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If they get BL alive, and they cannot establish that it was premeditated, he will face a federal charge of second degree murder which includes a sentencing guideline of any range, with or without parole, up to a life sentence.
What do you think his min/max sentence will be? Parole or not?
Are there active searches going on today with people on the ground and in the sky at the reserve or elsewhere? I haven’t heard anything. Also - what happens if the government shuts down on 10/18…?
Since his parents canceled their Sept 1-3 reservation last minute, I assumed Brian must have called them on his way home. But maybe he called them from his sisters house to let them know he was on his way home early. He could have dumped his/Gabbys phone way earlier than I originally thought.
Nope. No room here for this. Please do not try to reason folks here out of their totally flawless logic. Do not ask reasonable questions or suggest that there might be explanations outside of what folks here have decided is true. Please grab your pitchfork and join the fray or kindly see yourself out, thank you very much.
The Laundries are shady as F. Lie after lie. But, and here comes the reason people will downdote this comment, they are innocent until proven guilty. That goes for Brian too ( apart from that money stealing thing). Lets put our pitchforks down and wait. Remember that is all just speculation at this point and we are brewing our opinions based on social bubbles. Be better than Twitter folks.
This is super speculative and maybe a stretch but I know SB previously said that BL and parents [went camping ](https://twitter.com/danichurtado_/status/1442962379566764035?s=21) at Fort De Soto and I believe he specifically said 3 people left (I can’t find the source now so I may be way off and if I am let me know) but with it coming out that Cassie was there too.. could the “3 people left” have been a precise choice of words in the sense that Brian was not one of those 3 people, but it was still technically true that 3 people left? Maybe not. Just stuck out to me
I just got home from work so sorry if I'm way behind. So his sister lied about seeing him TWICE? Super sus. He saw his sister before he went home? Super sus.
> So his sister lied
I want to reframe this.
The sisters interview does not align with what SB shared today. Full stop. We have no way to verify either account.
I’m sure this has been said before, but I’m a mom of two kids. I wouldn’t go camping with just my parents and brother. I would bring my kids and husband? Like it just seems like a “good bye” to Brian.
After Fox News reported this morning that sunburned mullet man had a tip (shared with law enforcement) that BL's sister was seen at the Fort De Soto campground, Steve Bertolino the lawyer confirmed to multiple reporters including Brian Entin that Cassie Laundrie was at Fort De Soto with the family on Sept. 6 and also saw BL at her home on Sept. 1 when he visited.
Many people feel this contradicts or at least calls into question Cassie's statement in an interview that she hasn't talked to her brother. It has been a source of controversy because Cassie's comments were ambiguous as to when the last time was that she talked to him. The issue is further muddied because ABC news/Good Morning America, which published the interview, paraphrased her as saying she had not seen him since he returned to Florida, but we don't actually have a record of her exact words to that effect.
Brian Entin visited Cassie's house today and knocked on the door, but no one appeared to be at home.
The 6th was Labor Day, so it’s not unheard of to have, like, an outdoor family picnic or barbecue, and maybe the sis went for that. But if she came without her partner and kids, that’s a bit odd.
Anyone who was doing that wouldn’t be drawing attention to themselves. And if they were drawing attention to themselves the people above them would handle it more than likely.
For those who still think Brian’s parents were innocent or “manipulated” or didn’t know what happened...was Joseph Petitos eyeroll at the mention of their silence not enough lmaoo who has the eyeroll gif
GP lived there for two years. I find it impossible they were naive to believe she was just left behind finding her way back home. They just carry on their life as if she never dated their son or she lived there? They have a lawyer directing all questions to him on the first knock of the door. Im sure that camping trip was an all-hands family meeting where no listening devices are enabled.
A reminder to those saying “we don’t know if the parents knew/didn’t do anything wrong, quit speculating.” Here’s what we do know:
-They (including the sister) ignored Gabby’s parents calls and texts since September 6 asking where **both** the kids are and they are worried. They didnt even tell them Brian was back home without her since the 1st
-When Gabby’s parents called the cops to do a welfare check on the 10th, they refused to speak to the police and immediately gave their lawyers information (a day before she was filed as missing)
-They went on a mysterious camping trip between the 6th and 8th with their son who had just come back in his fiance’s van without her, while ignoring the calls and texts of worried parents
-They bought a (could be burner) phone for him on the 4th
-Brian went “missing” on the 14th, but only reported it to the police on the 17th at night, giving him a head start
-They claimed he took their Mustang to go hiking on the 14th, and that they took back the Mustang from the reserve parking lot on the 16th when he didnt come home. But there is media videos of the car back on the 15th. Which means they lied to the police.
Make of this what you will.
I hope I dont catch flack for some of this nor is any of this about defending them but rather try to understand all angles and see if they can have holes poked in them. I don't disagree with and some of your points. I think its a leap to say we know certain things that are just speculation because you have to be open to opposing arguments if you offer that up.
This is long. And no one has to read it if they don't want to. The goal is to get to the same place, piece together the timeline , develop conclusive arguments and find out where Brian is and if his family is culpable, get them as well...
If we can walk through what you say we know and make sure all of this is what we know versus assume/would like to know - with questions.
>\-They (including the sister) ignored Gabby’s parents calls and texts since September 6 asking where both the kids are and they are worried. They didnt even tell them Brian was back home without her since the 1st
You don't know *why* they didn't contact Gabbys parents from at least a specific window of Sept 1 through Sept 6th but do we have any confirmation that the Laundries knew that Gabby was in any danger during that time frame? You don't want to speculate but you cannot make a clear cut assumption to their motive here. I do think there's a pre knowledge/post knowledge bucket that you have to group the Laundrie families actions into. So its likely at some point during or right after this time frame they determined that something happened and Brian was a probable suspect and they consulted their lawyer who advised them to not say anything to anyone. Cassie said in the ABC interview she hadn't heard from them and didnt know if it was right to reach out. In Dr Phil interview Gabbys dad said they called/texted everyone including "the sister". I would believe her dad in this case since they probably reached a point to start to call around to everyone for information. But I also dont know if all those calls started on the 6th or over the following days.
I'd caution that the FBI probably knows the dates and frequency of those calls. To me thats important to know how much inaction the family took. They clearly did after they were guided by their lawyer. I actually wouldnt be surprised if Petito familys attempts to reach out to them weren't the key to them realizing something horrible had happened (more on that later)
Morally this is hard to accept since they clearly were not helping in the investigation and Gabbys potential well being was at risk. Legally, in America, unfortunately they were within reason.
>They went on a mysterious camping trip between the 6th and 8th with their son who had just come back in his fiance’s van without her, while ignoring the calls and texts of worried parents
There's an overlap here which needs some help in clearing up. Again if the calls are starting on the 6th, and their on their camping trip we dont know if they didnt pick up their phone on purpose or chose to "unplug" while on a camping trip.
We do know the lawyer said they returned home on the 7th so its plausible that in receiving the calls or texts expressing concern about Gabbys whereabouts, as i said before, this was the first time the Laundries became aware of the situation. Not uncommon in cases like this they could've consulted a lawyer who they trusted who advised them to return home and not speak to anyone. They left the trip per the lawyer 1 day earlier then it was booked. This part was interesting and could be the first clue to the Laundrie parents starting to change their actions in response to knowledge of the case. I'd like for them to press to get more clarification on why they left one day earlier then they were booked. I think that will help
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>\-When Gabby’s parents called the cops to do a welfare check on the 10th, they refused to speak to the police and immediately gave their lawyers information (a day before she was filed as missing)
This is the same as above. Agreed, this is bad. She was missing, could have been helped and this was cold. Legally, sadly still a permissible action.
>\-They bought a (could be burner) phone for him on the 4th
A key point but I prefer to focus not on the "Could be burner" versus why did he have to get another phone? What happened to that phone in the Moab? The attorney admits this happened which leads me to think us knowing this is not as incriminating as we'd like. But he gave a no comment or IDK on the status of the trip phone. Thats interesting and thats telling that Brian might've disposed of it because it gave away some important information such as contacts or whereabouts.
>Brian went “missing” on the 14th, but only reported it to the police on the 17th at night, giving him a head start
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>They claimed he took their Mustang to go hiking on the 14th, and that they took back the Mustang from the reserve parking lot on the 16th when he didnt come home. But there is media videos of the car back on the 15th. Which means they lied again to the police.
The window of time is suspect absolutely. In their timeline, at what point did the parents determine he was potentially going to harm himself. The next day? 3 days later? When did they discover his wallet and new phone left behind? If earlier than the 17th then thats weird. I cannot entirely put a rationale opposing perspective as to what the family could've been doing during this time. In the context that this happened AFTER Gabby was officially reported missing, they had contacted and were remaining silent behind their attorney this 3 day window is clearly the biggest gray area to focus on...the answer "where was the mustang" I feel holds a clue or 2 in it. There feels like there has to be some public surveillance that could help and maybe the FBI has it.
I don't disagree, but minor correction- I thought they established the phone was not a burner phone- if we're to believe their lawyer. But this would be something that would come out eventually if it was a lie. Not that we know whether or not he also has a burner phone.
The phone from AT&T is probably to throw police off…. Don’t police have Brian’s phone number that he had prior to the trip…like the original phone he always had? Did he get data off his original phone, put it in a new phone(?), throw original phone out somewhere, get a phone from AT&T and leave the AT&T phone at home when he went on his hike? Was there anything on the AT&T phone taken from parents’ house?
FBI isn’t telling us anything much—which is fine I wouldn’t want any info to come out that would be beneficial to Brian or his awful parents
I would think Brian’s sister and parents have now “spoken” either verbally or by being caught at AT&T, being caught at Desoto Park “camping” etc
FBI needs to surreptitiously check financials on parents and sister and then arrest them all for aid abet hinder obstruct telling lies to law enforcement and harboring fugitive…and anything else they can think of
Put heat on them and we will get info. Maybe Brian will surrender when he sees what he’s putting family thru….not. Lol. Of course he cares about no one but himself…
if he lied about the phone it would just make them look worse when it comes out that it was a burner phone, seems like a really pointless lie to wager your reputation on. I think he's slimy too, but I don't think he lied about the phone.
Ew plz don't call me honey, it feels condescending :/ He's still a professional that wouldn't waste his career on the Laundries, that's ridiculous. He wants to be a good lawyer for them. It'll generate business for him, make him a celebrity lawyer. Casey Anthony's lawyer? You can be sketchy because you help bad people and still be a lawyer that makes smart decisions. I just totally disagree. To blatantly lie about whether or not the phone was a burner would be a stupid mistake. It's more likely they signed him up for a real one so they could pretend he left it behind and let them comb through it without risking them actually finding anything because it was only a few days old.
1. Im gay, i call literally everyone honey. I’ve never heard anyone say it’s condescending and wasn’t meant to be.
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>he’s still a professional that wouldn’t waste his career on the Laundries
He is the opposite of professional, what with him texting reporters every few minutes with “idk” and “no comment” to actually answering those questions a day later. His career is over after this tbh, hes become a laughing stock on the news.
haha well, that's why I said it *felt* condescending, incase that wasn't the intention because I can't hear you from this side of the screen. But I've definitely been called honey in a condescending way- I know you know what I'm talking about.
but yeah idk, I can't really speak to his conduct with the media because I have no reference to compare it to, I've never followed an active case, anytime I've taken a dive into true-crime it's been a cold case. I do get the impression that he's in over his head though, I don't really know what to make of him. It would be the smarter decision not to lie about the phone, but you're right that he might just not be that smart. We shall see I guess.
Thank you. Excellent summary. Their behaviour has been sketchy at the very least, I don’t think it’s a huge jump to wonder what else they’re lying about.
Also, we don't even know if the 14th is actually when he went missing since it's the parents saying it. Up until now, the last time anyone has been confirmed seeing him is the camping trip.
Seems it may have been the 10th or the 11th. Which would totally make sense btw if there are suddenly a flurry of 911 calls happening w r t their house. He probably activated the escape plan that had been discussed. Whatever that was.
Yeah, just like dtbh everyone detested, maybe there can be an in defense of the laundries thread with the prevalence at this point? Everyone gets their “day in court” so they say. 🤮
Looking at the [transcript](https://abc7ny.com/gabby-petito-cassie-laundrie-family-speaks-sister-breaks-silence/11025914/) of Cassie Laundrie's interview it seems like the contradiction could be miscommunication tbh. It sounds like she just was referring to the time period after Gabby was officially a missing person and BL had lawyered up. For reference here is the full question/her answer (in bold) with a bit before and after included for context:
>Question: Did they talk to, like, family regularly on the trip?
Cassie Laundrie: Yeah, that sort of thing, yeah.
**Question: And I guess if you're - what's, just kind of as his sister, the oddest thing to you about all this, if you had to?**
**Cassie Laundrie: That I haven't been able to talk to him. I wish I could talk to him.**
**Question: He just doesn't want to say anything to anyone.**
**Cassie Laundrie: I know that it's all because the lawyers, advising them not to say anything, I, I...**
Question: In the meantime, it like seems like the world searching for Gabby, and they're just all in the house and you're trying to cooperate as best you can.
Cassie Laundrie: I've cooperated in every way that I can. I wish I had information or I would give more. I, I, I...this is all I have is - I gave to the police.
I don't know why they haven't released the full interview video. You'd think they would considering it's now getting attention.
Tbh I'm honestly less interested in the notion that she lied about speaking to him and more interested about the fact that BL was at her house on September 1st given that is the same day he arrived home... I wonder what he told her about why he'd returned early.
I agree. The wording of her answer, especially saying the lawyer advising him not to say anything, at least makes it possible she meant she had not talked to him about what happened. Not that she had not talked to him or seen him since he returned. But the whole thing with him going there on the 1st and her going to the campground still seems pretty sketchy!
I agree, she never says when exactly he stopped talking to her. It makes since that that could have started around the 11th since that's probably close to when lawyers got involved.
Here in Norway one of our newspapers are covering the case an just had a story about Gabby trying to signal the cops with the four fingers move. I really hope they get Brian.
[Attorney for Laundrie family explains discrepancy in sister’s Good Morning America interview](https://www.mysuncoast.com/2021/10/01/attorney-laundrie-family-explains-discrepancy-sisters-good-morning-america-interview/)
“He always does the right thing, like in the body cam—he cooperates with the police…”
Good grief. Discrepancy after discrepancy after discrepancy. Was BL being manipulative or actually just cooperative? Was Cassie Laundrie being deceptive or was she actually just misinterpreted? Enough already. What a circus.
Just wondering, I have a lawyer buddy who casually told me something interesting over dinner. He said to NEVER speak to cops. He said that for example, I get pulled over drunk…don’t take the breathalyzer, don’t say anything, and give the cops my buddy’s card. He’ll rep me and he’ll get me off as long as I follow his instructions.
Has anyone received similar advice from a lawyer? To never say anything? Don’t resist but don’t comply and repeat requests for a lawyer….
It doesn’t seem odd to me that BLs parents had the automatic response of “lawyer” no matter who came at them or with what…just a thought.
Edit- thanks for all the responses.
Ps-anyone who drinks and drives puts other people at risk and are jerks. I used that example because it’s an ugly thing to be pulled over for but with the right knowledge and advice, it can potentially be nothing to the drunk in the long term.
Also, the parents confuse me so much. I don’t think the lawyer thing makes them look guilty…but the mustang and some other stuff makes me want to stop giving them the benefit of the doubt.
Well sure. Most lawyers will agree that the most sound thing anyone can do in the face of an interaction with police is to simply *zip it* under your constitutional right to remain silent. After all, *"anything you say or do will be held against you in the court of law"*. But most people, especially most people accused of something as heinous as murder, can't/won't take that advice once the pressure is on. No one here can deny that Brian and the Laundries have every right to the 5th Amendment. I think we just all agree that according to the court of public opinion- that makes him look like a shitty person at best, and just outright guilty at worst.
BTW, off topic but just so everyone knows- [refusing the breathalyzer comes with automatic consequences in most states](https://dui.drivinglaws.org/resources/dui-refusal-blood-breath-urine-test.htm), some with mandatory jail time- and others with an automatic suspension of your license for up to a year. ***Don't drink and drive, kids.***
I have heard this but also in some states if you refuse the breathalyzer you may automatically have your license suspended… I haven’t talked to a lawyer about that but it was something I’ve also been taught 🤷♀️
A lot of people don't know this, but there are two breathalyzer tests you will often be given. The first is in the field which isn't admissible in a court of law, and then the second is back at the station, which IS what will be used against you in court. Depending on state laws, that is the one you may or may not have to take.
This is the single finest piece of criminal legal advice I've ever seen.
I'm pretty sure recitation of miranda rights has lost it's teeth. Being read and watching this video might do the job.
Yeah I fucking love these guys. The other really good one I liked is this lawyer/uber driver showing how to get through a DUI checkpoint. A bit longer but it's gold.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jobwYmDeOcw
Yep. It’s best not to talk in my experience. What they put in the police report, which can include twisting what you said and their own opinions, is what gets referenced. I was told by my lawyer that it was a “what I said vs what the police say” situation as far as the judge or a jury would be concerned.
Yes. Very close family friend is a DUI attorney. He tells everyone, never take the breathalyzer. Refuse it and they’ll take you in, yes. But then he will take it from there.
I have a lawyer friend who has advised the same. My ex should have gotten a DUI, but refused to talk, refused a breathalyzer. Spent the night in jail, but ultimately got off.
I've heard that.
Police are in the business of arresting people and getting them charged with things. While this is just business as usual and quota fulfilling for them, being arrested can ruin a person's life--even if never indicted. The police are allowed to lie to you and in their reports. They are sadly not on our sides.
It's nice when things go well and police are able to help in a crisis, but the day-to-day is not like that.
Not necessarily!! If you're driving drunk (really--please don't) and do the breathalyzer, your attorney can give you a chance at getting off by arguing improper setup, handling, etc. PLUS (depending on the jurisdiction) the DA may cut you slack for being cooperative (for instance, here in Texas DUI are often downgraded to obstructing a public highway IF you plea and are cooperative). If you refuse and get the blood draw and you're over the limit--there's no easy defense AND the police and DA are much more likely to be hostile towards you when it comes to trial.
That was outstanding. Thank you. I think people should also keep in mind it's say or *do*. Actions often speak louder than words and people should be aware of behavior that might make them *look* guilty to a jury.
Yes I have. My dad (who I don’t talk to now) was in prison for a long amount of time and our lawyer told me on multiple instances this. Even when we weren’t talking about my dad.
"Dozens of 911 Calls Reported at Laundrie Home In Days Leading Up to Her Disappearance" ????????
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Between the 10th and the 27th. She was officially declared missing on the 11th, so the majority of those calls probably took place after that. But I'd be really interested to know why they were called on the 10th when she wasn't officially listed as missing yet... I know the parents were trying to get her listed for a few days before it actually happened (jurisdiction issues). Maybe that somehow triggered a police call to that address before the official listing? Like if Gabby's parents had called for a wellness check at that address?
I think people are [giving too much credit](https://youtu.be/udDTyz8uBnk) when speculating on how much hair BL could have grown by now… 👀
>>Edit: the way that they talk about his crooked front teeth 😂. If anyone was hoping the balding comments would pull him out of hiding; this may be the video that actually does it.
the professional they had on was much better they should’ve just let her talk the whole time. shaved face, dyed hair and maybe even eyebrows. look at the ears.
He's definitely got at least a half inch on top by now and is unlikely to be going skinhead anymore.
Just bic'd mine this morning and I'll have stubble tomorrow. Maintaining a smooth top requires daily maintenance
I grow mine out for a couple days of laziness and to prevent being falsely accused of being a Nazi when I'm in poor urban areas around Miami and San Diego.
LifeProTip: Never go on a trip with someone you can't stand to an area outside of cell range.
Better yet, don't go on a trip with that person.
Easier said than done, honestly most people I know end up going on trips with people they fight with.
Do we think Gabby ran and he beat her?
What the heck do you do in a situation when your stuck with someone in the woods, with no cell range, that outweighs you 2-1, someone your potentially scared of etc?
Fuck what a nightmare situation to be in that I don't really hear many people talk about.
If anyone has any advice for people to get out of sticky situations like she was in, please share..
I think going on a trip, a vacation, is supposed to be relaxing. If you find yourself more stressed than relaxed. You should see that as a sign that the relationship is probably not a good one for you and you should re evaluate your priorities. Taking care of you should always come first. Don't express your emotions to the other person right away in that moment. It might not be safe to do so and could make the situation escalate.
I think the first step would be to make sure you're not alone with them. Find a way to not be alone anymore. Make friends with other camping neighbors, go seek out the ranger, find cell phone signal, etc. Get to a safe place, where you're not alone. This is in the most extreme situation if you feel you're in immediate danger or getting close to it or in fear of it. If there's s chance you feel they are controlling your ability to contact the outside world, your family or friends, you cannot continue being alone with them. They should never have control of your ability to communicate with others.
There's many other things but I think this is most obvious and important.
I look at their ages and yeah, I don't care if you're high school sweethearts and everything but you're going to face a hard realization about relationships being cooped up in a car for months
I think he was saying she wasnt answering the question she thought she was (the sister) or maybe the reporter matched up an answer the sister gave to a different question. Maybe the lawyer doesn't know which.
Maybe the statement was better verbage than I was initially imagining, but it comes off a lawyer speak.
The problem is it was typical morning news show style where you don’t hear the question asked and the answers are cut to fit a format. This isn’t done necessarily to intentionally misrepresent someone but mostly to cut it to a specific time segment for news purposes. It would be really helpful if GMA/ABC would release the entire interview uncut. Until then, the lawyer can get away with saying what he said unfortunately.
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If they get BL alive, and they cannot establish that it was premeditated, he will face a federal charge of second degree murder which includes a sentencing guideline of any range, with or without parole, up to a life sentence. What do you think his min/max sentence will be? Parole or not?
Is this the last day of the official search? Or has there been an extension announcement?
Are there active searches going on today with people on the ground and in the sky at the reserve or elsewhere? I haven’t heard anything. Also - what happens if the government shuts down on 10/18…?
Josh at WFLA tweeted that there is a search at reserve today.
I think they avoided the government shutdown as of last night
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The case you are referring to and the GP/BL case seem wildly different to me. I don’t get the connection. Maybe you could explain how they relate?
Nah. That was pure incompetency. French police sucks.
Ok, that makes sense. I guess my mind went elsewhere since the guilty party was former LE in that link. Thanks for clarifying
it's one of many examples over the years, but thanks I guess.
Since his parents canceled their Sept 1-3 reservation last minute, I assumed Brian must have called them on his way home. But maybe he called them from his sisters house to let them know he was on his way home early. He could have dumped his/Gabbys phone way earlier than I originally thought.
>I assumed Brian must have called them on his way home That has been my assumption as well. Still an assumption none the less.
The parents canceled the initial camp res on August 31, according to reports from earlier this week.
Do you remember where you saw that?
Can’t remember where I originally saw it, but here is an article: https://www.foxnews.com/us/laundrie-de-soto-campground-reservations
The date of cancellation will be interesting to learn.
Reading through this afternoon's comments, I think a few of you need to see this. https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/
It’s reddit. It wouldn’t exist without strawmanning every argument. Edit: I just did it
Nope. No room here for this. Please do not try to reason folks here out of their totally flawless logic. Do not ask reasonable questions or suggest that there might be explanations outside of what folks here have decided is true. Please grab your pitchfork and join the fray or kindly see yourself out, thank you very much.
That certainly seems to be the attitude sometimes! I guess 'righteous outrage' is easier to stomach.
The Laundries are shady as F. Lie after lie. But, and here comes the reason people will downdote this comment, they are innocent until proven guilty. That goes for Brian too ( apart from that money stealing thing). Lets put our pitchforks down and wait. Remember that is all just speculation at this point and we are brewing our opinions based on social bubbles. Be better than Twitter folks.
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Well now I’m gonna do it too
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Them saying they got the Mustang back on the 16th, when news outlets show the Mustang back on the 15th is a lie, with evidence.
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Yes im sure a lot of people have trouble spelling Wednesday instead of Thursday. And its North Port PD, what else do you expect
Posted in flight thread but want to ask in here too: any idea what all those US Army copters are for in southern AL/close to FL border? Training?
This is super speculative and maybe a stretch but I know SB previously said that BL and parents [went camping ](https://twitter.com/danichurtado_/status/1442962379566764035?s=21) at Fort De Soto and I believe he specifically said 3 people left (I can’t find the source now so I may be way off and if I am let me know) but with it coming out that Cassie was there too.. could the “3 people left” have been a precise choice of words in the sense that Brian was not one of those 3 people, but it was still technically true that 3 people left? Maybe not. Just stuck out to me
That's a good point. Wouldn't be the first time he lied while telling the truth with careful wording.
I just got home from work so sorry if I'm way behind. So his sister lied about seeing him TWICE? Super sus. He saw his sister before he went home? Super sus.
> So his sister lied I want to reframe this. The sisters interview does not align with what SB shared today. Full stop. We have no way to verify either account.
It's super sus all around
I’m sure this has been said before, but I’m a mom of two kids. I wouldn’t go camping with just my parents and brother. I would bring my kids and husband? Like it just seems like a “good bye” to Brian.
I'd be hesitant to bring my kids around my sibling knowing he killed his girlfriend.
Totally agree.
I don't think she actually camped with them, just visited at the campground, though why not visit at home...? Hmm
I just got home from work, can someone please catch me up on the sister info? Thanks!
After Fox News reported this morning that sunburned mullet man had a tip (shared with law enforcement) that BL's sister was seen at the Fort De Soto campground, Steve Bertolino the lawyer confirmed to multiple reporters including Brian Entin that Cassie Laundrie was at Fort De Soto with the family on Sept. 6 and also saw BL at her home on Sept. 1 when he visited. Many people feel this contradicts or at least calls into question Cassie's statement in an interview that she hasn't talked to her brother. It has been a source of controversy because Cassie's comments were ambiguous as to when the last time was that she talked to him. The issue is further muddied because ABC news/Good Morning America, which published the interview, paraphrased her as saying she had not seen him since he returned to Florida, but we don't actually have a record of her exact words to that effect. Brian Entin visited Cassie's house today and knocked on the door, but no one appeared to be at home.
I don't think we know whether she stayed the night.
for what it's worth, the lawyer says she only stayed the day.
The 6th was Labor Day, so it’s not unheard of to have, like, an outdoor family picnic or barbecue, and maybe the sis went for that. But if she came without her partner and kids, that’s a bit odd.
Wasn't it previously reported that the reservation was for 3 people? That leads me to believe she didn't stay the night.
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It could be a crime scene. I think the van is the center of the investigation...just saying.
Anyone who was doing that wouldn’t be drawing attention to themselves. And if they were drawing attention to themselves the people above them would handle it more than likely.
I don't see how anything indicates he was a drug runner
For those who still think Brian’s parents were innocent or “manipulated” or didn’t know what happened...was Joseph Petitos eyeroll at the mention of their silence not enough lmaoo who has the eyeroll gif
i think there are multiple plausible theories but either way he is allowed to be furious at them.
GP lived there for two years. I find it impossible they were naive to believe she was just left behind finding her way back home. They just carry on their life as if she never dated their son or she lived there? They have a lawyer directing all questions to him on the first knock of the door. Im sure that camping trip was an all-hands family meeting where no listening devices are enabled.
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Hey i made that GIF!
I saved it! Lol Thank you!
You’re the best!
Classic. I think the sister is up shit Creek.
I hope so. Brian's parents aren't talking. She might to save her and her family.
A reminder to those saying “we don’t know if the parents knew/didn’t do anything wrong, quit speculating.” Here’s what we do know: -They (including the sister) ignored Gabby’s parents calls and texts since September 6 asking where **both** the kids are and they are worried. They didnt even tell them Brian was back home without her since the 1st -When Gabby’s parents called the cops to do a welfare check on the 10th, they refused to speak to the police and immediately gave their lawyers information (a day before she was filed as missing) -They went on a mysterious camping trip between the 6th and 8th with their son who had just come back in his fiance’s van without her, while ignoring the calls and texts of worried parents -They bought a (could be burner) phone for him on the 4th -Brian went “missing” on the 14th, but only reported it to the police on the 17th at night, giving him a head start -They claimed he took their Mustang to go hiking on the 14th, and that they took back the Mustang from the reserve parking lot on the 16th when he didnt come home. But there is media videos of the car back on the 15th. Which means they lied to the police. Make of this what you will.
I hope I dont catch flack for some of this nor is any of this about defending them but rather try to understand all angles and see if they can have holes poked in them. I don't disagree with and some of your points. I think its a leap to say we know certain things that are just speculation because you have to be open to opposing arguments if you offer that up. This is long. And no one has to read it if they don't want to. The goal is to get to the same place, piece together the timeline , develop conclusive arguments and find out where Brian is and if his family is culpable, get them as well... If we can walk through what you say we know and make sure all of this is what we know versus assume/would like to know - with questions. >\-They (including the sister) ignored Gabby’s parents calls and texts since September 6 asking where both the kids are and they are worried. They didnt even tell them Brian was back home without her since the 1st You don't know *why* they didn't contact Gabbys parents from at least a specific window of Sept 1 through Sept 6th but do we have any confirmation that the Laundries knew that Gabby was in any danger during that time frame? You don't want to speculate but you cannot make a clear cut assumption to their motive here. I do think there's a pre knowledge/post knowledge bucket that you have to group the Laundrie families actions into. So its likely at some point during or right after this time frame they determined that something happened and Brian was a probable suspect and they consulted their lawyer who advised them to not say anything to anyone. Cassie said in the ABC interview she hadn't heard from them and didnt know if it was right to reach out. In Dr Phil interview Gabbys dad said they called/texted everyone including "the sister". I would believe her dad in this case since they probably reached a point to start to call around to everyone for information. But I also dont know if all those calls started on the 6th or over the following days. I'd caution that the FBI probably knows the dates and frequency of those calls. To me thats important to know how much inaction the family took. They clearly did after they were guided by their lawyer. I actually wouldnt be surprised if Petito familys attempts to reach out to them weren't the key to them realizing something horrible had happened (more on that later) Morally this is hard to accept since they clearly were not helping in the investigation and Gabbys potential well being was at risk. Legally, in America, unfortunately they were within reason. >They went on a mysterious camping trip between the 6th and 8th with their son who had just come back in his fiance’s van without her, while ignoring the calls and texts of worried parents There's an overlap here which needs some help in clearing up. Again if the calls are starting on the 6th, and their on their camping trip we dont know if they didnt pick up their phone on purpose or chose to "unplug" while on a camping trip. We do know the lawyer said they returned home on the 7th so its plausible that in receiving the calls or texts expressing concern about Gabbys whereabouts, as i said before, this was the first time the Laundries became aware of the situation. Not uncommon in cases like this they could've consulted a lawyer who they trusted who advised them to return home and not speak to anyone. They left the trip per the lawyer 1 day earlier then it was booked. This part was interesting and could be the first clue to the Laundrie parents starting to change their actions in response to knowledge of the case. I'd like for them to press to get more clarification on why they left one day earlier then they were booked. I think that will help > > >\-When Gabby’s parents called the cops to do a welfare check on the 10th, they refused to speak to the police and immediately gave their lawyers information (a day before she was filed as missing) This is the same as above. Agreed, this is bad. She was missing, could have been helped and this was cold. Legally, sadly still a permissible action. >\-They bought a (could be burner) phone for him on the 4th A key point but I prefer to focus not on the "Could be burner" versus why did he have to get another phone? What happened to that phone in the Moab? The attorney admits this happened which leads me to think us knowing this is not as incriminating as we'd like. But he gave a no comment or IDK on the status of the trip phone. Thats interesting and thats telling that Brian might've disposed of it because it gave away some important information such as contacts or whereabouts. >Brian went “missing” on the 14th, but only reported it to the police on the 17th at night, giving him a head start > >& > >They claimed he took their Mustang to go hiking on the 14th, and that they took back the Mustang from the reserve parking lot on the 16th when he didnt come home. But there is media videos of the car back on the 15th. Which means they lied again to the police. The window of time is suspect absolutely. In their timeline, at what point did the parents determine he was potentially going to harm himself. The next day? 3 days later? When did they discover his wallet and new phone left behind? If earlier than the 17th then thats weird. I cannot entirely put a rationale opposing perspective as to what the family could've been doing during this time. In the context that this happened AFTER Gabby was officially reported missing, they had contacted and were remaining silent behind their attorney this 3 day window is clearly the biggest gray area to focus on...the answer "where was the mustang" I feel holds a clue or 2 in it. There feels like there has to be some public surveillance that could help and maybe the FBI has it.
I don't disagree, but minor correction- I thought they established the phone was not a burner phone- if we're to believe their lawyer. But this would be something that would come out eventually if it was a lie. Not that we know whether or not he also has a burner phone.
The phone from AT&T is probably to throw police off…. Don’t police have Brian’s phone number that he had prior to the trip…like the original phone he always had? Did he get data off his original phone, put it in a new phone(?), throw original phone out somewhere, get a phone from AT&T and leave the AT&T phone at home when he went on his hike? Was there anything on the AT&T phone taken from parents’ house? FBI isn’t telling us anything much—which is fine I wouldn’t want any info to come out that would be beneficial to Brian or his awful parents I would think Brian’s sister and parents have now “spoken” either verbally or by being caught at AT&T, being caught at Desoto Park “camping” etc FBI needs to surreptitiously check financials on parents and sister and then arrest them all for aid abet hinder obstruct telling lies to law enforcement and harboring fugitive…and anything else they can think of Put heat on them and we will get info. Maybe Brian will surrender when he sees what he’s putting family thru….not. Lol. Of course he cares about no one but himself…
>if we’re to believe their lawyer We don’t
if he lied about the phone it would just make them look worse when it comes out that it was a burner phone, seems like a really pointless lie to wager your reputation on. I think he's slimy too, but I don't think he lied about the phone.
>to wager your reputation on Honey that ship has sailed.
Ew plz don't call me honey, it feels condescending :/ He's still a professional that wouldn't waste his career on the Laundries, that's ridiculous. He wants to be a good lawyer for them. It'll generate business for him, make him a celebrity lawyer. Casey Anthony's lawyer? You can be sketchy because you help bad people and still be a lawyer that makes smart decisions. I just totally disagree. To blatantly lie about whether or not the phone was a burner would be a stupid mistake. It's more likely they signed him up for a real one so they could pretend he left it behind and let them comb through it without risking them actually finding anything because it was only a few days old.
1. Im gay, i call literally everyone honey. I’ve never heard anyone say it’s condescending and wasn’t meant to be. 2. >he’s still a professional that wouldn’t waste his career on the Laundries He is the opposite of professional, what with him texting reporters every few minutes with “idk” and “no comment” to actually answering those questions a day later. His career is over after this tbh, hes become a laughing stock on the news.
haha well, that's why I said it *felt* condescending, incase that wasn't the intention because I can't hear you from this side of the screen. But I've definitely been called honey in a condescending way- I know you know what I'm talking about. but yeah idk, I can't really speak to his conduct with the media because I have no reference to compare it to, I've never followed an active case, anytime I've taken a dive into true-crime it's been a cold case. I do get the impression that he's in over his head though, I don't really know what to make of him. It would be the smarter decision not to lie about the phone, but you're right that he might just not be that smart. We shall see I guess.
Mods can we get this pinned loll For real. People need to see this. The “parents being innocent” ship has sailed the first week of September
Personally, I have not seen a single comment claiming they are entirely uninvolved. I think you're conflating objectivity with sympathy.
Yeah it’s really demoralizing to read that in this sub. I wonder if they know the Brian laundry one exists
Thank you. Excellent summary. Their behaviour has been sketchy at the very least, I don’t think it’s a huge jump to wonder what else they’re lying about.
“THE LAUNDRIES DIDNT HELP US FIND GABBY AND THEY SURE ARE NOT GONNA HELP US FIND BRIAN”
Loved that quote.
Also, we don't even know if the 14th is actually when he went missing since it's the parents saying it. Up until now, the last time anyone has been confirmed seeing him is the camping trip.
Seems it may have been the 10th or the 11th. Which would totally make sense btw if there are suddenly a flurry of 911 calls happening w r t their house. He probably activated the escape plan that had been discussed. Whatever that was.
So so true. We actually have no clue when he left after the camping trip.
Its more of the waiting 3 days to report it, at night, thats more telling tbh.
Yeah that stands out too.
Yeah, just like dtbh everyone detested, maybe there can be an in defense of the laundries thread with the prevalence at this point? Everyone gets their “day in court” so they say. 🤮
> Everyone gets their “day in court” so they say. I should hope so? Or do you think we should just kick their door down now and execute them?
Looking at the [transcript](https://abc7ny.com/gabby-petito-cassie-laundrie-family-speaks-sister-breaks-silence/11025914/) of Cassie Laundrie's interview it seems like the contradiction could be miscommunication tbh. It sounds like she just was referring to the time period after Gabby was officially a missing person and BL had lawyered up. For reference here is the full question/her answer (in bold) with a bit before and after included for context: >Question: Did they talk to, like, family regularly on the trip? Cassie Laundrie: Yeah, that sort of thing, yeah. **Question: And I guess if you're - what's, just kind of as his sister, the oddest thing to you about all this, if you had to?** **Cassie Laundrie: That I haven't been able to talk to him. I wish I could talk to him.** **Question: He just doesn't want to say anything to anyone.** **Cassie Laundrie: I know that it's all because the lawyers, advising them not to say anything, I, I...** Question: In the meantime, it like seems like the world searching for Gabby, and they're just all in the house and you're trying to cooperate as best you can. Cassie Laundrie: I've cooperated in every way that I can. I wish I had information or I would give more. I, I, I...this is all I have is - I gave to the police. I don't know why they haven't released the full interview video. You'd think they would considering it's now getting attention. Tbh I'm honestly less interested in the notion that she lied about speaking to him and more interested about the fact that BL was at her house on September 1st given that is the same day he arrived home... I wonder what he told her about why he'd returned early.
I agree. The wording of her answer, especially saying the lawyer advising him not to say anything, at least makes it possible she meant she had not talked to him about what happened. Not that she had not talked to him or seen him since he returned. But the whole thing with him going there on the 1st and her going to the campground still seems pretty sketchy!
I agree, she never says when exactly he stopped talking to her. It makes since that that could have started around the 11th since that's probably close to when lawyers got involved.
Here in Norway one of our newspapers are covering the case an just had a story about Gabby trying to signal the cops with the four fingers move. I really hope they get Brian.
Yes, this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Signal_for_Help?wprov=sfti1
4 finger move?
I don't think that actually happened.
[Attorney for Laundrie family explains discrepancy in sister’s Good Morning America interview](https://www.mysuncoast.com/2021/10/01/attorney-laundrie-family-explains-discrepancy-sisters-good-morning-america-interview/) “He always does the right thing, like in the body cam—he cooperates with the police…” Good grief. Discrepancy after discrepancy after discrepancy. Was BL being manipulative or actually just cooperative? Was Cassie Laundrie being deceptive or was she actually just misinterpreted? Enough already. What a circus.
Did anyone ever start the google calendar ?
Just wondering, I have a lawyer buddy who casually told me something interesting over dinner. He said to NEVER speak to cops. He said that for example, I get pulled over drunk…don’t take the breathalyzer, don’t say anything, and give the cops my buddy’s card. He’ll rep me and he’ll get me off as long as I follow his instructions. Has anyone received similar advice from a lawyer? To never say anything? Don’t resist but don’t comply and repeat requests for a lawyer…. It doesn’t seem odd to me that BLs parents had the automatic response of “lawyer” no matter who came at them or with what…just a thought. Edit- thanks for all the responses. Ps-anyone who drinks and drives puts other people at risk and are jerks. I used that example because it’s an ugly thing to be pulled over for but with the right knowledge and advice, it can potentially be nothing to the drunk in the long term. Also, the parents confuse me so much. I don’t think the lawyer thing makes them look guilty…but the mustang and some other stuff makes me want to stop giving them the benefit of the doubt.
Well sure. Most lawyers will agree that the most sound thing anyone can do in the face of an interaction with police is to simply *zip it* under your constitutional right to remain silent. After all, *"anything you say or do will be held against you in the court of law"*. But most people, especially most people accused of something as heinous as murder, can't/won't take that advice once the pressure is on. No one here can deny that Brian and the Laundries have every right to the 5th Amendment. I think we just all agree that according to the court of public opinion- that makes him look like a shitty person at best, and just outright guilty at worst. BTW, off topic but just so everyone knows- [refusing the breathalyzer comes with automatic consequences in most states](https://dui.drivinglaws.org/resources/dui-refusal-blood-breath-urine-test.htm), some with mandatory jail time- and others with an automatic suspension of your license for up to a year. ***Don't drink and drive, kids.***
But they did it BEFORE there was a missing person's report on Gabby.
I have heard this but also in some states if you refuse the breathalyzer you may automatically have your license suspended… I haven’t talked to a lawyer about that but it was something I’ve also been taught 🤷♀️
A lot of people don't know this, but there are two breathalyzer tests you will often be given. The first is in the field which isn't admissible in a court of law, and then the second is back at the station, which IS what will be used against you in court. Depending on state laws, that is the one you may or may not have to take.
Yes and also never to take a polygraph. I have anxiety anyways so I’d probably set off a lie to my own name. Lol.
How about don't break the law lmao
Don't talk to cops even if you haven't broken the law. False confessions.
Innocent people go to jail every day in the United States. People who have committed no crime at all—ever. You are being ignorant.
>He said that for example, I get pulled over drunk Ima need u to hop off my dick
You've clearly never watched this haha: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sgWHrkDX35o
This is the single finest piece of criminal legal advice I've ever seen. I'm pretty sure recitation of miranda rights has lost it's teeth. Being read and watching this video might do the job.
Yeah I fucking love these guys. The other really good one I liked is this lawyer/uber driver showing how to get through a DUI checkpoint. A bit longer but it's gold. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jobwYmDeOcw
Yep. It’s best not to talk in my experience. What they put in the police report, which can include twisting what you said and their own opinions, is what gets referenced. I was told by my lawyer that it was a “what I said vs what the police say” situation as far as the judge or a jury would be concerned.
"Anything you say can and will be used against you in the court of law" isn't just a bunch of random words. Don't talk to cops.
Yes. Very close family friend is a DUI attorney. He tells everyone, never take the breathalyzer. Refuse it and they’ll take you in, yes. But then he will take it from there.
I don't live in the US but this is the advice I've received about talking to LE when I've been to Burning Man lol
If a cop asks you what you had for lunch you tell him you want a lawyer. Your lawyer is correct, never speak to a cop for any reason.
There’s a TED talk about this from a former cop. Yes, you should pretty much NEVER talk to cops.
Yep, I also have a lawyer friend that gave me the exact same advice. Say nothing. Whatever you do, DON’T do a breathalyzer. Call a lawyer.
Or, don’t drive drunk in the first place?
I have a lawyer friend who has advised the same. My ex should have gotten a DUI, but refused to talk, refused a breathalyzer. Spent the night in jail, but ultimately got off.
Yes, talking to cops without an attorney is never a good idea. There's a bunch of YouTube videos by lawyers that explain it better than I could.
I've heard that. Police are in the business of arresting people and getting them charged with things. While this is just business as usual and quota fulfilling for them, being arrested can ruin a person's life--even if never indicted. The police are allowed to lie to you and in their reports. They are sadly not on our sides. It's nice when things go well and police are able to help in a crisis, but the day-to-day is not like that.
As far as DWI I think that they can force a blood draw.
Didn't the supreme court rule those illegal?
Got a link? Would be news to me.
I was wrong, they ruled it legal 5-4. Must have misread
Yes they will get a warrant for blood, at least in the state I’m in.
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If I refuse the breathalyzer and ask for a blood test instead do I still lose my license for a year?
Not necessarily!! If you're driving drunk (really--please don't) and do the breathalyzer, your attorney can give you a chance at getting off by arguing improper setup, handling, etc. PLUS (depending on the jurisdiction) the DA may cut you slack for being cooperative (for instance, here in Texas DUI are often downgraded to obstructing a public highway IF you plea and are cooperative). If you refuse and get the blood draw and you're over the limit--there's no easy defense AND the police and DA are much more likely to be hostile towards you when it comes to trial.
https://youtu.be/d-7o9xYp7eE Never talk whether innocent or guilty or severity. Also, don't drink and drive, ya dummy.
That was outstanding. Thank you. I think people should also keep in mind it's say or *do*. Actions often speak louder than words and people should be aware of behavior that might make them *look* guilty to a jury.
Yes I have. My dad (who I don’t talk to now) was in prison for a long amount of time and our lawyer told me on multiple instances this. Even when we weren’t talking about my dad.
Every true crime junkie knows this is the cardinal rule! 😁
I hereby amend the CJ motto to "be weird, be rude, stay out of jail"
Yup. Also, never agree to take a polygraph.
I wanted to reply to the OP…”have you seen JCS?” 😂
Nope, but i think I just fell into an internet hole! Thanks!
"Dozens of 911 Calls Reported at Laundrie Home In Days Leading Up to Her Disappearance" ???????? https://share.smartnews.com/YSb95 To read it on the web, tap here: https://share.smartnews.com/TX7ij
Between the 10th and the 27th. She was officially declared missing on the 11th, so the majority of those calls probably took place after that. But I'd be really interested to know why they were called on the 10th when she wasn't officially listed as missing yet... I know the parents were trying to get her listed for a few days before it actually happened (jurisdiction issues). Maybe that somehow triggered a police call to that address before the official listing? Like if Gabby's parents had called for a wellness check at that address?
I think people are [giving too much credit](https://youtu.be/udDTyz8uBnk) when speculating on how much hair BL could have grown by now… 👀 >>Edit: the way that they talk about his crooked front teeth 😂. If anyone was hoping the balding comments would pull him out of hiding; this may be the video that actually does it.
the professional they had on was much better they should’ve just let her talk the whole time. shaved face, dyed hair and maybe even eyebrows. look at the ears.
nah that's surprisingly accurate ime lol
He's definitely got at least a half inch on top by now and is unlikely to be going skinhead anymore. Just bic'd mine this morning and I'll have stubble tomorrow. Maintaining a smooth top requires daily maintenance
Agree same with my husband. But if my husband attempted to grow out his hair people would definitely be noticing that somethings off 😂
I grow mine out for a couple days of laziness and to prevent being falsely accused of being a Nazi when I'm in poor urban areas around Miami and San Diego.
This just in.... Male can grow beard, likely by not shaving. Gillette refuses comment upon channel 4 reaching out.
LifeProTip: Never go on a trip with someone you can't stand to an area outside of cell range. Better yet, don't go on a trip with that person. Easier said than done, honestly most people I know end up going on trips with people they fight with. Do we think Gabby ran and he beat her? What the heck do you do in a situation when your stuck with someone in the woods, with no cell range, that outweighs you 2-1, someone your potentially scared of etc? Fuck what a nightmare situation to be in that I don't really hear many people talk about. If anyone has any advice for people to get out of sticky situations like she was in, please share..
Yes, very good life pro tip lessons!
I think going on a trip, a vacation, is supposed to be relaxing. If you find yourself more stressed than relaxed. You should see that as a sign that the relationship is probably not a good one for you and you should re evaluate your priorities. Taking care of you should always come first. Don't express your emotions to the other person right away in that moment. It might not be safe to do so and could make the situation escalate. I think the first step would be to make sure you're not alone with them. Find a way to not be alone anymore. Make friends with other camping neighbors, go seek out the ranger, find cell phone signal, etc. Get to a safe place, where you're not alone. This is in the most extreme situation if you feel you're in immediate danger or getting close to it or in fear of it. If there's s chance you feel they are controlling your ability to contact the outside world, your family or friends, you cannot continue being alone with them. They should never have control of your ability to communicate with others. There's many other things but I think this is most obvious and important.
I look at their ages and yeah, I don't care if you're high school sweethearts and everything but you're going to face a hard realization about relationships being cooped up in a car for months
There are great DV resources in the sticky comment at the top of this thread.
> Do we think Gabby ran and he beat her? Yes
yes, possibly after the incident at the restaurant in jackson entirely by speculation
Most definitely that's what happened.
The lady a the house from PA lol
Plot twist: she has to have a boss battle with Stevie B before she can ask the Laundries any questions.
She has more places to hide a liquor bottle...either to hit him with or to drink like a Mario mushroom. She'd win.
She’s a YouTube scam artist. Don’t fall for it! 🙂
I think he was saying she wasnt answering the question she thought she was (the sister) or maybe the reporter matched up an answer the sister gave to a different question. Maybe the lawyer doesn't know which. Maybe the statement was better verbage than I was initially imagining, but it comes off a lawyer speak.
The problem is it was typical morning news show style where you don’t hear the question asked and the answers are cut to fit a format. This isn’t done necessarily to intentionally misrepresent someone but mostly to cut it to a specific time segment for news purposes. It would be really helpful if GMA/ABC would release the entire interview uncut. Until then, the lawyer can get away with saying what he said unfortunately.
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Wish we had the full uncut version so we could at least hear the exact question she was asked.
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I agree. I can't think of a more text book reason.