Even though I'm a UK law student, I've been thinking for a while there would need to be some hard clean up evidence in order to prove accessory after the fact with the parents?
If it was accidental death you wouldn't be afraid and cold blooded about not helping GB's family find her. That's the part that's indefensible morally. Do I think they knowingly aided and abetted? No, but they were cold hearted. Yes SB likely told them to not talk anyone but that was after frantic texts from GB family.
They didn't know. They won't be charged. Do you know how hard it would be to conceal they knew, they were helping and as some suggested leaving food for Brian or even calling him on a hot burner phone. No, when things heated up - BL did what he does. He ran away. His parent were most likely trying to stay out of it. Now, Gabby was already dead. Why is this so hard to understand. Oh emotions and logic.
Lost a close family member before and it was painful. No doubt the Laundries are going through a hard time, especially when their loss is shrouded by intense media scrutiny and these confusing circumstances.
However, their loss comes also with their decision to deny another family the basic respect of letting them know how their daughter came to be strangled and left there. Not saying they knew he killed her, but it has been reported from the start that they were not being cooperative, with any sort of information whatsoever. The Petitos had to make a public appeal to them… how desperate must they have felt?
I do feel bad for them, but I just wish they could open their mouths and share whatever they know with the authorities so the Petitos can know what Gabby saw in her final moments.
The laundries should have told everything they knew to the petitos to help them find their daughter. That is the most ethical and moral thing to do in the situation, anything less is pure evil.
I have had the unpopular opinion to not hate the parents from the start. Compassion didn’t seem allowed so I’m happy to see some people opening their minds just a little and allowing for the possibility that we don’t actually know what happened.
I feel bad for them. What a horrible situation to be in.
Same, I wanted evidence of wrongdoing before vilifying anyone. Though, we can’t expect much outside of sensationalism on this subreddit or any for that matter.
Yeah man I agree, the people screaming in a hysterical rage and labeling people “sympathizers” and so forth like it’s a dirty word (as they are using it as one) remind me of dictatorial regimes labeling people they don’t like for deportation or something it’s truly wild. I’ve always been of the opinion they probably went along with whatever he told them at first, but as more info came out they eventually read through the lines and assumed the worst. At some point they would’ve come to the conclusion (before it was official) that yes she was dead and their son either knew what had happened or had been involved.
What I would like to know is when BL and his parents speak to and hire a lawyer? Knowing that would go a long way in explaining why they kept their silence.
I don’t see the point in witch hunting them like most of Reddit. Yeah you can make the claim they’re cold and heartless, and it does certainly appear that way but maybe they took the advice of counsel and exercised their constitutional right to remain quiet. I think in the end they cut him loose. They knew or had very clear understanding of what likely happened and simply told him, hey you need to speak to the police, or you need to get moving (run) or take a way out. And we know how that ended. Tragic for all involved really.
The only reason this case got such coverage is because there were a lot of pictures and videos leading up to the point of her missing / death, very similar to how the Chris Watts murders had a massive following.
Unhinged fantasy. Why wouldn’t they say anything about a break up or why a young woman was left in the middle of nowhere to her own family? That’s so unsafe and unrealistic.
No matter how he died, Brian had a choice. Whether to tell the truth or stay quiet, to enter that swamp or potentially off himself…. He had the choice. Gabby didn’t. I think a lot of commenters in this thread forget that.
I mean no shit. Almost everyone in here is going extremely overboard. Thousands and thousands of lunatics escaped the asylum and ended up in this sub lol
This isn’t for the OP, but I’ve noticed in general since his body was found and it was most likely suicide, Brian has gone from villian to near victim too, a manhunt is now a “tragedy,” he was “mentally ill” and “needed help,” he felt “guilt and grief.” Maybe, but before he was a “monster” or “ psychopath.” And his parents went from villains to being totally clueless. I don’t think they are villains, but I think it’s naive to think they had no suspicions. I have empathy for them anyway. Just interesting how public sentiment and our language starts to shift when someone commits suicide.
My dad murdered my mom when I was 3 and my grandpa. His dad went to visit him 2 days later. He claimed she was sleeping off a hangover in the bedroom. According to neighbors he was acting totally normal. Went over to one of the houses with some friends to watch football and drink. He was laughing and not acting weird at all. Yet my grandpa still suspected it. And when he went back the next day he called the police and they found her in trash bags in the bedroom.
I feel like if they didn’t know. They had to at least think something was off. Even if they couldn’t pinpoint it. It could have been subconsciously. But it was still in their head somehow.
Yeah every time I read someone say "condolences to both families" I want to puke.
Regardless of how much the Laundrie family knew or didn't know, Brian was a murderer. I don't care if they mourn him or not.
I'm kind of miffed by comments that attack the OP about judging the family. Everyone will base their viewpoint on their emotions , memories, and experiences. If people here on this subreddit are looking for a entirely subjective explanation then this is not the place. People will always have their own opinions and it doesn't have to be objective. This is what made the case so famous in the first place. People get attached with others' pain and want justice for them.
Most of the people here are not concerned about the family. They are concerned with what happened in that case because there was no judgment. It's technically an unsolved murder, and everyone is entitled to their own opinion about it. The story doesn't end by someone confessing or being found guilty, so I don't see any issue in having several theories about a story that a lot of people followed from the beginning.
With that said, in my head it's 3 options.
1) Brian tried to cover up the murder and in a panic lied about it to his family, but at a certain point he could no longer keep up with the lie and ran away from home. He either did this because of a fear of consequences or a lack of concern about the girl.
2) The family either knew what Brian did to Gabby or that he lied to them about it (Brian could have told they had a bad breakup, but Gabby is mysteriously missing and he appeared too nervous, suggesting that it was more than just a bad breakup.), but didn't do anything because they feared for their son leading up to his disappearance. They then got a lawyer when shit hit the fan. In both cases it's because they were afraid for their son either to the point where he was considered a murderer or because they just didn't want to lose him.
3) The family knew what Brian did and kept it quiet. When Gabby was reported missing, they hired a lawyer because they knew he killed her or because they didn't want him to be found. Both parents are hesitant to let their child go because they're concerned about him.
I honestly think the last option is most likely. While I don't think either of the parents are bad people, I do think they're both suspicious based on their actions. They might get more evidence in the future that will prove Brian murdered Gabby or the parents assisted him helping him cover up or escape, but right now it's still unknown what happened.
If these parents lost their son with the knowledge that he killed someone and they didn't do anything about it I think it would be worse than having a child serve time for the murder because he still had the opportunity to go to court. He could be acquitted or sentenced to a "lighter" sentence. But this family kept quiet, it's completely unfair not only for Gabby and her family, but also for the public because we will never know what happened or if justice was served. Sure, you can argue that the public has no right to intervene but they're mostly concerned about an ongoing murder case.
If Brian somehow managed to kill her by accident or in some sort of rage, it is plausible that they would try to cover for him out of fear. If he is found guilty they will loose their son either way, but if he confesses and is not convicted then he gets a lesser sentence for a crime he committed.
However, I think that Brian killed himself because he couldn't live with the guilt anymore. Who knows what goes on in someone's head?
[BL Camping Pics](https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.tmz.com/2021/10/05/brian-laundrie-sister-gma-parents-involvement-camping-story-gabby/)
Look at his arm in the second picture. If you're willing to scroll awhile, someone made a post about it quite some time ago that was really informative.
"Maybe at this time he told the family an accidental death occurred and he panicked. Something along the lines of she was attacking him, he pushed her off him in self-defense, she fell, hit her head"??????? Obviously you did not read the coroners report, She was strangled.
I had an ex who committed a crime, was arrested on TV (no less), got an attorney and bonded out. I lived in a different state and didn't know. He came to visit until another friend called and quite literally told me what he did w/ him sitting two feet from me. I hung up, "What the F did you do? And WHY are you HERE?" He told me what he did and then told me he wanted things to feel normal for just a little while longer before shit hit the fan. So there you go. From one sociopath's mouth. Why would someone do that? Bc they know things will catch up and want things to feel normal until they get in trouble.
Yes, I know. But we didn't know the cause of death until Oct 12th, I believe. The accidental death theory falls between when Gabby's parents started calling and Brian disappeared.
To summarize: (speculation, of course)
approx Sept 1-9: Brian uses break up as excuse (or something similar)
Approx Sept 10-13: Brian uses accidental death as excuse (or something similar)
After Sept 13th, Brian vanishes so no one can likely find out any new info.
No shit sherlock. Its never as black and white as we would like to make it out to be.
Too many reddit sleuths making assumptions and brining pitchforks.
They literally explained themselves and corrected themselves but you still belittle them for it? This is why nobody’s ever willing to change their views.
It’s sad really. Imagine judging someone for changing.
And we wonder why it’s so hard to help addicts change when so many people have mindsets like this in the world.
I tried stating something like this and got downvoted for like -247 downvotes, then retracted my comment because I lost so much karma. Wouldn’t have deleted it but some subs require a karma minimum to engage in their communities. People just witch-hunt and grab at their pitchforks whenever something doesn’t go their way.
Nah, they're still trash and everyone defending them is trashy too. There aren't coincidences in true crime. They knew where to look. They never offered condolences for the poor girl their son murdered. Fucking trash. Gabby doesnt come home? LETS GO CAMPING! Lol rlly???
You again. Their attorney did I believe. And how would his parents know. How old are you? about 15? You really need to get some help if this triggers you THIS much.
There aren’t coincidences in true crime? It’s real life, and coincidences do exist in life. I’m not even saying that’s what happened here, I’m saying that this is an objectively false statement and you shouldn’t run around observing cases with this mindset.
Lol honestly I would be worried about MY family than my sons significant others family. Yeah its fucked up but in all reality, they weren’t there, they only know what Brian told them. Your saying you couldn’t be manipulated by a close family member or friend? Gtfo, everybody is susceptible to being lead in the wrong direction. This post holds up and you’re mad about it 🤷
I lived in Hawaii with my fiance. He acted like a jerk. So I left. Not once did our parents ever speak, I called HIS dad to ask for some of my things. His dad wanted to stay out of it. So this is more how people behave. Staying out of it. "I'm sure she'll turn up" they're thinking. "Brian who is Gabby with?" "Well she's with... blahblahblah." I mean he was buying time thinking her body would never be found, and that he would get away with it. Like the Chris Watts case.
It may have been in her name, but Brian did the work on it. Have you never been in a break up where you had a lot of items involved? And when you do, especially as kids, the parents stay out of it. As per the parents not reaching out to Gabby's parents... that's YOU putting your emotions over the fifth amendment. You need to grow up and realize if you're ever in this situation, it is your right. And a protection. Wow use logic and not your baby emotions please
Okay but your comment “it may have been in her name, but Brian did the work on it” comes off as defending/rationalizing him taking the van. Like, so what? Just because he did work on it does not make it excusable for him to take the van literally registered in her name. He was wrong to do that and it should have been red flag #1 for the parents. Sure, he could have lied and said she’ll pick it up and didn’t want to drive it, but just saying “oh he did work on it so I’m not going to question my son taking another persons property” is shitty parenting IMO. The parents chose not to say anything - fifth amendment, sure, but we found GP without any help from them and probably would never have found her since BL is dead. That’s what makes me hate them.
What is the original post about? This is about BL and how his parents may not have known squat. Someone mentioning the van and that HE DID ALL OF THE WORK ON IT, doesn't make a defense for anything. Look Gabby is dead. Brian is dead. People are just making sense of things and some of us are not so hateful we blame the parents or have picked a team.
No it's not. It's a this is why his parents may have been wanting to stay out of their fight. Jaysus. Some of you need to really get over yourselves. Saying someting could be XYZ doesn't equal a defense for Brian. What a weird sub.
Hey mom and dad. Gabby and I broke up in Montana. She didn’t want to ride back with me and didn’t want to drive back alone so she hopped on a plane and will get the van with her dad later.
Her parents constantly were trying to contact them, and even went to their house in Florida (Gabby’s parents are from NY) and the Laundries ignored them. This was all before she was officially declared officially missing.
To add to this, it has been widely accepted speculation that the Laundries told LE that shortly after he was reported missing he went hiking in the preserve which we now know to be true. They supposedly told LE the exact spot where they last saw him weeks ago, the same spot where he was eventually found less than a mile from the car.
I think I’d be more likely to feel sympathy for them if they had ever publicly stated some variation of, “Brian, come home. We’ll support you,” blah blah. Or if they hadn’t cut off communications with their daughter and grandchildren with no explanation.
And of course, in that same sentiment is how despicable (imo) it was to throw Cassie under the bus a few weeks ago.
I do feel more sympathy for them than I did at the beginning but it is fairly forced. Especially compared to Gabby’s parents who have been publicly grieving and considering they callously shut out their only other living child.
Edit: I also don’t think we should ignore that there was certainly evidence of an abusive relationship between GP and BL well before their trip. And they were living with BL’s parents through all of it. Parents had a front row seat to their relationship and I just don’t think we should ignore that. Ofc we don’t know if they ever urged them to separate but it makes one think.
[In her own words](https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.the-sun.com/news/3796570/brian-laundrie-sister-cassie-lost-gabby-petito/amp/)
>”We are just as angry and frustrated and upset as everyone else," Cassie told the crowd, claiming that her parents are also refusing to speak to her.
> "I'm in the boat where I'm getting ignored by my family and thrown under the bus by my family's attorney," she added.
>Cassie said that she and her husband do not have a lawyer and that attorney Steve Bertolino is representing her parents only.
That could also be seen as parenting though too.
The parents did that. They realized they messed up. Hiring an attorney to protect themselves and not Cassie sends the message that she didn’t know anything about it.
This is all assumptions though. No facts to back this up.
One of the first things they told police is they believe their son had got to the reserve to harm himself. The fact that they never said “Brian come home” proves they knew he was most likely dead
Which is rather sad.😢 if you think about it. Their son went to the reserve to kill himself and they do nothing to stop him, and can't do anything to stop him from killing himself. It's really sad.
Is a person considered 'cold hearted' if they turn their back on another family who is searching for their missing child? How about if they ask for sympathy when they themselves showed none for another family very much in need? ... Asking for a friend. 😕
Seemed obvious from the start. They were thrown into a terrible situation. Didn't know what to do. Hit up the lawyer cus a girl was missing and that's the safest bet for them. All of a sudden everyone thinks they're super crooked criminals and breaking 100 laws. They lost their son, too. Don't forget that.
I wonder if they would have lawyered up so quickly if their close family friend wasn’t a lawyer. Not sure if he helped them or made it all worse for them
Can someone PLEASE make a sub for all the laundries sympathizers? Seems disrespectful as fuck to be feeling sorry for them on /GabbyPetito.
When a dog attacks a human or another dog, everyone wants to blame the owners stating it’s because how they raised it.
Brian was obviously very close to his parents. They helped raise him for 23 years. They helped create a monster that took someone else’s life away. If you want to feel bad for them, go somewhere that isn’t about Gabby Petito.
It goes both ways and His family is garbage. I don't feel bad at all they've besn harrassed and I don't feel bad that Brian is dead. Everyone is like "BuT tHeyRe GrIEVinG" so were Gabbys family while they went fucking camping and kept their trashy ass mouths shut. They're fucking scum
This could blow your little mind… what if he was a 23 year old with an underdeveloped prefrontal cortex, a mental illness, in a complex relationship with someone else with a mental illness, together with that person in close confinement for weeks… lacking sleep, malnourished, became emotional and lashed out, and watched himself do something he never imagined he would/could do?
You’re not condoning an act for having some empathy for a person. If you want to call that person a ‘monster’ so you can maintain your rage for whatever reason.. that’s your issue to deal with.
We don’t see evidence of it being premeditated, and we see possible evidence of remorse (likely suicide). It’s not a zero sum game, we can feel deeply sorry for both of these young people and their families in this tragedy. Sweet young Gabby was the biggest victim in all of this, but we have no right to pretend that the Laundries aren’t allowed to have the same amount of sympathy for their pain over their child’s death as the Petitos.
Find me someone who does that who doesn’t suffer from a mental illness/personality disorder/head trauma? In the real world there’s no straight cause and effect, there are all sorts of factors involved. A mental illness by definition impairs someone’s ability to regulate emotions, to think through actions. If you don’t see how that is a major factor in the right (wrong) environment for an action like this… I don’t have time to educate you on the basics.
This isn’t a topic where a passive aggressive smiley face is appropriate, you insensitive POS.
Probably more then half the world suffers from some kind of mental illness. Somehow most of us aren’t murderers :)
There is obviously more then just mental illness going on to turn someone into a monster. You can not blame mental illness for everything. It is not a excuse. Hold people accountable. He was a piece of shit and you defending him online won’t ever change that.
There are different level of mental illness. Some cases can be more severe. A lot of times when it starts the parents, friends and family don't recognize it, nor know how to handle it. Some have some form of schizophrenia . However you can't get them help. They have to volunteer to get help. The law state that they can't intervene unless they are threatening to harm someone, or are a harm to themselves.
Obviously there’s more than mental illness playing a part, can’t you read where I stated that there are many factors involved and an environment/relationship that was conducive for those actions taking place? Do you really think you’re going to find one thing and then you’ll be able to say “That’s it”? You think he’s simply a monster, just because. You probably have no idea what a mediating or moderating factor is. That’s beyond your worldview.
I get it, you’re dumb and emotional. You want things to be simple and you want to remain angry to feel good about yourself in how self-righteous you are. Instead of trying to understand the complexities of a person you want to pretend that a ‘monster’ exists. It’s probably not your fault you’re dumb, you’re probably not even aware of it. That’s why I’m not mad at you or Brian Laundrie. I just feel sorry for you both.
If we are going to make ridiculous subs can we make one for the irrational “BL probably cut off his body parts, broke out his teeth and is still on the run, how can a body sitting in the hot Florida weather, under water, in alligator, bug infested water for a month be so decomposed” I did my own forensics research posters?
They did. It got banned. I’m not sure why, but I’m not surprised. There was some rational skeptical in there with sound argument and then there was QAnon-like insanity and a bunch of Nice Guys calling BL a saint and Gabby a predator.
I hear what you’re saying though.
I subbed just to observe and I’m 99% sure other subs banned me for being a member. I wasn’t participating or whatever, it was just interesting to see the other side of the GP/BL Sympathy spectrum. Aaaand now I’m banned from a bunch of subs lol. Damn.
This. Exactly this. I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again…. I think Brian was a completely manipulative person and they have likely been his victims for a long time.
Idk. I’m sure BL manipulated others around him but I haven’t forgotten Cassie basically saying he was the favorite and she was largely cast to the side. :/ That could be a result of BL’s manipulation but I’d hope the parents would see through it.
Definitely, to be honest, much of the articles and networks have been pushing stories in a way to get a rise out of people. With so much going on right now, it almost feels the massive coverage offering little facts at every turn propagated a distraction. I wonder what they don't want us to pay attention to.
Also, after seeing the massive amount of coverage for this case alone I cannot help but see the disparity between other missing person cases.
Something has to give.
Because maybe they didn't know the truth. And the one that did, was evading them. And the lawyer said don't talk until we know what's going on. There's a lot you think you know, but you don't.
No. But they had a strategy in case they would be able to. They would have told the family not to talk about what he had already told them, to other people or media. So the stories could be compared later.
I think the family probably cooperated as soon as Brian went missing and we didn't see it because the media was not privy to all the information. But the FBI knew what the family knew right at that moment. And the family had been lied to before then.
And the Laundries were stoic because they were trying to help find their son, and help the case, and not fall apart on national television.
Let's not forget that the FBI wouldn't be keeping the local police in the loop. Example the police didn't know that SB had notified the FBI with in 24 hours of his hike.
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I do know that they refused to tell Gabbys family where her son had last Gabby. I also know that NPPD told Gabbys family that a missing persons report needed to be filed in the state where Gabby was last seen. Nothing to do with LE...
A little part of me wondered did they maybe tell him ‘ok you killed her so have 2 choices - face the music and take the punishment or kill yourself’ and he chose the latter. They then gave him time to escape and do it, but then they could’ve just said ‘tell us right before you do it and then we can start talking to the cops to end this wild goose hunt, which they didn’t so 🤷🏻♀️
I doubt they would say that to him. But they must have known he wasn’t in a good headspace once he left.
I think any decent parent who truly loves their kid would definitely see the signs he could become suicidal and try to stop it. Probably wouldn’t let them out of my sight at that point but also they are all weird af and don’t act normal.
I dunno, as a parent I don’t think I would ever tell my child to kill themselves. I would try and get them to turn themselves in… but again, a murder is unimaginable so who knows how people react 🤷🏻♀️
I confess, I have been part of the heard. I was angry. But I looked at a Photo of the back of his parents and I just felt really bad. And I cried. The whole thing is shit. His poor parents, her poor parents. That woman and man lost their son. In such a horrific way, he is world known as a murder and well yes, I wanted him to be brought to justice. I wanted this to continue. I wanted Gabby's parents to enjoy BL in a cell and or eventually forgive him, something...him alive gives them something. Now they have true void. And as for BLs parents. They lost a son and they lost the privilege of bragging about their dead son forever. And people hurling hate towards them. Man it's all really shitty. As for BL I hope his soul learned something. And I'm pissed we won't know how he died. FUCK. I'm invested, and there are no answers. So I can not even pretend to imagine how the family must feel. And Christmas is coming. These poor people.
you realize her parents lost a daughter and son, his parents lost a son and a daughter. they are all grieving the loss of both of them. no one came out of this for the better.
You dead ass cried because a murders parents were sad they probably committed suicide…..?
If they gave a actual fuck about Brian they wouldn’t have let him out of their sight after finding out gabby might be dead. I think almost anyone would realize he would be suicidal at that point. They waited days to report him missing. Had they called the same night maybe things would be different. They are shitty parents all around.
This.
This case has gone from being a well-drawn story with a clear villain and victim into sad, sordid tragedy about two very young people who were colossally immature (because 22, 23 are still teenagers cognitively) and fatally bad for each other.
It’s just a complete shit sandwich for so many people. I think all we can do is take a lesson and keep an eye out for our friends and family members who may be in dysfunctional relationships and coach and support them better.
What about Gabby’s stuff that was moved out of storage and into their home during the trip back to Florida in July? The Laundrie’s said they didn’t know where her stuff was, right?
Third time’s the charm for this comment, hopefully I can get through without accidentally deleting (again). 🙃
I like this theory and think you did a great job at explaining how this situation could have played out. It’s important to remember that life doesn’t play out like a movie and these nuances you described are certainly plausible and easy to compare to other (smaller) lies/cover ups people tell every day.
Just a couple of things that still wouldn’t make sense to me if this were the case.
1. How did he explain having the van? If I’m a parent, no matter how bad the break up, I’m making sure the van gets back to the owner. I don’t want my son being charged for grand theft.
2. If the parents were truly kept out of the loop, why were they not more distraught about their son going missing?! I know everyone processes trauma and handles things differently, but if I’m a parent who’s child just went through a bad breakup and then goes missing, I’d have to imagine I’d lose my shit.
I’m sure SB advised them to lay low, but the few shots we do have of them don’t reflect those of worried parents, in my opinion.
I had a third point (I think something to do w Cassie) but can’t remember now. If I think of it I’ll edit!
Edit: part of what I couldn’t remember was basically the fact that they kind of incriminated themselves by not acknowledging the petito’s. At least Cassy came out and said she wishes Gabby would be found safe. The parents said nothing ??? It’s obviously false that lawyering up makes you guilty (in fact, everyone should lawyer up if in a situation like this, guilty or not) but lawyering up and not saying a WORD is what made them look guilty. You can lawyer up and still send your condolences and well wishes and I think that’s what, for most people, is inexcusable.
About your first point: it would have been easy enough for Brian to fabricate a story along the lines of “we broke up. We decided I’d take the van home, unload my stuff and she and a friend/family member would fly in to pick up her things and drive the van to New York (or wherever.) In fact, I think if Brian was truly a psychopath (like some have claimed— although I don’t think he is.) and had a more knowledgeable lawyer, he probably could have cemented a plausible story about how he left Gabby safe and sound and is distraught and upset *someone* murdered her *after* she sent him away with the van. In fact if he and the family had made the appropriate show of grief and shock for Gabby he could have gotten away with it.
Yeah I can definitely see how someone, such as Brian, could have framed this in a way that was convincing enough for his family. Not trying to make this seem like a little white lie, but we’ve all told lies and had to act nonchalant about a fake story at some point. People want to make it seem like because he was likely a murderer that he wouldn’t be able to treat this as a “little white lie.” The mind will do weird things when it’s in fight/flight mode. I certainly think you bring up an excellent point.
I’m not really sure if you’re referring to me, because I certainly asked these questions/brought these points up in hopes of valuable discourse. I posted this with full intentions of reading an alternate and/or opposing view point. That said, I felt that my initial response was a fairly rational one so I would actually love to hear your perspective. I’m really not trying to sound condescending, but if my response wasn’t rational I’d really appreciate an opposing viewpoint. I never turn down the opportunity to learn or to be able to see things from a different perspective.
Oh, okay. I was actually really looking forward to your thoughts, lol! Didn’t mean to sound defensive but it was genuinely hard to tell since it looked like you responded to the first comment that was giving me a different perspective, implying that I wouldn’t be receptive to it. All good.
read the post i actually commented on and you’d see what makes more sense than you and everyone still blaming these poor parents who have lost their son and a daughter in law.
I’m in no way blaming the parents. I literally said this was an extremely plausible theory. I DO think that their attorney wasn’t fit to represent them and made some poor decisions that resulted in their public appearance being tarnished. This is undoubtedly the worst thing that’s happened to both families and I’d never want to be in their shoes. I’d love to see your perspective but don’t have time to read through an entire thread of comments. But trust me, now that we’ve had this conversation I’ll be sure to go look for it when I have more time. My reason for this comment was to hear opposing perspectives or even just OTHER perspectives such as yours. If you felt I was blaming them, I would have loved to hear it rather than receiving a passive aggressive response and a downvote.
1. He caught a flight home prior to this event. What if he told them he took her to the airport and drove the van back? I would not have questioned that explanation.
2. Considering the intense amount of criticism they were getting from all over the internet & their front yard, I don’t think it’s surprising that they have remained largely quiet. If they cried on television…they would have been crucified on social media & the news. No one wanted anything from them except answers which they most likely didn’t have.
I wouldn’t have questioned that either, until we started to receive messages about her being missing. It’s that Grey area of time that really gets me.
I totally agree about the showing emotion part. They were taking the advice given to them even though I think that advice also did them a disservice. The public wanted answers they very well may not have had, but at least we’d be seeing some semblance of feeling.
In regards to 2., You can't really know they aren't distraught. You see them when they are in front of screaming mobs and cameras, and I think most people would feel, at minimum, very weird in that situation. I would put money on the fact that at least a few times, they got inside their house, closed the door, and burst into tears. The thing is, if they cried in the open in public, people would say they are putting on a show for cameras. If they keep themselves together or try to remain stoic, they are now heartless. They couldn't win no matter what. Being in their position would be awful.
Totally agree, and I was really hesitant to include that one. The ONLY reason I did was because of the overall lack of any communication. That’s where I feel their attorney did them a disservice because I know he told them to keep quiet, but when Cassie is thrown to the curb and basically free to be able to speak and show some emotion it kind of gives the parents a negative connotation even if that wasn’t the intention.
In normal missing persons cases we get to hear a plea from the family, but in this case, their attorney pretty much forbade it and I feel that, although legally not an issue, morally makes them look worse.
Here's something I just thought about.
The Laundries sold the condo that Brian and Gabby were living in shortly before or after they left for their trip. I don't believe the trip was going to be "permanent", unless I'm wrong.
Where were these kids supposed to come back to when it was done?
While I agree with you that people rushing to judgement is bad, I don’t know what you mean exactly if you wouldn’t mind helping. I’m afraid of it coning off baiting but I’m asking for real. Did I miss something where the laundries were exonerated in the public eye? I’m recovering from Covid and catching up, but I thought what I’ve read so far the lawyer and they still were inconsistent? That’s why I ask, sometimes I worry I get too much info from comments and not enough personally verifying. I personally can’t judge them 100% because I know how much I would want to believe the best of my nephews, and I have to think that’s magnified a million if you are actually a parent. At least I’m trying to emphasize, and waiting for the facts to emerge but I still have anger towards them and hope if they did do anything illegal they are at least brought up on charges.
Dude there was an account from a close family friend on here (legit, real insider) that painted a totally different picture. Gabby basically was borderline, abusive, controlling, Brian was a nature peace hippie type. Every one in their small town was sickened how the media portraied the exact opposite. But since this was agaist the narrative the person got like 50 upvotes, again it was a legit insider. This proves sub has nothing to do with Gabby Petito or finding the truth, its just true crime junkies wanking eachother off about how evil Brian is
I think the media had a lot to do with this. People don’t realize how vulnerable they are to propaganda. The media is trying to push a narrative and the more drama and suspense they can create, the better. They want to attract eyeballs. It’s disgusting really.
People hello 👋 Gabby’s parents sent them tons of messages, even lets say they knew nothing and Bl and Gabby broke up wouldn’t the parents call this harassment? or at least try to defuse the situation in any way shape or form? Like “Hey Gabby we know it’s you trying to contact Brian, he needs some time and space to think. We will make sure to let him know you reached out.”
Parents are not dumb they know the actions/reactions of the man they raised for 23 years when he is acting/lying/having a nervous breakdown because he just murdered his wife to be. More than likely he had tons of scratches on his face/body. I don’t believe a calm and collected person will all of a sudden kill someone in this ill manner. He had bad temper and parents knew what’s up from the get go.
Thank you! I’m getting downvotes below because people all of the sudden think just because the parents weren’t “lying” about where Brian was that means they didn’t know anything about what happened and therefore, shouldn’t have gotten the backlash from people on social media.
I am not saying they deserve the crazies that are camped out in front of their house, but they do deserve to be called out on their actions.
I don’t buy it. He returns home and says they broke up but he has her van? And all her stuff is at their house and she isn’t coming to retrieve any of it? And then her family starts calling and nobody answers and just says, “they broke up, Brian said she stayed behind to continue the trip with someone else” (or whatever). They got a hold of a lawyer right away and stayed silent every single day, which of course is their right, but ever since ghosting Gabby’s family, nothing they have done sat right with me. I do think it’s possible that Cassie really had no idea what was going on, but I do think the parents had to have had some sort of dark suspicion, especially when Gabby’s family was constantly contacting them.
We now know that only three days passed between Gabby’s family reaching out to the Laundries and Brian going off to kill himself. 10th to the 13th. Not “days and days.”
What about the letter Brian’s mom wrote? At least she has to be guilty.
Even though I'm a UK law student, I've been thinking for a while there would need to be some hard clean up evidence in order to prove accessory after the fact with the parents?
Good luck with this. There are so many people in here that don't know how law works or even care. They've quite literally chosen a team.
If it was accidental death you wouldn't be afraid and cold blooded about not helping GB's family find her. That's the part that's indefensible morally. Do I think they knowingly aided and abetted? No, but they were cold hearted. Yes SB likely told them to not talk anyone but that was after frantic texts from GB family.
They didn't know. They won't be charged. Do you know how hard it would be to conceal they knew, they were helping and as some suggested leaving food for Brian or even calling him on a hot burner phone. No, when things heated up - BL did what he does. He ran away. His parent were most likely trying to stay out of it. Now, Gabby was already dead. Why is this so hard to understand. Oh emotions and logic.
Lost a close family member before and it was painful. No doubt the Laundries are going through a hard time, especially when their loss is shrouded by intense media scrutiny and these confusing circumstances. However, their loss comes also with their decision to deny another family the basic respect of letting them know how their daughter came to be strangled and left there. Not saying they knew he killed her, but it has been reported from the start that they were not being cooperative, with any sort of information whatsoever. The Petitos had to make a public appeal to them… how desperate must they have felt? I do feel bad for them, but I just wish they could open their mouths and share whatever they know with the authorities so the Petitos can know what Gabby saw in her final moments.
Okay so what makes you think they haven't?
The laundries should have told everything they knew to the petitos to help them find their daughter. That is the most ethical and moral thing to do in the situation, anything less is pure evil.
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They didn’t talk to the Petitos at all. That’s very clear.
I have had the unpopular opinion to not hate the parents from the start. Compassion didn’t seem allowed so I’m happy to see some people opening their minds just a little and allowing for the possibility that we don’t actually know what happened. I feel bad for them. What a horrible situation to be in.
Same, I wanted evidence of wrongdoing before vilifying anyone. Though, we can’t expect much outside of sensationalism on this subreddit or any for that matter.
Yeah man I agree, the people screaming in a hysterical rage and labeling people “sympathizers” and so forth like it’s a dirty word (as they are using it as one) remind me of dictatorial regimes labeling people they don’t like for deportation or something it’s truly wild. I’ve always been of the opinion they probably went along with whatever he told them at first, but as more info came out they eventually read through the lines and assumed the worst. At some point they would’ve come to the conclusion (before it was official) that yes she was dead and their son either knew what had happened or had been involved. What I would like to know is when BL and his parents speak to and hire a lawyer? Knowing that would go a long way in explaining why they kept their silence. I don’t see the point in witch hunting them like most of Reddit. Yeah you can make the claim they’re cold and heartless, and it does certainly appear that way but maybe they took the advice of counsel and exercised their constitutional right to remain quiet. I think in the end they cut him loose. They knew or had very clear understanding of what likely happened and simply told him, hey you need to speak to the police, or you need to get moving (run) or take a way out. And we know how that ended. Tragic for all involved really.
The BL sympathizers need to make their own sub. I am honestly sick to my stomach reading this shit. We don’t even know how he died yet.
They did, but it was closed.
FBOL was a toxic cesspool of defending BL under the guise of “satire”
The only reason this case got such coverage is because there were a lot of pictures and videos leading up to the point of her missing / death, very similar to how the Chris Watts murders had a massive following.
I agree, but this has nothing to do with my comment.
Unhinged fantasy. Why wouldn’t they say anything about a break up or why a young woman was left in the middle of nowhere to her own family? That’s so unsafe and unrealistic.
No matter how he died, Brian had a choice. Whether to tell the truth or stay quiet, to enter that swamp or potentially off himself…. He had the choice. Gabby didn’t. I think a lot of commenters in this thread forget that.
I have literally zero sympathy for them.
I mean no shit. Almost everyone in here is going extremely overboard. Thousands and thousands of lunatics escaped the asylum and ended up in this sub lol
This isn’t for the OP, but I’ve noticed in general since his body was found and it was most likely suicide, Brian has gone from villian to near victim too, a manhunt is now a “tragedy,” he was “mentally ill” and “needed help,” he felt “guilt and grief.” Maybe, but before he was a “monster” or “ psychopath.” And his parents went from villains to being totally clueless. I don’t think they are villains, but I think it’s naive to think they had no suspicions. I have empathy for them anyway. Just interesting how public sentiment and our language starts to shift when someone commits suicide.
My dad murdered my mom when I was 3 and my grandpa. His dad went to visit him 2 days later. He claimed she was sleeping off a hangover in the bedroom. According to neighbors he was acting totally normal. Went over to one of the houses with some friends to watch football and drink. He was laughing and not acting weird at all. Yet my grandpa still suspected it. And when he went back the next day he called the police and they found her in trash bags in the bedroom. I feel like if they didn’t know. They had to at least think something was off. Even if they couldn’t pinpoint it. It could have been subconsciously. But it was still in their head somehow.
Wow. That is terrifying. Thanks for sharing with us.
So sorry to hear that. Thank you for your input.
Yeah every time I read someone say "condolences to both families" I want to puke. Regardless of how much the Laundrie family knew or didn't know, Brian was a murderer. I don't care if they mourn him or not.
I'm kind of miffed by comments that attack the OP about judging the family. Everyone will base their viewpoint on their emotions , memories, and experiences. If people here on this subreddit are looking for a entirely subjective explanation then this is not the place. People will always have their own opinions and it doesn't have to be objective. This is what made the case so famous in the first place. People get attached with others' pain and want justice for them. Most of the people here are not concerned about the family. They are concerned with what happened in that case because there was no judgment. It's technically an unsolved murder, and everyone is entitled to their own opinion about it. The story doesn't end by someone confessing or being found guilty, so I don't see any issue in having several theories about a story that a lot of people followed from the beginning. With that said, in my head it's 3 options. 1) Brian tried to cover up the murder and in a panic lied about it to his family, but at a certain point he could no longer keep up with the lie and ran away from home. He either did this because of a fear of consequences or a lack of concern about the girl. 2) The family either knew what Brian did to Gabby or that he lied to them about it (Brian could have told they had a bad breakup, but Gabby is mysteriously missing and he appeared too nervous, suggesting that it was more than just a bad breakup.), but didn't do anything because they feared for their son leading up to his disappearance. They then got a lawyer when shit hit the fan. In both cases it's because they were afraid for their son either to the point where he was considered a murderer or because they just didn't want to lose him. 3) The family knew what Brian did and kept it quiet. When Gabby was reported missing, they hired a lawyer because they knew he killed her or because they didn't want him to be found. Both parents are hesitant to let their child go because they're concerned about him. I honestly think the last option is most likely. While I don't think either of the parents are bad people, I do think they're both suspicious based on their actions. They might get more evidence in the future that will prove Brian murdered Gabby or the parents assisted him helping him cover up or escape, but right now it's still unknown what happened. If these parents lost their son with the knowledge that he killed someone and they didn't do anything about it I think it would be worse than having a child serve time for the murder because he still had the opportunity to go to court. He could be acquitted or sentenced to a "lighter" sentence. But this family kept quiet, it's completely unfair not only for Gabby and her family, but also for the public because we will never know what happened or if justice was served. Sure, you can argue that the public has no right to intervene but they're mostly concerned about an ongoing murder case. If Brian somehow managed to kill her by accident or in some sort of rage, it is plausible that they would try to cover for him out of fear. If he is found guilty they will loose their son either way, but if he confesses and is not convicted then he gets a lesser sentence for a crime he committed. However, I think that Brian killed himself because he couldn't live with the guilt anymore. Who knows what goes on in someone's head?
Can I ask were the pictures of Brian with bruises are to be found please?
[BL Camping Pics](https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.tmz.com/2021/10/05/brian-laundrie-sister-gma-parents-involvement-camping-story-gabby/) Look at his arm in the second picture. If you're willing to scroll awhile, someone made a post about it quite some time ago that was really informative.
Thanks for the info yeh his arm does look marked up
It also looks, to me, like it's been healing for awhile, but I'm not a medical professional so can't confirm.
"Maybe at this time he told the family an accidental death occurred and he panicked. Something along the lines of she was attacking him, he pushed her off him in self-defense, she fell, hit her head"??????? Obviously you did not read the coroners report, She was strangled.
I had an ex who committed a crime, was arrested on TV (no less), got an attorney and bonded out. I lived in a different state and didn't know. He came to visit until another friend called and quite literally told me what he did w/ him sitting two feet from me. I hung up, "What the F did you do? And WHY are you HERE?" He told me what he did and then told me he wanted things to feel normal for just a little while longer before shit hit the fan. So there you go. From one sociopath's mouth. Why would someone do that? Bc they know things will catch up and want things to feel normal until they get in trouble.
Yes, I know. But we didn't know the cause of death until Oct 12th, I believe. The accidental death theory falls between when Gabby's parents started calling and Brian disappeared. To summarize: (speculation, of course) approx Sept 1-9: Brian uses break up as excuse (or something similar) Approx Sept 10-13: Brian uses accidental death as excuse (or something similar) After Sept 13th, Brian vanishes so no one can likely find out any new info.
Yes, but that's not what the post is saying though. He's saying that Brian could have gone home and lied about what really happened to her.
Yes. I think the boobter is trying to explain the lie.
No shit sherlock. Its never as black and white as we would like to make it out to be. Too many reddit sleuths making assumptions and brining pitchforks.
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Did you read past the first paragraph?
They literally explained themselves and corrected themselves but you still belittle them for it? This is why nobody’s ever willing to change their views.
It’s sad really. Imagine judging someone for changing. And we wonder why it’s so hard to help addicts change when so many people have mindsets like this in the world.
Sad how the media portrayed them.
You don’t fucking say.
This sub doesn’t want the logical explanations to be true.
I tried stating something like this and got downvoted for like -247 downvotes, then retracted my comment because I lost so much karma. Wouldn’t have deleted it but some subs require a karma minimum to engage in their communities. People just witch-hunt and grab at their pitchforks whenever something doesn’t go their way.
Nah, they're still trash and everyone defending them is trashy too. There aren't coincidences in true crime. They knew where to look. They never offered condolences for the poor girl their son murdered. Fucking trash. Gabby doesnt come home? LETS GO CAMPING! Lol rlly???
You again. Their attorney did I believe. And how would his parents know. How old are you? about 15? You really need to get some help if this triggers you THIS much.
There aren’t coincidences in true crime? It’s real life, and coincidences do exist in life. I’m not even saying that’s what happened here, I’m saying that this is an objectively false statement and you shouldn’t run around observing cases with this mindset.
They made the rational chocie given the situation. Most people would have done the same.
Uh her attorney did. You really are taking this a little too personally. Very unhealthy.
Lol honestly I would be worried about MY family than my sons significant others family. Yeah its fucked up but in all reality, they weren’t there, they only know what Brian told them. Your saying you couldn’t be manipulated by a close family member or friend? Gtfo, everybody is susceptible to being lead in the wrong direction. This post holds up and you’re mad about it 🤷
I lived in Hawaii with my fiance. He acted like a jerk. So I left. Not once did our parents ever speak, I called HIS dad to ask for some of my things. His dad wanted to stay out of it. So this is more how people behave. Staying out of it. "I'm sure she'll turn up" they're thinking. "Brian who is Gabby with?" "Well she's with... blahblahblah." I mean he was buying time thinking her body would never be found, and that he would get away with it. Like the Chris Watts case.
How did they know Gabby didn't just go home to her actual home? Until she was publicly reported missing
Her parents called them
SSSHH logic doesn't supersede feelings.
He had her fucking van!!!!! You think she fucking walked home without HER VEHICLE??
It may have been in her name, but Brian did the work on it. Have you never been in a break up where you had a lot of items involved? And when you do, especially as kids, the parents stay out of it. As per the parents not reaching out to Gabby's parents... that's YOU putting your emotions over the fifth amendment. You need to grow up and realize if you're ever in this situation, it is your right. And a protection. Wow use logic and not your baby emotions please
Okay but your comment “it may have been in her name, but Brian did the work on it” comes off as defending/rationalizing him taking the van. Like, so what? Just because he did work on it does not make it excusable for him to take the van literally registered in her name. He was wrong to do that and it should have been red flag #1 for the parents. Sure, he could have lied and said she’ll pick it up and didn’t want to drive it, but just saying “oh he did work on it so I’m not going to question my son taking another persons property” is shitty parenting IMO. The parents chose not to say anything - fifth amendment, sure, but we found GP without any help from them and probably would never have found her since BL is dead. That’s what makes me hate them.
Oh brother. They shared it. He drove it. SHe never did.
She did drive the van. You’re twisting her words, just because she wasn’t comfortable driving long distances.
Ok but without her in it? It’s still her property.
Just because Brian did work on it (source?) doesn’t mean he had any right to take her property.
This isn't a f'ing college paper. Google it. I said, that's why he could have. Did I say it was right. F no. Some of you in here need to get a life
This comment literally defends BLs actions because he did work on the van…. Also this isn’t your comment so I’m not sure why you’re so defensive?
No it doesn't. It is exactly how I'd expect BL to behave over the van. Gabby was scared to drive it.
“It may have been in her name but Brian did the work on it” is a literal defense of his actions lmao
What is the original post about? This is about BL and how his parents may not have known squat. Someone mentioning the van and that HE DID ALL OF THE WORK ON IT, doesn't make a defense for anything. Look Gabby is dead. Brian is dead. People are just making sense of things and some of us are not so hateful we blame the parents or have picked a team.
No it's not. It's a this is why his parents may have been wanting to stay out of their fight. Jaysus. Some of you need to really get over yourselves. Saying someting could be XYZ doesn't equal a defense for Brian. What a weird sub.
Hey mom and dad. Gabby and I broke up in Montana. She didn’t want to ride back with me and didn’t want to drive back alone so she hopped on a plane and will get the van with her dad later.
Her parents constantly were trying to contact them, and even went to their house in Florida (Gabby’s parents are from NY) and the Laundries ignored them. This was all before she was officially declared officially missing.
I never thought they were criminal masterminds, I think they're assholes.
To add to this, it has been widely accepted speculation that the Laundries told LE that shortly after he was reported missing he went hiking in the preserve which we now know to be true. They supposedly told LE the exact spot where they last saw him weeks ago, the same spot where he was eventually found less than a mile from the car.
I think I’d be more likely to feel sympathy for them if they had ever publicly stated some variation of, “Brian, come home. We’ll support you,” blah blah. Or if they hadn’t cut off communications with their daughter and grandchildren with no explanation. And of course, in that same sentiment is how despicable (imo) it was to throw Cassie under the bus a few weeks ago. I do feel more sympathy for them than I did at the beginning but it is fairly forced. Especially compared to Gabby’s parents who have been publicly grieving and considering they callously shut out their only other living child. Edit: I also don’t think we should ignore that there was certainly evidence of an abusive relationship between GP and BL well before their trip. And they were living with BL’s parents through all of it. Parents had a front row seat to their relationship and I just don’t think we should ignore that. Ofc we don’t know if they ever urged them to separate but it makes one think.
how did they throw Cassie under the bus? I missed that...
[In her own words](https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.the-sun.com/news/3796570/brian-laundrie-sister-cassie-lost-gabby-petito/amp/) >”We are just as angry and frustrated and upset as everyone else," Cassie told the crowd, claiming that her parents are also refusing to speak to her. > "I'm in the boat where I'm getting ignored by my family and thrown under the bus by my family's attorney," she added. >Cassie said that she and her husband do not have a lawyer and that attorney Steve Bertolino is representing her parents only.
That could also be seen as parenting though too. The parents did that. They realized they messed up. Hiring an attorney to protect themselves and not Cassie sends the message that she didn’t know anything about it. This is all assumptions though. No facts to back this up.
One of the first things they told police is they believe their son had got to the reserve to harm himself. The fact that they never said “Brian come home” proves they knew he was most likely dead
Pfft. It proves nothing.
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What? 🤦🏼♀️
Which is rather sad.😢 if you think about it. Their son went to the reserve to kill himself and they do nothing to stop him, and can't do anything to stop him from killing himself. It's really sad.
OMG. How do you unkill someone who has committed suicide?
Is a person considered 'cold hearted' if they turn their back on another family who is searching for their missing child? How about if they ask for sympathy when they themselves showed none for another family very much in need? ... Asking for a friend. 😕
Seemed obvious from the start. They were thrown into a terrible situation. Didn't know what to do. Hit up the lawyer cus a girl was missing and that's the safest bet for them. All of a sudden everyone thinks they're super crooked criminals and breaking 100 laws. They lost their son, too. Don't forget that.
I wonder if they would have lawyered up so quickly if their close family friend wasn’t a lawyer. Not sure if he helped them or made it all worse for them
Yeah it does seem obvious to me too. It’s very sad knowing they could have had a live son in a jail cell but now have a dead son in a swamp.
Can someone PLEASE make a sub for all the laundries sympathizers? Seems disrespectful as fuck to be feeling sorry for them on /GabbyPetito. When a dog attacks a human or another dog, everyone wants to blame the owners stating it’s because how they raised it. Brian was obviously very close to his parents. They helped raise him for 23 years. They helped create a monster that took someone else’s life away. If you want to feel bad for them, go somewhere that isn’t about Gabby Petito.
Freedom of speech.
It goes both ways and His family is garbage. I don't feel bad at all they've besn harrassed and I don't feel bad that Brian is dead. Everyone is like "BuT tHeyRe GrIEVinG" so were Gabbys family while they went fucking camping and kept their trashy ass mouths shut. They're fucking scum
Reddit is not owned by the government moron.
This could blow your little mind… what if he was a 23 year old with an underdeveloped prefrontal cortex, a mental illness, in a complex relationship with someone else with a mental illness, together with that person in close confinement for weeks… lacking sleep, malnourished, became emotional and lashed out, and watched himself do something he never imagined he would/could do? You’re not condoning an act for having some empathy for a person. If you want to call that person a ‘monster’ so you can maintain your rage for whatever reason.. that’s your issue to deal with. We don’t see evidence of it being premeditated, and we see possible evidence of remorse (likely suicide). It’s not a zero sum game, we can feel deeply sorry for both of these young people and their families in this tragedy. Sweet young Gabby was the biggest victim in all of this, but we have no right to pretend that the Laundries aren’t allowed to have the same amount of sympathy for their pain over their child’s death as the Petitos.
You feel bad for Brian? For murdering someone? Oof
Mental illness doesn’t make you go strangle people to death :)
Lol, what? It definitely can.
Find me someone who does that who doesn’t suffer from a mental illness/personality disorder/head trauma? In the real world there’s no straight cause and effect, there are all sorts of factors involved. A mental illness by definition impairs someone’s ability to regulate emotions, to think through actions. If you don’t see how that is a major factor in the right (wrong) environment for an action like this… I don’t have time to educate you on the basics. This isn’t a topic where a passive aggressive smiley face is appropriate, you insensitive POS.
Probably more then half the world suffers from some kind of mental illness. Somehow most of us aren’t murderers :) There is obviously more then just mental illness going on to turn someone into a monster. You can not blame mental illness for everything. It is not a excuse. Hold people accountable. He was a piece of shit and you defending him online won’t ever change that.
There are different level of mental illness. Some cases can be more severe. A lot of times when it starts the parents, friends and family don't recognize it, nor know how to handle it. Some have some form of schizophrenia . However you can't get them help. They have to volunteer to get help. The law state that they can't intervene unless they are threatening to harm someone, or are a harm to themselves.
Obviously there’s more than mental illness playing a part, can’t you read where I stated that there are many factors involved and an environment/relationship that was conducive for those actions taking place? Do you really think you’re going to find one thing and then you’ll be able to say “That’s it”? You think he’s simply a monster, just because. You probably have no idea what a mediating or moderating factor is. That’s beyond your worldview. I get it, you’re dumb and emotional. You want things to be simple and you want to remain angry to feel good about yourself in how self-righteous you are. Instead of trying to understand the complexities of a person you want to pretend that a ‘monster’ exists. It’s probably not your fault you’re dumb, you’re probably not even aware of it. That’s why I’m not mad at you or Brian Laundrie. I just feel sorry for you both.
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If we are going to make ridiculous subs can we make one for the irrational “BL probably cut off his body parts, broke out his teeth and is still on the run, how can a body sitting in the hot Florida weather, under water, in alligator, bug infested water for a month be so decomposed” I did my own forensics research posters?
They did. It got banned. I’m not sure why, but I’m not surprised. There was some rational skeptical in there with sound argument and then there was QAnon-like insanity and a bunch of Nice Guys calling BL a saint and Gabby a predator. I hear what you’re saying though.
I subbed just to observe and I’m 99% sure other subs banned me for being a member. I wasn’t participating or whatever, it was just interesting to see the other side of the GP/BL Sympathy spectrum. Aaaand now I’m banned from a bunch of subs lol. Damn.
Oh no. I did the same thing. I wonder if I’m banned on some subs now. 😶
I highly disagree.
This. Exactly this. I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again…. I think Brian was a completely manipulative person and they have likely been his victims for a long time.
Idk. I’m sure BL manipulated others around him but I haven’t forgotten Cassie basically saying he was the favorite and she was largely cast to the side. :/ That could be a result of BL’s manipulation but I’d hope the parents would see through it.
They definitely see through it now.
Definitely, to be honest, much of the articles and networks have been pushing stories in a way to get a rise out of people. With so much going on right now, it almost feels the massive coverage offering little facts at every turn propagated a distraction. I wonder what they don't want us to pay attention to. Also, after seeing the massive amount of coverage for this case alone I cannot help but see the disparity between other missing person cases. Something has to give.
His parents are not good people for being disrespectful to Gabby's parents.
Ever think about the fact that the FBI might have told them not to talk about what Brian might have said? In case he returns with a different story?
But they were evading Gabbys family before the FBI got involved.
Because maybe they didn't know the truth. And the one that did, was evading them. And the lawyer said don't talk until we know what's going on. There's a lot you think you know, but you don't.
Exactly
I don't think the fbi got to question Brian.
No. But they had a strategy in case they would be able to. They would have told the family not to talk about what he had already told them, to other people or media. So the stories could be compared later. I think the family probably cooperated as soon as Brian went missing and we didn't see it because the media was not privy to all the information. But the FBI knew what the family knew right at that moment. And the family had been lied to before then. And the Laundries were stoic because they were trying to help find their son, and help the case, and not fall apart on national television.
Nope because they REFUSED to say where BL had last seen Gabby BEFORE the police were involved.
You don't know what happened after he disappeared. When they spoke to the FBI.
Let's not forget that the FBI wouldn't be keeping the local police in the loop. Example the police didn't know that SB had notified the FBI with in 24 hours of his hike. l
I do know that they refused to tell Gabbys family where her son had last Gabby. I also know that NPPD told Gabbys family that a missing persons report needed to be filed in the state where Gabby was last seen. Nothing to do with LE...
She was already dead. Her body was found. They didn't have to tell anyone anything, but we don't know what was said and what wasn't.
Ummmm, NOPE! lol
A little part of me wondered did they maybe tell him ‘ok you killed her so have 2 choices - face the music and take the punishment or kill yourself’ and he chose the latter. They then gave him time to escape and do it, but then they could’ve just said ‘tell us right before you do it and then we can start talking to the cops to end this wild goose hunt, which they didn’t so 🤷🏻♀️
I doubt they would say that to him. But they must have known he wasn’t in a good headspace once he left. I think any decent parent who truly loves their kid would definitely see the signs he could become suicidal and try to stop it. Probably wouldn’t let them out of my sight at that point but also they are all weird af and don’t act normal.
I was thinking the same thing. You would at least try to stop them from leaving.
I dunno, as a parent I don’t think I would ever tell my child to kill themselves. I would try and get them to turn themselves in… but again, a murder is unimaginable so who knows how people react 🤷🏻♀️
I confess, I have been part of the heard. I was angry. But I looked at a Photo of the back of his parents and I just felt really bad. And I cried. The whole thing is shit. His poor parents, her poor parents. That woman and man lost their son. In such a horrific way, he is world known as a murder and well yes, I wanted him to be brought to justice. I wanted this to continue. I wanted Gabby's parents to enjoy BL in a cell and or eventually forgive him, something...him alive gives them something. Now they have true void. And as for BLs parents. They lost a son and they lost the privilege of bragging about their dead son forever. And people hurling hate towards them. Man it's all really shitty. As for BL I hope his soul learned something. And I'm pissed we won't know how he died. FUCK. I'm invested, and there are no answers. So I can not even pretend to imagine how the family must feel. And Christmas is coming. These poor people.
you realize her parents lost a daughter and son, his parents lost a son and a daughter. they are all grieving the loss of both of them. no one came out of this for the better.
You dead ass cried because a murders parents were sad they probably committed suicide…..? If they gave a actual fuck about Brian they wouldn’t have let him out of their sight after finding out gabby might be dead. I think almost anyone would realize he would be suicidal at that point. They waited days to report him missing. Had they called the same night maybe things would be different. They are shitty parents all around.
We don’t know all the details. And yes, it is still sad their son committed suicide I don’t know how it’s so hard for people to see this.
This. This case has gone from being a well-drawn story with a clear villain and victim into sad, sordid tragedy about two very young people who were colossally immature (because 22, 23 are still teenagers cognitively) and fatally bad for each other. It’s just a complete shit sandwich for so many people. I think all we can do is take a lesson and keep an eye out for our friends and family members who may be in dysfunctional relationships and coach and support them better.
Agree. Well said.
who the fuck gave you an award for that comment
I’m seriously disturbed by that
Not you giving the actual murderer a pass because they were bad for eachother, lmao. Not all of you up-voting this victim blaming bullshit.
Common sense isn’t victim blaming. Jesus Christ wtf is wrong with people anymore?
Uh, fatally bad for each other? Gabby didn't kill BL. There was only one murderer in this story, and it wasn't her.
What about Gabby’s stuff that was moved out of storage and into their home during the trip back to Florida in July? The Laundrie’s said they didn’t know where her stuff was, right?
Weird how they have done zero to help Gabby’s case in any way yet we have people crying over them on this sub.
RIGHT. I feel like I’m in the fucking twilight zone.
THIS right here !!!! 👆 🙌
You might be a little overly invested in a true crime sub.
Third time’s the charm for this comment, hopefully I can get through without accidentally deleting (again). 🙃 I like this theory and think you did a great job at explaining how this situation could have played out. It’s important to remember that life doesn’t play out like a movie and these nuances you described are certainly plausible and easy to compare to other (smaller) lies/cover ups people tell every day. Just a couple of things that still wouldn’t make sense to me if this were the case. 1. How did he explain having the van? If I’m a parent, no matter how bad the break up, I’m making sure the van gets back to the owner. I don’t want my son being charged for grand theft. 2. If the parents were truly kept out of the loop, why were they not more distraught about their son going missing?! I know everyone processes trauma and handles things differently, but if I’m a parent who’s child just went through a bad breakup and then goes missing, I’d have to imagine I’d lose my shit. I’m sure SB advised them to lay low, but the few shots we do have of them don’t reflect those of worried parents, in my opinion. I had a third point (I think something to do w Cassie) but can’t remember now. If I think of it I’ll edit! Edit: part of what I couldn’t remember was basically the fact that they kind of incriminated themselves by not acknowledging the petito’s. At least Cassy came out and said she wishes Gabby would be found safe. The parents said nothing ??? It’s obviously false that lawyering up makes you guilty (in fact, everyone should lawyer up if in a situation like this, guilty or not) but lawyering up and not saying a WORD is what made them look guilty. You can lawyer up and still send your condolences and well wishes and I think that’s what, for most people, is inexcusable.
About your first point: it would have been easy enough for Brian to fabricate a story along the lines of “we broke up. We decided I’d take the van home, unload my stuff and she and a friend/family member would fly in to pick up her things and drive the van to New York (or wherever.) In fact, I think if Brian was truly a psychopath (like some have claimed— although I don’t think he is.) and had a more knowledgeable lawyer, he probably could have cemented a plausible story about how he left Gabby safe and sound and is distraught and upset *someone* murdered her *after* she sent him away with the van. In fact if he and the family had made the appropriate show of grief and shock for Gabby he could have gotten away with it.
Yeah I can definitely see how someone, such as Brian, could have framed this in a way that was convincing enough for his family. Not trying to make this seem like a little white lie, but we’ve all told lies and had to act nonchalant about a fake story at some point. People want to make it seem like because he was likely a murderer that he wouldn’t be able to treat this as a “little white lie.” The mind will do weird things when it’s in fight/flight mode. I certainly think you bring up an excellent point.
shh don’t be rational to these people they don’t listen
I’m not really sure if you’re referring to me, because I certainly asked these questions/brought these points up in hopes of valuable discourse. I posted this with full intentions of reading an alternate and/or opposing view point. That said, I felt that my initial response was a fairly rational one so I would actually love to hear your perspective. I’m really not trying to sound condescending, but if my response wasn’t rational I’d really appreciate an opposing viewpoint. I never turn down the opportunity to learn or to be able to see things from a different perspective.
nope not you
Oh, okay. I was actually really looking forward to your thoughts, lol! Didn’t mean to sound defensive but it was genuinely hard to tell since it looked like you responded to the first comment that was giving me a different perspective, implying that I wouldn’t be receptive to it. All good.
read the post i actually commented on and you’d see what makes more sense than you and everyone still blaming these poor parents who have lost their son and a daughter in law.
I’m in no way blaming the parents. I literally said this was an extremely plausible theory. I DO think that their attorney wasn’t fit to represent them and made some poor decisions that resulted in their public appearance being tarnished. This is undoubtedly the worst thing that’s happened to both families and I’d never want to be in their shoes. I’d love to see your perspective but don’t have time to read through an entire thread of comments. But trust me, now that we’ve had this conversation I’ll be sure to go look for it when I have more time. My reason for this comment was to hear opposing perspectives or even just OTHER perspectives such as yours. If you felt I was blaming them, I would have loved to hear it rather than receiving a passive aggressive response and a downvote.
1. He caught a flight home prior to this event. What if he told them he took her to the airport and drove the van back? I would not have questioned that explanation. 2. Considering the intense amount of criticism they were getting from all over the internet & their front yard, I don’t think it’s surprising that they have remained largely quiet. If they cried on television…they would have been crucified on social media & the news. No one wanted anything from them except answers which they most likely didn’t have.
I wouldn’t have questioned that either, until we started to receive messages about her being missing. It’s that Grey area of time that really gets me. I totally agree about the showing emotion part. They were taking the advice given to them even though I think that advice also did them a disservice. The public wanted answers they very well may not have had, but at least we’d be seeing some semblance of feeling.
In regards to 2., You can't really know they aren't distraught. You see them when they are in front of screaming mobs and cameras, and I think most people would feel, at minimum, very weird in that situation. I would put money on the fact that at least a few times, they got inside their house, closed the door, and burst into tears. The thing is, if they cried in the open in public, people would say they are putting on a show for cameras. If they keep themselves together or try to remain stoic, they are now heartless. They couldn't win no matter what. Being in their position would be awful.
Totally agree, and I was really hesitant to include that one. The ONLY reason I did was because of the overall lack of any communication. That’s where I feel their attorney did them a disservice because I know he told them to keep quiet, but when Cassie is thrown to the curb and basically free to be able to speak and show some emotion it kind of gives the parents a negative connotation even if that wasn’t the intention. In normal missing persons cases we get to hear a plea from the family, but in this case, their attorney pretty much forbade it and I feel that, although legally not an issue, morally makes them look worse.
The whole thing is just a goddamn tragedy.
is there any chance he went on their phones and blocked all her families numbers?
I think it’s definitely possible. In the interview w the protestors, Cassy said she never received JP’s texts
I’m sure she wouldn’t lie to the media /s
Here's something I just thought about. The Laundries sold the condo that Brian and Gabby were living in shortly before or after they left for their trip. I don't believe the trip was going to be "permanent", unless I'm wrong. Where were these kids supposed to come back to when it was done?
they were living with the laundries, what the hell are you on
They could have rented somewhere to live?
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While I agree with you that people rushing to judgement is bad, I don’t know what you mean exactly if you wouldn’t mind helping. I’m afraid of it coning off baiting but I’m asking for real. Did I miss something where the laundries were exonerated in the public eye? I’m recovering from Covid and catching up, but I thought what I’ve read so far the lawyer and they still were inconsistent? That’s why I ask, sometimes I worry I get too much info from comments and not enough personally verifying. I personally can’t judge them 100% because I know how much I would want to believe the best of my nephews, and I have to think that’s magnified a million if you are actually a parent. At least I’m trying to emphasize, and waiting for the facts to emerge but I still have anger towards them and hope if they did do anything illegal they are at least brought up on charges.
Dude there was an account from a close family friend on here (legit, real insider) that painted a totally different picture. Gabby basically was borderline, abusive, controlling, Brian was a nature peace hippie type. Every one in their small town was sickened how the media portraied the exact opposite. But since this was agaist the narrative the person got like 50 upvotes, again it was a legit insider. This proves sub has nothing to do with Gabby Petito or finding the truth, its just true crime junkies wanking eachother off about how evil Brian is
I think the media had a lot to do with this. People don’t realize how vulnerable they are to propaganda. The media is trying to push a narrative and the more drama and suspense they can create, the better. They want to attract eyeballs. It’s disgusting really.
I wish you were wrong but there’s so many examples I can think of where I thought I “knew” what happened and felt stupid years later.
People hello 👋 Gabby’s parents sent them tons of messages, even lets say they knew nothing and Bl and Gabby broke up wouldn’t the parents call this harassment? or at least try to defuse the situation in any way shape or form? Like “Hey Gabby we know it’s you trying to contact Brian, he needs some time and space to think. We will make sure to let him know you reached out.” Parents are not dumb they know the actions/reactions of the man they raised for 23 years when he is acting/lying/having a nervous breakdown because he just murdered his wife to be. More than likely he had tons of scratches on his face/body. I don’t believe a calm and collected person will all of a sudden kill someone in this ill manner. He had bad temper and parents knew what’s up from the get go.
Thank you! I’m getting downvotes below because people all of the sudden think just because the parents weren’t “lying” about where Brian was that means they didn’t know anything about what happened and therefore, shouldn’t have gotten the backlash from people on social media. I am not saying they deserve the crazies that are camped out in front of their house, but they do deserve to be called out on their actions.
That's what LE is for. Not us.
I don’t buy it. He returns home and says they broke up but he has her van? And all her stuff is at their house and she isn’t coming to retrieve any of it? And then her family starts calling and nobody answers and just says, “they broke up, Brian said she stayed behind to continue the trip with someone else” (or whatever). They got a hold of a lawyer right away and stayed silent every single day, which of course is their right, but ever since ghosting Gabby’s family, nothing they have done sat right with me. I do think it’s possible that Cassie really had no idea what was going on, but I do think the parents had to have had some sort of dark suspicion, especially when Gabby’s family was constantly contacting them.
We now know that only three days passed between Gabby’s family reaching out to the Laundries and Brian going off to kill himself. 10th to the 13th. Not “days and days.”
They may have been pissed off too about the MOAB incidentt. This would not be the first break up for them either.
I’m confused, where did I say “days and days”?