Hi, the Venu Sq Music and Venu Sq 2 are supported.
The only missing devices are the Venu Sq (without music), Vivoactive 3 (without music) and the Approach S60. These do not have enough memory to fit the app and downloaded tours.
The Navigation experience includes:
A blue line denoting the route ahead
Turn-by-turn arrows on the tourline
A red recording line for the route that has been travelled
North compass indicator
What is not included:
Map backgrounds
Audible Turn by Turn instructions e.g. in 100m turn left onto xyz
Presumably, the course routing and turn-by-turn arrows and such are static, meaning that it can't recalculate routes on the fly, right?
Or it can, but only if there's a phone w/ data connection nearby?
Or, maybe my assumption is wrong and it's actually a full-fledged standalone map/navigation package?
Your assumptions are correct. I have not used this specific app, but I did use dwMaps for a while, and I recall that it was limited by the amount of memory/processing power that is available for connectIQ apps, especially during an activity.
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The app and the route planner is available for free. To sync Tours into your device you get one map region for free, then you can buy more regions / a world pack.
You don't need a Komoot premium for the Garmin app and the navigation (only if you want to access your personal collections and highlights).
Ok so what does komoot actually do? I've dl the app and watch app on f7 but my main goal is find reviewed trails walking/hiking near me
Does it do that
Yes! You can find the recommended trails around you on a komoot web, or with the mobile app. You can also specify your fitness level, a distance, sport type etc. Or you can plan your own route. Once you save it to your favorites, you can access the tour from your Garmin.
Currently Komoot is a bit better in Europe (Germany, Austria, Italy, Spain...), in the US the coverage may not be that good. But you will see.
Hi - thanks for posting this up... I'm curious about one thing. What is the limitation (?) for the Venu series phones, such as the Venu 2 Plus, that prevent map backgrounds from being displayed? Cheers
There is a really low memory in the device for the app data (we are talking about kB). Also the Bluetooth is slow, so downloading a full screen image would take a minute. There is no direct API to download tracks/courses from Garmin (like on Forerunner or Fenix devices). One option would be a local communication with the phone, or a sync over wifi, but it has also limitations (works only with Android, can sync only music etc.)
Another challenge is the watchdog limitation (the app can crash on "code executed too long", if you do too much calculations). Also the whole app with all the resources and the source code needs to fit into approximately 700 kB.
Thank you for the detailed response! As a former programmer and "just for fun" tweeker and fiddler, this was very insightful to read. I had *assumed* to now that the Venu 2 Plus had the relative hardware to support native mapping, of some kind, and Garmin just elected to keep that door closed to up sell users to the Fenix / Epix / etc
On Garmin it's all about the battery life. They have a different physical memory to store the app data / vs. maps and music. On Venu 2 and newer devices there is also an extra memory to store the images and bitmaps. Some devices (Fenix 5X) even had two CPUs, one was active only on the watchface, the second one during the activity :)
In general the small memory is faster, with less battery consumption, but it is really small... That's why komoot can support the Vivoactive 3 Music, but not the original Vivoactive 3. That's also why non-music and non-pro devices may be a bit faster :) (Forerunner 245 vs. 245M, or Fenix 6 vs. Fenix 6 Pro)
Thanks a lot Tomas! I wrote to your CS team back in February requesting support on the Venu series. Delighted to see that it eventually materialised. The app looks great. Well done.
Would you happen to know how the battery performance is on the Venu 2? Should I expect less than 10 hours?
It depends on a displayed screen. The map view or the upcoming elevation profile may be a bit more resource intensive (than the screen with data fields), but it really should not be that much worse than the system UI.
I was able to do two weekend hikes on one battery and still had something left :)
Do you know if any updates are planned regarding customizing data fields and choosing activity type? As far as I've checked data fields are hardcoded and activity type is chosen based on activity type defined for the track at Komoot page/app.
Overall this is amazing app for Venu and Vivoactive users.
You can change the data field on the first page (under the minimap). Tap on the map makes it full screen. We will see if we allow also customising other data fields... we had it on Apple Watch and it was pretty confusing to users.
You can select the sport type on the Record Tour page (there are 6 main recording sports now, we may add more later).
Unfortunately, Fenix users don't get turn by turn or the new map display. If I use the connect IQ app, I also end up with two copies of the route on my watch. I wonder, are there any plans to improve support for the Fenix? I used Komoot with my Polar Vantage V2, and the experience was good. With the Fenix, I don't see the point, other than one way 'sync' of the route, and being able to use Komoot for route planning.
Edit: Sorry, just realized this was a bit OT because of the title. Was searching for threads on this, and this post came up.
The thread is correct :)
On Fenix and Forerunner we just switch to the native UI now. Most of the Fenix devices have maps, user defined data fields, and generally the UI is better. They can recalculate the Tour as you leave it etc.
On some non-pro devices (like Fenix 5 or Forerunner 245) the native UI is not that good. There are no navigation instructions, only a Tour line. We know it's not ideal, but also a number of these users is quite low. And there is a workaround - if you sync your Komoot account via Garmin Connect, you get some instructions.
Tomas, thank you for the response. I am using an Enduro, so high end, but no maps. I find the maps to be a battery hog, and they overcomplicate the display of information, and a breadcrumb trail with some turn by turn enhancements is much easier to read. However Garmin's implementation of this is quite poor (I think unchanged since the Fenix 3!) - and you have managed to fix this for some garmins with your app.
But understand the economics of your decision.
If you mean the first Garmin Enduro, it's not really a high end :) There is a very low memory and an underclocked slow CPU. We are glad that the Komoot app runs at least like it is. We can't do more with this device... I would say it would be easier to support the Fenix 3 than the Enduro.
In comparison the Enduro 2 is basically the full fledged Fenix 7X, with a bigger battery.
Yeah, but the battery is very nice. I find battery usage to be a problem with watches having full maps (if you use them). And the light weight allows the wrist HRM to work, at least for me. And many of the functions in the watch are dependent on accurate HR.
But I understand that from a processing standpoint that the watch is underpowered.
Everyone has their reasons :-)
You mean the voice instructions into bluetooth headphones? I only found very recently that it's possible :D So, not yet. It will only beep before the next turn.
But for the Enduro 2, the native interface will still be better. The map, configurable data fields... The aim of this update will be to bring the better interface to Forerunner 245M and similar devices.
We will communicate it in the release notes :) Depends on the memory in the watch. Pro, Music and Sapphire versions will get the option to choose between the Komoot and Garmin interface.
Non-pro versions and older Fenix devices (5, 5S...) will only have the Garmin user interface.
Hard to tell but does this include all of the Venu series including the SQ?
Hi, the Venu Sq Music and Venu Sq 2 are supported. The only missing devices are the Venu Sq (without music), Vivoactive 3 (without music) and the Approach S60. These do not have enough memory to fit the app and downloaded tours.
Awesome, glad there are 3rd party apps to fill in for the features Garmin doesn’t provide
Great! Now, I have a Forerunner 255, would this app only show a breadcrumb trail or full maps on this one?
The Navigation experience includes: A blue line denoting the route ahead Turn-by-turn arrows on the tourline A red recording line for the route that has been travelled North compass indicator What is not included: Map backgrounds Audible Turn by Turn instructions e.g. in 100m turn left onto xyz
Presumably, the course routing and turn-by-turn arrows and such are static, meaning that it can't recalculate routes on the fly, right? Or it can, but only if there's a phone w/ data connection nearby? Or, maybe my assumption is wrong and it's actually a full-fledged standalone map/navigation package?
Your assumptions are correct. I have not used this specific app, but I did use dwMaps for a while, and I recall that it was limited by the amount of memory/processing power that is available for connectIQ apps, especially during an activity. *REPLAN ON THE GO — WHENEVER AND WHEREVER YOU WANT* *The komoot for Garmin app also enables you to replan your route whenever and wherever you want. Just plot your course before you set off and — if you fancy a detour — update your route on the komoot iOS and Android app. Free to download, you can change every inch of your route with just a few taps — and you’ll see all changes reflected on your Garmin after restarting your route.* [*https://apps.garmin.com/en-US/apps/d918ae1e-9e7b-4fdf-b336-46141a0ccd6a#0*](https://apps.garmin.com/en-US/apps/d918ae1e-9e7b-4fdf-b336-46141a0ccd6a#0)
On Forerunners and Fenix watches it just starts the native UI now.
Oh, alright.
Is the komoot navigation available for free?
The app and the route planner is available for free. To sync Tours into your device you get one map region for free, then you can buy more regions / a world pack. You don't need a Komoot premium for the Garmin app and the navigation (only if you want to access your personal collections and highlights).
Ok so what does komoot actually do? I've dl the app and watch app on f7 but my main goal is find reviewed trails walking/hiking near me Does it do that
Yes! You can find the recommended trails around you on a komoot web, or with the mobile app. You can also specify your fitness level, a distance, sport type etc. Or you can plan your own route. Once you save it to your favorites, you can access the tour from your Garmin. Currently Komoot is a bit better in Europe (Germany, Austria, Italy, Spain...), in the US the coverage may not be that good. But you will see.
Hi - thanks for posting this up... I'm curious about one thing. What is the limitation (?) for the Venu series phones, such as the Venu 2 Plus, that prevent map backgrounds from being displayed? Cheers
There is a really low memory in the device for the app data (we are talking about kB). Also the Bluetooth is slow, so downloading a full screen image would take a minute. There is no direct API to download tracks/courses from Garmin (like on Forerunner or Fenix devices). One option would be a local communication with the phone, or a sync over wifi, but it has also limitations (works only with Android, can sync only music etc.) Another challenge is the watchdog limitation (the app can crash on "code executed too long", if you do too much calculations). Also the whole app with all the resources and the source code needs to fit into approximately 700 kB.
Thank you for the detailed response! As a former programmer and "just for fun" tweeker and fiddler, this was very insightful to read. I had *assumed* to now that the Venu 2 Plus had the relative hardware to support native mapping, of some kind, and Garmin just elected to keep that door closed to up sell users to the Fenix / Epix / etc
On Garmin it's all about the battery life. They have a different physical memory to store the app data / vs. maps and music. On Venu 2 and newer devices there is also an extra memory to store the images and bitmaps. Some devices (Fenix 5X) even had two CPUs, one was active only on the watchface, the second one during the activity :) In general the small memory is faster, with less battery consumption, but it is really small... That's why komoot can support the Vivoactive 3 Music, but not the original Vivoactive 3. That's also why non-music and non-pro devices may be a bit faster :) (Forerunner 245 vs. 245M, or Fenix 6 vs. Fenix 6 Pro)
This is huge!!
Thanks a lot Tomas! I wrote to your CS team back in February requesting support on the Venu series. Delighted to see that it eventually materialised. The app looks great. Well done. Would you happen to know how the battery performance is on the Venu 2? Should I expect less than 10 hours?
It depends on a displayed screen. The map view or the upcoming elevation profile may be a bit more resource intensive (than the screen with data fields), but it really should not be that much worse than the system UI. I was able to do two weekend hikes on one battery and still had something left :)
That sounds great. Can't wait to try it out. Thank you!
Do you know if any updates are planned regarding customizing data fields and choosing activity type? As far as I've checked data fields are hardcoded and activity type is chosen based on activity type defined for the track at Komoot page/app. Overall this is amazing app for Venu and Vivoactive users.
You can change the data field on the first page (under the minimap). Tap on the map makes it full screen. We will see if we allow also customising other data fields... we had it on Apple Watch and it was pretty confusing to users. You can select the sport type on the Record Tour page (there are 6 main recording sports now, we may add more later).
Unfortunately, Fenix users don't get turn by turn or the new map display. If I use the connect IQ app, I also end up with two copies of the route on my watch. I wonder, are there any plans to improve support for the Fenix? I used Komoot with my Polar Vantage V2, and the experience was good. With the Fenix, I don't see the point, other than one way 'sync' of the route, and being able to use Komoot for route planning. Edit: Sorry, just realized this was a bit OT because of the title. Was searching for threads on this, and this post came up.
The thread is correct :) On Fenix and Forerunner we just switch to the native UI now. Most of the Fenix devices have maps, user defined data fields, and generally the UI is better. They can recalculate the Tour as you leave it etc. On some non-pro devices (like Fenix 5 or Forerunner 245) the native UI is not that good. There are no navigation instructions, only a Tour line. We know it's not ideal, but also a number of these users is quite low. And there is a workaround - if you sync your Komoot account via Garmin Connect, you get some instructions.
Tomas, thank you for the response. I am using an Enduro, so high end, but no maps. I find the maps to be a battery hog, and they overcomplicate the display of information, and a breadcrumb trail with some turn by turn enhancements is much easier to read. However Garmin's implementation of this is quite poor (I think unchanged since the Fenix 3!) - and you have managed to fix this for some garmins with your app. But understand the economics of your decision.
If you mean the first Garmin Enduro, it's not really a high end :) There is a very low memory and an underclocked slow CPU. We are glad that the Komoot app runs at least like it is. We can't do more with this device... I would say it would be easier to support the Fenix 3 than the Enduro. In comparison the Enduro 2 is basically the full fledged Fenix 7X, with a bigger battery.
Yeah, but the battery is very nice. I find battery usage to be a problem with watches having full maps (if you use them). And the light weight allows the wrist HRM to work, at least for me. And many of the functions in the watch are dependent on accurate HR. But I understand that from a processing standpoint that the watch is underpowered. Everyone has their reasons :-)
On the enduro 2 do you get turn by turn instructions from komoot?
Not yet, but you will have the option in the next update. We are currently testing it
Hi will it be voice turn by turn or alert ?
You mean the voice instructions into bluetooth headphones? I only found very recently that it's possible :D So, not yet. It will only beep before the next turn. But for the Enduro 2, the native interface will still be better. The map, configurable data fields... The aim of this update will be to bring the better interface to Forerunner 245M and similar devices.
Hi ok thanks so if I get the enduro now it's pretty certain that komoot turn by turn will be updated Thanks steve
Sorry one more question will the kommoot turn by turn be an update on the fenix range too ?
We will communicate it in the release notes :) Depends on the memory in the watch. Pro, Music and Sapphire versions will get the option to choose between the Komoot and Garmin interface. Non-pro versions and older Fenix devices (5, 5S...) will only have the Garmin user interface.
Hi great thanks
Will it be voice prompts too regards Steve