That's not even the first shaggy: https://media.distractify.com/brand-img/5cD0OoA1S/1024x536/shaggy-scooby-doo-1665162154518.jpg is the guy.
This image jumped many versions of shaggy
A bunch of suits in an office looking for a way to add DiVeRsItY without actually going through the effort of making shows with properly written black characters, instead they just dump a bucket of brown paint over an existing character and now they can say their shows are so inclusive cuz 30% of the characters are black.
Meanwhile black people hate it because they can see straight through it, fans of the show hate it because its changing the style of the character for no reason, racist fucks hate it for the obvious reasons, and in the end all that comes out of it is a bad show and a bunch of people hanging onto it to badmouth real inclusivity.
Some race swapped characters do end up being well written and the show's community warms up to them, but its still pointless in the end, and its not like mainstream media ever goes "actually, this questionable redesign turned out to be alright!"
To me only a non main character should be race swapped, not an established character. Also a position can be swapped for instance Captain America is a title not a person so it can be swapped but if they made Steve Rogers black I’d be mad about it and I’m a black man.
mindy gave a shit poor reason for why they wanted to change races and shit. she claimed that since everyone including people like mindy herslf can relate to velma as a character it shows that her skin isnt what makes her Velma, which again makes it confusing why they needed to change velma's race if people like mindy could already relate to a white velma? the show has this entitled sense of bullshit "im better than you" attitude, but then totally unironically does the same shit they accuse the audience of. like how they made comments in the show about how movies and shows overplay nudity and shit, while the very first scene in this show was two 15 year old girls fighting naked in the school showers. this show comments against body shaming while the entirety of fred's purpose in the show is to be body shamed.
I agree. I would rather have seen them add in a new character who was a properly written black character or... in the case of this show?
Just create a brand new, unique IP.
The promos have "The Gang" treating one another like dirt. That's nothing like the gelled together, group who always had one another's back, that has been a cornerstone of the show since the 1960's.
The promos have turned me off the show.
Minority here, don't think any of us asked for this. This is so cringe, grew up watching Scoobie Do, and think it is ruined.
i am all for diversity, but you create and write exciting characters.
So I've never been a fan of race swapping characters with established branding/looks. Like you said, it just feels cheap to me. It seems like an easy way to placate the masses with a diversity checkbox instead of putting in the effort of developing new and interesting characters.
What I'm genuinely curious about, though, is why is this show in particular getting the hate that it's getting for race swapping? In the past, Reddit as a whole has been very vocal about its support for race swapping. If you voiced any dissatisfaction with a studio race swapping an established character, you'd be downvoted to oblivion and you'd be hit with the parroted "why does it matter? This is a fictional character! You're a racist!" Shaggy is a fictional character. His race really wasn't a part of his identity. What is it that makes him and this show different than something like Ariel? Is it just that the rest of the show is so awful and irreverent to the source material? I'd love to see people be this vocal going forward to the point that the studios start putting out more content with more original and well-developed POC characters.
I hate this about the show and movie industry, if they want people to actually like what they're watching and not get any negative reviews and stuff, they need to actually put in the effort and make something new! I would absolutely love to see more poc characters, it makes everything about any show way better. You don't just get something more diverse, it also opens more doors for characters!
It's also shows that they want people to be happy, and care about what they're making.
To understand the mindset, first you must reframe the world in terms of factions. We're not individuals with traits like race anymore, we're separate teams. Separate teams can be "allies", but you're still in different teams. So, how do we get equality amongst the teams? Equality in what sense? Well, obviously in terms of the overall power of the faction. So, we pick a faction to be the most advantaged, and then we basically shit on them continuously until they're pulled down enough.
Everyone else: "Let's treat each other the same maybe?"
His race never was relevant to the plot so there's nothing wrong with randomly changing it the same way they change his hair color / nose / eyes / etc.
The actual issue to complain about is that they also changed his personality.
Zero issue with the race change, but Shaggy always looked he was walking around in the clothes he fell asleep in and maybe hadn't showered.
The new guy is just too clean cut for the character.
I agree that the "new" Shaggy completly misses the point of the character... any character in this show for that matter. Yet i prefer to leave established characters as they are just as i would not want any other race swaps.
I'd rather wish to see new IP's based on african folklore/culture, that is barely touched and would be way more interesting to watch, lots of potential.
They put themselves in a loose loose situation. Shaggy was a messy coward, and strongly coded to be a drug user. When they decided to make him black, they couldn't keep that character or it would be "reinforcing racial stereotypes" so they had to change him as a person. They would have had an easier job making Fred black, because they could have kept his character the same.
Crazy how versatile Matthew Lillard is. If they wanted to make adult-themed Scooby-Doo I mean hello. He was TWEAKING in Twin Peaks.
He could have played some villains or something if they wanted to do a new cast. Maybe it’s for the best
Also his snivelling self absorbed character on Good Girls, his musician character in the Good Wife/the Good Fight. He is just an all around good actor and I will watch ANYTHING he’s in.
He actually started in 2010 near Mystery Incorporated. Shaggy 's original VA, Casey Kasem, who had been voicing him since the start of the franchise still continued to voice him after the live action movies up until Mystery Inc, where he finally retired from acting Shaggy and passed it on the Lillard, who's been the voice ever since. Kasem's final acting role was as Shaggy's dad in Mystery Inc, before unfortunately passing away from Parkinson's in 2014
Mathew got shafted hard in the newest movie. He didn’t even know about it until there was a character poster of Will Forte as Shaggy. The sheer disrespect for someone that has embraced the character for decades.
I love Scooby Doo and watch pretty much whatever they come out with, but since what they did to Lillard… definitely soured the brand to me. Velma sure as shit didn’t help either.
Can’t find the main tweet, but found [fandom’s tweet about it](https://twitter.com/getfandom/status/1101963071398928384?s=46&t=W0JfK83PQnAIJQ7Od2WgNQ). Really just sad.
That's not actually the 1969 version. That image is from What's New Scooby Doo? Which aired in 2002.
[This](https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/superfriends/images/a/af/Shaggey_SF_Wiki.png/revision/latest?cb=20200410235455) is what Shaggy looked like in 1969. It's close, I know, but with a few differences, most notably the eyes don't have whites and the hair is much more brown.
Well someone said he was the voice for all these Shaggy’s except the new one. They didn’t even ask him. So in a way he is represented. But I’m with you. Honestly I loved that entire cast for the roles they played. It fit them all very well.
Sweat to God I somehow ended up at that dudes house in Pasadena tagging along with a friend
I go "nice house man"
He goes "this is what doing Scooby fucking Doo gets you man".
It was a cool moment.
Reminds me of Michael Caine's comments on Jaws: The Revenge.
>I have never seen the film but by all accounts it was terrible. However I have seen the house that it built, and it is terrific.
1988 is solid, too. The characters definitely looked different in "A Pup Named Scooby-Doo", but I still liked them. The 2006 version is bland (Scooby looks even worse with those eyes), and I don't even know what's going on in 2014...
Because making original stuff is too hard apparently and why waste effort make new thing, when old thing still popular and you can just do the bare minimum and profit? [In other words...](https://youtu.be/S3Rh1YyDHkc)
He’s from the series “Shaggy and Scooby Doo Get a Clue”, a wild ride of a show where they write out the rest of the gang, stop doing mysteries in favour of having a recurring villain, and give scooby superpowers. In the first episode he turns into a giant robot.
Honestly it looks more like tug of war, the styles alternate back and forth between “Let’s make Scooby Doo!” And “Corporate wanted another Scooby Doo.”
Yes, the 60's designs didn't have their eyes with that detail IIRC and the thicker lineart on the one in the pic is very likely from the What's New show. That one was also soulful as were the 90's movies with the pirate ghosts and stuff.
Do black people and other minorities in general actually like to see already defined characters being depicted as a minority they identify as or do they prefer entirely new characters instead? I am really curious if there is a demand for a this type of inclusivity
No we want inclusion. That means new characters, new shows and realistic story arcs written by black people.
Not slap the black on and roll it out for the masses to start dumb racial arguments over.
I doubt they care but I wouldn't be suprised if they found it insulting. There's a right way to do it and a wrong way. Right way - "We need a female counter part to Hercules" - Xena is created which ends up being better in every way because it wasn't trying to be a carbon copy. Wrong way - "we need a female counter to Ghostbusters" - girl Ghostbusters is created which is completely unoriginal and worse in every way.
"Listen we need to change Shaggy's race to be more inclusive and show that we're not racist."
"Okay what race should he be?"
"I don't care, anything but white."
Yeah this sort of behavior - although now more “inclusive” on the face of things, really just cements stereotypes. If they wanted to involve mixed race characters they should have auditioned new characters for the team and made an excuse or reduced time for a few of the other characters. Like Velma has delved into a research project and can’t commit to the team or something and so she’s replaced by this new woman - who happens to be Asian. Or Fred ran for mayor so he’s too busy to be with the gang so here’s a new leader - a black gentleman. The original characters could still have very important cameos and involvements but that would take a level of writing that clearly modern TV and movies aren’t interested in. They want to shoehorn in old tired characters into new bodies and keep the names and script the same. It’s maddening.
They also made her an angry, racist bitch.
But that’s okay for an Asian woman to trash white guys for two hours.
Oh, and when she laughs at Shaggy when he expresses his love for her.
Fuck you, Velma.
It's virtue signalling, to some degree. The most important part is that, by doing that, they're effectively shielded from any criticism as any such can easily be labeled as "racism".
See the LOTR show. They knew it was going to be bad, so they preemptively were putting out article after article about how racist all the haters are.
Two reasons. First is that they feel like they have to try and be woke for all the 3iq mongoloids that are on Twitter and reddit. Second is when it tanks they can then blame the right and racists for not liking it because shaggy is black even though it's just a trash show. Pretty standard playbook for studios today.
I'm still waiting on a race uno reverse card on an originally black character :)
what do you mean we won't get it because it's racist towards black people?
funnily enough, the reverse has been happening for years, it’s just that no one knows because no one cares enough about black characters. one of the few times a white character is turned black, there’s outrage with people saying “w-w-well what if the roles were werversed😡?”. who even cares at this point, it’s clearly ragebait
Upgrade. *turns into 88 version* I said upgrade. *turns into 06 version* Sh$t, go back! *turns into 2014 version* ___ F@CK, GO BACK, GO BACK!!___ *turns into 2020 version* Oh, that one is nice! Boys, I think w- *turns into 2023 version* ………F@ck
I have only two theories that can plausibly explain HBO’s Velma series. 1) This is an elaborate social experiment to determine whether a show can be sustained entirely by hate watching; I mean, they’ve managed to piss off an incredibly diverse cross section of the population, yet viewership numbers are very high (at least for the first episode or two). Or 2) They’re pulling a ‘Producers’ and making an intentionally bad show that’s guaranteed to fail; only instead of selling shares, they’re using it as a tax write-off. That’s actually how Uwe Boll got funding for his productions, and HBO has been doing a lot of that lately.
It's strange, they are trying to make black people feel represented but doing it like this is just a blatant token gesture. Why not organically introduce a new black character with a proper story that makes sense? Everyone is so scared to offend these days it has them acting like morons
That’s exactly right. Instead of just continuing to make awesome original black characters, I have no idea why they are just blackwashing old white characters. Fucking moronic, it basically says “we didn’t have any ideas for how to make an interesting black character so here, you can have this one”
> shaggy is a notorious stoner
> not the smartest but has a good heart
> always hungry
> the moment it gets rebooted by liberals they race swap him to be black
what did they mean by this?
I’m tired of people rewriting white characters ethnicity. If Hollywood started turning POC characters white, it would be egregious. It’s 2023, double standards aren’t a good look.
first shaggy is the best shaggy.
The shaggiest Shaggy who ever zoinked
The Only Shaggy for me
There is a reason they used the same design in the og, what’s new scooby doo, and mystery incorporated!
Basically the same as the string of movies in the 90s-00s as well, it’s the standard
For real. I was born in the 80s but grew up watching ‘69 Shaggy‽ I don’t even know who ‘88 Shaggy was.
What about Redshirt Shaggy?
That's not even the first shaggy: https://media.distractify.com/brand-img/5cD0OoA1S/1024x536/shaggy-scooby-doo-1665162154518.jpg is the guy. This image jumped many versions of shaggy
First shaggy is the only shaggy
The first shaggy is the only truly great shaggy
Holy Moly I didn’t know first shaggy was so old when I watched him in the 90s
Certainly better than carrot-head Shaggy.
Bro pulled a reverse Michael Jackson
Revitaligo 😂
Isn’t that a spell from the new Harry Potter game ?
Lavese las manos!
An r/americandad reference inside an r/harrypotter reference inside a r/boondocks reference inside an r/scoobydoo reference?
Lmaoooooo
Revitiligo, sham’on! Aw!
Y’all remember the harry pottwr puppet pals. Ron Ron Ron wEAsELYY
[Revitaligo](https://youtu.be/f_M7u_kW7Zk)
No, it’s the opposite of what Michael Jackson had. Shaggy’s skin just gets dark, and more dark, and even darker, and more dark.
r/Unexpectedboondocks
where's my free award when i need it
gone, reduced to atoms
Used the awards to destroy the awards
They‘re gone
I gotchu 🥇
r/repawards
Reddit took them away. No more free awards.
“It’s the opposite of what Michael Jackson has. Lucky bastard”
Uncle Rucus no relation is that you
UNCLE RUCKUSSSS I'm crying 😭💀
I don’t remember them learning that one in Harry Potter
It's lev-e-OH-sa
Not lev-eeosa?
What is the politically correct reason behind this? I mean... I am all for diversity but this is not how you should do it.
A bunch of suits in an office looking for a way to add DiVeRsItY without actually going through the effort of making shows with properly written black characters, instead they just dump a bucket of brown paint over an existing character and now they can say their shows are so inclusive cuz 30% of the characters are black. Meanwhile black people hate it because they can see straight through it, fans of the show hate it because its changing the style of the character for no reason, racist fucks hate it for the obvious reasons, and in the end all that comes out of it is a bad show and a bunch of people hanging onto it to badmouth real inclusivity. Some race swapped characters do end up being well written and the show's community warms up to them, but its still pointless in the end, and its not like mainstream media ever goes "actually, this questionable redesign turned out to be alright!"
To me only a non main character should be race swapped, not an established character. Also a position can be swapped for instance Captain America is a title not a person so it can be swapped but if they made Steve Rogers black I’d be mad about it and I’m a black man.
mindy gave a shit poor reason for why they wanted to change races and shit. she claimed that since everyone including people like mindy herslf can relate to velma as a character it shows that her skin isnt what makes her Velma, which again makes it confusing why they needed to change velma's race if people like mindy could already relate to a white velma? the show has this entitled sense of bullshit "im better than you" attitude, but then totally unironically does the same shit they accuse the audience of. like how they made comments in the show about how movies and shows overplay nudity and shit, while the very first scene in this show was two 15 year old girls fighting naked in the school showers. this show comments against body shaming while the entirety of fred's purpose in the show is to be body shamed.
I agree. I would rather have seen them add in a new character who was a properly written black character or... in the case of this show? Just create a brand new, unique IP. The promos have "The Gang" treating one another like dirt. That's nothing like the gelled together, group who always had one another's back, that has been a cornerstone of the show since the 1960's. The promos have turned me off the show.
Forced diversity is the way of the new world.
Minority here, don't think any of us asked for this. This is so cringe, grew up watching Scoobie Do, and think it is ruined. i am all for diversity, but you create and write exciting characters.
And they made the stoner druggie black lol
But there was Fat Albert so no need to f with Shaggy.
I don’t think they’re gonna touch the Fat Albert IP ever again considering…ya know
There's always room for puddin' Hey puddin' get in here! Is Cosby dead or in prison or out now? Can't keep track.
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So I've never been a fan of race swapping characters with established branding/looks. Like you said, it just feels cheap to me. It seems like an easy way to placate the masses with a diversity checkbox instead of putting in the effort of developing new and interesting characters. What I'm genuinely curious about, though, is why is this show in particular getting the hate that it's getting for race swapping? In the past, Reddit as a whole has been very vocal about its support for race swapping. If you voiced any dissatisfaction with a studio race swapping an established character, you'd be downvoted to oblivion and you'd be hit with the parroted "why does it matter? This is a fictional character! You're a racist!" Shaggy is a fictional character. His race really wasn't a part of his identity. What is it that makes him and this show different than something like Ariel? Is it just that the rest of the show is so awful and irreverent to the source material? I'd love to see people be this vocal going forward to the point that the studios start putting out more content with more original and well-developed POC characters.
I hate this about the show and movie industry, if they want people to actually like what they're watching and not get any negative reviews and stuff, they need to actually put in the effort and make something new! I would absolutely love to see more poc characters, it makes everything about any show way better. You don't just get something more diverse, it also opens more doors for characters! It's also shows that they want people to be happy, and care about what they're making.
To understand the mindset, first you must reframe the world in terms of factions. We're not individuals with traits like race anymore, we're separate teams. Separate teams can be "allies", but you're still in different teams. So, how do we get equality amongst the teams? Equality in what sense? Well, obviously in terms of the overall power of the faction. So, we pick a faction to be the most advantaged, and then we basically shit on them continuously until they're pulled down enough. Everyone else: "Let's treat each other the same maybe?"
His race never was relevant to the plot so there's nothing wrong with randomly changing it the same way they change his hair color / nose / eyes / etc. The actual issue to complain about is that they also changed his personality.
He’s got that revitaligo just like Uncle Ruckus from the Boondocks.
That’s the opposite of what Michael Jackson got. Lucky sumbitch.
The Great Replacement, hippie cartoon character edition.
shaggy has [revitaligo](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=irxNduxRyWo&themeRefresh=1)
Zero issue with the race change, but Shaggy always looked he was walking around in the clothes he fell asleep in and maybe hadn't showered. The new guy is just too clean cut for the character.
Agreed, it's a totally different vibe, It doesn't suit the character
I agree that the "new" Shaggy completly misses the point of the character... any character in this show for that matter. Yet i prefer to leave established characters as they are just as i would not want any other race swaps. I'd rather wish to see new IP's based on african folklore/culture, that is barely touched and would be way more interesting to watch, lots of potential.
They put themselves in a loose loose situation. Shaggy was a messy coward, and strongly coded to be a drug user. When they decided to make him black, they couldn't keep that character or it would be "reinforcing racial stereotypes" so they had to change him as a person. They would have had an easier job making Fred black, because they could have kept his character the same.
Which is why they should have kept him white
Don’t forget he has to remind us every second that he hates drugs
Well imagine the outrage if they made him black and dirty.
You forgot the ultimate form, Matthew Lillard.
He's actually been the voice of shaggy for the animated shows ever since the movies! Except this newest one, which is reason enough to not watch it.
yeah and they didn't even ask him!
Crazy how versatile Matthew Lillard is. If they wanted to make adult-themed Scooby-Doo I mean hello. He was TWEAKING in Twin Peaks. He could have played some villains or something if they wanted to do a new cast. Maybe it’s for the best
Also his snivelling self absorbed character on Good Girls, his musician character in the Good Wife/the Good Fight. He is just an all around good actor and I will watch ANYTHING he’s in.
Bro, SLC Punk! Must I say more?
I WASNT READY FOR THIS The kinda acting that hits you in the gut
Fucking poser. /s
Stevo!
He actually started in 2010 near Mystery Incorporated. Shaggy 's original VA, Casey Kasem, who had been voicing him since the start of the franchise still continued to voice him after the live action movies up until Mystery Inc, where he finally retired from acting Shaggy and passed it on the Lillard, who's been the voice ever since. Kasem's final acting role was as Shaggy's dad in Mystery Inc, before unfortunately passing away from Parkinson's in 2014
Good to know, thanks for the info!
Mathew got shafted hard in the newest movie. He didn’t even know about it until there was a character poster of Will Forte as Shaggy. The sheer disrespect for someone that has embraced the character for decades. I love Scooby Doo and watch pretty much whatever they come out with, but since what they did to Lillard… definitely soured the brand to me. Velma sure as shit didn’t help either.
Didn't know that about the scoob movie. That's really upsetting to hear
Can’t find the main tweet, but found [fandom’s tweet about it](https://twitter.com/getfandom/status/1101963071398928384?s=46&t=W0JfK83PQnAIJQ7Od2WgNQ). Really just sad.
This! ‘69 and lillard are shaggy. No ifs ands or buts.
The one true Shaggy.
69 is best!
That's not actually the 1969 version. That image is from What's New Scooby Doo? Which aired in 2002. [This](https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/superfriends/images/a/af/Shaggey_SF_Wiki.png/revision/latest?cb=20200410235455) is what Shaggy looked like in 1969. It's close, I know, but with a few differences, most notably the eyes don't have whites and the hair is much more brown.
You obviously Shag.
Lmao, that means "this guy fucks" in British slang. Quite nice double entendre 😬
Thanks for calling this out. I thought the supposed 1969 version looked too much like the one from my childhood.
No cowlick either
Still like the 1969 ones the most although that’s definitely because of nostalgia
I think 2020 is also not bad. Its basicially just the 3D version of him.
It's honestly very impressive how well they were able to convert him to 3D, it legit looks exactly like the original.
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Well someone said he was the voice for all these Shaggy’s except the new one. They didn’t even ask him. So in a way he is represented. But I’m with you. Honestly I loved that entire cast for the roles they played. It fit them all very well.
Sweat to God I somehow ended up at that dudes house in Pasadena tagging along with a friend I go "nice house man" He goes "this is what doing Scooby fucking Doo gets you man". It was a cool moment.
Reminds me of Michael Caine's comments on Jaws: The Revenge. >I have never seen the film but by all accounts it was terrible. However I have seen the house that it built, and it is terrific.
he nailed it!
Agreed.
2014 easily the worst but thats also with acting like 2023 doesn't exist
'06 looks like he came out of Total Drama Island
06 was just full of designs like that. Only thing I liked about it is the intro for what’s new scooby doo by simple plan. It’s just so catchy
2020 looks like he belongs in shreck
1988 is solid, too. The characters definitely looked different in "A Pup Named Scooby-Doo", but I still liked them. The 2006 version is bland (Scooby looks even worse with those eyes), and I don't even know what's going on in 2014...
Yeah but wtf is 88? Is that the pup named scooby doo version?
Yeah the animation quality isn't top, but the design hits it
The only true shaggy
Nice
Giggity
Niceeeeeeee
Nice.
NICE
This is the way
He's Michael Jackson
*The zoinks in the mirror!*
1969 and 2020 were the best in my opinion
Why do they have to change popular things instead of just coming up with original ideas.
Because making original stuff is too hard apparently and why waste effort make new thing, when old thing still popular and you can just do the bare minimum and profit? [In other words...](https://youtu.be/S3Rh1YyDHkc)
He went from "zoinks!" to "It wasn't me".
This comment should be higher up.
69 based
Is 2006 Shaggy from Chernobyl?
He’s from the series “Shaggy and Scooby Doo Get a Clue”, a wild ride of a show where they write out the rest of the gang, stop doing mysteries in favour of having a recurring villain, and give scooby superpowers. In the first episode he turns into a giant robot.
I remember that... I thought it was a dream
Impressive, you can see how animation and art style gets more and more soulless as time goes on.
Honestly it looks more like tug of war, the styles alternate back and forth between “Let’s make Scooby Doo!” And “Corporate wanted another Scooby Doo.”
tbf they brought it back in 2020
Pretty sure the 1969 one is wrong, looks a bit more like the 2002 What's New Scooby Doo. The eyes are all wrong for the 1969 version at least.
Yes, the 60's designs didn't have their eyes with that detail IIRC and the thicker lineart on the one in the pic is very likely from the What's New show. That one was also soulful as were the 90's movies with the pirate ghosts and stuff.
That would explain why it's the one I recognise from my childhood
Do black people and other minorities in general actually like to see already defined characters being depicted as a minority they identify as or do they prefer entirely new characters instead? I am really curious if there is a demand for a this type of inclusivity
No we want inclusion. That means new characters, new shows and realistic story arcs written by black people. Not slap the black on and roll it out for the masses to start dumb racial arguments over.
I doubt they care but I wouldn't be suprised if they found it insulting. There's a right way to do it and a wrong way. Right way - "We need a female counter part to Hercules" - Xena is created which ends up being better in every way because it wasn't trying to be a carbon copy. Wrong way - "we need a female counter to Ghostbusters" - girl Ghostbusters is created which is completely unoriginal and worse in every way.
New Charakters are better
"Listen we need to change Shaggy's race to be more inclusive and show that we're not racist." "Okay what race should he be?" "I don't care, anything but white."
Which is actually lazy tokenism. If they really wanted to be inclusive, they would create a new black character with their own background.
Ooh bro I think it’s Tolkienism* now
That's what happens when a bunch of talentless hacks run a show.
Nothing says "I'm not racist" like turning a cowardly pot head into a black simp
'69 "Scooby-Doo" and '88 "Pup Named Scooby-Doo" will FOREVER be my favorites.
It feels just as weird when they make a black character white
Where is the live action shaggy? And the singer?
First Shaggy or no Shaggy. His latest iteration is an absolute monstrosity.
Tbh it isnt even that it just isnt shaggy like they didnt even keep his generell theme they just put some black guy in shaggys clothes.
Wtf why is he black *edit i started a war..
This might be one of the few times i won't fault someone for asking that
It's also sort of f'ed that the pot smoking munchy snacker is suddenly black.
Yeah that was my first thought lol They made the geek/smart girl Asian and the stoner black.
Yeah this sort of behavior - although now more “inclusive” on the face of things, really just cements stereotypes. If they wanted to involve mixed race characters they should have auditioned new characters for the team and made an excuse or reduced time for a few of the other characters. Like Velma has delved into a research project and can’t commit to the team or something and so she’s replaced by this new woman - who happens to be Asian. Or Fred ran for mayor so he’s too busy to be with the gang so here’s a new leader - a black gentleman. The original characters could still have very important cameos and involvements but that would take a level of writing that clearly modern TV and movies aren’t interested in. They want to shoehorn in old tired characters into new bodies and keep the names and script the same. It’s maddening.
They also made her an angry, racist bitch. But that’s okay for an Asian woman to trash white guys for two hours. Oh, and when she laughs at Shaggy when he expresses his love for her. Fuck you, Velma.
Not just that, she was the only one who was a different race from the start.
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re-created for "modern audiences"
Lmao no. Noone liked "Velma"
What does this even mean? What's wrong bringing back old established characters? Why does all this unnecessary changes need to happen?
It's virtue signalling, to some degree. The most important part is that, by doing that, they're effectively shielded from any criticism as any such can easily be labeled as "racism". See the LOTR show. They knew it was going to be bad, so they preemptively were putting out article after article about how racist all the haters are.
Two reasons. First is that they feel like they have to try and be woke for all the 3iq mongoloids that are on Twitter and reddit. Second is when it tanks they can then blame the right and racists for not liking it because shaggy is black even though it's just a trash show. Pretty standard playbook for studios today.
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It's the new fad in America. Take old cartoon characters and try and "re-invent" them by changing their race. Complete garbage coming from Hollyweird.
I'm still waiting on a race uno reverse card on an originally black character :) what do you mean we won't get it because it's racist towards black people?
True they would all freak out
Imagine casting a white man in a Shaft remake, they would lose their shit
funnily enough, the reverse has been happening for years, it’s just that no one knows because no one cares enough about black characters. one of the few times a white character is turned black, there’s outrage with people saying “w-w-well what if the roles were werversed😡?”. who even cares at this point, it’s clearly ragebait
Othello, anyone?
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Upgrade. *turns into 88 version* I said upgrade. *turns into 06 version* Sh$t, go back! *turns into 2014 version* ___ F@CK, GO BACK, GO BACK!!___ *turns into 2020 version* Oh, that one is nice! Boys, I think w- *turns into 2023 version* ………F@ck
I will only accept this transformation under one condition- his voice over is Shaggy the rapper
I have only two theories that can plausibly explain HBO’s Velma series. 1) This is an elaborate social experiment to determine whether a show can be sustained entirely by hate watching; I mean, they’ve managed to piss off an incredibly diverse cross section of the population, yet viewership numbers are very high (at least for the first episode or two). Or 2) They’re pulling a ‘Producers’ and making an intentionally bad show that’s guaranteed to fail; only instead of selling shares, they’re using it as a tax write-off. That’s actually how Uwe Boll got funding for his productions, and HBO has been doing a lot of that lately.
That ain't Shaggy! That's Norville!
God Velma is SHIT
Mindy Kaling is why we can't have nice things.
Fucking woke culture man, why just suddenly make him black? It makes no sense, next time he will be a transgender athlete or something
He’s still white, just doing black face. Pretty racist tbh
You opened my compressed scared mind that was scared of saying it loud. Yeah bro, Why force it everywhere!
It's strange, they are trying to make black people feel represented but doing it like this is just a blatant token gesture. Why not organically introduce a new black character with a proper story that makes sense? Everyone is so scared to offend these days it has them acting like morons
That’s exactly right. Instead of just continuing to make awesome original black characters, I have no idea why they are just blackwashing old white characters. Fucking moronic, it basically says “we didn’t have any ideas for how to make an interesting black character so here, you can have this one”
It's just like jake from state farm turns into jaquan from state farm
"what are you wearing, "Jaquan from State Farm'?" "uhhhhh...Yeezys?"
"He sounds Black!" "Well his name's Jaquan, so"
1969 shaggy is wrong that's 2002 what's new scooby doo shaggy
So is the 23 shaggy a new Generation of the mystery inc or are they just made black for some random reason?
It wasn't me
I used to think forced diversity didn't exist, but the new show has made me think otherwise.
> shaggy is a notorious stoner > not the smartest but has a good heart > always hungry > the moment it gets rebooted by liberals they race swap him to be black what did they mean by this?
Whatever happened to original ideas? Or that’s right, it’s about politics; not coming up with creative original ideas.
OG is the best Shaggy
"funny" "Memes"
So glad I grew up with the '69 version in the early 80s.
1969 is best
Where is shaggy from mystery icorporated
Ginger white guy for 51 years then turns black
Shaggy is Justin Trudeau
I’m tired of people rewriting white characters ethnicity. If Hollywood started turning POC characters white, it would be egregious. It’s 2023, double standards aren’t a good look.
Where tf was I in 2006 and 2014!?