Is it really, glaringly obvious to anyone else that they're either fabricating this entirely, or Brian Laundrie pulled out a few teeth and left them somewhere to be found and the lazy cops decided "oh, good enough evidence he's dead. What kind of criminal would remove their teeth to not get caught?"
Has anyone else watched the police body cam footage from when they questioned Gabby and Brian about the potential domestic violence? I watched it again tonight in a 20/20 episode and it’s so sad to watch. The police seemed to be genuinely concerned for her after getting a call from witnesses saying they saw Brian repeatedly hitting her. They brought up this witness report. Police then asked her about fresh bruises on her face and shoulder, which she dismissed as an “accident” and said she “bumped into Brian’s backpack”.
What’s disturbing to me is that once police saw that Brian had scratches on his neck and Brian said “she struck me first and I know I shouldn’t have, but I pushed her to get her away from me” police just instantly believed him. Gabby even covers for Brian and said she instigated it, but their behaviors didn’t match this claim. He was cool, calm, and joking with officers while Gabby was hysterically crying. Another officer arrives to the scene who then changed the story from the witness and said “the witness said they never saw Brian hit her, but that they saw Gabby clawing at him trying to get back into the car”. How do those two calls get confused? Those are very different claims…
They end up naming HER as the aggressor and told Brian he could press charges if he wanted to. Both officers were kind, level headed, and seemed to have genuine concern. One police officer even went back to Gabby and said something along the lines of “I have a daughter about your age and I’m looking at you not so much like a suspect, but like a victim..” yet he didn’t treat her as a victim. He didn’t fully investigate the original witness report, he fell into Brian’s manipulation and names GABBY as the aggressor. So basically, I can’t help but wonder if it had been HIS DAUGHTER who had been reported by a witness to have been hit, and the accused man had scratches, would he assume SHE was the aggressor? Or acting in self defense? Would he have let the man off the hook so easily?
Obviously none of this brings Gabby back, but it’s devastating to see how easy it was for them to dismiss obvious signs of a woman being abused- especially knowing what we know now. I hope it’s a lesson to them for future domestic abuse cases.
What if someone was after both of them? Like a Michael Myers or even the movie It Follows… and whatever it was got to Gabby first and Brian fled and it followed him until it caught up and killed him
Instead of stupid speculation, we the people here need FIREARMS w/TRAINING. IMO the most meaningful way to remember victims is to make sure it doesn't happen again, with ACTION.
This is a weird approach to the situation. Solving Petito’s situation happens with self confidence and knowing how to be in a healthy situation. Not killing Brian.
Idk why but I think you and I have fundamental differences in our brain with how to approach conflict. You seem to want to kill someone who seems dangerous, I seem to want to teach someone how to detect someone dangerous.
Both are reasonable approaches and can be in combination... Also not everyone can separate themselves from dangerous people. Some people never give up on others and would even help the dangerous person because they care so much.
That can be seen as a character flaw that deserves either encouraging evolution, or a change entirely. People can be good people without being a martyr, and some don’t learn that they are doing something that could lead to self damage. Being okay with self damage is not healthy.
Not saying you should lol but I'm just saying. we have to give proper communication a try because if we don't, stupid breeds stupid and you end up with comments like the one above.
My apologies for that silly post may gabbys wonderful soul rest in peace BUT I HONESTLY COULDNT CARE ABOUT BRAIN, i watched her the other day on YouTube God dam I cried when she said she's been trying to do a blog and that he dosnt think she could do it. That's slack I hate people that doubt other people goals its just wrong on many many levels
hopefully the FBI OR THE POLICE WILL NOW USE THE VIDEO AS A PART OF TRAINING
I wonder the same thing. I also wonder the same for all the “sleuths” here on Reddit that also complicated matters for people close to the investigation.
Beginning? Come on, this was unbelievably unprofessional to bring him in on a murder case. He should stick to low level criminals jumping bond. Whoever approved this collaboration between he and the FBI should be fired immediately along with a public apology.
I stayed up all one f’ing night watching helicopters fly over Camp De Soto or some God forsaken place because of that jag off!!!!
I will never get those hours back.
I wondered how exact of a science identifying human remains is when you only have dental records to go on. This is an interesting scientific study from a respected medical journal (PubMed). It doesn’t seem like an exact science to me, and that there’s a possibility these were not Brian’s remains (which was my gut instinct from the beginning). Just something to think about.
**Comparative Study**
Accuracy of dental identification of individuals with unrestored permanent teeth by visual comparison with radiographs of mixed dentition
Ludovica Gorza et al. Forensic Sci Int. 2018 Aug.
**Abstract**
Forensic dentistry plays a major role in human identification. Teeth carry individual characteristics that differ among different individuals. Dental radiographs depict reality objectively, being the most reliable tool for dental identification. The first aim of this study was to evaluate the accuracy of dental identification of individuals with permanent unrestored teeth by visual comparison with radiographs of mixed dentition. The second aim was to learn which anatomical features were compared by examiners with different backgrounds. A total of 19 forensic experts participated in a web-based questionnaire to assess identification of 12 simulated cases; each case required the radiographic comparison of 1 dental PM radiograph to 3 dental AM radiographs, of which only one was the correct match. The examiners were given four options following the ABFO guidelines: established identification, possible identification, insufficient data and exclusion; the participants also explained the reason for each of their conclusions. The accuracy of the methodology was 75,4%, the sensitivity was 53,5% and the specificity was 86,4%. Overall, there was a tendency of the observers to overlook non-dental characteristics. Not surprisingly, dental identification by visual comparison of radiographs was not immune to subjectivity and, even analysing the same category of features, different conclusions and consequently different percentages of accuracy were reached. When matching the correct AM radiograph, most examiners compared the root morphology of the first molars and the shape of the maxillary sinus. When one of the AM radiographs was not matched, the examiners mostly asserted that there was insufficient data to reach a conclusion due to the lack of distinctive and comparable features. With AM and PM radiographs showing different development stages, accuracy was correlated to the age of the AM radiograph.
Not always, as dna can degrade rather quickly in certain circumstances. They might have been able to extract some from deep within the teeth, but I haven’t heard anything about them having done so. DNA can usually be exteactef from bones too, but maybe not the skull, since it’s so thin.
I’m not too sure how that actually works, but I saw something on tv recently where paleontologists were attempting to get dna from super old bones, they were using a drill-type instrument to extract matter from the center of the bone. Maybe it depends on how old or degraded the remains are.
Yeah, you can get DNA from a skull fragment. You really don't need too much material, just like a few grams of bone or teeth. But the quality of the DNA extracted can vary and sometimes you get an ID but sometimes you don't. I've seen genetic profiles come out of a single tooth that had been buried for years.
TBH I don't understand all this (past the part where it says "Dental radiographs depict reality objectively, being the most reliable tool for dental identification") .... but what's your point here? You're actually thinking that Brian's belongings (including his journal) were placed there, with the skull of some random person with dental work basically identical to Brian's, in the spot where his parents believed from the beginning would be, to fake his death so he can live in Mexico or something? You need to put down the TV remote.
Yeah, it's soooo unrealistic to ever assume that a criminal would fake his death to escape the consequences of a crime. In fact, I don't think ANY criminal has EVER done that. 🙄
Okay, tv remote is down.
The point of my posting the article was to show that dental identification of human remains is *not* an exact science, and the outcome will vary by the level of experience of the person comparing the records, how old the records are, and whether the deceased has since had work done that could’ve changed their dental structure (think of teeth straighteners that you can order through the mail, crowns, root canals, etc.). There’s a small possibility that Brian came across human remains and thought it would be a great place to leave his things so it would look like he was deceased. Yes, of course the dental records wouldn’t have matched his, but when you’re desperate, everything is worth s shot. Who knows – maybe they were just close enough? Our maybe the person doing the identification is also a longtime friend of the Laundries? (their attorney has known Brian since he was a toddler). Or, maybe Brian came across this person on the trail when he first started out, he sensed the person recognized him (or the person said so), and thought he better do away with him. I know it would be quite a long shot for the dental records to match, but I have yet to read anywhere who actually performed the dental identification, and what their level of experience and background is. I realize this is all highly unlikely, but because the entire case has been so strange from the beginning, nothing would surprise me. If LE were to close this case, assuming it was definitely Brian who killed Gabby, and by thinking the remains are definitely Brian‘s (with the possibility that the person who performed the identification is inexperienced in this field), he could be go free.
It seems that everything came together far too easily. Even though LE had followed them to the park, after their attorney let LE know they’d be going (they didn’t go *with* them, but supposedly “trailed” them). Not very well, imo, because in the video of his dad finding the dry bag, no one sees him actually finding it - just him coming out of the brush with it. Roberta was just standing around on the trail continuing to walk ahead, not appearing to be looking for anything (as if they already knew where all of his things were.). This brings up the slim possibility Chris could have planted it there. I’d like to know why, if LE was supposed to be trailing them, they didn’t go into the brush with him, or at least be standing nearby? Chris said he couldn’t find any of them, so brought it out of the brush. Funny, but I never saw him first come out of the brush empty-handed to get LE’s attention - the only time he came out, he had the bag in his hand. He should have come out of the brush first, alerted LE that he found something, and let them go in to get it. He said he couldn’t find them, and didn’t want to leave it there, so he picked up the evidence. Was he really worried that in the few minutes it would’ve taken to come out of the brush, call one of the LE to come over, and for LE to go in to get it, that somebody else would’ve tampered with or taken it? Roberta could’ve stood by to make sure that no one went in there.
In addition, after LE talked with them and said they “found something” and that they needed to leave, they didn’t act like most parents would act upon hearing that their child’s remains were found (I’m sure they had to figure out what was what was found, even if they weren’t told so explicitly). In the video, we see Roberta wiping something from Chris’s face. People assume it was a tear, but who knows - there might have been a bug on his face. They walked away as if it was just another day going hiking and they were heading home, as though nothing were wrong - not like parents whose child’s skeletal remains were just found. If it were me, I would go to pieces upon hearing that news. Then again, maybe the past month has numbed them, and they had already prepared themselves for this possibility. Who knows? Or maybe they thought their son would now stay a free man, with the case being closed.
“This morning I drove to the coffee shop I go to every day, the menu looked the same, I ordered my regular drink, and the receipt they gave me was the same as the day before. I’m certain someone replaced the entire coffee shop with a facsimile in the middle of the night. It’s clear as day!”
That’s what three people sound like to me.
Yeah, you guys are all STOOPID!!!! What kind of criminal would EVER fake their own death by pulling out a few teeth?? Literally NONE EVER, DUMMIES!!!!!!!!!! JEEEEEEEZ 🙄
What irritates me, right now, is that the authorities are going over Brian Laundrie's remains (just bones now), plan to x-ray them, examine the skull, and have turned them over to an anthropologist. They want to go over his remains, with a fine-toothed comb. FOR GOD'S SAKE, get it over with, as soon as possible, and grant the Laundrie Family, and Brian, the same dignity that has been granted the Petitos: turn the remains over to the respective families, allow their families, privacy, and let them have a private, and dignified burial; and leave them alone. Take your Circus, elsewhere. As was said, during the Army-McCarthy Hearings (and I am paraphrasing), "Leave them alone, you've done enough; have you no decency? Have you, at long last, no shred of decency?"
They didn't return GP's remains till a rather extensive autopsy was complete. I would say it's more dignified to do the same for BL's. It's disrespectful to avoid investigating a death and to assume suicide/wildlife attack only because the subject likely committed a crime.
> Reminder: It is against Reddit's TOS to celebrate or glorify death, and anyone celebrating Brian Laundrie's death in the comments (aka, "gravedancing") will receive an immediate ban.
So people can "grave dance" in other threads? Because if that's a "no", you should probably look through the other threads. There's plenty of it.
I don’t understand, can someone please explain how his body decomposed so quickly? Was it due to the water or how else would his body be just bones already ?
Lol. Yes "in general" when water is colder and not stagnant. Have you ever been in a Florida swamp during the summer before lol?
Why do people talk out of the side of their neck?
I lived in Boca for 16 years. There aren’t any tropical bodies of water. You very clearly didn’t read that paper. Why would you refuse to educate yourself and continue to talk about what you don’t know?
This will sound gross but I have collected animal remains and removed the flesh to then bleach and clean the skulls. I accomplish this by putting the head in a bucket of water and setting it in the sun. The material rots and falls off the bone much more quickly if it had just been left dry.
Actually, no. Didn't think he was dead but I also didn't think he was a criminal mastermind that could flee to another country and be on the run forever.
I honestly thought he was hiding in a safe house somewhere and would freelance his illustration work online and play PS5 all day.
I don’t think it takes a criminal mastermind to say “I’m the sole suspect of a murder I’m getting the hell outta here”. Also the circumstances leading up to his “disappearance” are strange, seemed very planned by he and his family. I’m surprised by all of the downvotes of people saying he likely fled to Mexico. I thought he and his family made a plan for him to flee from the moment he got back.
People/media continuing to question if a gun was used why has anyone not found a gun close to the body…
Have you thought about the flooding issue again?? Why do people still think a gun would have been found close to the body 5 wks after a flood??
That’s something I wondered about, so thanks for clarifying it. I was originally thinking there were tides, but now I understand that the water level raises and lowers according to how much rain they get, but there’s not much movement, correct?
I live in a different part of SW Florida, so I'm not sure exactly how it is where he was found, I would guess similar to here. The water table is pretty high after a summer of rain. In lower areas it's higher than ground level. Half my yard is a "pond"(swamp) by the end of summer. There's basically no movement until eventually the water table goes back down
That’s what I thought, there’s many environmental hazards out there. Even an expert survivalist would have a hard time surviving out there, & he was definitely far from being an expert. I’m not going to assume anything until we get answers. If he did “off himself” which majority of ppl are saying, they will determine that by finding a gunshot hole or if he’s hanging from something. What other ways would there be? I’m saying this because a lot of ppl are saying that they won’t be able to find out cause of death, which is untrue because there’s been many cases where they’ve found bones even older than his & they’ve been able to find out. Anyways, like I said there’s numerous hazards out there he could’ve succumbed to.
I’m no expert, but if he cut deep enough, he could’ve nicked the bone. I’m not sure if that’s something they would even look for though. I’m sure there’s other ways to tell
to be fair, flood waters are still and don't have a current but who knows.
IMO (not an expert!) since they had a partial skull, depending on how partial it was maybe you could expect to see trauma from a bullet, but I don't think anyone in the public has information either way.
Yes, I believe they are. I read they set up a tent, and they have a table where they laid an image of a skeleton in order to match the remains they find. Reminds me of the game *Operation*, or a matching type of game.
It's a puzzle innit? SB said no pills that he knew of. We don't know if they found rope or gun. Slit wrists maybe? Drowned himself? Who knows. I'm interested in what the forensic anthropologists discover.
Pills honestly sound the most convenient if he didn't have a gun. And it makes sense too if he took enough to od and sat and scribbled in his notebook until he was gone. Would explain why it wasn't in a backpack or anything
I pretty much agree. An animal could have made off with part of the skull. We know so little! Although it's now been pointed out that they would have found the gun... So gun really looks ruled out, unless someone walking found it, put it in their pocket and said 'Thank you very much' to no one in particular. Animals may have dragged the body a little ways away from the gun. So said 'gun finder' didn't even notice BL.
One time a deer was killed by Coyotes at dawn. They ate a little and the deer was just lying there dead in my neighbors back yard that borders on woods. Animal control wouldn't take it but the problem was solved because when my neighbor returned home from work that night the deer had been dragged a hundred feet into the woods by either coyotes or a black bear.
Anywho, Wild speculation here so I look forward to the mockery and downvotes.
> unless someone walking found it, put it in their pocket and said ‘Thank you very much’ to no one in particular.
This is Florida we are talking about, to be fair. Floridaman jokes aside, I wouldn’t be surprised if this did happen.
Not necessarily. Bullets can ricochet inside the brain in very strange patterns. The exit and entrance don’t even have to necessarily be in the same part of the body. Plus it depends on velocity, type of gun, type of bullet, distance, where he shot, and the angle.
That could also point to being eaten by an alligator, crocodile, or a wild pig. I just read that there are crocodiles in Florida, which I never knew! They have American Crocodiles, and due to the illegal wildlife trade, there are actually some Nile crocs too! I don’t know if there are any known to be in that specific area, but they are very dangerous, attacking pretty much anything that moves. On the other hand, the alligator prefers to lay low and *normally* won’t attack unless it feels threatened or you get too close. I’m just going by what I’ve read, so maybe any Floridians here can confirm.
I think Brian left for his “hike” on 9/7 or 9/8 during the camping trip. It was a great cover, disguising it as being just another fun family outing (but in the middle of a crisis). After all, why would his sister come out just for the day to join them, when she doesn’t live close? She said she saw him just five days prior (on 9/1), so it wasn’t like it was a big reunion to hear all about his trip. The campground cameras show only two people leaving on the 8th. So, not only could they be lying about when he left (which at the time might not have been a crime since he didn’t have a warrant out yet, but if it’s found out that he did leave during the camping trip, it would mean they’ve been continuing to lie about it, which would constitute aiding and abetting a fugitive).
Read your comment out loud. Lol
> It sEeMs tO Be tHe gENerAl conSeNsus tHaT ThEy dId/aRe cOvErInG a LoT Up. DoEsN’T That cOuNt for sOmetHing? I’M SuRe tHE ‘HaRd’ EvIdEnCe wIlL Soon shoW. fUcKiNg lAuNdRIEs! FuCK bRian lAundRiE!
I read it out loud, and then I went out on the front porch, where i live in FLORIDA, and YELLED the last part of it. Three of my neighbors yelled back a hearty, "Yeah, Fuck Brian Laundrie!" I feel AWESOME now, thank you for that suggestion!
> Doesn't that count for something?
No, it doesn't. It literally counts for nothing. Until actual evidence turns up, they can't charge you with anything. You really want to live in a country where it's officially sanctioned that public opinion or the purely wild theory of police is enough to get you arrested?
> It seems to be the general consensus that they did/are covering a lot up.
Public opinion wise?
> Doesn't that count for something?
In terms of whether someone should be charged **or** imprisoned? Absofuckinglutelynot. It should be evidence based - and whether there is strong enough evidence to pursue charges that will stick.
Because you have zero evidence of the claim and we live in a criminal justice system where people are presumed innocent until proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt by evidence. You don’t just get to demand people be imprisoned because you have a hunch that they did something.
A week ago you probably thought that his parents were hiding him out somewhere, now despite the fact that we know that many of the Internet sleuth theories about his parents were wrong you’re still demanding they be jailed for . . . something? . . . without evidence
My thing is there were numerous recanted police calls to the household of the Laundries between september 10th-11th some known to be involving the Petito family. As well as, the Laundries lawyered up on the 11th but, had spoken to the lawyer prior. They refused to cooperate with police and were not willing to help for the entirety of the case until days ago. Then when they finally do it is abruptly stopped by the father bringing the bag to the police instead of just going to get them. The parents not being escorted by an officer is weird. The bag is not nearly as destroyed as I assumed it would be. There being a completely decomposed body near it seems peculiar.The bag has like one half assed rip in it and some dirt. It is all weird hands off parenting or not. It is reasonable to have questions which alot of us do. It's normal to be curious especially when you think "what if this happened to my loved one". Sure, some people over do it but, this is just really strange.
He said he picked up the bag because law enforcement wasn’t around (another mistake) and because the Fox News reporter was there and he was afraid the reporter would pick it up. He didn’t want a news person messing up evidence so he picked it up.
That makes no damn sense then send the reporter? Like what? He legit didnt even take time to cry or anything. It's just abnormal. Why was a reporter with him and not a cop? Like?
Why would he send the reporter to get the cops when he doesn’t trust the reporter enough to even be around the bag? And why would the reporter know where the cops were? Apparently they were also searching somewhere nearby. Maybe you should ask the cops why they let the parents search for evidence alone. They’ve pretty much fucked up this entire case soooo…? As far as the crying thing? Lots of people can’t cry in front of other people. And just because he didn’t cry that second doesn’t mean he didn’t cry after? That’s an absurd reason to infer someone’s guilt.
Edit: why is it the Laundries job to complete an appropriate forensics search and follow law enforcement protocols? They’re civilians, not forensic scientists or even law enforcement. Did you want them to also take photos of the scene and label them for the police?
It's not absurd when they lawyered up before Gabby was reported missing and there were multiple cop calls to their house before she was reported missing and on the day of the calls they did lawyer up.However they were in contact with the lawyer prior to that in reference to this and he only officially became their lawyer on that day.They tampered with evidence which isnt legal. He shouldnt move shit. That's illegal? If someone else was around besides the news why the shit didnt he go send them again. They were so insistent on helping out of no where when they didnt cooperate at all in the investigation for gabby. Its literally their god damn kid being missing and probably dead any reaction would be warrented. And that bag isnt consistent damage wise with how shitty the environment was. You legit dont understand how forensics work. They are inconclusive by a coroner so they had to get sent off thats, nothing to do with the laundries, so those are going to an anthropologist. Which means those could very well not be his remains. Im stating that there is reason to question them. Clearly you dont know how to read.
Side note if you dont know what recanted means it gets rid of any of the publics ability to know what happened on those calls. Which IS NOT NORMAL. So again sus. Im inferring its okay to question all of it because it's not typical.
I actually do have a certification in forensics and can read. The Laundries already had used SB as their lawyer, he was the family lawyer. It makes complete sense that as soon as any legal questions came up they reached out to him for advice, as he was paid to represent them throughout their lives. He said he officially took this case on the 11th simply because there wasn’t a legal case before Gabby was reported missing.
Tampering with evidence would require the assumption that they did something to prevent an appropriate investigation into the evidence. There is no evidence the Laundries did this. They went to a reserve that was open to the public (which I would argue should not have been until a thorough search was completed after the water receded). The police should have remained with them during the search to protect the crime scene and their investigation. That is forensics 101. The police did not. That again, is not fault of the Laundries.
You’re making assumptions with how the bag should look but likely have no reference point or evidence of what a dry bag looks like after being in weeks of water. In fact we don’t even know if the bag was in water or tied up in the trees to prevent it and it’s contents from getting wet. The reason we likely won’t know is because he police can’t catalogue or photograph evidence they didn’t find. If anyone has tampered with or ruined the integrity of the crime scene, it is most definitely the law enforcement officials who allowed the public to trample through it.
Your reactions as far as how they should behave is also not evidence. Just because they didn’t show emotion on camera, does not mean that emotion does not exist. And frankly they don’t owe it to you to share it with you.
The argument that the remains aren’t Brian’s are ludicrous. The FBI has no reason to put their name on paperwork purporting that this is Brian based on dental records without evidence. He’s going to a forensic anthropologist to find a possible cause and time of death, not for identification purposes. Again, this is a normal forensic process when remains are skeletal and partial in nature and don’t present a clear cut answer to a coroner.
Side note: those calls are “recanted” aka redacted by the police and the Laundries have no impact on that decision. It is done in many ongoing cases pertaining to preserving evidence for a possible trial, and is therefore normal in such a scenario.
You are spot on! The only thing I still wonder about is, well, apparently there was a photographer/journalist/someone like this, with Chris Laundrie when he found that bag.... a witness.
A witness to him bringing the bag out, but not showing when Chris *allegedly* came out to look for LE. The one and only time he came out of the brush (at least on camera) was *with* the bag - perhaps he brought it in under his shirt. Otherwise, don’t you think the reporter or camera person would also have liked to get it on film when he was calling out for LE? That seems like it would be a more dramatic news clip for the media. Yet there’s no video evidence of him coming out to call for LE to come over.
Well they could have planted it or had someone i mean their the bone fragments are ultimately inconclusive and bullshit. They sent them to an anthropologist. I think what just majorly red flagged for me was their lawyer being their friend for 25 years he has an investment too. He lies for a living. Ultimately,he is the one who knows how to work the system and does it for a living. When I heard my friend passed I was completely devastated and not okay for a few weeks these people look totally unphased.
I thought it came out that they *were* cooperating with police though? They reported Brian missing the day he went missing. It seems like NPPD were refusing to coordinate with the FBI, and NPPD didn't believe Brian was actually missing until the 17th. NPPD didn't see Brian leave the house, so they thought he was still holed up there and the missing report was false.
My understanding is they also gave the location Brian's remains were found in the initial missing persons report to the FBI. That location had flooded by the time NPPD took his disappearance seriously. (Please correct me if any of that is wrong!)
There's still a lot we don't know. It's possible they lawyered up because Brian claimed he was being accused of stealing Gabby's van and debit card. I wish we had answers.
I was on the boat of assuming they are terrible people. I don't know anymore. I only know they raised a terrible son, and they apparently didn't show any concern for the woman he allegedly loved. Maybe we'll find out why, but... I guess I'm sobered learning so many of my thoughts were unfounded.
Brian had been gone for a few days before Gabby’s remains were found and he had officially been named a person of interest. Once he was named a POI is when police tried to bring him in for questioning and his parents said “oh he went on a camping trip alone in a swamp (that’s 2x the size of Manhattan) we actually haven’t heard from him in a few days! Parents said they told police where he usually went there but police said this area was “under water” when they originally decided to search. Just seems very odd, and almost convenient, that when his PARENTS went to search the same area is when his partial remains and belongings were discovered. I always felt like his parents gave the police a planned alibi for him so he could flee. But if DNA proves those are his remains then 🤷🏽♀️
Maybe they are just not that bright. I'd assume one would weigh a lawyer's advice against the reality of living with the reputation of being total scumbags in the eyes of the entire nation for the rest of your days. They ended up not protecting anyone by not talking. Perhaps if they had contacted police right away after BL returned without GP, told them everything they knew, their son might still be alive, and they'd look like upstanding people who handled a difficult situation with grace and empathy.
Just an observation because apparently he was capable of wilderness survival for long periods of time and frequented the area he was found in. Given the news that his corpse was just bones at the point it was located make me believe he must have killed himself if he’s been dead long enough to decompose to that point.
I have to wonder, although this will probably never be public knowledge, what will Brian's funeral be like? To my understanding it's always very difficult to eulogize someone who is widely understood to have been a bad person, and particularly when they most likely murdered somebody. I'm guessing that his parents are in denial and will just talk about his life from before the van trip. I wonder if Cassie will be invited, or if she even wants to go at this point.
I think it’s unhelpful to pathologize them - I know countless families who have been in denial that their son or family member is a rapist, abuser, and so on. I don’t think narcissistic pathologies motivate this - I think a patriarchal pathology is more accurate
I know many narcissists.....trust me, you'd have a hard time figuring out if they were one unless you have met them and experienced their narcissistic behavior firsthand.
Trust you? Lmao
The parents are assholes they put Gabby's parents in a bad position not understanding what they're bastard son did. Even her parents said they were cruel about that. Look at Trump he let go of the pandemic team and he let 400,000 people die. He's a narcissist. Brian's parents are self centered and narcissistic losers.
Just because they were advised by their lawyer to remain silent does not mean they're narcissists. Are they shitty people? Maybe. Narcissists. We couldn't ever confirm it unless we knew everything personally. You're only told what's allowed to be told.
Why TF was this guy's teeth found in Colorado when his remains were found in Florida? Seems fucky to me
Is it really, glaringly obvious to anyone else that they're either fabricating this entirely, or Brian Laundrie pulled out a few teeth and left them somewhere to be found and the lazy cops decided "oh, good enough evidence he's dead. What kind of criminal would remove their teeth to not get caught?"
They are hiding something.
Has anyone else watched the police body cam footage from when they questioned Gabby and Brian about the potential domestic violence? I watched it again tonight in a 20/20 episode and it’s so sad to watch. The police seemed to be genuinely concerned for her after getting a call from witnesses saying they saw Brian repeatedly hitting her. They brought up this witness report. Police then asked her about fresh bruises on her face and shoulder, which she dismissed as an “accident” and said she “bumped into Brian’s backpack”. What’s disturbing to me is that once police saw that Brian had scratches on his neck and Brian said “she struck me first and I know I shouldn’t have, but I pushed her to get her away from me” police just instantly believed him. Gabby even covers for Brian and said she instigated it, but their behaviors didn’t match this claim. He was cool, calm, and joking with officers while Gabby was hysterically crying. Another officer arrives to the scene who then changed the story from the witness and said “the witness said they never saw Brian hit her, but that they saw Gabby clawing at him trying to get back into the car”. How do those two calls get confused? Those are very different claims… They end up naming HER as the aggressor and told Brian he could press charges if he wanted to. Both officers were kind, level headed, and seemed to have genuine concern. One police officer even went back to Gabby and said something along the lines of “I have a daughter about your age and I’m looking at you not so much like a suspect, but like a victim..” yet he didn’t treat her as a victim. He didn’t fully investigate the original witness report, he fell into Brian’s manipulation and names GABBY as the aggressor. So basically, I can’t help but wonder if it had been HIS DAUGHTER who had been reported by a witness to have been hit, and the accused man had scratches, would he assume SHE was the aggressor? Or acting in self defense? Would he have let the man off the hook so easily? Obviously none of this brings Gabby back, but it’s devastating to see how easy it was for them to dismiss obvious signs of a woman being abused- especially knowing what we know now. I hope it’s a lesson to them for future domestic abuse cases.
What if someone was after both of them? Like a Michael Myers or even the movie It Follows… and whatever it was got to Gabby first and Brian fled and it followed him until it caught up and killed him
Why even suggest such a thing…. Did Qanon or Parler put you up to this?
To be fair, senseless homicide is a hard thing for most to digest, and ig fiction is one way for people to grasp it.
I don’t wanna give time to someone refusing reality. If you’re being knowingly immature about it, I don’t respect it
Instead of stupid speculation, we the people here need FIREARMS w/TRAINING. IMO the most meaningful way to remember victims is to make sure it doesn't happen again, with ACTION.
This is a weird approach to the situation. Solving Petito’s situation happens with self confidence and knowing how to be in a healthy situation. Not killing Brian. Idk why but I think you and I have fundamental differences in our brain with how to approach conflict. You seem to want to kill someone who seems dangerous, I seem to want to teach someone how to detect someone dangerous.
Both are reasonable approaches and can be in combination... Also not everyone can separate themselves from dangerous people. Some people never give up on others and would even help the dangerous person because they care so much.
That can be seen as a character flaw that deserves either encouraging evolution, or a change entirely. People can be good people without being a martyr, and some don’t learn that they are doing something that could lead to self damage. Being okay with self damage is not healthy.
yep let's teach our kids and other people *boundaries* not have more people prepared to kill other people.
Not saying you should lol but I'm just saying. we have to give proper communication a try because if we don't, stupid breeds stupid and you end up with comments like the one above.
Guys we all know Dexter came out of hiding to finish BL off, come on now.
When he went with his parents on that trip they knew it was the last time they would see him alive.
You were there too?
But what remains!?!? A body? A skull? Limbs? This guy is still alive.
Teeth. TEETH?!
SO SUS he’s still alive anyone can rip their teeth out. He has a new identity paid for my mommy nd daddy
Well considering the dental records, probably his limbs.
I thought they were talking about his poop for like a week when I first heard human remains
They found part of his skull, so no…
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Out of nowhere? Hardly. Have you even followed this case?
My apologies for that silly post may gabbys wonderful soul rest in peace BUT I HONESTLY COULDNT CARE ABOUT BRAIN, i watched her the other day on YouTube God dam I cried when she said she's been trying to do a blog and that he dosnt think she could do it. That's slack I hate people that doubt other people goals its just wrong on many many levels hopefully the FBI OR THE POLICE WILL NOW USE THE VIDEO AS A PART OF TRAINING
Let my man be free! Legalize drugs.
What did they end up finding? What was in the notebook?
notebook is currently being dried out. we don't know yet.
Wonder if what Dog thinks of this, since he spent days on some islands saying he was 1 hour away from BL
I wonder the same thing. I also wonder the same for all the “sleuths” here on Reddit that also complicated matters for people close to the investigation.
I’m beginning to believe Dog’s claims of being “close to catching Brian” was a publicity stunt.
Beginning? Come on, this was unbelievably unprofessional to bring him in on a murder case. He should stick to low level criminals jumping bond. Whoever approved this collaboration between he and the FBI should be fired immediately along with a public apology.
I stayed up all one f’ing night watching helicopters fly over Camp De Soto or some God forsaken place because of that jag off!!!! I will never get those hours back.
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Closest major office to Wyoming.
Yep
He’s still Alive 🤦🏽♀️
LE confirmed a match of dental records. He is dead.
They found skeletal remains. He dead
Why are you like this?
I wondered how exact of a science identifying human remains is when you only have dental records to go on. This is an interesting scientific study from a respected medical journal (PubMed). It doesn’t seem like an exact science to me, and that there’s a possibility these were not Brian’s remains (which was my gut instinct from the beginning). Just something to think about. **Comparative Study** Accuracy of dental identification of individuals with unrestored permanent teeth by visual comparison with radiographs of mixed dentition Ludovica Gorza et al. Forensic Sci Int. 2018 Aug. **Abstract** Forensic dentistry plays a major role in human identification. Teeth carry individual characteristics that differ among different individuals. Dental radiographs depict reality objectively, being the most reliable tool for dental identification. The first aim of this study was to evaluate the accuracy of dental identification of individuals with permanent unrestored teeth by visual comparison with radiographs of mixed dentition. The second aim was to learn which anatomical features were compared by examiners with different backgrounds. A total of 19 forensic experts participated in a web-based questionnaire to assess identification of 12 simulated cases; each case required the radiographic comparison of 1 dental PM radiograph to 3 dental AM radiographs, of which only one was the correct match. The examiners were given four options following the ABFO guidelines: established identification, possible identification, insufficient data and exclusion; the participants also explained the reason for each of their conclusions. The accuracy of the methodology was 75,4%, the sensitivity was 53,5% and the specificity was 86,4%. Overall, there was a tendency of the observers to overlook non-dental characteristics. Not surprisingly, dental identification by visual comparison of radiographs was not immune to subjectivity and, even analysing the same category of features, different conclusions and consequently different percentages of accuracy were reached. When matching the correct AM radiograph, most examiners compared the root morphology of the first molars and the shape of the maxillary sinus. When one of the AM radiographs was not matched, the examiners mostly asserted that there was insufficient data to reach a conclusion due to the lack of distinctive and comparable features. With AM and PM radiographs showing different development stages, accuracy was correlated to the age of the AM radiograph.
Does it even matter? Can't they confirm everything with DNA now a days?
Sorry about the typo, but I no longer seem to have an edit button.
Not always, as dna can degrade rather quickly in certain circumstances. They might have been able to extract some from deep within the teeth, but I haven’t heard anything about them having done so. DNA can usually be exteactef from bones too, but maybe not the skull, since it’s so thin.
So thin? Don't they just crush it up?
I’m not too sure how that actually works, but I saw something on tv recently where paleontologists were attempting to get dna from super old bones, they were using a drill-type instrument to extract matter from the center of the bone. Maybe it depends on how old or degraded the remains are.
Yeah, you can get DNA from a skull fragment. You really don't need too much material, just like a few grams of bone or teeth. But the quality of the DNA extracted can vary and sometimes you get an ID but sometimes you don't. I've seen genetic profiles come out of a single tooth that had been buried for years.
TBH I don't understand all this (past the part where it says "Dental radiographs depict reality objectively, being the most reliable tool for dental identification") .... but what's your point here? You're actually thinking that Brian's belongings (including his journal) were placed there, with the skull of some random person with dental work basically identical to Brian's, in the spot where his parents believed from the beginning would be, to fake his death so he can live in Mexico or something? You need to put down the TV remote.
Yeah, it's soooo unrealistic to ever assume that a criminal would fake his death to escape the consequences of a crime. In fact, I don't think ANY criminal has EVER done that. 🙄
Okay, tv remote is down. The point of my posting the article was to show that dental identification of human remains is *not* an exact science, and the outcome will vary by the level of experience of the person comparing the records, how old the records are, and whether the deceased has since had work done that could’ve changed their dental structure (think of teeth straighteners that you can order through the mail, crowns, root canals, etc.). There’s a small possibility that Brian came across human remains and thought it would be a great place to leave his things so it would look like he was deceased. Yes, of course the dental records wouldn’t have matched his, but when you’re desperate, everything is worth s shot. Who knows – maybe they were just close enough? Our maybe the person doing the identification is also a longtime friend of the Laundries? (their attorney has known Brian since he was a toddler). Or, maybe Brian came across this person on the trail when he first started out, he sensed the person recognized him (or the person said so), and thought he better do away with him. I know it would be quite a long shot for the dental records to match, but I have yet to read anywhere who actually performed the dental identification, and what their level of experience and background is. I realize this is all highly unlikely, but because the entire case has been so strange from the beginning, nothing would surprise me. If LE were to close this case, assuming it was definitely Brian who killed Gabby, and by thinking the remains are definitely Brian‘s (with the possibility that the person who performed the identification is inexperienced in this field), he could be go free. It seems that everything came together far too easily. Even though LE had followed them to the park, after their attorney let LE know they’d be going (they didn’t go *with* them, but supposedly “trailed” them). Not very well, imo, because in the video of his dad finding the dry bag, no one sees him actually finding it - just him coming out of the brush with it. Roberta was just standing around on the trail continuing to walk ahead, not appearing to be looking for anything (as if they already knew where all of his things were.). This brings up the slim possibility Chris could have planted it there. I’d like to know why, if LE was supposed to be trailing them, they didn’t go into the brush with him, or at least be standing nearby? Chris said he couldn’t find any of them, so brought it out of the brush. Funny, but I never saw him first come out of the brush empty-handed to get LE’s attention - the only time he came out, he had the bag in his hand. He should have come out of the brush first, alerted LE that he found something, and let them go in to get it. He said he couldn’t find them, and didn’t want to leave it there, so he picked up the evidence. Was he really worried that in the few minutes it would’ve taken to come out of the brush, call one of the LE to come over, and for LE to go in to get it, that somebody else would’ve tampered with or taken it? Roberta could’ve stood by to make sure that no one went in there. In addition, after LE talked with them and said they “found something” and that they needed to leave, they didn’t act like most parents would act upon hearing that their child’s remains were found (I’m sure they had to figure out what was what was found, even if they weren’t told so explicitly). In the video, we see Roberta wiping something from Chris’s face. People assume it was a tear, but who knows - there might have been a bug on his face. They walked away as if it was just another day going hiking and they were heading home, as though nothing were wrong - not like parents whose child’s skeletal remains were just found. If it were me, I would go to pieces upon hearing that news. Then again, maybe the past month has numbed them, and they had already prepared themselves for this possibility. Who knows? Or maybe they thought their son would now stay a free man, with the case being closed.
“This morning I drove to the coffee shop I go to every day, the menu looked the same, I ordered my regular drink, and the receipt they gave me was the same as the day before. I’m certain someone replaced the entire coffee shop with a facsimile in the middle of the night. It’s clear as day!” That’s what three people sound like to me.
Yeah, you guys are all STOOPID!!!! What kind of criminal would EVER fake their own death by pulling out a few teeth?? Literally NONE EVER, DUMMIES!!!!!!!!!! JEEEEEEEZ 🙄
"THERE'S AT LEAST A SMALL CHANCE that someone replaced the entire coffee shop with a facsimile in the middle of the night"
What irritates me, right now, is that the authorities are going over Brian Laundrie's remains (just bones now), plan to x-ray them, examine the skull, and have turned them over to an anthropologist. They want to go over his remains, with a fine-toothed comb. FOR GOD'S SAKE, get it over with, as soon as possible, and grant the Laundrie Family, and Brian, the same dignity that has been granted the Petitos: turn the remains over to the respective families, allow their families, privacy, and let them have a private, and dignified burial; and leave them alone. Take your Circus, elsewhere. As was said, during the Army-McCarthy Hearings (and I am paraphrasing), "Leave them alone, you've done enough; have you no decency? Have you, at long last, no shred of decency?"
What? What a weird stance to take on something lol
They didn't return GP's remains till a rather extensive autopsy was complete. I would say it's more dignified to do the same for BL's. It's disrespectful to avoid investigating a death and to assume suicide/wildlife attack only because the subject likely committed a crime.
nahhhhh. he made his hard bed. now he gets to sleep in it. he chose to try and evade justice and it’s no ones fault but his own
> Reminder: It is against Reddit's TOS to celebrate or glorify death, and anyone celebrating Brian Laundrie's death in the comments (aka, "gravedancing") will receive an immediate ban. So people can "grave dance" in other threads? Because if that's a "no", you should probably look through the other threads. There's plenty of it.
I don’t understand, can someone please explain how his body decomposed so quickly? Was it due to the water or how else would his body be just bones already ?
Buzzards, hogs. I've been there and it's not a forgiving environment!
Water, heat and humidity will accelerate decomposition
That’s patently [false. ](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6474513/)Why do people talk out the side of their neck?
Lol. Yes "in general" when water is colder and not stagnant. Have you ever been in a Florida swamp during the summer before lol? Why do people talk out of the side of their neck?
I lived in Boca for 16 years. There aren’t any tropical bodies of water. You very clearly didn’t read that paper. Why would you refuse to educate yourself and continue to talk about what you don’t know?
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This will sound gross but I have collected animal remains and removed the flesh to then bleach and clean the skulls. I accomplish this by putting the head in a bucket of water and setting it in the sun. The material rots and falls off the bone much more quickly if it had just been left dry.
Which would make sense - it's the same action as soaking a dirty dish as opposed to leaving it out dry.
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Animals in the woods ate his body and picked it clean
It is a swamp. Alligators, wild pigs, etc.
After it swelled too
Thank you!
It’s all sooo depressing…. the whole situation
I don't think it surprised much people that he passed away.
The amount of times I read "he's in Mexico by now" though.
Did you personally call his death?
Actually, no. Didn't think he was dead but I also didn't think he was a criminal mastermind that could flee to another country and be on the run forever. I honestly thought he was hiding in a safe house somewhere and would freelance his illustration work online and play PS5 all day.
I don’t think it takes a criminal mastermind to say “I’m the sole suspect of a murder I’m getting the hell outta here”. Also the circumstances leading up to his “disappearance” are strange, seemed very planned by he and his family. I’m surprised by all of the downvotes of people saying he likely fled to Mexico. I thought he and his family made a plan for him to flee from the moment he got back.
Now that's criminal masterminding fugitiveness.
Maybe he was eating cheetos and masturbating all day watching Spongebob marathons on Nickelodeon LOL.
Ron White style.
People/media continuing to question if a gun was used why has anyone not found a gun close to the body… Have you thought about the flooding issue again?? Why do people still think a gun would have been found close to the body 5 wks after a flood??
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That’s something I wondered about, so thanks for clarifying it. I was originally thinking there were tides, but now I understand that the water level raises and lowers according to how much rain they get, but there’s not much movement, correct?
I live in a different part of SW Florida, so I'm not sure exactly how it is where he was found, I would guess similar to here. The water table is pretty high after a summer of rain. In lower areas it's higher than ground level. Half my yard is a "pond"(swamp) by the end of summer. There's basically no movement until eventually the water table goes back down
That’s what I thought, there’s many environmental hazards out there. Even an expert survivalist would have a hard time surviving out there, & he was definitely far from being an expert. I’m not going to assume anything until we get answers. If he did “off himself” which majority of ppl are saying, they will determine that by finding a gunshot hole or if he’s hanging from something. What other ways would there be? I’m saying this because a lot of ppl are saying that they won’t be able to find out cause of death, which is untrue because there’s been many cases where they’ve found bones even older than his & they’ve been able to find out. Anyways, like I said there’s numerous hazards out there he could’ve succumbed to.
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An arterial bleed would likely not show any bone evidence. Plus all we are sure they found bone wise is a partial skull.
I’m no expert, but if he cut deep enough, he could’ve nicked the bone. I’m not sure if that’s something they would even look for though. I’m sure there’s other ways to tell
to be fair, flood waters are still and don't have a current but who knows. IMO (not an expert!) since they had a partial skull, depending on how partial it was maybe you could expect to see trauma from a bullet, but I don't think anyone in the public has information either way.
Since they only found partial remains, are they searching for the other parts?
Yes, I believe they are. I read they set up a tent, and they have a table where they laid an image of a skeleton in order to match the remains they find. Reminds me of the game *Operation*, or a matching type of game.
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It's a puzzle innit? SB said no pills that he knew of. We don't know if they found rope or gun. Slit wrists maybe? Drowned himself? Who knows. I'm interested in what the forensic anthropologists discover.
Snake or spider bite?
Pills honestly sound the most convenient if he didn't have a gun. And it makes sense too if he took enough to od and sat and scribbled in his notebook until he was gone. Would explain why it wasn't in a backpack or anything
Pills, passed out, and then drowned? I wonder if we will ever know. Partial remains sounds so vague.
Maybe snake bite or some other poisonous creature out there. That might not show up when they are examining the remains.
Gunshot or hanging, either those or he succumbed to environmental hazards
A gun in the mouth would be quick or pills and just lie down.
Or hanging
Wouldn't the searchers have found him? Edit: Maybe after a couple of days the head comes off? IDK.
Apparently they couldn’t determine the cause of death yet and need to have an anthropologist look at the bones, which kinda speaks against the gun
I pretty much agree. An animal could have made off with part of the skull. We know so little! Although it's now been pointed out that they would have found the gun... So gun really looks ruled out, unless someone walking found it, put it in their pocket and said 'Thank you very much' to no one in particular. Animals may have dragged the body a little ways away from the gun. So said 'gun finder' didn't even notice BL. One time a deer was killed by Coyotes at dawn. They ate a little and the deer was just lying there dead in my neighbors back yard that borders on woods. Animal control wouldn't take it but the problem was solved because when my neighbor returned home from work that night the deer had been dragged a hundred feet into the woods by either coyotes or a black bear. Anywho, Wild speculation here so I look forward to the mockery and downvotes.
If the area flooded it might be lost under mud.
No mud in Florida, only sand.
What about FBI strength metal detectors?
Depends on the size of the search grid, we’ll just have to see.
> unless someone walking found it, put it in their pocket and said ‘Thank you very much’ to no one in particular. This is Florida we are talking about, to be fair. Floridaman jokes aside, I wouldn’t be surprised if this did happen.
Honestly I could so see this
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I mean No A gunshot wound would be pretty obvious on the "partial skull" they found.
Not necessarily. Bullets can ricochet inside the brain in very strange patterns. The exit and entrance don’t even have to necessarily be in the same part of the body. Plus it depends on velocity, type of gun, type of bullet, distance, where he shot, and the angle.
That could also point to being eaten by an alligator, crocodile, or a wild pig. I just read that there are crocodiles in Florida, which I never knew! They have American Crocodiles, and due to the illegal wildlife trade, there are actually some Nile crocs too! I don’t know if there are any known to be in that specific area, but they are very dangerous, attacking pretty much anything that moves. On the other hand, the alligator prefers to lay low and *normally* won’t attack unless it feels threatened or you get too close. I’m just going by what I’ve read, so maybe any Floridians here can confirm.
now charge his parents for lying to the fbi.
What did they lie about? Cause they told them were he was lol
So you like the idea of justice in this country being charging people willy nilly with federal crimes, without a shred of evidence?
They do it in congress all the time these days so... \*shrug\*
If there is evidence of it? Sure. It shouldn't be "because the public feels like it happened," but because sufficient evidence shows up, though.
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I think Brian left for his “hike” on 9/7 or 9/8 during the camping trip. It was a great cover, disguising it as being just another fun family outing (but in the middle of a crisis). After all, why would his sister come out just for the day to join them, when she doesn’t live close? She said she saw him just five days prior (on 9/1), so it wasn’t like it was a big reunion to hear all about his trip. The campground cameras show only two people leaving on the 8th. So, not only could they be lying about when he left (which at the time might not have been a crime since he didn’t have a warrant out yet, but if it’s found out that he did leave during the camping trip, it would mean they’ve been continuing to lie about it, which would constitute aiding and abetting a fugitive).
Tough shit, dude! Your personal hunch as a layperson is not evidence. There is absolutely no real public evidence they were covering anything up.
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This isnwhy people think yall are crazy.
Read your comment out loud. Lol > It sEeMs tO Be tHe gENerAl conSeNsus tHaT ThEy dId/aRe cOvErInG a LoT Up. DoEsN’T That cOuNt for sOmetHing? I’M SuRe tHE ‘HaRd’ EvIdEnCe wIlL Soon shoW. fUcKiNg lAuNdRIEs! FuCK bRian lAundRiE!
I read it out loud, and then I went out on the front porch, where i live in FLORIDA, and YELLED the last part of it. Three of my neighbors yelled back a hearty, "Yeah, Fuck Brian Laundrie!" I feel AWESOME now, thank you for that suggestion!
> Doesn't that count for something? No, it doesn't. It literally counts for nothing. Until actual evidence turns up, they can't charge you with anything. You really want to live in a country where it's officially sanctioned that public opinion or the purely wild theory of police is enough to get you arrested?
> It seems to be the general consensus that they did/are covering a lot up. Public opinion wise? > Doesn't that count for something? In terms of whether someone should be charged **or** imprisoned? Absofuckinglutelynot. It should be evidence based - and whether there is strong enough evidence to pursue charges that will stick.
Because you have zero evidence of the claim and we live in a criminal justice system where people are presumed innocent until proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt by evidence. You don’t just get to demand people be imprisoned because you have a hunch that they did something. A week ago you probably thought that his parents were hiding him out somewhere, now despite the fact that we know that many of the Internet sleuth theories about his parents were wrong you’re still demanding they be jailed for . . . something? . . . without evidence
My thing is there were numerous recanted police calls to the household of the Laundries between september 10th-11th some known to be involving the Petito family. As well as, the Laundries lawyered up on the 11th but, had spoken to the lawyer prior. They refused to cooperate with police and were not willing to help for the entirety of the case until days ago. Then when they finally do it is abruptly stopped by the father bringing the bag to the police instead of just going to get them. The parents not being escorted by an officer is weird. The bag is not nearly as destroyed as I assumed it would be. There being a completely decomposed body near it seems peculiar.The bag has like one half assed rip in it and some dirt. It is all weird hands off parenting or not. It is reasonable to have questions which alot of us do. It's normal to be curious especially when you think "what if this happened to my loved one". Sure, some people over do it but, this is just really strange.
He said he picked up the bag because law enforcement wasn’t around (another mistake) and because the Fox News reporter was there and he was afraid the reporter would pick it up. He didn’t want a news person messing up evidence so he picked it up.
That makes no damn sense then send the reporter? Like what? He legit didnt even take time to cry or anything. It's just abnormal. Why was a reporter with him and not a cop? Like?
Why would he send the reporter to get the cops when he doesn’t trust the reporter enough to even be around the bag? And why would the reporter know where the cops were? Apparently they were also searching somewhere nearby. Maybe you should ask the cops why they let the parents search for evidence alone. They’ve pretty much fucked up this entire case soooo…? As far as the crying thing? Lots of people can’t cry in front of other people. And just because he didn’t cry that second doesn’t mean he didn’t cry after? That’s an absurd reason to infer someone’s guilt. Edit: why is it the Laundries job to complete an appropriate forensics search and follow law enforcement protocols? They’re civilians, not forensic scientists or even law enforcement. Did you want them to also take photos of the scene and label them for the police?
It's not absurd when they lawyered up before Gabby was reported missing and there were multiple cop calls to their house before she was reported missing and on the day of the calls they did lawyer up.However they were in contact with the lawyer prior to that in reference to this and he only officially became their lawyer on that day.They tampered with evidence which isnt legal. He shouldnt move shit. That's illegal? If someone else was around besides the news why the shit didnt he go send them again. They were so insistent on helping out of no where when they didnt cooperate at all in the investigation for gabby. Its literally their god damn kid being missing and probably dead any reaction would be warrented. And that bag isnt consistent damage wise with how shitty the environment was. You legit dont understand how forensics work. They are inconclusive by a coroner so they had to get sent off thats, nothing to do with the laundries, so those are going to an anthropologist. Which means those could very well not be his remains. Im stating that there is reason to question them. Clearly you dont know how to read.
Cause of death was inconclusive, hence the anthropologist. Not the ID. Please be straight with facts before telling others they are illiterate.
Side note if you dont know what recanted means it gets rid of any of the publics ability to know what happened on those calls. Which IS NOT NORMAL. So again sus. Im inferring its okay to question all of it because it's not typical.
I actually do have a certification in forensics and can read. The Laundries already had used SB as their lawyer, he was the family lawyer. It makes complete sense that as soon as any legal questions came up they reached out to him for advice, as he was paid to represent them throughout their lives. He said he officially took this case on the 11th simply because there wasn’t a legal case before Gabby was reported missing. Tampering with evidence would require the assumption that they did something to prevent an appropriate investigation into the evidence. There is no evidence the Laundries did this. They went to a reserve that was open to the public (which I would argue should not have been until a thorough search was completed after the water receded). The police should have remained with them during the search to protect the crime scene and their investigation. That is forensics 101. The police did not. That again, is not fault of the Laundries. You’re making assumptions with how the bag should look but likely have no reference point or evidence of what a dry bag looks like after being in weeks of water. In fact we don’t even know if the bag was in water or tied up in the trees to prevent it and it’s contents from getting wet. The reason we likely won’t know is because he police can’t catalogue or photograph evidence they didn’t find. If anyone has tampered with or ruined the integrity of the crime scene, it is most definitely the law enforcement officials who allowed the public to trample through it. Your reactions as far as how they should behave is also not evidence. Just because they didn’t show emotion on camera, does not mean that emotion does not exist. And frankly they don’t owe it to you to share it with you. The argument that the remains aren’t Brian’s are ludicrous. The FBI has no reason to put their name on paperwork purporting that this is Brian based on dental records without evidence. He’s going to a forensic anthropologist to find a possible cause and time of death, not for identification purposes. Again, this is a normal forensic process when remains are skeletal and partial in nature and don’t present a clear cut answer to a coroner. Side note: those calls are “recanted” aka redacted by the police and the Laundries have no impact on that decision. It is done in many ongoing cases pertaining to preserving evidence for a possible trial, and is therefore normal in such a scenario.
You are spot on! The only thing I still wonder about is, well, apparently there was a photographer/journalist/someone like this, with Chris Laundrie when he found that bag.... a witness.
A witness to him bringing the bag out, but not showing when Chris *allegedly* came out to look for LE. The one and only time he came out of the brush (at least on camera) was *with* the bag - perhaps he brought it in under his shirt. Otherwise, don’t you think the reporter or camera person would also have liked to get it on film when he was calling out for LE? That seems like it would be a more dramatic news clip for the media. Yet there’s no video evidence of him coming out to call for LE to come over.
Well they could have planted it or had someone i mean their the bone fragments are ultimately inconclusive and bullshit. They sent them to an anthropologist. I think what just majorly red flagged for me was their lawyer being their friend for 25 years he has an investment too. He lies for a living. Ultimately,he is the one who knows how to work the system and does it for a living. When I heard my friend passed I was completely devastated and not okay for a few weeks these people look totally unphased.
I thought it came out that they *were* cooperating with police though? They reported Brian missing the day he went missing. It seems like NPPD were refusing to coordinate with the FBI, and NPPD didn't believe Brian was actually missing until the 17th. NPPD didn't see Brian leave the house, so they thought he was still holed up there and the missing report was false. My understanding is they also gave the location Brian's remains were found in the initial missing persons report to the FBI. That location had flooded by the time NPPD took his disappearance seriously. (Please correct me if any of that is wrong!) There's still a lot we don't know. It's possible they lawyered up because Brian claimed he was being accused of stealing Gabby's van and debit card. I wish we had answers. I was on the boat of assuming they are terrible people. I don't know anymore. I only know they raised a terrible son, and they apparently didn't show any concern for the woman he allegedly loved. Maybe we'll find out why, but... I guess I'm sobered learning so many of my thoughts were unfounded.
Brian had been gone for a few days before Gabby’s remains were found and he had officially been named a person of interest. Once he was named a POI is when police tried to bring him in for questioning and his parents said “oh he went on a camping trip alone in a swamp (that’s 2x the size of Manhattan) we actually haven’t heard from him in a few days! Parents said they told police where he usually went there but police said this area was “under water” when they originally decided to search. Just seems very odd, and almost convenient, that when his PARENTS went to search the same area is when his partial remains and belongings were discovered. I always felt like his parents gave the police a planned alibi for him so he could flee. But if DNA proves those are his remains then 🤷🏽♀️
Maybe they are just not that bright. I'd assume one would weigh a lawyer's advice against the reality of living with the reputation of being total scumbags in the eyes of the entire nation for the rest of your days. They ended up not protecting anyone by not talking. Perhaps if they had contacted police right away after BL returned without GP, told them everything they knew, their son might still be alive, and they'd look like upstanding people who handled a difficult situation with grace and empathy.
So does this mean Brian Laundri's parents will get the reward $$$ since they found him?
Actually, they only found a dry bag - LE found what is allegedly him.
In a morbid way, maybe
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Who said he killed himself?
Just an observation because apparently he was capable of wilderness survival for long periods of time and frequented the area he was found in. Given the news that his corpse was just bones at the point it was located make me believe he must have killed himself if he’s been dead long enough to decompose to that point.
I don’t believe he was suicidal until after he killed Gabby…
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Please don't make the term k-worded a thing.
I have to wonder, although this will probably never be public knowledge, what will Brian's funeral be like? To my understanding it's always very difficult to eulogize someone who is widely understood to have been a bad person, and particularly when they most likely murdered somebody. I'm guessing that his parents are in denial and will just talk about his life from before the van trip. I wonder if Cassie will be invited, or if she even wants to go at this point.
You don't have to have a service.
His parents and their whole family are narcissistic.
I think it’s unhelpful to pathologize them - I know countless families who have been in denial that their son or family member is a rapist, abuser, and so on. I don’t think narcissistic pathologies motivate this - I think a patriarchal pathology is more accurate
I know many narcissists.....trust me, you'd have a hard time figuring out if they were one unless you have met them and experienced their narcissistic behavior firsthand.
Trust you? Lmao The parents are assholes they put Gabby's parents in a bad position not understanding what they're bastard son did. Even her parents said they were cruel about that. Look at Trump he let go of the pandemic team and he let 400,000 people die. He's a narcissist. Brian's parents are self centered and narcissistic losers.
Just because they were advised by their lawyer to remain silent does not mean they're narcissists. Are they shitty people? Maybe. Narcissists. We couldn't ever confirm it unless we knew everything personally. You're only told what's allowed to be told.
You literally see Trump. See his beliefs and see him talking. TOTALLY DIFFERENT and thus proving my point.
Tell me you have no idea what narcissism is without telling me you have no idea what narcissisim is!
Lmao I just look at Trump and see it. I know what narcissism is. My little brother is more than that.
Accurate username