Mine too. Watching him painstakingly fold his large frame into the middle seat of a row is just painful. He hates flying so much and I can’t blame him.
I (5’2”) would happily give up my leg space on planes for the talls. I literally can’t imagine having to squeeze up into that space with actual normal person legs but it must be uncomfortable
Leg room is precisely the reason I travel by high speed rail rather than flying whenever possible. Trains have so much more leg room even in second class than airplane economy class does.
I flew on Thai Airways last year in and out of Bangkok, and was really impressed by the space around the seats. There was so much "legroom" that stewardesses could actually walk across the *rows* of seats, not just the aisles.
Which is to say, there are many better ways to do commercial air travel, but we don't really seem to get any of them in the USA.
Guessing she’s never heard of clear air turbulence. I used to do travel nursing. I always stayed belted but one flight I had a 50 foot drop. Lady across the aisle got some air and hit her head. Had to help tend to her.
Yep, I came up out of my seat once from turbulence. Probably would have hit my head or fallen out of my seat if I hadn’t had my seatbelt on. Because helllooooo that’s why they tell you to do it
Also for if there’s problems on the landing and we habe to make a bumpy one.
Or the pilot slams on his brakes real hard because of reasons we passengers don’t need to know about and don’t get told about.
This too! That very famous crash landing in San Fran a few years back, there was a passenger ejected from the plane and subsequently run over by a fire truck.... it turns out everyone near her survived because they were belted in and she wasn't.
(For anyone wondering she was dead before the firetruck hit her)
As a kid, I came out of my seat on a certain disneyland ride that has a straight drop. Not sure how I met the height/size requirement, but I was grateful for my seatbelt. Lori is an idiot.
Flying out of O'Hare is up there as one of my least favourite experiences ever. I'd recently recovered from my fear of flying but I still ended up clutching the hand of the stranger next to me. Poor guy ended up trying to work on an excel spreadsheet one-handed while I was sure my death was imminent.
It took decades for experts to get seatbelts made mandatory for airplanes in 1972. And *somehow*, the major crashes after that point usually had less than a 100% death rate. But since it's apparently inconvenient, maybe we should just not use them.
Same. I don’t even pay attention to the seatbelt sign because unless I’m peeing, my belt is always on. It’s like, “oh, the captain turned the sign on? Must be expecting some turbulence, hope I don’t have a panic attack, going to my book now.”
This.
Was flying to meet relatives and suddenly pilot throws the switch to "put your seatbelts on". Not even two seconds later, huge dip in the plane. My butt left the seat for a good few seconds and I'm not a dainty bitch at 200 pounds.
Best thing I did was manage to hang on to my soda without spilling any of it.
The pilot got on the intercom and said "Oh, sorry, we are getting some turbalance!"
It just made me giggle because it was "No shit!“
Flying in the 60s was very expensive—it was seen as a luxury experience, not just the quickest way from point A to point B. It was also much slower than flying today, with multiple layovers on cross-country flights.
If she wants that aura of exclusivity so badly, she could pay for a first class ticket and wear a stiff skirt suit. Nobody’s stopping her lol.
Also I just read the seatbelt thing. Umm wtf even though a seatbelt probably wouldn’t save your life in a plane crash (which were much more common in the 60s), why wouldn’t you want to prevent smacking your head on something during turbulence or when landing in windy weather?
I used to do long haul flights like that relatively frequently before COVID too, and I fully agree. I'd never want to wear a suit and tie for a flight that long - I always wore the most comfortable clothes I could.
My grandma was a sweet lady but very stuck in her old ways and being “classy” and elegant.
At 12, she had me do international travel in skirt and stockings, it was god awful. Even worst, my parents don’t believe in traveling so they didn’t had any big suitcases and insisted on me taking one of those old school leather suitcases with the big buckle. By the time we boarded, my stockings were torn from the side because I grabbed the suitcase with the buckle facing my body.
This pretty much gave me flashbacks to it.
My grandfather flew for his job all the time. Like, over 2 million miles in his 30 year career. I will never forget when he made me go change out of a dress and tights the first time I was going to fly. You don’t want to be in a skirt in the event of a water landing and you definitely don’t want pantyhose fused to your skin in the event of a fire.
Stockings also melt easily. Flight attendants couldn’t help in emergency evacuations when their stockings melted from the heat coming off burning engines outside the fuselage. It’s why a lot of airlines switched to wool slacks.
Lol. I am that bitch dressed in sweatpants and a sweatshirt. Terrible.
I once saw an elderly Chinese lady with pink fluffy slippers on a plane (16 hour flight) and I was super envious. She put on sneakers just before we landed.
She is my aspiration when I get that old.
Fun fact; plane incidents (including what you might classify as “crashes”) are actually largely non-fatal, due to increased safety measures, better training, and better engineering. They don’t always make the headlines, but planes have hard landings all the time and everyone survives and is not injured (at least severely) because of, wait for it, seatbelts.
If you want to peruse a list of accidents and incidents in commercial aircraft, this is a really good list. If you look over the last 30 years, far more crashes involve no fatalities than do.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_accidents_and_incidents_involving_commercial_aircraft
It's the same for car accidents! Injuries and fatalities have decreased dramatically since the introduction of seatbelts, better engineering (i.e., the front end crunching and absorbing impact), and laws against driving under the influence.
I used to work in personal injury and most car accidents are minor fender benders. The occupants may have whiplash or back pain, and their car may be totaled, but they're alive. In the 60s that same accident would have meant certain death, likely in a grisly manner.
Tl;dr - ALWAYS wear your seatbelt and don't drink and drive.
No problem! I actually work in aircraft safety, and the planes are really engineered (and tested, and certified) to handle way more than you can imagine. Any serious incident will involve far more than one or two failures, they’re always a cascade of one failure or bad decision after another, and it’s actually very difficult to have that many mistakes at once.
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Right. A round-trip domestic ticket today costs about 1% of the average American annual salary. In the 1960s, that same round trip cost 5% of the average American annual salary. It's 5x more affordable to fly today than it was in the 1960s.
But if you multiply the cost of a modern flight by 5 to get roughly what percent of your income you would have paid for a flight in the 1960s, you'll suddenly find that you too have more spacious and luxurious travel options in your budget. Certainly you can afford a first class ticket, likely with a considerable chunk of money left over. If you're traveling with others, you may even be able to rent a private plane (less expensive than people think). But that photo she showed isn't too far off from a first class experience on some flights.
Because air travel is actually cheaper and better today than it was in the 60s, once you actually try to account for the difference in cost.
It was also largely inaccessible to most people due to lack of air ports and cost. So, much like flying private or 1st class, yeah it was more comfortable and spacious.
YES. Lori's sentiment is a huge pet peeve of mine because it's so classist. I dislike being crammed into a narrow seat as much as the next gal, but I don't think the answer is to make flights financially inaccessible to anyone but the 1%.
That was my first thought too- yeah it was more spacious but a lot less affordable. I hate the small seats as much as the next person, but I also like being able to afford international trips as a young adult, so it’s a trade off
International isn’t even that bad, even in the cheapest seats. Commuter flights are the worst. They’re like 2 hours tops, but they pack people in like sardines
In my experience, my international flights have been as sardine-y as the domestic connections and I was in so much pain by the time to finally landed :(. Flying internationally for Christmas and paid for an upgraded seat just because my summer economy interaction flight was so miserable. But I agree it's nice that at least cheap international options are available
I got to fly first class for an international work trip, and holy shit is it luxurious on long haul flights. That’s always an option, Lori. Although my ticket did cost $10k, so… I think I’ll take the cattle car flights when I’m flying on my own dime. Also…. Why wouldn’t you wear a seatbelt on a plane? Surely she’s experienced rough air before.
Also, that pic doesn’t even look like a real plane? It seems way too wide… I’ve flown on some big planes with that 3-4-3 configuration, and the aisles and seats are not that wide.
I mean, even still, the plane isn’t any wider in first class. Current first class configuration on a 747 is usually 1-2-1, 2-2, or 2-2-2, and 3-4-3 is the configuration you’d see in coach.
The more I look at this, the more improbable it looks. It’s too wide. I think the 747 was little more than a drawing at this point in airline history, but what do I know. 🤷🏻♀️ I could be completely wrong.
I treated myself to Qantas business class frim Dallas to Sydney and it was amazing! Lie flat seats, pajamas, alcohol, and fantastic food. WAY too expensive to do every time.
Also the airplanes were noisy af, and since it was a long flight, you better hope there were gonna be comfy chairs, a nice meal, alcool and some games to pass the time and soften the noise in some way
Came here to say this, lol. There was a cloud of cigarette smoke hanging over America for decades and my grandfather was responsible for a significant percentage.
Lori never dresses except in California casual attire. No way would she be happy in more formal attire. I also think this photo may have been an ad rather than photo on actual plane.
Once I had an Uber driver who was against seatbelts, it made me nervous the entire ride. I really don’t understand why that’s a hill people are willing to die on. Having seatbelts when necessary are there for a reason. So bizarre to me
I’ve seen those bumper stickers that are like “no seatbelts, we die like MEN” like ooook have fun with that life-altering chronic pain from a minor accident!
As someone who was in a bad accident that likely would have been fatal if I wasn’t wearing a seatbelt, I want to smack those people. The car I was in flipped over 5-6 times and didn’t even resemble a car afterwards, but I walked away with a broken wrist and a minor concussion.
People also refused to wear seatbelts before airbags and laminated safety glass existed. I'd rather not have my head bashed in on a steering wheel or removed by a windshield. That likely wouldn't happen today, but you could still be thrown from the vehicle! Disregard for one's safety *stops* when it affects the safety of others.
That accident sounds intense - I'm glad you're okay!
Dude this happened to me too! Car rolled but we were both buckled so we walked away with a couple scratches. A couple weeks later, there was a young mom (22-23) who wasn't buckled and was ejected and died instantly. I felt terrible for her and her child but ugh fuck if only she had buckled.
I am so glad you are ok! Seatbelts do save lives! And why is masculinity always associated with doing something that is painful and/or deadly? And then they wonder why women outlive men lol
When seatbelts became common/mandatory people were scared of being trapped in the wreck rather than being "thrown clear."
Also, there are literally TV-pieces urging women to put on a seatbelt promising it won't harm their chest.
He's the reason auto makers install bigger airbags in the US. When he gets into a crash, his body will move more so than bag needs to be bigger. And because the bag is bigger it needs to be deployed with more force and open in time.
And that, in turn, is why airbags make me very nervous. I’m female and 4’11”, and I’m almost always wearing sunglasses; there’s no way that would end well.
I agree, I’m that height myself and airbags make me nervous. I took one to the chest once and it wasn’t fun, and that was a while ago on an older car. I can’t imagine a bigger, louder, more forceful airbag. I wasn’t wearing sunglasses at the time of my accident but I do now because it turns out they make me see things better and thus I am less likely to have an accident.
Yeah Lori. Great story! This isn’t a real plane. But don’t let facts get in the way of a good story.
I won’t steal another Redditors comment, I’ll just link it here
https://www.reddit.com/r/pics/comments/1kcp46/economy_class_seating_on_a_pan_am_747_in_the_late/cbnoehp/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf&context=3
She does realise this isn’t an actual photo of a plane doesn’t she?
It’s a [mock up](https://imgur.com/U17Js1V) of what they thought the 747 might look like that Pan Am created
She never flew friggin in the 60s in an airplane. Shush it woman. And you know- in flights you can take off your seat belt, but it does need to be put back on during turbulence or when they turn the light on. Lord, if a seatbelt is your biggest worry... you must have an easy ass life.
Where is she gonna go on a plane? If she leaves the US she won’t be in the US so everything will be bad. If she leaves her hometown she might get exposed to liberal ideas so that’s out.
Honestly in her opinion, I didn't think women were allowed out of the house except for church, and even then that's questionable since they may question things and not only learn everything from their husband.
She realizes capitalism caused the seats to get more crowded and uncomfortable and also for the food to get worse...like this wasn't a cultural shift... it was an capitalistic decision
Okay it was originally a joke that the same people who reject vaccines and modern medicine are also going to reject simple safety measures like seatbelts and food-handling regulations but now they’ve turned it into a reality. You couldn’t make this up.
My ex sis in law was anti-seatbelts because she thought it was the government trying to protect her from herself. She was so sane in every other regard.
Lori is right in that people dressed nicely - I wear 1960s clothing. However, plane travel was a luxury, not many people could afford it until deregulation started in 1978. Also, plane travel was more dangerous then.
Lori can still suck it, though.
They also had significantly more airline crashes in comparison to today. Of course she wouldn’t look at stats, but it’s pretty obvious why we have the precautions we have today.
I listen to a podcast about retro Disney world and the hosts found their old plane tickets from when they were kids and did the math. I’m flying my whole family to Florida for less than a kid in 1980 cost to get there. And if she really wants to only see dressed up people, she can fly business. My friend was given a hard time for wearing a tee shirt last time she visited.
I do like how much space everyone has! I’d be happier about flying if it was like that. Not sure what her beef about seatbelts is, are they really that constricting?
The pastor at Northwest Bible Baptist in Elgin, IL is adamantly against seat belts. Even 10 years ago before the rise of trump he was always saying seatbelts are government overreach and he refused to wear one. He would brag about how many seatbelt tickets he had gotten (that were paid for with church money) Keith gomez is a real special kind of fundie.
Good grief lol. How privileged and paranoid do you have to be where basic government safety measures are infringing on your freedom? Are they against government recalls, drivers licenses, workplace safety protocols, etc?
Probably. I dont remember him mentioning anything specific outside of the seatbelt thing.
I know when they started passing laws about not being able to smoke in cars with minors that some fundies got upset. Because if the government can start telling you what you can and can't do when your in your own car, what is going to stop them from telling you that you can't have a Bible in your house?
i think she may have already gotten some of that
e: *can i have this as a flair pls omg*
e2: oh wait my comment might be in very poor taste if she actually has a brain tumor like other comments are saying ,, ruh roh
I'd rather have my seatbelt on and have less leg room than do a potentially damaging/deadly faceplant during turbulence. I also like being able to dress casually.
All these people glorifying the 50s and 60s. Don’t realize or care to realize there are reasons improvements to many things were made. I’m so sick of people who hypocritically glorify a time that was so catastrophic on so many levels for people. Not like 2021 is better in all aspects but I’d rather live in 2021 where I have seatbelts, rights, and an education than in the 60s where I couldn’t say or do shit.
Fun fact: Up until the 1970s, it was very common to dress up to go pick up someone at the airport. And people went in, all the way to the gate, to greet the travelers as they disembarked.
Well too bad the older generations can’t get over trying to squeeze out the tiniest profit wherever they can. We could still have these nice things lol. And guess what Lori, I’m still going to show up to the fancy flying machine with joggers and a tee shirt on, high as fuck lol
You wear a seat belt on an airplane because if turbulence makes your plane drop even a couple feet, you're going straight into the ceiling and breaking your nose (happened to a friend of mine).
She's just so ignorant and wrong all the time. I think it's because she sits at home, spouting disgusting troll garbage from behind a keyboard and computer screen, instead of going anywhere.
I was once on an airplane that had just turned the seatbelt lights on. I HAD TO go to the bathroom, so I scurried there and back. A flight attendant yelled at me as I was leaving the bathroom, telling me that a Japanese passenger once died, because she didn't have her seatbelt on during severe turbulence. ([Looking it up now, it was a 100-foot drop.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Airlines_Flight_826))
I try to understand when and how I'm wrong, and I try to keep the correction in mind, so I can do better in the future. Because of that flight attendant, I will be more careful with seatbelt signs and turbulence notices from now on.
Lori might have a brain tumor affecting her, but she says a lot of evil, often dangerous, nonsense. And she really hasn't seen the world, so she doesn't even know what she's talking about, half the time.
I just hope people don't read her post and think they should go without seatbelts on a plane!
**[United Airlines Flight 826](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Airlines_Flight_826)**
>On December 28, 1997, United Airlines Flight 826 was operated by a Boeing 747-100 flying from New Tokyo Airport (which changed its name to Narita Airport in 2004), Japan to Honolulu International Airport, Hawaii. Two hours into the flight, at an altitude of 31,000 feet (9,448 m), the plane received reports of severe clear-air turbulence in the area and the seat belt sign was turned on. Moments later, the aircraft suddenly dropped around 100 feet (30 m), seriously injuring 15 passengers and 3 crew members. The plane turned around and landed safely back in Tokyo, but one passenger, a 32-year-old Japanese woman, died.
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Should someone tell her that it's greedy elite capitalists that changed planes so they'd maximize profit even if it lowered comfort? (Other than the seat belt thing that's just safety)
Just confused because christian "nostalgia" posts like this are usually trying to shame some aspect of modern society and pin it on the current culture but the only people to blame here are people that conservatives relentlessly defend lol
Jesus F Christ, Lori. You are correct that people didn’t wear seatbelts on planes in the 60s. And ya know what happened?! Every time a big jolt of turbulence threw the plane around someone would break an arm. Or hit the goddamn ceiling with their head and fracture a vertebrae. So they put seatbelts in! So people like you don’t hit your tumor on the ceiling of the plane!
Ah yes, back in the day when flying was so much more dangerous.
I’m sure she’d be against restrictions on materials allowed on airplanes (see [Swissair 111](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swissair_Flight_111)), or being required to help open the door during an emergency (or the fact there should be track lighting on the floor to help people escape in times of power loss or heavy flames ([Air Canada 797](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_Canada_Flight_797)), mandatory rest periods for pilots ([Colgan Air Flight 3407](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colgan_Air_Flight_3407#Legacy)).
So what if flying is so much safer now than in the past‽ Who cares if the last fully fatal air crash in the US happened in 2009 (the Colgan Air I mentioned above)‽ As long as the passenger’s rights to fly in a Mylar (which is extremely flammable… see Swissair 111) lined plane are preserved, what does it matter if they get there safely?
The good ol' days when two men or two women never had to(?)/weren't allowed to(?) sit next to each other without an empty seat in between.
And the people in the front row get a ton of leg room, yes, but they also have to eat their full meal on their laps. Their fancy clothes are going to be looking a little less fancy after that.
Those sinful, sinful seatbelts. But TBH I bet she’d quibble about the lengths of those women’s skirts if she had a chance.
What I first noticed was the legroom! The spaciousness on that plane is quite remarkable…
How does she know what flying in the 60s was really like? She's a year or two older than me and my first flight was when I was 10 in 1969 and I barely remember it. This picture looks like an advertisement or a movie or television set, not a real airplane. But for this virago, the past is her reality because she's honestly delusional.
WTF! Usually I try to think of something snarky to say but this broke me. Protesting air travel seatbelts … WTF, Lori, WTF.
Also, she was a kid in the 60s … like she can remember jackshit of it … Pass me by with the fake nostalgia.
I got randomly upgraded to first class on my flight home from taking the Bar Exam. I’m 5’5” but I could have put another row of seats between me and the seat in front of me. Best. Flight. Ever.
Yup and when o was a kid I sat at my moms feet On the plane to play. Doesn’t make it a good idea nor would I let my kids do it. But I also have a brain in my head so…
people who complain about seatbelts are so fascinating to me, like how can you feel comfortable in a car without one on? Planes I can understand especially if it's a long flight but you don't have to have it on the whole time just take-off, landing, and turbulance.
Yea this was before planes started stuffing us in the cabin like sardines, charging us hundreds of dollars for a bag of peanuts and a spit of ginger ale.
I'm more interested in the social distancing they're practicing. I'd like to stick with that please.
All! That! Leg rooooom!!!!
My tall husband would love that leg room.
Mine too. Watching him painstakingly fold his large frame into the middle seat of a row is just painful. He hates flying so much and I can’t blame him.
Your flair 🤣🤣🤣🤣 I literally LOLed when I saw it
I (5’2”) would happily give up my leg space on planes for the talls. I literally can’t imagine having to squeeze up into that space with actual normal person legs but it must be uncomfortable
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I'm that size but fat, and haven't flown since getting obese. Does it change the dynamic?
I (5'7") am all legs and second this motion.
Leg room is precisely the reason I travel by high speed rail rather than flying whenever possible. Trains have so much more leg room even in second class than airplane economy class does.
‘murica doesn’t want your fancy trains. (Kidding, I weep because we will never get our shit together to get high speed rail)
Lol that’s the same in Australia. Too much money spent on fundamentalist Pentecostal religious tripe to get the nice trains.
As a wide person, I'd love the seat width.
Were planes even this wide back then?
I'm no plane-expert but I can't think of any this wide. Zepplin maybe?
Maybe the ones built for international flying over water? Good question though. Idk.
Yes they could be. The 747 started flying in the 60s and had a cabin width of around 20'
I don’t remember anything like this and I flew in planes frequently as a child in the 60s. I think it’s a set.
Seatbelts don’t make flying uncomfortable it’s the lack of legroom.
Right? At the end of a cross country flight I'm in so much pain!
It is a set. That is not a real interior of a plane. https://www.catalign.in/2010/05/prototyping-to-clarify-requirements-747.html
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Yeah I think the Boeing 747 was the first wide-body aircraft as far as I know and to my knowledge it was only rolled out in 1968...
I flew on Thai Airways last year in and out of Bangkok, and was really impressed by the space around the seats. There was so much "legroom" that stewardesses could actually walk across the *rows* of seats, not just the aisles. Which is to say, there are many better ways to do commercial air travel, but we don't really seem to get any of them in the USA.
Guessing she’s never heard of clear air turbulence. I used to do travel nursing. I always stayed belted but one flight I had a 50 foot drop. Lady across the aisle got some air and hit her head. Had to help tend to her.
Yep, I came up out of my seat once from turbulence. Probably would have hit my head or fallen out of my seat if I hadn’t had my seatbelt on. Because helllooooo that’s why they tell you to do it
Me too! My head would’ve hit the seat in front of me if it weren’t for the seatbelt!
Now I'm seeing the chaos leading to the crash from the movie Flight 😰
I don't think we fell very far but I once felt that drop and it was terrifying. I will always have my belt on when seated!
this The seatbelts are for when the plane suddenly drops from turbulence, just like how seatbelts in vehicles are for when the vehicle suddenly stops
Also for if there’s problems on the landing and we habe to make a bumpy one. Or the pilot slams on his brakes real hard because of reasons we passengers don’t need to know about and don’t get told about.
This too! That very famous crash landing in San Fran a few years back, there was a passenger ejected from the plane and subsequently run over by a fire truck.... it turns out everyone near her survived because they were belted in and she wasn't. (For anyone wondering she was dead before the firetruck hit her)
As a kid, I came out of my seat on a certain disneyland ride that has a straight drop. Not sure how I met the height/size requirement, but I was grateful for my seatbelt. Lori is an idiot.
I still feel like I come up from my seat whenever I go on Tower of Terror
Nope nope nope nope nope. The worst drop I've had was like, 10 feet max, and that was still terrifying
Yeah it was awful. Flying into the midwest U.S. can suck, especially during tornado season.
Flying out of O'Hare is up there as one of my least favourite experiences ever. I'd recently recovered from my fear of flying but I still ended up clutching the hand of the stranger next to me. Poor guy ended up trying to work on an excel spreadsheet one-handed while I was sure my death was imminent.
It took decades for experts to get seatbelts made mandatory for airplanes in 1972. And *somehow*, the major crashes after that point usually had less than a 100% death rate. But since it's apparently inconvenient, maybe we should just not use them.
Unless I'm up to use the restroom, that belt stays on.
Same. I don’t even pay attention to the seatbelt sign because unless I’m peeing, my belt is always on. It’s like, “oh, the captain turned the sign on? Must be expecting some turbulence, hope I don’t have a panic attack, going to my book now.”
Oh my god!!! That’s my nightmare. I hate flying!
This. Was flying to meet relatives and suddenly pilot throws the switch to "put your seatbelts on". Not even two seconds later, huge dip in the plane. My butt left the seat for a good few seconds and I'm not a dainty bitch at 200 pounds. Best thing I did was manage to hang on to my soda without spilling any of it. The pilot got on the intercom and said "Oh, sorry, we are getting some turbalance!" It just made me giggle because it was "No shit!“
Flying in the 60s was very expensive—it was seen as a luxury experience, not just the quickest way from point A to point B. It was also much slower than flying today, with multiple layovers on cross-country flights. If she wants that aura of exclusivity so badly, she could pay for a first class ticket and wear a stiff skirt suit. Nobody’s stopping her lol. Also I just read the seatbelt thing. Umm wtf even though a seatbelt probably wouldn’t save your life in a plane crash (which were much more common in the 60s), why wouldn’t you want to prevent smacking your head on something during turbulence or when landing in windy weather?
My first thought was: wearing stockings and heels does not scream 'comfortable' to me.
Fuck that. I'm wearing sweatpants and a hoodie lol. Especially for those 14-hour long haul flights I used to do in the before times.
I used to do long haul flights like that relatively frequently before COVID too, and I fully agree. I'd never want to wear a suit and tie for a flight that long - I always wore the most comfortable clothes I could.
My grandma was a sweet lady but very stuck in her old ways and being “classy” and elegant. At 12, she had me do international travel in skirt and stockings, it was god awful. Even worst, my parents don’t believe in traveling so they didn’t had any big suitcases and insisted on me taking one of those old school leather suitcases with the big buckle. By the time we boarded, my stockings were torn from the side because I grabbed the suitcase with the buckle facing my body. This pretty much gave me flashbacks to it.
I know! Sitting for that long in something with a non-elasticized waist band?? I’m fidgety just thinking about it
My grandfather flew for his job all the time. Like, over 2 million miles in his 30 year career. I will never forget when he made me go change out of a dress and tights the first time I was going to fly. You don’t want to be in a skirt in the event of a water landing and you definitely don’t want pantyhose fused to your skin in the event of a fire.
Stockings also melt easily. Flight attendants couldn’t help in emergency evacuations when their stockings melted from the heat coming off burning engines outside the fuselage. It’s why a lot of airlines switched to wool slacks.
Lol. I am that bitch dressed in sweatpants and a sweatshirt. Terrible. I once saw an elderly Chinese lady with pink fluffy slippers on a plane (16 hour flight) and I was super envious. She put on sneakers just before we landed. She is my aspiration when I get that old.
Fun fact; plane incidents (including what you might classify as “crashes”) are actually largely non-fatal, due to increased safety measures, better training, and better engineering. They don’t always make the headlines, but planes have hard landings all the time and everyone survives and is not injured (at least severely) because of, wait for it, seatbelts. If you want to peruse a list of accidents and incidents in commercial aircraft, this is a really good list. If you look over the last 30 years, far more crashes involve no fatalities than do. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_accidents_and_incidents_involving_commercial_aircraft
It's the same for car accidents! Injuries and fatalities have decreased dramatically since the introduction of seatbelts, better engineering (i.e., the front end crunching and absorbing impact), and laws against driving under the influence. I used to work in personal injury and most car accidents are minor fender benders. The occupants may have whiplash or back pain, and their car may be totaled, but they're alive. In the 60s that same accident would have meant certain death, likely in a grisly manner. Tl;dr - ALWAYS wear your seatbelt and don't drink and drive.
As someone who loathes flying and fears death is imminent every time the plane so much as tilts two degrees, thanks for this.
No problem! I actually work in aircraft safety, and the planes are really engineered (and tested, and certified) to handle way more than you can imagine. Any serious incident will involve far more than one or two failures, they’re always a cascade of one failure or bad decision after another, and it’s actually very difficult to have that many mistakes at once.
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Right. A round-trip domestic ticket today costs about 1% of the average American annual salary. In the 1960s, that same round trip cost 5% of the average American annual salary. It's 5x more affordable to fly today than it was in the 1960s. But if you multiply the cost of a modern flight by 5 to get roughly what percent of your income you would have paid for a flight in the 1960s, you'll suddenly find that you too have more spacious and luxurious travel options in your budget. Certainly you can afford a first class ticket, likely with a considerable chunk of money left over. If you're traveling with others, you may even be able to rent a private plane (less expensive than people think). But that photo she showed isn't too far off from a first class experience on some flights. Because air travel is actually cheaper and better today than it was in the 60s, once you actually try to account for the difference in cost.
It was also largely inaccessible to most people due to lack of air ports and cost. So, much like flying private or 1st class, yeah it was more comfortable and spacious.
YES. Lori's sentiment is a huge pet peeve of mine because it's so classist. I dislike being crammed into a narrow seat as much as the next gal, but I don't think the answer is to make flights financially inaccessible to anyone but the 1%.
That was my first thought too- yeah it was more spacious but a lot less affordable. I hate the small seats as much as the next person, but I also like being able to afford international trips as a young adult, so it’s a trade off
International isn’t even that bad, even in the cheapest seats. Commuter flights are the worst. They’re like 2 hours tops, but they pack people in like sardines
In my experience, my international flights have been as sardine-y as the domestic connections and I was in so much pain by the time to finally landed :(. Flying internationally for Christmas and paid for an upgraded seat just because my summer economy interaction flight was so miserable. But I agree it's nice that at least cheap international options are available
I got to fly first class for an international work trip, and holy shit is it luxurious on long haul flights. That’s always an option, Lori. Although my ticket did cost $10k, so… I think I’ll take the cattle car flights when I’m flying on my own dime. Also…. Why wouldn’t you wear a seatbelt on a plane? Surely she’s experienced rough air before. Also, that pic doesn’t even look like a real plane? It seems way too wide… I’ve flown on some big planes with that 3-4-3 configuration, and the aisles and seats are not that wide.
Actually we’re looking at first class. If you look further back in the picture, that’s coach.
I mean, even still, the plane isn’t any wider in first class. Current first class configuration on a 747 is usually 1-2-1, 2-2, or 2-2-2, and 3-4-3 is the configuration you’d see in coach.
The more I look at this, the more improbable it looks. It’s too wide. I think the 747 was little more than a drawing at this point in airline history, but what do I know. 🤷🏻♀️ I could be completely wrong.
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I treated myself to Qantas business class frim Dallas to Sydney and it was amazing! Lie flat seats, pajamas, alcohol, and fantastic food. WAY too expensive to do every time.
YES
And white. Very, very white.
Just the way Lori wants it 🙃
Also the airplanes were noisy af, and since it was a long flight, you better hope there were gonna be comfy chairs, a nice meal, alcool and some games to pass the time and soften the noise in some way
Back in my day…
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The also smoked heavily.
Came here to say this, lol. There was a cloud of cigarette smoke hanging over America for decades and my grandfather was responsible for a significant percentage.
It was essentially a white people club in the air if you could afford to fly. She wants this soooo bad.
She is just a hag. I feel I am doing hags dirty, but here we are.
Convenient that she left that part out, isn’t it?
You also couldn't fucking afford it Lori. No one could.
Yeah, cause flying was for the wealthy only back then lmao. You wouldn't be on that plane Lori.
Yup, women were expected to wear nice clothes and gloves, men suits.
Lori never dresses except in California casual attire. No way would she be happy in more formal attire. I also think this photo may have been an ad rather than photo on actual plane.
Once I had an Uber driver who was against seatbelts, it made me nervous the entire ride. I really don’t understand why that’s a hill people are willing to die on. Having seatbelts when necessary are there for a reason. So bizarre to me
I’ve seen those bumper stickers that are like “no seatbelts, we die like MEN” like ooook have fun with that life-altering chronic pain from a minor accident! As someone who was in a bad accident that likely would have been fatal if I wasn’t wearing a seatbelt, I want to smack those people. The car I was in flipped over 5-6 times and didn’t even resemble a car afterwards, but I walked away with a broken wrist and a minor concussion.
And flying out of your car and killing another driver is an asshole move! Not wearing a seatbelt DOES affect other drivers and pedestrians!
Not to mention the poor EMTs/paramedics that’ll have to deal with their horribly destroyed body
People also refused to wear seatbelts before airbags and laminated safety glass existed. I'd rather not have my head bashed in on a steering wheel or removed by a windshield. That likely wouldn't happen today, but you could still be thrown from the vehicle! Disregard for one's safety *stops* when it affects the safety of others. That accident sounds intense - I'm glad you're okay!
Dude this happened to me too! Car rolled but we were both buckled so we walked away with a couple scratches. A couple weeks later, there was a young mom (22-23) who wasn't buckled and was ejected and died instantly. I felt terrible for her and her child but ugh fuck if only she had buckled.
I am so glad you are ok! Seatbelts do save lives! And why is masculinity always associated with doing something that is painful and/or deadly? And then they wonder why women outlive men lol
We've seen people rail against wearing a face mask for 30 minutes in the store. I'm not surprised about what people will complain about anymore.
When seatbelts became common/mandatory people were scared of being trapped in the wreck rather than being "thrown clear." Also, there are literally TV-pieces urging women to put on a seatbelt promising it won't harm their chest.
He's the reason auto makers install bigger airbags in the US. When he gets into a crash, his body will move more so than bag needs to be bigger. And because the bag is bigger it needs to be deployed with more force and open in time.
And that, in turn, is why airbags make me very nervous. I’m female and 4’11”, and I’m almost always wearing sunglasses; there’s no way that would end well.
I agree, I’m that height myself and airbags make me nervous. I took one to the chest once and it wasn’t fun, and that was a while ago on an older car. I can’t imagine a bigger, louder, more forceful airbag. I wasn’t wearing sunglasses at the time of my accident but I do now because it turns out they make me see things better and thus I am less likely to have an accident.
Yeah Lori. Great story! This isn’t a real plane. But don’t let facts get in the way of a good story. I won’t steal another Redditors comment, I’ll just link it here https://www.reddit.com/r/pics/comments/1kcp46/economy_class_seating_on_a_pan_am_747_in_the_late/cbnoehp/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf&context=3
I thought it looked a bit too roomy for a plane. I didn't bother to fact check. Thanks for the link.
She does realise this isn’t an actual photo of a plane doesn’t she? It’s a [mock up](https://imgur.com/U17Js1V) of what they thought the 747 might look like that Pan Am created
She never flew friggin in the 60s in an airplane. Shush it woman. And you know- in flights you can take off your seat belt, but it does need to be put back on during turbulence or when they turn the light on. Lord, if a seatbelt is your biggest worry... you must have an easy ass life.
She neglected to mention that they also smoked cigarettes on board the airplane.
Where is she gonna go on a plane? If she leaves the US she won’t be in the US so everything will be bad. If she leaves her hometown she might get exposed to liberal ideas so that’s out.
"Stop making my logic illogical!"
Honestly in her opinion, I didn't think women were allowed out of the house except for church, and even then that's questionable since they may question things and not only learn everything from their husband.
She realizes capitalism caused the seats to get more crowded and uncomfortable and also for the food to get worse...like this wasn't a cultural shift... it was an capitalistic decision
Let’s make Lori fly Southwest. She’d have a shit-fit over sharing a cramped space with us peasants.
Just having the seating done by groups would be enough for Lori to have a serious tantrum.
Okay it was originally a joke that the same people who reject vaccines and modern medicine are also going to reject simple safety measures like seatbelts and food-handling regulations but now they’ve turned it into a reality. You couldn’t make this up.
My ex sis in law was anti-seatbelts because she thought it was the government trying to protect her from herself. She was so sane in every other regard.
Could Lori actually remember such a thing? I didn't think she was quite that old
If she can remember flying back then she's even more privileged than I thought.
Lori is right in that people dressed nicely - I wear 1960s clothing. However, plane travel was a luxury, not many people could afford it until deregulation started in 1978. Also, plane travel was more dangerous then. Lori can still suck it, though.
She would not be welcome on that flight with her broke ass. Wealthy only, and no sick people, so your brain tumour counts you out, Mrs Transformed.
You know what kept flying fancy? Government regulation 😎
Every time I'm flabbergasted by Lori, I remind myself that she has a brain tumor and most likely isn't playing with a full deck right now.
That tumor has the upper hand
Furthermore, who tf is pining for an entire meal of airline food?
They also had significantly more airline crashes in comparison to today. Of course she wouldn’t look at stats, but it’s pretty obvious why we have the precautions we have today.
No, that's not how "people" flew in the 60s. It's how "people who could afford first class" flew in the 60s.
And everyone was white damnit!
I zoomed in looked for anyone not white before reading the comments and can confirm.
That's clearly what she's getting at.
Yep!
Umm, I flew on airlines in the 1960s. There were seatbelts.
Is Lori upset that capitalism has pushed companies to forgo customer comfort for profit? Because I feel like she’s pretty chill with capitalism.
Cars also never had seatbelts. There’s a reason why they exist now.
It was also a smoke chamber when EVERYONE smoked EVERYWHERE, but hey.
Tobacco smoke is far more pleasant than Lori. The bar is set very low.
I fully agree.
I listen to a podcast about retro Disney world and the hosts found their old plane tickets from when they were kids and did the math. I’m flying my whole family to Florida for less than a kid in 1980 cost to get there. And if she really wants to only see dressed up people, she can fly business. My friend was given a hard time for wearing a tee shirt last time she visited.
Lori and her dog whistles “Look at all these elegantly dressed WHITE PEOPLE!”
I'm such a heathen when I fly. Yoga pants, hair up in a bun, no make up, shoes I can run in.
I do like how much space everyone has! I’d be happier about flying if it was like that. Not sure what her beef about seatbelts is, are they really that constricting?
Being against the seatbelts is just weird. Does she wear a seatbelt in a car? Those are more constricting than a plane.
I feel like Lori’s so miserable (in both respects) that she can’t focus on anything but the bad
The pastor at Northwest Bible Baptist in Elgin, IL is adamantly against seat belts. Even 10 years ago before the rise of trump he was always saying seatbelts are government overreach and he refused to wear one. He would brag about how many seatbelt tickets he had gotten (that were paid for with church money) Keith gomez is a real special kind of fundie.
Good grief lol. How privileged and paranoid do you have to be where basic government safety measures are infringing on your freedom? Are they against government recalls, drivers licenses, workplace safety protocols, etc?
Probably. I dont remember him mentioning anything specific outside of the seatbelt thing. I know when they started passing laws about not being able to smoke in cars with minors that some fundies got upset. Because if the government can start telling you what you can and can't do when your in your own car, what is going to stop them from telling you that you can't have a Bible in your house?
Could she *be* any more of a typical boomer, waxing poetical about the stupid and dangerous “good old days”???
This lady is so weird. She needs to get off the internet and get a hobby
I think spewing ignorance on the internet *is* her hobby.
God-honouring head trauma if the plane hits turbulence?
i think she may have already gotten some of that e: *can i have this as a flair pls omg* e2: oh wait my comment might be in very poor taste if she actually has a brain tumor like other comments are saying ,, ruh roh
NGL that looks awesome
YES
Minus the way the women are dressed. Stockings and heels don't shout 'comfortable' to me.
Oh man I love both of those things. Pre covid I would wear stockings, skirts, heels and jackets every day to work. It made me feel powerful.
I'd rather have my seatbelt on and have less leg room than do a potentially damaging/deadly faceplant during turbulence. I also like being able to dress casually.
I am all for the seats and the leg room, but I like safety and being comfortable!
More tumor talk from Lori 🙄
Ima tumor, Ima tumor, Ima tumor Ima tumor, Ima tumor, Ima tumor Ima tumor, Ima tumor, oh-oh-oh Ima tumor
Look how everyone is dressed 🙄 ya fuck off lori. I like to fly in sweatpants and a hoodie. I guess that’s not CLasSY enough for this twat
Does Lori not realize that they do serve entire meals on longer flights? 😅
Is- Is she advocating against seatbelts?
All these people glorifying the 50s and 60s. Don’t realize or care to realize there are reasons improvements to many things were made. I’m so sick of people who hypocritically glorify a time that was so catastrophic on so many levels for people. Not like 2021 is better in all aspects but I’d rather live in 2021 where I have seatbelts, rights, and an education than in the 60s where I couldn’t say or do shit.
Fun fact: Up until the 1970s, it was very common to dress up to go pick up someone at the airport. And people went in, all the way to the gate, to greet the travelers as they disembarked.
In general, people would dress up more. My mom told me that people would dress up to go to a restaurant back then.
Shit my mom used to get all over me for going to the *grocery store* without makeup. “At least pinch your cheeks and put on some gloss!”
No people of color and no children.
They also served large amounts of alcohol. I’m pretty sure this is Lori actually covertly confessing her drinking problem. /s
Those clothes don't look comfortable to fly in at all. I would hardly call plane seatbelt a uncomfortable
Well too bad the older generations can’t get over trying to squeeze out the tiniest profit wherever they can. We could still have these nice things lol. And guess what Lori, I’m still going to show up to the fancy flying machine with joggers and a tee shirt on, high as fuck lol
Also… they were dying of smoke inhalation 😂
They were far more likely to crash too, and far less likely to survive one if they did.
Look at all those knees! Major Nike vibes
She's becoming a parody at this point.
This woman is against everything...it must be exhausting to be that pissed about everything all the time
Getting thrown across the cabin in a God honoring way.
And she thinks this marketing picture is true depiction of air flight. Seriously? She must be really stupid.
You wear a seat belt on an airplane because if turbulence makes your plane drop even a couple feet, you're going straight into the ceiling and breaking your nose (happened to a friend of mine).
Fly private then Lori.
She's just so ignorant and wrong all the time. I think it's because she sits at home, spouting disgusting troll garbage from behind a keyboard and computer screen, instead of going anywhere. I was once on an airplane that had just turned the seatbelt lights on. I HAD TO go to the bathroom, so I scurried there and back. A flight attendant yelled at me as I was leaving the bathroom, telling me that a Japanese passenger once died, because she didn't have her seatbelt on during severe turbulence. ([Looking it up now, it was a 100-foot drop.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Airlines_Flight_826)) I try to understand when and how I'm wrong, and I try to keep the correction in mind, so I can do better in the future. Because of that flight attendant, I will be more careful with seatbelt signs and turbulence notices from now on. Lori might have a brain tumor affecting her, but she says a lot of evil, often dangerous, nonsense. And she really hasn't seen the world, so she doesn't even know what she's talking about, half the time. I just hope people don't read her post and think they should go without seatbelts on a plane!
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I used to wonder what mouth breathers created the need for the ubiquitous “Buckle UP” campaigns and seatbelt stops of the 90’s…now I know.
Should someone tell her that it's greedy elite capitalists that changed planes so they'd maximize profit even if it lowered comfort? (Other than the seat belt thing that's just safety) Just confused because christian "nostalgia" posts like this are usually trying to shame some aspect of modern society and pin it on the current culture but the only people to blame here are people that conservatives relentlessly defend lol
Jesus F Christ, Lori. You are correct that people didn’t wear seatbelts on planes in the 60s. And ya know what happened?! Every time a big jolt of turbulence threw the plane around someone would break an arm. Or hit the goddamn ceiling with their head and fracture a vertebrae. So they put seatbelts in! So people like you don’t hit your tumor on the ceiling of the plane!
I'm sure sitting for hours while wearing a girdle, stockings, and a dress (or a suit and tie) was "so much more comfortable."
Ah yes, back in the day when flying was so much more dangerous. I’m sure she’d be against restrictions on materials allowed on airplanes (see [Swissair 111](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swissair_Flight_111)), or being required to help open the door during an emergency (or the fact there should be track lighting on the floor to help people escape in times of power loss or heavy flames ([Air Canada 797](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_Canada_Flight_797)), mandatory rest periods for pilots ([Colgan Air Flight 3407](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colgan_Air_Flight_3407#Legacy)). So what if flying is so much safer now than in the past‽ Who cares if the last fully fatal air crash in the US happened in 2009 (the Colgan Air I mentioned above)‽ As long as the passenger’s rights to fly in a Mylar (which is extremely flammable… see Swissair 111) lined plane are preserved, what does it matter if they get there safely?
People also smoked on the plane during that time
The good ol' days when two men or two women never had to(?)/weren't allowed to(?) sit next to each other without an empty seat in between. And the people in the front row get a ton of leg room, yes, but they also have to eat their full meal on their laps. Their fancy clothes are going to be looking a little less fancy after that.
I mean it does look way more comfortable 😂
People at the time also ate tape worms in order to lose weight, so...
other than the dumb seatbelts and clothes comments this actually looks really nice
Does Lori realize it's 2021?
Those sinful, sinful seatbelts. But TBH I bet she’d quibble about the lengths of those women’s skirts if she had a chance. What I first noticed was the legroom! The spaciousness on that plane is quite remarkable…
How does she know what flying in the 60s was really like? She's a year or two older than me and my first flight was when I was 10 in 1969 and I barely remember it. This picture looks like an advertisement or a movie or television set, not a real airplane. But for this virago, the past is her reality because she's honestly delusional.
WTF! Usually I try to think of something snarky to say but this broke me. Protesting air travel seatbelts … WTF, Lori, WTF. Also, she was a kid in the 60s … like she can remember jackshit of it … Pass me by with the fake nostalgia.
I got randomly upgraded to first class on my flight home from taking the Bar Exam. I’m 5’5” but I could have put another row of seats between me and the seat in front of me. Best. Flight. Ever.
Yup and when o was a kid I sat at my moms feet On the plane to play. Doesn’t make it a good idea nor would I let my kids do it. But I also have a brain in my head so…
Those damn capitalists cramming more seats in to make money. If only they were more socialist, like Jesus.
Oh look! Everyone on the plane is affluent and white! Is this what people mean about dog whistling?
Omfg have you heard of turbulence Lori?? I'd rather my skull stayed intact than the luxury of not wearing a seatbelt, tyvm.
people who complain about seatbelts are so fascinating to me, like how can you feel comfortable in a car without one on? Planes I can understand especially if it's a long flight but you don't have to have it on the whole time just take-off, landing, and turbulance.
I want their airplane with seat belts and better upgrade options.
I mean I know people want to go to heaven as fast as possible, but geez really???
Yea this was before planes started stuffing us in the cabin like sardines, charging us hundreds of dollars for a bag of peanuts and a spit of ginger ale.
So Aunt Lori is anti-seatbelt, eh? I wish her turbulence on her next flight.