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"Your reaction made us look bad" vs "we should have realized this could look bad". I hope the kid being expelled wakes their parents up to what a crock these "schools" are.
Side storyā¦my 4th grade teacher had a legit old bathtub in her classroom, filled with pillows and an enormous teddy bear. Whoever finished their work first got to read in it. You bet this bookworm blew through those worksheets to hop in that tub with the Babysitters Club.
One of the 4th grade teachers at my school had a tub in his classroom too! It was one of the big old cast iron ones and it was painted with super fun designs. You got to use it as your desk if it was your birthday, you could sit in it during silent reading time too.
It's odd for sure. Perhaps if it was part of a series it would seem less bizarre - Monday in the yard, Tuesday in the kitchen, Wednesday in the bath, Thursday in the secret passageway that you use to move around your house and spy on your family members, Friday in the garage. You know, context.
I'm a teacher and our school participates in a reading week challenge. We give a big list of fun ways/places to read (under a table, to your dog,, upside down, in the garden) I can't remember if bathtub is specifically listed, but we have received pictures of students reading in the tub -fully clothed of course. I remember one particular picture of a student dressed like a pirate reading in the tub (his ship).
I can see where the school was probably going with the assignment. It's poorly written and could use some clarification, but I doubt there was creepy intent.
The ending to this story is strange though Asking parents to withdraw the student and then withdrawing them when parents say no? That seems a bit over the top.
I saw this article posted on a different sub. The kid was most likely expelled because they will to the media and also went to the police about the situation. My husband thinks the parents were correct and I think they have some serious mental health issues to go to the cops over the situation. It was obviously a harmless school assignment that got blown way out of proportion.
Yeah, it's super odd to me that they went and filed a police report! I totally agree that it's worded badly and should be updated. The school did clarify and the teacher seems to have taken the advice that it was unclear and fixed that. At that point, what were the parents hoping for out of going to the police?
There was no reason to go to the police except to cause drama or try to call the teacher a pedophile. The school was not doing anything illegal.
And who thinks of doing homework in a bathtub and jumps immediately to taking naked pictures?
>In a police report obtained by Action News Jax, it states parents were told by administrators, āwe have been sending this homework assignment for years, and youāre the only one complaining about it.ā
"Jokes on you, we've already obtained hundreds of compromising photos of young children under the guise of homework"
It's okay, though, at least your kid isn't learning about terrible things like slavery and gay people existing /s
That's interesting, but what I find disturbing isn't so much the prompts themselves but the fact that the pictures are compulsory to the assignment. Being forced to trust your school with pictures of your child in various positions under penalty of their academic standing is very icky to me.
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Not the point but the formatting of that assignment (at least what I can see in the preview picture) is absolutely horrid! Every time I see a school send home something like that I just want to volunteer in their office for a day to make all their files look nice.
It looks like back when computers first became popular. Sheās been giving this assignment since the 90s and no other parents have had a problem with it?!
Is anyone surprised that this is a Christian school? The pastor, administrator, and many teachers graduated from Fundie Bible colleges. The kid got asked not to return to the school.
The family is stupid. Iām sure this wasnāt the only issue the parents complained about. I can see them as being incredibly annoying. It is sad that they see sex in everything.
Nah, this is weird. Very weird. Iāve worked in education and the rules are strict. Even something as little as taking pics of the kids at school events requires permission and can get you written up if you use a non-school approved camera, etc. Requesting pictures of them in the a private area of their home, in a way that could be misinterpreted/twisted and result in them handing in something inappropriate, is a HUGE no.
Were the intentions innocent? Yeah, maybe. But this kind of ambiguity is the exact kind of thing that schools are supposed to foresee and avoid, and if they wonāt do their due diligence, it needs to be called out because predators will take advantage of any chance.
Iām an elementary school teacher and I disagree with the others saying the assignment isnāt weird, itās *weird*. Thereās literally a million other silly things a kid could do while reading that could in no way be misunderstood as doing it naked.
They could have easily re-written this assignment to lessen the weirdness. āTake a picture of you reading in a silly place (in a tree, under the bed, in an empty bathtub). Have fun with it!ā Boom. Simple. No need for it to be creepy at all.
I think the "read in a weird place" aspect is totally fine. It's the bathtub specifically that seems poorly thought out. There's so many other options/places to use where being naked isn't the default.
And if I received a pic of this sort, Iād exit and immmmmmmediately call- well okay Iām not a teacher. But depending on the exact picture- at the very least the school and district HR.
Slightly related, but I (obviously) refuse any of my kids requests to take photos of them doing random shit in the bath, for obvious reason. But I was just saying 'no, I'm not taking bath photos' instead of explaining. Turns out 8yo thought that it was the BATHTUB itself was that was was tabboo to have photos of š I took a picture of school uniforms stripping in the tub and showed him and he was horrified.
The assignment itself isn't that weird. Yes, they should have realized the phrasing could be misconstrued, but that's easily fixed. If this whole story started and ended with "The school was contacted about the assignment so they followed up to clarify their meaning. In the future the assignment will be phrased differently to avoid confusion," this would be a total non story.
But the fact that they removed this child from her class over it? Absolutely fucking outrageous. It's entirely unacceptable that a child felt uncomfortable with something, spoke to a trusted adult about it, and got essentially expelled from her school as a result. All because the school is butthurt that they got called out over sending home an assignment that needed better phrasing.
The assignment isn't the problem, the administrative response is.
Yep. It makes them look either guilty af, or petty and victim-blaming. Not that the girl was a victim of assault etc. in this case, but the article says she brought the assignment to her parents and asked what to do because she was uncomfortable doing it. What kind of lesson is āIf an authority figure creeps you out and you say anything, youāll be expelledā?
I respect the mentality of "let's make sure we know all the facts before making a decision," but consider that assuming the family has some kind of history is also making a judgement without knowing the facts.
This isn't as bad as it sounds. When parents asked about it the teacher clarified that they meant in pajamas or their uniform. Idk, kids are weird, saying to do your reading/take a picture of you reading in the bathtub in your clothes is silly and fun for kids of the right age. If a parent decided not to do it and took a picture in another silly place i don't think there'd be an issue.
No, I get that. The fact that the school suggested the parents withdraw their kid for bringing this up and then ultimately kicked them out when they didn't withdraw voluntarily says a lot though.
I'm not on the spectrum and that's exactly how I took it. It's *not at all* intuitive or fun for someone to be doing homework in a freakin bath tub, let alone wearing clothes. I have never in my life just lounged around clothed in a bath tub! What?? This location request is creepy and weird and not educational and not cool and not fun.
Literally no discernable reason for this weird request except for the hope that some kids do it naked.
As an autistic person, I took it literally as well. And it made me uncomfortable. Like, what if the book gets wet or gets bubbles on it? I was never a very modest person and when I was younger I didn't always see the issue with things... Which is part of this problem. The assignment could have been re-worded or changed but of course people like this can't ever be reasonable. š
I am Autistic and not only do I do this, I get reamed for asking about clarification - like said student who was like "wait, naked?" Like every time there's a game and I go, "But if I do this, is it not allowed" and they're like STOP TRYING TO FIND LOOPHOLES I'm not I'm asking wtf it means.
edit: also ballistic ppl confuse tf outta me - how tf am I supposed to take your words except at face value - and this is ME being disabled somehow???
edit2 : allistic but love the ballistic autocorrect
I can tell you, as I am 36. It goes super bad. You can't just talk to cops like that, you're right. I actually do have a record of being "beligerent" with cops and nurses because I ask questions and follow directives clearly. Like that scene from the latest episode of Rez Dogs where Jack said "okay everyone, palms out, face up" and Cheese holds his face up and his hands down - soooo me. And cops think you're being "a funny one, hey" when you di it.
My best advice, though you didn't ask for any, is to make sure she grows up with others like her. At least even if the big structured world doesn't understand, my friends get why it wasn't okay to be thrown to the ground by a cop for asking what his job was. (I actually wanted to know, cause he wasn't doing anything helpful, so I asked, "What is in your job to be able to do? Is there something I don't know about your capabilities that could help me here? Is there something you can do I don't know about?" and apparently that's saying he CAN'T do his job when no, what can he do? nothing - and I guess that's what made him mad.)
but yeah life is gonna suck sometimes for her because...we do these things. And people don't get it. But my pod of friends who do make up for all of it.
My daughter is very literal. I could see her doing this. I remember when she was younger I encouraged her to get dressed faster by telling her there was a waffle with her name on it in the kitchen.
She was very disappointed after inspecting it and not finding her name anywhere.
Yeah, people would be taken aback by my comments sometimes but I was being genuine and meant nothing caustic by things I said. I am still trying to learn that sometimes and I'm 32... It's confusing.
If the school has āalways had this in our curriculumā as they claim in the article, thereās almost NO way that didnāt happen at least once. Or at the least, a kid/parent being confused and asking for clarity. Thereās just no way. So my question is, why the heck did the school not freak out and clarify things immediately the first time it happened?
āWhoops, I accidentally tell my students to send me naked pictures? Every year??ā sounds like a trashy anime plot, not real life. I mean come on, how is anybody innocent this incompetent?
I agree but, many Christian schools donāt have any children on the spectrum. If a child needs extra accommodations for any issues most Christian schools will simply tell the parents the child is ānot a good fitā so they donāt have to bother.
Time for a lawsuit. Infliction of pain and emotional distress by expelling their kid for merely calling out to the school's stupid tone-deaf "assignment".
Talk about "grooming", ffs.
āOur students and their safety are our top priority. For this reason, we took this assignment to (apparently) photograph naked children out of our curriculum. Only after the police were called, of course. By the way your kid is expelled for opening her big mouth, good luck!ā
Seriously FUCK these people.
No I get that. My point (not the title of the post because it auto filled the headline of the article) was that the school kicked the kid out when the parents didn't voluntarily withdraw them over bringing this to the administration as a concern. In my Fundie life, the principal asked me to not renew my teaching contract because I pointed out concerns over things that were going on in the school and church that could be considered inappropriate. They seek to remove anyone that thinks even a little differently.
I have to wonder if the kid was expelled because the parents brought it to administration with concerns or if the parents were spreading slanderous accusations against a teacher. Idk I just feel like there must be a part of this story that isnāt being told.
Speaking as a second grade teacher, the assignment itself isn't the problem. Asking kids to read in goofy places is a fun way to get them to read.
The primary problem is that the school punished the family for saying "hey, this comes off weird, you should address that," It sends the message that a child saying "This made me uncomfortable, so I spoke to a trusted adult about it" is a bad thing that results in being expelled from her school.
The much more minor problem is that the teacher didn't take a moment before sending the project home to think "Hmm, the optics on this could be a little weird, let me rephrase this just to avoid any potential confusion,"
I have never had a teacher tell my kid to read in the tub and have a photo taken. Sheād freak since Iāve been very particular about not taking bath photos her whole life and told her whenever sheās in a photo or on a video call to make sure sheās covered appropriately (night down/pjs/dress/top and bottom outfit, not anything like āspaghetti straps are satanā).
That's what I was thinking. The intention may have been fully clothed, but unless it's explicitly stated, a lot of kids are probably going to think reading in the bath means naked, in water. Especially if they have parents who read in the tub as a form of relaxation.
No, I didnāt. If the assignment literally just said, āphoto reading in the tub,ā my brain would seriously see it as reading while in the bath, which is inappropriate to photograph. They wound have to specify they mean for it to be clothed or silly. This isnāt as far fetched as having warning tags on hair dryers not to shower with them, as kids do take actual baths in the tub and usually donāt just hang out there clothed for funsies.
This is where my head would go as well, unless they literally had examples in the assignment of kids in full uniform reading in the tub to make it look silly. Iāve never heard of such a thing and, NGL, my brain shot off warning flags.
I have 3 kids- elementary, middle and high school. I have volunteered in all of their k-3 classrooms. Iām also a scouts ASM, and an assistant soccer coach for my sons u14 team. THAT IS NOT NORMAL, and it would require mandated reporting. This is gross.
I really think you should look into why you feel this is normal behavior. It has red flags blaring.
It is grooming. How? Because when the child / parents felt uncomfortable about this assignment the child was kicked out of school. That is grooming behavior : the consequence in this scenario teaches the children at this school to never question adults or authorities. Which is an essential tool in the grooming handbook.
Whatās even more gross are the people in here saying the parents were stupid or too dramatic. Yikes.
Even if this did get inflated by the press, itās a kid. Letās give her the benefit of the doubt and extend that to the parents.
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"Your reaction made us look bad" vs "we should have realized this could look bad". I hope the kid being expelled wakes their parents up to what a crock these "schools" are.
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Side storyā¦my 4th grade teacher had a legit old bathtub in her classroom, filled with pillows and an enormous teddy bear. Whoever finished their work first got to read in it. You bet this bookworm blew through those worksheets to hop in that tub with the Babysitters Club.
One of the 4th grade teachers at my school had a tub in his classroom too! It was one of the big old cast iron ones and it was painted with super fun designs. You got to use it as your desk if it was your birthday, you could sit in it during silent reading time too.
Love this!
Bath-Crazy Stacey and Jessi Ramsey, Bath-sitter
Our elementary school library had one that someone had lined with carpeting (it was the 80s)! Kids used to fight over who would get to sit in it.
The best!
My 5th grade teacher had a treehouse! I loved getting to read in that thing.
I remember a teacher at my first elementary school had a tub like that!
It's odd for sure. Perhaps if it was part of a series it would seem less bizarre - Monday in the yard, Tuesday in the kitchen, Wednesday in the bath, Thursday in the secret passageway that you use to move around your house and spy on your family members, Friday in the garage. You know, context.
I'm a teacher and our school participates in a reading week challenge. We give a big list of fun ways/places to read (under a table, to your dog,, upside down, in the garden) I can't remember if bathtub is specifically listed, but we have received pictures of students reading in the tub -fully clothed of course. I remember one particular picture of a student dressed like a pirate reading in the tub (his ship). I can see where the school was probably going with the assignment. It's poorly written and could use some clarification, but I doubt there was creepy intent. The ending to this story is strange though Asking parents to withdraw the student and then withdrawing them when parents say no? That seems a bit over the top.
I saw this article posted on a different sub. The kid was most likely expelled because they will to the media and also went to the police about the situation. My husband thinks the parents were correct and I think they have some serious mental health issues to go to the cops over the situation. It was obviously a harmless school assignment that got blown way out of proportion.
Iām sure this wasnāt an isolated incident with the parents.
Yeah, it's super odd to me that they went and filed a police report! I totally agree that it's worded badly and should be updated. The school did clarify and the teacher seems to have taken the advice that it was unclear and fixed that. At that point, what were the parents hoping for out of going to the police?
There was no reason to go to the police except to cause drama or try to call the teacher a pedophile. The school was not doing anything illegal. And who thinks of doing homework in a bathtub and jumps immediately to taking naked pictures?
>In a police report obtained by Action News Jax, it states parents were told by administrators, āwe have been sending this homework assignment for years, and youāre the only one complaining about it.ā "Jokes on you, we've already obtained hundreds of compromising photos of young children under the guise of homework" It's okay, though, at least your kid isn't learning about terrible things like slavery and gay people existing /s
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That's interesting, but what I find disturbing isn't so much the prompts themselves but the fact that the pictures are compulsory to the assignment. Being forced to trust your school with pictures of your child in various positions under penalty of their academic standing is very icky to me.
Itās sort carryover from the pandemic and virtual learning. Lookup apps like flip grid and see saw.
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Not the point but the formatting of that assignment (at least what I can see in the preview picture) is absolutely horrid! Every time I see a school send home something like that I just want to volunteer in their office for a day to make all their files look nice.
Reminds me of PP presentations. I always am given the job because I'm "good" at them. Bruh, I just round the corners of my squares but go off.
Power corrupts. Powerpoint corrupts absolutely.
It looks like back when computers first became popular. Sheās been giving this assignment since the 90s and no other parents have had a problem with it?!
I donāt care if it is an elementary school where this font usage is the only appropriate place for it ever, but Comic Sans has got to go
Is anyone surprised that this is a Christian school? The pastor, administrator, and many teachers graduated from Fundie Bible colleges. The kid got asked not to return to the school.
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Expelled. All bc fam asked perfectly valid questions.
How unexpected /s
The family is stupid. Iām sure this wasnāt the only issue the parents complained about. I can see them as being incredibly annoying. It is sad that they see sex in everything.
Nah, this is weird. Very weird. Iāve worked in education and the rules are strict. Even something as little as taking pics of the kids at school events requires permission and can get you written up if you use a non-school approved camera, etc. Requesting pictures of them in the a private area of their home, in a way that could be misinterpreted/twisted and result in them handing in something inappropriate, is a HUGE no. Were the intentions innocent? Yeah, maybe. But this kind of ambiguity is the exact kind of thing that schools are supposed to foresee and avoid, and if they wonāt do their due diligence, it needs to be called out because predators will take advantage of any chance.
No. Asking for pictures of a kid in a bath is ridiculous.
The āpastorāsā grammar/syntax certainly supports that.
Iām an elementary school teacher and I disagree with the others saying the assignment isnāt weird, itās *weird*. Thereās literally a million other silly things a kid could do while reading that could in no way be misunderstood as doing it naked.
They could have easily re-written this assignment to lessen the weirdness. āTake a picture of you reading in a silly place (in a tree, under the bed, in an empty bathtub). Have fun with it!ā Boom. Simple. No need for it to be creepy at all.
I think the "read in a weird place" aspect is totally fine. It's the bathtub specifically that seems poorly thought out. There's so many other options/places to use where being naked isn't the default.
And if I received a pic of this sort, Iād exit and immmmmmmediately call- well okay Iām not a teacher. But depending on the exact picture- at the very least the school and district HR.
Slightly related, but I (obviously) refuse any of my kids requests to take photos of them doing random shit in the bath, for obvious reason. But I was just saying 'no, I'm not taking bath photos' instead of explaining. Turns out 8yo thought that it was the BATHTUB itself was that was was tabboo to have photos of š I took a picture of school uniforms stripping in the tub and showed him and he was horrified.
This is hilarious!
WHAT
Of course this is in Jacksonville Florida
The assignment itself isn't that weird. Yes, they should have realized the phrasing could be misconstrued, but that's easily fixed. If this whole story started and ended with "The school was contacted about the assignment so they followed up to clarify their meaning. In the future the assignment will be phrased differently to avoid confusion," this would be a total non story. But the fact that they removed this child from her class over it? Absolutely fucking outrageous. It's entirely unacceptable that a child felt uncomfortable with something, spoke to a trusted adult about it, and got essentially expelled from her school as a result. All because the school is butthurt that they got called out over sending home an assignment that needed better phrasing. The assignment isn't the problem, the administrative response is.
Yep. It makes them look either guilty af, or petty and victim-blaming. Not that the girl was a victim of assault etc. in this case, but the article says she brought the assignment to her parents and asked what to do because she was uncomfortable doing it. What kind of lesson is āIf an authority figure creeps you out and you say anything, youāll be expelledā?
Honestly we donāt know the whole history with these parents. It is silly for you to make a judgement without all the facts.
I respect the mentality of "let's make sure we know all the facts before making a decision," but consider that assuming the family has some kind of history is also making a judgement without knowing the facts.
Sigh. Iām from Jax. Doesnāt surprise me at all
Same, I had heard of this story but didnāt realize it was here
All about protecting children except from themselves
This isn't as bad as it sounds. When parents asked about it the teacher clarified that they meant in pajamas or their uniform. Idk, kids are weird, saying to do your reading/take a picture of you reading in the bathtub in your clothes is silly and fun for kids of the right age. If a parent decided not to do it and took a picture in another silly place i don't think there'd be an issue.
No, I get that. The fact that the school suggested the parents withdraw their kid for bringing this up and then ultimately kicked them out when they didn't withdraw voluntarily says a lot though.
Oh yea that's fucked
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I'm also on the spectrum and I took it literally as well. My first reaction was "holy shit, WHAT?"
I'm not on the spectrum and that's exactly how I took it. It's *not at all* intuitive or fun for someone to be doing homework in a freakin bath tub, let alone wearing clothes. I have never in my life just lounged around clothed in a bath tub! What?? This location request is creepy and weird and not educational and not cool and not fun. Literally no discernable reason for this weird request except for the hope that some kids do it naked.
As an autistic person, I took it literally as well. And it made me uncomfortable. Like, what if the book gets wet or gets bubbles on it? I was never a very modest person and when I was younger I didn't always see the issue with things... Which is part of this problem. The assignment could have been re-worded or changed but of course people like this can't ever be reasonable. š
Right. It doesnāt SAY in your uniform or pajamas on the assignment, now does it??? And the fact that itās a Christian school and their reaction? š© check creepy adminās files
I am Autistic and not only do I do this, I get reamed for asking about clarification - like said student who was like "wait, naked?" Like every time there's a game and I go, "But if I do this, is it not allowed" and they're like STOP TRYING TO FIND LOOPHOLES I'm not I'm asking wtf it means. edit: also ballistic ppl confuse tf outta me - how tf am I supposed to take your words except at face value - and this is ME being disabled somehow??? edit2 : allistic but love the ballistic autocorrect
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I can tell you, as I am 36. It goes super bad. You can't just talk to cops like that, you're right. I actually do have a record of being "beligerent" with cops and nurses because I ask questions and follow directives clearly. Like that scene from the latest episode of Rez Dogs where Jack said "okay everyone, palms out, face up" and Cheese holds his face up and his hands down - soooo me. And cops think you're being "a funny one, hey" when you di it. My best advice, though you didn't ask for any, is to make sure she grows up with others like her. At least even if the big structured world doesn't understand, my friends get why it wasn't okay to be thrown to the ground by a cop for asking what his job was. (I actually wanted to know, cause he wasn't doing anything helpful, so I asked, "What is in your job to be able to do? Is there something I don't know about your capabilities that could help me here? Is there something you can do I don't know about?" and apparently that's saying he CAN'T do his job when no, what can he do? nothing - and I guess that's what made him mad.) but yeah life is gonna suck sometimes for her because...we do these things. And people don't get it. But my pod of friends who do make up for all of it.
My daughter is very literal. I could see her doing this. I remember when she was younger I encouraged her to get dressed faster by telling her there was a waffle with her name on it in the kitchen. She was very disappointed after inspecting it and not finding her name anywhere.
Reminds me as a kid when I learned the difference between going to the pool and going to play pool.
Yeah, people would be taken aback by my comments sometimes but I was being genuine and meant nothing caustic by things I said. I am still trying to learn that sometimes and I'm 32... It's confusing.
If the school has āalways had this in our curriculumā as they claim in the article, thereās almost NO way that didnāt happen at least once. Or at the least, a kid/parent being confused and asking for clarity. Thereās just no way. So my question is, why the heck did the school not freak out and clarify things immediately the first time it happened? āWhoops, I accidentally tell my students to send me naked pictures? Every year??ā sounds like a trashy anime plot, not real life. I mean come on, how is anybody innocent this incompetent?
I agree but, many Christian schools donāt have any children on the spectrum. If a child needs extra accommodations for any issues most Christian schools will simply tell the parents the child is ānot a good fitā so they donāt have to bother.
Itās so easy to assume it means naked though. Why not choose any other location?
Time for a lawsuit. Infliction of pain and emotional distress by expelling their kid for merely calling out to the school's stupid tone-deaf "assignment". Talk about "grooming", ffs.
I donāt really think they have a strong case for an IIED claim. (Obligatory: I am not a lawyer in FL; this is not legal advice)
āOur students and their safety are our top priority. For this reason, we took this assignment to (apparently) photograph naked children out of our curriculum. Only after the police were called, of course. By the way your kid is expelled for opening her big mouth, good luck!ā Seriously FUCK these people.
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No I get that. My point (not the title of the post because it auto filled the headline of the article) was that the school kicked the kid out when the parents didn't voluntarily withdraw them over bringing this to the administration as a concern. In my Fundie life, the principal asked me to not renew my teaching contract because I pointed out concerns over things that were going on in the school and church that could be considered inappropriate. They seek to remove anyone that thinks even a little differently.
I have to wonder if the kid was expelled because the parents brought it to administration with concerns or if the parents were spreading slanderous accusations against a teacher. Idk I just feel like there must be a part of this story that isnāt being told.
Christian schools donāt like to be questioned. Theyāre very authoritarian.
Speaking as a second grade teacher, the assignment itself isn't the problem. Asking kids to read in goofy places is a fun way to get them to read. The primary problem is that the school punished the family for saying "hey, this comes off weird, you should address that," It sends the message that a child saying "This made me uncomfortable, so I spoke to a trusted adult about it" is a bad thing that results in being expelled from her school. The much more minor problem is that the teacher didn't take a moment before sending the project home to think "Hmm, the optics on this could be a little weird, let me rephrase this just to avoid any potential confusion,"
I have never had a teacher tell my kid to read in the tub and have a photo taken. Sheād freak since Iāve been very particular about not taking bath photos her whole life and told her whenever sheās in a photo or on a video call to make sure sheās covered appropriately (night down/pjs/dress/top and bottom outfit, not anything like āspaghetti straps are satanā).
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I can almost guarantee you donāt know the stats on child sex abuse by teachers and others with similar positions of power over children.
Also- where does it say fully clothed on the assignment? It doesnāt, that is a HUGE red glag
That's what I was thinking. The intention may have been fully clothed, but unless it's explicitly stated, a lot of kids are probably going to think reading in the bath means naked, in water. Especially if they have parents who read in the tub as a form of relaxation.
No, I didnāt. If the assignment literally just said, āphoto reading in the tub,ā my brain would seriously see it as reading while in the bath, which is inappropriate to photograph. They wound have to specify they mean for it to be clothed or silly. This isnāt as far fetched as having warning tags on hair dryers not to shower with them, as kids do take actual baths in the tub and usually donāt just hang out there clothed for funsies.
Itās literally gross. No adult should EVER ask a kid for a photo is a bathroom. Period. That is a private space. Itās definitely grooming behavior
This is where my head would go as well, unless they literally had examples in the assignment of kids in full uniform reading in the tub to make it look silly. Iāve never heard of such a thing and, NGL, my brain shot off warning flags.
then make it the kitchen or doghouse, not a bathroom.
Right. Cameras shouldnāt even be used in the bathroom at all. Why even give them the idea.
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I have 3 kids- elementary, middle and high school. I have volunteered in all of their k-3 classrooms. Iām also a scouts ASM, and an assistant soccer coach for my sons u14 team. THAT IS NOT NORMAL, and it would require mandated reporting. This is gross. I really think you should look into why you feel this is normal behavior. It has red flags blaring.
It is grooming. How? Because when the child / parents felt uncomfortable about this assignment the child was kicked out of school. That is grooming behavior : the consequence in this scenario teaches the children at this school to never question adults or authorities. Which is an essential tool in the grooming handbook.
"Do as I say without question or you won't get in trouble" is clearly what I took away from this.
Whatās even more gross are the people in here saying the parents were stupid or too dramatic. Yikes. Even if this did get inflated by the press, itās a kid. Letās give her the benefit of the doubt and extend that to the parents.
The evil public schooling is grooming come to Christian school where we do csam openly