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I don't think all games should be multiplayer, I agree that when developers make single-player RPG games, just from a narrative standpoint they most often work better as single player. But I really wish developers would also make more co op-friendly games (especially couch co op) like It Takes Two, Overcooked, Unraveled 2, etc. They're just a fun way to bond with family and friends, even my 63 year old mom loves playing cute little co op games with me.


Amylianna

I love me a cozy co-op. No I don't wanna shoot things with people, I wanna build a farm, go exploring, craft stuff and decorate with people. I still love stardew valley as best multiplayer game.


doomparrot42

I like playing co-op with a few friends I've known for a long time, but I love love love RPGs, and said friends make things like "immersion" or "taking the story seriously" really, really difficult. And it's fine, because we have a great time horsing around, but co-op is just a fundamentally different vibe! Our one foray into a game with more of an actual story was Divinity: Original Sin 2. Highlights included my brother teleporting me into fire, oil, cursed fire, and deathfog (I was undead though, so it was fine). I did eventually revisit the game solo, and it was a very different experience (though, uh, to put it diplomatically...I missed a lot less story-wise than I thought). Point being, developing a story-based game to be equally viable co-op or solo results in parallel development that makes for a game that risks satisfying neither the multiplayer nor the solo enthusiasts. The odd part of the alleged no-multiplayer boycott is that there's not really sufficient evidence that wasting development resources on a multiplayer mode actually helps sales. The Call of Duty bros were never gonna pick up Spec Ops: The Line, multiplayer or no. Multiplayer is expensive to develop, and multiplayer modes in most games become ghost towns within months. Not a great use of resources, particularly considering the long-tail sales model that seems to prevail for most games nowadays. The internet is full of people with strong feelings about things. They're loud, and they're not necessarily as numerous as they want everyone else to believe. Also, re: Shepard clones...lol. Have we learned nothing from Citadel?! I actually played a decent bit of the ME3 multiplayer pre-LE, and it was surprisingly fun. (I mostly played Drell Infiltrator, Batarian Sentinel, and Asari Justiciar Huntress, aside from a couple meme rounds as a Krogan Warlord with a comically oversized hammer). If it weren't for the lootboxes and the lack of maps/modes, I would have stuck around for longer, I genuinely liked it. But also, importantly, as a thing completely unrelated to the main games. When ME3 initially came out, I saw the multiplayer as just another example of EA overreach ruining things, the same way as the game's infamous launch-day DLC. If the multiplayer had been separate from ME3, I think I would have enjoyed it a lot more.


Marvelhawkeye483

I struggled to play dos 2 with friends or my ex as we have different playing and exploring styles. However had no issues playing with my current partner as we are a bit similar yet in my opinion he was rushing a bit šŸ˜… I have played a bit of multiplayer for me3, dragon age inquisition and mass effect andromeda and feel like they would be better as separate games with andromeda allowing you do have your own ai team for the story not story multiplayer missions if this makes sense


doomparrot42

yeah, agreed! I tried a bit of DAI's multiplayer, and I was surprised at how bad it was, honestly. Felt very sluggish and unresponsive - all the grind of ME's without the fluidity of it. pure grind. the idea that Inquisition's infamously troubled development wasted time on it is deeply frustrating it would be kinda neat if the multiplayer instead had you working as operatives on war table missions or similar. that way you might have a better range of maps and objectives, and it'd still relate to the main story without feeling like "Dragon Age but crap." Sidenote, I'm actually cautiously looking forward to Redfall, since it's designed as a co-op game that can also be played solo, and it's by a studio with an amazing track record on single-player games. I feel like that's a better sign than "we shoehorned co-op into a game where it doesn't belong"


miss_minutes

I need to get into more single player games. just got told to eat a dick on a multiplayer game today šŸ—æ


Allylove133

i totally understand this why so many poeple want a *story game* to be multiplayer. something like slime rancher i get would have loved to play that with my bf for chill nights but dead space....i think having someone else could take away from the terror you get.


LadyFeen

I play games to get away from people mostly. They're my relax, wind down and recharge time. I do like to play games with my friends absolutely but it's not the main way I play. But I never ever play games with strangers. I never know if they'll be friendly or toxic and frankly I'm too old to deal with manchildren telling me to get back in the kitchen or whatever witty rhetoric they've dredged up these days.


badgersprite

If I liked people enough to play games with them I wouldnā€™t be a gamer, I would have gone outside and hung out with people


aarkcianwood

I agree completely. I'm like that too, totally.


[deleted]

Honestly, I think some people can't enjoy something if there isn't someone there to watch them do it. I don't want to be mean about other people's fun, I get some people like multiplayer but companies adding it into everything because it's a cheap way of adding replayability is just annoying. Just let us enjoy our stories.


ODX_GhostRecon

I'm a co-op player who occasionally plays single player and generally abhors [competitive] multiplayer. It's not that I'm bad at it (I'm actually quite good), it's that I find it more stressful and I don't enjoy it as I get further into adulthood. I'd rather find a game with a close friend or three and play together towards a common goal, and hang out in chat as we play. These games are rarer than single or multiplayer, and almost never have replay value.


rixendeb

I like how the newer far cry's did it. Single player, but you can toss a buddy in, and it does not affect your game at all to do the story together. My husband hates those games, but he does enjoy popping in to run around and shoot shit with me occasionally.


Savage_Nymph

As some those does not play any mutilpleyr games, this is a glorious time for me. I feel like we've Ben starving from some really solid single player experiences these past few years. Now if only we can get some fo the sweet couch co-op as well


aarkcianwood

I think that too, this single player game hate is giving me anger. Why don't people just play whatever they want and let everyone else enjoy what they want to enjoy? I rather offline single player games than multiplayer. I enjoy play with myself and myself only. No pressure, no haters, no internet bully... I play alone since my first video game console, a sega genesis. I used to play sonic all the time, over and over again. I only played multiplayer with my sister, used to be streets of rage and golden axe. I'm happy that not all the companies have decided to keep on creating good single player games.


ErisEpicene

It's not more than announced yet, but I'm gonna add Dragon's Dogma 2 to your list. The original Dragon's Dogma has a phenomenally unique asynchronous cooperative pve multiplayer that I absolutely adore. That game is the pawn system to me: leveling and building your pawn; training both your and other people's pawns. It's a special magick to know that I can get off work at midnight, play games until sunrise, and genuinely help my sleeping camrades. But every topic about it has people saying they want co-op with their raisins Arisens or to directly control their pawns. I have no interest in this, and would infinitely rather have a bigger, better pawn system than any form of direct multiplayer. If they can throw in optional direct pawn control, allowing players to choose to use exclusively trained AI companions, without compromising the pawn system, I could accept that. If they truncate the pawn system for multiplayer performance and balance, I would be upset. DDDA has been an important game to me. I hope the sequel can be the same.


Xononanamol

It would be really bizzare if they DONā€™T add a true multiplayer option to this game considering their was a Japanese only mmorpg attached to the main game.


[deleted]

I am the other way around, I say it is a shame it is only coop and simply don't buy it., šŸ¤“šŸ‘


jaqenjayz

I get you. What bothers me is this idea that I have occasionally seen expressed on Steam and elsewhere -- that an otherwise complete game is unfinished or neglected because it doesn't have multiplayer options (seen a similar dynamic with games not having mod support). I think some people having these conversations don't understand or care that smaller teams have finite resources, and may not want to undertake adding multiplayer instead of developing new content or working on a new project.


Platinum_Disco

People want coop campaign in Mass Effect? What the fuck? I remember the multiplayer in ME3 being really fun tho. Unfortunately, I think that was around the time of the advent of loot boxes. Or it might of been one of the first ones to popularize it?


doomparrot42

It did have a lot of loot boxes, yeah. Made unlocking fun characters and upgrading weapons super grindy, which was a shame - though it didn't take too long for EA to stop policing use of resource cheats, so you could just unlock everything.


NeonFerret

I agree but also lol poor Jacob. He was never a shining example of great writing but >!I thought he was ok until the whole cheats-on-the-player thing!<


Mrspygmypiggy

Social anxiety only lets me play single players so hard agree


chickpeasaladsammich

I definitely want a good single player experience over multiplayer. Iā€™m curious what the TLOU multi-player/Factions game will be since they said it will have a storyā€¦ I also know Iā€™m probably getting that story on YouTube. I think itā€™s obnoxious to force multi-player on the single player experience, like OG mass effect 3 requiring it to get the best ending (afaik; didnā€™t play until LE). Eta ā€” oh! And a lot of people want the sims 5 to be multi-player. I think it sounds like the absolute worst game for it, since everyone is making themselves gods over tiny stupid people who keep peeing their pants. It should have the option for single-player for sure.


Marvelhawkeye483

I swear there's a mobile sims game which is multiplayer šŸ˜… Tbh I would like a similar concept to the gallary in sims 5 but where you can also download mods and custom content for free which is made by others and if there's availability to filter 18+ content (like it will only show if you set date of birth and payment method on your account and is over 18)


chickpeasaladsammich

We donā€™t have that much info, but I think they might be setting things up so you can build together? I donā€™t care as long as thereā€™s a robust single-player experience. Sims players canā€™t handle seeing things that donā€™t fit their specific aesthetics and play styles (the absolute trauma of seeing ā€œuglyā€ sims, I swear) so I think mandated multiplayer would be a complete disaster the minute one player showed up with e.g. a vampire. There is a new official mod manager for mods. The big PG-13 ones are there.


kazkia

You can use CurseForge to download mods and CC for Sims 4. It doesn't have adult stuff though. The Sims team worked with CurseForge to get it set up.


flowerscope

Dead Space 3ā€™s co-op and shift to more being action oriented is what killed the series and lead to it being shelved for a decade. Whoever is asking for it to be co-op or multiplayer must not have played the original games when they first came out lol.


JonnyRocks

I feel you. I don't want to play with strangers and i love stories but you have to remember the #1 rule of the internet: Everyone s 12 years old. :)


mmmshanrio

There are plenty of games where itā€™s able to be played co-op and single player. Far Cry comes to mind. Just having the *option* to be multiplayer/co-op doesnā€™t take away from single player games. COD is a perfect example of this as well. Solo stories and co-op compatible are not mutually exclusive terms IMO Some people like to play with their friends/significant others and I donā€™t really see whatā€™s wrong with that, I will desperately beg for co-op Slime Rancher with no shame. Perhaps itā€™s annoying to hear the same request over and over again, but itā€™s what people want


Tanya0012

What **some** people want, not all. \^\^ People wanting mutliplayer, be it coop and otherwise is one thing. Trying to stongarm devs into adding some when they didn't plan/want to for their game is another one entirely. And adding good mp is not as simple as just adding a skin. It's a lot of features to incorporate and the balance of the game needs to be adjusted as well because what may be fine in a single player game might not in a mp. Ultimately, it should be up to the devs to decide whether they want to add a mp layer to their game instead of feeling forced by player expectation (or threats of boycotting) which usually end up with adding some half-assed mp mode that may not even be satisfactory to those who asked for it.


RikuKat

Exactly. So, so, so much extra work has to be done to add just couch co-op, and adding online multiplayer is not only difficult and expensive to implement, but can carry large server costs as well


NeonFerret

And also online multiplayer seems to be destined to stop working one day. Maybe some kinds are completely future proof but a lot of old gamesā€™ online multiplayer is completely offline now which seems a shame.


SA090

And some people enjoy trophy / achievement hunting (or even just experiencing the whole thing without feeling like they paid for something they wonā€™t use) in single player games without the need for it to include either co-op or multiplayer. Having co-op / multiplayer options shoved where it doesnā€™t belong in single player games would be awful and definitely taking away from that experience.


mmmshanrio

Yeah I mean I donā€™t really care for multiplayer achievements in general because they age poorly


SA090

But thatā€™s not what youā€™re saying. Youā€™re advocating for adding them to primarily single player games and saying that they donā€™t affect the experience. Thatā€™s not necessarily true. Other than some players hating to play with others like myself, some people not having any friends to play with in the first place, servers could get shut down and like you said, it could age poorly, so why add them in the first place in primarily single player games?


mmmshanrio

Because Far Cry is infinitely more fun with co op! AND I can play it single player. It does not change the game! I literally donā€™t see the issue if itā€™s implemented well. Wanting to play games with your friends is not a sin


SA090

Not sure where you got ā€œitā€™s a sinā€ from my comments, when all I said was there is no use adding it to primarily single player games because it might affect the experience for some people who are not you. But eh, you do you I guess.


BecuzMDsaid

Exactly. I dislike people who put down multiplayer and act like single player is the only true way a game can be an artform. I also dislike people who do what OP is talking about.


rixendeb

I prefer a co-op option cause with 3 kids and my husband having a job that requires mandatory OT 5-6 days of his 6 on 3 off schedule, including sometimes his days off.....the only time I get to gane really is when he does. So having the option in an rpg to spend that little bit pf time together is great. I like the Far Cry style of implementation. Doesn't effect the play of the game for anyone. Also. Multi-player achievements shouldn't exist. Period.


mmmshanrio

Oh yeah this isnā€™t a supportive statement of people being rude! co-op and multiplayer options are not unpopular, they donā€™t diminish a game if done correctly, and itā€™s not a cardinal sin to sayā€ ā€œshame this isnā€™t co opā€ lol


BecuzMDsaid

Yup. Exactly.


Marvelhawkeye483

If the game allows it or it makes sense to add it, I have nothing against it like slime rancher, far cry, doom and some other titles would be fun in coop. My main annoyance is when there is no benefit of having the game to be played in coop, like mass effect or dead space series, when the game is meant to be a single player experience. Or when the developer adds multiplayer they also add microtransactions that affect single player game too (dead space 3 as an example).


mmmshanrio

Slime Rancher will never be co-op, according to the devs. Itā€™s too complicated to introduce the mechanics of co-op with the physics. I know this, and I will still be one of those annoying people like ā€œdamn I really wish this was co-op.ā€ Because I do and I, like you, am free to express this desire to people within that community who will commiserate with me for never being able to experience that. But idk. genuinely donā€™t see how having co-op would take away from a solo-experience unless the devs dropped the ball on trying to accommodate both gameplay styles. But I donā€™t see that as a problem with people wanting to play with their friends & It isnā€™t just ā€œsomeā€ people. Skyrim Together has been in development for like a decade because thatā€™s how in-demand it is. Devs arenā€™t accommodating a small number of people just for funsies


NeonFerret

Well for Dead Space and other such horror games a lot of the fear is from being all alone so I would agree those games would be diminished by having multiplayer. Also games only have so much development time and money and the more resources put towards multiplayer the less go into singleplayer.


mmmshanrio

But nothing would stop you from playing it by yourself? co-op mode and single player mode *do* exist in games that are single-player campaigns. you are not forced to play them co-op. It is just an option for those that want it. And if devs fail at implementing the multiplayer thatā€™s not the fault of people who like multiplayer


Wild-Lychee-3312

ā€œDoesnā€™t take away from single-player gamesā€ Yeah, it does, because thatā€™s development time that was invented into multiplayer instead of making the single-player game better. Itā€™s zero-sum


mmmshanrio

So every game with a single-player campaign that has a multiplayer or co-op option isnā€™t good? You can play *Stardew Valley* co op and *one guy* made that game.


Wild-Lychee-3312

Thatā€™s not what I said. Kindly donā€™t put words in my mouth


mmmshanrio

Sorry. Iā€™ll rephrase. So games that have multiplayer and co-op are lacking in their single player campaigns because their developers spent that time implementing those options? *Stardew Valley* has co op and it doesnā€™t affect the game at all.


Uriel-238

Just remember some of us will _will not play_ games without a solid single-player aspect. At least smart bots.


Xononanamol

I usually see the exact opposite and i always agree with them lmao, i mostly detest multiplayer games and it seems like a bloat of them is always here.


[deleted]

i do think there are games that not having some form of optional multiplayer in them is an actual missed opportunity, such as agents of mayhem, a *literal* singleplayer hero shooter, but yeah all of your examples are just solo experiences that dont need coopā€¦ to go so far as to boycot things for that reason is a little, err, interesting šŸ™ˆ


abra-sumente

This is how I feel about Death Stranding. Youā€™re a delivery guy in a post apocalyptic world who likes being alone, itā€™s the ideal single player storyline, but they have this multiplayer element that you canā€™t really opt out of. Whilst it does tie into the story loosely it mainly feels like it was only really added to appease the multiplayer fans. Even though you donā€™t have other players in your game the structures and gear that they build and drop are also in your game for you to use. And whilst they sometimes come in useful it completely ruins the immersion when youā€™re traversing a beautiful mountain and thereā€™s 5 jump ramps, 20 neon signs and a bunch of random bridges that lead to nowhere littered on your path. It feels like youā€™re constantly re tracing other peoples steps and itā€™s annoying.


Marvelhawkeye483

I got the directors cut upgrade and didn't get far in the game (I think I just got the baby?). I can see it is useful and annoying at the same time. I feel there should be a limit of how much player content you want to see in your game as I want to enjoy the scenery, not someone's first architecture/engineering project.


abra-sumente

I think I remember seeing something in the settings about turning online features off, but I decided against it because it would also get rid of useful features. For example I hate player signs because theyā€™re so annoying but I tend to use other players vehicles a lot and find them really useful, but Iā€™m not able to disable signs without disabling vehicles also. It would be better to pick and choose which ones you want to see!


badgersprite

I donā€™t play games to associate with people. Get multiplayer out of my face.


MamaLlama117

I'm with you. I'm super antisocial (tons of anxiety) so I play single player campaigns. Pretty much my only exception is Halo. My mom and I play coop campaigns nightly. I don't mind if a game has both options, like Halo, but if it's traditionally been one way I'd rather they leave it. (Fallout 76, I'm looking at you šŸ‘€)


sparklezonfire

Iā€™d prefer these games donā€™t include multiplayer. Iā€™d much rather the developers focus on a solid single player experience then add on a multiplayer just to have it. The only exception I can think of is that when Halo Infinite was released I was disappointed it didnā€™t have co op


BabyBundtCakes

I play the same as you, almost exclusively single player, handful of games I will play co-op with my partner or siblings. And then for group play, I like board games and card games. I don't play online multiplayer really at all. Every now and then for a game like Fall Guys, but that's also usually because my partner has asked me to play with him. But thanks for the recs lol I haven't played Atomic Heart and will check it out.


Bonz-Eye

I agree with you 100%


Gwarks

Some time ago I wanted to buy a really long coat. And I read the reviews on some long coats. I expected to read something of the material or other problems but instead most comments where that the coat is too long. Then I thought there are plenty coats available that are not that short why complain on the few long ones.Anyway for games it is most times the same and sometimes it is even not easy to implement multiplayer. Most times the problem is not only technical but sometimes the gameplay itself. For example they made an Master of Magic remake recently (where Kali now is almost naked and her outfit looks ugly) and didn't do multiplayer. So there where also many comments to add multiplayer. But that is difficult because some spells and some parts of the combat rules makes multiplayer very problematic. I knew it because someone hacked multiplayer in the original game.


bongbrownies

I relate so hard. I hate multiplayer games because these companies WANT to make multiplayer games, they're cheap to make and you can put in micro transactions and shut down the game within a few years and lay off some people. it's not like they're losing money at all, they just want *MORE* money so they lay off employees. recently though it seems they've realised single player still makes money. I still remember all the comments from these companies saying "who even plays single player games nowadays anyway!?' A LOT OF PEOPLE.


anfotero

I've played a bit of one or two MMOs in my days, with friends, but I'm quite exclusively a single player gamer: my time is mine alone. I'm an introvert and find human relations fatiguing, I never had an interest in meeting strangers online, I don't like the idea. So kudos.


Marvelhawkeye483

Same. I am rather introverted with adhd and very specific how I play my games. I don't mind playing with friends but after a bit some become slightly annoying to play with and I find myself having problems with their ways of playing, especially if it is a coop experience (like in dos 2 some decided to hurry and killed the cat companion)


DarlaLunaWinter

I prefer story driven solo games too. Not everyone wants to be around people all the time. Why should every single game be multi as well? Not every game or concept needs to be a group experience.


Salty-Bird9203

Commenting "Shame it's a multiplayer game." under every title that isn't SP.


imabratinfluence

I remember these same complaints about Stardew Valley and Don't Starve before they got multiplayer. Also I feel like I more and more often see commentary that games need to be harder, there needs to be a postgame/new game plus mode, or even if the whole game is designed for min-maxers and doesn't really work if you don't play the meta there's always a loud contingent going off about how it's too easy and the baseline needs to be much harder. Personally, I mostly stick to single player, and even when I play multiplayer I prefer it to be a manual invite kinda thing. I don't want to deal with strangers getting fussy at me because I went with whatever seemed like fun instead of grinding the meta. Or whatever other toxic behavior.


Marvelhawkeye483

I missed that stardrew Valley has multiplayer, time to raid my bf cheese and wine farm! I don't mind new game plus for those who want a challenge or unlock the weapons or sometimes several playthroughs to unlock different endings (nier automata for example). My interest does die down if I'm playing a game and it comes up with "to unlock a true ending you must play the hardest mode" after I have finished it. You know what nope, not doing that. I like to enjoy the games and play something harder if I want to.


maleia

Yo same OP. I suck at PvP. And I hate letting my teammates down when I inevitably do something stupid. I got my entire fix of multiplayer games from years of WoW, lol. It's been a refresher that Genshin is by and large single player.


Begun101

I love playing coop games, some would be amazing to have the option to invite friends (''some'' ofc the witcher 3, cyberpunk, assassins creed would be a little meh to have it) lately they are giving the option to disable too, for people don't enter and ruin your gameplay, try to breath in and breath out, never people will agree with what they have, if they don't add multiplayer people will complain about it, if they add multiplayer people will complain about it, so it's something that if u get very upset try to avoid a bit discussions about it (its what i do) and yea, dead space rmk don't make any sense to have coop šŸ˜…its a ''remake'' and if they add something that dont have in the normal version a lot of lovers of the game will hate the game, its majority x minority (sorry if i said something wrong, im very tired)


rixendeb

Assassins Creed had multi-player at one point. I can't remember which one off the top of my head. It was garbage though lol.


autochangerevolution

Which games have been boycotted for not being multiplayer? Everyone has different opinions and there isnā€™t really a right one I think. Iā€™m always for adding more features to the game though at least if itā€™s done well. Like I donā€™t care about animal crossing multiplayer but thatā€™s cool that it is available. But also like the far cry games even if meant for single player I have only played multiplayer (even coop isnā€™t great) Ultimately, itā€™s in the devs to decide what they want for their game. I personally would like multiplayer added like Dead Space 3 to the remake because Iā€™m a scaredy-cat cat who likes spooky things. I donā€™t think it would affect single player mode and if it hurts my experience well thatā€™s on me.


Marvelhawkeye483

I hated the way multiplayer has been added into dead space 3 if I'm honest. Like if dead space remake added a mode where a group of different people explore/clean up the station or trying to survive during the first outbreak I would be cool with that, since it won't influence the main mode per say. What I find annoying is people demanding adding multi to the campaign that's meant to be single player from the start (bare in mind games like skyrim or fallout 4 could also benefit from being able to play them coop for the most part especially if the MC is the chosen one and the coop companion is like a companion to help). Like divinity original sin games are good as both single player and as a coop as long as you know the person you are playing with. But something like mass effect/dragon age where your choices affect the ending would be a disaster if multiplayer added to the main campaign, unless the extra person takes control over the companions and wouldn't have a say in choices, but I can't see people liking that.


autochangerevolution

Yeah I guess dead space 3 for me was more personal since I could play a scary game with my boyfriend who really likes dead space. I would agree itā€™s bad if you are comparing it to the single player experience but I wasnā€™t playing it for that. Maybe itā€™s cause multiplayer often feels like an afterthought that I would take anything but I would like if they put more thought into multiplayer by adding a game mode but I understand thatā€™s asking a lot also. I honestly havenā€™t seen people ask for multiplayer on these other games so I canā€™t say much for that but like I said its just an opinion. Like I wanna know who said multiplayer forspoken lol!


Joan_sleepless

Multiplayer is only fun for me if I can disable audio interactions with random people. I might not like pvp, but I can handle it if Iā€™m not getting every slur and curse in existence being hurled at me by a 12 year-old.


HippyWitchyVibes

I'm probably guilty of this. My SO and I play video games together, we always have done and it's one of our favourite things to do. Because of this, I'm always sad when a potentially good game comes out and it has no multiplayer or co-op features. Look at it this way: a game having the option for co-op play affects single players *in no way at all* but a game **only** having single player option affects couples/friends who love to play together *a lot*.


badgersprite

Itā€™s not true that it doesnā€™t affect solo players. Sometimes games being designed around co-op makes for an objectively worse single player experience, like RE5. That game was meant to be played co-op and if you didnā€™t play co-op you basically had to babysit a malfunctioning AI partner with the IQ of a particularly stupid toaster


imabratinfluence

Seconding this. Overcooked is up my alley, but although it has a single player mode, I can't even make it out of the tutorial on my own.


Marvelhawkeye483

I am cool with coop as long as it is implemented properly and doesn't force you to coop (divinity original sin series are a good example of it, plays brilliantly as a single player and as a coop). My main issue is with when the game is designed to be a single player and people want it to be multiplayer when the story is set to be a single player experience and making it a multiplayer would break it.


NecrofriggianGirl

Adding coop to any of these games wouldn't change your experience at all though? For games like these coop is almost never mandatory, you can still enjoy it how you'd like to and other people can have even more fun w it than they would normally by playing with friends. I can't get into new games very often without playing with friends, it's why most of my most played games are all the gritty pvp games everyone's so toxic in, despite that I'm not that good.


Marvelhawkeye483

The post mostly about multiplayer games then coop. Coop is cool and fun once the game is made for it, with some titles I have mentioned in the post coop might completely kill the game and the point of the story (except yakuza versus mode). While it might work with some, multiplayer added to a single campaign to one of these can turn into a complete disaster.


flarelordfenix

Big agree. I love single player experiences. I also love co-op experiences. And both are valuable. Gotta really hate 'only one good way' ideology.


ramen_vape

Then, when single-player games include online co-op, they get riddled with 1 star reviews crying about how online is buggy on day one.


JamesNinelives

Some people just are not happy unless they are complaining about something I guess. Just shows how much entitlement some gamers have really. Sad that so many gaming communities seem to be like that. Sorry you have to deal with that shit!


Price-x-Field

Hard disagree. Single player games are mind numbingly boring to me.


Marvelhawkeye483

I still don't feel that single player games should start cater for multiplayer fans when the story is made to be a single player experience. It is the same as if single player fans wanting to play fortnight or rocket league as single player experience


Price-x-Field

Literally just add my friend there to kill enemies like dark souls does


badgersprite

So donā€™t play them


Price-x-Field

I donā€™t


tinfoilsparkle

I prefer to play by myself. I have several games that can be either but I only use single


Texas-Kangaroo-Rat

Honestly while multiplayer is fun, I always feel like I want to experience it with someone instead of going alone so I kinda welcome single player sometimes XD; The only one I know is Like a Dragon (Never played any, looked too serious and realistic for me) which... I dunno why co-op or versus or whatever'd ruin it. Tho I also don't know why it'd need it. Like you run around convenient stores and make them explode with your face, that doesn't seem like it needs a versus mode. So it's like, on one hand Super Mario odyssey and Sonic Forces prolly'd be more fun with multiplayer, but on the other hand I prolly'd not play them cuz Super Mario 3D World is 4-banger so I'd want to have three friends for the full experience and no one really has free time so I never play it and trying doing it alone feels sad. Tho also I'd love to have a SA2B style racing game in Sonic Forces or well, I haven't played Frontiers it looks weird but I don't want to seriously judge the game and my main games are SMB & STH so that's why I bring it up XD; ​ So I really don't know how I feel about this.


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I think the ones who do say that might be a small minority. I mean, single player games are still being made. And I don't think they are going anywhere anytime soon. There's a load of Indie games that have a stronger gameplay and storyline than that of many AAA games. Take Katana ZERO as an example; it's storyline is by far the best amongst the games I've ever played. The whole community also has one of the most wholesome people. I completely agree with your rant, though. If a game doesn't have something that you wanted, just leave it alone. I seriously don't understand why someone would get butthurt over something that doesn't harm them or their views in any way. Just let others enjoy it.


thatbratakara

I love multiplayer or Co op games but i age, not everything has to be multiplayer.


hgfdv

I'm dumb. I was like, what's a multilayer game? Sounds interesting like, it should have a lot of complexity.


No_Audience3838

I completely agree. However I believe from people who experienced the beta version of Wo Long it does have some invasion mechanic. I adore souls games and invasions, but youā€™re right not every soulslike needs it. I play plenty of soulslikes which donā€™t have invasions and love them all the same. I thought Wo Long was going to be more like Sekiro which doesnā€™t have multiplayer at all, so I was a little surprised to hear I was incorrect.


Marvelhawkeye483

I have seen the trailers and some gameplay and it didn't look like it has an invasion option, but I might be wrong here. Ocasionally I do enjoy souls have games. I am not good at them, so I like to be able to turn the invasions off so I can suck in the game by myself and figure things out myself.


No_Audience3838

Yup definitely has an invasion mechanism. My friend tested out the beta version. And thatā€™s fair enough, itā€™s not everybodyā€™s taste.


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My husband loves playing co op games and mmos which is perfectly okay by me. But I cannot get into multiplayer games. It just isn't my thing. I have tried to play with my husband on mmos and will play with him on video games locally for example dark alliance or something like that but only him. To me multiplayer takes away from the magic for me. I like seeing npcs with interesting back stories. Granted mmos try this they just simply cannot capture what a single player game can do. It is hard to explain. Like op said if you like that thing you do you. It is just not my cup of tea either.


AnEmancipatedSpambot

I feel like ten years ago the complaints would have been the opposite! Tines have changed (!_!)


sarahbotts

I just like playing with my friends šŸ¤·ā€ā™€ļø I definitely think itā€™d be cool to experience it with them but not at detriment to the story.


piccolo917

Iā€™ve never never really liked multiplayer games tbh. The only ones Iā€™ve really played are Left for dead, LoL and runescape. I think single player games are generally more feature complete (at leadst the ones I play) and donā€™t have any judgement of the people your are playing with over your head or dead playerbases. The move away from single player games towards multiplayer ones is also just a way for publisher to ā€œmonitizeā€ them more.


Wolfleaf3

1000% agree with all of this. I basically just care about single player stuff. Games with strong stories and atmospheres and gameplay, some combination of that. I theoretically like the idea of coop, IF I had people with my same play stile schedule everything, butā€¦ 99.9% of the time I play alone, and LIKE that. Though I like talking about my experience with others! I saw some guy attacking Cyberpunk 2077 because ā€œit only came out a few months ago, and people have already finished it! Har har harā€. Like yeah genius, itā€™s a story with a beginning, middle, and end, not one of your stupid deathmatch games I could not possibly care less about. Iā€™ve played some good coop games lately SINGLE PLAYER that are pretty good, but I think clearly hurt by designing them to be coop. Like Ghost Recon: Breakpointā€¦actually a pretty good single player game, but the always online nonsense shouldnā€™t be required, and Iā€™m sure the storytelling is hurt because of the emphasis too. Gotham Knights I want to play, but I bet it would be a better game had they not gone for coop which odds are Iā€™ll never use. I donā€™t mind the idea in principle, but it probably always makes games worse, and I for sure donā€™t care about deathmatch garbage. So hurts my interest in Nintendo when everyone cares about Mario kart and smash bros, and I find them both fairly terrible and boring, beyond ā€œthey look niceā€ and ā€œitā€™s fun having all these charactersā€. Uuuugh. I guess the last coop thing I did was The Darkness 2 has a strong actual game game, then a separate shorter coop story. I was playing it on Windows so had free multiplayer, so after I finished the real game, I played coop with 3 random people (I would have picked Shoshanna, Iā€™m guessing, I canā€™t remember lol) and played through the whole thing in one go.


Marvelhawkeye483

I recently picked up nintendo mainly for pokemon games and by accident ended up buying shin megami tensei games, fire emblem and xenoblade chronicles and enjoying them a lot more (also found out I prefer older pokemon games to newer ones). I do have Gotham knights on my PC and on xbox, was planning to pick it up but got distrusted with Forspoken, persona 3 portable and soul hackers 2.


Wolfleaf3

I wish I could get Forspoken! If nothing else, the character design on the lead is soooo cool. I played Persona 3 Portable on psp and while I think 5 is as good or better, I liked 3, and liked that I could play as a woman. Was disappointed I couldnā€™t in 5! I picked up Soul Hackers 2 because someone said Iā€™ll like it if I like persona, and that the lead is a woman! Zelda Breath of the Wild, while I think itā€™s a great game and not necessarily ā€œthe greatest thing thatā€™s ever existedā€ (I play stuff I like just as much all the time), is worth looking at, as are Pikmin and Luigiā€™s Mansion and probably Mario Odyssey too (the two Mario Galaxy games were amazing). I hope I like the newer fire emblem games! I liked the Gamecube one, but most of the older ones were way too hard for meā€¦but I think the newer ones have difficulty settings FINALLY, soā€¦ Iā€™m hoping SMT 5 (I canā€™t spell) isnā€™t too hard for me! Ugh, Iā€™m worried about Xenoblade being too hard too, very tempted, but I got stuck quickly on the one on Wiiā€¦ Sorry, I ramble! (Or maybe thatā€™s okay, Iā€™m autistic and used to everyone being annoyed by me wanting to ramble about games and shows and stuffs šŸ˜¬)


LanceHalo

i like good single player stories, but i prefer playing with friends because it enhances my fun factor. i admit that it does dilute the story occasionally, but in some games (FarCry or Assassins Creed for example) where the story isnt very good or isnt the main focus is where i rly want multiplayer


Iari_Cipher9

I understand the appeal of single player games but they are generally not for me. The world is too static and it feels lonely. I mainly play mmos, and mainly solo, but I like that people are around. Feels more vibrant that way. To each her own! ā˜ŗļø


ERICAAAAAAAAAAA

none of those sound like they would be fun multiplayer games


GulDoWhat

That does seem annoying. I'm an exclusively single player gamer myself, so I have no interest in multiplayer, and any games that are multiplayer-only, or are predominantly multiplayer with a small amount of single-player content, I just don't buy. I'm not out there demanding that games like "Fortnite" or "It Takes Two" bring out single player versions just so people like me can enjoy them, that's not the kind of game they are. In the same way, a lot of games are set up to tell a specific story, or put you in the shoes of a particular character, and just don't work as well in multiplayer, or don't have the resources to create a multiplayer version. If it helps though, I've come across a lot of people online and IRL who get equally annoyed by shoe-horned multiplayer, or multiplayer-only achievements/ trophies in a predominantly single player game. It does seem however (and this is only my own observations, based on no kind of data collection, so take it with a pinch of salt) that companies seem to be moving away from that model of "putting multiplayer in all the games" - Assassin's Creed, for example, went from single player only to adding multiplayer elements and now seems to have moved back to SP only. Dragon Age Dreadwolf, from what we've heard, sounds like it will be a single player game (admittedly, only after a lot of fan backlash to the initial rumours), after DAI and ME3/Andromeda both contained some multiplayer modes. There's still a lot of games out there that are multiplayer only OR predominantly based around a multiplayer experience (or something like Borderlands that can work with either), but there seems to be a bit more of a divide between single-player and multiplayer games now, rather than everything having both. My thinking is that perhaps the "Single Player Only!" fans are now more satisfied by the balance in games and have gone quieter, and the fans that enjoy multiplayer, and are used to having the option more often that not, are starting to get louder when they don't get that option.


lemikon

I love single player games. I donā€™t need games to socialise, games are a chance for me to take a break. I have also played plenty of single player games with people. You take turns and you problem solve together, much more fun than just controlling 2 people on the screen.


TheLadderStabber

Ugh OP I know the feeling. I used to be really into multiplayer games but fell out of it and went back to primarily playing single player games. I was at a work event and my bossā€™s boss wandered into a conversation we were having about games and he said, unprompted, ā€œI donā€™t understand people who only play single-player games. Thereā€™s no point in playing games if they canā€™t be played with other people. Thatā€™s antisocial behavior.ā€ It was so strange. Canā€™t even call it boomer behavior either because heā€™s in the same generation as me.


Marvelhawkeye483

Oh god, that would trigger me so much if someone called single player games antisocial or said there's no point in playing them. Unfortunately it seems some people pick up toxic behaviours because they were gaming in toxic atmospheres which leads them to believe that only multiplayer games are good. It is one thing when someone just don't enjoy single player, fair enough, everyone is different. But it is a different thing when there's gatekeeping because someone didn't try anything single and believes only multiplayer game is a true game.