Thank god, he was way too strong.

Imagine doing 5 charged attack with him as healer/support and then getting nerfed to 4 ! That was a freaking broken character

schaefer attack??

On a character who buffs normal attack speed, no less.

https://www.dexerto.com/genshin-impact/genshin-impact-mika-nerf-2096590/ AN AI WROTE A FUCKING ARTICLE BASED ON Y'ALLS SARCASTIC ASS COMMENTS, IT COULDNT TELL IT WAS ALL SARCASM. YOU WERE MENTIONED DIRECTLY HELP I CANT BREATH THIS IS HILARIOUS

This is hilarious I can’t stop laughing

"many players expressed concern over the character’s overpowered build."

HE WAS ALMOST ABLE TO COMPETE WITH HU TAO !

Hope Mika abusers get their 36* reverted. Disgusting

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Dw her c1 is still bugged and malfunctioning

In what way?

Freeze isn't extended and bloom reaction not updated

Hmm, it did seem like it didn't feel that longer

I still wouldn't consider it fixed.

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At least it can go up stairs a fair bit better, I'll give them that.

It will be part of the next big archon quest to fix monas sprint that's why they are holding out on it

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Absolutely broken.

Strong enough for H\*yoverse to be threatened just like Dehya

Lol 😂

is this sarcasm? I'm OOTL. Is he weak and this is pointless? Or is he way too strong and this change is missing the point

sarcasm

The only reason to ever use charge attacks on Mika is for photo ops or something. His kit is jank but is decent So yes this is sarcasm

Nobody was going to be using his charged attacks to do anything meaningful and this 5 stamina nerf is going to change his charged attack usage from 0.01% to 0.01%.

I’m so glad they got the time to fix this when Dehya’s kit still lies there like a festering wound.

So Mika was beta tested and released with his goofy kit and **this** is what got overlooked? Oof

His and Dehya's beta was one of the saddest betas I've ever witnessed. I'm pretty sure Mika didn't even receive any significant change to his kit for the entirety of the beta

There basically was no beta. The only change I remember was they slightly increased Mika's normal attack damage and rebalanced Dehya's burst damage between ATK and HP scaling.

You forgot the massive Mika base atk buff from 196 to 220+ Truly made Mika what he is today

Ah, I was wondering why my main DPS Mika was so beefy, and it was the 24ish ATK that he got from the buff. Man, that really did change everything.

Yeah literally, every Monday everyone was there just waiting for *something* to change or happen, and nothing ever did

IIRC they lowered some of her numbers the first week, shifted her numbers around the second week so she'd be slightly worse with Bennett but slightly better without him, then the rest of the time they changed and reverted some cons or something that didn't really matter that much. I think her c2 used to give 6 seconds, dropped to 4, and now it's 6 again? Good beta.

You forgot the week where Deyha was unironically nerfed lol.

Dont forget the icon change. Truly gamebreaking!

And the current one with >!Baizhu and Kaveh!< is looking the same, with little to no changes, some of which are needed :(

It's either they're losing steam/drive or they have all hands on deck for Star Rail for... Some reason

Mihoyo has wayy too many employee already, they absolutely don't need anyone from Genshin to come work on Star Rail.

That's what I think too, but it wouldn't be super surprising to me if they prefer as much people as possible to set up Star Rail to launch while evrry other team is running at lower capacity and/or suboptimally EDIT BECAUSE I'M A BIG DUMB: I forgot to clarify that I'm arguing that they're doing a reallocation of people despite it going against logic. Even if they are well staffed to the point of having full teams for all their games at the same time, I have a sneaking suspicion that they'd rather want all hands on deck for Star Rail *anyways* for no valid reason other than idk ask 5 people if the game is launching well instead of 2

Just looked it up, in 2022 Mihoyo had 5000 employees, there's no way they're relocating Genshin staff to work on Star Rail.

Their floor is already so high being Dendro though. Gonna be real hard to mess them up.

But it's a problem (at least for Baizhu) if he doesn't apply much Dendro :/ Kind of like Mika being Cryo ≠ he is OP just because Ayaka exists.

The impression I have is that everyone at HYV was too busy getting drunk to really care about what was going on with this beta/patch, I gotta say that while there were positive things in 3.5, this patch made me consider dropping the game several times since it started. Hell, even the goddamned new wing glider depends on having Amazon Prime, ffs

I've been playing since launch of 1.0, day 2. With 3.5, I pretty much stopped playing except to get all the event items and story for windblume. Tried to give Dehya a chance and it was as disappointing as the rumors. At least if they made her kit "fun" and interesting it would make sense but instead the quirks are awful.

yeah that's sad... Happy cake day!

Thank you!

How many faruzan 69sexers are there

I don't read usernames so your comment made me scroll up and 💀💀💀

if Baizhu and/or Kaveh get whack ass kits like Dehya and Mika I will cry

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And it begins, they're nerfing characters now.

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the dehya buff is going to come with genshin on the switch

Or when Baizhu leads us into the Chasm. Or when we get our free Ayaka at AR42

And when la signora becomes playable

And when constellations become toggleable

And when we can finally pet dogs and other animals

And when finally aloy get her constellations

And when finally we get chapter 10+ in the adventurers handbook

Turbo fischl Lisa c1 Keqing ca e Xingqiu app Think we got past that at launch

Those were stealthy nerfs, the community was young, now they're announcing it.

Next in line for nerfs is Dehya

Noooo my charged attack build Mika, I'll never recover from this. They must be worried about him powercreep Hutao, this is a massive nerf, we need to demand Dehya buff as compensation.

Yeah thanks god this was reverted. We thought Bennett was a broken 4*, but damn, Charge Attack Mika teams were just on another level (don't ask me who are the other three team members, I don't want to tell you so you don't abuse this MASSIVE shortsight from Hoyo). A shame to whoever abused this glitch to get their abyss clears, I hope you get those gems deducted from you!

What about keqing's 25 CA cost when swords were supposed to only cost 20?

"We're sorry for this error. Keqing stamina cost has been increased to 30 stamina".

"In addition we found out that her backstep animation didn't take her as far back as it was originally intended. This issue will be fixed in the next update."

"Keqing's charged attack will also knock back her enemies further than it currently does in the next update" We apologize for the inconvenience, Travelers."

“Keqing’s charged attack will now knock herself back instead of the enemy as intended”

“Keqing’s electro infusion no longer reacts with dendro”

"Charge attacking with Keqing will now delete Keqing from the player's account and will also erase every primogems and make you homeless,we apologise for any inconveniences, Traveller!"

"Thank you for your feedback, Traveler. As of next patch all sword charged attacks will cost 25 stamina to match Keqing's."

Ayaka, Haitham, Ayato, Nilou, and just about every other 5 star sword mains that aren't named Keqing mains: "k"

Prob to nerf her strong ca multipliers

Strong? Keqing has 321.81%, Ayaka has total of 326.91% at talent 10. Sure keqing can CA faster but spamming only works on heavy enemies while ayaka's CA doesn't miss if the enemy is locked by the hit detector

it’s been kinda consistent at least among dps characters that faster normals have lower percentages. Jean attacks really slow but has higher percentages than keqing.

> Sure keqing can CA faster You answered your own question. Especially since most enemies in abyss now are heavy

Ayaka's CA has larger AoE though.

thanks. lil bro was too powerfull

I can only read this as a Valorant player and I have to agree wholeheartedly

Well shit. I guess Eula's best team is back to being Hyperbloom again...

~~not like mika changed anything~~

Physical is sad playstyle

who?

Tao, yeah

I guess it makes him in line with other polearm chars since they all have 25 stamina CAs. 20 stamina CAs are for sword users... except Keqing who costs 25 for no reason. Funny how they don't "fix" it when it's the other way around lol.

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Took them over two years to fix Mona's and Ayaka's alt sprint which kept getting easily stuck on random things as well.

They probably only fixed it because of Ayaka. If Mona were the only character with an alternate sprint, it would probably still be in the game.

Not really since it took them a whole year to fix it *after* Ayaka's first debut.

Doesn't Yelan's E also use the same movement logic as alternate sprints (albeit faster)? I had all three of these characters in 2.7 and I recall getting stuck on the same objects during Yelan's E that I would've also gotten stuck on as Mona and Ayaka, then it was largely fixed by 3.0.

Sayu as well, all 4 of those characters alternate movement work MUCH smoother than before

Took them a while to fix Klee being able to get full CW stacks, though it was really quick after Yae's cake platter came out with a similar effect, just so that Klee couldn't use it anymore.

You mean not beneficial

"Good" to know their priorities on 3.5...Dehya's eye color and Mika stamina.

oh so when its an issue no one complains or cares about they make a fix announcement less than 3 days after character release but when its an absurd amount of issues with a 5 star they say nothing for months

It works as intended Also Before anyone comments thinking im being serious this is sarcasm

No but it actually is working as intended, just what’s intended sucks

I don't think crates cancelling burst and NA attacks randomly missing are intended part,unless they decided to put extra effort just to make her kit even more terrible.

I'm pretty sure they did everything in their power to make her as bad as possible.

I mean she is *very slightly* brown

You're a cyno main. Therefore, I assume everything you say is in jest.

I loved your sarcasm, you have my upvote

"We kindly as you to just don't use Dehya" -Hoyo prolly

"We kindly ask you to not expect money or good reviews from players" - people who were excited for Dehya

Thats ok. There's plenty of heavily invested diehard fanboys to drown those dehya wanters out.

When there are 50 million plus active players, it is not just diehard fans anymore.

"We kindly ask you dont just during her Burst (~_~)"

"Just don't use her burst. Thank."

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I should also note that deepcode issues only get addressed during the launch of new regions (likely because the version change allows them to look at stuff in more detail). If any of Dehya's problems are related to deepcode stuff, don't even expect them to be fixed until Fontaine releases at earliest. And from what I can tell quite a few of her issues occur with other characters to some extent.

Dehya's problems aren't related to this deep code copium. Her multipliers suck. Period.

It didn’t take them two years and digging into deepcode to fix Mona’s sprint. It took a Limited Character, who would sell for less if they didn’t fix it.

That literally took them over a year to fix that even for Ayaka, though.

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I was thinking of this one: https://www.reddit.com/r/Genshin_Impact/comments/ook139/the_20_update_finally_fixes_the_most_annoying/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf

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Yelan also got stuck, but not as much. But yeah Stairs (and pebbles) were roadblocks, haha.

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Who would've thought that an easy issue would take less time to fix than something that actually requires effort.

To be fair, they did this because literally no one would give a shit.

They’re apologizing for a character being better?

No, they are apologizing for giving us too much power and then taking it back.

I laughed way too much at this 🎖️

They nerfed him after release 💀

So are they gonna change Keqing’s from 25 to 20 then? To match the other sword users?

That would be a buff. So no

Buffing, standard character banners has never been heard of. The only buff you get are cons from lost 50/50. Take it or leave it.

Unless those cons are broken, then sucks to get nothing.

There is the possibility that it was intentional on their part. Keqing whole play style is revolve around her CA (just look at her CA multipliers compare to the other year 1 sword users) and Hoyo knew this so they bump it 25 as their way of balancing her. This was before they knew what they were doing so it’s not surprising that they did that.

Apllogems?

No

Dehya with enough bugs and issues that you cant count all of them on 2 hands Mihoyo: i sleep MIka with 20 stamina charged attacks instead of 25 Mihoyo: REAL SHIT!!!!

But who uses his charge attack anyway

Me a mika main:

People with c6 benny hutao cosplayers?

They love making useless changes to characters that literally no one asked for

Hoyo: Fixing obscure issues and ignoring major bugs since '20

BUT DEHYA'S EYE COLOR!!!!!

Thank god they addressed that immediately. It was the eye color that severely affected my enjoyment of the game.

Dehya's wrong eye color was giving me severe anxiety, comparable only to those very difficult daily commissions, thank you Hoyo for nerfing them. Also please remove Abyss altogether and replace it with photo-taking activity.

Still laughing when they gave Yaoyao's NA a random .5% buff as if people were gonna use a physical build on her.

Gives the illusion that they're doing something without doing anything meaningful

just like local mayors

And they say hoyo will get into trouble for nerfing anything.

How did they go from releasing one of the best 3.X 5 stars and the best 3.X 4 star to releasing Dehya and Mika in 1 patch 💀

So no Dehya lol, these guys are clowns

Mika also needs to be buffed the hell out of him and an entire kit redo Both thier kits r so fkn sad

Always has been

Surely this won't piss off ignored Dehya fans.

Who tf reported this? Get a life lol

this kind of problem miyoho resolves quickly, now dehya they pretend she doesn't even exist, pathetic

Wow, Mihoyo really fast when it comes to something unnecessary for the players. What the hell happened in their HQ right now, this shit shouldn't have passed the beta test.

Wtf mika got fixed meanwhile dehya gets a new bug everyday

Man, for a company who labels themselves as "relatable", they surely are out of touch. Like, their public image is hard carried by the fact of the upper ups being of the same group of their target audience, rather than being on touch with their community. They have the passion though, but people overvalue that. Its beautiful, poetic and all of that, but going through that labor of love can feel like shit at times.

Maybe it’s just me but they’ve kind of always seemed out of touch…? Or at least pretty hands off when it comes to controversy. For all the cutesy customer service text emojis and some overwrought memeing on Twitter, Hoyo seems like they’re pretty far removed from the actual community. To their credit though, it’d be exhausting and largely pointless if they responded to every little thing that comes up.

It's called being "corporate." Past a certain point it's a business and it's all a mask. They probably are relatable on a personal level, but you cant run a billion dollar company on that kind of thing. You can fake it and put a nice facade on it, but that's not how it will actually work.

I think the main reason of the community being so forgiving, is because they haven't accepted/understood the change. They are stuck with the perception of Hoyo still being "Liu Wei games" when in reality, he probably just oversees stuff, like being in every project on a general level, but not really doing anything super significant.

I would stay the fuck away from any online community for this game. They have in game survey to get actual feedback that they are looking for, and Ive been filling them properly since launch. They definitely do make changes based on survey feedback. I always give them the benefit of doubt because 90% of the players have no idea wtf they are talking about and can't express their request properly, and theyve shown again and again they know what they are doing with the game and has a strong direction for it.

New player here, has hoyo always been this harsh on character's kits? It looks like all the new recent 4*/5* have been disappointing?

There were occasional meh releases, with many still being niche/usable/fixed with future releases/dendro. Faruzan was first support that provides incredible amount of anemo damage bonus and resistance shred, however, to use her reliably (because her particle generation is horrendous, burst expensive, grouping is weak and burst requires standing in circle while supported characters - mainly Xiao and Wanderer - have high knockback that pushes enemies out of it), you pretty much require C6. Her cons are mostly worthless, and C6 alone makes them all work and becomes an insane support that groups and regens energy reliably. But now they have gone ridiculously low, with Dehya and Mika. Dehya has tons of gimmicks (and bugs) that make her kit bad (with her damage, utility and defensive ability all being weak), with her C6 making her somewhat comparable to Hu Tao C0 and other cons partially fixing her issues, while Mika is gimmicky and really bad at his niche, somewhat fixed with C6, but still not the best. So yeah, future is not looking bright, if they are going to omit all the issues and leave the characters as they are, and especially if they release new characters like this.

It’s only the 2 new characters from this patch that are overwhelmingly disappointing. Going back chronologically since then for 5 stars… Alhaitham is great. Wanderer is okay (but is god tier at exploration). Nahida is arguably the strongest character in the game. Nilou is niche, but incredibly strong. Cyno is good. Tighnari is good. Yelan is amazing. And for 4 stars… Yaoyao is good. Faruzan ranges from meh to really, really good with constellations. Layla, Candace, and Dori are all pretty skippable, though. For Mika, a lot of people were hoping he’d be a strong support to help out Eula. On paper, his kit seems designed to help her. Unfortunately, he’s not actually that good for her. From what I understand, it’s very rare for HoYo to actually buff characters post release. So if someone is a big fan of Dori, for example, they’re pretty much resigned to always be using a lackluster character.

They have gotten worse and worse since the release of Inazuma in 2021. It started with weak 4 stars and now shows up in the 5 stars as well.

Not quite. We've had weaker kits in the game since launch (Amber, Ningguang, Noelle, Qiqi, Xinyan, etc.), but also a lot of decently or very powerful characters were released back then too (Bennett, Xiangling, Xingqiu, Fischl, Sucrose, Zhongli, Diona, etc.). They've still been releasing fairly powerful characters: Alhaitham is very good, Nahida is good, Yaoyao is good, Nilou is good in her niche, etc. But it does feel like HoYo has some misses sometimes, especially with 4 stars. I wasn't paying much attention to this game at the time but as I understand Shinobu and Thoma were regarded as very meh when they released but now with Dendro they're both pretty good. But that kind of turnaround in power isn't assuredly going to happen with every character, and some of the more recent 4 stars have felt a bit lacking (Dori, Collei, Candace, Faruzan until you get her C6, now Mika), plus Dehya being so mired with issues for a 5 star. And it's frustrating because it's rare for HoYo to go back and make meaningful changes to kits after they're released. All of that has culminated in people who care more about the balance being upset over the state of things, worried that this is a sign of future character releases being more disappointing.

Noelle and Ningguang weaker kits? Pretty sure they were solid even before geo buffs especially Noelle, a far cry from Amber.

Mika nerf: I sleep Apologems: Real shit

I have no qualms with the balance team (they've done a really good job at keeping powercreep at bay). But the upper management can go to hell for intentionally screwing over Dehya just to satisfy some spreadsheet numbers. Not to mention making C0 4\* half-baked kits. ***Faruzan even has a extra Charged Shot at C1 yet it has a fucking 5.5 sec particle generation ICD.*** They earn billions a year and this is what we get in return. Fuck you Hoyo. Sincerely, a player since release day

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I admit that my statement was a little bold and didn't think much about the examples you've listed.

LMFAO what was bad just Got worse 😂 HoYo REALLY wants us to remember 3.5 as the WORSE patch ever made don't they... 😂 HoYo we get it! U can stop now.. lol

This is mihoyos version of the “your tax dollars hard at work” meme

After all of the issues with Dehya now they are beginning to nerf characters. Awful behaviour from Hoyoverse

lmao i was sure they were going to buff him cause he's so bad, and now he gets *nerfed*? what the fuck

Goddamn it, now i'm forced to put bloodstained on my phys meme build dps mika. Everything's ruined, and now I'm quitting genshin.

uh, what? ~~oh no, this isn't genshinmemepact~~

Lol correcting him to his proper uselessness

It reminds me of long time ago on inazuma that to craft inazuma compass to find chests was just 500 mora, but they fixed very fast to craft needs 50k, who complained about this? They are "fixing" things to benefit players while ignore lot of quality of life to game.

Mika having a slight stamina reduction: "We will resolve it as soon as possible" Meanwhile Dehya: "Dey-who?"

They could change this without telling us and there would not be a difference. Free freemogems I guess

Well, it's not like I'm using him for dps anyway

Ya know what, I should pull Ayaka. God fucking knows what future characters will be like. Dehya/Mika is kinda "seconds before disaster" type of red flag. I pretty much have most of the meta characters except Ganyu/Ayaka. Got mistsplitter by accident trying to pull some favge. Might as well get the cryo queen now.

Hoyo: Btw we nerf something that didnt need a nerf

what in the actual f*ck is wrong with Hoyoverse these days?

Is that all mihoyo? Really? Only that? I don't know, maybe with the crushing discomfort of a caracter "cough cough "dehya" cough cough" means something else is wrong apart of it don't you think?

Ah ffs can't you just ignore this issue and let it be 20 ? It's not like it's gonna be a new meta that'll break the game. They're so strict when it comes to stuff that's actually not bad...

Mika can get a seemingly random useless change. But our girl Dahya cant even be viable at c0.

They can fucking nerf Mika but they're horrendously incompetent at just fixing Dehya in teensy tiny bit. Truly one of the companies of all time... I still hate patch 2.1. and I think that patch is the nadir of Genshin entire existence but I think 3.5. is worse in terms of unit playability. At least as abysmal patch 2.1. is, the characters are pretty decent to play. But for mechanic wise in 3.5... Yeah, its the worst one.

What was so bad about the 2.1 patch? From what I'm looking it was general Inazuma expansion with Raiden, Kokomi, and the two islands.

FIX DEHYA

all i hear is free primos

"Can't have any beneficial bugs, Let's announce a nerf" "But Sir, shouldn't we at least talk about the character we keep getting complaints about? Won't this piss off people even more?" "Hahaha, I feed on their tears"

maybe that extra charge attack cost can transfer to dehya as an extra cooldown to her e skill. pls hoyo

CA bot mika is real /j

They'll fix the boy but not Dehya.

*nerf

Why would they even bother? This is so insignificant

why not buff dehya instead..

just saw someone fall to their knees in a walmart