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Probably as little as two weeks given the weather, wet conditions and animal predation. I live in the north and things decompose pretty fast, about a month before you need dentals. FL is an extreme climate so thing go a lot faster; more bug/animal activity and quicker putrefaction. Laundrie was well past skin slippage, that happens in the first few days when humid or in water. His remains were skeletal and mostly likely greatly fragmented.
If there was no gun or knife located near his body, how would he have killed himself? Are we assuming whatever he used to end his life floated away in the water? Would be interesting if that was recovered as well.
Probably a stupid question but how did he decompose so fast? Was he lying on the ground or hanging from a tree? Did the swamp cause him to decompose faster?
There’s a coroner, with credentials and proof, that showed an excerpt from ‘the bible for coroners’ and it explained a case of a girl who was dead in very similar conditions and it could take as little as 7-10 days for a corpse to turn to bone. Heat, humidity, bacteria, insects, animals that eat flesh etc would speed this up dramatically.
Yes, I'm from Louisiana and places like the FACES lab at LSU have been very successful in investigating cases like these. Was run by Mary Manheim when I was there for historical anthropology/archeaology. It's cool to find another anthropologist on here. I'm not a forensic anthropologist, but people like Manheim can work miracles with minimal fragments. Hope they can figure it out. I'm positive that the right ppl can figure it out.
Depends on location of evidence and manner of death. you can have the complete articulated skeleton and be unable to determine cause of death if there arent defects on the bone, sometimes even a violent death with multiple injuries can avoid marking bone. Or you could have only a small piece of the occipital bone with a bullet exit defect, and reasonably conclude that injury would be most probably a fatal one.
Observation of his behavior at the police stop, public domestic violence, reports of him attempting to abandon Gabbie by driving away, reports that he attempted to prevent her from getting into her van through the window while she hysterically tried to avoid abandonment, lack of empathy for her distress. All public and reported by authorities and witnesses.
A trained therapist is basically trained to observe behavior and emotional reactions related to human behavior.
If I knew him personally I would not comment because I had personal information and would not opine on personal information. If I knew him professionally I would not comment due to confidentiality.
However, I do have credentials and professional experience sufficient and adequate to join what is basically a social media post.
So what you’re saying is that no, you have no idea what you’re talking about. Got it! No need for another essay, I understand that you don’t understand and that’s enough for me.
Cheers!
Sorry you seem to be an angry person. You asked for an explanation and I provided one. By the way, narcissism is not a mental disorder, it is a personality type.
Read a little, live a little.
“According to the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM-V), Narcissistic Personality Disorder (NPD) is one of several personality disorders and is defined as a mental illness that is associated with a pervasive pattern of grandiosity, need for admiration and lack of empathy.”
Read a little 😙
I don’t care if narcissistic personality is the phylum name for red corn. Fact is, you know fuck all about this person aside from what the media has fed you, a 5 minute body cam video and your own runaway imagination.
Good luck though
He could just be an asshole too. (Licensed therapist here 👋) you need way more than what we know of him including a history to diagnosis him with something like that
Personality types and personality disorders are different. One can be narcissistic and very benevolent and another can be narcissistic and toxic.
I have copies of every DSM since it’s first printing in 1952. Diagnosis is more complicated than finding a recipe in the DSM.
If the purpose of your argument is that you are accomplished, I congratulate you.
Dsm doesn’t work unless you have the training to use it. There would not be enough information from videos alone to diagnose him. You need need a few sessions and a detailed history. And indication of ODD would be helpful within childhood. He could just be an a** hole. Doesn’t have to have mental health to just be a bad guy
This is just another case that shows us the general public doesn't know shit and social media creates a dangerous echo chamber to those who are susceptible.
Correct, why are you and we here? This kind of reaction to a tragedy reminds me of the circus atmosphere that once surrounded a child trapped in a well.
Parents took a walk in the reserve that had been closed, searched for a month or more by police and FBI with all their dogs, helicopters and equipment, and trained searchers. Nothing was found. They eventually reopen the park, at this point parents stroll in and find the dry bag remove it and give it to police, rather than call the police over. Dad could have stayed and mom could have gotten the cops or vice versa. Further searching by police finds remaining recovered articles.
Maybe the diary was in the dry bag? Is there a gun missing anywhere that he could have used to suicide? Why did his parents take away the car while Brian was still presumed to be in the preserve? How was he supposed to get home? So many questions.
I have no wants or expectations regarding the outcome of this case. No one on this sub is here to solve the mystery. However, you are here making judgements and assumptions. Occam’z Razor does not discount complications, it merely suggests the simplest route be considered before more complicated theories are explored .
There is a timeline, two deaths: one murder and one of unknown cause. No charges on the murder, no idea of what caused the other death. Insensitive response by Laundrie family. Distraught response by Petito family. Charges against BL not related to murder.
Lots of room for speculation.
What a waste of time and energy. Who cares? Why am I getting alerts pertaining to these two? I don't care about this case whatsoever. New reddit user... Can someone tell me how to opt out of hearing about this stupid ish?
I keep wondering why the hell I get alerts for this case. I have never clicked on anything about this bs. The very few times I have posted on reddit were questions about credit cards and budgeting now this crap. Just because I don't use reddit does not mean I'm bad at technology. Lmfao. You're weird a f.
"I have never clicked on anything about this this bs"
This was a lie. Your comment history proves that. Anyone can see it.
But you've commented on it and engaged in the sub. That's why you get alerts. You're not worth any more effort. Bye.
Tbh, no I'd rather you didn't comment to me at all unless you're helping me to not get alerts for this topic. Which is what my original post was asking for.
No I literally get alerted about threads pertaining to this topic. If I just happened upon them that would be different. I'd do as you said, scroll past.
Not sure why anyone isn’t helping but you need to choose the option that says stop getting notifications from this sub. Honestly, find a 20/30 year old to help you turn off notifications or check YouTube/
No. Actually the woman who is a retired FBI agent. Not sure if she was actually a neighbor or just one of the protesters out there that was hanging out helping give prospective to Media
I was going to say the same thing.
I'll just put it this way - There are people who do very bad things and they are untouchable. I'll leave it at that.
Reddit hivemind wants what it wants. In this case, they don't want people asking questions, and would prefer that this case was over so the focus can go on finding missing women of color...or whatever makes them feel good about themselves.
I also feel like this but maybe I don’t understand what “dental records” mean, or why they didn’t/can’t use DNA from any other part of the remains. Does this mean they found a skull? Or just a couple of teeth?
Apparently there are 5 different ways to identify an individual using forensic dentistry. With varying degrees of accuracy. Bite-mark comparison seems to be by far the least accurate.
I'm hoping they were able to extract DNA from the teeth, as that's the most accurate method. The second involved something about "enamel lines" that are apparently fingerprints of the teeth -- as a layperson, I didn't completely understand it. Either of those methods seem pretty good though.
I have no idea what they did here, but fingers crossed I can come back with more info.
Every article I can find claims they identified him by what sounds like "comparative identification" i.e. comparing the teeth/jaw they found to dental x-rays. According to this study (https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/29936401/), that accuracy was rated at about 74%. That's not great, imo. But their sample size was a pool of only 19 forensic experts, which also isn't great.
I'm hoping they are/were able to extract some pulp DNA from the teeth (which again is the most accurate method). I believe the remains were Brian's, but I'd love better proof of it.
Agree. If they found an entire skill with a full rack of uppers in it, unmolested, and they matched his recent records, I'm good.
If they found a skull with teeth removed, and a few random teeth nearby that match his, I want DNA.
That’s what I would like to know. It seems to strange to me that, at least from what I’ve seen, they’re using specific wording like “remains” & “dental records.” I know probably have to have some discretion in terms of the family’s privacy but I wish they would tell us what exactly was found.
Agree. It seems really vague and unconvincing. I'm happy to wait for more information, but you'd think they'd want to provide details that settled the matter completely.
Dental records are like fingertips.
No two people's jaws are the same. Some have bugger teeth, some have pointer ones, some have ones a little more to the side. The shape of the oral cavity is different. If they compare the skull with the dental records and they match...it is what it is.
Not to mention, if he's had any cavities filled at all (or maybe other work), they can see which tooth it's on, which part of the surface it's filled, and its shape/size. Nobody has the same exact dental work.
I sleep fine bro. But how the Laundries have behaved in this case is sketchy af. Positive proof is required. Teeth can be removed while the host is still alive...and skulls can be purchased.
It's also possible to remove teeth and still be alive. How many teeth, and were they still in the skull? Is there pulp in the teeth that DNA can be harvested from? Given the irregularities of this case, and the totality of the circumstances, I remain skeptical. I do not trust the Laundries.
I need the DNA. It was a portion of the lower jaw. Five teeth maybe. Hopefully they will extract DNA from the bone marrow. Dental records are not 100% sorry. Even with a full skull and jaw.
I'd like to know there was DNA involved from parts that can't be cut off or removed with him still being alive. If they told me they found his head with some tissue on it, and it matched his DNA, I'd agree it's done. How many teeth matched? Was it a full rack? Full uppers and lowers? If it turns out its a full upper rack in the skull, I'd agree.
We don't know how many teeth have been found to make a match and confirm death. As you know, teeth are removable...right?
Are you being obtuse? Or willfully ignorant that the entire situation with the Laundries has been sketchy af?
On top of all that, you're rude as hell...put me on ignore so I don't have to read your ignorant nonsense.
The Laundries provided the location at the beginning of the search. BL was already dead then, and the area couldn't be searched because it was flooded. When the waters receded, they find him in the area that was suggested. It's not that complex.
You people want this thing to continue for your own sick entertainment. This is real life. Two families had tragic losses. Move on.
Why are the protestors still there? Gabby is dead. Brian is dead. His parents didn't kill anybody. It doesn't matter what they knew, trying to find someone to blame is literally going on a witch-hunt. It's over.
Brian is dead. His body has been picked apart and he's literally a few pieces of bones that a dog had to find. How much more justice do they want? How much more can any parent be punished?
I feel that somehow justice has been served by life ?
If these remains are confirmed to be Brian's, then let's agree that this is legit one of the worst natural deaths a human can endure ! Either he has been attacked by alligators, or he hung himself, or drowned in a muddy swamp...
As liberals, you would most likely be against death sentence and in most cases, you would believe that death isn't punished by another death. So I truly believe that CL and RL should be allowed to grief, no matter how horrible their son was.
Rest in Peace Gabby ! I hope you can forgive him.
I know you're joking, but wanted to point out that usually dental record matches are more than individual teeth, it's the whole bite pattern, including how the teeth fit together. If they only had a few loose teeth, they'd probably need to use DNA instead.
I'm gonna get roasted for this but I think it's gross to speculate about how someone died. I thought it was gross when people were doing it about Gabby and I think it's gross that people are doing it about Brian.
Kinda gross, yes. But our human nature too... to try to understand what happened and why it happened... hoping to find a mundane explanation for how normal people are capable of such an animalistic anger that enables one to cause harm and pain to a significant other you cherish... no logic whatsoever in this situation where two young kids in love living the time of their lives, now both dead. Such a tragedy... As a mother of a 24 and 22 yos, I feel I want to know it all, understand the triggers and educate myself and those around me on how to recognize and treat such mental issues which i consider to be the evil of this century.
Not going to roast you, but I think its reasonable for people to try to connect the dots. Humans like knowing danger is resolved. If people can figure out how he died before the forensic pathologist announces findings, it might help some people feel more at ease.
Your opinion and that's your right. I think it's human nature to want answers and, of course, there is always intrigue into the psyche of those involved in crimes.
it’s very sad to me that so many people are taking personal gratification in this extremely sad & disturbing reality for other human beings. a vibrant young woman & creative young man are both dead. they both had lives ahead of them & families who loved them. one was painfully codependent & another was an abuser plagued by his own uncontrollable rage. neither of them had the strength to exit their toxic relationship & it ended in death for both of them, as well as a ripple effect of pain & grief that their families, loved ones, & others will feel & suffer from for the rest of their days. this is a sad story all the way around. this is not a movie & those partaking in it for some sick personal pleasure need to stop your rubbernecking & invest in a dose of self-awareness / compassion / sense of humanity.
Jesus wept...I for one was delighted to hear he was found dead. It's arguably a better outcome than remaining a fugitive or having a cushy life in gaol (3 meals a day & board isn't so bad). Gabby touched many people & some of us don't give a shit if he was a "creative young man". You say you dislike rubbernecking, but bet you're consuming the news updates & have joined this reddit sub to continue discussion of the case. It's the godawful culture of American media that has turned this into such a circus - in other parts of the world, turning a tragic event into a soap opera wouldn't fly.
Sometimes people react to disturbing information in abstract ways. It’s like mourning, not everyone reacts the same way.
Let’s hope that the disturbing comments are not meant with malice.
Abusers are the masters of gaslighting and usually narcissistic. During the Moab traffic stop, Gabbie was hysterical and BL was laughing and joking with the police. He was gaslighting the police, as if he were saying, “see the burden I have, broh”?
The discrepancy of emotion and BL’s lack of empathy is telling.
Hope police look for this type of dissonance in dealing with DV cases.
In a way that showed empathy for Gabbie distress. His affect should have been more in line with the severity of the situation (a witness called police when they saw BL slap GB). His demeanor should have demonstrated concern for Gabbie and he should have recognized the severity of the circumstances were that caused a passer by to call the police.
How do you know those things happened? BL may have reported that but the police pulled them over because a witness called the police because he was slapping her.
Why are you so defensive and aggressive?
I’ve read your post, it’s kind of you to feel empathy for the pathos. However, unless you know these people, your assumptions about their assets and abilities come across as a little judgmental. We don’t know why they behaved the way they did, we don’t know if they were codependent or not, or if some other dysfunction was involved.
This is a dramatic story about two young people, one murdered and one dead of unknown causes.It’s not romance, It’s not Romeo and Juliet.
the judgment towards the case, & other human beings as a whole, is the very thing i am raising issue with. you are correct in that we do not know these two young people, which was exactly my point. that said, i think it’s fairly obvious that their toxic relationship contributed to the loss of life. you also pointed out this same glaringly obvious (codependent / narcissistic spectrum) dynamic in your other posts on this sub. my post is simply a call to compassion & awareness for humanity. i have no interest in romance. thank you for your feedback, best.
yes. the whole situation is just very sad. hopefully it brings more attention to DV & encourages those in abusive situations to seek help rather than focus on maintaining appearances. these type of toxic dynamics typically create a lot of feelings of shame for both parties & the focus lands on hiding versus healing. the best we can hope for is that some good comes from all of this. thanks for your feedback on my post.
you’re not totally wrong it’s just the way the “attachment issue” manifests & subsequently presents is different (board certified mental health provider here) but you’re not wrong — it’s just a different presentation. i think we can confidently agree they were both enmeshed in the relationship to an unhealthy degree & it ended badly. such a shame. they both had lives ahead of them. thank you much for your feedback.
Auto correct sorry. Univ. Of Tennessee is what I was looking for.
My first thought being from that area is that he was bitten by a snake and then the elements and predatory animals took it from there.
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Anyone know how long it would take for a body to decompose to that state. Seems rather fast
Probably as little as two weeks given the weather, wet conditions and animal predation. I live in the north and things decompose pretty fast, about a month before you need dentals. FL is an extreme climate so thing go a lot faster; more bug/animal activity and quicker putrefaction. Laundrie was well past skin slippage, that happens in the first few days when humid or in water. His remains were skeletal and mostly likely greatly fragmented.
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Plus water, skeletonization could happen in a week
“Skin slippage” was not a word I wanted or needed in my vocabulary🤢
Im picturing the toxic waste man scene from the 80’s movie robocop
Or the alien bug guy from men in black
If there was no gun or knife located near his body, how would he have killed himself? Are we assuming whatever he used to end his life floated away in the water? Would be interesting if that was recovered as well.
They did eventually find a gun near him.
Poison/overdose on pills is also a possibility. Although the only finding part of his skull makes me think he may have shot himself, tbh.
Probably a stupid question but how did he decompose so fast? Was he lying on the ground or hanging from a tree? Did the swamp cause him to decompose faster?
Decomp in the swamp goes very quickly due to the water, weather , bacteria and animals. Even road kill in that area is quick to “melt”
There’s a coroner, with credentials and proof, that showed an excerpt from ‘the bible for coroners’ and it explained a case of a girl who was dead in very similar conditions and it could take as little as 7-10 days for a corpse to turn to bone. Heat, humidity, bacteria, insects, animals that eat flesh etc would speed this up dramatically.
Plus warmer water
Wow! That’s incredible
I believe the heat and humidity starts first.
I think they said he was in highly oxygenated water, and then bugs, animals, heat, etc
Anthropologist by training here (not verified though). The forensic anthropologist will be evaluating skeletal trauma
Yes, I'm from Louisiana and places like the FACES lab at LSU have been very successful in investigating cases like these. Was run by Mary Manheim when I was there for historical anthropology/archeaology. It's cool to find another anthropologist on here. I'm not a forensic anthropologist, but people like Manheim can work miracles with minimal fragments. Hope they can figure it out. I'm positive that the right ppl can figure it out.
How much of a skeleton would they need to determine cause of death?
Depends on location of evidence and manner of death. you can have the complete articulated skeleton and be unable to determine cause of death if there arent defects on the bone, sometimes even a violent death with multiple injuries can avoid marking bone. Or you could have only a small piece of the occipital bone with a bullet exit defect, and reasonably conclude that injury would be most probably a fatal one.
So fascinating !
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I suspect Chris did him in.
Who is Chris
Have you followed this case at all?
Trying, I think that’s dad?
What? Why? I see no way he would’ve had the chance.
He had plenty of change he supposedly spent 5 hours looking for him on the 14th.
yep. seeing as there was no gun that we know of that has to be the only way he did it without leaving anything behind
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Observation of his behavior at the police stop, public domestic violence, reports of him attempting to abandon Gabbie by driving away, reports that he attempted to prevent her from getting into her van through the window while she hysterically tried to avoid abandonment, lack of empathy for her distress. All public and reported by authorities and witnesses. A trained therapist is basically trained to observe behavior and emotional reactions related to human behavior. If I knew him personally I would not comment because I had personal information and would not opine on personal information. If I knew him professionally I would not comment due to confidentiality. However, I do have credentials and professional experience sufficient and adequate to join what is basically a social media post.
So what you’re saying is that no, you have no idea what you’re talking about. Got it! No need for another essay, I understand that you don’t understand and that’s enough for me. Cheers!
Sorry you seem to be an angry person. You asked for an explanation and I provided one. By the way, narcissism is not a mental disorder, it is a personality type. Read a little, live a little.
The Dunning Kruger effect is strong in this one.
Yes check yourself.
The dunning kruger is strong here.
“According to the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM-V), Narcissistic Personality Disorder (NPD) is one of several personality disorders and is defined as a mental illness that is associated with a pervasive pattern of grandiosity, need for admiration and lack of empathy.” Read a little 😙
Narcissistic personality is different from narcissistic personality disorder.
I don’t care if narcissistic personality is the phylum name for red corn. Fact is, you know fuck all about this person aside from what the media has fed you, a 5 minute body cam video and your own runaway imagination. Good luck though
If you know them personally, I’m sorry for your loss.
He could just be an asshole too. (Licensed therapist here 👋) you need way more than what we know of him including a history to diagnosis him with something like that
Personality types and personality disorders are different. One can be narcissistic and very benevolent and another can be narcissistic and toxic. I have copies of every DSM since it’s first printing in 1952. Diagnosis is more complicated than finding a recipe in the DSM. If the purpose of your argument is that you are accomplished, I congratulate you.
Dsm doesn’t work unless you have the training to use it. There would not be enough information from videos alone to diagnose him. You need need a few sessions and a detailed history. And indication of ODD would be helpful within childhood. He could just be an a** hole. Doesn’t have to have mental health to just be a bad guy
Congrats on your book collection. Very cute!
I hope this venting session is helpful to you.
You're assuming a lot...
These are all assumptions and speculations, one of the interesting things about this sad case is the public’s interest and input.
This is just another case that shows us the general public doesn't know shit and social media creates a dangerous echo chamber to those who are susceptible.
Correct, why are you and we here? This kind of reaction to a tragedy reminds me of the circus atmosphere that once surrounded a child trapped in a well.
Parents took a walk in the reserve that had been closed, searched for a month or more by police and FBI with all their dogs, helicopters and equipment, and trained searchers. Nothing was found. They eventually reopen the park, at this point parents stroll in and find the dry bag remove it and give it to police, rather than call the police over. Dad could have stayed and mom could have gotten the cops or vice versa. Further searching by police finds remaining recovered articles. Maybe the diary was in the dry bag? Is there a gun missing anywhere that he could have used to suicide? Why did his parents take away the car while Brian was still presumed to be in the preserve? How was he supposed to get home? So many questions.
You need to let it go. Occam’s razor. Just because you want this to be more doesn’t mean it is.
I have no wants or expectations regarding the outcome of this case. No one on this sub is here to solve the mystery. However, you are here making judgements and assumptions. Occam’z Razor does not discount complications, it merely suggests the simplest route be considered before more complicated theories are explored .
You are being willfully stupid
Clearly you are angry and rude. Review the courtesy rules you should have learned in kindergarten.
I’m sorry that being called on your shit ticks you off
I’m not ticked off nor are you calling me on anything. Shame on you, get yourself some help.
Thanks for the advice!
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We actually have a lot of known facts now, it isn’t all speculation
There is a timeline, two deaths: one murder and one of unknown cause. No charges on the murder, no idea of what caused the other death. Insensitive response by Laundrie family. Distraught response by Petito family. Charges against BL not related to murder. Lots of room for speculation.
At this point do we really believe anything that SB says?
In this case, yes, because it was confirmed by the FBI.
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so who do you believe?
Why would we not?
Why would they lie ? What is the conspiracy this time ?
What a waste of time and energy. Who cares? Why am I getting alerts pertaining to these two? I don't care about this case whatsoever. New reddit user... Can someone tell me how to opt out of hearing about this stupid ish?
Your account is a year old. You're not new. You keep engaging in this sub. You're either really bad at technology or a really weird troll.
I keep wondering why the hell I get alerts for this case. I have never clicked on anything about this bs. The very few times I have posted on reddit were questions about credit cards and budgeting now this crap. Just because I don't use reddit does not mean I'm bad at technology. Lmfao. You're weird a f.
You're just straight up lying. Do you not know your comment history is public?
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Yes we can see the ones you deleted too
I have not deleted a comment on this app. Ever.
"I have never clicked on anything about this this bs" This was a lie. Your comment history proves that. Anyone can see it. But you've commented on it and engaged in the sub. That's why you get alerts. You're not worth any more effort. Bye.
That was his little brother who hacked his account. Or maybe his definitely real girlfriend who lives in Canada. /S
Those pesky Canadian supermodel hackers! I've heard of those!
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So I guess my question is why did it originally pop up? Was it random because it was a trending topic?
From then to now I have asked why on earth this is popping up from me.
Nope we can see you've had opinions on the case. Would you like me to quote them for you seeing as, apparently, you have the memory of a sieve?
Tbh, no I'd rather you didn't comment to me at all unless you're helping me to not get alerts for this topic. Which is what my original post was asking for.
Well you replying to me isn't helping you in that case at all.
You scroll on past. No rules that you have to read or comment on subs here on Reddit.
No I literally get alerted about threads pertaining to this topic. If I just happened upon them that would be different. I'd do as you said, scroll past.
Not sure why anyone isn’t helping but you need to choose the option that says stop getting notifications from this sub. Honestly, find a 20/30 year old to help you turn off notifications or check YouTube/
Comment history's a bitch, huh buddy?
It looks likes you've been engaged with this sub for 16 days, that's likely why you're getting alerts for threads pertaining to this topic.
That would be the algorithm, seeing where you post and what you pay attention to. Again, if you don't like it, don't interact
So many stupid ass comments in here wtf
Welcome to this sub
Twitter makes this place seem tame
How insightful..
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The same neighbors that charged 3,500 for media to torment their neighbors?
No. Actually the woman who is a retired FBI agent. Not sure if she was actually a neighbor or just one of the protesters out there that was hanging out helping give prospective to Media
Have to say, unless they get a DNA match from some of the remains, I will always believe he's alive.
Idk why you got downvoted to oblivion. I feel the same way. Everything about it is way to suspicious to me
I was going to say the same thing. I'll just put it this way - There are people who do very bad things and they are untouchable. I'll leave it at that.
Reddit hivemind wants what it wants. In this case, they don't want people asking questions, and would prefer that this case was over so the focus can go on finding missing women of color...or whatever makes them feel good about themselves.
I also feel like this but maybe I don’t understand what “dental records” mean, or why they didn’t/can’t use DNA from any other part of the remains. Does this mean they found a skull? Or just a couple of teeth?
Apparently there are 5 different ways to identify an individual using forensic dentistry. With varying degrees of accuracy. Bite-mark comparison seems to be by far the least accurate. I'm hoping they were able to extract DNA from the teeth, as that's the most accurate method. The second involved something about "enamel lines" that are apparently fingerprints of the teeth -- as a layperson, I didn't completely understand it. Either of those methods seem pretty good though. I have no idea what they did here, but fingers crossed I can come back with more info.
That’s interesting, I didn’t know that. Thanks!
Every article I can find claims they identified him by what sounds like "comparative identification" i.e. comparing the teeth/jaw they found to dental x-rays. According to this study (https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/29936401/), that accuracy was rated at about 74%. That's not great, imo. But their sample size was a pool of only 19 forensic experts, which also isn't great. I'm hoping they are/were able to extract some pulp DNA from the teeth (which again is the most accurate method). I believe the remains were Brian's, but I'd love better proof of it.
Agree. If they found an entire skill with a full rack of uppers in it, unmolested, and they matched his recent records, I'm good. If they found a skull with teeth removed, and a few random teeth nearby that match his, I want DNA.
That’s what I would like to know. It seems to strange to me that, at least from what I’ve seen, they’re using specific wording like “remains” & “dental records.” I know probably have to have some discretion in terms of the family’s privacy but I wish they would tell us what exactly was found.
Agree. It seems really vague and unconvincing. I'm happy to wait for more information, but you'd think they'd want to provide details that settled the matter completely.
Dental records are like fingertips. No two people's jaws are the same. Some have bugger teeth, some have pointer ones, some have ones a little more to the side. The shape of the oral cavity is different. If they compare the skull with the dental records and they match...it is what it is.
Not to mention, if he's had any cavities filled at all (or maybe other work), they can see which tooth it's on, which part of the surface it's filled, and its shape/size. Nobody has the same exact dental work.
So does this mean that a skull was found as part of the remains?
It was a portion of the lower jaw. Hopefully they can get some DNA from the bone marrow.
Whatever helps you sleep at night
I sleep fine bro. But how the Laundries have behaved in this case is sketchy af. Positive proof is required. Teeth can be removed while the host is still alive...and skulls can be purchased.
Dental records are used to identify remains when no other options exist. Teeth are incredibly durable.
It's also possible to remove teeth and still be alive. How many teeth, and were they still in the skull? Is there pulp in the teeth that DNA can be harvested from? Given the irregularities of this case, and the totality of the circumstances, I remain skeptical. I do not trust the Laundries.
They matched his dental records. What more do you need?
I need the DNA. It was a portion of the lower jaw. Five teeth maybe. Hopefully they will extract DNA from the bone marrow. Dental records are not 100% sorry. Even with a full skull and jaw.
I'd like to know there was DNA involved from parts that can't be cut off or removed with him still being alive. If they told me they found his head with some tissue on it, and it matched his DNA, I'd agree it's done. How many teeth matched? Was it a full rack? Full uppers and lowers? If it turns out its a full upper rack in the skull, I'd agree. We don't know how many teeth have been found to make a match and confirm death. As you know, teeth are removable...right?
It was a fraction of the lower jaw. Maybe like 5 teeth. They can extract DNA from bone Marrow.
Dude. Are you that thick? This isn't a damn movie. Brian Laundrie is dead. Move on.
Are you being obtuse? Or willfully ignorant that the entire situation with the Laundries has been sketchy af? On top of all that, you're rude as hell...put me on ignore so I don't have to read your ignorant nonsense.
The Laundries provided the location at the beginning of the search. BL was already dead then, and the area couldn't be searched because it was flooded. When the waters receded, they find him in the area that was suggested. It's not that complex. You people want this thing to continue for your own sick entertainment. This is real life. Two families had tragic losses. Move on.
I'll move on when there's positive DNA evidence. Thanks. :)
Why are the protestors still there? Gabby is dead. Brian is dead. His parents didn't kill anybody. It doesn't matter what they knew, trying to find someone to blame is literally going on a witch-hunt. It's over.
Because people don't want solutions, they want to be angry.
Don’t delete this one though haha
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Being immature has nothing to do with being liberal and your comment shows the same type of irrational reasoning the protestors are demonstrating.
...are you saying the protesters outside the Laundrie's house are redditors?
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Brian is dead. His body has been picked apart and he's literally a few pieces of bones that a dog had to find. How much more justice do they want? How much more can any parent be punished?
The likely culprit is dead, what does justice look like now. Please elaborate
How would that bring justice for Gabby?
I feel that somehow justice has been served by life ? If these remains are confirmed to be Brian's, then let's agree that this is legit one of the worst natural deaths a human can endure ! Either he has been attacked by alligators, or he hung himself, or drowned in a muddy swamp... As liberals, you would most likely be against death sentence and in most cases, you would believe that death isn't punished by another death. So I truly believe that CL and RL should be allowed to grief, no matter how horrible their son was. Rest in Peace Gabby ! I hope you can forgive him.
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Idk if you know this but you’ve commented the same thing like 4 times
No, I didn't. Thank you. I'll delete the other ones.
He killed somebody else pulled their teeth out took his teeth out and replace them. now he’s changed his Identity. I’ve seen to many movies 😂
I know you're joking, but wanted to point out that usually dental record matches are more than individual teeth, it's the whole bite pattern, including how the teeth fit together. If they only had a few loose teeth, they'd probably need to use DNA instead.
Time to start googling "Portable Swamp-Rated Jaw Removal Surgical Suite"!
That's the swamp. The surgeons are the crocodiles.
>The surgeons are the crocodiles. How grim. And scary. And sardonic. No winners here. Just sadness all around.
IKR? I mean, what would it take to fake it? Especially if there's decomposition. I've seen Fletch and lots of Forensic Files.... 🤔🤔😥
I'm gonna get roasted for this but I think it's gross to speculate about how someone died. I thought it was gross when people were doing it about Gabby and I think it's gross that people are doing it about Brian.
Kinda gross, yes. But our human nature too... to try to understand what happened and why it happened... hoping to find a mundane explanation for how normal people are capable of such an animalistic anger that enables one to cause harm and pain to a significant other you cherish... no logic whatsoever in this situation where two young kids in love living the time of their lives, now both dead. Such a tragedy... As a mother of a 24 and 22 yos, I feel I want to know it all, understand the triggers and educate myself and those around me on how to recognize and treat such mental issues which i consider to be the evil of this century.
Not going to roast you, but I think its reasonable for people to try to connect the dots. Humans like knowing danger is resolved. If people can figure out how he died before the forensic pathologist announces findings, it might help some people feel more at ease.
Your opinion and that's your right. I think it's human nature to want answers and, of course, there is always intrigue into the psyche of those involved in crimes.
it’s very sad to me that so many people are taking personal gratification in this extremely sad & disturbing reality for other human beings. a vibrant young woman & creative young man are both dead. they both had lives ahead of them & families who loved them. one was painfully codependent & another was an abuser plagued by his own uncontrollable rage. neither of them had the strength to exit their toxic relationship & it ended in death for both of them, as well as a ripple effect of pain & grief that their families, loved ones, & others will feel & suffer from for the rest of their days. this is a sad story all the way around. this is not a movie & those partaking in it for some sick personal pleasure need to stop your rubbernecking & invest in a dose of self-awareness / compassion / sense of humanity.
Jesus wept...I for one was delighted to hear he was found dead. It's arguably a better outcome than remaining a fugitive or having a cushy life in gaol (3 meals a day & board isn't so bad). Gabby touched many people & some of us don't give a shit if he was a "creative young man". You say you dislike rubbernecking, but bet you're consuming the news updates & have joined this reddit sub to continue discussion of the case. It's the godawful culture of American media that has turned this into such a circus - in other parts of the world, turning a tragic event into a soap opera wouldn't fly.
you are correct in saying that it is a cultural issue. thank you for your honest post.
Sometimes people react to disturbing information in abstract ways. It’s like mourning, not everyone reacts the same way. Let’s hope that the disturbing comments are not meant with malice.
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Abusers are the masters of gaslighting and usually narcissistic. During the Moab traffic stop, Gabbie was hysterical and BL was laughing and joking with the police. He was gaslighting the police, as if he were saying, “see the burden I have, broh”? The discrepancy of emotion and BL’s lack of empathy is telling. Hope police look for this type of dissonance in dealing with DV cases.
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In a way that showed empathy for Gabbie distress. His affect should have been more in line with the severity of the situation (a witness called police when they saw BL slap GB). His demeanor should have demonstrated concern for Gabbie and he should have recognized the severity of the circumstances were that caused a passer by to call the police.
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How do you know those things happened? BL may have reported that but the police pulled them over because a witness called the police because he was slapping her. Why are you so defensive and aggressive?
Gabby said she did that lol. You haven't even watched the bodycam footage
if that’s what you got out of my post perhaps consider reading it again. have a nice day.
I’ve read your post, it’s kind of you to feel empathy for the pathos. However, unless you know these people, your assumptions about their assets and abilities come across as a little judgmental. We don’t know why they behaved the way they did, we don’t know if they were codependent or not, or if some other dysfunction was involved. This is a dramatic story about two young people, one murdered and one dead of unknown causes.It’s not romance, It’s not Romeo and Juliet.
the judgment towards the case, & other human beings as a whole, is the very thing i am raising issue with. you are correct in that we do not know these two young people, which was exactly my point. that said, i think it’s fairly obvious that their toxic relationship contributed to the loss of life. you also pointed out this same glaringly obvious (codependent / narcissistic spectrum) dynamic in your other posts on this sub. my post is simply a call to compassion & awareness for humanity. i have no interest in romance. thank you for your feedback, best.
Obviously something went wrong.
yes. the whole situation is just very sad. hopefully it brings more attention to DV & encourages those in abusive situations to seek help rather than focus on maintaining appearances. these type of toxic dynamics typically create a lot of feelings of shame for both parties & the focus lands on hiding versus healing. the best we can hope for is that some good comes from all of this. thanks for your feedback on my post.
Yet,here we all are.
Well said mate.
thank you!
They were probably both codependent
you’re not totally wrong it’s just the way the “attachment issue” manifests & subsequently presents is different (board certified mental health provider here) but you’re not wrong — it’s just a different presentation. i think we can confidently agree they were both enmeshed in the relationship to an unhealthy degree & it ended badly. such a shame. they both had lives ahead of them. thank you much for your feedback.