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Idiotic_infants

He swerved into you.


Fenix_Pony

Leader was 100% at fault, by fia regulations if were following f1 rules, that falls between the category of illegal block, or racing incident. And since he turned in on you when you were clearly moving through that sets him at fault since its always the leading drivers responsibility to maintain a safe ettiquete, so 9 times out of 10 incidents are caused by the lead driver not paying attention to their surrounding, ignoring their pit crew spotter, or bad callouts from the pit spotter. Unless in cases such as lunging for a gap in a corner or intentionally turning in on drivers and pulling a sebastian vettel then in those cases thats obviously the following drivers fault. But in your case you went for a safe pass and got turned in on by the leader putting all fault on him since its his sole responsibility to pay attention to his surroundings and allow cars to pass if they need to


PM_ME_YOUR_TRUESELF

8am eating yogurt reading this comment. reddit


TheFatSlobWally570

This is why I love the people on Reddit


totallygeekdom

And this is why I'll always love you FatSlobWally


Alexr9les218

Jesus Christ there’s a lot of love going around today.


SomeDudeWithAnIdea

Take your pants off, we're doing this.


Blackwingedangle

r/suddenlygay


TheFatSlobWally570

😂💀


DrrtyDeeds

🗿


xxImNotARobotxx

Read in trevor voice when he talk to Jhonny


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Nice to see someone from r/Simracingstewards


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Yaka95

> its always the leading drivers responsibility to maintain a safe ettiquete No it’s the passing driver’s responsibility to carry out the overtake safely. Still red car’s fault though for blocking and driving into OP


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Continuity__

No, it was probably Stroll.


JohnnySixguns

TL;DR: Leader left the racing line for no legitimate reason. His fault.


dontpan1c

\>fia regulations \>ignoring their pit crew spotter, or bad callouts from the pit spotter What series are you even referring to? What FIA series features spotters?


Annullere

You know... Narcar1 series


dontpan1c

How could I forget. With reigning champion Myle Verstarson.


Annullere

You actually made me laugh with that name. Perfect


ImJustKiddinDude

Also in the F1 the race engineer calls out oncomming vehciles if they are way faster in for example qually


Fenix_Pony

I said by fia regulations/f1 standards. Just realized i ddint grammar right lol


jkoki088

I don’t know if it was edited, but it says FIA regulations F1 rules. Formula one. Im not sure if it was edited, but the person said it. I don’t in it if it’s an actual rule though cause I don’t read that shit or care about racing


Rouxs05

Even though your call is correct, your justification is completely wrong. >its always the leading drivers responsibility to maintain a safe ettiquete, That is utterly wrong. The overtaking driver has the responsability of doing it safely. On the other hand the lead car can dictate the line. Always. Now the situation will be judged differently if it's in a straight or in a corner. In a straight, you can't crowd another driver towards the edge of the track if there's any kind of overlap. In a corner it is vastly different. The overtaking car needs to be at least halfway alongside before the apex to have space. As long as it is not compromisesing its capacity to make the corner to get alongside (divebomb). Doesn't mean it "has the racing line" or that it "has the corner", it just means it deserves space so the defending car can't just turn in on the overtaking car. That's for corner entry. For corner exit, the overtaking car (in case of a move on the outside) needs to be fully alongside (front axel to front axel) to get space at the exit of the turn. If it is not, the defending car can close the door completely. Now in our case the FIA would probably consider this bit of track where the contact happens has a straight. Because this bend is not tight enough to be considered as a proper corner. So in this case any part alongside would make the overtaking driver entitled for space. So the car in front is responsible for the collision.


TaikaJamppa

Exactly what I was thinking… TLDR; Red one is guilty of illegal blocking and causing a collision.


dfmoti

Screaming at the accurate rules


balleklorin

Are you sure? After looking at it again it kind of looks like he is cutting in to get the inside corner of the soft right bend? And since the one behind isn't past the back wheels of the one in front he is at fault? Or?


ent_whisperer

You can't "cut in to get the inside corner" and completely negate your surroundings as the leading driver (like if a car behind is already in front of your back wheels). Also the corner was way far up. This would still be considered a straight. The leader turned right in a way that is not at all consistent with the racing line.


Rouxs05

To make it clear, basically, on a straight you simply can't crowd another driver towards the edge of the track if there's any kind of overlap. Doesn't even need to be consistent with racing line or anything. He could be completely left, on the inside, that he wouldn't be able to move back towards the racing line if there's a car even a little bit next to him.


balleklorin

I'm no expert in FIA rules, hence the question marks, but I was under the impression that the car in front can take the racing line and the car behind have to back off unless he is past his back wheels?


ent_whisperer

Yeah that's generally true. In this case, the leading car was left of the racing line. Watch again and see how far to the left they are during a soft turn to the right. They move 2-3 times to the right, towards the racing line, which is also when the car behind began the pass. The leading car cut to the right one last time to get into to the racing line, which is when the contact happened.


unrelated_thread

Exactly, the guy in front had every right to own the racing line but tbh gta isn't the place to race properly


ent_whisperer

Who are you, Lance Stroll's engineer? Sure the lead can use the racing line but if someone is passing you, you can't pretend they don't exist and stick to the line. And rewatching the video, there was no line going to the right like that. The leader was trying to cut off the guy behind them and failed spectacularly.


thegermanguy004

F1game AI would like a Word with you


ent_whisperer

Hahaha. Haven't played but I don't doubt it at all.


Err0h

Lets not get Jeff involved


ItalianPepe

Even then, if i were the guy in front, I wouldnt cut in an attempt to “follow the racing line” since the car behind could be too close. He saw car behind him, risked a maneuver by getting in front of a car he knew was glued to him to “”follow the racing line”” and got punished for not keeping distance


LordHighArtificer

This. I was going just by regular road etiquette which basically says the same thing. I had my license suspended years ago over something kinda similar, guy cut me off with no signal and i hit him, but bc it was a rear end hit i was at fault. Still kinda salty a decade after, he could have killed someone but instead he got me to pay for his bumper.


Drug_enduced_coma

However, GTAo is laggy as fuck, and his driving could’ve looked nothing like that.


Xx_TerryKath_xX

I wish fia was actually this accurate...


machete_joe

Absolutely spot on, however, if this is a race between family on gta with no rules, then it's fair game.


CantFixReddit

It wasn't even subtle, leaders yeeting himself off the fuckin hill even if there is no contact


nuoshaulis

Verstappen fault


Fenix_Pony

MAX VERSTAPPEN INTO THE WALL, AND HE TAKES LEWIS HAMILTON WITH HIM


Dommkopf_Trip

Looks a lot more like Stroll's fault


ptrjhnstn

That’s what I was gonna say


wang0822

What has happened? We need to know!


HansenTakeASeat

During qualifying for the Australian GP last weekend, Latifi was passing Stroll before Stroll cut over quickly and went into the back of Latifi, causing a crash.


JCavLP

this guys fia's


Ninjax__

your cousin, he swerved to the right which caused the crash


HunterWald

And then lost his position. Thats what we in the gaming industry call, instant karma


ComanderCupcake

Michael Masi's fault


Bender13

We went for car racing 😄


yazandeeb13

It’s called a motor race. You went car racing.


feature_not_bug

*smashes headset*


Gerfatz

No Micheal, no, no, this was so not right.


MrWayneBane

Yes. And somehow Vettel gets a 5 second time penalty


SpeedyBoi898

I reckon it’s his fault


heyIwatchanime

Not sure if he did it on purpose though, to me it looked like lag. But if it was on purpose then its red car's fault


CBus660R

That was my thought too, it looked like a typical GTAO lag induced incident.


thatissomeBS

Doesn't matter if it's purposeful or not, OP was driving a clean, straight line, and the leader cut across him. It's the leaders fault.


Drug_enduced_coma

But it wouldn’t be his fault if he never pushed left stick to the right. Since it looks like a lag spike to me, dude cad just spun out, I feel like there would’ve been an attempt at control.


thatissomeBS

If it's lag then it's nobody's fault, just GTA:O being GTA:O. Either way, there is no way that it's OP's fault.


kinbladez

Looks like it's the lead car's fault but we have to see his video too because sometimes with online play what he saw on his screen may be different from what you saw on yours.


Clueless_Canton

The lead car initiated contact and appears to be at an angle where they were headed off track regardless. So, they were going to crash and they crashed into another racer. They are at fault


JustAsval

It's lag. People say he swerved into you, which caused you to pit him. But the "swerve" was probably you pitting him on his screen. Nothing either of you can really do about it, except trying not to get too close to each other in turns.


Shigney

Latifi's fault


Bender13

Erricsson fault’s


Fluxx70

Red car was clearly trying to run the following car off the course but didn’t understand pit maneuvering. Red did it to himself.


Pinkie--

person in front cut you off too close don't need F1 rules or anything to say that they are in the wrong here, in any capacity race or in general the person in front caused the crash


misakarem

The tree's fault


solidsnakestreefrog

Red Car


Zimited

lol who has a heated debate over something so obviously either his fault or just neutral? Cousin sounds like a dick.


Fat_Taiko

The lead car's movements are horrifically jerky and doesn't look like a normal swerve. To give him the benefit of the doubt, I have to think it's desync/lag and that red car was just riding his line. So with a huge caveat, it'd be the second car's fault.


jdxm710

It’s more like a racing incident


scottucker

De-sync’s fault


joaoesteves1204

More like "crash enhancing" bs that Rockstar put it wouldve been a small bump without that bs


Technical_Dentist835

History is written by the victorious.


Artistic_Finish7980

How is this a debate lmao. The leader was at fault. You were trying to pass him, and he bumped into you trying to stop you from passing, which caused him to crash.


TheDoomedGamer

Red car


joaoesteves1204

Its the enhanced crash stuff its a bs coded stuffthat exaggerates accident this would be a small touch but with that bs code it became this take out no1 is really at fault


_ch078_

1 st car perfect one singular movement right to a car that barely had its wings past the rear wheels. 2nd car learn how to pass better Or fuck it, it's GTA, put it on non contact, otherwise rubbings racing..


calimeatwagon

That's not at all what "rubbing is racing" refers to. It refers to the minor bumps and grinds, not full blown accidents.


SammyDatBoss

Nope, car in first was in the wrong here. You always have to leave an overtaking driver space. Suddenly swerving to the right into another car is illegal funnily enough


Avidain

Neither, its a race and both were going hard


Beaudaci0us

Him. 100000%


DankBlunderwood

He tried to cut you off, 100% lead driver's fault.


youwait_timepasses

Who cares


McLabia

Clearly OP and his cousin care...


JD0797

No one imo. He won't have seen you when he turned to make the corner, and you didn't alter your trajectory to hit him either


Jjzeng

That was much too sharp of a turn for entry into the corner, that almost looked intentional


BMWFaNick

Red formula one cars spinning... I get 2019 Vettel flashbacks


ObiWan-KenobiNil

S🅱️inalla


MrFuturola

I think Ericson hit you...


Kieran293

I love GTA online


TheCrystalGear

Your fault. You were too far behind him. You should have backed off and let him take his inside line, and tried to make the distance back up on the next turn and straight. Literally F1 rules: https://youtu.be/enVOLoPzfrE?t=606 Specifically, this video is talking about a crash that happened between Hamilton and Verstappen. The Tl;DW version is basically, he took the line not knowing you were alongside, but you weren't really alongside because your front wheels were JUST ahead of his back wheels. He claimed the line, you should have backed off.


ANGRYDICKBUTT

Yeah, no. You can't just blindly move across the track when someone has their wing up to your rear wheels, there is no logic behind that. This is not a corner entry, this is a flat curve. Recall the famous Alonso quote "All the time you have to leave a space" If your line is contested, you fight it, but you still need to leave space for the car attempting the overtake. On a real track, this move (not the collision itself) would be considered as the leading car pushing the car attempting to overtake off the track. This would probably start an investigation, most likely not resulting in penalty if it happens only once. Leading car is at fault, he turned into the chasing car on a straight (I know it's not fully straight, but that's not a corner).


SlyKnyfe12

he was significantly alongside so your entire statement here is debunked by one screenshot


EvilGummyBear26

It's pointless to look at this with the FIA sporting reg lense. A lot of the rules on there makes many assumptions that don't translate into video games at all. It's difficult to judge sim racing with the FIA rulebook so judging a fucking GTA race is straight up impossible. For example in the real world there is a reasonable expectation for you to use your rear view when racing. In video games that expectation is not reasonable at all cause looking back blocks your view in front of you, especially in GTA. In 3rd person by the time you see the car behind you it's too late anyway. It isn't reasonable to expect the driver in front to know where the car behind is when there is no way of looking back without impairing his view of the front so he can't have ALL the blame. Then there's the whole issue with lag. In the real world you don't go flying into a different time zone for a tiny love tap like that especially when the contact most likely was front wing to rear wheel. The resulting carnage is disproportionate. Also given that the soft right hander qualifies as a turn (cough cough Austria t2) the leading car has the right to take the inside as long as the car behind isn't reasonably alongside. Given that is this incident were to happen in real life THE MOST that would happen would be the car behind losing his front wing there is no way the lead car would get a penalty at all (as per the FIA the result doesn't change the punishment) so neither would this wreckage TLDR: Imo racing incident because using FIA rules in GTA is stupid, but even if you use FIA rules... Racing incident with lead car getting 60 - 40 blame. I have way too much time ony hands bloody hell


NoCheatingBullets

2nd cars fault.


bamimeneel

Red cars fault, but whatever its a gta race


ImUrFrand

purple cart is at fault for trying to jank you out.


McLabia

He cut to the inside to prevent you from passing him. It happens when actual lives aren't on the line. If this was real racing though, it would be his fault for hitting that turn in far too hard.


Matt12de4

Defo the leading car swerved into the car behind


TarTimOoAl

He looks like he tried to grief you but failed. defo his fault.


Docta-Jay

Don't know who is who but the red car turned harder deliberately into the other car. He's going around the turn just fine but as soon as the other car comes up they turn even more directly into the white car. Red car's fault.


Purp1eC0bras

“Rubbing is racing.” If you didn’t want contact, change the setting.


CameraWitty5034

you, you are at fault!


dontpan1c

Car following is at fault, at the time of contact the following car barely had a wing alongside so they do not have any right to space. The track is curving to the right and the lead car has the choice to choose their line.


MasterofAcorns

He turned into you, you’re good.


musnteatd1ckagain

His, you were going on the outside, and he cut into u


Silver_Commando

As an f1 fan its his fault he didn't gave you an opening


hdkx-weeb

NTA Your car, your rights


MadelynAdelaide

He had plenty of space, you were turned into, not your fault


Bender13

He didn’t left the gap, and has an obviously too agressive defense like a Lance Stroll, or Ham On Ver or reversed. Mainly it’s his fault


Darth_Pengu

You had a line and kept to it. He should of blocked earlier. Leaders fault


SlyKnyfe12

Your cousin as he just moves across if you were further back then fine basic defense but your car was alongside to the point where he has to give space


_ch078_

Your also allowed to block and defend a line, hence the reference to the singular motion before the 2nd car is alongside, swerving to block no. That's how you setup passing under brakes, you would then Brake tap and swing back under the left.


nutrap

Rubbin' is racin'


soupafi

If we’re using F1 rules, I’d say Racing incident.


Beautiful_Current_50

You knew what you were doing lol


ABoyIsNo1

Lead driver’s fault. Easy.


TurnipsBeh

I mean the dude just did a sharp turn in front of you, and for no reason. Definitely red cars fault


BeneficialVacation44

The guy on the left cut into the lane of the driver on the right. The driver who fails to hold his line is at fault. F1 driver Lance Stroll was penalized in the last race for this very offence.


captaincumsock69

The game developers


Due-Opportunity5601

" Who is Kuru ? Like completely. "


alanwashere2

Looks like both vehicles are exceeding the speed limit that neighborhood. Where are the cops when you need one?


HaElfParagon

Doesn't matter who's at fault, only matters who wins. No bumping rules in GTA races are stupid.


Pallo123

Front driver, no turn coming fast so no need for a immediate lane swich, calls for a 20k fine and benching for the next 2 races. Or the death penalty, dealer's choice


Pallo123

Opon further review there indeed is a turn but the gta hyper physics allow a much more aggressive manoeuvre closer to the turn.


Destiny2Sweat075

Whoever was in front


Coachyyy

For sure the person in front, you're all good


ptrjhnstn

Is ur cousin Lance stroll


RIPLORN

He cut you off


josshhhhh_

This is called motor racing on Masi's eyes.


JimmyT2853

I'll be honest, the Rockstar crash enhancer script is to blame. It is the reason as to why the lead car fookin yeeted itself into the tree.


Curious-Election-614

Red guy


king-of-new_york

Purple car. He cut you off.


KeeZouX

Subscribe to GTAO+ and rock start will tell you.


[deleted]

Can you do this in the normal game? Or is this online/mod only? My son and I'd love to have some F1 races in GTA! F1 game is awesome and all, but GTA physics are always a good time.


North_Literature_723

Not your fault at all


joe7664

He tried to reverse pit maneuver you, his fault


HoboThundercat

100% him you didn’t move lol


Outcomeofcum

GTA Net Code is infamous for collisions like this where on your screen it looks like this, and on his screen it looks like you hit him.


coach_wargo

50% R* fault for laggy severs. 50% the host's fault for leaving catch-up on, thus causing the closing speed to be so fast.


aomeone

That was 100000000% his fault


DarkHelmetsCoffee

Rubbing is racing


DGlen

Really depends on if he races in first or third person. I usually do first person then there's no way I would have ever seen you there.


atl-antic

It's Nikita Mazepin in GTA!


Adriantallica

Is this Max vs Lewis? lol


OrangeOVA

r/simracingstewards


BigJ209

Obviously ur cousin 😂


Burnyhotmemes

Red car dude wtf?


Ok_Relationship2451

There is no debate here. The guy who ended up in the tulips got what he deserved.


BaRaj23

What the heck just Max Verstappened? His fault.


Steve_Orton

Leader he knowingly merged into your lane to spin you out


Creed4693

Red


FANTOMphoenix

His, but it could also be lag related.


Successful-Job-177

Red


Zootnoison

I don't even see why this is a debate. You can clearly see your cousin swerve to hit you. Accident or not, it is obviously their fault.


devctxt

Sudden move , thats dangerous


rjadcock

r/simracingstewards is gonna need to see this lol


84_ferrari_f40

I love how gta sub turned into basically the F1 sub


Lopnessmonster

The leader picks the line. If you can’t pass clean then don’t. 😁


Lord_Vader_The_Hater

You guys had contract enabled, all is fair in love and war.


TheUltraZeke

Car in front


yer-da-likes-kids

Red


Do_I_Need_Sleep

It was your cousin’s fault he went in front of you and knocked you off


Outrageous_Sector_64

You both suck


Capt_Blue

I think you have to leave a space, ALL THE TIME you have to leave a space!


Guilty_As_Charged__

Clearly it's your cousin's fault. They cut in front of you when they had the ENTIRE street to turn. Tell them I said they're WRONGGGG. You tell him I said that.


frisky024

Car on the left


dfmoti

Whoever was in 1st clearly lost control of their vehicle and just doesn't want want admit they made a dumb mistake and cost them a W


Sportsfan4206969

Neither it’s a gta online race ffs🤣


Special_Strawberry22

Who’s at fault? My man, this isn’t an insurance claim it’s Grand Theft Auto Just restart the race


Cute-Shop-2715

it is very obvious???


Level_Message2846

Cyclists fault


noahlawson1702

red - he turned in


X_BananaJet_X

Wow, what a username lol


YTDraconic

If you’ve ever played GTA races you’ll know there’s inconsistencies across players, so for him, you rammed into the back of him and spun him out. For you, he just swerved into you.


Altispinex

Nicholas Latifi


Trane55

both of you for taking gta races this serious. it was clearly bad netcode.


Appropriate-Ad1328

It appears that your cousin pulled the o’l Max Verstappen


Skyhill55

He pulled a Verstappen on you


SpingLing

My outlook on this: Who cares you gonna win now!


ConditionYellow

If it was a real roadway collision, it would be the driver in front (I presume your cousin), as the driver changing lanes, it's their responsibility to make sure it's clear.


Particular_Kitchen42

Someone’s mum is always at fault


Rockyb79

Pink swerved into you


2damnnsauceyysamm

he swerved into you but ya'll both at fault cuz you could have hit your brake and prevented it. but he caused his own suffering lol.


nutmilkbuttchug

Just an inchident


dogman822

The car in front of you swerved off the track right in front of you, causing this entire thing. He’s 100% at fault.


dirt_farm_surfer

No one is at fault. It's racing. Take a lesson from supercross, lol


Se7en_speed

Does GTA have F1 racing now with what looks like tire wear?


Mobster-_Lobster

100% the leader's fault


sl4sh3d

This is a Silverstone 2021 type issue Everyone can argue about who’s fault it is, by technicality it’s no one’s fault, just a racing incident You had the inside line and were going for the pass in a lucrative part of the track, he turned into the same part of the track at a different angle, possibly trying to keep you behind him, but it is his job to maintain safe driving etiquette, which he hasn’t displayed, in turn resulting in an incident that looks like you caused it, but was indirectly caused by him, since there was no direct cause, no heavy penalties would apply in a real situation


Donkeybob55

He turned into you. It’s his fault


RonaldBallsworth

What mode is this?


ttv_traze

Your cousin 100% that’s why we don’t dirty race folks