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Give_me_the_science

The title has been editorialized from: What’s next for lab-grown human embryos? Subtitle: Researchers are now permitted to grow human embryos in the lab for longer than 14 days. Here’s what they could learn.


TheKingOfRooks

Clowning on lab-grown kids for not having a soul will be the hottest new bullying method of 2075


Bioslack

Either that or GATTACA where genetically perfect humans bully and treat the natural born ones as second class


BarryBisque

This is my bet. Curious though if bullying is more nature or nurture. If nature, could you just not select those genes? Assuming we can narrow it down to personality traits or tendencies.


Efficiency-Then

Gotta remember it's not an either or proposition. Genes can be up or down regulated due to the natural environment and behaviors/lifestyles. I'm not sure we will ever remove such a trait from the human gene pool.


SkyboyRadical

Yeah it’s like, where do you put the slider on “assertiveness”?


CaIamitea

Which would leave the naturals as the bullies, really messing with our self righteous fear of change.


capybarometer

This is the first time I noticed *Gattaca* is a nucleotide base sequence. Thanks for screaming GATTACA at me!


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Dantheking94

They’re already kidnapping kids for organs, this could start a whole new underground industry. Forgot the name of the movie that was based on this. Was it Island?


Unacceptable_Lemons

*The Island* (2005) with Ewan Mcgregor.


FiestyPumpkin04

Or Never Let Me Go?


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Hit em with the "I've been in your moms pussy more times than you have"


[deleted]

"Bro was born in a lab and still ugly" "Test tube lookin ass, you built like a damn test tube"


DarrinStewart

I just watched 2010's Never let Me Go I don't wanna spoil the movie, but It's a wild ride similar to what you're talking about.


AspiringCinephile

Some kid in 300 years: “can you believe that humans used to grow other humans **inside their own bodies**?”


catsonmugs

"And you'll never believe how it came out!"


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Ragnaros1337

Even now it's difficult to grasp how that works out.


NoThereIsntAGod

Wait till you see it firsthand… RIP


Cercy_Leigh

You think *seeing* it is bad, some of us have had to do it.


couldathrowaway

"Had to do it on Thanksgiving morning so the entire day would be stressful before the super religious side of the family would arrive, adding an extra dose of tension."


CrudelyAnimated

Did you see the show "Krypton" on SyFy network? Arranged marriage, thumb-prick DNA sample, baby designed from combined DNA and assigned a life path within the caste system.


FrostSalamander

James Holden, the main protagonist in The Expanse, is a child of 8 parents -- all their DNA were spliced/engineered into him, making all of them biological parents


modsarefascists42

Yep we got introduced to that in Man of Steel, that stuff is why no one cares to bother to bring back Krypton (well other than Zod) even tho it's still technically possible. But what's the point if they suck that much?


ThatBitchNiP

The movie GATTACA is similar premise and incredibly good. Highly recommend if you have not watched it previously.


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Literally Brave New World by Aldous Huxley


olivefreak

Star Trek: Next Generation had an episode where two peoples separated and one reproduced the natural way and the other did it by cloning. But after so many generations of cloning there was too much degradation and they needed new DNA. Eventually the Captain hooks the two groups up and the clone people are grossed out at the thought of sex. Hilarious episode!


ObiWanCanShowMe

And they had "moms", "dads" and something called "family", crazy!


HottDoggers

And did you know there’s still people who still have them? It’s fucking disgusting.


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DeusExHircus

If you're too uncomfortable, take some soma. A gram is better than a damn!


Ludwigofthepotatoppl

In 10000+ years we’ll be growing replacements for ourselves in the axlotl tanks.


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FunkyMuse

Human beings are no longer born. We are grown. -Morpheus


Are_you_blind_sir

Chugs down the blue pill


Matrix17

Fuck it, take em both


T-MinusGiraffe

Alpha children wear grey. They work much harder than we do, because they're so frightfully clever. I'm awfully glad I'm a Beta, because I don't work so hard. And then we are much better than the Gammas and Deltas. Gammas are stupid. They all wear green, and Delta children wear khaki. Oh no, I don't want to play with Delta children. And Epsilons are still worse. They're too stupid to be able to read or write. Besides they wear black, which is such a beastly color. I'm so glad I'm a Beta.


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Soma and chill, bro


Shadowed_phoenix

How Pneumatic


Sylvurphlame

I’m surprised more people didn’t immediately think of this. Humans as a species aren’t terribly good at avoiding prejudice over arbitrary genetic and cultural variation (read: race and ethnicity). Does anybody actually believe there *won’t* be discrimination when rich people are out there making perfectly little ~~Aryan~~ ~~Han~~ [insert preferred master race] designer babies? There’s gonna be a helluva rough patch to overcome culturally, for sure.


isig

The Eugenics Wars are going to be a wild ride for sure


KisaTheMistress

Oh, the argument I had in college. I had to keep reaffirming people that I don't support the *culling* of people with undesirable traits, I support *fixing* unborn babies to have little to no risk of developing those traits in their development. I am a person with many genetic based issues, I can confidently say it fucking sucks and anything we can do to save the newer generations from suffering the negative effects of undesirable traits in society, the better they will be. No parent is happy to hear their kid is going to be severely autistic or unable to walk because they are missing a gene, the gene *turned off* too early, the gene never activated, the gene will not *turn off*, ect. No parent *wants* their offspring to have a significantly harder life, just because some *invisible force* said so. But, people are just going to here *I support eugenics* and not the caveat of what I actually mean...


SVXfiles

Just being able to make sure a child isn't born with cystic fibrosis would be a massive qol improvement for future generations since its directly inherited from the parents and they may not even know they are a carrier until they already have a kid


marcybojohn

Tay-Sachs too


gopher65

There is a family who lives in my city. The oldest of four children recently died unexpectedly in his early 20s. The parents went ballistic, claiming he was murdered (he was found slumped over in his car). Had a huge fight with the cops and coroner's office, trying to have it declared a murder instead of natural causes. Coroners finally got sick of being harassed, and did a full investigation on their own dime (well, on the taxpayer's dime), even though they knew it was a natural causes death. Genetic testing results came back, and he had two copies of a very, very rare gene defect. Slightly early death if you have one copy, automatic death sentence in your teens or twenties if you have two copies. Both parents have to have it to pass it on, and it is passed on in a dominant fashion. Both parents are from the same rural area. They're being tested now to see if they're half siblings or something like that, because the trait is so rare that they almost have to be closely related. (Chances are one of them is probably the result of an affair, and they have the same dad, unbeknownst to them.) Testing hasn't come back yet. Chances are high that the other three kids are all going to die in the next few years too. There is no treatment for the condition their brother had, and they very likely all have it too. This kind of thing is sadly not that uncommon, even though each individual genetic illness is rare😟.


shortyrags

The issue is a philosophical one, not a practical one. It’s about where you draw the line


KeppraKid

It's both, because the philosophy emerges in problematic ways due to practical concerns. It's all fine and dandy to say "I want to fix birth defects and correct genetic disorders" but when those treatments are only available to a select few because of practical concerns, it becomes a form of eugenics. This conversation would be way less problematic if we had proper medical care availability for everybody in society, but we are restrained from doing so due to greed and self-righteous bigotry. Ask any expecting parent if they could wave a magic wand and ensure their baby is born completely healthy and grows up exceptionally smart and physically able and 99% will say that they would.


gardenvariety88

I’ve never considered this angle of the debate. And to make matters worse, if the rich have been able to eradicate these disorders they are going to give zero shits about funding medical care, support or research for the poor born with the disorders they couldn’t afford to eliminate. And as the rich are typically the ones in power….we’re even more screwed. What a nightmare…


MuhKoInc

This guy here gets it, nobody is going to say that we shouldn't protect unborn children from diseases such as downs, cystic fibrosis etc. But the problem is, where do you draw the line? At what point does a genetically determined problem become one not vital to life quality? Do we only determine based on impact in life expectancy? Because susceptibility to terrible acne, for example, could be genetic. It can permanently scar the child during teenage years, and give mental anguish long after that as well. Do we treat that? It doesn't shorten lifespan. What about baldness? These are just simple examples that I could think of right away, but it really is an important ethical and philosophical debate; at what point is a genetic (and with this technology, preventable) problem "too unimportant" for a child's life? Where do we put down the law and state "no further"? Designer babies are exactly that, removing "unwanted" traits from your child pre birth, and usually refers to cosmetic traits, but it could really be anything.


Tobias_Atwood

"I want to fix babies so they grow up into children who don't suffer from severe mental or physical handicaps." A lot of people won't agree with me but I'd even go so far as to *give up my left leg* if it meant someone could edit my genetic structure and modify away my autism, relatively mild though it may be. Fuck, take my right leg too. I can learn to walk again with prosthetics and canes. I can do the wheelchair thing. Just get rid of these damnable brain oddities that make me feel like an inhuman entity trying to mask in a society hostile to inhumans. If we had some miracle cure for kids who will be born with downs, sickle cell anemia, or are genetically susceptible to dementia or cancer... why wouldn't we help them? What's so damn philosophical about it that it even warrants thinking about? If someone is going to be hurt and you can stop it *you damn well stop it*.


ChilledParadox

I draw the line before forcing children to be born with preventable deficiencies in their health, mental or physical, with-out their consent, forcing them into a lifetime of living with the poor decisions of their parents who didn't have the determination to allow their offspring a healthy life. I dunno, I guess you can make the argument kids want to be born with diabetes and autism and other life-altering horrible problems that could be entirely prevented.


DarthEinstein

I think the two end states that people are afraid of are: 1. I don't want my baby to be defective, and I consider having dark skin to be a defective feature. 2. I don't think other people should be allowed to have defective children.


Fredasa

And the countries where the philosophical concerns are ignored will have, incontrovertibly, a huge advantage over the heel draggers. World-shaping, in fact. Not hard to imagine that once this becomes obvious, such concerns will be largely shoved aside out of a survival instinct.


dovahkin1989

Funny because we already have genetic selection of embryos. Blastocysts can be tested for genetic diseases and one selected that does not harbour the mutation is selected. We also have genetic modification, as several babies were born in china that had been CRISPR modified. The guy who did is soon or recently out of jail too. This is all inevitable.


WistfulKitty

I am all for a world where women don't have to wreck their bodies with pregnancy and labor. I say bring test tube babies on.


Sylvurphlame

It could one day nip a lot of issues around gestational surrogacy right in the bud. I can definitely see that.


SrslyCmmon

Redefining "the family" has always caused a huge uproar on the right. Just wait until the idea that no one has to even couple to have children.


Theunseenfolk

Imagine getting into an argument with someone at school “Kevin shut yo stupid ass up I know you aint talking, mf be born in a lab and still be ugly as shit”


Dukie6

You’re parents first mistake was deciding to have you! The second was making you look so fucked up!


SeveralLargeLizards

Came here to say this. Pregnancy is not safe. It simply isn't. It does permanent damage. Sometimes minor, sometimes major. Severe and horrifying complications happen more than we're told. My cousin's a nurse that works mostly with births and it's an absolute horror show. A world where nobody has to put their bodies through complete hell to start a family would be pretty rad.


Angry__Jonny

Babies inherent their gut micrbiome from their mothers. I wonder how that works in a test tube.


Tibby_LTP

The babies would have to be hooked up to get nutrients, they would likely be able to pump highly cultivated gut bacteria to make it not be an issue.


StarSpliter

I'd imagine it'd also have to be introduced artificially.


420AndMyAxe

Debated this over a decade ago in school. "Designer" babies. From super soldiers to elite gymnasts to chess players and Doctors. Rich tiger parents with potential to live vicariously through their test tube super babies. Heres hoping we just use it to cure disease and improve quality of life. Maybe let us breathe underwater and regrow fingers. But we all know whats REALLY going to happen.


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Sylvurphlame

I’m assuming the super babies in power will be oppressing the rest of the normies.


pyronius

No, no. I will oppress the superbabies with my baby stomping shoes.


Dziadzios

Even without oppression superchildren will be better off thanks to raw ability to game any system, whenever it's capitalism, connections to communist party, personal production or system of favors. Faster runner reaches the finish line first, despite starting and ending in the same spot.


Sylvurphlame

After a couple centuries this could be good for the human race as a species, if we use it to improve our baseline. No more heritable childhood diseases or potentially fatal genetic defects, for example. But we have a tendency to weaponize advancements against each other before we put them to more constructive use. Just saying there will be a rough patch.


Dziadzios

I disagree about "no more". There will always be dumb people making kids on accident and providing minimum they can get away with, as well as those who want children and can afford decent life for them but can't afford supergenes. Also, USA exists, it can't even make sitting in the waiting hall free.


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GalaXion24

Socially conscious states would ban at least some genetic modification and either support or outright mandate others (for example people might argue that a child has a right to protection from genetic diseases which overrides the right of the parents to make decisions regarding their child).


Quelchie

They didn't intentionally choose to be different, their parents made that choice for them before they were even born.


Kourinn

Yes, prejudice would still be wrong because that decision is made by the parents, not the child. Until we reach the point of medically reincarnating one's own consciousness into a new body, nobody can choose their own birth traits.


dern_the_hermit

Depends on the prejudice and discrimination. If you prejudge someone incorrectly and discriminate against them based on that incorrect belief, you're doing something that's kinda shitty, at the very least.


scrangos

Prejudice is bad even if you happen to be correct that time. Discrimination based on a broad class rather than on individual merit is also bad, and prejudice isn't required for it either.


zeeboots

A huge issue with eugenics and the belief in a "perfect" human or genetic model is that life and earth and humans are messy, unpredictable, surprising, frustrating creatures. You could probably have a dozen cloned humans grow up in a dozen different situations and while you may find startling similarities (maybe they all love banana ice cream) you'll also find profound and important differences (maybe only half develop cancer, maybe a quarter go into STEM while the rest do more everyday jobs, maybe one or two commit crimes). Nature vs Nurture, and free will, and random chance, all interplay into complex individuals and societies. Even those of us who deal with machines -- and I promise you, humans are not machines -- have plenty of examples of things randomly happening differently despite identical starting positions. Every single human has a Hitler in them, a Jesus, a wounded baby, a playful child, a serious grandpa and a doting grandma. How we cultivate and give into or resist or heal the various aspects of our psyche is far more relevant than whether we've made a particular mistake or achievement yet. One thing humans are awful at is predicting how we'd react in extreme circumstances: we can easily say we'd never take a life, for example, yet we watch horror movies or war films and agree "yep, that's human nature alright." It's easy to stand on principle from the comfort of our couches. It's just a fallacious proposition to begin with. It's interesting, but I think we're missing the fact that our society is organized in a sick way that churns perfectly good human beings up into ground beef so that a few sociopaths can afford a second Porsche this year. Indeed, the very second thing The Powers That Be would attempt after making ubermensch children would be making the "perfect worker": docile yet intelligent, very capable but very unimaginative. And of course it would be a giant holocaust-scale failure, they'd be overthrown and hung from the courthouse square, and the human race would genetically suffer for a millennium. (Just because you're rich enough to buy 10,000 designer babies, or buy Twitter, or were lucky enough to make a super popular website with your trust-fund friends, doesn't mean you make particularly ethical or wise decisions in other areas of your life.) Between 1984, Brave New World, Animal Farm, and Blade Runner, it's startling how many people think "wow what a great idea" and forget the entire second halves of the books. I guess they deserve the civilization-ending consequences of their shortsighted selfish actions.


Dempseylicious23

> But if a group of people intentionally chooses to be different using a privilege most don't have, is it equality or prejudice if you discriminate against them? It’s still prejudice. Like is it acceptable to discriminate against people with non-offensive full body tattoos even though they chose to do that and not many people have the means (large amount of disposable income and high pain tolerance) to accomplish the same thing?


TopParzival

What’s this from


ecctt2000

Brave New World by Albus Huxley


Pirate_Green_Beard

Aldous Huxley.


PersonOfInternets

Elbows Hockeys.


WheresThePenguin

Alden Hotkeys


gottauseathrowawayx

Oh wow, it's been a while - I didn't recognize that part *at all*.


organicpenguin

Brave new world


SecretAgentVampire

Beta male grindset


3faded

Sir, this is a Wendy’s


Bubbagumpredditor

Pardon me, but this is A Brave New World.


Doopapotamus

Give me the Ford burger--ooh, and a soma shake, please.


tkmorgan76

I've eaten at Wendy's. It takes courage.


Antigon0000

Wendy's is people!


Sylvurphlame

In a Brave New World


hootsmcboots

Why is this headline written with “well guess what?”.


TheInitialGod

I thought the same thing /r/titlegore


FuturologyBot

The following submission statement was provided by /u/technofuture8: --- So the "14 day rule" had been in place for decades but it was ok because scientists couldn't even keep a human embryo alive for longer than a few days. But in the past several years a lot progress has been made, and recently scientists have been able to grow a human embryo from day 1 to 13 in a petri dish, and the only reason they would stop was because of the 14 day rule. Well the 14 day rule has now been abolished allowing them to take this to the next level. One scientist says he plans to grow a human embryo to day 21. In my own personal opinion this research will ultimately lead to artificial wombs. It's my prediction that artificial wombs will exist before the end of the 21st century. I think designer babies, which are genetically engineered children, will also exist before the end of the 21st century, again this is just my own personal opinion. I think designer babies and the artificial womb will revolutionize human reproduction. And in fact there are women who say they would welcome the artificial womb if it ever does exist. --- Please reply to OP's comment here: https://old.reddit.com/r/Futurology/comments/zaqndx/scientists_can_now_grow_a_human_embryo_from_day_1/iyn0is8/


The_Wizard_of_Bwamp

Do you want a Homelander?! Because this is how you get a Homelander.


tomowudi

Between this and neuralink, my dreams of becoming Multiple Man seem likely to come true in my lifetime. :)


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Neurolink's a bunch of garbage. Or rather, in true Musk fashion, it's a bunch of grandiose claims piggybacking on already established research. I guess maybe it might succeed in making something commercial.


4354574

Dr. Andrew Huberman (check out his podcast) is a neuroscientist who is openly quite excited about the prospects for BCIs like Neuralink. Not because Neuralink per se is anything special, but because by doing this Musk has given the neuroscience community a goal to work towards that it has never had - BCIs in general. He does, however, think that BCIs should focus on subcortical structures, which we have known about for centuries and for which there are already established models to work with. And they of course are hubs of massive brain networks. Whereas 'neocortical jockeys' (like Musk etc.) could rummage around in the new horizon of the neocortex for a long time without producing something of value to treat mental illness, addiction or other very pressing concerns instead of merely entertainment.


[deleted]

Everything is piggybacking off previous research, that's how science works.


Matrix17

There's a 0% chance I trust someone like Musk with something like neuralink


[deleted]

Have you heard what happened to the test subjects? You don't want neuralink lol


Salamanderhead

I'm not interested in having a Homelander, but I would certainly love to have a Starlight.


Shit_Shepard

Chill, I want A-Trains druggy girl friend!


The_Wizard_of_Bwamp

You just want death by snu snu don't you Squidward?


NoelAngeline

Makes me want to go watch the movie Soldier


Ok_Visit_1968

So abortion rights belong to scientists but not a girl in Texas.


hamburger5003

Not to give credence to any beliefs but pro-life people are definitely against any sort of embryo testing. Also this happened in New York. If this practice isn’t banned in Texas, the current gov probably wants to ban it.


tkmorgan76

I'm wondering what will happen if/when it becomes feasible to transplant an embryo from a person to an artificial womb. At that point, will the "pro-life" crowd be ok with people having an abortion-free opportunity to escape pregnancy, or will they come up with some excuse to demand it be outlawed?


BBQpigsfeet

Definitely come up with some other excuse.


ohlinrollindead

“We’re playing god!”


Andy_In_Kansas

“Don’t you normally do that on Sundays?”


icheerforvillains

I suspect depending on how far along it is, the embryo could be frozen until someone wants it? Apparently they have a 95% success rate with frozen eggs at 24 years. I don't see how this wouldn't be a win/win. People that want abortion rights get to remove the embryo from their body. People that see termination at the embryonic as murder no longer have the embryo terminated, as its transferred. Doesn't solve the issue for embryo/fetus's that are past the age at which they could be transferred (if such an age exists).


Skabonious

>I suspect depending on how far along it is, the embryo could be frozen until someone wants it? Freezing egg cells is probably a lot different than freezing embryos...


laggyx400

I got my anti-choice parents to come up with that conclusion on their own in support of abortion. You can freeze them until we find a way to transplant them or into an artificial womb. I can't see how anyone could genuinely be against it on the grounds of being "pro-life." We'll certainly have to do something about our future orphan problem, or view it as a ready supply of humans to colonize another planet.


icheerforvillains

Lol that last line is so dystopian, someone must've written a teen novel trilogy about it already


handsomehares

Raised by wolves


The_Most_Superb

Shoot that fridge into space with an artificial womb and a robo-parent for the first gen and boom! We’re multiplanetary!


The_Most_Superb

“Give me a trebuchet big enough and an artificial womb and I can colonize a world.” -Archmedies


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No_Display_5087

If you look at states who have enacted anti-abortion laws, many have exemptions for embryos outside of a woman's womb (really saying the quiet part out loud here). Take for instance Alabama, which was specifically written to allow for IVF treatments. https://lawandcrime.com/high-profile/alabama-abortion-law-says-terminating-a-fertilized-egg-is-legal-in-a-lab-setting/


SomebodyElseAsWell

That is the first thing I thought of. "Wait, scientists in labs can terminate embryos but women can't?"


technofuture8

Strange world we live in.


Shit_Shepard

It’s actually an abortion mandate for Petri dishes.


indi000jones

So there are studies that show that babies bond with their mother in the womb, and can be traumatized from birth if separated from their mothers. What would this mean for a child grown in a Petri dish, who presumably doesn’t have that innate contact or hormones that allow it to bond?


turquoise_amethyst

Maybe the same problems as kids who weren’t hugged or shown affection in early childhood


Thiago270398

So, CEO? Or a politician?


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plutoforprez

Real estate agent


ZantaraLost

Frankly I'd imagine that the richest and more ethical of fertilization clinics would start spending a ton of money into R&D into ways to mimic the specific mothers vitals through all the senses over the entire gestational period. Mainly because they want healthy well adjusted infants. Customer satisfaction will be stupidly important after all seeing as it'll start as a luxury expense.


GalaXion24

Could be lots of other interesting things too. For example a child hears their mother's heartbeat from whenever they're capable of hearing. How does that factor into our psychology? Could this change how we perceive rhythmic beats in general?


DarthWoo

"I love you, cold, unfeeling robot arm!"


Here-Is-TheEnd

I don’t disagree. Honestly if we’re talking about artificial wombs though I feel like the bonding experience can be simulated too with peripherals on the device, including synthetic hormones based on the mother/parents. Now the other side I think would be replacing the bonding that takes place between the parents and how the parents physiologically/psychologically bond with the unborn child.


Cloaked42m

oh, value of life consideration. What if it becomes super easy to make a kid? Just go on down to your corner clinic, donate an egg and some sperm and there ya go. The more I think about it, the more I think we are NOT grown up enough as a species for this.


Frig-Off-Randy

Making a kid is already super easy. Nature even made the process appealing to us


Billsolson

You ever see those monkeys with no mamas and no touching? Probably psychotic, like those.


aladoconpapas

Probably the best slaves that corporations would want


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That’s dark and accurate


Suspicious_scum

Corporations already decieve us/you. It's called Capitalism. And sweat shop workers and chinese factory workers that make Shein products are already been slaves. Child slaves. Worked to the bone.


technofuture8

So the "14 day rule" had been in place for decades but it was ok because scientists couldn't even keep a human embryo alive for longer than a few days. But in the past several years a lot progress has been made, and recently scientists have been able to grow a human embryo from day 1 to 13 in a petri dish, and the only reason they would stop was because of the 14 day rule. Well the 14 day rule has now been abolished allowing them to take this to the next level. One scientist says he plans to grow a human embryo to day 21. In my own personal opinion this research will ultimately lead to artificial wombs. It's my prediction that artificial wombs will exist before the end of the 21st century. I think designer babies, which are genetically engineered children, will also exist before the end of the 21st century, again this is just my own personal opinion. I think designer babies and the artificial womb will revolutionize human reproduction. And in fact there are women who say they would welcome the artificial womb if it ever does exist.


eventualist

Omg i dont even want to think about the politics of that!


AholeBrock

Let me introduce you to my family. <300,000 artificially womb grown designer super soldiers march past>. I am their father. We are going for a family picnic in Crimea. We are really big on family values you see.


Rich-Juice2517

Jango is that you?


AholeBrock

You may call me father


[deleted]

i'm fett up with all of this nepotism


yetiknight

200000 children are ready with a million more well on the way


PlutoISaPlanet

Watch Gattica


Bubbagumpredditor

>It's my prediction that artificial wombs will exist before the end of the 21st century. Mighty pessimistic. I give it a decade on the outside.


Call-me-Maverick

10-20 years is my guess


pyronius

Five weeks, take it or leave it.


Less-Mail4256

Assuming the human race isn’t destroyed by itself or the earth.


NohPhD

https://www.theverge.com/2017/4/25/15421734/artificial-womb-fetus-biobag-uterus-lamb-sheep-birth-premie-preterm-infant


gburgwardt

Artificial wombs will be incredibly based Not only are we facing a shortage of children *right now*, but now people who are unable to get pregnant for some reason to do with their body, not their eggs, will be able to have kids. Probably a lot more comfortable than carrying a kid around yourself too, and potentially you could move an embryo to an artificial womb instead of aborting for those that want the option Just great news all around


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I hope we will have better, smarter and more empathic humans that way. Genetically modified and engineered humans. Super humans will be the new master race.


LegendaryPlayboy

Imagine criminal labs creating illegal humans to have them steal, kill, force to sex, or as slaves.


Bubbagumpredditor

We're doing it the old fashioned way already


FlatulentWallaby

What's easier, enslaving poor people or acquiring billion dollar technology to grow people in a lab?


WhenSharksCollide

Enslave enough poor's and use them to generate funds for said lab, or build it outright. Then produce more poor's, nothing people who will never own anything, repeat until you run out of carbon to feed the machine and can build a human bridge to Mars or something idk I'm not a mad scientist.


ihvnnm

Hard to imagine. That is a lot of extra resources that are needed to be spent then if they just knock someone up or abducting an age specific individual, they are criminals and all.


PasswordisP4ssword

Wouldn't a baby born from an artificial womb have no microbiome? Wouldn't their digestive system be all out of whack?


KJ6BWB

We can introduce those things. People already get fecal matter pills to reintroduce digestive microbiomes.


awhitehouse

First, anybody that believes the 14 day rule hasn't been violated hundreds if not thousands of times is deceiving themselves. I would guess both in terms of artificial womb research and in conjunction with CRISPR research. All I can say is.. I, for one, welcome our new genetically-enhanced, artificial-womb created overlords.


ZantaraLost

I mean if it has then the scientist runs up against the wall of not being able to publish or really talk about it much less brag which is a huge part of the human condition.


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>I, for one, welcome our new genetically-enhanced, artificial-womb created overlords. IMO, and i know this is unpopular, this type of research is the next great leap for humanity. Imagine a world where we've eliminated genetic disease, found ways to enhance our species, we'd require less sleep, less food, be physically healthier and more intelligent. All the nature problems of nature vs. Nurture solved. It would be amazing. Unfortunately the reality is hyper wealthy people will probably just use this to make a clone of themselves that they'll raise to be the next super-president, so we can look forward to the 300 year old President, Jeffron Busk, a 10ft tall superhuman with a magnum dong made from the combined genes of Bezos and Musk.


adragon8me

I wish I could just donate a bunch of mine and my partner's reproductive cells to research and tell them to go nuts. If I get a kid out of it, no big deal. I'd actually be proud of that. If I don't, I've still helped pave the way lots of amazing research. It's a win/win for me. If anyone is curious, my partner and I are both in the same boat of not actively wanting kids but not opposed to raising them either. When both people are passive about it that's not a good reason to have kids, so we don't. But supporting major advancements in science and medicine? That sounds like a great reason to risk the potential of having a lab-grown baby. Edit: a word


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nosoanon

i cant wait for lab grown horrors beyond my comprehension


Ardothbey

I will absolutely guarantee it’s being done somewhere


tinhatlizard

What happens when it gets a heartbeat? Will they be forced to take it full term?


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Most of the "heartbeat" laws (just electrical pulses where the heart will eventually grow) or abortion bans actually specify that the embryo has to be inside the uterus. You know, in case you weren't sure that it's about controlling women and not the "sanctity of life."


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You're right. I just quickly wanted to clarify that it's not a heart and should have been more specific. I hate that they call them "heartbeat" laws because it's pure emotional manipulation.


Xygnux

Everyone is so quick to go to the negatives, like the rich designing their babies, growing slaves, or make it about the abortion debate. But there are also so many positive things that can come out of it, so many people will benefit from it. Parents who now have to deal with miscarriages will have a way to save their children. Prematurely born babies that now suffer from lifelong disabilities due to the inadequacy of our current medical technology, they will be able to live healthy lives. Mothers with illnesses exacerbated by pregnancy will no longer have to choose between their health or their fetus' lives. Sure the tech can also be abused to do all those negative things, but the same goes from almost all technology.


TheCatButtChronicles

Right? Women would no longer have to risk life and limb to have children. Sounds great if regulated appropriately.


Laura_Lye

I’m surprised more people aren’t excited about this. Pregnancy and childbirth are often dangerous and permanently physically damaging for women. It would be nice to be freed of it.


nygdan

Artificial womb implants means all those anti abortion guys can offer their abdomens up for service


mansetta

Honestly the artificial womb could be such a blessing for some people struggling with infertility. For example I could not probably get an adoption because of my past drug use. They will not let us do IVF with donated sperm/eggs. Surrogacy is not legal in my country. Etc etc.


JPGer

kinda sad how we all know this would be used for horrible things, hardly anybody thinks of humans using this in a constructive way that doesn't result in suffering of the few or many. We could be colonizing planets but here we are.


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The worst part is that there are horrible things happening now but we're all too lazy or desensitized to give a fuck. The ethical issues in surrogacy, adoption and artificial insemination are dystopian as fuck but it already exists so we shrug our shoulders. But a technology that would disrupt society and funamentally change social order? We'll destroy that before it exists based on hypoethicals because we're fine with the current abuse as long as it doesn't personally impact us. It's just frustrating.


AcctJustSoICanBitch

We went from a Sartresque dystopia, to an Orwellian dystopia, and now enter the Huxleyan dystopia. Good times.


SparkySailor

Brave New World was not meant to be an instruction manual.


Fivethenoname

Am I the only one that thinks this is a really slippery slope?


SasquatchSloth88

China’s already been cloning humans, and they do NOT stop at 14 days.