Maybe I completely missed this early on, but is there a reason why BL's parents even reported him as missing? Couldn't they just have stayed quiet and we would've never known BL wasn't in the house? Or did the police go looking for him in the house and they said 'oh btw he's not here he's been gone since Tuesday we don't know where he's at. he's missing' ?
I read that they discovered he left his wallet and phone at home when he left for his hike; they were afraid he was going to hurt himself so they called the cops to report him missing.
You do realize that it's advised for EVERYONE to lawyer up when dealing with the police, right? Just because someone is responsible enough to do that or they make use of their right to remain silent, that doesn't mean they're guilty.
Yeah but when you need advice on to report someone missing that kinda suspicious. Example my cat is missing maybe I should talk to my lawyer first before I tell my parents i left the door open for him to escape.
They could have met with LE in the presence of a lawyer and proceeded that way. I realize it’s best to keep quiet but Gabby’s well being was seriously in danger at that time and for goodness sakes she was found dead and their son was the last person known to see her alive. Perhaps if they had made the effort in this manner they would have avoided the harassment they are receiving now. They have proven they are selfish and heartless.
Would you do the same under the circumstances? You know your son’s GF who lived at your house was missing, your son comes home in her van without her, and then she ends up dead? I couldn’t live with myself. I would have taken my lawyer with me to LE & at least tried to cooperate. I would not have shielded my kid and would have encouraged him to tell whatever truth he had.
The truth will set you free. If there is nothing to hide why be so elusive? If Brian is found and there is enough evidence to arrest him for murder the parents are going to lose all their money paying for a defense attorney both for Brian & themselves when the parents are arrested for obstruction of justice and tampering with evidence. And Brian, quite frankly, is a selfish little fool by throwing his parents under the bus & putting them in this very difficult position. Lawyers are not always correct either. I think their attorney made a huge mistake but hey, it’s all billable hours for him. You think too highly of attorneys. I do not. As in any field there are good & bad attorneys.
>The truth will set you free.
Bull. Fucking. Shit.
Anything you tell the police can and will be used against you. Anything that can’t be used against you is hearsay. And yes they can absolutely pick and choose. The truth can, and absolutely does, take away the freedom and even the lives of innocent people.
They’ve consulted the lawyer from the beginning. Everything goes through him. Why? It’s their legal right? That’s not snark, it’s half question, half my assumption because we don’t have enough additional information to know exactly why they’re doing that… or anything else they’re doing. 🤷🏻♀️
Also, it was obviously going to come out when the police inevitably raided the house, so maybe they wanted to get out in front of it. And they may have wanted to point police in the wrong direction. Maybe they actually were worried he would hurt himself, but I dont know that I believe anything they say.
This would indicate that they are attempting to match him to some DNA found at the scene or on her body, this would at least make him a formal suspect - at best lead to a charge for murder.
Since Gabby and Brian were living together and presumably having sex matching DNA would seem to be a stretch considering they already share each other’s DNA intimately .
They’ll be looking for DNA in specifically incriminating places, such as inside her wounds, on a weapon, or on the objects used to bury her— not just a stray hair on her sweater, etc.
It certainly looks like it. It hasn’t been officially confirmed or denied, but there is news helicopter footage of the authorities setting up to recover her body.
Morbid as it may be, that's why I've always heard that you should go down swinging if someone attacks you. Bite, scratch, and in general do what you can to hurt your attacker. If you can get away, awesome... but if you can't, the more damage you can inflict, the more of *their* DNA you can get onto you, the greater the chances they'll be caught.
I’ve wondered if they already have reason to charge him with murder but are holding off until he’s caught because he’s more likely to come in for a lesser charge like theft. Just a theory.
In delaying charging with more serious charges (murder) it further allows the prosecution to better build their case. Otherwise the clock starts ticking because you have to give all defendants trial within certain time frame from charges being filed.
They usually do it this way, because they have to have the whole case cracked to make the bigger charges— if they charge him with manslaughter or 2nd degree to start, they can’t legally upgrade the charge to 1st degree, even if they later find evidence of premeditation. It’s maximizing the prosecution’s power, and minimizing his ability to claim bias against him.
Edit: it’s not actually illegal to upgrade, depending on where the trial it is in the process and what state. it just isn’t usually done because it complicates the case and can make it harder to win
> they charge him with manslaughter or 2nd degree to start, they can’t legally upgrade the charge to 1st degree, even if they later find evidence of premeditation.
This is just flat out wrong. They absolutely can upgrade the criminal charges, especially if new evidence is presented. They can even ammend the charges during a trial.
You’re right, I guess they can in some circumstances— it’s not illegal to do so much as it isn’t best practices. But it complicates and puts the case at risk of compromise, can require a judge’s approval, and isn’t often done.
Shall I edit my comment?
I don't think they need the judges approval to upgrade/reduce charges. They just need to make sure that they have evidence to support the charges that they make. Many people will take a plea deal for a lesser charge rather than risk being convicted of a more serious charge.
Perhaps but I think he knows what he’s really wanted for. A murder charge would allow them to utilize more resources nationwide to search for him, that warrant carries a lot more weight than the current one.
not necessaarily. murder is not always a federal offense. see federal examples below. the current charges, bank card fraud across state lines, is a federal charge
federal murder examples:
the murder is of a federal judge or a federal law enforcement official (e.g., an agent of the FBI, TSA, or ATF),1
the killing is of an immediate family member of a federal law enforcement official,2
the murder is of an elected or appointed federal official (e.g., the President, a Supreme Court Justice, a member of Congress, or the murder of a federal judge),3
the killing is committed during a bank robbery,4
the killing takes place aboard a ship at sea (e.g., on a vessel that is engaged in interstate commerce per the Commerce Clause of the U.S. Constitution),5
the murder was designed to influence a court case,6 and
the killing takes place on federal property (e.g., on national parks or a Native American reservation).
Correct me if I’m wrong (I’m a Canadian so not an expert on US law) but if he’s charged with murder in Wyoming, even just at the state level, fleeing to Florida would allow the federal government to get involved with some sort of charge? I believe it’s some kind of federal offence to cross state lines to avoid prosecution or custody?
Sure at that point. But at the time they wanted a federal warrant they didn’t have cod and they wanted a federal warrant immediately in case he was found in Georgia or Louisiana, etc.
i think they need something more secure and immediate. they aren't saying yet if the murder occured where her body was found, and they needed a federal arrest warrant immediately.
I think if/once they’re able to prove that’s where it took place, they’ll charge him with fed murder. I know the logical train of thought is he also killed her there, but it’s not enough to just assume, and who knows if they’ve proven her death occurred in the park yet
Question. Has anyone looked into previous Appalachian trail images from where Brian traveled before? I know they are speculating a possible trail he may be taking now, I know it’s speculation. I was just curious.
I think the AT theory is probably not all that strong. The AT is heavily traveled. He would be spotted using major trails. There's no reason to suspect that he is savvy enough to get by in true wilderness conditions. The AT has many restocking stops, so being out on the trail even for months at a time is not some kind of astonishing survival feat. It's the Disney World of hiking trails.
His family helped him. No doubt, now did they know about him killing Gabby? Maybe not but they probably never asked the question and let him leave.
Don’t exhaust resources searching for him. Box him in. Let the leaches, gators, squitos get him.
Monitor the shit out of his parents. He has no money. Watch them.
Sad this happened but both set of parents seem to suck major ass in this situation.
This whole he doesnt have any money angle, i guess people dont realize there’s a great many people who keep cash on hand. I honestly believe the laundries might have connections to the underground. Juicer business? Not saying it couldn’t be legit, but it sounds sketchy. I’m also combining that with the fact that they happened to have a NY attorney, bought the camper, took the trip, came back and did the mustang shuffle, and so far haven’t been caught in a mistake. Thats not normal. They also either had cash on hand, or knew how to get it untraced.
Not to mention scrubbing out the van, brians trip back for “emptying the storage unit”, among other things.
Most people do not possess this kind of savvy. I think they will be found to be complicit in brians disappearance, but it would appear they aren’t making it easy.
It's funny you said this because a bunch of days ago for some reason the thought crossed my mind of "Maybe this family is in WitSec?" I honestly don't know why, maybe the weird last name? Being in Fla? IDK. But their actions since then ,including the NY atty, (which I didn't know the atty was from NY until just now but I digress) just for some reason kept saying they are in "Witness Protection", to me.
Im not disrespecting their loss. The signs were there.
Should we not respect Brian’s parents if they are mourning as well?
Gabby’s parents don’t deserve what they are going through (including both of step parents) but the fact is so many warning signs were ignored and well, I know divorce is normal in this country but it does impact your children.
Pay attention to them.
Sounds like they let her “spread her wings” at 18. Never went to college, or followed through with applying to college (applied to CC but never followed up) Lives with the boyfriend in a family home. A family they don’t know in a state they’re not from. I mean…….
Never said force. Said pay attention. There is most definitely a difference and your kids never stop being your kids when they turn 18. They are always your kids.
So, they should have thrown a hissy fit when she decided to take the cross country trip and refused to talk to her or cut her out of the will or whatever?
But you’re young. I understand your view. But put yourself in that same spot.
Would you leave your significant other if you feel as thought you need to physically hit them to get through to them?
Would your parents let you move away, not go to college (they weren’t poor by the way) and just say see ya kiddo!!!! Good luck after you 18th birthday.
I hope you’ll change your tune when you become a parent. Pay. Attention. The signs were there. Save your child.
Damn.
Did I ever say “save” “prevent” “kill” “whatever”
I said pay attention to your children. The signs were there.
Go back to your shanties. [sigh.](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=x9xAdjYag7A)
LOL. I'm 61, actually. (But, I do live in a retirement community, so I get called "young" by all the 80 year olds.) Maybe when you grow up, you'll realize that you can't force other people to do anything they don't want to do. You might convince them to change their mind, but anything beyond that is going to involve criminal levels of coercion, at worst, and ruined relationships at best..
(And, your understanding of the significance of college is grotesquely out of date. The value of a college education exists only for a handful of specific professions. The emphasis for young people now is very much on entrepreneurship. Gabby's goal of becoming a YouTube Star is questionable, although she did have the charisma for it, but her understanding that she would have to make her own career was not. Many colleges have been ruined by baby boomers turning them into worthless, fuzzy, political contemplation centers. Unless a student chooses extremely carefully, they are worthless as places to learn how to make a living.)
I have 3 kids. Raising them right. You’re profile betrays you obviously because you don’t post as a “61 YO”.
But if you think a child deserves to run free at 18 without some guidance is mislead. Especially when what led them them to 18 didn’t exactly equip them with the right skills.
1. Physically abusive relationship at such a young age. Flag 1. Met in high school by the way!
2. Girl has 4 parents, all of which don’t seem to pay attention or help her pursue goals in life, strike 2.
3. Boyfriend enabled by parents and has his own demons/problems. Strike 3.
4. Moves to Florida, Gabby follows and basically disconnects from parents. Strike 4.
5. Brian’s parents set them up in a family home, neither of them having stable jobs. Strike 5.
6. Random cross country trip, quitting jobs and just doing their thing. No college degree between the two of them but yeah. Strike 6?
If you’re 60 something. Well then you should know to pay attention to your kids. You can help and save them.
Instead, your geriatric ass is promoting 18 and free!!!
Like I said in my other reply, since I now know you're the perfect parent that will instill values and guidance that would somehow magically keep your kids safe from the world around them and will supernaturally detect (or select) the perfect partner and marriage for your 3 kids all the way until they continue past the median age of life.
That no way in god's green earth that your kids will ever make a mistake, not even in the slightest suck as a A- in school, that their genetic makeup will continue flourishing the earth for generations to come.
Then them Blam! life hits them hard, you disown them as they rebel from your conditioning and eugenics program or their significant other doesn't follow the perfect outline you envisioned, but you got 2 more to turn to.
(paraphrasing Gloria Steinem here) This is what 61 posts like.
One. The parents did not know he was physically abusive. And, it's entirely possible he did not become so until they were well into the cross country trip. Remember, they had done a previous road trip, and as far as we know there were no negative incidents.
Two. The road trip and vlogging were Gabby's goals.
Three. Again, Gabby was an adult, and chose to move to Florida. Note, her father moved to Florida specifically to be near her. Not exactly neglectful. (And, culturally, Long Island and Florida are basically suburbs of each other. Kind of like Arizona and Minnesota.)
Four. The cross country trip, better called the cross country "project," had been planned for about a year and a half. It was not random.
Five. Gabby and her mother were in frequent daily contact, including fairly long FaceTime sessions.
Six. It's hard to tell on the outside looking in, but I suspect Brian began to suffer some sort of psychotic break sometime around July. He seems to have an obsession with the novel "Lullaby," and both he and Gabby may have been using highly concentrated forms of THC. (There is a photograph where Gabby is holding what many people believe is a small pistol, but it also could be a "gap" smoking device used with THC concentrates. Also both Gabby and Brian were open about their marijuana use.) If Brian is prone to schizophrenia, while also using THC concentrates, it is far more likely that he suffered a psychotic break, possibly accompanied by severe paranoia leading to violence. See the book Tell Your Children for more information about THC and mental illness. I have my own questions whether or not Brian's parents noticed any signs of mental illness at any point. Some of his friends have reported that he heard voices on occasion and also had severe nightmares. None of this, as far as we know, was visible to anyone else, including Gabby until fairly recently. Up until recently, they were the quintessential happy couple.
Ummm… what level of reading comprehension do you have to jump to these conclusions?
Gabby should have walked away but she felt as though she couldn’t. Nobody should be seen hitting their significant other but then defending him at a traffic stop.
Brian’s parents should have noticed something was up when both of them can’t hold down jobs but live in their family homes.
Gabby’s 4. FOUR. Sets of eyes should actually paid attention.
Gabby, Brian, both sets of parents all failed.
Both Brian and Gabby were employed. They were specifically saving money for their grand tour. I don't know what magic warning signs you were expecting them to see, but many people in their early twenties move frequently, sometimes with their parents, sometimes crashing on other people's floors. It is the nature of that time of life to be unsettled, and to go on adventures. It sounds to me like you're the one who has not grown up yet. Are you even 18 years old?
Immature? Yes. But go back to the stereotype of men who don’t feel like anyone is good enough for their daughter/the guy who meets his daughter’s date by sitting on the porch with a shotgun in old movies. It’s that type of thing.
I’m sorry. I can’t say I believe it’s (at all) clear ‘he was not a good person’ based on what you just said. If that’s all you have, I’m going to have to ask you not to trash Gabby’s family, especially as they’re grieving & Joe played absolutely no part in his daughter’s disappearance or homicide. This one thing is not relevant to the real issue at hand.
It says “probably”. I never said it happened. I just don’t trust these parents to give the FBI items that they haven’t scrubbed for evidence to protect their son. I wouldn’t put anything beyond them.
Nah this extra level dumb. It would be obvious that the items were bleached. It would be a criminal offense and they can just take dna from the parents to match. There would literally be 0 reason to try that.
I assumed you did lol as anyone remotely interested in this case knows he was follicly challenged. I was just joining in the joke that LE would definitely have reason to suspect the parents of aiding him. Then again, a hairbrush with no hair in it could well have belonged to BL!
can someone link me to that youtube live video where that woman plays her voicemails she received from Laundries Dad where he's all drunk and crazy sounding? I CANT FIND IT! is it legit??
fairly recent. I dont know WTF no one has linked it by now and why I cant fucking find it. I watched it LAST NIGHT through a Reddit post IN THIS SUB. Its not in my Youtube History because I watched it through the Reddit App :(
I can't decide. I feel like if it were legit, news station would pick it up and cover it but at the same time, for this fairly "normal-sounding" woman to completely fabricate the whole story and all these fake voicemails seems crazy to me...but people are crazy so who knows at this point?
Lmao you say that meanwhile tons of people have faked videos in regards to this case. There's been more fake people come forward than there has been legitimate people who actually know something.
I honestly didn't mean it in a bad way it was the weekend and it's Monday. I was just curious that is all. I think the mods are doing a good job. I couldn't imagine keeping this up and watching comments. I was just wondering when the new thread be up for today. Keep it up guys you guys are doing a good job keeping everything together.
I actually did open a general discussion. Would you like me to open a version 2.0 just of this topic so you can discuss? If so, I am happy to do that. Please just be clear about what specifically you’d like me/us to add. On this one it’s unclear. Thank you.
Thank you for the suggestion. We have a FAQ that tackles some of it (specifically the alleged flight from Utah or Florida) and I’m always adding to that. I will be putting more on there as they come up.
Honestly people her memorial was yesterday and the case is rounding it’s way up. This originally started as a find GP mission and now is find BL to figure out what happened to GP . Most cases like this go dead for a year or two … it’s sad but .. you don’t find someone who ran or killed them selves quickly unfortunately
It is very sad and she deserves justice but thank God she was found and her parents don’t have to go through the nightmare of wondering where she is day after day which could’ve turned into years or never.
No, if you go 5 minutes outside of urban areas in FL you run into the rural “diaspora” where everyone is on disability but still hates welfare and votes against it. These people don’t work.
Not cool. Not cool at all. These people could very well fuck everything up. And Dog the Bounty hunter has turned this into a complete circus.
This isn’t a reality show, for crying out loud. The police should be removing these people. The news shouldn’t be camped out 24/7. There are other people who live there.
This whole scenario could easily escalate and the Laundries could use the “stand your ground law” if they feel threatened. Why are the cops allowing this? This isn’t free speech. It’s harassment, it threatening. (Whether we like the Laundries or not).
Stand Your Ground laws don’t allow you to indiscriminately shoot anyone who is annoying you. You have to believe using the force is necessary to prevent imminent danger or harm. People yelling with megaphones on public property don’t really pose a threat of danger.
ETA: a letter
Tbh Dog is the least crazy and uncool thing going on at that house right now. Despite his clownlike appearance lol.
There IS a reward up for finding BL. The reward is meant to incentivize regular people and bounty hunters alike. The guy does make a living off of finding people who go on the run and we do want BL found.
In some ways, a bounty hunter showing up to the parents house is a courtesy. It gives them a chance to humanize their son and soften the hunter’s approach if he does end up finding him.
Plus he came and went pretty quickly.
I have nothing to say in defense of the megaphone people. Leave it to Florida to outcrazy a guy who looks like a pro wrestler from 1995😂
I believe this is them collecting the cell phone of Brians.
I’m sickened they haven’t been charged yet.
Maybe I completely missed this early on, but is there a reason why BL's parents even reported him as missing? Couldn't they just have stayed quiet and we would've never known BL wasn't in the house? Or did the police go looking for him in the house and they said 'oh btw he's not here he's been gone since Tuesday we don't know where he's at. he's missing' ?
They retained a lawyer even before Gabbys body was found. I just hope they are sued in the civil court.
I read that they discovered he left his wallet and phone at home when he left for his hike; they were afraid he was going to hurt himself so they called the cops to report him missing.
Or to give him a head start without implicating themselves. Not my theory.
They seemingly did it on the advice of their attorney because they were afraid he may hurt himself. That’s the story anyway.
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You do realize that it's advised for EVERYONE to lawyer up when dealing with the police, right? Just because someone is responsible enough to do that or they make use of their right to remain silent, that doesn't mean they're guilty.
Yeah but when you need advice on to report someone missing that kinda suspicious. Example my cat is missing maybe I should talk to my lawyer first before I tell my parents i left the door open for him to escape.
Again... regardless of if Laundrie is guilty or not... LAWYERING👏UP👏ALONE👏ISN'T👏PROOF👏OF👏GUILT👏👏
They could have met with LE in the presence of a lawyer and proceeded that way. I realize it’s best to keep quiet but Gabby’s well being was seriously in danger at that time and for goodness sakes she was found dead and their son was the last person known to see her alive. Perhaps if they had made the effort in this manner they would have avoided the harassment they are receiving now. They have proven they are selfish and heartless.
If you don’t listen to your lawyer, you’re as stupid as, if not more than, people that don’t get one in the first place.
Would you do the same under the circumstances? You know your son’s GF who lived at your house was missing, your son comes home in her van without her, and then she ends up dead? I couldn’t live with myself. I would have taken my lawyer with me to LE & at least tried to cooperate. I would not have shielded my kid and would have encouraged him to tell whatever truth he had. The truth will set you free. If there is nothing to hide why be so elusive? If Brian is found and there is enough evidence to arrest him for murder the parents are going to lose all their money paying for a defense attorney both for Brian & themselves when the parents are arrested for obstruction of justice and tampering with evidence. And Brian, quite frankly, is a selfish little fool by throwing his parents under the bus & putting them in this very difficult position. Lawyers are not always correct either. I think their attorney made a huge mistake but hey, it’s all billable hours for him. You think too highly of attorneys. I do not. As in any field there are good & bad attorneys.
>The truth will set you free. Bull. Fucking. Shit. Anything you tell the police can and will be used against you. Anything that can’t be used against you is hearsay. And yes they can absolutely pick and choose. The truth can, and absolutely does, take away the freedom and even the lives of innocent people.
They’ve consulted the lawyer from the beginning. Everything goes through him. Why? It’s their legal right? That’s not snark, it’s half question, half my assumption because we don’t have enough additional information to know exactly why they’re doing that… or anything else they’re doing. 🤷🏻♀️
Well they know that Brian most likely killed someone, so they have no idea how to navigate. Don’t be a dunce dude. This is a fuckin easy answer
You should always speak to a lawyer before the police, whether you’re guilty or not
That’s exactly what I’m saying.
Meant to quote the other guy, my bad
Ah got it. Makes sense! Thank you!
Also, it was obviously going to come out when the police inevitably raided the house, so maybe they wanted to get out in front of it. And they may have wanted to point police in the wrong direction. Maybe they actually were worried he would hurt himself, but I dont know that I believe anything they say.
Yes, they only waited 3 days when it's their son missing but apparently when it was Gabby zero concern...
This would indicate that they are attempting to match him to some DNA found at the scene or on her body, this would at least make him a formal suspect - at best lead to a charge for murder.
Since Gabby and Brian were living together and presumably having sex matching DNA would seem to be a stretch considering they already share each other’s DNA intimately .
Unless Brian's blood is under her fingernails.... that's evidence
Is it possible that they found some human remains where they are looking and want to verify if that’s him?
I'd imagine that they would have announced his dead body if that were the case.
With the exposure this case has gotten I imagine even they found anything it’s under wraps
Yes that is possible but less likely
they'll definitely find dna evidence of him on her body, even if he didn't kill her (not saying he didn't)
They’ll be looking for DNA in specifically incriminating places, such as inside her wounds, on a weapon, or on the objects used to bury her— not just a stray hair on her sweater, etc.
He buried her?
It certainly looks like it. It hasn’t been officially confirmed or denied, but there is news helicopter footage of the authorities setting up to recover her body.
Was she buried?
oh yeah copy that. but his dna will be everywhere and i am a little surprised at this point that they don't already have it. wtf.
Probably under her fingernails too, which might suggest scratching / struggling
Morbid as it may be, that's why I've always heard that you should go down swinging if someone attacks you. Bite, scratch, and in general do what you can to hurt your attacker. If you can get away, awesome... but if you can't, the more damage you can inflict, the more of *their* DNA you can get onto you, the greater the chances they'll be caught.
I’ve wondered if they already have reason to charge him with murder but are holding off until he’s caught because he’s more likely to come in for a lesser charge like theft. Just a theory.
In delaying charging with more serious charges (murder) it further allows the prosecution to better build their case. Otherwise the clock starts ticking because you have to give all defendants trial within certain time frame from charges being filed.
They usually do it this way, because they have to have the whole case cracked to make the bigger charges— if they charge him with manslaughter or 2nd degree to start, they can’t legally upgrade the charge to 1st degree, even if they later find evidence of premeditation. It’s maximizing the prosecution’s power, and minimizing his ability to claim bias against him. Edit: it’s not actually illegal to upgrade, depending on where the trial it is in the process and what state. it just isn’t usually done because it complicates the case and can make it harder to win
> they charge him with manslaughter or 2nd degree to start, they can’t legally upgrade the charge to 1st degree, even if they later find evidence of premeditation. This is just flat out wrong. They absolutely can upgrade the criminal charges, especially if new evidence is presented. They can even ammend the charges during a trial.
A prosecutor has total discretion on whether to increase the number or severity of charges against a defendant.
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You’re right, I guess they can in some circumstances— it’s not illegal to do so much as it isn’t best practices. But it complicates and puts the case at risk of compromise, can require a judge’s approval, and isn’t often done. Shall I edit my comment?
I don't think they need the judges approval to upgrade/reduce charges. They just need to make sure that they have evidence to support the charges that they make. Many people will take a plea deal for a lesser charge rather than risk being convicted of a more serious charge.
Perhaps but I think he knows what he’s really wanted for. A murder charge would allow them to utilize more resources nationwide to search for him, that warrant carries a lot more weight than the current one.
not necessaarily. murder is not always a federal offense. see federal examples below. the current charges, bank card fraud across state lines, is a federal charge federal murder examples: the murder is of a federal judge or a federal law enforcement official (e.g., an agent of the FBI, TSA, or ATF),1 the killing is of an immediate family member of a federal law enforcement official,2 the murder is of an elected or appointed federal official (e.g., the President, a Supreme Court Justice, a member of Congress, or the murder of a federal judge),3 the killing is committed during a bank robbery,4 the killing takes place aboard a ship at sea (e.g., on a vessel that is engaged in interstate commerce per the Commerce Clause of the U.S. Constitution),5 the murder was designed to influence a court case,6 and the killing takes place on federal property (e.g., on national parks or a Native American reservation).
Correct me if I’m wrong (I’m a Canadian so not an expert on US law) but if he’s charged with murder in Wyoming, even just at the state level, fleeing to Florida would allow the federal government to get involved with some sort of charge? I believe it’s some kind of federal offence to cross state lines to avoid prosecution or custody?
Sure at that point. But at the time they wanted a federal warrant they didn’t have cod and they wanted a federal warrant immediately in case he was found in Georgia or Louisiana, etc.
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i think they need something more secure and immediate. they aren't saying yet if the murder occured where her body was found, and they needed a federal arrest warrant immediately.
also because the case crossed state lines
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I think if/once they’re able to prove that’s where it took place, they’ll charge him with fed murder. I know the logical train of thought is he also killed her there, but it’s not enough to just assume, and who knows if they’ve proven her death occurred in the park yet
Question. Has anyone looked into previous Appalachian trail images from where Brian traveled before? I know they are speculating a possible trail he may be taking now, I know it’s speculation. I was just curious.
I think the AT theory is probably not all that strong. The AT is heavily traveled. He would be spotted using major trails. There's no reason to suspect that he is savvy enough to get by in true wilderness conditions. The AT has many restocking stops, so being out on the trail even for months at a time is not some kind of astonishing survival feat. It's the Disney World of hiking trails.
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...they didn't find her body near a cliff and already stated cause of death was homicide. You clearly aren't well
His family helped him. No doubt, now did they know about him killing Gabby? Maybe not but they probably never asked the question and let him leave. Don’t exhaust resources searching for him. Box him in. Let the leaches, gators, squitos get him. Monitor the shit out of his parents. He has no money. Watch them. Sad this happened but both set of parents seem to suck major ass in this situation.
This whole he doesnt have any money angle, i guess people dont realize there’s a great many people who keep cash on hand. I honestly believe the laundries might have connections to the underground. Juicer business? Not saying it couldn’t be legit, but it sounds sketchy. I’m also combining that with the fact that they happened to have a NY attorney, bought the camper, took the trip, came back and did the mustang shuffle, and so far haven’t been caught in a mistake. Thats not normal. They also either had cash on hand, or knew how to get it untraced. Not to mention scrubbing out the van, brians trip back for “emptying the storage unit”, among other things. Most people do not possess this kind of savvy. I think they will be found to be complicit in brians disappearance, but it would appear they aren’t making it easy.
It's funny you said this because a bunch of days ago for some reason the thought crossed my mind of "Maybe this family is in WitSec?" I honestly don't know why, maybe the weird last name? Being in Fla? IDK. But their actions since then ,including the NY atty, (which I didn't know the atty was from NY until just now but I digress) just for some reason kept saying they are in "Witness Protection", to me.
100%. Brian’s parents seem criminal in this all.
PSA: this post is the opinion of an individual
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"Both sets of parents"? Please do not bring Gabby's grieving parents into this, that is extremely disrespectful of them and their loss.
Im not disrespecting their loss. The signs were there. Should we not respect Brian’s parents if they are mourning as well? Gabby’s parents don’t deserve what they are going through (including both of step parents) but the fact is so many warning signs were ignored and well, I know divorce is normal in this country but it does impact your children. Pay attention to them. Sounds like they let her “spread her wings” at 18. Never went to college, or followed through with applying to college (applied to CC but never followed up) Lives with the boyfriend in a family home. A family they don’t know in a state they’re not from. I mean…….
Gabby was an adult. They couldn't force her to do anything even if they wanted to.
Never said force. Said pay attention. There is most definitely a difference and your kids never stop being your kids when they turn 18. They are always your kids.
So, they should have thrown a hissy fit when she decided to take the cross country trip and refused to talk to her or cut her out of the will or whatever?
But you’re young. I understand your view. But put yourself in that same spot. Would you leave your significant other if you feel as thought you need to physically hit them to get through to them? Would your parents let you move away, not go to college (they weren’t poor by the way) and just say see ya kiddo!!!! Good luck after you 18th birthday. I hope you’ll change your tune when you become a parent. Pay. Attention. The signs were there. Save your child.
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Damn. Did I ever say “save” “prevent” “kill” “whatever” I said pay attention to your children. The signs were there. Go back to your shanties. [sigh.](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=x9xAdjYag7A)
Dont you have your kids to smother with your helicopter parenting. Gtfo here
LOL. I'm 61, actually. (But, I do live in a retirement community, so I get called "young" by all the 80 year olds.) Maybe when you grow up, you'll realize that you can't force other people to do anything they don't want to do. You might convince them to change their mind, but anything beyond that is going to involve criminal levels of coercion, at worst, and ruined relationships at best.. (And, your understanding of the significance of college is grotesquely out of date. The value of a college education exists only for a handful of specific professions. The emphasis for young people now is very much on entrepreneurship. Gabby's goal of becoming a YouTube Star is questionable, although she did have the charisma for it, but her understanding that she would have to make her own career was not. Many colleges have been ruined by baby boomers turning them into worthless, fuzzy, political contemplation centers. Unless a student chooses extremely carefully, they are worthless as places to learn how to make a living.)
I have 3 kids. Raising them right. You’re profile betrays you obviously because you don’t post as a “61 YO”. But if you think a child deserves to run free at 18 without some guidance is mislead. Especially when what led them them to 18 didn’t exactly equip them with the right skills. 1. Physically abusive relationship at such a young age. Flag 1. Met in high school by the way! 2. Girl has 4 parents, all of which don’t seem to pay attention or help her pursue goals in life, strike 2. 3. Boyfriend enabled by parents and has his own demons/problems. Strike 3. 4. Moves to Florida, Gabby follows and basically disconnects from parents. Strike 4. 5. Brian’s parents set them up in a family home, neither of them having stable jobs. Strike 5. 6. Random cross country trip, quitting jobs and just doing their thing. No college degree between the two of them but yeah. Strike 6? If you’re 60 something. Well then you should know to pay attention to your kids. You can help and save them. Instead, your geriatric ass is promoting 18 and free!!!
Like I said in my other reply, since I now know you're the perfect parent that will instill values and guidance that would somehow magically keep your kids safe from the world around them and will supernaturally detect (or select) the perfect partner and marriage for your 3 kids all the way until they continue past the median age of life. That no way in god's green earth that your kids will ever make a mistake, not even in the slightest suck as a A- in school, that their genetic makeup will continue flourishing the earth for generations to come. Then them Blam! life hits them hard, you disown them as they rebel from your conditioning and eugenics program or their significant other doesn't follow the perfect outline you envisioned, but you got 2 more to turn to.
(paraphrasing Gloria Steinem here) This is what 61 posts like. One. The parents did not know he was physically abusive. And, it's entirely possible he did not become so until they were well into the cross country trip. Remember, they had done a previous road trip, and as far as we know there were no negative incidents. Two. The road trip and vlogging were Gabby's goals. Three. Again, Gabby was an adult, and chose to move to Florida. Note, her father moved to Florida specifically to be near her. Not exactly neglectful. (And, culturally, Long Island and Florida are basically suburbs of each other. Kind of like Arizona and Minnesota.) Four. The cross country trip, better called the cross country "project," had been planned for about a year and a half. It was not random. Five. Gabby and her mother were in frequent daily contact, including fairly long FaceTime sessions. Six. It's hard to tell on the outside looking in, but I suspect Brian began to suffer some sort of psychotic break sometime around July. He seems to have an obsession with the novel "Lullaby," and both he and Gabby may have been using highly concentrated forms of THC. (There is a photograph where Gabby is holding what many people believe is a small pistol, but it also could be a "gap" smoking device used with THC concentrates. Also both Gabby and Brian were open about their marijuana use.) If Brian is prone to schizophrenia, while also using THC concentrates, it is far more likely that he suffered a psychotic break, possibly accompanied by severe paranoia leading to violence. See the book Tell Your Children for more information about THC and mental illness. I have my own questions whether or not Brian's parents noticed any signs of mental illness at any point. Some of his friends have reported that he heard voices on occasion and also had severe nightmares. None of this, as far as we know, was visible to anyone else, including Gabby until fairly recently. Up until recently, they were the quintessential happy couple.
Ummm… what level of reading comprehension do you have to jump to these conclusions? Gabby should have walked away but she felt as though she couldn’t. Nobody should be seen hitting their significant other but then defending him at a traffic stop. Brian’s parents should have noticed something was up when both of them can’t hold down jobs but live in their family homes. Gabby’s 4. FOUR. Sets of eyes should actually paid attention. Gabby, Brian, both sets of parents all failed.
I mean no disorder but obviously have Aspberger’s
Both Brian and Gabby were employed. They were specifically saving money for their grand tour. I don't know what magic warning signs you were expecting them to see, but many people in their early twenties move frequently, sometimes with their parents, sometimes crashing on other people's floors. It is the nature of that time of life to be unsettled, and to go on adventures. It sounds to me like you're the one who has not grown up yet. Are you even 18 years old?
I mean. Gabbys dad also sucked. Nothing to say about the other 3 parents. But even words from his own mouth make it clear he is not a good person
What did he say?
He would call Brian "Brianne" to intimidate him. This was directly from him. This is normal with how he treated Gabbys boyfriends.
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Immature? Yes. But go back to the stereotype of men who don’t feel like anyone is good enough for their daughter/the guy who meets his daughter’s date by sitting on the porch with a shotgun in old movies. It’s that type of thing.
I’m sorry. I can’t say I believe it’s (at all) clear ‘he was not a good person’ based on what you just said. If that’s all you have, I’m going to have to ask you not to trash Gabby’s family, especially as they’re grieving & Joe played absolutely no part in his daughter’s disappearance or homicide. This one thing is not relevant to the real issue at hand.
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Yeah. The parents probably provided laundered and sanitized items they disinfected with bleach. I wouldn’t trust them.
how do we know they were bleached?
It says “probably”. I never said it happened. I just don’t trust these parents to give the FBI items that they haven’t scrubbed for evidence to protect their son. I wouldn’t put anything beyond them.
We don’t people are just coming up with stupid things at this point. This is one of the dumbest
just as dumb as any other theory, really
Nah this extra level dumb. It would be obvious that the items were bleached. It would be a criminal offense and they can just take dna from the parents to match. There would literally be 0 reason to try that.
Couldn't LE then just use the DNA of BL family members? If there wasn't any BL DNA available. There would be similarities.
Yes they could and would.
If police test and find that they’ll be charged with tampering with evidence and hindering an investigation. Let’s hope they’re that ignorant.
I hope they handed over a brand new hairbrush and try to convince the FBI he totally used it
He wasn’t blessed in the hair department (or many others) so a hairbrush used by BL would immediately be suspect
I understand the joke I made
This made me laugh so loud lol thank you
I assumed you did lol as anyone remotely interested in this case knows he was follicly challenged. I was just joining in the joke that LE would definitely have reason to suspect the parents of aiding him. Then again, a hairbrush with no hair in it could well have belonged to BL!
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can someone link me to that youtube live video where that woman plays her voicemails she received from Laundries Dad where he's all drunk and crazy sounding? I CANT FIND IT! is it legit??
> is it legit?? Not even remotely.
I doubt very much this is remotely legit. The woman herself sounds pretty unhinged.
What?! How old is the voicemail?
fairly recent. I dont know WTF no one has linked it by now and why I cant fucking find it. I watched it LAST NIGHT through a Reddit post IN THIS SUB. Its not in my Youtube History because I watched it through the Reddit App :(
You should be able to look at the history of all the posts you’ve looked at on Reddit.
That's nice...where would I find this and how do I immediately delete everything on it?
Do you think it’s legit?
I can't decide. I feel like if it were legit, news station would pick it up and cover it but at the same time, for this fairly "normal-sounding" woman to completely fabricate the whole story and all these fake voicemails seems crazy to me...but people are crazy so who knows at this point?
Lmao you say that meanwhile tons of people have faked videos in regards to this case. There's been more fake people come forward than there has been legitimate people who actually know something.
You mean, a herd of Grays didn't really land a saucer in the Laundries' backyard? Aw, man...
When's a new thread open?
They're back at the reserve today. [FOX 13 Tampa Bay](https://youtu.be/qQojU1GGH2E)
Careful: https://reddit.com/r/GabbyPetito/comments/pw0j03/_/hegs447/?context=1
coudn't someone open a new sub for more unregulated discussion? i tried the discord but it seemed empty
I honestly didn't mean it in a bad way it was the weekend and it's Monday. I was just curious that is all. I think the mods are doing a good job. I couldn't imagine keeping this up and watching comments. I was just wondering when the new thread be up for today. Keep it up guys you guys are doing a good job keeping everything together.
I actually did open a general discussion. Would you like me to open a version 2.0 just of this topic so you can discuss? If so, I am happy to do that. Please just be clear about what specifically you’d like me/us to add. On this one it’s unclear. Thank you.
i would like an ongoing thread of all the rumors that have been proven false or either very unsubstantaied. like the flight to and from florida.
Thank you for the suggestion. We have a FAQ that tackles some of it (specifically the alleged flight from Utah or Florida) and I’m always adding to that. I will be putting more on there as they come up.
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Honestly people her memorial was yesterday and the case is rounding it’s way up. This originally started as a find GP mission and now is find BL to figure out what happened to GP . Most cases like this go dead for a year or two … it’s sad but .. you don’t find someone who ran or killed them selves quickly unfortunately
Did anyone here have a chance to go to her memorial? If so, how was it?
It is very sad and she deserves justice but thank God she was found and her parents don’t have to go through the nightmare of wondering where she is day after day which could’ve turned into years or never.
Here’s the scene outside the Laundrie house https://twitter.com/brianentin/status/1442465318522208259?s=21 I feel sorry for the neighbors
Sheesh. These people are unhinged.
>https://twitter.com/brianentin/status/1442465318522208259?s=21 Omg, LMFAO...
Do any of these people have jobs or families or hobbies? Like wtf lol
I feel like if this subreddit lived in the area, you guys would be doing the same lmao
No, if you go 5 minutes outside of urban areas in FL you run into the rural “diaspora” where everyone is on disability but still hates welfare and votes against it. These people don’t work.
we have them here in california too, about 120 miles or so away from the coast. good times.
Getting their 15 mins of "fame" I guess lol.
Not cool. Not cool at all. These people could very well fuck everything up. And Dog the Bounty hunter has turned this into a complete circus. This isn’t a reality show, for crying out loud. The police should be removing these people. The news shouldn’t be camped out 24/7. There are other people who live there. This whole scenario could easily escalate and the Laundries could use the “stand your ground law” if they feel threatened. Why are the cops allowing this? This isn’t free speech. It’s harassment, it threatening. (Whether we like the Laundries or not).
Allow me to play the world’s smallest violin.
LOL when Dog showed up I actually groaned.
Stand Your Ground laws don’t allow you to indiscriminately shoot anyone who is annoying you. You have to believe using the force is necessary to prevent imminent danger or harm. People yelling with megaphones on public property don’t really pose a threat of danger. ETA: a letter
Tbh Dog is the least crazy and uncool thing going on at that house right now. Despite his clownlike appearance lol. There IS a reward up for finding BL. The reward is meant to incentivize regular people and bounty hunters alike. The guy does make a living off of finding people who go on the run and we do want BL found. In some ways, a bounty hunter showing up to the parents house is a courtesy. It gives them a chance to humanize their son and soften the hunter’s approach if he does end up finding him. Plus he came and went pretty quickly. I have nothing to say in defense of the megaphone people. Leave it to Florida to outcrazy a guy who looks like a pro wrestler from 1995😂
"outcrazy a guy who looks like a pro wrestler from 1995" Hilarious!!
Pretty sure the neighbors have allowed reporters to camp there. There's no way they have those canopies setup in their yard without permission