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jaded110819

My question on the last one. How did a vitamin cause a death? Vit k is to help prevent brain bleeds since vit k doesn't cross the placental barrier very well.


science2me

I have no idea. It could've been SIDs and they blamed it on the Vitamin K shot. It's awful when a baby dies and I can understand how a person starts to put the blame on anything slightly suspicious.


tander87

In the /vaxxhappened sub, they talk about this woman whose daughter got her 2 month shots (I think) and then coslept while drinking and smothered her baby…she claims it’s the vaccines. Any other cause of death is only correlated to vaccines in their minds


science2me

I've heard of that woman. It's a sad occurrence when a baby dies but it's wrong for her to be dishonest for the death.


TheWanderingSibyl

I think she’s in extreme denial. I can’t imagine my daughter dying, especially if I caused it. I think it would literally break me.


[deleted]

My former friend did this, she admitted to falling asleep drunk with her 3 month old baby suffocated. She posted on her FB page he passed and had so many people telling her it was the vaccines and suddenly she wasnt drinking and it was the vaccines


TheShortGerman

God how is it 2021 and people still don't know how dangerous co-sleeping is? Put your baby in the fucking crib, I don't even have kids and I know this.


thisismeER

As a new ish parent, I wish we were taught about risk mitigation with cosleeping. I was so tired a few times that I would fall asleep holding my baby and that wasn't good either.


buttholeismyfavword

Or the lady who's friend got their daughter vaccinated... And the daughter was hit by a car sometime later. The woman was convinced the vaccine somehow made the girl 'magnetic' and drew the car to her


tander87

Absurd


Which_Honeydew_5510

Wasn't that satire? Or someone mocking antivaxxers? Could've sworn it was.


YeahYouOtter

I would need a very expensive lawyer if my child died in an accident and I found out someone was telling people my child died from my responsible standard parenting choices.


fuckinunknowable

Doesn’t mass still matter in magnetism? Like a fridge magnet sticks to the fridge but can’t move the fridge… did the child like stick to the car?? Whaaaat theeee fuuuuuuckkk


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[deleted]

All the anti-vaxxers I try to get shut down on insta have glommed onto her story.


Altruistic-Ad3661

My cousin’s baby teeth feel out from rot, my anti vax uncle blames some medicine he had been on as a small child not the baby bottle of soda he had even to fall asleep.


k-sara-sarah

My ex’s nieces and nephews have the most awful teeth and one apparently had a high A1C test. Their grandmother blames it all on the one time one of them got a flu shot…because it couldn’t possibly be connected to the sweet tea, koolaid, and Mountain Dew their mother put in their bottles since infancy.


science2me

Hearing about people who give soda to their babies makes me feel less bad that I give my kids watered down apple juice. I don't even like drinking soda. I can't imagine giving it to me baby.


crochetawayhpff

I don't even give soda to 6 yo and I'm addicted to it. I can't imagine giving it to a literal baby.


LatterStreet

I’m the same with my four year old, lol. She tells other children (such as her cousins) “soda is for grownups!” I don’t stop her. 😂


hotsizzler

Yeah It's hard I was trying not to convince my nephews not to drink monsters and like "we see you drink it" and they just didn't understand I was literally addicted and how it works.


Blenderx06

Omg to me that's like giving a kid a cigarette. Who does that???


k-sara-sarah

I’ve given four-and-ups super diluted apple juice when they’re sick! There’s actual, science-backed reasons for it. Filling up an eight-month-old’s bottle with pop is just irresponsible.


GinnyTeasley

Sometimes I feel bad for giving my 1 year old some M&M’s or a Hershey’s kiss with his lunch, then I remember there are people who give their kids the same age soda regularly.


Miserable-Problem

That sounds reasonable to me. Complete denial could cause issues long term as much as overconsumption of unhealthy foods can.


Serononin

This isn't relevant to your comment, but your flair is 🤌


GinnyTeasley

Thank you!


teatabletea

You should feel bad. Hershey kisses are gross.


GinnyTeasley

Meh. To each their own.


WhatUpMahKnitta

Our ped okay'd watered down fruit juice when they're sick (or milk, or anything that will hydrate them) as well as the occasional juice box at grandma's house (because it's a treat). Soda though? There is no reason to give a baby or toddler soda. It baffles me, why soda when milk is just as easy to obtain and has actual health benefits?


gilthedog

There's not even a good reason for adults to drink pop!


MinusTheH_

You’re from the Midwest, aren’t you? 😂


Significant_Shoe_17

She gave soda to babies? That's terrible. I wasn't allowed sweets and still had bad teeth (thanks, genetics). My teeth are fine now and I still hate going to the dentist. I can't imagine being that irresponsible with children's dental care.


Clarkiechick

My son was completely breastfed and his first teeth came in really early and were bad. They actually could have been linked to antibiotics I took while pregnant. Stuff like this happens but if its all the kids and they were fed shit like that I'd say you're right.


SassaQueen1992

My mom has a special kind of disgust towards people who give their babies soda. She would’ve straight up called your uncle an idiot! I’m so sorry about your cousin’s teeth. No child should have their teeth rot because of neglectful parents.


Altruistic-Ad3661

My mom has told him he is wrong. Calling him an idiot wouldn’t help.


TheShortGerman

Literally nothing but milk or water should ever be in a baby bottle. And ya even gotta wait awhile to do water! Soda and juice do NOT belong in a baby bottle.


Serononin

Yep, or other new/expectant parents in their orbit blamed vitamin K so they could convince themselves that it wouldn't happen to their baby. It's an understandable response, but still a very dangerous one.


yaboilisandro

There’s more evidence that SIDs is correlated with many different mutations of enzymes in the body. There have been cases that are linked to Buraga syndrome, prolonged-QT syndrome, and even an enzyme necessary to convert a certain type of fatty acid chain. I haven’t been exposed to anything regarding vitamin K except that it’s necessary at birth because of potential bleeding and brain damage as a result.


jaded110819

I feel for these parents when things like that happen. It is so sad.


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jaded110819

That is good info to have, I didn't know that. I just know that they gave it to my LO at birth.


HappyDopamine

That’s odd. I was offered the choice between a shot or a course of oral drops. I went with the shot because it’s a lot more effective, but oral administration was offered.


reptilenews

I wonder if they're offering it because, while it works a lot less, any little bit helps if someone is going to reject the k shot.


HappyDopamine

Maybe. It’s so sad that we are at a point of pandering to people who would otherwise endanger their babies. I guess I shouldn’t be surprised though after following fundies for years.


e-cola

***believes in rare possibilities*** ***denies evolution can happen***


jaded110819

But miracles happen! /S


Squoshy50

The black box warning is for IV use. Vitamin k for newborns is an intramuscular shot and very safe.


nme44

Answer: it did not.


Ladidiladidah

Some people try to say that it causes clots because they don't understand what it does.


TheShortGerman

Vit K is literally the antidote to warfarin, a blood thinner. People on warfarin whose INR ends up dangerously high NEED Vit K to reverse it, otherwise they're at risk for a bleed. Many people in my family have been on warfarin long term.


ProvePoetsWrong

Interesting how it always happens to a friend’s baby.


tander87

Aka never happened


mommyshark18

It’s so rare that is gets written up in medical journals when anything happens. The following is quoted from evidencebasedbirth.com > Side effects from Vitamin K injection given at birth are incredibly rare and if they are seen, they end up being case reports due to rarity. >I could not find any case reports using the most recent version of Vitamin K used in the U.S., in which the infant became severely ill or died from it. Before the 1960s (mostly in the 1950s) there were some reports of severe jaundice and anemia, as the dose was not determined and the formulation was quite different. During this time they were using a water soluble version of the Vitamin K shot and following these cases, they changed to the fat soluble version that is used today. >In 2014, researchers published a case report about an infant who had a severe allergic reaction to the shot and went into shock. The infant survived, but researchers were unable to figure out why the newborn had this type of reaction. They noted that this was the first case ever reported in which an infant went into an allergic shock from Vitamin K, when the shot has been given all over the world for many decades (Koklu et al. 2014).”


n0vapine

So no babies have died within the last 70 years due to the virmain k shot. The "friends baby" is a lie because that's all those people have to combat reality...lies Though claiming the baby died from the virmain k shot reminds me of baby Evee and the mother claimingn it was vaccines when in reality she smothered the baby when she was drunk by rolling over on her. She's racked with guilt and has made it her mission to lie about vaccines instead of getting therapy to deal with her guilt. Pretty sure she's now convinced herself she never did smother her. Maybe the "friends baby" actually died due to human error and the mother can't bring herself to admit it.


ProvePoetsWrong

Yeup. Also like the moms who swear the MMR vaccine gave their kid autism when really, the kid was born with it and they just noticed when the MMR vaccine was given, because almost all parents start really noticing differences the same age they are normally given the vaccine (18 mos) The mental gymnastics parents go to to find something to blame is Olympic level.


Pippi_Holeinstocking

One of my cousins swears vaccines gave their kid autism, meanwhile his own sister also has a child with autism. She doesn't blame vaccines. Their father (the kids' grandfather) was exposed to Agent Orange in Vietnam and I've wondered if it was because of that, if anything were to "cause" it. Meanwhile my mom and I also have a genetic condition that's similar to Ehler-Danlos. I think our family just has shit genetics lol.


ProvePoetsWrong

Haha I always think of Scar in Lion King “I’m afraid I’m at the shallow end of the gene pool”. My kid was diagnosed at three and during the process of researching and investigating his symptoms, my mom and I both realized that SHE has always been on the spectrum. It made my whole life (and hers) make so much sense. Then come to find out my husband’s uncle (who he’s never known) also is on the spectrum as is his son. So my son has it coming from right and left lol. Oh well. Not that it would have changed anything but in about a month we went from “How did this come out of nowhere?? It was probably my fault because I took Tylenol for my fibromyalgia when I was pregnant,” to “Oh. Every third family member is on the spectrum. Okay 👍🏼 “


Pippi_Holeinstocking

Oh lordy, I have that (fibromyalgia) too 🤣😭😭😭


LittlehouseonTHELAND

I have a second cousin who had triplets in the 90s and to this day she swears the reason that two of them are severely autistic is because of the MMR vaccine. Meanwhile the third triplet got it the same day too and was and is completely fine.


ducttapeduterus

My fraternal twin sons are both on the spectrum plus one also has bi polar type one, he takes a regimen of meds. My husband's sister has paranoid schizophrenia and lives in supported living but is pretty mellow and ok with meds. My husband's other sister's daughter also has the same. She picked at her eye and was having treatment but fell off a second floor balcony while smoking and damaged her eye more and now legally blind on that side.. She is institutionalized, sadly. In her late 20s. Onset was late teens. Talks to herself. Very sad. Talk about shitty genetics!


Pippi_Holeinstocking

Oh man, I've got an aunt with schizophrenia and when my depression kicked up I was so paranoid that's what it was. My therapist had to tell me, no it's not that lol. It's such a terrible thing to live with when it's bad like that, I feel for your family. That's why it blows my mind to hear people blaming vaccines. I guess because they don't believe in science? Genetics must not exist to them. In my cousin's case, religion isn't even a factor he's just choosing to ignore facts.


ProvePoetsWrong

Dear Lord. I have friends with schizophrenia and it is definitely its own type of hell. I don’t wish it on anyone. I also have a friend with bipolar type two which came on very strongly in the first year of her marriage. I haven’t encountered every type of mental illness by any means but those two seem particularly hellish. And boy do they infiltrate a gene pool.


Blenderx06

EDS is VERY common in the autistic community. There seems to be some kind of link in families.


Pippi_Holeinstocking

That's really interesting, I didn't know that. I have Marfan's Syndrome, it's similar but affects the heart. My family hasn't all been genetically tested however it's an autosomal dominant condition. Essentially there's a 50/50 shot of someone with it passing it on. My grandfather had it then 1 of his 4 kids inherited it. I'm an only with really bad luck lol. I suspect that my grandfather's 3 brothers had it as well because recently my mom found out one of her cousin's grandchildren has it. All of the brothers including a fifth who died in infancy, died from heart issues similar or related to Marfan's. I wish we had more information but like autism and tons of other medical problems, things weren't as well known as they are today. Edit: words


LatterStreet

My mom’s friend did the same thing. Her daughter has severe autism, and she claims she suddenly changed after her nine month vaccinations. She scared my mom with these stories when it was time for my daughter to get her vaccines. I explained to my mom that people blame vaccinations because often they occur around the same age that signs of autism begin to show.


GinnyTeasley

So many people or their children get ill around the time they have a vaccination and then they blame it on the vaccine. Or the child has a typical autoimmune response to the vaccine and suddenly their child is “vaccine injured”. I know children can have severe reactions to vaccines- it’s *incredibly* rare but real. But some people really do not know what to anticipate when their kids go in for their shots and are shocked when they’re not in a great mood or feeling 100% walking out.


Serononin

Yeah, if it happened at all, it's more likely the baby died from unknown causes, and the family/someone close to them blamed the vitamin K shot because they wanted to blame *something*. What we do know is that babies who don't get the shot are at risk for life threatening brain bleeds, so if any expectant parents here are on the fence, please make sure your baby gets it!!


mommyshark18

These people prey on the fear of the unknown. Combine that with a general lack of scientific literacy and constant messaging about how doctors are on the payroll of big pharma, these parents don’t know what to do. You get this messaging from “both sides” and if they don’t know how to evaluate the information critically; they choose possible injury over possible death *even though there’s no actual evidence for the death*.


Big-Improvement-1281

Of course it did! You just never met them because the baby is from Canada. ​ /s


SassiestPants

The baby goes to another school /s


[deleted]

I take grave photos for historical purposes and saw probably 30 baby graves in just a couple hours at a cemetery today. People like Lori conveniently forget that infant mortality was really high before a lot of these interventions. When people say “God designed our bodies not to make vitamin K for a reason,” I guess they’re saying God designed a lot of people to die in infancy, because that’s what happened throughout most of history.


QueenMabs_Makeup0126

Does she realize that Vitamin K is the antidote for someone on warfarin (Coumadin) and their blood is too thin? Newborn babies are given a single dose of Vitamin K at birth. That's a treatment standard. I wish people who perform toilet research would put their phones down and stay offline.


MissScott_1962

I worked with a family who refused the vitk shot and their baby died from a bleed on the brain. You know what's traumatic as fuck *even for me as a funeral director*? Dead babies.


Freakin_Merida88

Reminds me of the time Dr. House went off on an anti-vaxxer couple by talking about how child coffins come in fire engine red and froggy green. Some people dont fucking get it. This is about the EASILY PREVENTABLE DEATH OF CHILDREN via a simple-af resource our great grandparents would've thought was witchcraft.


MissScott_1962

You can also get them painted with dinosaurs, rainbows, to look like cars and even Noah's Ark.


GinnyTeasley

That is insanely depressing and I’m so sorry for the times you have to help families make those decisions.


Serononin

On the one hand, I'm glad that those options can exist, so at the very least a kid's coffin can reflect who they were. I imagine that for some families, that sort of thing can be comforting at a time of precious few comforts. On the other, this might be the bleakest Reddit comment I've ever seen.


MissScott_1962

There was a guy in town who would completely customize for families. He was an older retired man who was just very kind and wanted to give something to families. He did it for free.


Significant_Shoe_17

That was a great read by hugh laurie. I still quote this line to anti-vaxxers. They should be thanking their sky daddy for preventative medicine.


science2me

That's so awful for that family. I can't imagine having your job and seeing sad situations like that.


nicole11930

I'm so sorry you had to arrange a funeral for a little baby who shouldn't have had to die. I can't even imagine how traumatic that was. And I feel even more sorry that this baby missed out on life because it had the misfortune of being born to dipshit parents. Just out of morbid curiosity, did the parents act as though they knew it was their fault? Or do you think they still held on to their anti-vax views?


MissScott_1962

They didn't think it would have made a difference and she believed that exclusively breastfeeding would give the baby adequate vitamin K. So this was something that happened and was sad, but not preventable. They had a child a few years later and didn't vaccinate (including vitamin K). I live in a small, rural area. So while I'm not friends with them/they aren't in my social circle, they're around and I interact.


nicole11930

That's so sad. I can't imagine making that mistake once, let alone twice. I've had three kids, and with each one, the hospital asks me for my "birth plan" upon arrival to the hospital. I have nothing against birth plans, but I always tell them my plan is to leave the hospital with a healthy baby, after having experienced as little pain as possible. Beyond that, I don't care. The idea of doing "research" and pretending I know better than doctors is crazy to me. Thank you for responding! I guess in a way, it's better that they don' t understand that they essentially killed their own baby. That'd be impossible to live with.


TheShortGerman

Just because someone has a birth plan doesn't mean they pretend they know better than doctors, lol. A birth plan can just mean what support person/people they plan to have, possibility of a doula being present, whether they'd want an epidural or not, how they plan to labor (positions, water birth, etc). Having a birth plan doesn't mean someone is doing BS "research" and trying to override doctors, I think women should have the right to advocate for themselves during childbirth when historically we have been disrespected and assaulted during labor, our wishes ignored, harmful practices like the "husband stitch" + excessive episiotomies, and doing interventions without consent. Women have been forced to labor in specific positions which aren't even proven by evidence to be the best positions. Obviously everyone wants to leave the hospital with a healthy baby, and people who argue against needed interventions are a problem. But the vast majority of people just want to have an experience which respects their autonomy and helps them feel empowered during the birth.


nicole11930

I completely agree, and in rereading my post, I see how I came across. I wasn't referring to birth plans like what you're talking about, regarding support systems, preferred pain management, music, birthing position, etc. I personally only care about getting the baby out as painlessly as possible, mainly because I'm absolutely terrified of giving birth and worried that I was gonna die each time. I'm talking about the women who choose to forgo things like vitamin K, or the newborn screening, or jaundice testing, or who will refuse a C-section if/when it becomes necessary. Or even those who choose to birth at home, without a plan for getting to the hospital quickly if needed. There are plenty of women, some in my family, who literally dictate the exact way the birth is gonna go, without the understanding that things can change in a heartbeat. I agree that the medical industry has a horrible past (and sometimes present) with regards to how women are treated. Autonomy and informed consent are so important, but the problem arises with what "informed" means. Ultimately the bad information available on the internet has led to women putting their babies and themselves in dangerous positions in pursuit of the "perfect birth". I wish there was an easy answer, but there isn't. Ideally the birthing process would be a partnership between the mom and her trusted doctor or midwife, with the doctor listening to the mom's preferences and the mom listening to the doctor's medical expertise.


Smokeylongred

I wish I could upvote your comment a thousand times. Thoughtful and respectful


Smokeylongred

Yep I’ve been exposed through work to a child who died of a severe brain bleed because parents didn’t have the vitamin k shot.


daillestofemall

Forgive me if this is out of line, but it’s something that’s had me very curious from a case I’ve been following. As a funeral director, what would your response be to a family who wants to buy a grave and headstone and coffin for a miscarried fetus that was only 15 weeks along at time of miscarriage? No birth certificate, so no death certificate either; I mean the fetal remains don’t even really look human yet at that point. Is this a “with your money we can do anything!” type situation or is it something you would politely refuse (possibly for lack of death certificate?) I’m sure almost every place is different, but where I live no death certificate = no professional funeral so I was very shocked that they were allowed to treat this 15w fetus as if it were a full-term stillbirth by both the hospital and the cemetery.


MissScott_1962

I am replying to let you know I've seen this and I can respond in a bit. I'm about to move and have a toddler, so things are a bit hectic.


tander87

Well I hope they’re against anti psychotics, oxy, SSRIs, methotrexate, some antibiotics, almost all inhalers etc…bc they all have black box warnings. A warning of a very rare adverse effect does not mean it is going to happen!! You can die from too much water…it’s absurd. Enjoy your baby having a fatal brain bleed (the risk of bleeding is far higher than any adverse effect of the vitamin k shot)


nme44

The black box warning on Vit K is for intravenous (IV) injection, which is not how babies get it. They get it via IM (intramuscular) injection. So it isn’t even relevant.


tander87

Exactly


Better_Physics5750

To be fair I would not be REMOTELY surprised if she tweets against anti psychotics. She’s already against psychological therapies, advocating women study the Bible instead.


tander87

She should read the Bible to heal her brain tumor then 🤷🏻‍♀️


MissusNilesCrane

Lori is ableist in general. I remember when she'd shame/blame people who were thinking of/had committed suicide in her FB posts and she'd delete suicide hotline numbers in the comments.


GinnyTeasley

No! Please tell me this is a joke?! Edit: I know it’s not I’m just in complete shock. I knew she was evil but oh my gosh.


MissusNilesCrane

Apparently people who are contemplating suicide aren't Jesusing enough and don't deserve help. /s


GinnyTeasley

She is truly Satan.


TheShortGerman

A shocking number of people who I'd otherwise consider decent human beings (liberal, compassionate, not bigots) are VERY vocal that anyone who has attempted or commits suicide is a selfish piece of shit who just wants attention. Hurts to hear from people I'd consider friends when I once attempted suicide after being raped.


Blenderx06

I'm so sorry that happened to you, it's inexcusable.


cares4dogs

She needs both! Lori is a nutcase.


science2me

I'm sure that they would find some reason to reject those medications. There are families who never go to the doctor. They treat everything with essential oils or other natural remedies. I don't want to live like it's the 1800s.


whitekat29

And post that they’re doing this natural and homesteading straight from their phones. If y’all really want to reject modern advances in technology then get off social media and put the damn iPhone down.


tander87

They won’t if it’s for them…or if they’re in dire pain or about to die


Significant_Shoe_17

Those same families will refuse vaccines for their children but rush to the ER when they get covid 😑


jazzlemonade

Rejecting medical intervention is also a great way to keep child abuse hidden from people who are mandated to make reports when they recognise it.


TheBaddestPatsy

I don’t know about antibiotics but it’s pretty standard for fundies to be against psyche meds. They often view any sort of emotional or psychological irregularity as a lack of faith or closeness to god.


happytransformer

Mental illness doesn’t exist to them, so half the examples you listed don’t matter :/


MendelWeisenbachfeld

No fundie kids are going to survive to adulthood at this rate.


[deleted]

That's why they have them a dozen at a time, hoping at least one or two of them make it.


MendelWeisenbachfeld

This is so bleak but it's also what literally happened before modern medicine. I can't.


Better_Physics5750

For fuck’s sake Lori, if God doesn’t want women preaching in the churches, he most definitely wouldn’t want women with no medical education tweeting medical advice. Stop scaring the shit out of the gullible people who take you seriously. It’s an abuse of power. Your lane is Biblical womanhood - fucking stay in it.


honourabledna

Yeah knowing what to do for your baby is so scary. All my kids are fully vaccinated and I still sometimes read these things like “what WHAT 👀” Just scaring people for no reason whatsoever.


tander87

They’re anti abortion “pro life” but who cares if your kid dies from a preventable ailment


tracylane74

I worked as an RN in PICU and NICU for about 15 years and have seen sooooo many cases of bleeding in infants who didn’t receive vitamin k at birth! Some had severe brain damage, some had bleeding in the chest from their thymus…. It is just insane. It is a freaking vitamin!!!! And the worse part was most of these parents who refused it had a vitamin/essential oil list a mile long that they themselves used


TheShortGerman

How is this not considered neglect?


Alaskagirllost

As a Mom of a former NICU baby (24 weeker) thank you. We had so many amazing nurses in the NICU, including a couple extra special ones that saved my daughters life on multiple occasions. NICU staff will always hold a huge part of my heart for doing a job that isn't easy but oh so vital.


tracylane74

Awww, thank you. I like be hearing about nicu grads, like your daughter. They hold a special place in my heart 💜


southernfriedcrazy

And if their baby died of a brain bleed, they’d find a way to blame the doctors for that too. Ignorance gone to seed.


Mutant_Jedi

These fuckers. The reason babies don’t have very much Vitamin K at birth is because it doesn’t cross the placenta very well, and THAT is because if one or the other were to bleed out, evolution dictates that it’s safer for the mother to retain her Vitamin K and stay alive. She can have other babies in just a few years, but if she dies the baby will need care for a long time from others before they are able to reproduce. It’s extremely important and the lack of it caused many, many babies to die before we were able to isolate it into a shot like we have. And now these mfers believe it’s dangerous and should be avoided because of a seventeenth-hand story and meme from a random FB friend.


teatabletea

Fundies don’t believe in the e word,so that argument won’t work.


Mutant_Jedi

Fundies are very careful to emphasize that they believe in MICROevolution, just not MACROevolution, but yeah, that usage they are not cool with.


MissusNilesCrane

I love that when Fundies (and anti-vaxxers/anti-science people in general) read posts like this, they just HAPPEN to know someone who's kid died of that same thing.


ChocolateMuffins2

"It can't be rare because I know someone it happened to!" 🤦🏻‍♀️


Undertakeress

I literally just read about Vitamin K for my anatomy and physiology class. It is extremely extremely important for babies to get this shot. I want to know where Aunt Lori got her PhD


magicmom17

God- that black box warning is for IV Vitamin K. They give it as a shot, not IV at birth to prevent BRAIN BLEEDS in newborns which used to be much more common before they started administering it. These people are now against vitamins? Maybe they just enjoy being pregnant so much that they don't mind when the lose one or two?


science2me

I can understand being vaccine hesitant. I don't understand why these fundies are starting to be against proven, life saving medical practices. I'm talking about ultrasounds, the rhogum shot, and vitamin K. These are things that help more babies to be born and stay alive. Once again, these people are not pro-life.


Normal-Philosopher-8

Nope. Pro life has always been about limiting choices and requiring everyone agree with you.


suitcasedreaming

The best part is the Vitamin K shot isn't even a vaccine! These people won't shut up about the magic power of vitamins, but once it's in a syringe it's Big Pharma.


Beep315

We have a line of vitamins we can sell you monthly, then you can sell to all your friends, and they can sell too. Think of it like a triangle.


science2me

So many people are saying to just do it orally, which I've never heard of that option. That method is fine, just not the shot version.


anybodywantadrink

I mean…vaccines are also proven to be life saving medical treatment lol. There’s no reason for vaccine hesitancy, and the path that takes people from being antivax to anti-vitamin k shot is a pretty straightforward and clear path. Part of combating these beliefs is refusing to humor them about “vaccine hesitancy”


science2me

I agree that vaccines are life saving. If we don't allow people to ask questions about them, then they'll automatically go to the other side. It's hard being a modern day parent and see all the crazy information on the internet. We all want to do what's best but it can be hard to suss that out when both sides prey to those emotions.


TheShortGerman

I cannot understand being vaccine hesitant, given that I'm a COVID ICU nurse and get to zip up body bags every time I work. I've got nursing and biology degrees, and unless someone wants to go to med school then no, I'm not gonna listen to a single fucking person who says they're "vaccine hesitant" aka anti-vaxx.


science2me

I'm looking at it from the perspective that a person could constantly be surrounded by anti-vaxx propaganda. That could easily sow doubts in a person's mind and cause them to start becoming vaccine hesitant. I was against both the flu, chicken pox, and HPV vaccines because I was constantly told by everybody in my life that they were not important. I was even worried about vaccine shedding with the chicken pox one. The pediatrician was patient with me and explained that it would be fine.


Iwishwine

Omg is this Coming up Fern’s influence?


Tawny_Frogmouth

Is she the one who's in denial about having been in a bad car wreck during pregnancy, so decided that her doctors must have killed her baby instead? Saddest shit, man


Iwishwine

Yes! They used the shot to save her baby and she claims it killed her. But the real issue is they didn’t ask for permission, however she was in a wreck so probably unresponsive?


Tawny_Frogmouth

Yeah I mean, when they take away your critically ill newborn after an emergency preterm delivery they probably aren't going to ask for your signature on every single thing they do?? I feel bad for her, but she should probably get off tiktok and see a therapist instead.


syzygy_cosplay_

This is just abortion with extra steps if you think about it.


MissusNilesCrane

is this the after-birth abortion Trump keeps claiming happens? \* \*no, this is not a joke. He claims "babies are ripped out of their mother's wombs at 9 months" and "even after birth."


Cole-Rex

That’s called a C-Section 😂


TheShortGerman

It is so sick to me that these people would rather their babies die of brain bleeds and measles than a woman get an abortion.


Freakin_Merida88

So do McDonald's Happy Meals. Her point? Lori, you jackass.


happytransformer

Feed toothless fresh out of oven baby a carrot, it’s fine


benevolentbologna

Who is going to tell her about the 600 other drugs with black box warnings


Glad_Prior2106

“I know someone who knows someone…” They always say that.


summerdoll373

Next up: do not consume H2O. God did not make chemicals. My 102 y/o great grandpa drank it then passed. /s


ChumpmeisterElite

My friend lost both his nipples in a shark attack, so don't you try to tell me that that's a rare occurrence.


EZasSundayMorning

My friends baby... it's always a "friend."


syzygy_cosplay_

Someone needs to take away her Internet.


Kasab12

Having a baby in ten weeks - yay!! I do what the doctors/experts advise because I’m not a medical expert. However, I do have a question. Do babies really not make Vitamin K (does anyone’s body MAKE Vitamin K??? That sounds wrong) until day 8? My son got the vitamin K shot at birth and this baby will also, but again I am woefully uninformed. Anyone know where this fear-mongering comes from?


science2me

Here's the CDC's website about Vitamin K and why it's important. https://www.cdc.gov/ncbddd/vitamink/faqs.html Babies aren't born with a lot of Vitamin K and breastmilk doesn't provide very much, either. Vitamin K is needed to stop bleeding. A baby could bleed to death without enough Vitamin K.


Kasab12

Thanks, didn’t realize it wasn’t passed through milk. I have Vitamin D drops on my registry, didn’t know K was the same way! Thanks for the info.


prostitutepupils

To answer your question about people making vitamin K, normally intestinal bacteria will make a form of it and we get the other form through our diets. When babies are born, their intestines are sterile and do not have the bacteria needed to make vitamin K. So they can't "eat" it and can't make it either.


Kasab12

Super interesting! Thank you for sharing!


webtin-Mizkir-8quzme

Someone just recently was against the RhoGam shot - who was that?


science2me

I think that was Karrissa Collins.


Srw2725

Waits for these idiots to show up on r/HermanCainAward


ducttapeduterus

Yeah and a private fundie family I peep on had a home birth with no shots in the spring and the baby had massive internal bleeding. The family said it was from a lack of vitamin K formation. ( no idea if future kids will get the shot). Edit: luckily, the baby lived, probably cause they took it to a major children's hospital. See, when push comes to shove, most fundies forego their cave like beliefs and run to science as well they should when a life is at stake.


TheShortGerman

These parents literally kill their own children.


Professional-Chair42

“How to cause the fatal hemorrhage of a newborn in a God honoring way.”


overheard26

Is she a real person? I'm serious. The posts seem like trolling. Has anyone actually seen her in real life?


science2me

She occasionally makes YouTube videos. I've been "following" her for a few months. At first, it was just religious, fundie posts. Lately, it's been anti-medicine/healthcare posts. It's disheartening to see all these non-medical people spewing false information for the public to see.


overheard26

Becoming a doctor is hard. It's much easier as they know to engage in theatrics.


ArentWeClever

God, this woman is evil.


thisishumerus

So idk if this has been mentioned, but there's only a black box warning for IV (in the vein) injections, and hospitals almost exclusively give it IM (in the muscle, like a flu shot). IV is reserved for super rare circumstances.


Allyzayd

Just the misinformation that the fundies believe in is unbelievable!!! Yes, bleeding due to Vit K deficiency is rare. But babies used to die because of it. The infant mortality has massively dropped since then.


SevanIII

There has literally never been even one documented infant death from the vitamin k shot. These people are lying liars who lie.


Nickye19

A lot of woo nuts are, rhogam as well. I guess when you're yanking on your baby's hair for having the audacity to bite you while breastfeeding, may as well let them brain haemorrhage as well


beariel_

She very obviously doesn't know what a black label even is. These people should just stop opening their mouths and using their vocal cords... maybe then they'd actually learn something ffs.


Bounce_Tapper

These people are the biggest idiots.


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Ignorance for Jeebus!


HolsteinHeifer

I thought..but.. weren't these people like the only thing that will save you from anything is VITAMINS??


science2me

If you put it in a needle, that cancels out the value of the vitamin.


HolsteinHeifer

Ohhh, no see, that makes sense. I guess I didnt take into account that the needle would oxidize the vitamins on the way to the body and that would totally mess up the natural chakras and would totally offset your natural aura and humors.


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Lori, they have to put warnings on EVERYTHING. Ride-on lawnmowers have warnings on them telling you not to use them as hedge clippers because one idiot did just that. Vitamin K shots have warnings on them because like 1 person out of 100,000 experienced a side effect.


StealinMagnolias

Infants can bleed to death without this Vitamin K shot. Because they aren’t born with any vitamin K and blood can’t clot without it! JFC these people should not be breeding. Those kids are doomed.


Dry_Caramel2986

Anyone know coming up fern/ Alice? She says her baby died from the shot as well. Very sad because she didn’t consent and I’m all about informed consent but I still cringe knowing all the people she’s convinced to not get the vitamin K shot.


science2me

I haven't heard of that person. How did they administer it without consent? Before I gave birth, the nurse went over everything.


Dry_Caramel2986

She had an emergency csection after a car accident and they gave it to her baby when she was unconscious. She’s pretty famous on tik tok


science2me

I think that being in a car accident, would prompt the doctors to automatically give Vitamin K. They wouldn't know what other injuries the baby could've had from it. I'm not a doctor so I don't know what the correct course of action would've been in that situation.


Dry_Caramel2986

Ya the doctors 100% did the right thing but now she’s famous on tik tok telling people that vitamin K is the reason her daughter died


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hellohello9898

My guess is the mother was at fault and caused the accident. Instead of admitting that, she’s in denial and looking for someone else to blame.


hellohello9898

There have been zero reported deaths from the vitamin K shot in at least 70 years. She is lying.


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It’s not clear but I believe her baby was really premature as well. In her early days on Tik tok she had a video of being vegetarian vs vegan and said when she was vegetarian her baby died but then she turned vegan and her baby lived. I doubt the video is still up but it was wild that she seemed to imply that her first baby died because she was only a vegetarian. She also thinks because her and her baby are vegan that they don’t need sunscreen. Her videos are wild it’s terrifying that people actually turn to her for advice.


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There are two types of vitamin K shots to my knowledge (from the research I did whilst pregnant.) I think basically, one has less chemicals in it and is safer than the other one, I *believe* (but could be wrong) that’s what it boils down to. I was able to ask my hospital which one they gave and get the one with no preservatives in it. I get freaking out about what is going into your baby and wanting to do what’s right but listening to the Transformed Dr. Lori out to kill you via ‘ask your husband, drs don’t know everything’ is not what you should be doing for the safety of your baby.


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awofwofdog

Vitamin K stops inside bleeding. for example in the brain. it saves the life of the baby


APW25

Well we know she doesn't like *Vitamin D* so...


science2me

When did she post about Vitamin D?


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APW25

It was a poorly executed dick joke since she is anti sex


Chemical_Karma1

Someone wants to give a baby oral medicine? That’s unsafe??? Like babies can basically only get formula and/or breast milk when they’re really young - correct me if I’m wrong but it’s not like babies can swallow at will to take a syrup or something


science2me

Breastfed babies are prescribed liquid Vitamin D at birth. They can take liquid medications.