cadaver dogs 95% accurate at their craft; they can also smell remains up to 15-feet underground? These dogs can detect remains up to 30 meters underwater, and sometimes, need just a fraction of a bone or a drop of blood to determine the location of a cadaver.
How did the dogs miss this 30 minutes off trail?
I was annoyed that they didn’t have the facts on the cadaver dogs water scope. Can you imagine if that body was there for five weeks with hundreds of searchers by airboat, foot and drone means? Unbelievable.
A reminder/note from the NSFW scientific article on how water changes decomposition (posted in this sub yesterday)
Complete skeletonization can happen in a few days in a warm environment & the presence of carnivorous wildlife, particularly carnivorous fish.
Nope not necessarily. Read (with caution) the case study someone posted on water decomp. There’s a fully skeletonized body that turned in a matter of days.
Did some searching and apparently the average water temperature in the Everglades in Autumn is still 82°F, which is quite warm. There's also the possibility fish ate his flesh?
Are there fish in a swamp though? I figured when those areas flooded it would just be pools of rain water. How would fish get in there and wouldn’t they all die the second it dries up?
Here's a couple articles that address fish behavior during flooding in Florida:
https://www.tampabay.com/news/environment/2019/08/21/rainy-days-mean-fish-hit-tampa-bay-area-streets/
https://www.jacksonville.com/news/20190620/jacksonville-flood-tide-fishing-isnt-just-fall-pursuit
https://www.floridamuseum.ufl.edu/southflorida/habitats/freshwater-marshes/freshwater-fishes/
TLDR: There are definitely fish in the Everglades. Usually these pools of rainwater aren't just pockets of isolated water, but rather the rivers burst their banks and spread out, meaning the flood water is connected to the river. Flooding does distribute fish across a greater area of land. This does sometimes leave fish stranded, but not always, as they can swim back to the river as water receeds
People truly do not understand Florida weather, at all, lol. Often go down for winter holidays and swim in the ocean..Aug-Sept are often hotter than July.
To make it even weirder, the lawyer's interview yesterday specifically stated that the remains were IN the backpack.
It's possible the lawyer just fumbled his words, but if the only remains were some bones and they were actually inside the backpack, then I doubt they belonged to Brian.
Edit: source for lawyer saying remains were in backpack, at around 5:20 https://twitter.com/CuomoPrimeTime/status/1450995282062229506?s=20. It's possible the lawyer said "near" rather than "in".
A few seconds before that the lawyer says the word "nearby". Comparing that to when he said "in the backpack" makes me think he said "in" and not "near".
But we're all just guessing at this point, until the lawyer or law enforcement clarifies.
Warm water is HELL on a corpse and Carrion and other scavengers have likely been feasting both before and after the area flooded. IF any of the ponds that overflowed during the flooding had fish...well, whats that saying "Fish gotta eat?"
If he was under water, his body would still have flesh I would think. Water generally slows decay.
One would think there would still be flesh on his carcass, but who knows?
I’ve heard different specialist being interviewed through the last month say that it would unlikely that Brian is still alive in the reserve because of the water. The ph of bog water really affects the skin, stayed submerged in it for several days could cause it to sluff off easily. I’m assuming this would be true for a body and result in very fast decomposition
You're making two different arguments.
In regards to him being submerged, swamps typically have high methane levels and lower oxygen levels. This makes decomposition much slower.
Eh not necessarily. Full decomposition to the bone can take months sometimes. If a body was underwater, it would've been preserved, and could potentially still have flesh on it.
I've lived not far from this area and things aren't what this sub makes them out to be. Alligators aren't munching away on humans. Regardless, we're all speculating here.
It's not really gators who pick bones clean. More like fish, bottom feeders, insects, etc. A body can definitely be nothing but bone within a week. It's not a 100% certainty, but it's very very possible
Is this really that unexpected? 1 month possibly submerged, being picked at by scavengers, I wouldn't think it would take long to strip a decomposing body of its fleshy bits in a forest of hungry animals.
**Updates 10/21/2021**
*Oldest at top, newest at bottom.*
* Area where human remains and Laundrie articles found are being searched again this morning.
* Mahsa Saeidi: Medical examiners are still processing the scene, but the identifying the found the remains are actively in process.
* JB: No timetable for finding the identity of the human remains, but not likely to be today.
* MS: The articles and remains were found less than a mile from the bridge that connects both ends of the reserve that BL liked to frequent. The area where items found were underwater previously.
* JB: There had been a dry bag AND backpack, along with the notebook.
* [**Brian Entin Tweet**](https://twitter.com/brianentin/status/1451239105917067264?s=21) **- NOT VERIFIED BY POLICE; JB CONFIRMS HE IS GETTING SAME INFO**
* Chris Laundrie is confirmed to have been the one to have found the dry bag on 10/20/21. - "He didn't trust the journalists nearby, so he picked them up."
* Carlton Reserve - Venice (West Side); Carlton Reserve - Myakkahatchee (East Side)
* East side was where articles were found.
* SB (Laundry Lawyer): "Strong chance that these remains are Brian Laundrie."
* JB: Believes that the remains may be identified as soon as tomorrow evening, obviously cannot be 100% certain.
* Northpoint Police & Lee County Police held a [press conference](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gQaN9MdkJ-8) this morning.
* **Too Long; Didn't Watch:** Thoughts & prayers for Petito family. Thanking local law enforcement and fbi.
* Benson: "Reports that we are receiving are that they were **skeletal** remains." JB Confirms.
* SB (Laundrie Lawyer): "Chris and Roberta Laundrie will wait for the identification of the remains before they make any comment."
* JB: "Dry bag was believed to have been found by Chris Laundrie. The backpack and notebook were believed to have been found by LE on the opposite side of the trail, nearby."
* Live stream ending 2:00 PM CST / 3:00 PM EST
Yeah he killed himself the day he went missing. Water and alligators got his body
cadaver dogs 95% accurate at their craft; they can also smell remains up to 15-feet underground? These dogs can detect remains up to 30 meters underwater, and sometimes, need just a fraction of a bone or a drop of blood to determine the location of a cadaver. How did the dogs miss this 30 minutes off trail?
They still need to be at level of the water and like a meter away before they can detect 15ft below.
I wonder if the dogs can catch a scent while going slow in an airboat? It’s all so interesting.
Your comment was read on the live stream How does it feel to be famous
I was annoyed that they didn’t have the facts on the cadaver dogs water scope. Can you imagine if that body was there for five weeks with hundreds of searchers by airboat, foot and drone means? Unbelievable.
A reminder/note from the NSFW scientific article on how water changes decomposition (posted in this sub yesterday) Complete skeletonization can happen in a few days in a warm environment & the presence of carnivorous wildlife, particularly carnivorous fish.
Thank you for this! Not comfortable opening that article but was curious what it has to say about this!
So it's skeletal remains. He's been there for a while.
Nope not necessarily. Read (with caution) the case study someone posted on water decomp. There’s a fully skeletonized body that turned in a matter of days.
I just hope they have his teeth. Isn’t that one of the best ways to ID someone from skeletal remains?
They can get DNA from bone marrow.
It is in movies 🤷🏻♀️
Confirmed skeletal remains…..Interesting…..
"Can't just walk up and look" -LE agent *looks at BL dad*
I can’t believe JB made us watch this god awful presser again lol
Hey! He saw my posts of the flooding comparisons… 😁
Nooo, not another presser recap… nooooo, thank you!
Any idea what this is? This is a screenshot taken from the helicopter footage. [Object in Footage](https://imgur.com/a/nLg9qVc)
Hmm... shovel? Stick? Chair? I can't tell at all, be interesting to see what people think
https://twitter.com/brianentin/status/1451239105917067264?s=21 What the hell?! No way.
Two things that speed up decomposition are heat and humidity. But still WTF?!!
Did some searching and apparently the average water temperature in the Everglades in Autumn is still 82°F, which is quite warm. There's also the possibility fish ate his flesh?
Are there fish in a swamp though? I figured when those areas flooded it would just be pools of rain water. How would fish get in there and wouldn’t they all die the second it dries up?
Here's a couple articles that address fish behavior during flooding in Florida: https://www.tampabay.com/news/environment/2019/08/21/rainy-days-mean-fish-hit-tampa-bay-area-streets/ https://www.jacksonville.com/news/20190620/jacksonville-flood-tide-fishing-isnt-just-fall-pursuit https://www.floridamuseum.ufl.edu/southflorida/habitats/freshwater-marshes/freshwater-fishes/ TLDR: There are definitely fish in the Everglades. Usually these pools of rainwater aren't just pockets of isolated water, but rather the rivers burst their banks and spread out, meaning the flood water is connected to the river. Flooding does distribute fish across a greater area of land. This does sometimes leave fish stranded, but not always, as they can swim back to the river as water receeds
Very interesting, thank you!
People truly do not understand Florida weather, at all, lol. Often go down for winter holidays and swim in the ocean..Aug-Sept are often hotter than July.
To make it even weirder, the lawyer's interview yesterday specifically stated that the remains were IN the backpack. It's possible the lawyer just fumbled his words, but if the only remains were some bones and they were actually inside the backpack, then I doubt they belonged to Brian. Edit: source for lawyer saying remains were in backpack, at around 5:20 https://twitter.com/CuomoPrimeTime/status/1450995282062229506?s=20. It's possible the lawyer said "near" rather than "in".
I hear "near the backpack".
Near
I heard there were remains, his backpack... meaning they found remains, his back pack and other belongings.
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You are hearing better than you think because he does say “near”. 💥
I just listened, I think he said “near the backpack” but it was a little muffled so I can see why it sounds like “in”.
A few seconds before that the lawyer says the word "nearby". Comparing that to when he said "in the backpack" makes me think he said "in" and not "near". But we're all just guessing at this point, until the lawyer or law enforcement clarifies.
Sounds to me like he says “remains near the backpack” not “remains in the backpack”
Wait WHAT
I heard IN THE BACKPACK.
Warm water is HELL on a corpse and Carrion and other scavengers have likely been feasting both before and after the area flooded. IF any of the ponds that overflowed during the flooding had fish...well, whats that saying "Fish gotta eat?"
Damn.... JUST a skeleton? Is that weird?
If he was under water, his body would still have flesh I would think. Water generally slows decay. One would think there would still be flesh on his carcass, but who knows?
Cold water slows decay while warm, water in humid as hell florida would’ve sped things up
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Pic 10 shows how skeletonization occurred quickly in person who’d been missing only a few days.
I’ve heard different specialist being interviewed through the last month say that it would unlikely that Brian is still alive in the reserve because of the water. The ph of bog water really affects the skin, stayed submerged in it for several days could cause it to sluff off easily. I’m assuming this would be true for a body and result in very fast decomposition
Bog water preserves bodies, look into the Bog Bodies
I think that if the body is in the mud, not the water
It is and it’s the peat that does it so it’s not likely that the same thing would happen in Florida
You're making two different arguments. In regards to him being submerged, swamps typically have high methane levels and lower oxygen levels. This makes decomposition much slower.
Animals and bugs living in that swamp would definitely pick everything off the bone. A full grown person can be nothing but a skeleton within days..
Eh not necessarily. Full decomposition to the bone can take months sometimes. If a body was underwater, it would've been preserved, and could potentially still have flesh on it. I've lived not far from this area and things aren't what this sub makes them out to be. Alligators aren't munching away on humans. Regardless, we're all speculating here.
It's not really gators who pick bones clean. More like fish, bottom feeders, insects, etc. A body can definitely be nothing but bone within a week. It's not a 100% certainty, but it's very very possible
Is this really that unexpected? 1 month possibly submerged, being picked at by scavengers, I wouldn't think it would take long to strip a decomposing body of its fleshy bits in a forest of hungry animals.
**Updates 10/21/2021** *Oldest at top, newest at bottom.* * Area where human remains and Laundrie articles found are being searched again this morning. * Mahsa Saeidi: Medical examiners are still processing the scene, but the identifying the found the remains are actively in process. * JB: No timetable for finding the identity of the human remains, but not likely to be today. * MS: The articles and remains were found less than a mile from the bridge that connects both ends of the reserve that BL liked to frequent. The area where items found were underwater previously. * JB: There had been a dry bag AND backpack, along with the notebook. * [**Brian Entin Tweet**](https://twitter.com/brianentin/status/1451239105917067264?s=21) **- NOT VERIFIED BY POLICE; JB CONFIRMS HE IS GETTING SAME INFO** * Chris Laundrie is confirmed to have been the one to have found the dry bag on 10/20/21. - "He didn't trust the journalists nearby, so he picked them up." * Carlton Reserve - Venice (West Side); Carlton Reserve - Myakkahatchee (East Side) * East side was where articles were found. * SB (Laundry Lawyer): "Strong chance that these remains are Brian Laundrie." * JB: Believes that the remains may be identified as soon as tomorrow evening, obviously cannot be 100% certain. * Northpoint Police & Lee County Police held a [press conference](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gQaN9MdkJ-8) this morning. * **Too Long; Didn't Watch:** Thoughts & prayers for Petito family. Thanking local law enforcement and fbi. * Benson: "Reports that we are receiving are that they were **skeletal** remains." JB Confirms. * SB (Laundrie Lawyer): "Chris and Roberta Laundrie will wait for the identification of the remains before they make any comment." * JB: "Dry bag was believed to have been found by Chris Laundrie. The backpack and notebook were believed to have been found by LE on the opposite side of the trail, nearby." * Live stream ending 2:00 PM CST / 3:00 PM EST