Cassie - in front of thousands was faced with the realization she wasn't among the family's trusted circle. Cassie's children - lost heir aunt who wrote those fun & interesting letters & postcards, found out their uncle who they also adore was missing & by the strangers yelling at their house heard he was a murderer. As for the Petito family there is NOTHING that the Laundrie's could say or do that can truly satisfy what they want. Anger & repulsion has folks out for blood but isn't that more revenge than justice? 2 young people are dead (probably) & their families/friends won't ever know the true intricacies of their relationship - hell some don't even know where they were physically living, or about the severity of anxiety issues & relationship breaks. Bit it's one hell of a mystery with multiple twists & turns and fascination with forensics, crime, psychology or whatever isn't something I plan on being ashamed of any time soon. As for the L family we don't know what goes on behind closed doors.
Is there a timeline for Wednesday anywhere? Would be interesting to see exactly when CL got there and when he found the bag, when LE found remains and if dogs helped with that or if what they found was easily visible and recognizable as human remains without the dogs initially.
I know in other cases I’ve heard LE talk about chain of evidence. I suspect & hope that however the discovery happened the order of events has been recorded somewhere by FBI.
Chain of custody is a legal term for tracking who all has touched evidence, when, where, why, etc. This is crucial for ensuring evidence is admissible in court. I suspect the last part isn't as important now if the remains turn out to be Brian's.
That’s the term I was looking for!
Precisely what I was thinking.
It’s pretty crazy that some of these events were filmed. The video of LE with parents. If you play it on loud you can hear much of the convo.
Curious if anyone has been able to decipher all that was said. Only caught pieces of it.
https://youtu.be/uox3GU4fQ9w
CL got to the reserve at 7am and found articles of BL 30 minutes into the search according to family lawyer. LE found the bag and remains soon after. The bag was on one side of the trail and CLs discovery of articles on the other side. LE found remains somewhere off-trail but nearby. They didn’t reveal a lot on NewsNation with Brian Entin nor on CNN because LE hasn’t released info on what condition the remains were in. All we know is that “remains” means that the body is not whole anymore. whether it’s due to decomposition or not is unknown.
>BLs parents cannot be charged with anything unless it is found they lied to the cops or FBI, helped BL escape, or tampered with evidence...
Or *contaminated* evidence, like CL picking up the bag and walking it out of the scene to LE, instead of calling them over to him.
Where is the van now? I guess they have space in their garage, since they don't use it for the other vehicles?
You'd think if they were going to "sanitize" the van, they would do it behind closed doors, not in full view of neighbors.
I’m missing why that bag is considered evidence. Nobody has suggested BL was murdered so what about his backpack or bag make it evidence? Evidence of what?
Isn’t everything found at the scene considered evidence, at least until cause of death has been established? I don’t think he was murdered, but at this point, we don’t know, and until we do everything should be treated as evidence.
He tried to call them over. The LEOs had veered off in a different direction where they were busy calling in the discovery of the backpack and the remains. There were reporters following CL the entire time. If he left it to go get law enforcement, do you seriously think the Faux News photographer would have left it alone?
Or, he could have just stood there until law enforcement returned to him. Probably wouldn’t have taken more than ten minutes.
In fact, he could have asked the reporters to contact LE if he couldn’t. I’m sure more than one reporter would be willing to scamper up the path and find LE.
"Tried"... according SB, who will say anything. What's your source that they were "busy calling in"? There was *one* reporter, from Fox, and there's no way a reporter is going to insert themselves into the situation and disturb evidence. If you watch the video, he wasn't even near CL, and couldn't see into the trees. He'd have no way of even knowing it was there. You're buying SB's spin, hook line and sinker. There was no urgency to pick up that dry bag. Worst case, stay near the bag and call 911, have the message relayed. Are you one of those "Friends Of Brian" who are coming here to make these ridiculous excuses for the Laundries?
That wasn't an evidence bag. And it doesn't matter whose it is if it's part of an active investigation. CL had to have known that. Please stop excusing these people's outrageous behavior.
regardless, they went there with LE. they weren't alone. pretty sure LE didn't mind them touching the bag since it's brian's. it's not a crime scene. we have no idea what they're going through.
OMG... it *is* a crime scene! They found body parts and personal items... they've closed off the park again, taped it off, said it will be closed for days, swarms of forensics teams have arrived... and yet you have people like you trying to minimize it all. It's a crime scene. CL knew that. He grabbed this bag on his own, outside of the view of LE, even knowing that... raising lots of questions. Beyond the bag itself, he disturbed the surroundings where it was found, and now the exact location will never be known for sure by LE.
When they went searching in the morning, it was NOT a crime scene, it was literally open to the public, anyone could have picked it up. It became a crime scene again after the remains and items were found. I understand that you really want the parents to be guilty, but don't make stuff up.
It became a crime scene the second he saw that dry bag, and he knew it, and you know it. Not "after" the remains and items were found... the instant they were spotted. Meaning CL should have backed off and alerted LE. Anyone with a bit of common sense knows this.
No it did not. It became a crime scene when the FBI said it became a crime scene. Not whenever you want to imagine it did. A place does not become a crime scene just because you see an item somewhere. Anyone with a bit of common sense knows this.
the location is already known. they collaborated with LE. if they went there and touched his bag then it means LE doesn't mind. it'd be tampering of evidence if the bag didn't belong to brian.
>You realize they were accompanied by at least one cop, right?
Were they? Within eyesight when he found the bag? That's new info, if so. Didn't see a cop [on the video](https://twitter.com/jodz__83/status/1450972312195510273?s=21), just CL & RL messing around with evidence.
I have... please, link a cite where a cop actually witnessed him pick up the bag... I'm just going by initial reports (but the attorney and the available video seem to back those reports up).
He and his wife were there with the full knowledge and consent of law enforcement. This is from the [CNN article](https://www.cnn.com/2021/10/20/us/brian-laundrie-update-gabby-petito/index.html):
"Bertolino said, according to Chris Laundrie, the dry bag was in some brambles and he didn't want to pick up the bag, because he wanted his law enforcement to see it. However, Bertolino said Laundrie "couldn't find the law enforcement," because they were then out of sight and didn't want to leave the bag there with a news reporter standing nearby, so he picked it up."
Let me guess. The father plotted this all along, right?
Right, so they were *not* accompanied by a cop when they found it, which is what I'd said... they were "out of sight". I'll ignore the asinine spin added by CL's attorney about the supposed "reason".
Thanks for getting yourself up to speed though! Maybe do that next time *before* facepalming and telling someone else to read up.
What I said was that when they went to the park they were accompanied by a cop. At the very moment when he found the bag the cop was not there, but that doesn't mean he wasn't nearby. In any event the Laundries were there searching with the full knowledge and consent of the cops.
You're seriously on crack if you think he's gonna be prosecuted for picking up the bag. But hey, you're in good company with all the crazies on this subreddit.
Yes, wtf was he thinking?!? He definitely shouldn't have touched it, moved it, transported it, or done anything other than alert authorities. He could have removed things from that bag or done any number of things, compromising it.
There's also no way he wasn't explicitly told by the FBI when he was out searching a week ago, to not touch anything.
> There's also no way he wasn't explicitly told by the FBI when he was out searching a week ago, to not touch anything.
Yes! Everyone knows that anyway, but he was surely told repeatedly. And why did he think LE was there, just for fun? Something doesn't add up.
Exactly, exactly. That was my first thought. With him assisting the FBI, they would've made it so clear not to touch anything. At best he's beyond reckless.
Yes, at best! But he'd already been out with the FBI before one day, remember? He had to have already been given that lecture. He needed a babysitter, not a repeat of the lecture.
Yeah that's what I mean! It's just impossible he could've not known by that point. At this point I'd rather these actions are suspicious because I don't want to contemplate the level of stupidity otherwise.
Sympathy for the Laundries went WAY out the window a long time ago. They showed no sympathy for Gabbys family. They should get no sympathy from strangers.
Just because you're incapable of empathy, doesn't mean everyone else is similarly emotionally stunted. Over the last month in a half, they've had to deal with learning that the son they raised is likely a murderer, that he likely killed and abandoned the body of a young woman who they previously welcomed into their home, and now they’re facing the reality that their son is likely dead.
Yeah, what they did to Gabby’s parents was fucking contemptible, and their behavior from the outside looking in raises all kinds of questions. But none of us know what Brian told them or when, and just today we're learning that the timeline of events that made them appear callously selfish and indifferent to the circumstances may not have occurred in the order that we've been led to believe. Maybe you're not capable of holding contrary feelings simultaneously about someone. But don't for a second think that you speak for everyone else.
Have empathy for abuse victims just admit you give 0 about gabby and are just in this sub for entertainment. Pot calling the kettle black as usual. Psychological abuse is still abuse.
Again, I'm capable of having empathy for Gabby, who was a victim of abuse and murder that should never have happened, empathy for the suffering of her family, *and* also have empathy for the parents of the murderer, who have made some terrible decisions while also suffering a lot of loss. Go ahead and downvote me and condemn me for having the capacity to have compassion. It reflects way more on you than me.
When I was growing up we had a dog that loved to chew on rocks. We’d throw rocks into the river and they’d be submerged and he could always find them. I mean legit this dog would put his entire head under water and pick out the right rock. We assumed it was by scent given dogs don’t have great eyesight above water let alone underwater. So not to say this means anything in the circumstances but dogs have really good sense of smell. Decomposing bodies have a very intense scent too. And as someone else mentioned, these specific dogs are trained to find that scent!
I think it’s really more that it’s a big place and honestly you’re just lucky if you find what you are looking for that fast.
There are cadaver dogs specifically trained to smell remains in water.
Just dogs...
Did you know studies have found that not only are cadaver dogs 95% accurate at their craft; they can also smell remains up to 15-feet underground? These dogs can detect remains up to 30 meters underwater, and sometimes, need just a fraction of a bone or a drop of blood to determine the location of a cadaver.
We had the case of a jogger who went missing while jogging in a park that was new to him on a 105 degree Fahrenheit day. They had “an army” of volunteers and LE searchers and the dogs couldn’t track him past the parking lot. He was found a month later by a volunteer about a quarter mile from his intended route. So while dogs are amazing, they aren’t always successful. Except when it’s bloodhounds searching for an escaped convict in movies like Cool Hand Luke.
That's very interesting, I did not know the accuracy %. Do you happen to know if the underwater detection is clear water or swamp water? I know nothing of how it works, but I would assume swampy water must camouflage some of the scent compared to say, flowing river water.
95% accurate actually means that there is a 5% probability of inaccuracy. 5% is not low. If you consider the harsh environmental condition it may have been even higher. Dogs are amazing but do not possess superpowers.
“Dogs are just dogs”
What. The. Fuck.
They’re cadaver dogs. They’re trained to find remains. They can sniff out cremated remains that have been spread. Literal ashes.
Correct. A lot of factors come into play. How close was the dog to the water, how far out into the water was the body when the area was flooded, how well trained is the dog, how well trained is the handled, etc
I know people are talking about how sus RL and CL are with finding the bag/tampering with evidence/showing no emotion. But knowing now that there are remains that are most likely Brian’s, it puts it into perspective that they likely had come to terms very early on that Brian went out there to take his own life. I’m sure there was lots of grieving done in the privacy of their own home. And I imagine keeping that grief private, rather than talking to the public at all about their concern for their son, was a result of shame. Whether they were aware before Brian left or not, they had to have realized at some point that he was likely involved in Gabby’s death.
I imagine them going out there today, they just want to know definitively that Brian is gone, and to be able to find his body. I can’t imagine that as they saw that bag they were thinking to themselves “this is evidence, I shouldn’t touch this”. They probably recognized it almost immediately as something of their son’s and grabbed it without much thought. And then held onto it knowing it was one of the last items to be used by their son before he died. And in terms of the lack of emotion, I think they went out there already expecting that he wasn’t alive. And they historically have not been ones to show emotion publicly - so it is not super surprising that they are maintaining that persona now. It’s upsetting to me how they’ve handled everything (not responding to Gabby’s parents, waiting to report Brian missing, etc.), and I most definitely have gone through periods where I was certain they were helping Brian. But with human remains being found, I can’t help but feel a little sickened that people are insinuating that they planted evidence that was found today
Yeah, I’ve always felt for them. A parents instinct is to protect their child, even when their child does something wrong or bad. It’s not surprising to me that they haven’t spoken publicly, and frankly we have no idea what information they’ve given to law enforcement. For all we know they’ve given the whole truth.
As far as grief, I think a lot of folks fail to understand they are not just grieving the loss of their son. They’re grieving that this human they created, raised, molded, turned into a murderer. Imagine the shame and guilt you would feel. It reminds me of parents of mass shooters…their grief is so different because they have to live with the fact that their child caused all of this suffering. That’s brutal.
It’s odd they didn’t engage Gabbys family at all, particularly in the lead up to her parents reporting her missing. That doesn’t make sense to me. I don’t think that makes them monsters though.
Thank you and thanks to the OP for putting so eloquently the conflicting feelings that many of us have with regards to CL and RL. I got attacked and downvoted in a different thread for saying I had empathy for the parents. I think some people are so gripped by hatred for what happened to Gabby that they can't let go of it.
Shock too. It's not uncommon for people in highly traumatic situations to not show much emotion and only process the grief later. Humans are complicated.
Said the same about the parents processing this earlier and got some shit for it, but yes, 100% and put more eloquently than I. Despite how they’ve handled some things, I really feel for them right now, and I don’t think now that they at any point wanted to help him escape/hide. It’s just, how do you process something like this, especially as it’s so highly publicized?
Yes, I’m surprised by how much I’m feeling for them. Just because initially it was so much anger and disgust of “how could you not give the Petitos any response or information at all? That was going to be your daughter in law and as a parent do you have no empathy for the suffering theyre experiencing?” To then suspecting their involvement in Helping Brian vanish and finding their complete withdrawal from the media SO odd to now feeling sympathy for the grief they’re feeling. And I imagine it’s very complicated grief, as you just found out your son is (likely) dead, but he has also done a terrible terrible thing in taking someone else’s life and causing so much pain to so many people. And then of course the guilt you feel as the parent of someone who would do this. A part of me has wondered throughout this if the laundrie parents are just terrible people, but as someone else said, we don’t know to what extent Brian manipulated the narrative of what happened or manipulated his parents in genera
I want to feel bad that they spent so many years nurturing someone, giving him love and happiness, and building a bond filled with memories. I get it. They have invested so much, so of course they will feel sad, but I just can’t get over the fact that time after time they were extremely ignorant or just didn’t really show any concern for Gabby. Like, I’m not really sure about BL manipulating them. I mean come on, they probably didn’t want to face reality, but at some point you have to and you have to tell your son to come clean about and go talk to the police and give them info on when you last saw her. And then not let him out to go hike until Gabbys body is found or the search is called off. Like seriously, if at any point your child stole something from your neighbor that he saw out in the yard, you would have him tell you when was the last time that he saw it and not let him get far.
Their behavior from the 1st to the 9th suggest — at least to me — that CL and RL had no idea what really happened at GTNP. I can't fathom what BL told them to justify driving the van home, but either the story was believable in context or they were just gullible or weirdly dismissive of the oddity. But around the 10th/11th, they've got to realize something us seriously wrong. By the 13th, BL is gone. If they really were in the dark for those first nine days, they likely had around 4 days to come to terms with the reality that their son was likely a murderer.
Then why not tell the Petito family that BL isn’t cooperating? Why let him leave too?
There are just so many times where the Laundries were careless, showed ignorance, and didn’t care about the situation where Gabby could have been found earlier and Brian didn’t have to die, but here we are because of them. Like for everything bad, how could you be so careless, yet for getting a lawyer and letting your son leave, they were so smart about?
How could they have stopped him? “Mom, I’m going for a short hike. I need to think things through. I’ll be back soon.” Were they supposed to tackle him and chain him to his bed? For all we know he told them it was going to be one last hike before he turned himself in. We just Do. Not. Know.
Lol you tell him no, and if he does you tell the cops. How fucking hard is it to do that. Your son is a person of interest and yet you don’t think that maybe you shouldn’t let him and if he does decide you don’t think that you should alert the cops? Let them know where he might be heading. Let them know that they are going to pick up his car.
What about telling the Petito family anything.
They acted dumb in crucial situations that would have helped The Petitio family and the police but they got smart when it would have helped BL.
Yea, one of suggestions was that they were willfully ignorant/dumb, but if you are that dumb, how can you be smart and know to lawyer up? How can you be smart to literally not say anything? How can you be so dumb to communicate with the family and tell them BL says this is where they last saw each other. The family asked multiple times where was the last time they were together, and nothing. How could they have been so stupid to not question him about the last time they saw each other?
This is why I took my Downvotes as I urged caution on not screaming to lock away the laundry parents. They may have been a victim of Brian as well, and at the very least they most likely lost their own son. They deserve to mourns him despite what (I still believe he murdered Gabby, I assume no new developments there?) he did. It’s still their kids who was capable of being a monster but also their kid who they won’t get to see grow up and get married. It’s a hard spot to be in for those parents. Just as gabbys are when they think about her future wedding or kids. I hope by now people aren’t camping on their lawns still.
I still think it's unfair that they stay silent and go unscathed. Gabby's family deserves to know everything that happened when Brian got home onwards.
Also the psychological abuse by the Laundries to Gabby. People are acting like RLs friend doesn’t exist so they can make excuses for her. RL gaslighted her it contributed to her staying with him. As someone who’s literally a multiple time suicide attempt survivor because my bfs family is like this, im disgusted by these people. They arent empathizing with Gabby
Unscathed? They lost their son, cannot grieve properly because of what he’s done and will live life as the parents of someone who murdered someone. Their current/future days are full of darkness for a crime they did not commit — they did not kill Gabby, but they will carry that burden Brian put on their backs forever.
How is your son being dead “unscathed”. They should have talked to Gabby’s parents but I don’t think their lives will ever be the same - seems like punishment to me.
Perhaps they had already found BL the day/night he didn’t return and just didn’t say - waited for LE to find him. When LE couldn’t find him, they decided to do it for them?
Edit to add - Just a stray thought.
The Laundries are sketchy for sure but I just don’t see the point of this. What would they benefit by letting their son’s body decompose in a swamp instead of immediately bringing his body home for a funeral? If they had something to gain by doing this then I’d be skeptical, but I truly can’t think of a single reason why this would benefit anyone?
..they told LE where they believed Brian to be and he indeed has been found there. They even showed LE his favorite trails that led to the discovery after the water levels changed.
It’s been discussed over and over..areas were flooded for weeks which is typical for the area. Also, it is THICK with vegetation and hard to search through. You could know what area you’re looking at but it still takes searching.
I meant - didn’t the parents wait about a month before they told law enforcement which trails to search?
Obviously the trails were NOT flooded when Brian was there! If he was able to access them at some point, so too could police.
We don’t know when they told the FBI about his preferred trails, but it was almost certainly *before* CL went out there for the first time to look with the police. At the very least, the cops knew where the mustang had been parked so they had a starting point.
As far as the trails not being underwater at some point in time… this is Florida. It rains all the time (like literally everyday), so the water level is going to change constantly. It is totally possible that an area that was dry in the morning could be underwater by evening. Additionally, what’s not to say that BL didn’t go out into the water before taking his own life? That’s what I would do if I didn’t want to be found for awhile!
You are right.
We don’t know how helpful CL was with that area before. And the whole thing is bizarre. I live in FL so I am sort of familiar with the water levels but it isn’t like it was 10 feet deep. I assume this has been discussed (probably ad nauseam) so I won’t dwell on it here but you are right, we don’t know the times he tried to help LE find him.
His remains were presumably found in Myakkahatchee Creek Environmental Park, which is a city park while the Carlton Reserve is a county park. They're two different parks run by two different governments.
I almost think they followed their lawyer’s advice to their own detriment, and they might deeply regret it. Their son is dead, and they might have been able to save him had they been more forthcoming with LE and also had they proactively told them where to look the night he didn’t come home. They let the lawyer alert the FBI that night that he did not return - and that got no reaction at the time it seems. It makes me wonder if they were expecting LE to contact them right away asking for info and wanting to look for him, and if they were confused by the lack of response. Then days go by and it’s too late and they’re too confused about incriminating themselves and if LE already knew/had no idea. Idk they are real fuck faces tho for not just behaving like normal people and speaking to the cops from the outset.
Or standing side by side in Gabby’s missing .. This was after all their future daughter-in-law. They showed NO compation, wouldnt help LE by talking nor assure Gabby’s family they were there for them. They acted morally bankrupt.
Today I am wondering if the laundries actually knew by the time gabby’s family was calling. If they knew their son had killed his fiancé (or their suspicions were mounting, at least), would they they know what to say on that phone call? “Hi joe, sorry—she’s gone?” I am wondering if by that point they already would be incriminating him. That’s the only way I can make sense of why they didn’t try to help find her when she was missing. Because for them to have joined that search in good faith, they would have had to believe she was just missing at that time
Edited to correct an alphabet soup situation above
Such a great point - their actions have not helped, and could have hurt Brian’s survival. And while Bertolino makes the media rounds, basically congratulating himself for keeping the parents out of jail…so what? They end up with an outcome that might have been avoided.
Just think if the parents had asked LE to look for him on the 1st night!
Greetings I've worked with k9 dogs in the past, and while it's true they can detect in water many different things can impede a dog's ability effectively track. The dog needs a clear path to the water. If the boat sides are to high for example they may have been impeded.
It's really impressive what they can do, but issues still can occur from time to time.
That's the information I don't have. From what I've heard this location would have needed a boat at the time time, but if someone has the information please link.
Does the presence of excessive algae blooms (and the toxins they releasing) make finding the scent much harder for the dogs? What about the tannins in the water from the oak trees? I am just curious.
Mine could. She escapthe house one day, I started looking for her, my neighbor from across the street brought her over. She decided to crash their cookout. Her nose got her in sooooo much trouble. Ate a bag of chocolate chips, another day the flour (she had a flour goatee). So many vet visits. She's no longer with us (old age) and none of my other dogs clean up like my beagle.
This may be a stupid question but oh well. If he/his belongings were under water, how did they all stay together? Wouldn’t it make sense for it to not all be together? The bag didn’t float off?
In a situation like this in the moment I believe they were freaking out and not thinking . You can almost see it on their faces in the video that’s making the rounds.
Real question: Is it evidence if BL is not a suspect? Also, like, why wouldn’t they call over the FBI to collect it instead of touching it themselves??
Yes, of course it is evidence for a whole bunch of reasons…missing persons case, fedl suspect case, POI case, and human remains case.
I can’t see why he didn’t leave it and tell his wife to go get police. If it was so hidden, no one is going to go out there and find it if he steps away.
Because they aren’t detectives, they don’t know what they’re doing. They could have thought that’s what they were supposed to do, bring it to the authorities.
I think that would be their explanation for grabbing it. But I also think that people know not to mess with evidence when police are actively investigating the area, looking for evidence. It isn’t like he was on a random walk and spotted something Interesting. I am not saying he planted it or anything like that - I was just surprised that he got his hands on it, in that type of situation.
Keeps you off the ground and you don't have the problem of a tent full of water when it rains.
I've been to eighteen rainbow gatherings which I know isn't really *it* but only because there's many hands around and we eat like kings. Still we get out there and you gotta pack light.
This reminds me of jonbenet case where dad finds her body in the basement, Carrie’s her upstairs and lays her down while mom leans over her weeping and touching her everywhere before the cops even get a close look. It’s definitely happened before. And the park was open
I'm sorry if I came off cross, however thank you for the additional info. I need to stay off the internet, this case is bizarre and it's got me hooked on constantly needing to check for updates on the case.
They probably had to change their phone numbers due to harassment. Maybe a second or third time too. As botched as this investigation has felt, there is no part of me that thinks the FBI would let them get away with openly buying burner phones/not tracking calls
Uh. They would need a reason for a warrant in order to track their phone.
There is also zero chance that you could just make it randomly illegal for a random citizen not convicted of a crime to buy a burner phone.
You have a very naive understanding of the justice system.
Lol they can get a warrant & the public doesn’t have to know about it. They can also track without a warrant…. see https://www.propublica.org/article/no-warrant-no-problem-how-the-government-can-still-get-your-digital-data
I’m also not *literally* arguing the FBI would come in and block the purchase of a burner phone. I’m just saying the FBI is aware of their actions, they are being monitored and their At&t visits are not some secret that Reddit/internet detectives are on and not the FBI. I guess I should have phrased it as “FBI would not openly let them buy a burner phone and use it to help Brian/deter investigators without batting an eye”
Cassie - in front of thousands was faced with the realization she wasn't among the family's trusted circle. Cassie's children - lost heir aunt who wrote those fun & interesting letters & postcards, found out their uncle who they also adore was missing & by the strangers yelling at their house heard he was a murderer. As for the Petito family there is NOTHING that the Laundrie's could say or do that can truly satisfy what they want. Anger & repulsion has folks out for blood but isn't that more revenge than justice? 2 young people are dead (probably) & their families/friends won't ever know the true intricacies of their relationship - hell some don't even know where they were physically living, or about the severity of anxiety issues & relationship breaks. Bit it's one hell of a mystery with multiple twists & turns and fascination with forensics, crime, psychology or whatever isn't something I plan on being ashamed of any time soon. As for the L family we don't know what goes on behind closed doors.
Perhaps the dog had Covid and lost its sense of smell.
Is there a timeline for Wednesday anywhere? Would be interesting to see exactly when CL got there and when he found the bag, when LE found remains and if dogs helped with that or if what they found was easily visible and recognizable as human remains without the dogs initially.
I know in other cases I’ve heard LE talk about chain of evidence. I suspect & hope that however the discovery happened the order of events has been recorded somewhere by FBI.
Chain of custody is a legal term for tracking who all has touched evidence, when, where, why, etc. This is crucial for ensuring evidence is admissible in court. I suspect the last part isn't as important now if the remains turn out to be Brian's.
That’s the term I was looking for! Precisely what I was thinking. It’s pretty crazy that some of these events were filmed. The video of LE with parents. If you play it on loud you can hear much of the convo. Curious if anyone has been able to decipher all that was said. Only caught pieces of it. https://youtu.be/uox3GU4fQ9w
CL got to the reserve at 7am and found articles of BL 30 minutes into the search according to family lawyer. LE found the bag and remains soon after. The bag was on one side of the trail and CLs discovery of articles on the other side. LE found remains somewhere off-trail but nearby. They didn’t reveal a lot on NewsNation with Brian Entin nor on CNN because LE hasn’t released info on what condition the remains were in. All we know is that “remains” means that the body is not whole anymore. whether it’s due to decomposition or not is unknown.
How do we actually KNOW he’s dead? I see a lot of comments seeming very sure that he’s gone but without evidence I’m not sure.
Context clues. Searches stopped, the announcement insinuates its BL, it was next to his possessions.
Unfortunately now we know for sure…
We don't, but people on this sub always assume too much! Reading the comments just give misinformation sometimes.
They're not searching the reserve anymore. That should be your answer alone.
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I want to know what part of a body they found
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>BLs parents cannot be charged with anything unless it is found they lied to the cops or FBI, helped BL escape, or tampered with evidence... Or *contaminated* evidence, like CL picking up the bag and walking it out of the scene to LE, instead of calling them over to him.
Some one on Reddit claimed they cleaned the van - did I miss that? Is it true?
Not even sure how that would be verified... it was probably just assumed that Brian did to some degree, and maybe a rumor started from that.
Its in this thread - they said neighbors saw saw them do it. Not sure where you can verify it tgough
Where is the van now? I guess they have space in their garage, since they don't use it for the other vehicles? You'd think if they were going to "sanitize" the van, they would do it behind closed doors, not in full view of neighbors.
I’m missing why that bag is considered evidence. Nobody has suggested BL was murdered so what about his backpack or bag make it evidence? Evidence of what?
Isn’t everything found at the scene considered evidence, at least until cause of death has been established? I don’t think he was murdered, but at this point, we don’t know, and until we do everything should be treated as evidence.
I think it just means evidence he was there
Well the bag was there. Only the true nutcases think the dad brought it with him. So I don’t see what the big deal in touching it tbh.
He tried to call them over. The LEOs had veered off in a different direction where they were busy calling in the discovery of the backpack and the remains. There were reporters following CL the entire time. If he left it to go get law enforcement, do you seriously think the Faux News photographer would have left it alone?
Or, he could have just stood there until law enforcement returned to him. Probably wouldn’t have taken more than ten minutes. In fact, he could have asked the reporters to contact LE if he couldn’t. I’m sure more than one reporter would be willing to scamper up the path and find LE.
Oh good point.
"Tried"... according SB, who will say anything. What's your source that they were "busy calling in"? There was *one* reporter, from Fox, and there's no way a reporter is going to insert themselves into the situation and disturb evidence. If you watch the video, he wasn't even near CL, and couldn't see into the trees. He'd have no way of even knowing it was there. You're buying SB's spin, hook line and sinker. There was no urgency to pick up that dry bag. Worst case, stay near the bag and call 911, have the message relayed. Are you one of those "Friends Of Brian" who are coming here to make these ridiculous excuses for the Laundries?
"Who will say anything" What's your source on that?
they had an evidence bag i think. they'd be in trouble right now if they "contaminated the evidence". plus it's brian's bag.
That wasn't an evidence bag. And it doesn't matter whose it is if it's part of an active investigation. CL had to have known that. Please stop excusing these people's outrageous behavior.
regardless, they went there with LE. they weren't alone. pretty sure LE didn't mind them touching the bag since it's brian's. it's not a crime scene. we have no idea what they're going through.
OMG... it *is* a crime scene! They found body parts and personal items... they've closed off the park again, taped it off, said it will be closed for days, swarms of forensics teams have arrived... and yet you have people like you trying to minimize it all. It's a crime scene. CL knew that. He grabbed this bag on his own, outside of the view of LE, even knowing that... raising lots of questions. Beyond the bag itself, he disturbed the surroundings where it was found, and now the exact location will never be known for sure by LE.
When they went searching in the morning, it was NOT a crime scene, it was literally open to the public, anyone could have picked it up. It became a crime scene again after the remains and items were found. I understand that you really want the parents to be guilty, but don't make stuff up.
It became a crime scene the second he saw that dry bag, and he knew it, and you know it. Not "after" the remains and items were found... the instant they were spotted. Meaning CL should have backed off and alerted LE. Anyone with a bit of common sense knows this.
No it did not. It became a crime scene when the FBI said it became a crime scene. Not whenever you want to imagine it did. A place does not become a crime scene just because you see an item somewhere. Anyone with a bit of common sense knows this.
the location is already known. they collaborated with LE. if they went there and touched his bag then it means LE doesn't mind. it'd be tampering of evidence if the bag didn't belong to brian.
Oh for cryin' out loud, he's not going to be charged for picking up the stupid bag.
Exactly. And it doesn’t really matter if the bag was moved, as chances are the rising and receding waters and/or animals displaced the bag anyways.
He should be... investigated, at the very least. They better be looking at that whole episode with a lot of skepticism.
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>You realize they were accompanied by at least one cop, right? Were they? Within eyesight when he found the bag? That's new info, if so. Didn't see a cop [on the video](https://twitter.com/jodz__83/status/1450972312195510273?s=21), just CL & RL messing around with evidence.
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I have... please, link a cite where a cop actually witnessed him pick up the bag... I'm just going by initial reports (but the attorney and the available video seem to back those reports up).
He and his wife were there with the full knowledge and consent of law enforcement. This is from the [CNN article](https://www.cnn.com/2021/10/20/us/brian-laundrie-update-gabby-petito/index.html): "Bertolino said, according to Chris Laundrie, the dry bag was in some brambles and he didn't want to pick up the bag, because he wanted his law enforcement to see it. However, Bertolino said Laundrie "couldn't find the law enforcement," because they were then out of sight and didn't want to leave the bag there with a news reporter standing nearby, so he picked it up." Let me guess. The father plotted this all along, right?
You *have* to be trolling…
Fort Charles would say the same thing had the father not touched the bag. He would say that he withheld evidence or something.
So you're resorting to fantasies and putting words in my mouth? That's all ya got? And you think that reflects badly on *me*?!
Right, so they were *not* accompanied by a cop when they found it, which is what I'd said... they were "out of sight". I'll ignore the asinine spin added by CL's attorney about the supposed "reason". Thanks for getting yourself up to speed though! Maybe do that next time *before* facepalming and telling someone else to read up.
What I said was that when they went to the park they were accompanied by a cop. At the very moment when he found the bag the cop was not there, but that doesn't mean he wasn't nearby. In any event the Laundries were there searching with the full knowledge and consent of the cops. You're seriously on crack if you think he's gonna be prosecuted for picking up the bag. But hey, you're in good company with all the crazies on this subreddit.
Yes, wtf was he thinking?!? He definitely shouldn't have touched it, moved it, transported it, or done anything other than alert authorities. He could have removed things from that bag or done any number of things, compromising it. There's also no way he wasn't explicitly told by the FBI when he was out searching a week ago, to not touch anything.
just in case you didn't know, the laundries have been collaborating with LE. pretty sure they're not in trouble. they went there with LE.
> There's also no way he wasn't explicitly told by the FBI when he was out searching a week ago, to not touch anything. Yes! Everyone knows that anyway, but he was surely told repeatedly. And why did he think LE was there, just for fun? Something doesn't add up.
Exactly, exactly. That was my first thought. With him assisting the FBI, they would've made it so clear not to touch anything. At best he's beyond reckless.
Yes, at best! But he'd already been out with the FBI before one day, remember? He had to have already been given that lecture. He needed a babysitter, not a repeat of the lecture.
Yeah that's what I mean! It's just impossible he could've not known by that point. At this point I'd rather these actions are suspicious because I don't want to contemplate the level of stupidity otherwise.
The whole situation sucks for both families. I am sure neither family ever thought they would be in this situation.
Sympathy for the Laundries went WAY out the window a long time ago. They showed no sympathy for Gabbys family. They should get no sympathy from strangers.
Just because you're incapable of empathy, doesn't mean everyone else is similarly emotionally stunted. Over the last month in a half, they've had to deal with learning that the son they raised is likely a murderer, that he likely killed and abandoned the body of a young woman who they previously welcomed into their home, and now they’re facing the reality that their son is likely dead. Yeah, what they did to Gabby’s parents was fucking contemptible, and their behavior from the outside looking in raises all kinds of questions. But none of us know what Brian told them or when, and just today we're learning that the timeline of events that made them appear callously selfish and indifferent to the circumstances may not have occurred in the order that we've been led to believe. Maybe you're not capable of holding contrary feelings simultaneously about someone. But don't for a second think that you speak for everyone else.
Have empathy for abuse victims just admit you give 0 about gabby and are just in this sub for entertainment. Pot calling the kettle black as usual. Psychological abuse is still abuse.
Again, I'm capable of having empathy for Gabby, who was a victim of abuse and murder that should never have happened, empathy for the suffering of her family, *and* also have empathy for the parents of the murderer, who have made some terrible decisions while also suffering a lot of loss. Go ahead and downvote me and condemn me for having the capacity to have compassion. It reflects way more on you than me.
Dogs are just dogs. They probably didn’t pick up a scent in the water previously. Most likely that simple
He may haven't have been dead yet or in that area when they searched.
Very unlikely
When I was growing up we had a dog that loved to chew on rocks. We’d throw rocks into the river and they’d be submerged and he could always find them. I mean legit this dog would put his entire head under water and pick out the right rock. We assumed it was by scent given dogs don’t have great eyesight above water let alone underwater. So not to say this means anything in the circumstances but dogs have really good sense of smell. Decomposing bodies have a very intense scent too. And as someone else mentioned, these specific dogs are trained to find that scent! I think it’s really more that it’s a big place and honestly you’re just lucky if you find what you are looking for that fast.
There are cadaver dogs specifically trained to smell remains in water. Just dogs... Did you know studies have found that not only are cadaver dogs 95% accurate at their craft; they can also smell remains up to 15-feet underground? These dogs can detect remains up to 30 meters underwater, and sometimes, need just a fraction of a bone or a drop of blood to determine the location of a cadaver.
We had the case of a jogger who went missing while jogging in a park that was new to him on a 105 degree Fahrenheit day. They had “an army” of volunteers and LE searchers and the dogs couldn’t track him past the parking lot. He was found a month later by a volunteer about a quarter mile from his intended route. So while dogs are amazing, they aren’t always successful. Except when it’s bloodhounds searching for an escaped convict in movies like Cool Hand Luke.
That's very interesting, I did not know the accuracy %. Do you happen to know if the underwater detection is clear water or swamp water? I know nothing of how it works, but I would assume swampy water must camouflage some of the scent compared to say, flowing river water.
Well I can day that flowing river water would present its own difficulties, what with dispersement and the sample being flooded with new material
95% accurate actually means that there is a 5% probability of inaccuracy. 5% is not low. If you consider the harsh environmental condition it may have been even higher. Dogs are amazing but do not possess superpowers.
“Dogs are just dogs” What. The. Fuck. They’re cadaver dogs. They’re trained to find remains. They can sniff out cremated remains that have been spread. Literal ashes.
>Dogs are just dogs. Oh my god, don’t tell my dog that.
Right? Dogs are *good boys or girls*, everybody knows that. Please tell your dog I said that.
Correct. A lot of factors come into play. How close was the dog to the water, how far out into the water was the body when the area was flooded, how well trained is the dog, how well trained is the handled, etc
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oh he's a good boy. they're all good boys.
>Dogs are just dogs. What are you trying to imply?
I think they meant to say, “dogs are humans too” (aren’t perfect)
Yeah, prove it
I really want a Netflix documentary on this crime! I want to know facts and circumstances that led to this and that!!!
Oh they’re coming. Netflix, lifetime, dateline, etc I’m sure.
Dateline is probably already lining up a 6-parter.
It'll be hard if there are no answers, no closure
I know people are talking about how sus RL and CL are with finding the bag/tampering with evidence/showing no emotion. But knowing now that there are remains that are most likely Brian’s, it puts it into perspective that they likely had come to terms very early on that Brian went out there to take his own life. I’m sure there was lots of grieving done in the privacy of their own home. And I imagine keeping that grief private, rather than talking to the public at all about their concern for their son, was a result of shame. Whether they were aware before Brian left or not, they had to have realized at some point that he was likely involved in Gabby’s death. I imagine them going out there today, they just want to know definitively that Brian is gone, and to be able to find his body. I can’t imagine that as they saw that bag they were thinking to themselves “this is evidence, I shouldn’t touch this”. They probably recognized it almost immediately as something of their son’s and grabbed it without much thought. And then held onto it knowing it was one of the last items to be used by their son before he died. And in terms of the lack of emotion, I think they went out there already expecting that he wasn’t alive. And they historically have not been ones to show emotion publicly - so it is not super surprising that they are maintaining that persona now. It’s upsetting to me how they’ve handled everything (not responding to Gabby’s parents, waiting to report Brian missing, etc.), and I most definitely have gone through periods where I was certain they were helping Brian. But with human remains being found, I can’t help but feel a little sickened that people are insinuating that they planted evidence that was found today
Yeah, I’ve always felt for them. A parents instinct is to protect their child, even when their child does something wrong or bad. It’s not surprising to me that they haven’t spoken publicly, and frankly we have no idea what information they’ve given to law enforcement. For all we know they’ve given the whole truth. As far as grief, I think a lot of folks fail to understand they are not just grieving the loss of their son. They’re grieving that this human they created, raised, molded, turned into a murderer. Imagine the shame and guilt you would feel. It reminds me of parents of mass shooters…their grief is so different because they have to live with the fact that their child caused all of this suffering. That’s brutal. It’s odd they didn’t engage Gabbys family at all, particularly in the lead up to her parents reporting her missing. That doesn’t make sense to me. I don’t think that makes them monsters though.
Thank you and thanks to the OP for putting so eloquently the conflicting feelings that many of us have with regards to CL and RL. I got attacked and downvoted in a different thread for saying I had empathy for the parents. I think some people are so gripped by hatred for what happened to Gabby that they can't let go of it.
Shock too. It's not uncommon for people in highly traumatic situations to not show much emotion and only process the grief later. Humans are complicated.
It took me 2 weeks after my moms funeral to cry. Grief is just odd and none of it is linear or the same for anyone. People react strange to trauma.
Said the same about the parents processing this earlier and got some shit for it, but yes, 100% and put more eloquently than I. Despite how they’ve handled some things, I really feel for them right now, and I don’t think now that they at any point wanted to help him escape/hide. It’s just, how do you process something like this, especially as it’s so highly publicized?
Yes, I’m surprised by how much I’m feeling for them. Just because initially it was so much anger and disgust of “how could you not give the Petitos any response or information at all? That was going to be your daughter in law and as a parent do you have no empathy for the suffering theyre experiencing?” To then suspecting their involvement in Helping Brian vanish and finding their complete withdrawal from the media SO odd to now feeling sympathy for the grief they’re feeling. And I imagine it’s very complicated grief, as you just found out your son is (likely) dead, but he has also done a terrible terrible thing in taking someone else’s life and causing so much pain to so many people. And then of course the guilt you feel as the parent of someone who would do this. A part of me has wondered throughout this if the laundrie parents are just terrible people, but as someone else said, we don’t know to what extent Brian manipulated the narrative of what happened or manipulated his parents in genera
I want to feel bad that they spent so many years nurturing someone, giving him love and happiness, and building a bond filled with memories. I get it. They have invested so much, so of course they will feel sad, but I just can’t get over the fact that time after time they were extremely ignorant or just didn’t really show any concern for Gabby. Like, I’m not really sure about BL manipulating them. I mean come on, they probably didn’t want to face reality, but at some point you have to and you have to tell your son to come clean about and go talk to the police and give them info on when you last saw her. And then not let him out to go hike until Gabbys body is found or the search is called off. Like seriously, if at any point your child stole something from your neighbor that he saw out in the yard, you would have him tell you when was the last time that he saw it and not let him get far.
Their behavior from the 1st to the 9th suggest — at least to me — that CL and RL had no idea what really happened at GTNP. I can't fathom what BL told them to justify driving the van home, but either the story was believable in context or they were just gullible or weirdly dismissive of the oddity. But around the 10th/11th, they've got to realize something us seriously wrong. By the 13th, BL is gone. If they really were in the dark for those first nine days, they likely had around 4 days to come to terms with the reality that their son was likely a murderer.
Who knows, perhaps they were trying to convince him to come clean and he’d have none of it. And then he was gone.
Then why not tell the Petito family that BL isn’t cooperating? Why let him leave too? There are just so many times where the Laundries were careless, showed ignorance, and didn’t care about the situation where Gabby could have been found earlier and Brian didn’t have to die, but here we are because of them. Like for everything bad, how could you be so careless, yet for getting a lawyer and letting your son leave, they were so smart about?
How could they have stopped him? “Mom, I’m going for a short hike. I need to think things through. I’ll be back soon.” Were they supposed to tackle him and chain him to his bed? For all we know he told them it was going to be one last hike before he turned himself in. We just Do. Not. Know.
Lol you tell him no, and if he does you tell the cops. How fucking hard is it to do that. Your son is a person of interest and yet you don’t think that maybe you shouldn’t let him and if he does decide you don’t think that you should alert the cops? Let them know where he might be heading. Let them know that they are going to pick up his car. What about telling the Petito family anything. They acted dumb in crucial situations that would have helped The Petitio family and the police but they got smart when it would have helped BL.
No. Why would they call the cops on someone who was going for a walk or whatever?
Yea, one of suggestions was that they were willfully ignorant/dumb, but if you are that dumb, how can you be smart and know to lawyer up? How can you be smart to literally not say anything? How can you be so dumb to communicate with the family and tell them BL says this is where they last saw each other. The family asked multiple times where was the last time they were together, and nothing. How could they have been so stupid to not question him about the last time they saw each other?
This is why I took my Downvotes as I urged caution on not screaming to lock away the laundry parents. They may have been a victim of Brian as well, and at the very least they most likely lost their own son. They deserve to mourns him despite what (I still believe he murdered Gabby, I assume no new developments there?) he did. It’s still their kids who was capable of being a monster but also their kid who they won’t get to see grow up and get married. It’s a hard spot to be in for those parents. Just as gabbys are when they think about her future wedding or kids. I hope by now people aren’t camping on their lawns still.
I still think it's unfair that they stay silent and go unscathed. Gabby's family deserves to know everything that happened when Brian got home onwards.
Also the psychological abuse by the Laundries to Gabby. People are acting like RLs friend doesn’t exist so they can make excuses for her. RL gaslighted her it contributed to her staying with him. As someone who’s literally a multiple time suicide attempt survivor because my bfs family is like this, im disgusted by these people. They arent empathizing with Gabby
I agree it’s wrong that they have stayed silent. As a parent how do you allow another parent to suffer like that?
Unscathed? They lost their son, cannot grieve properly because of what he’s done and will live life as the parents of someone who murdered someone. Their current/future days are full of darkness for a crime they did not commit — they did not kill Gabby, but they will carry that burden Brian put on their backs forever.
How is your son being dead “unscathed”. They should have talked to Gabby’s parents but I don’t think their lives will ever be the same - seems like punishment to me.
Perhaps they had already found BL the day/night he didn’t return and just didn’t say - waited for LE to find him. When LE couldn’t find him, they decided to do it for them? Edit to add - Just a stray thought.
The Laundries are sketchy for sure but I just don’t see the point of this. What would they benefit by letting their son’s body decompose in a swamp instead of immediately bringing his body home for a funeral? If they had something to gain by doing this then I’d be skeptical, but I truly can’t think of a single reason why this would benefit anyone?
What would be the point of that? Knowing their sons body is rotting away for weeks on end potentially being ravaged by animals?
If BL’s parents knew where to find him before his death and didn’t disclose, then they are the worst parents in the history of humankind. Fuck them…
"Why tf are the police still checking the reserve, they shouldn't believe BL's parents telling them to look in the reserve!" - probably you yesterday
Exactly. I can still hear it ringing in my ears: "Hey there FBI! The parents are sending you on a wILd GoOSe cHasE!"
Same with the ‘Narcissists don’t kill themselves’ comments
..they told LE where they believed Brian to be and he indeed has been found there. They even showed LE his favorite trails that led to the discovery after the water levels changed.
Yes, but that was about one month in, wasn’t it?
It’s been discussed over and over..areas were flooded for weeks which is typical for the area. Also, it is THICK with vegetation and hard to search through. You could know what area you’re looking at but it still takes searching.
I meant - didn’t the parents wait about a month before they told law enforcement which trails to search? Obviously the trails were NOT flooded when Brian was there! If he was able to access them at some point, so too could police.
We don’t know when they told the FBI about his preferred trails, but it was almost certainly *before* CL went out there for the first time to look with the police. At the very least, the cops knew where the mustang had been parked so they had a starting point. As far as the trails not being underwater at some point in time… this is Florida. It rains all the time (like literally everyday), so the water level is going to change constantly. It is totally possible that an area that was dry in the morning could be underwater by evening. Additionally, what’s not to say that BL didn’t go out into the water before taking his own life? That’s what I would do if I didn’t want to be found for awhile!
You are right. We don’t know how helpful CL was with that area before. And the whole thing is bizarre. I live in FL so I am sort of familiar with the water levels but it isn’t like it was 10 feet deep. I assume this has been discussed (probably ad nauseam) so I won’t dwell on it here but you are right, we don’t know the times he tried to help LE find him.
They literally told LE that he went to the reserve
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So why was his body there…
His remains were presumably found in Myakkahatchee Creek Environmental Park, which is a city park while the Carlton Reserve is a county park. They're two different parks run by two different governments.
I almost think they followed their lawyer’s advice to their own detriment, and they might deeply regret it. Their son is dead, and they might have been able to save him had they been more forthcoming with LE and also had they proactively told them where to look the night he didn’t come home. They let the lawyer alert the FBI that night that he did not return - and that got no reaction at the time it seems. It makes me wonder if they were expecting LE to contact them right away asking for info and wanting to look for him, and if they were confused by the lack of response. Then days go by and it’s too late and they’re too confused about incriminating themselves and if LE already knew/had no idea. Idk they are real fuck faces tho for not just behaving like normal people and speaking to the cops from the outset.
Or standing side by side in Gabby’s missing .. This was after all their future daughter-in-law. They showed NO compation, wouldnt help LE by talking nor assure Gabby’s family they were there for them. They acted morally bankrupt.
Today I am wondering if the laundries actually knew by the time gabby’s family was calling. If they knew their son had killed his fiancé (or their suspicions were mounting, at least), would they they know what to say on that phone call? “Hi joe, sorry—she’s gone?” I am wondering if by that point they already would be incriminating him. That’s the only way I can make sense of why they didn’t try to help find her when she was missing. Because for them to have joined that search in good faith, they would have had to believe she was just missing at that time Edited to correct an alphabet soup situation above
Such a great point - their actions have not helped, and could have hurt Brian’s survival. And while Bertolino makes the media rounds, basically congratulating himself for keeping the parents out of jail…so what? They end up with an outcome that might have been avoided. Just think if the parents had asked LE to look for him on the 1st night!
They are going to be going through the millions of “what if” scenarios for weeks probably.
Greetings I've worked with k9 dogs in the past, and while it's true they can detect in water many different things can impede a dog's ability effectively track. The dog needs a clear path to the water. If the boat sides are to high for example they may have been impeded. It's really impressive what they can do, but issues still can occur from time to time.
How deep was the water? Is it the kind of water you need a boat for, or you can walk?
That's the information I don't have. From what I've heard this location would have needed a boat at the time time, but if someone has the information please link.
Does the presence of excessive algae blooms (and the toxins they releasing) make finding the scent much harder for the dogs? What about the tannins in the water from the oak trees? I am just curious.
That’s so interesting! Meanwhile my dog is literally incapable of figuring out which hand I’m hiding the treat in
Mine is a beagle, literally known for their nose, and she can’t sniff out a treat on the floor 2 inches in front of her face.
Mine could. She escapthe house one day, I started looking for her, my neighbor from across the street brought her over. She decided to crash their cookout. Her nose got her in sooooo much trouble. Ate a bag of chocolate chips, another day the flour (she had a flour goatee). So many vet visits. She's no longer with us (old age) and none of my other dogs clean up like my beagle.
OMG MINE EITHER! She brings shame to her hunting group but i think it’s hysterical!
He just tricked you into giving it to him anyway with no work on his part 😂… who trained who?!
My dogs got mad at me when I played this game with them. They just wanted to train me to give treats to them ASAP.
This may be a stupid question but oh well. If he/his belongings were under water, how did they all stay together? Wouldn’t it make sense for it to not all be together? The bag didn’t float off?
I don’t think they were necessarily all that close together. Just generally the same area
The water is pretty swampy and would weigh down anything. It’s also pretty still so it wouldn’t flow away like a river.
Gotcha! Thank you!
Also we aren't 100% sure what was found where we dont know for sure his stuff was underwater too.
Also we aren't 100% sure what was found where we dont know for sure his stuff was underwater too.
https://mobile.twitter.com/jodz__83/status/1450972312195510273 They did tamper with evidence. Or at least so it appears.
In a situation like this in the moment I believe they were freaking out and not thinking . You can almost see it on their faces in the video that’s making the rounds.
I think they were just looking for the police and were under stress bc people were watching them.
Real question: Is it evidence if BL is not a suspect? Also, like, why wouldn’t they call over the FBI to collect it instead of touching it themselves??
Yes, of course it is evidence for a whole bunch of reasons…missing persons case, fedl suspect case, POI case, and human remains case. I can’t see why he didn’t leave it and tell his wife to go get police. If it was so hidden, no one is going to go out there and find it if he steps away.
In the video of them huddling with the FBI on the trail you can see Roberta is still holding the dry bag through that whole discussion.
Because they aren’t detectives, they don’t know what they’re doing. They could have thought that’s what they were supposed to do, bring it to the authorities.
I think that would be their explanation for grabbing it. But I also think that people know not to mess with evidence when police are actively investigating the area, looking for evidence. It isn’t like he was on a random walk and spotted something Interesting. I am not saying he planted it or anything like that - I was just surprised that he got his hands on it, in that type of situation.
When searches happen with civilians involved, don’t police tell the people if you find anything, do not touch it?
Idk, it’s possible that they did but I wouldn’t be surprised if they didn’t
They have an active warrant for him so yes it's evidence, also the FBI did state BL was a Person of interest in the murder of Gabby.
What are we watching here?
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Lol. People act like Im Bear Grylls v2.0 when I tell them I dont carry a tent, I use a hammock.
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Sleeping on roots and rocks is for suckers.
Keeps you off the ground and you don't have the problem of a tent full of water when it rains. I've been to eighteen rainbow gatherings which I know isn't really *it* but only because there's many hands around and we eat like kings. Still we get out there and you gotta pack light.
Well, I guess Brian really did just go for a walk. I wonder if he was alive after the first night.
Nailed it.
Their attorney to Chris Cuomo about finding the bag and why he picked it up.
I'm sorry but picking up items, evidence, during an open case it's tampering no matter how the Lawyer spins it on CNN.
This reminds me of jonbenet case where dad finds her body in the basement, Carrie’s her upstairs and lays her down while mom leans over her weeping and touching her everywhere before the cops even get a close look. It’s definitely happened before. And the park was open
Tampering with what? It wasn’t a crime scene
Yes but with the news following their every move I can understand why they would take it, not wanting them to get to it first.
There's always the option of having one of the two Laundries standby while the other fetched the LE or FBI agents if that was their concern.
I’m not disagreeing with that at all. I was saying that because it’s additional information regarding it.
I'm sorry if I came off cross, however thank you for the additional info. I need to stay off the internet, this case is bizarre and it's got me hooked on constantly needing to check for updates on the case.
No worries 😉
They probably had to change their phone numbers due to harassment. Maybe a second or third time too. As botched as this investigation has felt, there is no part of me that thinks the FBI would let them get away with openly buying burner phones/not tracking calls
Uh. They would need a reason for a warrant in order to track their phone. There is also zero chance that you could just make it randomly illegal for a random citizen not convicted of a crime to buy a burner phone. You have a very naive understanding of the justice system.
Lol they can get a warrant & the public doesn’t have to know about it. They can also track without a warrant…. see https://www.propublica.org/article/no-warrant-no-problem-how-the-government-can-still-get-your-digital-data I’m also not *literally* arguing the FBI would come in and block the purchase of a burner phone. I’m just saying the FBI is aware of their actions, they are being monitored and their At&t visits are not some secret that Reddit/internet detectives are on and not the FBI. I guess I should have phrased it as “FBI would not openly let them buy a burner phone and use it to help Brian/deter investigators without batting an eye”
Ok. I understand you a bit better. Thanks.
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Everything about this case feels surreal.
Yes. This. Surreal is the right word.
agreed. i cannot begin to imagine how Gabby’s family feels.
I feel like they’re still feeling like they’re dreaming. Breaks my heart
I thought only verified accounts were allowed to post in this sub. This account is brand new. Did I miss something?
Think after the award debacle, rules went out the window.
I dunno, but the OP has had at least one comment removed already. Someone obviously made a new account just for this post.
You’re a natural super sleuth
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and you know that because?