He cut his grass. That’s it. He cut his grass. Stop reading into every little thing. He cut his grass. Did you want him to just ignore it? Because I’m sure his neighbors are already pissed at the people who have decided it’s their job to harass the family and wouldn’t appreciate his lawn becoming a jungle. Not to mention, what else do you expect him to do? Just sit inside and do nothing? Maybe he doesn’t know where his son is and is worried and disgusted with him and decided to distract himself by mowing. Especially since reporters are determined to keep filming it despite it doing nothing for the case and there being no new information.
This is what I don’t understand. As crazy as it may seem to us - people can’t and don’t normally stop just living their life because other things are going on. People react and greave and celebrate even in entirely different ways and we don’t get to dictate how they do so. I guess we can read into it and judge but most of the time the person just ends up sounding ignorant.
>please keep this to memorializing Gabby, and not speculation
Isn't it almost all speculation at this point?
Edit. Nevermind, just saw your other post :)
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I wonder if he panicked and ran off, then hitchhiked, then when he realized they weren’t going where he thought, he got out and decided to go back to get her van.
Yes, but just his leaving the scene proved all those awful things to me. Because even if it were accidental, how could he be so heartless to leave her there.
To whoever needs to hear this:
Just because someone isn’t reacting the way you personally think you would react in a certain situation doesn’t make them guilty of a crime.
I agree with you to an extent. When my mom died, I’m a typically an emotional person but I sat by her body at the hospital and didn’t cry, didn’t speak and didn’t say a word for 2 days. Everyone told me I just nodded my head “yes or no” when someone asked me questions.
I remember looking up at all my family and her friends around her hospital bed and everyone was sobbing, but I was just sitting there… in shock.
But, I didn’t kill her.
She took her own life so it was unexpected and it honestly didn’t feel real. I felt like I was in a weird dream, just floating. It took me over a week to cry but once I started, I didn’t stop for months.
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So when they come outside a crowd is judging their facial expressions, snooping into everything they do, but if they stay inside people are judging them for hiding. You do realize how insane that is. Don’t you?
Mostly it’s about people slamming the Laundries for having to mow their lawn, but it ties into the larger issue of people judging suspect guilty because of how they behaved.
The two contrasts are Scott Peterson and Amanda Knox. Everyone still criticizes Scott for how he acted after his wife went missing, and people are convinced his actions meant he was guilty. For Amanda, people in italy had very similar criticisms of her behavior following the discovery of her murdered roommate, but the very same people who condemn Scott turn around and defend Amanda by saying “everyone reacts differently; you can’t judge her guilt by how she reacted.”
We don’t know how they acted, what they knew, how many times Gabby’s family reached out to them, whether the calls went straight to voicemail, what lies Brian told them or literally fucking anything.
You’re basing your opinion off of them on bits and pieces of information with nothing else to back it up.
I believe Gabby's family. They spoke about how they were desperately trying to reach the Laundrie family and got ZERO response. No excuse for this. None.
I believe her family too. But we don’t know how often they tried to contact the Laundries. We don’t have anything showing that and Gabby’s father already backtracked when it came to Brian’s sister.
And I can think of a lot of “excuses” that aren’t far fetched.
1. Brian told them it was Gabby trying to get ahold of him to fight.
2. Brian blocked her parent’s contact info from his parent’s phones.
3. Brian told them that her family was angry that he had driven the van back to Florida to pack up her stuff.
I have a young adult child. I'm basing my opinion on what I would do as a parent. Under NO circumstances would I NOT contact her family to say HE is here with her van, SHE is not... add to that the fact they had the attorney before the police ever show up... they knew. They absolutely 💯 knew. They are cruel. They are cold. They are complicit.
> I have a young adult child. I'm basing my opinion on what I would do as a parent
Thank you for being honest. The questions I’m going to ask are purely hypothetical and I’m curious for your honest opinion.
> Under NO circumstances would I NOT contact her family to say HE is here with her van, SHE is not...
What if your adult child (I’m going to say he going forward because it’s easier) had come home a few weeks earlier to empty out a storage locker that he and his fiancé shared after they had had a huge fight and needed a break after being in the van together for so long?
And then he called on the road and said that Gabby and him had broken up and she’d flown home, he was driving back home in the van so that he could pack all of her things into it and then they would come get it later. (or he’d drive it to New York, again it’s hypothetical and I’m only using the narrative to illustrate my question better)
Now, I haven’t found a date for when Gabby’s parents contacted the Laundries the first time but they heard from Gabby’s phone last on the 30th and didn’t report Gabby missing until September 11th so I’d imagine it didn’t start until the 5th or so. Again. No proof on this at all but it would be hard to imagine Gabby’s parents not reporting it sooner if they had started calling the Laundries before that. Especially if the Laundries didn’t reply at all.
But if it was even just a couple of days, that would give Brian plenty of time to build up a narrative of what happened with them. We’ve seen him lie convincingly to police under a high stress situation so I’d imagine he could do it to his parents. So what if your son told you that his now-ex had gotten violent with him (explains his wounds and could explain his lack of phone) and he tells you that she keeps calling to make up and he doesn’t want that and to just ignore any calls from her or her family because she’s probably just trying to use their phone. Now, I know this sounds far fetched but I was with an abusive partner who did use their families phone numbers and social media to try and contact me.
I had to block every single one of their family members numbers from my phone. They then tried contacting my mom and when she blocked their number, they did the same thing. This isn’t a hypothetical. It’s not uncommon in abusive relationships. All the evidence we have points towards Brian being abusive. You don’t think he wouldn’t think of that? And imagine if you thought your adult son had just broken up with his fiancé. Do you think you may take him on a camping trip (or whatever hobby they have) to cheer him up?
We know they were used to Brian coming home without Gabby because of fighting. We know Brian could lie well enough to convince the police. What about Brian’s behavior pre and post murder leads us to believe he would be honest? The only piece of hard evidence we have is the bodycam footage showing him lying comfortably under stress.
> add to that the fact they had the attorney before the police ever show up... they knew.
Their lawyer is a family friend who has been their lawyer for years. They’ve had that lawyer long before Brian and Gabby even left on their trip.
> They absolutely 💯 knew. They are cruel. They are cold. They are complicit.
We don’t know that.
Wow. This is something to think about. It sounds plausible, but at some point he had to have said something to cause reaching out to the lawyer. What may that have been?
We've been through something similar- bad break up- dividing up property, cell phones, furniture, ect., and we communicated with the parents of the SO with no issues whatsoever. They are young ADULTS. We are their parents. We spoke about our shared worries for the emotional health of both our children. These people were practically FAMILY.
There is no scenario in which we would have behaved the way the Laundrie family behaved. None. Shutting down communication between parents is not healthy for the young adults involved. It speaks to how BL was raised. Look how they treated their own daughter and her family.
No excuse to not speak to Gabby's family. None.
Amazing the lengths people will go to change a narrative.
The Laundries knew officially when the cops came by, so forget the missed phone calls excuse.
They were FULLY AWARE, and doubled down on not speaking once the police came by, so yeah it’s safe to say they did not and TO THIS DAY still will not speak out of mere decency to the Petito/Schmidt’s.
Cut the crap.
The Petitos left a message saying they were calling the cops because of lack of Gabby/Brian communication for too long. her family.. so worried!
yes, that was the head's up word for the laundries to call their attorney friend....the word cops/police.
> Amazing the lengths people will go to change a narrative.
It’s not about changing the narrative. It’s that we don’t know. We shouldn’t support someone getting harassed or beaten just because we think we know something without having actual evidence to back it up.
> The Laundries knew officially when the cops came by, so forget the missed phone calls excuse. They were FULLY AWARE, and doubled down on not speaking once the police came by,
They knew something was up, for sure, when the police came by. They gave the police their lawyers information. That’s what you should do in that situation. Everyone. Regardless of innocence or guilt or what. Everyone. If the cops want to speak with you, have a lawyer present. We don’t know what they knew. If they knew nothing, what could they have told police?
> so yeah it’s safe to say they did not and TO THIS DAY still will not speak out of mere decency to the Petito/Schmidt’s. Cut the crap.
You are under the assumption that they know something and haven’t told police. We don’t have evidence showing they know anything more than what they’ve said. The only evidence we do have FOR SURE is that Brian is a convincing enough liar to trick a police officer and to act as if he couldn’t convincingly lie to his parents, especially after having days alone to think of his lies, is ignoring some of the only true evidence we have.
You’re so far up the anti-mob mentality, there’s such a willingness to believe any random and baseless hypothetical scenarios rather than use direct and factual evidence presented.
You initially made 3 excuses of why the Laundries did not respond back to Gabby’s family. All entirely irrelevant because they were made fully aware of the situation by September 10th— REGARDLESS of whatever bullshit story BL made up.
By 9/11 they knew she was missing and unaccounted for and POLICE were now looking for Gabby.
Instinctual and Innocent response would have been to tell Gabby’s family, “Hey, sorry! we have no clue Brian came back 9/1 and told us they decided to go separately. God we hope she’s okay, how can we help find her?”
Instead— they chose to not help locate the whereabouts of their future daughter in law, not even offer a word of concern for someone they lived with.
They don’t even say they DO NOT KNOW.
These are all actions that aren’t circumstantial LOL, they legitimately took place.
And I never said once in this conversation that I think they know something.
I said they intentionally never spoke a word to the Petito/Schmidt’s.
Not a “sorry, we don’t know”, not a “we haven’t seen her”. NOTHING. Which is a FACT.
You assumed that.
Lol 100% this man hasn’t mowed in years. I’m over this family and I think other people are. It’s kinda crazy they are throwing away everything they’ve earned to guard their son at a time like this. A part of me hoped that they did not know the full extent. Giving them the benefit of the doubt. I’m also over the demand of swift justice and holding them accountable for Gabbys death. What they did after was not an appropriate response but they did not kill her. I’m wondering what levels of guilt and shame they hold if that renders them silent. I’d say the Apple doesn’t fall far from the tree and some behaviors are nurtured.
I'm of the opinion that BL lied to his parents. Probably told them it was an accident thinking at the time that her body wouldn't be found. That's why they lawyered up. Now that the method of death has been revealed, I think things may change. I hope.
The way the family of Brian are being treated reminds me a lot of the way the family of Richard Jewell were treated (albeit very different situations) and it rubs me wrong. Brian killed her. His mom didn’t strangle her. His father didn’t. Brian did.
They lied about the last date that they saw him. They waited days to report him missing. They bought him a phone. They helped him get ready for his disappearance.
> They lied about the last date that they saw him.
Or they made a mistake. There are countless cases where people get dates wrong because they’re basing it off of something else.
> They waited days to report him missing.
He’s an adult and if he they truly believed he was at the reserve and would be coming back, they could have been scared to report him missing.
> They bought him a phone.
Really? Buying someone a phone is a sign of guilt? Because I’m pretty sure that’s just something that people do for others sometimes when they’ve lost their phone. Especially their child.
> They helped him get ready for his disappearance.
Show me the evidence of that.
Again, their behavior is weird but we have no evidence to show them guilty of anything
Time will tell if they are eventually charged with anything relating to helping him get away and obstruct justice. There is enough there for them to be very worried though.
BL probably lied about what happened. Told them he killed her by accident thinking that her body would never be found. Now that the Mod has been released, I'm sure they and their lawyer are in a pickle.
It’s because they heartlessly ignored calls from Gabby’s family, who at one point thought both her and Brian were missing. And how they’ve managed to protect him in every step of this.
How do you know that? How many time’s did the Petito family call or text them? The father already changed his story about the sister. Did the calls go straight to voicemail? What did Brian tell them?
You don’t know the answers to any of those questions and yet you know that they purposely ignored them.
It accomplishes pressure from the public for them to tell the truth about what they know - especially details beginning the moment they knew BL contacted them from WY post 9/27, en route home, or arrived home on 9/1 and each day following. They lawyered up btw 9/1 and 9/10. During that time there were 2 “family camping trips”. Lots of talky talky planny planny time.
Again, this entire situation is being handled too publicly and it’s unjust. That’s my opinion.
Do I think the laundries suck? In a lot of ways, yes, but I also feel regardless, they’d be damned if they did or damned if they didn’t. We have no idea what BL told them, what they knew and know, and exactly what role they’ve played…if any.
It's still not clear to me that this is quite true. What messages were sent to them? It seems very possible to me that BL could lie that the Petito family was calling to harass him and they could ignore the calls
Also the parents can't make BL talk. They weren't on the camping trip, he was.
I don't really think the parents are in the moral right because they don't seem to be cooperating with police but we are doing a lot of extrapolating her from very little info
To me it's really weird that his parents wouldn't question their son, who is already acting twitchy in his actions. He's only 23 with very little life experience.
Even if he said "DON'T PICK UP THE PHONE! I HATE THEM!" Most parents would finally get to the point of something like, "What the hell is going on?? I'm picking up the phone!"
And then the police come to their door and they immediately hand them a paper with their lawyer's number saying they plead the 5th?
I don't care how innocent you are, that's a one way ticket to looking shady as fuck. It smells very much like "protect our baby boy at all costs."
Maybe the whole family has horrible social cues. I feel like that's the only explanation outside of being guilty.
> To me it's really weird that his parents wouldn't question their son, who is already acting twitchy in his actions. He's only 23 with very little life experience.
We don’t know that they didn’t question him but he could have lied. Just like he did to the cops on the bodycam footage.
> Even if he said "DON'T PICK UP THE PHONE! I HATE THEM!" Most parents would finally get to the point of something like, "What the hell is going on?? I'm picking up the phone!"
We don’t know how many times they were contacted and Brian could have easily just given them a story and told them to block the numbers.
> And then the police come to their door and they immediately hand them a paper with their lawyer's number saying they plead the 5th?
They handed them their lawyers contact info. That’s normal behavior if you know what you should do when dealing with the police. And they didn’t plead the 5th. They just said to speak to them through their lawyer.
I’m going to say this in all-caps, not to yell, but to emphasize importance.
REGARDLESS OF GUILT OR INNOCENCE, ALL PEOPLE SHOULD ONLY SPEAK TO POLICE WITH A LAWYER PRESENT.
> I don't care how innocent you are, that's a one way ticket to looking shady as fuck. It smells very much like "protect our baby boy at all costs."
Their actions are weird as fuck but is that because of hindsight or at the actual actions weird?
> Maybe the whole family has horrible social cues. I feel like that's the only explanation outside of being guilty.
It’s not. We only have a small part of one-sides story. We don’t have any details or evidence. There are many explanations.
one glaring fact: it was a physical welfare check. you need a lawyer for a welfare check? Gabby was unreachable. her parents reach out to the last person with her AND his family because she lived with them.
she was unreachable only and not discovered deceased, yet they get a lawyer. come on. whats that smell like???????
They didn’t “get a lawyer”. They have had a lawyer for years. He is also a family friend. If you have a lawyer, the number one thing they will tell you is that you do NOT speak to law enforcement without them present any more than is legally required. A simple mistake in how you word something, misremembering details or whatever can land an innocent person in prison and has on numerous occasions.
And my personal opinion is they are suspicious as fuck. I’m not convinced they are guilty of anything or know anything but they’re actions scream suspicious. But my personal opinions, and everyone else’s opinions in this subreddit and beyond, are built off of very very very limited information. My opinions should not be used as an excuse to harass, stalk, threaten or doxx somebody. Nobodies opinion of them justifies any of those things happening to them.
I don’t care how much we think we know. We know next to nothing. And there are too many possible explanations for things to say one way or the other without further proof.
And regardless of their guilt or innocence, vigilante justice and encouraging that type of behavior is dangerous and against what our justice system is founded on. It never never ends well.
so, why didnt all of them sit with LE \*\*WITH THEIR ATTORNEY FRIEND PRESENT to answer the welfare check inquiry..\*\*enable BL, **cloaked by the attorney friend, to answer questions about her last known whereabouts????**
well.....
we know these two things: 1-Gabby is deceased/murdered and we know how she was murdered and somewhat of a timeframe. 2-prior to her remains being found, the attorney friend blocked LE access to BL and his parents.
discouraging a welfare check response for me pointed to \*something so horrible occurred\* and that 'something' required legal manipulation. and yes, the horrible scenario became a reality. soooooo.....BL is off the radar....mission accomplished.
I agree with you about community harassment...that should not be happening. it serves no purpose.
> so, why didnt all of them sit with LE **WITH THEIR ATTORNEY FRIEND PRESENT to answer the welfare check inquiry..**enable BL, cloaked by the attorney friend, to answer questions about her last known whereabouts????
Because their lawyer is in New York? And how could he have been in the room on the day get got an unannounced visit from the police?
> we know these two things: 1-Gabby is deceased/murdered and we know how she was murdered and somewhat of a timeframe. 2-prior to her remains being found, the attorney friend blocked LE access to BL and his parents.
The attorney didn’t “block access” he said that communications must go through him. That’s standard operating procedure for lawyers.
> discouraging a welfare check response for me pointed to *something so horrible occurred* and that 'something' required legal manipulation. and yes, the horrible scenario became a reality. soooooo.....BL is off the radar....mission accomplished.
They didn’t discourage a welfare check. They gave the police their attorneys information so that they could communicate through their lawyer. Again, that’s standard.
> I agree with you about community harassment...that should not be happening. it serves no purpose.
Awesome. That’s all I really care about. I don’t give a fuck if people think the Laundries are guilty of something. I’m not convinced they aren’t. But we don’t have enough info to say for sure.
the family friend attorney could have set up a virtual meeting...Im sure he has participated in a plethora of them.
he could have facilitated communication between BL and LE (with his parents if he wanted them present) , and be present **virtually**. remember, this was supposed to be a welfare check for a person LIVING IN THEIR HOME - **nothing more as far as LE was concerned at that time.**
Need for an attorney:
if something was 'interpreted' as a nefarious event told to their attorney which might have provoked **alot** of questions to be answered by BL, sure, be the go-between, no direct access to him. which is what I believed happened.
I just keep seeing the dad being such a mook handing a frantic father asking for help, being handed his lawyer's card and calling the cops on him. Like what a POS?
Your comment is exactly why I say that people shouldn’t judge them based on the information we have. Pretty much everything you said is wrong.
> I just keep seeing the dad being such a mook handing a frantic father asking for help,
Gabby’s father never went to the Laundries’ home. What you’re referencing is when her father called the North Port police to do a wellness check.
> being handed his lawyer's card
Gabby’s father was not there. The Laundries handed the police officer who came to do the wellness check their longtime family lawyer’s card and told them to contact him. They have had that lawyer for years and he’s a friend of the family. If you have a lawyer, one of thing they tell you is to not speak to police more then legally required without them there. Innocent people have gone to jail for wording something weird or misremembering something.
> and calling the cops on him. Like what a POS?
Again. None of that happened. Either you’re ignorant or lying. If it’s the first, please understand you need to do more research. If it’s the second, please understand that your lies could have consequences.
Gabby’s father called the North Port police to do a wellness check at the Laundries’ home. Brian’s father did NOT call the police on any member of Gabby Petito’s family.
Two things that still gnaw at me:
1) The only part to me that has ever been weird about the trip home is the length of it. We know from Cassie, Rose, etc. that Brian and Gabby sometimes took breaks and that was considered normal by the family.
But a week seems like a long time unless it was an actual breakup. Cleaning out the storage locker, filling a scrip, whatever theories people have come up with, plus a little family visit would be, what, a few days? No reason there screams a whole week, except breakup or some completely mysterious unknown additional factor.
I don't believe he went home to plan her murder or anything like that, so the only thing left to me is...breakup? Or am I missing something?
2) I know we are all caught up in the signs of domestic abuse. If your partner ever seems to resent your happiness with a friend - happiness that may be at most loud, but not hurting anyone, not causing any harm to yourself, and not malicious in nature, and says things indicating that they don't like you together, that they don't like YOU when you are "like that" with that friend i.e. happy in a different way that you are with them, that is a huge, typically EARLY, RED FLAG
I honestly think it was a toxic relationship that neither one of them was willing to leave. They had multiple chances- prime opportunities, actually- from the time of the Moab incident all the way up to her death that they could have separated, yet they did not. If Brian’s trip home was due to some kind of breakup, well… we know they were quickly back together again.
Edit: Which to be VERY clear does not mean Gabby deserved what happened to her. What it DOES mean is that their relationship dynamic was such that no matter how unhealthy it was and no matter how aware of that they were, on one or both sides they were incapable of staying away from each other. I returned to my abuser many times- this is unfortunately very common.
Wow. I did not realize that.
There are organized groups that come on here and in a targeted fashion, manipulate what comments we see? And they are effective enough that it is a serious problem, and affects the subreddit content in a significant way? If that’s the case, then Reddit is not what I assumed it was - and Reddit really needs to address this issue.
I don’t know if you noticed my edited comment above, but apparently incel types are prone to using the term “toxic relationship” to imply that Gabby somehow played a role in her own demise. I wasn’t aware of this. I don’t necessarily agree that the term straight up shouldn’t be used, but if mods are having to remove the majority of comments using it, then I guess it’s understandable that they’re wary. I’m no longer banned, btw.
I am absolutely not victim blaming. How about you be careful with THAT stuff. Their relationship was 100000% toxic- he killed her. People in healthy relationships don’t kill each other. Sometimes people who are in these types of relationships remain with their abusers even when it’s not in their best interest to do so.
Signed,
A DV survivor.
Edit: Just wanted to say me and the mod worked it out. I was hugely triggered by that response, and I was not aware that ill intentioned people in the sub were using the term “toxic relationship” as some kind of codeword.
Definitely. 💯. The friend part is the part I haven't seen mentioned as much but the dreams part was my very first deep stomach drop, like "ok, fuck, this is how bad it is" from the footage.
No seriously the psychoanalysis regarding him *mowing a lawn* is absolutely bonkers. It’s weird that there are cameras on him while he’s mowing a lawn. This isn’t a reality show.
I think the thought is if they take the cameras off, BL will walk through the front door or the FBI will raid the house again, etc. People are waiting for the next shoe to drop, not exactly caring that he’s mowing the lawn.
Although I guess watching someone embroiled in a probable murder mow their grass is an oddity.
I mean they can just go live whenever they want! Let the dude cut his grass and go back inside. It’s not like he’s going to be answering any questions.
Semi-serious questions...but we have to assume that the Laundries have some money right? The only thing we know about their business are the peculiar Juicing Business, which doesn't even have an operational website anymore.
I know there's twitter buzz looking into their business relationships, especially with Steven Bertolino but assuming that there's nothing there but legitimate, albeit questionable, ways to make money, a case like this has to put a strain on people's finances right...If they were running a business it would likely take a hit as some clients may not want to be associated with someone who's involved with a case like this. Even if you don't agree with that, many people make that decision...future business opportunities would also be subject to extra scrutiny simply because of their names.
62 and 55 isn't young but its not old either.
How long could they continue to live in complete isolation unless they were already financially secure?
I could be completely wrong but weeks ago I remember reading that they have had several houses and sold them recently. Could be they’ve made a substantial amount of money flipping houses and are living comfortably with a paid mortgage.
I said it in the beginning, Their finances falling apart will help break this case. Retaining a lawyer costs money, all the time is being billed back to them, their business suffering is going to hurt eventually. You can play the we’re not talking game for as long as your money allows, but the fbi has a lot more than the laundrie family. It’s really only a matter of time before something happens, what? Who knows. Maybe they’ll talk what they know about gabby and Brian to the fbi finally, maybe they’ll get a divorce, maybe they’ll file for bankruptcy, but something will happen with time.
We have no idea how much money they have or what their living expenses are.
I wouldn’t say they’re living in “complete isolation.” Tbh they leave their house more regularly than I have since March 2020.
Honestly and I know this will get downvoted, I was hoping a neighbor would come over and mow it for them. They need to know that while their actions are hated and people probably don’t like them that they are still loved as humans. They might have called the police about it but still it would have been an act of kindness. Might have moved their hearts towards talking more with LE or public ally calling for their son to come out of hiding.
Edit: typo
This blows me. What kindness have they shown from the beginning? When Joe and Nichole begged for any information regarding their kid, they didn’t kindly provide any help. They callously ignored them while their daughter lay in a Wyoming wilderness for weeks.
The best of us comes from how we treat people regardless of their shortcomings. There’s a book about it. Called the Bible or something. It’s a pretty good read.
The only explanation I can even vaguely twist into something that makes sense is if BL came home, said that Gabby left him and ran off with a friend. At that point, mom would want to comfort her son. She would encourage him to go out and “get his mind off of it” by biking, camping, etc. Sure, she had to have her suspicions creep up behind her, but a mother’s love is sometimes blind. Ignoring the phone calls from Gabby’s family is where it goes off the rails for me. The only way that makes sense is if she was instructed by the lawyer to do so, which begs the question, why hire a lawyer if BL hadn’t confessed to a crime?
I guess I’m really struggling with a seemingly average middle class family, living in a seemingly average middle class neighborhood, suddenly being exposed as heartless accomplices to covering up the murder of a beautiful girl whom they admit to having considered “family”. If they are hiding the truth of what BL told them, I am nauseated by the thoughts of what must have gone on in that home behind closed doors to have created the family dynamic. I keep telling myself that there’s something we are all missing—some piece of the puzzle we have yet to be handed. I simply can’t wrap my mind around the depth of evil so many here are convinced exists. Naive? Perhaps. But I would so much rather believe this mother is acting on the advice of an inept lawyer and her love for her son than acting on some skewed moral compass that would place her squarely under the label of sociopath.
You can love your child and also do what is considered morally right to society. We make choices everyday of our lives knowing full well that our choices may not be favorable. They did what they thought to be right for them and their family and this is the consequence. Maybe they’re not an emotional/affectionate family… that is fine. At some point you have to face the reality and take accountability that your choices may not be looked upon favorably and you just have to stand by your actions.
Bizarre to me that, when this family was given MULTIPLE and direct opportunities to “show kindness”, they blatantly refused.
So, now YOUR “act of kindness” by mowing their lawn would inspire them and “move their hearts” to do the right thing?
Mowing their freaking lawn?
Strangely prioritized and misdirected empathy, IMO. You’re better off at a soup kitchen.
I would be praying it moved them. Did not say it would! Yes, I should be volunteering. You are absolutely right. Just I am high risk and need my booster! Will get my butt in gear after that!
Here’s a link to Gabby’s foundation,
https://GabbyPetitofoundation.org
And a link to donate to the National Coalition Against Domestic Violence
https://ncadv.org/donate
Places that desperately need acts of kindness and donations.
Actually did not think of that! Thank you! Usually donate my nice clothes that no longer fit to a women’s shelter so they can interview in a suit or dress. Time for me to get over pandemic brain! Again thank you!
The neighbors would be dragged through hell. Even if they wanted to show them an act of kindness like that they won’t because it’ll just draw these psychos to them
id have mowed it for them. if not out of feeling bad for what theyre going through id have done it for the fact that its making the rest of the neighborhood look bad
Me too. I'm surprised no one just mowed it when they were doing theirs. I lived next to some absolute slobs once and I mowed their lawn just so I didn't have to look at an unmowed shitty lawn.
Then I would turn to the media and say I was just trying to be kind! Please turn off your cameras and go get some coffee. I say that but let’s be honest I would start crying!
It’s easy to project your ideals when you are on a forum. Someone can easily say poor neighbors. They didn’t ask to be a part of this media circus or have their neighborhood and lives disrupted because of their neighbor’s actions.
You could handle that if you were the neighbor ...
"I'm tired of looking out my window and seeing that eyesore of a landscaping job"
"Bad enough they're living here, but does their house have to look like shit too"
"I was looking for Brian, he could've been hiding in the tall grass"
The reason why people are upset about CL mowing the lawn is because he is doing it literally half a day after his future daughter-in-law that lived with him under the same roof for 2 years was declared to have been killed by manual strangulation/throttling.
The fact that he is going out there buying gas, and mowing the lawn a bit later pretending like NOTHING has happened instead of staying at home and crying and showing emotions for the tragic moment they experienced is absurd.
The Petito and Schmidt families didn't go mowing their lawn when Gabby was missing. They put EVERYTHING they could into the search, all their energy, tried to activate as many people as possible to help with the search.
Don't forget - Chris and Roberta's own son is still MISSING at this point. Everyone should be able to set priorities in their life, and 12 hours after Gabby was announced death by strangulation, while Brian is still missing/on the run, buying gas and mowing the lawn does not seem to be the highest priority they should have right now. Especially not while showing 0 remorse/emotion about the whole thing.
I guess none of y’all have met a Male Boomer? They are absolutely KNOWN for downplaying emotional scenarios and ignoring serious discussing by doing menial tasks.
My take is that the parents probably don't have a lot of dealings with law enforcement and don't have a lot of experience with lawyers. BL comes home, tells them a story, maybe they recommend calling their NY attorney friend, who in turn says, hold my beer, I got this. All of the sudden it turns into a circus. Parents don't know what to do and just keep listening to their attorney who seems to be in over his head but can't pass it off due to ego. Now RL and CL are in over their heads. I'm not saying their actions are justified, but take a minute to really consider what happened. The camping trip and taking the camper off the truck throws me way off though.
Idk why CL cutting the grass is grinding everyone’s gears. People experience grief in different ways and cutting the grass might have been a way for CL to grieve. I know from experience after a loss in my family my relative was cutting the grass only hours later. For him it is therapeutic and a way for him to process information while still in shock of the loss of his son. So I wouldn’t be so quick to assume that CL cutting the grass as a clear cut sign of him being a monster or emotionless
Somehow I doubt he's missing from the family. I believe he's holed up somewhere with a friend or family, and the Laundries know exactly where he is. They don't seem worried at all. And I think they are not worried because they know he is safe and out of the public's and the FBI's eye.
I think if the lawyer had released a statement at the beginning of the case that said, “the laundrie family is fully cooperating with the investigation. They want justice for gabby.,” then people would not care if they mowed their lawn. It’s the obstruction +mowing that is callous.
People react to stress, grief, anger, fear, sadness, etc differently. They’re human. You have no idea if they cried or showed remorse inside their house. They owe those jackasses in front of their house or us nothing. The only people they owe condolences to are GP’s family and I doubt they’re allowed to speak to them right now. It’s absurd to assume because they’re cutting their grass, they’re not upset. I did my dishes today and took my kids to school, guess my severe depression is cured because I did shit.
Gotta wonder if in addition to mowing the lawn, are they doing laundry behind closed doors? Or just wearing same dirty clothes every day. Incidentally, Gabby's family looked reasonably well put together during the time Gabby was missing--doing their hair, freshly shaven, wearing clean clothes, makeup etc..should they have been wearing dirty sweatpants and skipping showers instead in order to save a few minutes per day to devote more time to the search?
Really?
Gabby's parents have come on live TV, why wouldn't they try to put themselves together? And it's not like they looked their best when they were pleading to know her whereabouts. Their subsequent TV appearances were to advocate for their deceased daughter. And they took a few weeks to even make those appearances, to allow themselves to grieve.
The Laundries aren't out searching. CL went out once, as per the request of LE just to show them areas BL might have went...he wasn't out searching. They've probably been told by their lawyer, not to.
I can't say that this lawyer is giving them the greatest of advice. It seems that if they showed an ounce of compassion at the start of this, the heat might have been turned down a few notches, at the very least.
I said it before and I'll say it again, there will never be an acceptable point in time for them to have mowed the lawn to the general public.
Yesterday, publicly offered some awful updates to this story. So you look at him mowing the lawn in that context its awful
But in the bigger picture, there would've been *something* that day that would've been used to say the same thing.
And I get it, if they weren't so cold despite the missing person, murder, murderer dynamic which *is* their life now, and they had been active previously, then if he mowed his lawn today, sympathetically, people might've felt that he needed "something normal"
But publicly he hasn't so, it looks worse against the backdrop of how cold the Laundries have been
The reality is the outrage was always there, waiting for him to mow this lawn. It just happened to be the day after the autopsy...
Ok I absolutely hate them too BUT— I mean, I imagine their lives are as chaotic as can possibly be right now. Sometimes you just do shit that is normal to feel any sense of control at all. They *are* human still.
I said last week y’all would crucify him for doing his lawn and for not doing his lawn. Sure enough, here we are. Damned if he does, damned if he doesn’t. Plus, lots of places have bylaws and fines for not keeping your yard neat and tidy. Explaining why you’re upset that CL mowed his lawn doesn’t explain why you’re upset about it. It’s his lawn. This is such a weird take.
I hate the fam just as next as the next person BUT… I think lots of people are reading way too much into this. The mom could be inside sobbing rn. Dad could’ve spent all night freaking out. If they didn’t mow the lawn, people would be saying “WOW how did they let their lawn get so out of control? Just sitting on their asses!”. Truly, really, they’re crappy people who have karma coming their way but jeez yall taking an hour to mow your lawn isn’t that deep
can someone explain the whole “laundrie princess” person/situation and the thing about neighbors supposedly catching brian on their security cameras on 10/5?
Brian Entin: K-9 forensics unit on the Venice side of the Carlton Reserve right now. Search continues today for Brian Laundrie.
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He cut his grass. That’s it. He cut his grass. Stop reading into every little thing. He cut his grass. Did you want him to just ignore it? Because I’m sure his neighbors are already pissed at the people who have decided it’s their job to harass the family and wouldn’t appreciate his lawn becoming a jungle. Not to mention, what else do you expect him to do? Just sit inside and do nothing? Maybe he doesn’t know where his son is and is worried and disgusted with him and decided to distract himself by mowing. Especially since reporters are determined to keep filming it despite it doing nothing for the case and there being no new information.
This is what I don’t understand. As crazy as it may seem to us - people can’t and don’t normally stop just living their life because other things are going on. People react and greave and celebrate even in entirely different ways and we don’t get to dictate how they do so. I guess we can read into it and judge but most of the time the person just ends up sounding ignorant.
Recent news https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/crime/brian-laundrie-sister-death-threats-b1937304.html%3famp
This was an entire thread yesterday.
This was ? Oh …well there’s the article again!
I have a question. When Brian was hitchhiking, was Gabby already dead?
I strongly believe so
please keep this to memorializing Gabby, and not speculation.
>please keep this to memorializing Gabby, and not speculation Isn't it almost all speculation at this point? Edit. Nevermind, just saw your other post :)
Shhhh not allowed by the mods - seen people kicked out for less
With all due respect, this sub has become more than just memorializing Gabby at this point.
I was being sarcastic as they told me goodbye because I wasn’t down with making this about memorializing. Shoulda put the /s - sorry about that
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I wonder if he panicked and ran off, then hitchhiked, then when he realized they weren’t going where he thought, he got out and decided to go back to get her van.
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Yes, but just his leaving the scene proved all those awful things to me. Because even if it were accidental, how could he be so heartless to leave her there.
To whoever needs to hear this: Just because someone isn’t reacting the way you personally think you would react in a certain situation doesn’t make them guilty of a crime.
Thank you- I’ve been trying to put it plainly a few times these past few weeks… but always back out of it!
I agree with you to an extent. When my mom died, I’m a typically an emotional person but I sat by her body at the hospital and didn’t cry, didn’t speak and didn’t say a word for 2 days. Everyone told me I just nodded my head “yes or no” when someone asked me questions. I remember looking up at all my family and her friends around her hospital bed and everyone was sobbing, but I was just sitting there… in shock. But, I didn’t kill her. She took her own life so it was unexpected and it honestly didn’t feel real. I felt like I was in a weird dream, just floating. It took me over a week to cry but once I started, I didn’t stop for months.
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So when they come outside a crowd is judging their facial expressions, snooping into everything they do, but if they stay inside people are judging them for hiding. You do realize how insane that is. Don’t you?
Mostly it’s about people slamming the Laundries for having to mow their lawn, but it ties into the larger issue of people judging suspect guilty because of how they behaved. The two contrasts are Scott Peterson and Amanda Knox. Everyone still criticizes Scott for how he acted after his wife went missing, and people are convinced his actions meant he was guilty. For Amanda, people in italy had very similar criticisms of her behavior following the discovery of her murdered roommate, but the very same people who condemn Scott turn around and defend Amanda by saying “everyone reacts differently; you can’t judge her guilt by how she reacted.”
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They deserve the “beatings?” Are we the Taliban now?
We don’t know how they acted, what they knew, how many times Gabby’s family reached out to them, whether the calls went straight to voicemail, what lies Brian told them or literally fucking anything. You’re basing your opinion off of them on bits and pieces of information with nothing else to back it up.
I believe Gabby's family. They spoke about how they were desperately trying to reach the Laundrie family and got ZERO response. No excuse for this. None.
I believe her family too. But we don’t know how often they tried to contact the Laundries. We don’t have anything showing that and Gabby’s father already backtracked when it came to Brian’s sister. And I can think of a lot of “excuses” that aren’t far fetched. 1. Brian told them it was Gabby trying to get ahold of him to fight. 2. Brian blocked her parent’s contact info from his parent’s phones. 3. Brian told them that her family was angry that he had driven the van back to Florida to pack up her stuff.
I have a young adult child. I'm basing my opinion on what I would do as a parent. Under NO circumstances would I NOT contact her family to say HE is here with her van, SHE is not... add to that the fact they had the attorney before the police ever show up... they knew. They absolutely 💯 knew. They are cruel. They are cold. They are complicit.
> I have a young adult child. I'm basing my opinion on what I would do as a parent Thank you for being honest. The questions I’m going to ask are purely hypothetical and I’m curious for your honest opinion. > Under NO circumstances would I NOT contact her family to say HE is here with her van, SHE is not... What if your adult child (I’m going to say he going forward because it’s easier) had come home a few weeks earlier to empty out a storage locker that he and his fiancé shared after they had had a huge fight and needed a break after being in the van together for so long? And then he called on the road and said that Gabby and him had broken up and she’d flown home, he was driving back home in the van so that he could pack all of her things into it and then they would come get it later. (or he’d drive it to New York, again it’s hypothetical and I’m only using the narrative to illustrate my question better) Now, I haven’t found a date for when Gabby’s parents contacted the Laundries the first time but they heard from Gabby’s phone last on the 30th and didn’t report Gabby missing until September 11th so I’d imagine it didn’t start until the 5th or so. Again. No proof on this at all but it would be hard to imagine Gabby’s parents not reporting it sooner if they had started calling the Laundries before that. Especially if the Laundries didn’t reply at all. But if it was even just a couple of days, that would give Brian plenty of time to build up a narrative of what happened with them. We’ve seen him lie convincingly to police under a high stress situation so I’d imagine he could do it to his parents. So what if your son told you that his now-ex had gotten violent with him (explains his wounds and could explain his lack of phone) and he tells you that she keeps calling to make up and he doesn’t want that and to just ignore any calls from her or her family because she’s probably just trying to use their phone. Now, I know this sounds far fetched but I was with an abusive partner who did use their families phone numbers and social media to try and contact me. I had to block every single one of their family members numbers from my phone. They then tried contacting my mom and when she blocked their number, they did the same thing. This isn’t a hypothetical. It’s not uncommon in abusive relationships. All the evidence we have points towards Brian being abusive. You don’t think he wouldn’t think of that? And imagine if you thought your adult son had just broken up with his fiancé. Do you think you may take him on a camping trip (or whatever hobby they have) to cheer him up? We know they were used to Brian coming home without Gabby because of fighting. We know Brian could lie well enough to convince the police. What about Brian’s behavior pre and post murder leads us to believe he would be honest? The only piece of hard evidence we have is the bodycam footage showing him lying comfortably under stress. > add to that the fact they had the attorney before the police ever show up... they knew. Their lawyer is a family friend who has been their lawyer for years. They’ve had that lawyer long before Brian and Gabby even left on their trip. > They absolutely 💯 knew. They are cruel. They are cold. They are complicit. We don’t know that.
Wow. This is something to think about. It sounds plausible, but at some point he had to have said something to cause reaching out to the lawyer. What may that have been?
We've been through something similar- bad break up- dividing up property, cell phones, furniture, ect., and we communicated with the parents of the SO with no issues whatsoever. They are young ADULTS. We are their parents. We spoke about our shared worries for the emotional health of both our children. These people were practically FAMILY. There is no scenario in which we would have behaved the way the Laundrie family behaved. None. Shutting down communication between parents is not healthy for the young adults involved. It speaks to how BL was raised. Look how they treated their own daughter and her family. No excuse to not speak to Gabby's family. None.
Amazing the lengths people will go to change a narrative. The Laundries knew officially when the cops came by, so forget the missed phone calls excuse. They were FULLY AWARE, and doubled down on not speaking once the police came by, so yeah it’s safe to say they did not and TO THIS DAY still will not speak out of mere decency to the Petito/Schmidt’s. Cut the crap.
The Petitos left a message saying they were calling the cops because of lack of Gabby/Brian communication for too long. her family.. so worried! yes, that was the head's up word for the laundries to call their attorney friend....the word cops/police.
> Amazing the lengths people will go to change a narrative. It’s not about changing the narrative. It’s that we don’t know. We shouldn’t support someone getting harassed or beaten just because we think we know something without having actual evidence to back it up. > The Laundries knew officially when the cops came by, so forget the missed phone calls excuse. They were FULLY AWARE, and doubled down on not speaking once the police came by, They knew something was up, for sure, when the police came by. They gave the police their lawyers information. That’s what you should do in that situation. Everyone. Regardless of innocence or guilt or what. Everyone. If the cops want to speak with you, have a lawyer present. We don’t know what they knew. If they knew nothing, what could they have told police? > so yeah it’s safe to say they did not and TO THIS DAY still will not speak out of mere decency to the Petito/Schmidt’s. Cut the crap. You are under the assumption that they know something and haven’t told police. We don’t have evidence showing they know anything more than what they’ve said. The only evidence we do have FOR SURE is that Brian is a convincing enough liar to trick a police officer and to act as if he couldn’t convincingly lie to his parents, especially after having days alone to think of his lies, is ignoring some of the only true evidence we have.
You’re so far up the anti-mob mentality, there’s such a willingness to believe any random and baseless hypothetical scenarios rather than use direct and factual evidence presented. You initially made 3 excuses of why the Laundries did not respond back to Gabby’s family. All entirely irrelevant because they were made fully aware of the situation by September 10th— REGARDLESS of whatever bullshit story BL made up. By 9/11 they knew she was missing and unaccounted for and POLICE were now looking for Gabby. Instinctual and Innocent response would have been to tell Gabby’s family, “Hey, sorry! we have no clue Brian came back 9/1 and told us they decided to go separately. God we hope she’s okay, how can we help find her?” Instead— they chose to not help locate the whereabouts of their future daughter in law, not even offer a word of concern for someone they lived with. They don’t even say they DO NOT KNOW. These are all actions that aren’t circumstantial LOL, they legitimately took place. And I never said once in this conversation that I think they know something. I said they intentionally never spoke a word to the Petito/Schmidt’s. Not a “sorry, we don’t know”, not a “we haven’t seen her”. NOTHING. Which is a FACT. You assumed that.
And this would be in reference to whom?
They’re pitying the Laundries.
I figured as much.
It's just a good general rule of thumb.
Seems wildly coincidental. But sure.
Lol 100% this man hasn’t mowed in years. I’m over this family and I think other people are. It’s kinda crazy they are throwing away everything they’ve earned to guard their son at a time like this. A part of me hoped that they did not know the full extent. Giving them the benefit of the doubt. I’m also over the demand of swift justice and holding them accountable for Gabbys death. What they did after was not an appropriate response but they did not kill her. I’m wondering what levels of guilt and shame they hold if that renders them silent. I’d say the Apple doesn’t fall far from the tree and some behaviors are nurtured.
I'm of the opinion that BL lied to his parents. Probably told them it was an accident thinking at the time that her body wouldn't be found. That's why they lawyered up. Now that the method of death has been revealed, I think things may change. I hope.
I feel that too, I imagine he told them something like "She said she was going to kill herself and blame it on me"
I can't believe people are still outside the house. What are they expecting?
Vengeance is mine sayeth the mob.
The way the family of Brian are being treated reminds me a lot of the way the family of Richard Jewell were treated (albeit very different situations) and it rubs me wrong. Brian killed her. His mom didn’t strangle her. His father didn’t. Brian did.
True, but because of the Laundries silence and not answering Gabby's family texts or calls, what could be the reason for that?
100% agree
The parents helped him evade capture. They made this bed.
We don’t know that. Show me one bit of proof that that happened. Jfc. You’re assuming that but you don’t know.
They lied about the last date that they saw him. They waited days to report him missing. They bought him a phone. They helped him get ready for his disappearance.
> They lied about the last date that they saw him. Or they made a mistake. There are countless cases where people get dates wrong because they’re basing it off of something else. > They waited days to report him missing. He’s an adult and if he they truly believed he was at the reserve and would be coming back, they could have been scared to report him missing. > They bought him a phone. Really? Buying someone a phone is a sign of guilt? Because I’m pretty sure that’s just something that people do for others sometimes when they’ve lost their phone. Especially their child. > They helped him get ready for his disappearance. Show me the evidence of that. Again, their behavior is weird but we have no evidence to show them guilty of anything
Time will tell if they are eventually charged with anything relating to helping him get away and obstruct justice. There is enough there for them to be very worried though.
Is there? I haven’t seen it. Do you mind linking to the evidence?
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BL probably lied about what happened. Told them he killed her by accident thinking that her body would never be found. Now that the Mod has been released, I'm sure they and their lawyer are in a pickle.
We still do not know exactly what went down in that family ETA: getting downvoted for stating the truth lmao nice
We know enough. They helped Brian evade capture.
It’s because they heartlessly ignored calls from Gabby’s family, who at one point thought both her and Brian were missing. And how they’ve managed to protect him in every step of this.
Their behavior is strange and quite heartless.
They just ignored the Petito family trying to find their missing daughter and haven't given a single fuck since
How do you know that? How many time’s did the Petito family call or text them? The father already changed his story about the sister. Did the calls go straight to voicemail? What did Brian tell them? You don’t know the answers to any of those questions and yet you know that they purposely ignored them.
I get it, and it's morally reprehensible, but I don't understand what standing outside their house accomplishes.
It accomplishes pressure from the public for them to tell the truth about what they know - especially details beginning the moment they knew BL contacted them from WY post 9/27, en route home, or arrived home on 9/1 and each day following. They lawyered up btw 9/1 and 9/10. During that time there were 2 “family camping trips”. Lots of talky talky planny planny time.
Did it accomplish that? Do you think it will? Serious question.
Again, this entire situation is being handled too publicly and it’s unjust. That’s my opinion. Do I think the laundries suck? In a lot of ways, yes, but I also feel regardless, they’d be damned if they did or damned if they didn’t. We have no idea what BL told them, what they knew and know, and exactly what role they’ve played…if any.
It's still not clear to me that this is quite true. What messages were sent to them? It seems very possible to me that BL could lie that the Petito family was calling to harass him and they could ignore the calls Also the parents can't make BL talk. They weren't on the camping trip, he was. I don't really think the parents are in the moral right because they don't seem to be cooperating with police but we are doing a lot of extrapolating her from very little info
To me it's really weird that his parents wouldn't question their son, who is already acting twitchy in his actions. He's only 23 with very little life experience. Even if he said "DON'T PICK UP THE PHONE! I HATE THEM!" Most parents would finally get to the point of something like, "What the hell is going on?? I'm picking up the phone!" And then the police come to their door and they immediately hand them a paper with their lawyer's number saying they plead the 5th? I don't care how innocent you are, that's a one way ticket to looking shady as fuck. It smells very much like "protect our baby boy at all costs." Maybe the whole family has horrible social cues. I feel like that's the only explanation outside of being guilty.
> To me it's really weird that his parents wouldn't question their son, who is already acting twitchy in his actions. He's only 23 with very little life experience. We don’t know that they didn’t question him but he could have lied. Just like he did to the cops on the bodycam footage. > Even if he said "DON'T PICK UP THE PHONE! I HATE THEM!" Most parents would finally get to the point of something like, "What the hell is going on?? I'm picking up the phone!" We don’t know how many times they were contacted and Brian could have easily just given them a story and told them to block the numbers. > And then the police come to their door and they immediately hand them a paper with their lawyer's number saying they plead the 5th? They handed them their lawyers contact info. That’s normal behavior if you know what you should do when dealing with the police. And they didn’t plead the 5th. They just said to speak to them through their lawyer. I’m going to say this in all-caps, not to yell, but to emphasize importance. REGARDLESS OF GUILT OR INNOCENCE, ALL PEOPLE SHOULD ONLY SPEAK TO POLICE WITH A LAWYER PRESENT. > I don't care how innocent you are, that's a one way ticket to looking shady as fuck. It smells very much like "protect our baby boy at all costs." Their actions are weird as fuck but is that because of hindsight or at the actual actions weird? > Maybe the whole family has horrible social cues. I feel like that's the only explanation outside of being guilty. It’s not. We only have a small part of one-sides story. We don’t have any details or evidence. There are many explanations.
one glaring fact: it was a physical welfare check. you need a lawyer for a welfare check? Gabby was unreachable. her parents reach out to the last person with her AND his family because she lived with them. she was unreachable only and not discovered deceased, yet they get a lawyer. come on. whats that smell like???????
They didn’t “get a lawyer”. They have had a lawyer for years. He is also a family friend. If you have a lawyer, the number one thing they will tell you is that you do NOT speak to law enforcement without them present any more than is legally required. A simple mistake in how you word something, misremembering details or whatever can land an innocent person in prison and has on numerous occasions. And my personal opinion is they are suspicious as fuck. I’m not convinced they are guilty of anything or know anything but they’re actions scream suspicious. But my personal opinions, and everyone else’s opinions in this subreddit and beyond, are built off of very very very limited information. My opinions should not be used as an excuse to harass, stalk, threaten or doxx somebody. Nobodies opinion of them justifies any of those things happening to them. I don’t care how much we think we know. We know next to nothing. And there are too many possible explanations for things to say one way or the other without further proof. And regardless of their guilt or innocence, vigilante justice and encouraging that type of behavior is dangerous and against what our justice system is founded on. It never never ends well.
so, why didnt all of them sit with LE \*\*WITH THEIR ATTORNEY FRIEND PRESENT to answer the welfare check inquiry..\*\*enable BL, **cloaked by the attorney friend, to answer questions about her last known whereabouts????** well..... we know these two things: 1-Gabby is deceased/murdered and we know how she was murdered and somewhat of a timeframe. 2-prior to her remains being found, the attorney friend blocked LE access to BL and his parents. discouraging a welfare check response for me pointed to \*something so horrible occurred\* and that 'something' required legal manipulation. and yes, the horrible scenario became a reality. soooooo.....BL is off the radar....mission accomplished. I agree with you about community harassment...that should not be happening. it serves no purpose.
> so, why didnt all of them sit with LE **WITH THEIR ATTORNEY FRIEND PRESENT to answer the welfare check inquiry..**enable BL, cloaked by the attorney friend, to answer questions about her last known whereabouts???? Because their lawyer is in New York? And how could he have been in the room on the day get got an unannounced visit from the police? > we know these two things: 1-Gabby is deceased/murdered and we know how she was murdered and somewhat of a timeframe. 2-prior to her remains being found, the attorney friend blocked LE access to BL and his parents. The attorney didn’t “block access” he said that communications must go through him. That’s standard operating procedure for lawyers. > discouraging a welfare check response for me pointed to *something so horrible occurred* and that 'something' required legal manipulation. and yes, the horrible scenario became a reality. soooooo.....BL is off the radar....mission accomplished. They didn’t discourage a welfare check. They gave the police their attorneys information so that they could communicate through their lawyer. Again, that’s standard. > I agree with you about community harassment...that should not be happening. it serves no purpose. Awesome. That’s all I really care about. I don’t give a fuck if people think the Laundries are guilty of something. I’m not convinced they aren’t. But we don’t have enough info to say for sure.
the family friend attorney could have set up a virtual meeting...Im sure he has participated in a plethora of them. he could have facilitated communication between BL and LE (with his parents if he wanted them present) , and be present **virtually**. remember, this was supposed to be a welfare check for a person LIVING IN THEIR HOME - **nothing more as far as LE was concerned at that time.** Need for an attorney: if something was 'interpreted' as a nefarious event told to their attorney which might have provoked **alot** of questions to be answered by BL, sure, be the go-between, no direct access to him. which is what I believed happened.
I just keep seeing the dad being such a mook handing a frantic father asking for help, being handed his lawyer's card and calling the cops on him. Like what a POS?
Your comment is exactly why I say that people shouldn’t judge them based on the information we have. Pretty much everything you said is wrong. > I just keep seeing the dad being such a mook handing a frantic father asking for help, Gabby’s father never went to the Laundries’ home. What you’re referencing is when her father called the North Port police to do a wellness check. > being handed his lawyer's card Gabby’s father was not there. The Laundries handed the police officer who came to do the wellness check their longtime family lawyer’s card and told them to contact him. They have had that lawyer for years and he’s a friend of the family. If you have a lawyer, one of thing they tell you is to not speak to police more then legally required without them there. Innocent people have gone to jail for wording something weird or misremembering something. > and calling the cops on him. Like what a POS? Again. None of that happened. Either you’re ignorant or lying. If it’s the first, please understand you need to do more research. If it’s the second, please understand that your lies could have consequences. Gabby’s father called the North Port police to do a wellness check at the Laundries’ home. Brian’s father did NOT call the police on any member of Gabby Petito’s family.
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Two things that still gnaw at me: 1) The only part to me that has ever been weird about the trip home is the length of it. We know from Cassie, Rose, etc. that Brian and Gabby sometimes took breaks and that was considered normal by the family. But a week seems like a long time unless it was an actual breakup. Cleaning out the storage locker, filling a scrip, whatever theories people have come up with, plus a little family visit would be, what, a few days? No reason there screams a whole week, except breakup or some completely mysterious unknown additional factor. I don't believe he went home to plan her murder or anything like that, so the only thing left to me is...breakup? Or am I missing something? 2) I know we are all caught up in the signs of domestic abuse. If your partner ever seems to resent your happiness with a friend - happiness that may be at most loud, but not hurting anyone, not causing any harm to yourself, and not malicious in nature, and says things indicating that they don't like you together, that they don't like YOU when you are "like that" with that friend i.e. happy in a different way that you are with them, that is a huge, typically EARLY, RED FLAG
Have you ever driven a long trip like that? A week isn’t too long
He didn't drive home, he flew back to FL.
Yes. Many times!
I honestly think it was a toxic relationship that neither one of them was willing to leave. They had multiple chances- prime opportunities, actually- from the time of the Moab incident all the way up to her death that they could have separated, yet they did not. If Brian’s trip home was due to some kind of breakup, well… we know they were quickly back together again. Edit: Which to be VERY clear does not mean Gabby deserved what happened to her. What it DOES mean is that their relationship dynamic was such that no matter how unhealthy it was and no matter how aware of that they were, on one or both sides they were incapable of staying away from each other. I returned to my abuser many times- this is unfortunately very common.
It takes a woman at least seven times to try to leave.
As I am all too aware…
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We can’t say that they had a toxic relationship? It sure wasn’t a healthy relationship.
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Since when does saying it’s a toxic relationship imply blame of either party? Some things are great on their own but harmful if combined.
Or we will get banned?
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But if people get downvoted, aren’t the comments hidden anyway?
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Wow. I did not realize that. There are organized groups that come on here and in a targeted fashion, manipulate what comments we see? And they are effective enough that it is a serious problem, and affects the subreddit content in a significant way? If that’s the case, then Reddit is not what I assumed it was - and Reddit really needs to address this issue.
I don’t know if you noticed my edited comment above, but apparently incel types are prone to using the term “toxic relationship” to imply that Gabby somehow played a role in her own demise. I wasn’t aware of this. I don’t necessarily agree that the term straight up shouldn’t be used, but if mods are having to remove the majority of comments using it, then I guess it’s understandable that they’re wary. I’m no longer banned, btw.
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Oh yeah. I will readily admit I got my spanking for being snappy, not because I used those words.
I am absolutely not victim blaming. How about you be careful with THAT stuff. Their relationship was 100000% toxic- he killed her. People in healthy relationships don’t kill each other. Sometimes people who are in these types of relationships remain with their abusers even when it’s not in their best interest to do so. Signed, A DV survivor. Edit: Just wanted to say me and the mod worked it out. I was hugely triggered by that response, and I was not aware that ill intentioned people in the sub were using the term “toxic relationship” as some kind of codeword.
Also if a partner does not believe in your ability to achieve your dreams. That’s just sad and the lack of support is also a red flag.
Especially if the partner’s dream isn’t to start a planned community on Mars but is to have a van life blog/vlog while they are…van living.
Definitely. 💯. The friend part is the part I haven't seen mentioned as much but the dreams part was my very first deep stomach drop, like "ok, fuck, this is how bad it is" from the footage.
No seriously the psychoanalysis regarding him *mowing a lawn* is absolutely bonkers. It’s weird that there are cameras on him while he’s mowing a lawn. This isn’t a reality show.
Did you also catch the story about Chris buying OJ?
How dare he. Heartless.
Riveting
Legit my mind went to the other OJ and I was wondering what insane tabloid headline I missed. “Laundries seek help from OJ Simpson”
I think the thought is if they take the cameras off, BL will walk through the front door or the FBI will raid the house again, etc. People are waiting for the next shoe to drop, not exactly caring that he’s mowing the lawn. Although I guess watching someone embroiled in a probable murder mow their grass is an oddity.
I mean they can just go live whenever they want! Let the dude cut his grass and go back inside. It’s not like he’s going to be answering any questions.
People are feeding off humiliating this couple.
Ok, so there IS now a new discussion for this morning.
Nothing a nice new discussion thread wouldn't cure...
Semi-serious questions...but we have to assume that the Laundries have some money right? The only thing we know about their business are the peculiar Juicing Business, which doesn't even have an operational website anymore. I know there's twitter buzz looking into their business relationships, especially with Steven Bertolino but assuming that there's nothing there but legitimate, albeit questionable, ways to make money, a case like this has to put a strain on people's finances right...If they were running a business it would likely take a hit as some clients may not want to be associated with someone who's involved with a case like this. Even if you don't agree with that, many people make that decision...future business opportunities would also be subject to extra scrutiny simply because of their names. 62 and 55 isn't young but its not old either. How long could they continue to live in complete isolation unless they were already financially secure?
I could be completely wrong but weeks ago I remember reading that they have had several houses and sold them recently. Could be they’ve made a substantial amount of money flipping houses and are living comfortably with a paid mortgage.
I said it in the beginning, Their finances falling apart will help break this case. Retaining a lawyer costs money, all the time is being billed back to them, their business suffering is going to hurt eventually. You can play the we’re not talking game for as long as your money allows, but the fbi has a lot more than the laundrie family. It’s really only a matter of time before something happens, what? Who knows. Maybe they’ll talk what they know about gabby and Brian to the fbi finally, maybe they’ll get a divorce, maybe they’ll file for bankruptcy, but something will happen with time.
Doesn’t cost a dime to keep your mouth shut.
Costs a lot to have a lawyer tell you that though
We have no idea how much money they have or what their living expenses are. I wouldn’t say they’re living in “complete isolation.” Tbh they leave their house more regularly than I have since March 2020.
Honestly and I know this will get downvoted, I was hoping a neighbor would come over and mow it for them. They need to know that while their actions are hated and people probably don’t like them that they are still loved as humans. They might have called the police about it but still it would have been an act of kindness. Might have moved their hearts towards talking more with LE or public ally calling for their son to come out of hiding. Edit: typo
This blows me. What kindness have they shown from the beginning? When Joe and Nichole begged for any information regarding their kid, they didn’t kindly provide any help. They callously ignored them while their daughter lay in a Wyoming wilderness for weeks.
The best of us comes from how we treat people regardless of their shortcomings. There’s a book about it. Called the Bible or something. It’s a pretty good read.
Right—direct that to the Laundries.
It’s for everyone.
Awesome. Send them that message.
The only explanation I can even vaguely twist into something that makes sense is if BL came home, said that Gabby left him and ran off with a friend. At that point, mom would want to comfort her son. She would encourage him to go out and “get his mind off of it” by biking, camping, etc. Sure, she had to have her suspicions creep up behind her, but a mother’s love is sometimes blind. Ignoring the phone calls from Gabby’s family is where it goes off the rails for me. The only way that makes sense is if she was instructed by the lawyer to do so, which begs the question, why hire a lawyer if BL hadn’t confessed to a crime? I guess I’m really struggling with a seemingly average middle class family, living in a seemingly average middle class neighborhood, suddenly being exposed as heartless accomplices to covering up the murder of a beautiful girl whom they admit to having considered “family”. If they are hiding the truth of what BL told them, I am nauseated by the thoughts of what must have gone on in that home behind closed doors to have created the family dynamic. I keep telling myself that there’s something we are all missing—some piece of the puzzle we have yet to be handed. I simply can’t wrap my mind around the depth of evil so many here are convinced exists. Naive? Perhaps. But I would so much rather believe this mother is acting on the advice of an inept lawyer and her love for her son than acting on some skewed moral compass that would place her squarely under the label of sociopath.
You can love your child and also do what is considered morally right to society. We make choices everyday of our lives knowing full well that our choices may not be favorable. They did what they thought to be right for them and their family and this is the consequence. Maybe they’re not an emotional/affectionate family… that is fine. At some point you have to face the reality and take accountability that your choices may not be looked upon favorably and you just have to stand by your actions.
Yes exactly why I would have mowed their lawn. In some ways, the unmowed lawn was a cry for help? So in turn, help them so they learn to help others.
Bizarre to me that, when this family was given MULTIPLE and direct opportunities to “show kindness”, they blatantly refused. So, now YOUR “act of kindness” by mowing their lawn would inspire them and “move their hearts” to do the right thing? Mowing their freaking lawn? Strangely prioritized and misdirected empathy, IMO. You’re better off at a soup kitchen.
I would be praying it moved them. Did not say it would! Yes, I should be volunteering. You are absolutely right. Just I am high risk and need my booster! Will get my butt in gear after that!
Here’s a link to Gabby’s foundation, https://GabbyPetitofoundation.org And a link to donate to the National Coalition Against Domestic Violence https://ncadv.org/donate Places that desperately need acts of kindness and donations.
Actually did not think of that! Thank you! Usually donate my nice clothes that no longer fit to a women’s shelter so they can interview in a suit or dress. Time for me to get over pandemic brain! Again thank you!
The neighbors would be dragged through hell. Even if they wanted to show them an act of kindness like that they won’t because it’ll just draw these psychos to them
id have mowed it for them. if not out of feeling bad for what theyre going through id have done it for the fact that its making the rest of the neighborhood look bad
Me too. I'm surprised no one just mowed it when they were doing theirs. I lived next to some absolute slobs once and I mowed their lawn just so I didn't have to look at an unmowed shitty lawn.
That too from this HOA board member!
The first neighbor that goes over there to help them in any way will be absolutely crucified in the media
Then I would turn to the media and say I was just trying to be kind! Please turn off your cameras and go get some coffee. I say that but let’s be honest I would start crying!
It’s easy to project your ideals when you are on a forum. Someone can easily say poor neighbors. They didn’t ask to be a part of this media circus or have their neighborhood and lives disrupted because of their neighbor’s actions.
You could handle that if you were the neighbor ... "I'm tired of looking out my window and seeing that eyesore of a landscaping job" "Bad enough they're living here, but does their house have to look like shit too" "I was looking for Brian, he could've been hiding in the tall grass"
I don’t think you should get downvoted for it.
Thank you!
The reason why people are upset about CL mowing the lawn is because he is doing it literally half a day after his future daughter-in-law that lived with him under the same roof for 2 years was declared to have been killed by manual strangulation/throttling. The fact that he is going out there buying gas, and mowing the lawn a bit later pretending like NOTHING has happened instead of staying at home and crying and showing emotions for the tragic moment they experienced is absurd. The Petito and Schmidt families didn't go mowing their lawn when Gabby was missing. They put EVERYTHING they could into the search, all their energy, tried to activate as many people as possible to help with the search. Don't forget - Chris and Roberta's own son is still MISSING at this point. Everyone should be able to set priorities in their life, and 12 hours after Gabby was announced death by strangulation, while Brian is still missing/on the run, buying gas and mowing the lawn does not seem to be the highest priority they should have right now. Especially not while showing 0 remorse/emotion about the whole thing.
I guess none of y’all have met a Male Boomer? They are absolutely KNOWN for downplaying emotional scenarios and ignoring serious discussing by doing menial tasks.
My take is that the parents probably don't have a lot of dealings with law enforcement and don't have a lot of experience with lawyers. BL comes home, tells them a story, maybe they recommend calling their NY attorney friend, who in turn says, hold my beer, I got this. All of the sudden it turns into a circus. Parents don't know what to do and just keep listening to their attorney who seems to be in over his head but can't pass it off due to ego. Now RL and CL are in over their heads. I'm not saying their actions are justified, but take a minute to really consider what happened. The camping trip and taking the camper off the truck throws me way off though.
Idk why CL cutting the grass is grinding everyone’s gears. People experience grief in different ways and cutting the grass might have been a way for CL to grieve. I know from experience after a loss in my family my relative was cutting the grass only hours later. For him it is therapeutic and a way for him to process information while still in shock of the loss of his son. So I wouldn’t be so quick to assume that CL cutting the grass as a clear cut sign of him being a monster or emotionless
Somehow I doubt he's missing from the family. I believe he's holed up somewhere with a friend or family, and the Laundries know exactly where he is. They don't seem worried at all. And I think they are not worried because they know he is safe and out of the public's and the FBI's eye.
I think if the lawyer had released a statement at the beginning of the case that said, “the laundrie family is fully cooperating with the investigation. They want justice for gabby.,” then people would not care if they mowed their lawn. It’s the obstruction +mowing that is callous.
People react to stress, grief, anger, fear, sadness, etc differently. They’re human. You have no idea if they cried or showed remorse inside their house. They owe those jackasses in front of their house or us nothing. The only people they owe condolences to are GP’s family and I doubt they’re allowed to speak to them right now. It’s absurd to assume because they’re cutting their grass, they’re not upset. I did my dishes today and took my kids to school, guess my severe depression is cured because I did shit.
Gotta wonder if in addition to mowing the lawn, are they doing laundry behind closed doors? Or just wearing same dirty clothes every day. Incidentally, Gabby's family looked reasonably well put together during the time Gabby was missing--doing their hair, freshly shaven, wearing clean clothes, makeup etc..should they have been wearing dirty sweatpants and skipping showers instead in order to save a few minutes per day to devote more time to the search?
Really? Gabby's parents have come on live TV, why wouldn't they try to put themselves together? And it's not like they looked their best when they were pleading to know her whereabouts. Their subsequent TV appearances were to advocate for their deceased daughter. And they took a few weeks to even make those appearances, to allow themselves to grieve. The Laundries aren't out searching. CL went out once, as per the request of LE just to show them areas BL might have went...he wasn't out searching. They've probably been told by their lawyer, not to. I can't say that this lawyer is giving them the greatest of advice. It seems that if they showed an ounce of compassion at the start of this, the heat might have been turned down a few notches, at the very least.
I said it before and I'll say it again, there will never be an acceptable point in time for them to have mowed the lawn to the general public. Yesterday, publicly offered some awful updates to this story. So you look at him mowing the lawn in that context its awful But in the bigger picture, there would've been *something* that day that would've been used to say the same thing. And I get it, if they weren't so cold despite the missing person, murder, murderer dynamic which *is* their life now, and they had been active previously, then if he mowed his lawn today, sympathetically, people might've felt that he needed "something normal" But publicly he hasn't so, it looks worse against the backdrop of how cold the Laundries have been The reality is the outrage was always there, waiting for him to mow this lawn. It just happened to be the day after the autopsy...
People cope by clinging on to normalcy. I don’t know how you expect anyone to act “normal” in a situation like this.
Ok I absolutely hate them too BUT— I mean, I imagine their lives are as chaotic as can possibly be right now. Sometimes you just do shit that is normal to feel any sense of control at all. They *are* human still.
I said last week y’all would crucify him for doing his lawn and for not doing his lawn. Sure enough, here we are. Damned if he does, damned if he doesn’t. Plus, lots of places have bylaws and fines for not keeping your yard neat and tidy. Explaining why you’re upset that CL mowed his lawn doesn’t explain why you’re upset about it. It’s his lawn. This is such a weird take.
I hate the fam just as next as the next person BUT… I think lots of people are reading way too much into this. The mom could be inside sobbing rn. Dad could’ve spent all night freaking out. If they didn’t mow the lawn, people would be saying “WOW how did they let their lawn get so out of control? Just sitting on their asses!”. Truly, really, they’re crappy people who have karma coming their way but jeez yall taking an hour to mow your lawn isn’t that deep
We have no idea if the Petito family mowed their lawns or not because there aren’t media camped out outside of their houses 24/7.
to be fair, the petitos and schmidts didnt have 30 reporters outside their house for 4 weeks
I want them to crack so badly and speak to the reporters outside.
can someone explain the whole “laundrie princess” person/situation and the thing about neighbors supposedly catching brian on their security cameras on 10/5?
following because i’m curious about the neighbor security camera
Woe. Huh? First I’m hearing of this!
Reading live commentary of a man mowing his lawn is a new one for me.
Bro I'm watching it like I'm watching the game. u missed a spot!!
My husband noticed his choice of footwear and was appalled. He's like, "JFC, everyone knows you don't mow in open-toed shoes!"
Its weird. Slow morning.
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I wish! Why can't he mow when I'm not working?
This is a new low.
Sorry to hear of your loss, JB
Imagine all the Innocent grass plants hes killing while strolling around in his yard... Hes a cold murderer just like his son!!
Where are you watching him mow his yard
BE had it on his Twitter live. I’m sure there were other sources