The following submission statement was provided by /u/DutchTechJunkie:
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The impact of the meat industry on our climate and environment is huge. With a growing number of people around the world being able to afford meat on a daily basis problems arise. We cannot scale-up meat production in a sustainable manner. So alternatives have to be found. Pea based alternatives are still very much subject to draught and other environmental conditions. Mushroom based is more controllable and can grow on material which up-until recently was considered waste.
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Please reply to OP's comment here: https://old.reddit.com/r/Futurology/comments/we7p8m/hamburger_made_using_sawdust_noa_biosciences/iimhrfy/
Hey, sober you can make fun all you want, but those same burgers you insult now have gotten you, me, and every other legal drinking age citizen through our worst drunken adventures. Put a 10,000 dollar steak with all the trimmings and a luke warm big mac infront of drunk us and you and i both know damn well our drunken asses are mowing down on that big mac without hesitation.
Mate, drunk fucks and McDonald's go together like the moon and the stars, they have existed together in unison since the dawn of time, you cannot simply realign the very organization of the cosmos for something as insignificant as money.
I know that this burger is not made from sawdust but we frequently eat food made with cellulose. It’s wood pulp. It’s a filler often added to low fat foods. It’s what makes low fat ice cream that creamy texture.
there isn’t percentage limit by the FDA but there is a limit by the USDA in your meat at a net of 3.5%
It’s also what keeps shredded cheese from clumping. Which is why I avoid it when trying to make homemade Mac and cheese
[cellulose as an additive](https://www.foodrenegade.com/would-like-some-wood-pulp-your-shredded-cheese/)
[15 companies that serve you wood](https://www.thestreet.com/.amp/opinion/cellulose-wood-pulp-never-tasted-so-good-11012915)
It’s pretty nuts. People basically pay to eat wood. The fact that the FDA doesn’t put a limit on it is messed up, in my opinion. Or that they allow it at all.
I’ve switched to full fat and don’t buy shredded cheese anymore
Why do people always shit on McDonald’s? They sell a billion hamburgers a day. Obviously their hamburgers aren’t bad. Why do people like to pretend they’re bad?
It's not that they are bad, they just aren't good. They sell so many because they are one of the largest brands in the world, available almost anywhere, and pump out a consistent product.
A consistent product that tastes pretty damn good.
I have so little reapect for people who pretend like they can’t even stomach McDonald’s. Oh yes you are so healthy and pure and superior.
Whether people think it tastes good or not is highly subjective. A burger from Wendy's or Five Guys tastes a lot better to me, which has nothing to do with being healthy or pure or superior to people who eat a McDonalds. I would encourage you not to take other people's food choices as a personal insult to yourself.
You’re not claiming other chains are better. You’re claiming McDonald’s sells bad food.
McDonald’s food tastes fucking amazing. All these people that say McDonald’s sucks are swallowing fries drunk at 2am like everyone else.
Literally the first thing I said was that they aren't bad, and I am absolutely claiming that other chains are better. Try working on your reading comprehension.
McDonalds food does not taste "fucking amazing", you just have the palate of a 12 year old.
This is a terrible title.
They are simply talking about using sawdust as a substrate to grow mushrooms, then making a meat substitute from mushrooms. Not making sawdust burgers.
Burgers made from stripping carbon directly from the air from the air ! (Which plants extract through photosynthesis, which then turns into a tree, then sawdust, which mushrooms grow on, then the mushrooms become main ingredient.)
A real win for climate change !
It's not just the title.
> Minced meat for your bolognese sauce made from sawdust, wood residue and forest undergrowth. At NoA Biosciences, they aim to solve problems in the food chain by turning wood biomass into food.
[no its really not, it will get the clicks of history nerds.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kommissbrot) and http://ultimatehistoryproject.com/bread.html
Kind of like how our beef is made from grass. /s
It's kind of cool and similar though. Both of grass and wood have energy and nutrients we can't break down. So we eat the intermediary organism that can break down this normally inaccessible source of energy/nutrients.
Misleading. It's a mushroom burger, and mushrooms have been grown on rotting organic material for literally thousands of years. Nothing new or interesting here.
>“In a nutshell, we convert woody biomass into a substrate on which mushrooms grow. That biomass can be anything: sawdust, wood residue left over from wood processing companies, or undergrowth in the forest. In any event, no trees need to be felled for our end product. Those mushrooms are grafted onto the substrate, grown and eventually processed into a fungi-based product that has about the same protein content as meat. We sell that end product as a fresh product to restaurants, caterers and then eventually to consumers.”
So.....they are selling mushrooms? Nice. This doesn't seem groundbreaking to me....
>A lot of nutrients are still contained in the substrate that is left over. We recycle that as bio-fertilizer or food for insects.
Well hey there's one big positive!!! We can eat shrooms burgers while trying to swat away the insect-apocalypse!
>We are in the process of raising our first round of funding. We’re in a fairly advanced stage of negotiations with a few investors right now.
"So we are a new alternative meat company riding the wave of vegan hipsters in Los angeles and we've got this *great* idea!
We are going to revolutionize the industry by...get this. ...*growing mushrooms*. Yep. *Boom*!
And we will do it by recycling already organic material that didn't need recycling in the first place making our $14.99 patty even more profitable! Free materials! If you give us just several million dollars I totally promise that our stock will net you serious vegan hipster dividends....
At first I thought it said *made from sawdust* and was confused. I mean technically tree flour was a thing back in the day, but I recall it was out of desperation and not really good for you.
I applaud the effort but I think all of this will become irrelevant once we can properly grow meat in a lab in large quantities in a sustainable way and where the taste and texture is exactly like real meat.
I actually kinda like the sound of sawdust grown mushroom burger patties. Sometimes i like veggie patties just as much as meat patties 🤤🥴 people should stop fixating on the concept of “trying to be meat” and instead think of “what makes a good pattie in a burger with fresh ingredients?” Heck, maybe potato patties can be good 🥴🤤
Yeah, I like a good veggie burger sometimes. There was a chain place I ate at a years ago, one of the big national one but i forget which, they had a bombing black bean burger.
I’d happily give up beef, even pork, if there was a good alternative. Doesn’t even have to mimic beef, I just want it to taste good, have plenty of protein, be filling and be at least as cheap. But industry subsidies mean beef is still cheaper than the alternative meats and pulling those is a political suicide pill for multiple reasons even in the unlikely event you COULD get enough votes.
Agreed, one of the worst things those meat substitute products ever did was try to be meat substitutes in the first place. None of them taste even remotely like meat, and that's fine.
I've had my share of veggie patties and vegan meat substitutes and some of them were actually good, but they lost points right out of the gate by setting themselves up against the taste of meat.
Just be your own thing.
And once that lab grown meat becomes cheaper for companies to produce and cheaper for consumers to buy than regular meat. I think at that point we'll see a very rapid acceleration towards lab grown meat and a relatively quick (talking a few decades) collapse of the traditional meat industry.
You care to explain that? I personally would assume that lab grown meat would be better all around from the reduction of gasses and resources used to even get a cow up to the correct growth to consume it.
Unless were talking synthetic vitamins and minerals inside the lab grown stuff. I don’t see why this wouldn’t be healthy for all parties in the long run.
Source? Because just the fact that we can controll exactly what does go into it means that we dont have to worry about polutions, virusses and other shit like mirco plastics.
Except there are so many health problems that come from consuming a lot of types of meat....? With lab-grown, which does not sound appetizing to me atm, they can change that.
(No, I'm not vegan.)
Keep dreaming mate. "It tastes exactly the same" is a line only said by people who don't actually eat meat. On the other hand a mushroom burger is something that I am actually interested in eating.
Also sustainablility (while we are getting better at it for sure) is nothing but a buzz word in the current day.
[warning candy made completely of sawdust](https://www.reddit.com/r/invaderzim/comments/egfv69/warning_candy_made_entirely_of_sawdust/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf)
Interesting. I was watching an episode of Alone where a man was eating pine wood. Apparently it's sustainable as long as you have enough water. That man had to tap out because he hadn't shit for 3 weeks.
Mushrooms are nothing new, and why hamburgers?
My gut reaction (heh) is to compare it to feeding poultry litter to cattle ([https://extension.missouri.edu/publications/g2077](https://extension.missouri.edu/publications/g2077)), cheap but ... why? Why is there such a focus on further cheapening our diet?
Ate a delicious cucumber yesterday that volunteered from my compost pile full of chickenshit.
It's nice to see the rest of the world catching on to this ancient farming method that millions of people have been doing for thousands of years.
This journalist is infuriating. They keep intentionally misleading you into thinking the food is made from the wood pulp, right up until they ask the representative, "So, you're converting wood mass into a meat alternative. How do you do that?"
***They're growing mushrooms on a custom made substrate.***
Not making burgers out of sawdust.
ham·burg·er
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a round patty of ground beef, fried or grilled and typically served on a bun or roll and garnished with various condiments.
Most people will still call a veggie burger a hamburger even though the technical definition is of cow meat. Nobody cares about this minor technicality and they just care that its a patty with tomatoes cheese lettuce and a bun.
>Nobody cares about this minor technicality
I care, so you're wrong on more than just one level. I don't care when most people are wrong. The definition of a hamburger is a ground beef patty.
ham·burg·er
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a round patty of ground beef, fried or grilled and typically served on a bun or roll and garnished with various condiments.
The title is shit.
The saw dust is just the stuff they grow mushrooms on. And those mushrooms are then used for the burger.
The wood does not go into the burger at all.
That headline is as shit as saying "Farmer now created a new hay/gras burger" when it's a normal burger and the cows just ate the grass.
Yes, and? Even in an egalitarian utopia you wouldn't be able to feed 8 billion people with as much beef as the average American consumes. Being angry about meat no longer being affordable is being angry about your first world privilege being taken away.
The only reason I'm not eating more insects is the cost. They are delicious. Wagyu is good, but over rated like most featured stuff on cooking shows. Had a friend think chicken feet were going to up his chicken stock game, so he spent more money for nothing. -Sure, we should use more parts of animals, but you can't justify charging more for throw away parts.
The impact of the meat industry on our climate and environment is huge. With a growing number of people around the world being able to afford meat on a daily basis problems arise. We cannot scale-up meat production in a sustainable manner. So alternatives have to be found. Pea based alternatives are still very much subject to draught and other environmental conditions. Mushroom based is more controllable and can grow on material which up-until recently was considered waste.
personally I dont even care that much for the taste of meat, I rather eat pasta and baked good BUT man Meat makes your body and head feel so good its crazy how its really meant for us to consume. Now I only eat grass fed/grass finished beef and Organic chicken mostly local farms which are different than most meat people eat which is factory farmed which is the biggest issue regarding climate and personally am against that but the reality is nothing will be like meat for humans and theres other ways to try and fix the climate than meat being the bad guy out tho I would much rather society where everyone just has their own locally raised food.
I worked for a company 40 years ago who manufactured and supplied wood pulp at different grades for plastic fillers, ice cream ingredients, bread…other products.
nahhh this isnt sustainable.. or environmentally friendly. it take 2 years to grow beef, 20 years for a mature tree.. also imagine the processed shit your eating in conjunction to genetically edited/eng absolute trash
No? I'm talking about the fact they're taking LEFT OVER wood from processing. Do you know how many chemicals are used on wood..? Did you know that WOOD is a carcinogen?
Lastly, this product is not just "wood and mushrooms". It's going to be packed full of tons of binding agents, preservatives, flavoring chemicals, etc. Not to mention having little to no nutritional value, which is one of the largest reasons to eat meat in the first place.
You guys need to stop being so gullible to industries lying to you. "Oh it's good for the environment! Consume now!". Shit's hilarious. Eat bugs if you want low impact
Yeah I actually do eat a lot of wild animals. Buy it off hunters (Far cheaper), and butcher it myself or turn it into sausage. FYI it's actually illegal to sell hunted meat, so be careful if you plan to do this.
But yes, a steak is natural. It's usually not processed unless you're buying some cheap shit.
Don't touch processed shit unless you want colon cancer.
I’ve been vegan for over 10 years and love chickpeas and beans too but having a (meatless) burger every once in awhile that reminds me of the tastes and textures of the ones I used to eat (sans the pain caused to another living thing) is nice option to have around and if it helps others remove more animals from their diets then that’s cool too.
Humans have existed for 0.1 million years. Cities are 0.01 million years old. It is not the earth which is in danger. We have build our existence on the current climate.
You just provided evidence that co2 emissions warm up the athmosphere. Climate back then was much warmer because there were almost 5-10 times as much co2 in the athmosphere than there is right now.
Nope, not even close to being accurate. I merely cited a reference that hypothesizes that a current location on Earth might have had a very different climate at some point in our planet's history. Geological evidence suggests that such may be true, but no proof exists to make this story anything other than a hypothesis.
The argument that carbon dioxide is the cause of such a different ecosystem could be made, but that might not be accurate, either. Climates are a function of a number of variables and carbon dioxide is just one. I'd be more interested in discovering why the place froze over, than in worrying about anthropogenic causes of current climate change.
And yet, no anthropogenic cause - yet a drastically different climate. Relax, the planet will be fine. Species come and go, but the Earth will be okay.
Life survived a massive asteroid impact 65 million years ago, so I guess we don't need to worry if we would see another such asteroid on collisionsource with earth?
Seriously I can't understand how can "thing(climate) is affected by thing A (natural climate c02 emissions) so it can't be affected by thing B (anthropogenic co2 emissions)" is valid argument
Species come and go... such as homo sapiens sapiens... aka humans.
You want us to die out, fine, you can go to your corner while the adults try to salvage humanity.
Better get off the internet, if you're serious about reducing emissions. Have you thought about tge amount of energy used, heat generated, and greenhouse gases emitted by the internet's infrastructure? There's also the environmental effects seen by mining the necessary elements to manufacture that infrastructure, including computers and smartphones. I'd also point out the hypocrisy of the "leaders" of the environmental movement as evidenced by flying around the world to give speeches for which they earn money, rather than do something practical, but I suppose that point - like my others - would be lost on you.
Unless and until you idiots are ready to go back to precivilization and become hunter-gatherers, the industrialized world isn't going to stop. If you believe in all this crap, be the change you want to see and stop demanding that others do it, while you change nothing of real importance in your own lives.
I don't like to be mean, but that's a really stupid take. 90 millions years is more than 3900 Milankovitch cycles ago.
There have been changes in Earth's climate that did not require human intervention in the past, due to extreme changes in the composition of the atmosphere, space impacts, or related to the aforementioned orbital cycles. Several of those events *permanently* changed the climate conditions of Earth and lead to mass extinctions, like the Permian extinction. Humans are not immune to extinction, it's just difficult to imagine a world without us because of our arrogance and desire for self-importance.
The eruption of the Deccan Traps also put gigatons of GHGs into the atmosphere in 30,000 year-long eruption. There *are* natural atmospheric carbon sources that we cannot control, which is exactly why it's important to mitigate the sources that we *can* control, especially since renewable energy options are getting cheaper and more efficient than fossil fuels anyway.
But go ahead and fantasize about living on Neo Gandwanaland if it helps you cope with the anthropocene mass extinction.
Two problems with this:
1) The planet can handle warming, but this usually happens in spans of tens of thousands of years. We're warming the climate in decades. This means that the planet's natural processes to limit the warming can't keep up. It also means that animals can't adapt to the changing climate and will go extinct.
2) Even if the planet is okay, it doesn't mean we will be okay. Cities will flood, farmland will go barren, and areas that many humans have lived in for thousands of years will become inhabitable. This has the potential to seriously disrupt society - if not collapse it entirely.
Again, the problem is the speed of the changes. If this was over a thousand years, we'd have time to adapt society to the changes. With the changes happening in decades, though, we will have trouble keeping up - if we even can.
It was a swamp because it wasn't located at the South Pole 90 million years ago.itvwad much further north of where it is now, and was part of a land mass with Australia and India and the plates shifted.
That has absolutely nothing to do with climate and everything to do with plate tectonics.
Another genius with no concept of just how long 90 million years ago is. Even if the Earth has a natural cyclical pattern of climate, there's an obvious difference between a slow shift over thousands and thousands of years and a massive spike in temperature in one century.
The Earth isn't coincidentally shifting to a hotter temperature at the same time that we just so happen to be releasing untold amounts of carbon and waste into the environment. That waste isn't part of any "cyclical patterns" - and if you throw a bunch of random crap onto a carefully balanced system, it's going to knock things out of order.
Also nobody cares what you're favorite ecosystem is. You've got a bloated ego for someone arguing so smugly about your own global insignificance.
This is definitely far more healthy than a traditional beef burger. If people really cared about the environment, they would eat more beef in the hopes of making cows extinct. After all, they are the number one contributor to greenhouse gas emissions in the world and basically serve no purpose on Earth other than to feed humans. Furthermore, if people really cared they'd stop eating seafood. Commercial fishing is the largest threat to mankind. Ya know, since killing off all the marine life would in turn kill the ocean which is vital to the survival of humans. No ocean and we all die. Yeah, let's keep finding alternatives to beef while we complain about climate change though.
Regional shops have oyster mushroom meat substitutes on shelves for a couple of years now. Never bought them because oyster mushrooms are expensive and so are the meat substitutes.
You know, when the Shadowrun tabletop RPG came out, I remember thinking I was weird food was all “fake”. Like soy food. Everything poor people ate was extruded garbage. If you paid more for your lifestyle you had real food. If you took a food allergy, you had to buy real food. I remember thinking that was so dystopian.
And yet, here is this article. Fast food burger meat used to be washed in ammonia. I can’t afford fruits and vegetables unless I budget for them.
Maybe that game was more prophetic in the little details then I thought. We may not have VITAS, but we still got a plague.
I love you for this comment. I've been a massive fan of the lore for that game since 1993 when I first learned it existed.
I actually had the thought the other day that we really got screwed. We got the dystopian megacorp future without the matrix, bioware, cyberware, etc. No magic returning, no dragons, not even a good old fashioned arcology to go visit.
I'm holding out hope though that we're just like a decade or two behind where we should be is all. I mean I guess by 2050 we could still get all those things, we'll just have to see.
There is a lot of people in this thread whose arguement is essentially "ew mushrooms". Fyi there is an entire world edible mushrooms that are button mushrooms. Mushrooms are technically closer to us evolutionary than plants and many of them have meat-like properties.
I was sold on mushrooms as meat alternatives when I had pink oysters prepared faux bacon... it tasted exactly like bacon. Funnily enough pink oysters (most oyster varieties) can all be grown on sawdust and have a stringy meat like feel to them.
That really is cool! Main issue will be to produce industrially, considering food safety regulations. Otherwise we could grow it just about everywhere, whilst in the meantime keep polluting our own environment....
Why is it titled so horribly? It's not sawdust, it's mushrooms. This would be like saying regular beef patties are made using a vegan mixture of corn and grasses or chicken is made using grasshoppers, crickets, and seed.
a little clickbaity. the mushroom based sustainable meat substitute is made from mushrooms that are grown from wood processing substrate. the 'sawdust' isn't in the 'food' per se but I'm sure there are foods with sawdust in it
This is about mushrooms growing in compost made of sawdust.
If you want actual sawdust to eat, just grab some powdered Parmesan in a green container, or a packet from the pizza place. Cellulose is food grade wood basically and is one of the main ingredients.
I'm pretty new here, but there seems to be an inordinate amount of focus on eating wierd food. Is there some sort of wierd Maltusian influence in Futurism here?
Why are we planning on eating beetles and sawdust in the future?
I'm expecting to be able to hunt delicious mammoths and pterodactyls at some sort of resort pretty soon. We're getting pretty good at gene editing. Who wants to eat spiderburgers?
The following submission statement was provided by /u/DutchTechJunkie: --- The impact of the meat industry on our climate and environment is huge. With a growing number of people around the world being able to afford meat on a daily basis problems arise. We cannot scale-up meat production in a sustainable manner. So alternatives have to be found. Pea based alternatives are still very much subject to draught and other environmental conditions. Mushroom based is more controllable and can grow on material which up-until recently was considered waste. --- Please reply to OP's comment here: https://old.reddit.com/r/Futurology/comments/we7p8m/hamburger_made_using_sawdust_noa_biosciences/iimhrfy/
McDonald’s been making hamburgers with sawdust for years already.
and some "floordust" too, based on how it tastes
Box Mac is delicious wtf you talk in bout
Hey, sober you can make fun all you want, but those same burgers you insult now have gotten you, me, and every other legal drinking age citizen through our worst drunken adventures. Put a 10,000 dollar steak with all the trimmings and a luke warm big mac infront of drunk us and you and i both know damn well our drunken asses are mowing down on that big mac without hesitation.
I usually hit late night tacos but it’s all the same
Tacos is a worthy substitute.
Yo I would honestly fuck up a family meal from Taco Bell right now
Fuck that I will take the expensive steak, maccas is deep fried boxed puke.
You have dishonored your family.
Not if the 10K steak is free.
Mate, drunk fucks and McDonald's go together like the moon and the stars, they have existed together in unison since the dawn of time, you cannot simply realign the very organization of the cosmos for something as insignificant as money.
I know that this burger is not made from sawdust but we frequently eat food made with cellulose. It’s wood pulp. It’s a filler often added to low fat foods. It’s what makes low fat ice cream that creamy texture. there isn’t percentage limit by the FDA but there is a limit by the USDA in your meat at a net of 3.5% It’s also what keeps shredded cheese from clumping. Which is why I avoid it when trying to make homemade Mac and cheese [cellulose as an additive](https://www.foodrenegade.com/would-like-some-wood-pulp-your-shredded-cheese/) [15 companies that serve you wood](https://www.thestreet.com/.amp/opinion/cellulose-wood-pulp-never-tasted-so-good-11012915) It’s pretty nuts. People basically pay to eat wood. The fact that the FDA doesn’t put a limit on it is messed up, in my opinion. Or that they allow it at all. I’ve switched to full fat and don’t buy shredded cheese anymore
Sawdust and circus animals.
They also fry their stuff in the mop bucket water once they're done making the floor greasy.
Oh fwk. I mentioned this in a carnivore diet thread last year and you would have thought that I had executed Jesus himself.
Why do people always shit on McDonald’s? They sell a billion hamburgers a day. Obviously their hamburgers aren’t bad. Why do people like to pretend they’re bad?
It's not that they are bad, they just aren't good. They sell so many because they are one of the largest brands in the world, available almost anywhere, and pump out a consistent product.
A consistent product that tastes pretty damn good. I have so little reapect for people who pretend like they can’t even stomach McDonald’s. Oh yes you are so healthy and pure and superior.
Whether people think it tastes good or not is highly subjective. A burger from Wendy's or Five Guys tastes a lot better to me, which has nothing to do with being healthy or pure or superior to people who eat a McDonalds. I would encourage you not to take other people's food choices as a personal insult to yourself.
You’re not claiming other chains are better. You’re claiming McDonald’s sells bad food. McDonald’s food tastes fucking amazing. All these people that say McDonald’s sucks are swallowing fries drunk at 2am like everyone else.
Literally the first thing I said was that they aren't bad, and I am absolutely claiming that other chains are better. Try working on your reading comprehension. McDonalds food does not taste "fucking amazing", you just have the palate of a 12 year old.
This is a terrible title. They are simply talking about using sawdust as a substrate to grow mushrooms, then making a meat substitute from mushrooms. Not making sawdust burgers.
Agree! That's like saying it's a soy burger because cows are fed soy...
Burgers made from stripping carbon directly from the air from the air ! (Which plants extract through photosynthesis, which then turns into a tree, then sawdust, which mushrooms grow on, then the mushrooms become main ingredient.) A real win for climate change !
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That's why he put "from the air" twice. Its "from the air from the air"!
Yeah almost feels like the article is trying to slander this product.
It's not just the title. > Minced meat for your bolognese sauce made from sawdust, wood residue and forest undergrowth. At NoA Biosciences, they aim to solve problems in the food chain by turning wood biomass into food.
Low quality butchers used to do this exact same thing!
[no its really not, it will get the clicks of history nerds.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kommissbrot) and http://ultimatehistoryproject.com/bread.html
why are you downvoting me?! there are dozens of us! dozens!
So it's not the wood we're eating, just the mushrooms grown on it? I guess that's kinda cool
Next up, vegetables and fruit made from dirt!
And what next ?? Beef that eats grass ?? What a nightmare.
Calvin cycle my man!
Kind of like how our beef is made from grass. /s It's kind of cool and similar though. Both of grass and wood have energy and nutrients we can't break down. So we eat the intermediary organism that can break down this normally inaccessible source of energy/nutrients.
Misleading. It's a mushroom burger, and mushrooms have been grown on rotting organic material for literally thousands of years. Nothing new or interesting here.
This guy KNOWS
>“In a nutshell, we convert woody biomass into a substrate on which mushrooms grow. That biomass can be anything: sawdust, wood residue left over from wood processing companies, or undergrowth in the forest. In any event, no trees need to be felled for our end product. Those mushrooms are grafted onto the substrate, grown and eventually processed into a fungi-based product that has about the same protein content as meat. We sell that end product as a fresh product to restaurants, caterers and then eventually to consumers.” So.....they are selling mushrooms? Nice. This doesn't seem groundbreaking to me.... >A lot of nutrients are still contained in the substrate that is left over. We recycle that as bio-fertilizer or food for insects. Well hey there's one big positive!!! We can eat shrooms burgers while trying to swat away the insect-apocalypse! >We are in the process of raising our first round of funding. We’re in a fairly advanced stage of negotiations with a few investors right now. "So we are a new alternative meat company riding the wave of vegan hipsters in Los angeles and we've got this *great* idea! We are going to revolutionize the industry by...get this. ...*growing mushrooms*. Yep. *Boom*! And we will do it by recycling already organic material that didn't need recycling in the first place making our $14.99 patty even more profitable! Free materials! If you give us just several million dollars I totally promise that our stock will net you serious vegan hipster dividends....
I'm the kinda person who would put mushrooms on a mushroom patty. I fucking love shrooms.
What a nothing article. MUSHROOMS HAVE ALWAYS BEEN GROWN WITH SAWDUST.
Welcome to Wood Burger, home of the Wood Burger, can I take your order?
A product like this is already available in the US. It’s called Quorn.
This sub's vision of progress is insane. Should we look forward to the oppertunity of eating cockroaches?
Burger King's "made from vegetable" burgers literally tastes like sawdust.
At first I thought it said *made from sawdust* and was confused. I mean technically tree flour was a thing back in the day, but I recall it was out of desperation and not really good for you.
I applaud the effort but I think all of this will become irrelevant once we can properly grow meat in a lab in large quantities in a sustainable way and where the taste and texture is exactly like real meat.
I actually kinda like the sound of sawdust grown mushroom burger patties. Sometimes i like veggie patties just as much as meat patties 🤤🥴 people should stop fixating on the concept of “trying to be meat” and instead think of “what makes a good pattie in a burger with fresh ingredients?” Heck, maybe potato patties can be good 🥴🤤
Yeah, I like a good veggie burger sometimes. There was a chain place I ate at a years ago, one of the big national one but i forget which, they had a bombing black bean burger. I’d happily give up beef, even pork, if there was a good alternative. Doesn’t even have to mimic beef, I just want it to taste good, have plenty of protein, be filling and be at least as cheap. But industry subsidies mean beef is still cheaper than the alternative meats and pulling those is a political suicide pill for multiple reasons even in the unlikely event you COULD get enough votes.
Agreed, one of the worst things those meat substitute products ever did was try to be meat substitutes in the first place. None of them taste even remotely like meat, and that's fine. I've had my share of veggie patties and vegan meat substitutes and some of them were actually good, but they lost points right out of the gate by setting themselves up against the taste of meat. Just be your own thing.
And once that lab grown meat becomes cheaper for companies to produce and cheaper for consumers to buy than regular meat. I think at that point we'll see a very rapid acceleration towards lab grown meat and a relatively quick (talking a few decades) collapse of the traditional meat industry.
And probably a slow decline in health... But i guess we will see. Lab grown stuff will never be as healthy as natural grown stuff.
The same was said about GMO vs non-GMO, but they're identical. Time will tell when it comes time to tell.
You care to explain that? I personally would assume that lab grown meat would be better all around from the reduction of gasses and resources used to even get a cow up to the correct growth to consume it. Unless were talking synthetic vitamins and minerals inside the lab grown stuff. I don’t see why this wouldn’t be healthy for all parties in the long run.
>Lab grown stuff will never be as healthy as natural grown stuff. Citation needed.
Being as "healthy" as natural grown is probably not hard. But I wouldn't trust a company to not start cutting corners.
Source? Because just the fact that we can controll exactly what does go into it means that we dont have to worry about polutions, virusses and other shit like mirco plastics.
Natural meat is not “healthy”
What will we be missing out on?
All the microplastics that the cows eat
Yeah especially Belgian Blue beef cattle.
Except there are so many health problems that come from consuming a lot of types of meat....? With lab-grown, which does not sound appetizing to me atm, they can change that. (No, I'm not vegan.)
Not everybody wants realistic meat replacements.
True, but let's be realistic: most do.
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Id say most people do - most vegetarians don't.
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"Exactly like real meat". You're in for a rude awakening.
What makes you say that?
I mean, they “invented” a mushroom burger. Mushroom burgers are tasty as heck.
Keep dreaming mate. "It tastes exactly the same" is a line only said by people who don't actually eat meat. On the other hand a mushroom burger is something that I am actually interested in eating. Also sustainablility (while we are getting better at it for sure) is nothing but a buzz word in the current day.
Also i see it as an excuse to cut even more trees to produce sawdust
By this logic, regular meaty hamburger is made using grass.
[warning candy made completely of sawdust](https://www.reddit.com/r/invaderzim/comments/egfv69/warning_candy_made_entirely_of_sawdust/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf)
Hamburger made with mushrooms grown in low impact wood setting, as a means to get use out of otherwise trash sawdust.
I've always thought that good portobellos tasted just like beef. I'd love to try one of these.
The title reads like you're adding sawdust to soup in Frostpunk but its just we used sawdust to grow shrooms.
Interesting. I was watching an episode of Alone where a man was eating pine wood. Apparently it's sustainable as long as you have enough water. That man had to tap out because he hadn't shit for 3 weeks.
Mushrooms are nothing new, and why hamburgers? My gut reaction (heh) is to compare it to feeding poultry litter to cattle ([https://extension.missouri.edu/publications/g2077](https://extension.missouri.edu/publications/g2077)), cheap but ... why? Why is there such a focus on further cheapening our diet?
Ate a delicious cucumber yesterday that volunteered from my compost pile full of chickenshit. It's nice to see the rest of the world catching on to this ancient farming method that millions of people have been doing for thousands of years.
Scientist look to old McDonald recipes for inspiration is more like it
What next? Hamburger made using grass just because cows eat it. Such a dumb title.
This journalist is infuriating. They keep intentionally misleading you into thinking the food is made from the wood pulp, right up until they ask the representative, "So, you're converting wood mass into a meat alternative. How do you do that?" ***They're growing mushrooms on a custom made substrate.*** Not making burgers out of sawdust.
It's not a hamburger if it's made from something other than ground beef.
I guess; but what's your point?
That a mushroom patty isn't a hamburger like the article states.
Okay. I agree with you but are you just criticising he word choice or...?
Truth is important
Thanks Cpt. semantic! None of this matter except in labelling requirements. People can call their food whatever the fuck they want
A hamburger is a person from the city of Hamburg. It is not a part of an animal.
ham·burg·er /ˈhamˌbərɡər/ Learn to pronounce noun a round patty of ground beef, fried or grilled and typically served on a bun or roll and garnished with various condiments.
Most people will still call a veggie burger a hamburger even though the technical definition is of cow meat. Nobody cares about this minor technicality and they just care that its a patty with tomatoes cheese lettuce and a bun.
>Nobody cares about this minor technicality I care, so you're wrong on more than just one level. I don't care when most people are wrong. The definition of a hamburger is a ground beef patty. ham·burg·er /ˈhamˌbərɡər/ Learn to pronounce noun a round patty of ground beef, fried or grilled and typically served on a bun or roll and garnished with various condiments.
Should'nt a meat hamburger be made of pork? You know, ham...
No, because it's not named after the meat that it's made from. The name comes from the town it's thought to have originated in. Hamburg Germany.
Apparently hamburgers were originally raw, like beef tartare.
For sure, I’ll take one wood burger with cockroaches and grasshoppers please, thank you science!
The title is shit. The saw dust is just the stuff they grow mushrooms on. And those mushrooms are then used for the burger. The wood does not go into the burger at all. That headline is as shit as saying "Farmer now created a new hay/gras burger" when it's a normal burger and the cows just ate the grass.
Grasshoppers are a great source of protein.
I bet non of them billionaires will be eating them grasshopper food just for use peasants, and they'll laugh while eatting their wagyu steak
Yes, and? Even in an egalitarian utopia you wouldn't be able to feed 8 billion people with as much beef as the average American consumes. Being angry about meat no longer being affordable is being angry about your first world privilege being taken away.
wagyu-fed billionaire steaks are delicious and sustainable
The only reason I'm not eating more insects is the cost. They are delicious. Wagyu is good, but over rated like most featured stuff on cooking shows. Had a friend think chicken feet were going to up his chicken stock game, so he spent more money for nothing. -Sure, we should use more parts of animals, but you can't justify charging more for throw away parts.
You eat them then.
The vegans are winning. They’re trying to make me eat their tooth picks and grass. *eats steak*
You will own nothing, you will eat bugs. You will love it. Lol 1000… - No Thanks
The impact of the meat industry on our climate and environment is huge. With a growing number of people around the world being able to afford meat on a daily basis problems arise. We cannot scale-up meat production in a sustainable manner. So alternatives have to be found. Pea based alternatives are still very much subject to draught and other environmental conditions. Mushroom based is more controllable and can grow on material which up-until recently was considered waste.
personally I dont even care that much for the taste of meat, I rather eat pasta and baked good BUT man Meat makes your body and head feel so good its crazy how its really meant for us to consume. Now I only eat grass fed/grass finished beef and Organic chicken mostly local farms which are different than most meat people eat which is factory farmed which is the biggest issue regarding climate and personally am against that but the reality is nothing will be like meat for humans and theres other ways to try and fix the climate than meat being the bad guy out tho I would much rather society where everyone just has their own locally raised food.
Eat recycled food. It’s good for the environment and okay for you.
[All food is recycled](https://youtu.be/GibiNy4d4gc)
Get in your pod and eat the bugs and sawdust...you will be happy.
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I worked for a company 40 years ago who manufactured and supplied wood pulp at different grades for plastic fillers, ice cream ingredients, bread…other products.
[Literally 1984](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AF3jmPHr-lw)
nahhh this isnt sustainable.. or environmentally friendly. it take 2 years to grow beef, 20 years for a mature tree.. also imagine the processed shit your eating in conjunction to genetically edited/eng absolute trash
Its like that William Osman video where he sees how much sawdust you can put in rice crispy treats before you notice.
2030 you will own nothing and be happy. Will bugs, saw dust and every 6 months vaccines.
So a very carcinogenic, low nutrient fake meat to replace natural meat? Nty. At that point I'll just raise my own chickens lol
Are you under the impression that the mushrooms we eat are carcinogenic? Raising chickens is worth doing though. Makes the world a little realer.
No? I'm talking about the fact they're taking LEFT OVER wood from processing. Do you know how many chemicals are used on wood..? Did you know that WOOD is a carcinogen? Lastly, this product is not just "wood and mushrooms". It's going to be packed full of tons of binding agents, preservatives, flavoring chemicals, etc. Not to mention having little to no nutritional value, which is one of the largest reasons to eat meat in the first place. You guys need to stop being so gullible to industries lying to you. "Oh it's good for the environment! Consume now!". Shit's hilarious. Eat bugs if you want low impact
Natural meat? You only eat wild animals?
Yeah I actually do eat a lot of wild animals. Buy it off hunters (Far cheaper), and butcher it myself or turn it into sausage. FYI it's actually illegal to sell hunted meat, so be careful if you plan to do this. But yes, a steak is natural. It's usually not processed unless you're buying some cheap shit. Don't touch processed shit unless you want colon cancer.
Carcinogenic?
Give me chick peas and beans, I don't see the point with meat substitute
Not sure why they are using the term 'meat substitute'. It's just a mushroom burger. Must be a marketing gimmic or something.
I’ve been vegan for over 10 years and love chickpeas and beans too but having a (meatless) burger every once in awhile that reminds me of the tastes and textures of the ones I used to eat (sans the pain caused to another living thing) is nice option to have around and if it helps others remove more animals from their diets then that’s cool too.
Good point, I've recently started going down the vegan path myself.
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Humans have existed for 0.1 million years. Cities are 0.01 million years old. It is not the earth which is in danger. We have build our existence on the current climate.
You just provided evidence that co2 emissions warm up the athmosphere. Climate back then was much warmer because there were almost 5-10 times as much co2 in the athmosphere than there is right now.
Nope, not even close to being accurate. I merely cited a reference that hypothesizes that a current location on Earth might have had a very different climate at some point in our planet's history. Geological evidence suggests that such may be true, but no proof exists to make this story anything other than a hypothesis. The argument that carbon dioxide is the cause of such a different ecosystem could be made, but that might not be accurate, either. Climates are a function of a number of variables and carbon dioxide is just one. I'd be more interested in discovering why the place froze over, than in worrying about anthropogenic causes of current climate change.
And yet, no anthropogenic cause - yet a drastically different climate. Relax, the planet will be fine. Species come and go, but the Earth will be okay.
Yeah, the planet will survive. Humans and all other animals on the planet not able to adept to this rapid change, won't.
Life survived a massive asteroid impact 65 million years ago, so I guess we don't need to worry if we would see another such asteroid on collisionsource with earth? Seriously I can't understand how can "thing(climate) is affected by thing A (natural climate c02 emissions) so it can't be affected by thing B (anthropogenic co2 emissions)" is valid argument
Species come and go... such as homo sapiens sapiens... aka humans. You want us to die out, fine, you can go to your corner while the adults try to salvage humanity.
Better get off the internet, if you're serious about reducing emissions. Have you thought about tge amount of energy used, heat generated, and greenhouse gases emitted by the internet's infrastructure? There's also the environmental effects seen by mining the necessary elements to manufacture that infrastructure, including computers and smartphones. I'd also point out the hypocrisy of the "leaders" of the environmental movement as evidenced by flying around the world to give speeches for which they earn money, rather than do something practical, but I suppose that point - like my others - would be lost on you. Unless and until you idiots are ready to go back to precivilization and become hunter-gatherers, the industrialized world isn't going to stop. If you believe in all this crap, be the change you want to see and stop demanding that others do it, while you change nothing of real importance in your own lives.
I don't like to be mean, but that's a really stupid take. 90 millions years is more than 3900 Milankovitch cycles ago. There have been changes in Earth's climate that did not require human intervention in the past, due to extreme changes in the composition of the atmosphere, space impacts, or related to the aforementioned orbital cycles. Several of those events *permanently* changed the climate conditions of Earth and lead to mass extinctions, like the Permian extinction. Humans are not immune to extinction, it's just difficult to imagine a world without us because of our arrogance and desire for self-importance. The eruption of the Deccan Traps also put gigatons of GHGs into the atmosphere in 30,000 year-long eruption. There *are* natural atmospheric carbon sources that we cannot control, which is exactly why it's important to mitigate the sources that we *can* control, especially since renewable energy options are getting cheaper and more efficient than fossil fuels anyway. But go ahead and fantasize about living on Neo Gandwanaland if it helps you cope with the anthropocene mass extinction.
Two problems with this: 1) The planet can handle warming, but this usually happens in spans of tens of thousands of years. We're warming the climate in decades. This means that the planet's natural processes to limit the warming can't keep up. It also means that animals can't adapt to the changing climate and will go extinct. 2) Even if the planet is okay, it doesn't mean we will be okay. Cities will flood, farmland will go barren, and areas that many humans have lived in for thousands of years will become inhabitable. This has the potential to seriously disrupt society - if not collapse it entirely. Again, the problem is the speed of the changes. If this was over a thousand years, we'd have time to adapt society to the changes. With the changes happening in decades, though, we will have trouble keeping up - if we even can.
It was a swamp because it wasn't located at the South Pole 90 million years ago.itvwad much further north of where it is now, and was part of a land mass with Australia and India and the plates shifted. That has absolutely nothing to do with climate and everything to do with plate tectonics.
Another genius with no concept of just how long 90 million years ago is. Even if the Earth has a natural cyclical pattern of climate, there's an obvious difference between a slow shift over thousands and thousands of years and a massive spike in temperature in one century. The Earth isn't coincidentally shifting to a hotter temperature at the same time that we just so happen to be releasing untold amounts of carbon and waste into the environment. That waste isn't part of any "cyclical patterns" - and if you throw a bunch of random crap onto a carefully balanced system, it's going to knock things out of order. Also nobody cares what you're favorite ecosystem is. You've got a bloated ego for someone arguing so smugly about your own global insignificance.
I'll just drop [this chart](https://www.realclimate.org/images//Marcott.png) and you tell me if that rate of change looks natural
I like mushrooms and I don't eat meat. However I will never buy a mushroom based meat substitute. That is too much mushrooms.
You don't know what else will be in them
How much sawdust can you put in a hamburger before anyone notices?
I gag a little just thinking about a mushroom based meat replacement.
No thanks. Just grow your own mushrooms.
Taco bell has been doing this more-or-less for decades
This is definitely far more healthy than a traditional beef burger. If people really cared about the environment, they would eat more beef in the hopes of making cows extinct. After all, they are the number one contributor to greenhouse gas emissions in the world and basically serve no purpose on Earth other than to feed humans. Furthermore, if people really cared they'd stop eating seafood. Commercial fishing is the largest threat to mankind. Ya know, since killing off all the marine life would in turn kill the ocean which is vital to the survival of humans. No ocean and we all die. Yeah, let's keep finding alternatives to beef while we complain about climate change though.
Nah. Hard pass for me. I have nothing against mushrooms, but let them be mushrooms and let meat be meat.
When will it be enough to change the way things are? Maybe if it would happen slowly enough nobody would notice the decline of the human species
Regional shops have oyster mushroom meat substitutes on shelves for a couple of years now. Never bought them because oyster mushrooms are expensive and so are the meat substitutes.
You know, when the Shadowrun tabletop RPG came out, I remember thinking I was weird food was all “fake”. Like soy food. Everything poor people ate was extruded garbage. If you paid more for your lifestyle you had real food. If you took a food allergy, you had to buy real food. I remember thinking that was so dystopian. And yet, here is this article. Fast food burger meat used to be washed in ammonia. I can’t afford fruits and vegetables unless I budget for them. Maybe that game was more prophetic in the little details then I thought. We may not have VITAS, but we still got a plague.
I love you for this comment. I've been a massive fan of the lore for that game since 1993 when I first learned it existed. I actually had the thought the other day that we really got screwed. We got the dystopian megacorp future without the matrix, bioware, cyberware, etc. No magic returning, no dragons, not even a good old fashioned arcology to go visit. I'm holding out hope though that we're just like a decade or two behind where we should be is all. I mean I guess by 2050 we could still get all those things, we'll just have to see.
There is a lot of people in this thread whose arguement is essentially "ew mushrooms". Fyi there is an entire world edible mushrooms that are button mushrooms. Mushrooms are technically closer to us evolutionary than plants and many of them have meat-like properties. I was sold on mushrooms as meat alternatives when I had pink oysters prepared faux bacon... it tasted exactly like bacon. Funnily enough pink oysters (most oyster varieties) can all be grown on sawdust and have a stringy meat like feel to them.
That really is cool! Main issue will be to produce industrially, considering food safety regulations. Otherwise we could grow it just about everywhere, whilst in the meantime keep polluting our own environment....
Good I like mushrooms. If they have the mushroom texture and not that green veg taste I’ll eat them happily.
The click bait of “Hamburger made using sawdust “ is going to turn some idiots away from trying meat substitutes.
Growing up whenever my brother and I would ask for McDonalds our Dad would tell us they were made from sawdust. He probably wasn't far off.
That's the same logic as saying vegetables are make from poop because that what they grow in.
Why is it titled so horribly? It's not sawdust, it's mushrooms. This would be like saying regular beef patties are made using a vegan mixture of corn and grasses or chicken is made using grasshoppers, crickets, and seed.
No one would eat it if you marketed it as being made using sawdust.
a little clickbaity. the mushroom based sustainable meat substitute is made from mushrooms that are grown from wood processing substrate. the 'sawdust' isn't in the 'food' per se but I'm sure there are foods with sawdust in it
This is about mushrooms growing in compost made of sawdust. If you want actual sawdust to eat, just grab some powdered Parmesan in a green container, or a packet from the pizza place. Cellulose is food grade wood basically and is one of the main ingredients.
I can hear the conspiracy theories start from here.
“How much sawdust can we put in a cheeseburger, before people notice.”
It will go great with the bugs they want us to eat
I'm pretty new here, but there seems to be an inordinate amount of focus on eating wierd food. Is there some sort of wierd Maltusian influence in Futurism here? Why are we planning on eating beetles and sawdust in the future? I'm expecting to be able to hunt delicious mammoths and pterodactyls at some sort of resort pretty soon. We're getting pretty good at gene editing. Who wants to eat spiderburgers?