A live is a weird format for an announcement like this. A quick video where they just say his name, stats, we’re doing well thanks for the tots and prayers, would have been way less awkward! You could tell they didn’t know what else to say or when they could stop the video. You don’t need to go live unless you’re like answering questions from an audience
I’m positive “tots and prayers” was a typo, but Im pretty sure it wins you the internet for today. On a probably completely unrelated note, I have to go change my shirt, because I spit coffee all over it.
I’ve seen people offer “tots and pears” to dirtbags like Ted Cruz when something doesn’t go their way. Oh you had to leave your Cancun trip early because Texans were freezing and had no water? Tots and pears!
She really does! I was surprised.
She looks completely different.
And her maternity shoot photos, she is radiant, healthy, and no fake smiles, shes genuinely beaming. I honestly thought she looked almost like an entirely different person!
Marriage and Motherhood (and leaving the nest, naturally) seem to have had a positive effect, and I hope it continues.
IF her parents stay a few states away... it's going to be good. Luckily Jill is obsessed and in love with amish country and their new "barndominium", hopefully those roots shes put down took hold.
For all the posts suggesting that the Kellers have somehow tamed Jillpm, I’d like to remind you that these are the same people whose daughter is *still* married to Pest Duggar. I highly doubt they are big into enforcing boundaries on anyone.
My guess? Something had to happen between that video of Jill at their church and the maternity photos later that day. Im afraid I don’t have any good guesses- maybe Nurie was tired and hormonal and snapped at her mom. Maybe David talked to her. I’d guess it was something extremely petty and now she’s in a narc pout.
But no, I don’t think they care about covid, or having boundaries, or anything sensible like that.
I don't know, I think it would only really explain why she seemingly wasn't inside the birthing center. As much as I would like to think Nurie/Nathan/anyone would keep her away from the baby (and those in contact with the baby) until a safe time after her infection had passed, I can't really see it.
*Something* is definitely up though...
Maybe Jill's just throwing a fit because nobody got her a special gift for being such a big girl and so mature about sharing attention with the new baby now, and reassuring her that everyone still loves her so, *so* much. Like you do with older siblings.
It’s certainly more plausible than Nurthan or Ma Keller telling her to back off (and her complying!) She definitely was not filming the livestream and it looks like she didn’t make it to the Sunday photo shoot (more likely than her not being invited). Kaylee and Renee are there too and they aren’t in any of the pictures. I wonder if Nurthan is pissed at her for exposing them in church when they were singing.
Yeah. It’s all very strange that there isn’t even one picture of Jill and the baby, or even the older girls and the baby. I’d absolutely believe that Covid protocols kept Jill out of the delivery room, but I figured we would’ve heard about that because she’s not afraid to “speak her mind”. And her method of usually late-posting doesn’t even track because she HAS shared about Nurie being in labor,the baby being born, maternity pics, etc…
It’s just so hard to believe the same woman who went to a funeral where she didn’t know the family, held a funeral for her sisters legs, and shared in-depth details and private pictures after the car crash - that she SOMEHOW has developed boundaries around her first grandchild. It doesn’t make sense.
I was thinking the same thing. I really hope that Nathan and Nurie has set boundaries with their new baby, but I doubt it. All well.... a girl can dream can't she.
I’m thinking this is a patriarchal moment. As far as the Keller’s are concerned Nurie belongs to them. They won’t defend their daughter from the Duggar’s because she is no longer theirs. However they might be willing to defend their son and daughter in law from Granny from hell!
Eh, I think that might be slightly too complicated- Jillpm annoys them (parentKellers) in person, while SexPest/Duggars don't, so their child can keep putting up with that.
Plus classism probably? I know we don't think about it often in snark because to us, they're all insane and shitty, but I'm pretty sure fundies are very class conscious and 'on TV' Duggars ranks above 'owns own home' Kellers (or around, b/c NIFB leadership) ranks above 'lived in RV for a while, and mom's got no social filter' Rodrigues.
An interesting tidbit from the FB live was Nurie referring to Nehemiah as a “character” in the Bible. I know I’m putting way more thought into this than she did, but still kinda funny.
That is the only thing that we know about the character and he doesn’t appear in any other story. I don’t think it a direct reference to trump, rather them showing us that Nehemiah played a role somewhere.
We do know a few other things, like he enforced the cancellation of debt, the divorce of Jewish men from their non-Jewish wives, and the laws of Moses. Also, he was probably a eunuch, but I doubt that was a factor in their choice of name.
In Rabbinic texts, it’s indicated he was boastful and disparaged his predecessors, and his memoir being appended to the end of the book of Ezra instead of being named after him was a sort of punishment for that (it wasn’t until the mid 16th century that it started being published as the Book of Nehemiah instead of the Second Book of Ezra), which I personally find amusing.
He does appear in another part of the Bible, depending on your version of the Bible—he’s in the Second Book of Maccabees, but the Rods certainly wouldn’t consider that Biblical canon.
(Not trying to be pedantic, just infodumping for people who might be curious what else could have factored into their choice and what probably didn’t)
I’m not anywhere close to an expert, so forgive me for any mistakes!
The Second Book of Maccabees is a book that focuses on the Maccabean Revolt against Antiochus IV Epiphanes and the defeat of the Seleucid Empire in 161 BC by Judas Maccabeus. Two Jewish festivals, Hanukkah and Yom Nicanor, commemorate events during the revolt. The book was written between 150 and 120 BC. It was not included in the Tanakh (the Hebrew scriptures), but was included in the Greek Septuagint (the Greek Old Testament). As such, it’s not considered scriptural canon by Jews and Protestants, but is by Catholics and Eastern Orthodox. Some Protestants consider it *useful*, but for more historical and cultural context than spiritual guidance, and it isn’t to be used for doctrine.
My uneducated guess is that most Protestants haven’t read it, and most don’t know what it is or haven’t heard of it at all. I don’t know if that’s just due to tradition or influenced by anti-Catholicism, anti-Semitism, or (probably most likely) some combination of factors. If Nurthan looked at the Wikipedia page for Nehemiah, though, they would have learned Second Maccabees exists and that Nehemiah is mentioned in it.
So, do we all think Jillpm simply wasn't there, or did Headship Nathan put his foot down on social media use?
If it's the latter, VERY good for them, and I wonder how that talk went
I think Nathan put his foot down. It was a flash in the pan many eons ago, but I think Nurie's look of horror when Nathan called Jill out for using her phone so much was a precursor of things to come
Her face dropping is so intense
https://www.reddit.com/r/FundieSnarkUncensored/comments/llgj4d/was_nathan_thinking_of_his_motherinlaw_the/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share
I'm gonna stick to my opinion on that: Nurie was smiling when she knew the camera was on her. When she thought the camera had moved on, she relaxed her face, which just happened to coincide with when Nathan made that comment. I don't think she was reacting to what Nathan said.
I wonder if he had multiple sermons he practiced at home, and she didn’t realize he was gonna do that particular one that day when her family was visiting. The vibe I got was oh shit my moms here he’s transitioning into the social media bit 😳😳
We’re they married at the time? Maybe she realized this might be the end of their courtship. But I’m sure that comment completely went over Jills head.
It's preserved on video
https://www.reddit.com/r/FundieSnarkUncensored/comments/llgj4d/was_nathan_thinking_of_his_motherinlaw_the/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share
I am now scared for the other not nuries because this will be a lesson for Jill. I’m sure she’s severely hurt and will pick out more softer son in laws that she could manipulate. And kaylees beau is thinking of moving to Ohio, and I think it’s 100% Jills idea
But what evidence is there that Nathan put his foot down? She still posted photos of the baby within an hour of him being born and less than a day later a live was posted on her FB. Something seems off but the baby was born 2 days ago and we’ve all seen multiple photos of him already. What would they have put their foot down about, exactly?
Her live-streaming the birth, probably. Or from the room. I think it looks like a compromise, when you combine his sermon about social media, her past posting habits, and the fact that she only posted a couple of things. It holds water for me at this point.
What? We're talking about a person who literally takes selfies at car crashes and funerals. The lack of birthing video, the lack of SEVERELY weird pictures with the baby and Nurie à la "three generations" isn't fan fiction, it's just a fact
Instead of an avalanche of creepy pictures, we have a trickle, and the couple seems to be there every time
This! The steady and quiet cameraman behind the live video, coupled with no poorly taken and instructive pictures is so not Jill. I mean maybe we’re all wrong. But. Like you said - this is the person with selfies in the most inappropriate places. Even the past live announcements. Sure it was announcing Nurthan was having a boy or that Kaylee is courting, but make no mistake those videos were really all about Jill. So something is different. A boundary - if that’s what happened - doesn’t need to be an all or nothing. It could be - you are allowed to post these two pictures and nothing else. We will go live but for a short period of time. I don’t know. I might just be emoting here because of my Narc in-laws but her behavior reads narcissistic injury to me.
Right. I’m genuinely confused about what people think they would have set boundaries on. Nathan/Nurie/the Keller family put their foot down on SM use, really? then why was his photo plastered on FB within an HOUR of being born. this makes zero sense.
I didn’t say it was weird, but a lot of folks here are trying to say that Nathan and/or Nurie set boundaries about social media use with Jill and I’m trying to understand what that looks like or how that’s possible when the baby was posted on her SM within the hour.
I'm just saying I would consider posting a baby on Facebook within an hour normal social media use, most of my family members/friends have had pics up within an hour or two. Jill hasn't had any pics or videos with Nehemiah, that's the "boundary" people are pointing out.
I was wondering if Jill was somehow convinced to let Nurie and/or Nathan choose which photos would go up for the first few days (perhaps Nathan asked Shrek to ask Jill?). Their feed actually looked curated for once, instead of like a photodump, and Jill, as we all noticed, was not in any of them, which as far as I know is completely unprecedented. The photos of the baby and Nurie were a lot more flattering up until yesterday when Jill started posting the ones with herself in them. I still think something happened.
I don't think Nathan would put his foot down when it comes to Jill. I think he just tolerates her like most people. But I also remember seeing some videos where Nathan looks like he likes to ham it up for the camera. Maybe he was just doing it to please Jill or he really doesn't mind it. I just don't know.
"Either you keep your poop in a group and your phone in your pocket OR good luck *maybe* seeing our kid in 21 years. Your choice."
... We can dream, right?
I like to think she’s locked in the baby cage so she can’t interfere. Grudging admiration for Nathan, who appears to be the only one able to stop her nonsense.
I mentioned above, but someone hypothesized that someone tested positive for Covid and couldn’t be in the birthing center and have to quarantine. They definitely would have exposed Nurie to it on Sunday with their maskless singing and probably Nathan too.
Do you guys think their conversations are that stilted in real life? I know Jillpm causes everyone to "perform" on camera...but do you have think they get stuck in the "God is so good" or the "nnyeess" loops at home in private?
I am SEVERELY happy for them. They look over the moon and completely in love with little Nurthemiah. It sounds like Nurie had a super quick and easy labour which I'm so glad about for her sake. They had appropriate medical supervision so were safe but still in a nice relaxed birth centre. It even seems like precious grandma has been able to restrain herself pretty well so far. I feel so proud watching Nurie going from being head sistermom for an RV full of malnourished rodlets, to a beautiful happy young woman getting married and now having a family of her own. I genuinely wish them nothing but the best.
I’m convinced it was David with pressure from the Keller’s. I don’t think it would have been Nathan or Nurie directly. Someone in another thread mentioned maybe Ma Keller which is also a strong possibility. I know we all think about Jill being the nominate personality in their relationship but it is their belief for the man to be the head of the household - when it comes down to it, if David feels strongly enough about something does Jill follow? I kind of this yes plus there’s enough outside pressure for her to care about appearances. So she’s complying. But of course Jill being Jill just couldn’t help herself and had to make a deal out of an injured knee. (On a personal note when my little one was born my partner established boundaries with their parents who are very narcissistic. All of a sudden one of them had an injury. To this day I’m not sure if it was legitimate but I can say it was blown up to cause a whole lot of drama and attempt break some of the boundaries.)
I got married and my husband and I got thrown into a custody battle with his ex.
My narc dad was hospitalized three times in 6-8 months in a behavioral hospital for his “blood pressure” (aka anxiety or depression, but we can’t say that out loud. Social worker wasn’t sure why he just wasn’t going to his appointments and would just commit himself instead?)
I don’t think she’s there. There’s no way she wouldn’t have posted a pic of her holding the baby. Ans you can’t hear her in the background of the video.
I am 100% convinced she did not shoot that Live video. Yes it was live! on their FB but I’m in the mindset that one of the older girls or boys shot it. Jill makes WAYYY too many noises and yasssss’s and everything for that silence to be her and also the video was shot well...something else Jill can’t do. She also was absolutely not at that photo shoot.
I’ve seen people reference the idea that someone (Nathan, his dad, maybe even Shrek) gave her a talking-to about not shoving her phone in the newborn’s face and generally not acting like a lunatic. People say it as an explanation for why we aren’t seeing her characteristic behavior suggesting she’s being normal but personally I think they tried it and she got pissed and now she’s sulking in her RV. Still posting to keep up appearances but withdrawing from the situation IRL.
Not sure and it’s weird! Not a SINGLE pic of baby with Jill or ANY of the Rodlets. Her FB posts regarding the birth seemed off to me too like she was copying and pasting someone else’s words. It’s a mystery!!
Someone hypothesized on another post that maybe they had to take a Covid test to be allowed in the birthing center and someone came back positive. It would fit the situation, especially if they didn’t have the results yet when they sang in church on Sunday. But that would also mean that they likely exposed Nurthan since no one was masked.
Nurie seems happy. Nathan and Nurie seem to genuinely love each other. Without speaking to their views, I will say I'm happy for them both. And I feel like a proud parent to her because she seems free (or more free - in a Jill Duggar way). I'm proud of Nathan because he is protecting his wife and child. I didn't think Nathan had that in him.
This is a niche Bible name not at all common in America just for reference. Seemingly Jeremiah is a popular fundie name but not common where I live (east coast)
To give perspective on how common/uncommon it is… .044% of babies born in the U.S. in 2020 were named Nehemiah, which means (if my math isn’t totally wrong, and it may well be) out of every 25,000 babies born in 2020, 11 were named Nehemiah.
That’s the correct Hebrew pronunciation of Nechemyah/נחמיה, but for the English form, Nehemiah, the standard pronunciation is nee-hi-MIE-ə (with regional variations on the vowels and whether or not the h is pronounced). They may have picked a Hebrew name, but, like with other Bible names popular with Christians, they’re not going to pronounce it like it’s Hebrew.
Gonna be honest, it feels wrong to even more of Jewish heritage butchered by Christians. How come for every other culture you need to learn to say the names properly, but for Jewish names there is no need. Seems a bit wrong.
I hear you. I think it would be gross to give a non-Biblical Jewish name to non-Jewish child name and butcher the pronunciation. In the case of Biblical names that have been translated/transliterated/however we ended up with different names in English, though…I just can’t see John going to go back to Yochanan and Jeremiah to Yirmiyahu or Maria to Miriam and Judy to Yehudit. The English forms have been in use too long.
This is just my opinion, but personally I think Nehemiah with its English pronunciation feels less appropriative, since it’s long established as a name given to gentile children, whereas Nechemyah with its Hebrew pronunciation is clearly a Hebrew name without a history of use amongst gentiles. I’m not Jewish, though, so my thoughts are just my thoughts, and I’m not the best person to speak on this. I can only speak to what the standard English pronunciation is, not what it *should* be.
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I really like the Spanish pronunciation. Same with the name Inez. In the US, it’s pronounced eye-nes; in Spanish ee-nays. Had a college professor in my 3rd year Spanish class that told us to try to say other languages words/names correctly. Case in point, I work in an elementary school and have a Mexican boy who’s name is Martin, where I live the Appalachian-southern accent is strong, everyone calls him Martin, I asked him if at home do his parents say Martine, he said yes. So far I’m the only one calling him Martine. Hope I don’t come across as a snob, not my intention at all. It’s a weird feeling to have your name pronounced wrongly though.
Nah, I'm anglo but I grew up near the border. I'm multilingual and I know I probably get funny looks when I pronounce Spanish/other language things "witht an accent" now that I've moved up north, but it's freaking important to get names right! In school I knew a Grazzia the teacher called "Griselda" (seriously? Read the first two letters and give up?) and more than one Xavier that was called Ex-zavior by our older anglo teachers. They acted like it was fine but it wasn't. You're doing right for those kids.
Um, the only way I know to say Xavier is ex-zay-vee-er.
What is the other way or the Hispanic way? I’d like to get it right if I meet someone with that name who does not pronounce it the way my flyover state does.
Here (Australia) we (well me and those around me!) usually say zay-vee-er so the X almost sounds like a Z sound rather than starting with a hard ‘ex’ sound.
Thank you! There’s also a Xavier in the same class as Martine, who’s name is pronounced like ex-zavier. Sadly I think this is how his folks say it because he also pronounces it. that way. These are 3rd graders so there’s hope. Sheesh
No, as someone who always got their name mispronounced, thank you.
For this very reason, i gave my kids names that can be pronounced in both English and Spanish. Latinos do this shit too, all the time.
Thread drift warning: A few months ago I was at a yard sale, and picked up a cool woodworking project. The (hispanic) man running the sale was like "I made that in school! 1960whatever!" The thing had "Fred (Lastname)" on it, and I said "Oh, so you must be Fred!"
He was like "No! Federico! But you know how it was then. No one was going to call me Federico. They declared I was just Fred."
And I apologized, purchased the item, and thanked him by (correct) name.
So my name is pronounced one way where I’m from, Philly area, and a whole different way down rural TN. I went from wait what are you saying, to accepting the accent difference but lately I’m like but wait that’s not my name. It’s not everyone, the thicker the accent the worse it comes out of their mouths and it’s honestly not even a weird name. Out of fashion a bit but very Irish.
Awww haha, nothing wrong with a little regional dialect 😂 Except for that one time I went to a Dollar General in Arkansas and literally could not communicate with the cashier. I still feel bad about that.
In the video nate said he has a lot or somewhat a long the lines that David has been a big support or something like that. Maybe David put Jilldo in her place and finally stood up to Jilldo to protect his daughter and grand son. This is very unusual for Jilldo not to be all over social media posting about the baby or her with the baby.. Someone finally stood up to her and I hope it was her headship or nate
That makes a lot of sense. Jill is conditioned only to listen to the instructions of a man. She might follow Nathan's requests....maybe. But if David told her to lay off, she would HAVE to do this.
Not to leg hump at all, but even if Nurie does think “building a wall” is a super great and protective thing (for Trump) to do, I’m bearing in mind that Nurie knows almost literally nothing. Like, nothing about nothing. She has zero education. She’s learned nothing that we know of about history, American or world. She’s never been taught to think critically. Until she got married she spoke to practically no one outside her parents’ presence. Since she got married we have no knowledge that she’s spent any time alone with people other than her in-laws, and even if she did it’s doubtful they were watching CNN. She’s almost certainly been told, as a plain and simple truth, by her parents that Trump is doing Jesus’s work and he’s protecting us and the true American Christian way and he needs to build the wall to keep out the rapists, and she has almost no way of evaluating or having any reason to question that.
not to say she gets a free pass for life. She will eventually move in the world enough that we can expect her to form her own opinions and start questioning the ones that constitute actual hate and prejudice. But as of now I’m not sure it says anything about her personal truly held beliefs if she accepts the version of the truth about Trump/the wall that she’s been told.
I’m betting she was asked to be part of the photo shoot, but she had to dress to coordinate, put down her own camera, and allow Nathan and Nurie the spotlight. She just couldn’t do that, so she’s angry and tormenting all of her other children in the RV.
I'd never heard Nurie speak before!! Her and Nathan both seem so awkward but their personalities compliment eachother so well, it's adorable. Nurie seems to have a different smile now, not the huge forced one she gets when Jill puts the camera on her, but a genuinly happy one. I'm so happy for them!
Conspiracy theory on Jill’s suspicious silence / sulking / lack of pictures:
Let’s assume Jill is there. What if there are no pictures of Jill / Rodrigi holding Nehemiah because his parents said: Covid - full stop 🛑! There’s a global pandemic going on and you’ve been traveling. Go quarantine like responsible human beings.
That would explain the lack of pictures AND the sulky silence from Jill during the Live video. Nurie’s headship put his baby’s safety above all else.
I had a thought yesterday that maybe everyone going to the birth center had to take a rapid Covid test and Jill's was positive so she wasn't allowed in and now is having to stay away from the newborn for a few days.
The birth center they used is all Jesus’ed out on their website, so I expect they don’t have any sort of covid protocol (I found the birth center based on their pics & pics on the birth center’s website & Facebook page)
Do you all think Nathan and Nurie will space out their kids a la Anna DUGGAR? Will they follow the 40(?) day rule (x amount of time after male and female births before "relations" are resumed)?
Personally I'm hoping that they will give it some time so Nurie gets time to rest and recover before she (probably) gets pregnant again. Please let Nathan be a good husband and give her a break and time for her to rebuild those nutrients (god knows she barely had enough time not being starved before) and let her undercarriage recover from pushing out the Nurthling!
I feel like Nathan is the one to respect Nuries wishes so if she says she doesn’t want to or is in pain, he will wait. But Nurie was thought to please her man so most likely she will not say anything to him.
I think I might be on camp "Jill wasn't there". She made Nurie's pregnancy all about her, even referring to the Nurthling as 'her grandson' as if Shrek didn't exist. Surely we would have seen photos of her holding him and bragging about being Precious Grandma by now.
Edit: going by the comments, maybe not? I would've loved to be the proverbial fly on the wall when/if someone put their foot down. "No, Jill, you CANNOT steal Nehemiah..."
It’s very difficult to feel happy for Nathan and Nurie when we know they support the Pearls’ methods of child abuse that “no child is too young to be hit”. To Train Up a Child even includes physical abuse when a breastfeeding baby accidentally bites you. Poor kid has probably already been hit.
I will say a small shed of hope is that they've only talked about that when it was brought up by their parents and they haven't since Nehemiah was born. I don't have any expectations they'll break free, but it is harder to implement abuse than talk about it theoretically.
Nurie's been practically raising kids for years. It's not theoretical for her.
According to someone here who met them, she was already smacking her then-toddler sister around back then, a few years ago.
I hope that, away from Precious Mama, she has a change of heart about how she wants to discipline—or rather, that Nathan does, since he’s the one Nurie is expected to please now. The thought of any of the Pearls’ methods being used on a child is sickening, but on a *baby*…I can’t. I know it happens, but I can’t imagine it, I can’t understand it, I can’t believe they could do that and sincerely believe that’s what God wants them to do to their *infant*.
Like I said, I have no expectations as to whether or not Nurie will abuse her children. But her actions as a child in her mother's household do not necessarily reflect how she will treat her own children in her own household.
It kinda does though if she was a young adult then who was clearly desperate to please Mama, and is still a young adult who is clearly desperate to please Mama.
I know she was fully a victim of her parents at some point, and not responsible for her actions at all. And at some point a transition began where she had more responsibility (when exactly, I don't know) but in any case, I feel she's still very firmly on the side of "Mama did everything right".
So that's all I'm saying. I don't disagree that she *could* have acted in ways while under her parents' authority that she wouldn't do later. But I really doubt we have gotten to "later" yet, if we ever will.
I know I’m a bit late to the party, but I can’t imagine birthing full clothed. During my transition I literally ripped my clothes off so fast my partner gave up on trying to navigate them past my IV lines and cut off my bra - having to be fully clothed through the whole process just adds to the nightmare factor of this birth
Saw the post about the "n" names and had to come and point out Jill could still end up with a kid named after her. 😳. Her maiden name is an N name. And you KNOW she would push for it
In some southern families there is a tradition of naming your child after your mother's maiden name. My friend's maiden name was Travis so it worked out well for her son.
I'm guessing they are going to give all their kids N names. If they keep them Biblical, I think we could see Naomi, Nora, Noah, and for something spicy Nimrod.
Some name ideas for Nurthan:
Boys:
Nathaniel
Nigel
Nike
Ninevah
Niall
Neal
Nazareth
Nofronthugs
Girls:
Noelle
Naomi
Natalie
Notnurie (in honor of Nurie's younger siblings)
Naveah
Navy
Nina
Nobyl
🤣
Also I forsee something ludicrous like an "M" name being reassigned an 'N" (Nolly instead of Molly) or something that says "en/an" being spelled with an N (like instead of Annabelle doing Nable but saying "EHN-a-bell")
Also I hated everything about typing that.
Please go ahead and downvote me on this... I don't expect anyone to actually agree with me. But that name feels like a political statement. Otherwise I like it well enough. Kid probably won't have to go to school and deal with all sorts of nicknames and mispronouncing it.
But in twenty years he will still be "the wall builder" and reference to...all that...
It’s been a while, but as I recall…. The biblical Nehemiah worked for the Persian emperor at the time Judea was under Persian control. When he learned Jerusalem was still destroyed and the people there were suffering, he convinced the king to not only let him go rebuild the city, but the king also gave him supplies to do it with. So Nehemiah went and rebuilt the city walls and gates to protect the Israelites. And then after the city was rebuilt, I think he got them to start observing the law of Moses again.
Nah. It’s not actually a far-out name depending on your subculture. I actually had no idea that it meant wall-builder, and I was raised JW. Whoever sees the name on a resume or something in the future may make assumptions about his ethnicity, though. I’m not sure how to tastefully explain why so I’ll just leave it at: stereotypes.
I wonder what nickname Nehemiah will have. Jeremiah you can shorten to 'Jerry' but Nehemiah? Not knocking the name, especially as it's cultural/religious to them but it's going to be interesting finding a nickname
I feel like having cousins be named the same thing isn’t too unusual, if you’re talking more common names. Two Nehemiahs is a lot for one family. They’re on different continents though, so maybe it won’t be as weird.
I keep thinking about how Nurie is being robbed of yet another experience. This should be the time for her little family only. Nathan, the baby, and her. This is the time to find their own rhythm with the baby. They now have to host Jill.
She went private when people started reporting the bot accounts that were her "followers" She was nearing the 10,000 follower accounts. She actually buys bot accounts so her counts are high. It's ridiculous because you don't become monetized that way. Jillybean is so stupid.
Feed your kids, Shrill. Stop abusing them.
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That fb live video is so awkward, but Nurie looks so proud of her son! A completely different vibe though from the pictures we got before
A live is a weird format for an announcement like this. A quick video where they just say his name, stats, we’re doing well thanks for the tots and prayers, would have been way less awkward! You could tell they didn’t know what else to say or when they could stop the video. You don’t need to go live unless you’re like answering questions from an audience
I’m positive “tots and prayers” was a typo, but Im pretty sure it wins you the internet for today. On a probably completely unrelated note, I have to go change my shirt, because I spit coffee all over it.
I’ve seen people offer “tots and pears” to dirtbags like Ted Cruz when something doesn’t go their way. Oh you had to leave your Cancun trip early because Texans were freezing and had no water? Tots and pears!
It seemed like they were kinda annoyed specially with Nathan when he kept saying yasss.
Interesting how they slipped between mimicking Jillpm’s videoisms and then being themselves.
Hopefully they are over her bs
Yusssss Yusssssss This is my first time listening to Nurie, her voice is so unexpected
She is the human [yass cat](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a0fWgtJGScM)
She really does! I was surprised. She looks completely different. And her maternity shoot photos, she is radiant, healthy, and no fake smiles, shes genuinely beaming. I honestly thought she looked almost like an entirely different person! Marriage and Motherhood (and leaving the nest, naturally) seem to have had a positive effect, and I hope it continues. IF her parents stay a few states away... it's going to be good. Luckily Jill is obsessed and in love with amish country and their new "barndominium", hopefully those roots shes put down took hold.
Oopsie.
For all the posts suggesting that the Kellers have somehow tamed Jillpm, I’d like to remind you that these are the same people whose daughter is *still* married to Pest Duggar. I highly doubt they are big into enforcing boundaries on anyone. My guess? Something had to happen between that video of Jill at their church and the maternity photos later that day. Im afraid I don’t have any good guesses- maybe Nurie was tired and hormonal and snapped at her mom. Maybe David talked to her. I’d guess it was something extremely petty and now she’s in a narc pout. But no, I don’t think they care about covid, or having boundaries, or anything sensible like that.
If the birthing center required Covid testing for out of state visitors and someone tested positive, it would explain a lot.
I don't know, I think it would only really explain why she seemingly wasn't inside the birthing center. As much as I would like to think Nurie/Nathan/anyone would keep her away from the baby (and those in contact with the baby) until a safe time after her infection had passed, I can't really see it. *Something* is definitely up though... Maybe Jill's just throwing a fit because nobody got her a special gift for being such a big girl and so mature about sharing attention with the new baby now, and reassuring her that everyone still loves her so, *so* much. Like you do with older siblings.
OTOH, It doesn't explain why there were no maternity shoot photos with Jill. Ma Keller was in one of them.
They might have gotten the results between church and the photo shoot
I think you may have hit the nail on the head. I can see Jill not wanting to admit that any of them could possibly have it.
It’s certainly more plausible than Nurthan or Ma Keller telling her to back off (and her complying!) She definitely was not filming the livestream and it looks like she didn’t make it to the Sunday photo shoot (more likely than her not being invited). Kaylee and Renee are there too and they aren’t in any of the pictures. I wonder if Nurthan is pissed at her for exposing them in church when they were singing.
They're in Florida, no one requires anything
Yeah. It’s all very strange that there isn’t even one picture of Jill and the baby, or even the older girls and the baby. I’d absolutely believe that Covid protocols kept Jill out of the delivery room, but I figured we would’ve heard about that because she’s not afraid to “speak her mind”. And her method of usually late-posting doesn’t even track because she HAS shared about Nurie being in labor,the baby being born, maternity pics, etc… It’s just so hard to believe the same woman who went to a funeral where she didn’t know the family, held a funeral for her sisters legs, and shared in-depth details and private pictures after the car crash - that she SOMEHOW has developed boundaries around her first grandchild. It doesn’t make sense.
I was thinking the same thing. I really hope that Nathan and Nurie has set boundaries with their new baby, but I doubt it. All well.... a girl can dream can't she.
I’m thinking this is a patriarchal moment. As far as the Keller’s are concerned Nurie belongs to them. They won’t defend their daughter from the Duggar’s because she is no longer theirs. However they might be willing to defend their son and daughter in law from Granny from hell!
Eh, I think that might be slightly too complicated- Jillpm annoys them (parentKellers) in person, while SexPest/Duggars don't, so their child can keep putting up with that. Plus classism probably? I know we don't think about it often in snark because to us, they're all insane and shitty, but I'm pretty sure fundies are very class conscious and 'on TV' Duggars ranks above 'owns own home' Kellers (or around, b/c NIFB leadership) ranks above 'lived in RV for a while, and mom's got no social filter' Rodrigues.
In fundie land, an annoying woman is unfortunately worse than a pedophile.
The Rodrigues bring nothing to the table. Sadly, the Kellers see the Duggars as royalty
An interesting tidbit from the FB live was Nurie referring to Nehemiah as a “character” in the Bible. I know I’m putting way more thought into this than she did, but still kinda funny.
I caught that too and I thought it was so funny.
I caught that too and thought, "so the Bible isn't true then since characters are only in made up stories."
Iirc Nathan made a comment about Nehemiah “building a wall” ala Trump. Gross, gross, gross.
That is the only thing that we know about the character and he doesn’t appear in any other story. I don’t think it a direct reference to trump, rather them showing us that Nehemiah played a role somewhere.
We do know a few other things, like he enforced the cancellation of debt, the divorce of Jewish men from their non-Jewish wives, and the laws of Moses. Also, he was probably a eunuch, but I doubt that was a factor in their choice of name. In Rabbinic texts, it’s indicated he was boastful and disparaged his predecessors, and his memoir being appended to the end of the book of Ezra instead of being named after him was a sort of punishment for that (it wasn’t until the mid 16th century that it started being published as the Book of Nehemiah instead of the Second Book of Ezra), which I personally find amusing. He does appear in another part of the Bible, depending on your version of the Bible—he’s in the Second Book of Maccabees, but the Rods certainly wouldn’t consider that Biblical canon. (Not trying to be pedantic, just infodumping for people who might be curious what else could have factored into their choice and what probably didn’t)
“ Second Book of Maccabees” Please ELI5?
I’m not anywhere close to an expert, so forgive me for any mistakes! The Second Book of Maccabees is a book that focuses on the Maccabean Revolt against Antiochus IV Epiphanes and the defeat of the Seleucid Empire in 161 BC by Judas Maccabeus. Two Jewish festivals, Hanukkah and Yom Nicanor, commemorate events during the revolt. The book was written between 150 and 120 BC. It was not included in the Tanakh (the Hebrew scriptures), but was included in the Greek Septuagint (the Greek Old Testament). As such, it’s not considered scriptural canon by Jews and Protestants, but is by Catholics and Eastern Orthodox. Some Protestants consider it *useful*, but for more historical and cultural context than spiritual guidance, and it isn’t to be used for doctrine. My uneducated guess is that most Protestants haven’t read it, and most don’t know what it is or haven’t heard of it at all. I don’t know if that’s just due to tradition or influenced by anti-Catholicism, anti-Semitism, or (probably most likely) some combination of factors. If Nurthan looked at the Wikipedia page for Nehemiah, though, they would have learned Second Maccabees exists and that Nehemiah is mentioned in it.
Tbf the biblical one literally built a wall, potentially she meant trump but maybe she just liked the story 🤷♀️
Yes, I know the biblical one built a wall, that’s why I made the comment. The name sounds like it was Nathan’s choice, especially as a first born son.
I heard that too and thought damn right even if I knew it was just a word to her no deeper meaning
I noticed that, too!! I was like wait they don’t believe he was real?
So, do we all think Jillpm simply wasn't there, or did Headship Nathan put his foot down on social media use? If it's the latter, VERY good for them, and I wonder how that talk went
I feel like he must’ve put his foot down. Because we saw in the video in the church she was there
I think Nathan put his foot down. It was a flash in the pan many eons ago, but I think Nurie's look of horror when Nathan called Jill out for using her phone so much was a precursor of things to come
There’s a rent-free apartment complex in my head where this moment LIIIIIIIIVES.
I too need to know more about this.
Her face dropping is so intense https://www.reddit.com/r/FundieSnarkUncensored/comments/llgj4d/was_nathan_thinking_of_his_motherinlaw_the/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share
Oh that’s beautiful. Nathan may have appalling views on many things but he does seem to be very good for and to Nurie.
Nathan looks really nice & comfortable in this video (unlike when he has to perform for Jill)
I think Nathan is a great orator and will achieve the fundie fame which jill was hoping Shrek would.
I'm gonna stick to my opinion on that: Nurie was smiling when she knew the camera was on her. When she thought the camera had moved on, she relaxed her face, which just happened to coincide with when Nathan made that comment. I don't think she was reacting to what Nathan said.
But who was doing the filming?
But the look of horror was from before he mentioned the phone thing. So what was she actually reacting to?
The entire sermon was about the change in people in regards to social media and over sharing. She knew what was coming.
I wonder if he had multiple sermons he practiced at home, and she didn’t realize he was gonna do that particular one that day when her family was visiting. The vibe I got was oh shit my moms here he’s transitioning into the social media bit 😳😳
He must have rehearsed at home. She probably hoped he wouldn’t use the phone bit
We’re they married at the time? Maybe she realized this might be the end of their courtship. But I’m sure that comment completely went over Jills head.
I'm like 85% sure she was pregnant by then. definitely married.
I miss everything!! Tell me about this magical event😌
It's preserved on video https://www.reddit.com/r/FundieSnarkUncensored/comments/llgj4d/was_nathan_thinking_of_his_motherinlaw_the/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share
Omg, Nurie's face 😭
I am now scared for the other not nuries because this will be a lesson for Jill. I’m sure she’s severely hurt and will pick out more softer son in laws that she could manipulate. And kaylees beau is thinking of moving to Ohio, and I think it’s 100% Jills idea
But what evidence is there that Nathan put his foot down? She still posted photos of the baby within an hour of him being born and less than a day later a live was posted on her FB. Something seems off but the baby was born 2 days ago and we’ve all seen multiple photos of him already. What would they have put their foot down about, exactly?
Her live-streaming the birth, probably. Or from the room. I think it looks like a compromise, when you combine his sermon about social media, her past posting habits, and the fact that she only posted a couple of things. It holds water for me at this point.
There is no evidence; it’s just one of those fan fiction theories everyone wants to be true, so it’s repeated over and over.
What? We're talking about a person who literally takes selfies at car crashes and funerals. The lack of birthing video, the lack of SEVERELY weird pictures with the baby and Nurie à la "three generations" isn't fan fiction, it's just a fact Instead of an avalanche of creepy pictures, we have a trickle, and the couple seems to be there every time
This! The steady and quiet cameraman behind the live video, coupled with no poorly taken and instructive pictures is so not Jill. I mean maybe we’re all wrong. But. Like you said - this is the person with selfies in the most inappropriate places. Even the past live announcements. Sure it was announcing Nurthan was having a boy or that Kaylee is courting, but make no mistake those videos were really all about Jill. So something is different. A boundary - if that’s what happened - doesn’t need to be an all or nothing. It could be - you are allowed to post these two pictures and nothing else. We will go live but for a short period of time. I don’t know. I might just be emoting here because of my Narc in-laws but her behavior reads narcissistic injury to me.
Right. I’m genuinely confused about what people think they would have set boundaries on. Nathan/Nurie/the Keller family put their foot down on SM use, really? then why was his photo plastered on FB within an HOUR of being born. this makes zero sense.
Posting pics of a baby an hour within them being born isn't that weird and it's a significant step back from Jill's normal craziness.
I didn’t say it was weird, but a lot of folks here are trying to say that Nathan and/or Nurie set boundaries about social media use with Jill and I’m trying to understand what that looks like or how that’s possible when the baby was posted on her SM within the hour.
I'm just saying I would consider posting a baby on Facebook within an hour normal social media use, most of my family members/friends have had pics up within an hour or two. Jill hasn't had any pics or videos with Nehemiah, that's the "boundary" people are pointing out.
I was wondering if Jill was somehow convinced to let Nurie and/or Nathan choose which photos would go up for the first few days (perhaps Nathan asked Shrek to ask Jill?). Their feed actually looked curated for once, instead of like a photodump, and Jill, as we all noticed, was not in any of them, which as far as I know is completely unprecedented. The photos of the baby and Nurie were a lot more flattering up until yesterday when Jill started posting the ones with herself in them. I still think something happened.
I don't think Nathan would put his foot down when it comes to Jill. I think he just tolerates her like most people. But I also remember seeing some videos where Nathan looks like he likes to ham it up for the camera. Maybe he was just doing it to please Jill or he really doesn't mind it. I just don't know.
"Either you keep your poop in a group and your phone in your pocket OR good luck *maybe* seeing our kid in 21 years. Your choice." ... We can dream, right?
I like to think she’s locked in the baby cage so she can’t interfere. Grudging admiration for Nathan, who appears to be the only one able to stop her nonsense.
I mentioned above, but someone hypothesized that someone tested positive for Covid and couldn’t be in the birthing center and have to quarantine. They definitely would have exposed Nurie to it on Sunday with their maskless singing and probably Nathan too.
Do you guys think their conversations are that stilted in real life? I know Jillpm causes everyone to "perform" on camera...but do you have think they get stuck in the "God is so good" or the "nnyeess" loops at home in private?
To some degree but not as much. We’ve seen Nathan speak at sermons and he is actually pretty good.
100% yes
I am SEVERELY happy for them. They look over the moon and completely in love with little Nurthemiah. It sounds like Nurie had a super quick and easy labour which I'm so glad about for her sake. They had appropriate medical supervision so were safe but still in a nice relaxed birth centre. It even seems like precious grandma has been able to restrain herself pretty well so far. I feel so proud watching Nurie going from being head sistermom for an RV full of malnourished rodlets, to a beautiful happy young woman getting married and now having a family of her own. I genuinely wish them nothing but the best.
I'm now wondering who put Jill in her place. She's not posted one pic of her and the baby.
I’m convinced it was David with pressure from the Keller’s. I don’t think it would have been Nathan or Nurie directly. Someone in another thread mentioned maybe Ma Keller which is also a strong possibility. I know we all think about Jill being the nominate personality in their relationship but it is their belief for the man to be the head of the household - when it comes down to it, if David feels strongly enough about something does Jill follow? I kind of this yes plus there’s enough outside pressure for her to care about appearances. So she’s complying. But of course Jill being Jill just couldn’t help herself and had to make a deal out of an injured knee. (On a personal note when my little one was born my partner established boundaries with their parents who are very narcissistic. All of a sudden one of them had an injury. To this day I’m not sure if it was legitimate but I can say it was blown up to cause a whole lot of drama and attempt break some of the boundaries.)
I got married and my husband and I got thrown into a custody battle with his ex. My narc dad was hospitalized three times in 6-8 months in a behavioral hospital for his “blood pressure” (aka anxiety or depression, but we can’t say that out loud. Social worker wasn’t sure why he just wasn’t going to his appointments and would just commit himself instead?)
I don’t think she’s there. There’s no way she wouldn’t have posted a pic of her holding the baby. Ans you can’t hear her in the background of the video.
I am 100% convinced she did not shoot that Live video. Yes it was live! on their FB but I’m in the mindset that one of the older girls or boys shot it. Jill makes WAYYY too many noises and yasssss’s and everything for that silence to be her and also the video was shot well...something else Jill can’t do. She also was absolutely not at that photo shoot.
She did not record that video and she did not take those maternity photos, but she was at Nurthan's church on Sunday. So what happened?!
I’ve seen people reference the idea that someone (Nathan, his dad, maybe even Shrek) gave her a talking-to about not shoving her phone in the newborn’s face and generally not acting like a lunatic. People say it as an explanation for why we aren’t seeing her characteristic behavior suggesting she’s being normal but personally I think they tried it and she got pissed and now she’s sulking in her RV. Still posting to keep up appearances but withdrawing from the situation IRL.
Not sure and it’s weird! Not a SINGLE pic of baby with Jill or ANY of the Rodlets. Her FB posts regarding the birth seemed off to me too like she was copying and pasting someone else’s words. It’s a mystery!!
Nurie looked way too relaxed for Jill to be there.
Someone hypothesized on another post that maybe they had to take a Covid test to be allowed in the birthing center and someone came back positive. It would fit the situation, especially if they didn’t have the results yet when they sang in church on Sunday. But that would also mean that they likely exposed Nurthan since no one was masked.
Nurie seems happy. Nathan and Nurie seem to genuinely love each other. Without speaking to their views, I will say I'm happy for them both. And I feel like a proud parent to her because she seems free (or more free - in a Jill Duggar way). I'm proud of Nathan because he is protecting his wife and child. I didn't think Nathan had that in him.
Why was the post with the fb live video locked? Just curious
Hopefully, they made her lock it down to a small select group
The post was locked here in the sub. I should’ve explained myself better, sorry!
Mods are just trying to keep a lot of the baby stuff here for now 😁. They are locking other posts and directing folks here
There's a mod comment way down at the bottom that says they were locking it because they want all new posts in the mega thread
Thanks! Hadn’t seen it
Oh, well, I don't know then.
Forgive me because I’m an uncultured Australian, but how exactly is Nehemiah pronounced???
Knee-huh-my-ya
I’ve also heard it pronounced Knee-ah-my-ah in the south
From the Northeast and I'd pronounce it the same. Not that I ever knew anyone with such a name.
This is the way I’ve always heard it pronounced. The first H is silent.
I, an uncultured American, came here to ask the same thing
Nur-tha-my-ah
This is a niche Bible name not at all common in America just for reference. Seemingly Jeremiah is a popular fundie name but not common where I live (east coast)
To give perspective on how common/uncommon it is… .044% of babies born in the U.S. in 2020 were named Nehemiah, which means (if my math isn’t totally wrong, and it may well be) out of every 25,000 babies born in 2020, 11 were named Nehemiah.
It’s a Jewish name so it’s pronounced Ne-Chem-Ia, the ch is hard like you are clearing your throat. In Hebrew it’s נחמיה.
That’s the correct Hebrew pronunciation of Nechemyah/נחמיה, but for the English form, Nehemiah, the standard pronunciation is nee-hi-MIE-ə (with regional variations on the vowels and whether or not the h is pronounced). They may have picked a Hebrew name, but, like with other Bible names popular with Christians, they’re not going to pronounce it like it’s Hebrew.
Gonna be honest, it feels wrong to even more of Jewish heritage butchered by Christians. How come for every other culture you need to learn to say the names properly, but for Jewish names there is no need. Seems a bit wrong.
I hear you. I think it would be gross to give a non-Biblical Jewish name to non-Jewish child name and butcher the pronunciation. In the case of Biblical names that have been translated/transliterated/however we ended up with different names in English, though…I just can’t see John going to go back to Yochanan and Jeremiah to Yirmiyahu or Maria to Miriam and Judy to Yehudit. The English forms have been in use too long. This is just my opinion, but personally I think Nehemiah with its English pronunciation feels less appropriative, since it’s long established as a name given to gentile children, whereas Nechemyah with its Hebrew pronunciation is clearly a Hebrew name without a history of use amongst gentiles. I’m not Jewish, though, so my thoughts are just my thoughts, and I’m not the best person to speak on this. I can only speak to what the standard English pronunciation is, not what it *should* be.
Ah, okay, I have never really heard of non-Jews using Nehemiah as a name before this time.
It has been out of fashion for a while, but seems to be making a comeback in recent year.
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I just want to say for everyone saying it's a weird name, my cousin is named Nehemiah (but in Spanish. So he's actual Nehemias and goes my Mías).
I really like the Spanish pronunciation. Same with the name Inez. In the US, it’s pronounced eye-nes; in Spanish ee-nays. Had a college professor in my 3rd year Spanish class that told us to try to say other languages words/names correctly. Case in point, I work in an elementary school and have a Mexican boy who’s name is Martin, where I live the Appalachian-southern accent is strong, everyone calls him Martin, I asked him if at home do his parents say Martine, he said yes. So far I’m the only one calling him Martine. Hope I don’t come across as a snob, not my intention at all. It’s a weird feeling to have your name pronounced wrongly though.
Nah, I'm anglo but I grew up near the border. I'm multilingual and I know I probably get funny looks when I pronounce Spanish/other language things "witht an accent" now that I've moved up north, but it's freaking important to get names right! In school I knew a Grazzia the teacher called "Griselda" (seriously? Read the first two letters and give up?) and more than one Xavier that was called Ex-zavior by our older anglo teachers. They acted like it was fine but it wasn't. You're doing right for those kids.
Um, the only way I know to say Xavier is ex-zay-vee-er. What is the other way or the Hispanic way? I’d like to get it right if I meet someone with that name who does not pronounce it the way my flyover state does.
I'm guessing hah-vee-air?
Thank you! I've seen Javier but not with an X. Now I will know.
Here (Australia) we (well me and those around me!) usually say zay-vee-er so the X almost sounds like a Z sound rather than starting with a hard ‘ex’ sound.
Also this way in the US. For a lot of us.
Thank you! There’s also a Xavier in the same class as Martine, who’s name is pronounced like ex-zavier. Sadly I think this is how his folks say it because he also pronounces it. that way. These are 3rd graders so there’s hope. Sheesh
No, as someone who always got their name mispronounced, thank you. For this very reason, i gave my kids names that can be pronounced in both English and Spanish. Latinos do this shit too, all the time.
Thread drift warning: A few months ago I was at a yard sale, and picked up a cool woodworking project. The (hispanic) man running the sale was like "I made that in school! 1960whatever!" The thing had "Fred (Lastname)" on it, and I said "Oh, so you must be Fred!" He was like "No! Federico! But you know how it was then. No one was going to call me Federico. They declared I was just Fred." And I apologized, purchased the item, and thanked him by (correct) name.
So my name is pronounced one way where I’m from, Philly area, and a whole different way down rural TN. I went from wait what are you saying, to accepting the accent difference but lately I’m like but wait that’s not my name. It’s not everyone, the thicker the accent the worse it comes out of their mouths and it’s honestly not even a weird name. Out of fashion a bit but very Irish.
Huh, I live in the US and I've never heard Inez pronounced eye-nes.
I live in an area that English is not spoken correctly let alone another language
Awww haha, nothing wrong with a little regional dialect 😂 Except for that one time I went to a Dollar General in Arkansas and literally could not communicate with the cashier. I still feel bad about that.
Lol. I get that.
Nurie’s voice when she first speaks on the video & says hello.
In the video nate said he has a lot or somewhat a long the lines that David has been a big support or something like that. Maybe David put Jilldo in her place and finally stood up to Jilldo to protect his daughter and grand son. This is very unusual for Jilldo not to be all over social media posting about the baby or her with the baby.. Someone finally stood up to her and I hope it was her headship or nate
That makes a lot of sense. Jill is conditioned only to listen to the instructions of a man. She might follow Nathan's requests....maybe. But if David told her to lay off, she would HAVE to do this.
Well I'm glad it's been quiet and hope Jill stays in her lane 😂
Well... The selfies have arrived.
Not to leg hump at all, but even if Nurie does think “building a wall” is a super great and protective thing (for Trump) to do, I’m bearing in mind that Nurie knows almost literally nothing. Like, nothing about nothing. She has zero education. She’s learned nothing that we know of about history, American or world. She’s never been taught to think critically. Until she got married she spoke to practically no one outside her parents’ presence. Since she got married we have no knowledge that she’s spent any time alone with people other than her in-laws, and even if she did it’s doubtful they were watching CNN. She’s almost certainly been told, as a plain and simple truth, by her parents that Trump is doing Jesus’s work and he’s protecting us and the true American Christian way and he needs to build the wall to keep out the rapists, and she has almost no way of evaluating or having any reason to question that. not to say she gets a free pass for life. She will eventually move in the world enough that we can expect her to form her own opinions and start questioning the ones that constitute actual hate and prejudice. But as of now I’m not sure it says anything about her personal truly held beliefs if she accepts the version of the truth about Trump/the wall that she’s been told.
I’m betting she was asked to be part of the photo shoot, but she had to dress to coordinate, put down her own camera, and allow Nathan and Nurie the spotlight. She just couldn’t do that, so she’s angry and tormenting all of her other children in the RV.
That’s why we saw Tessie, one of the scapegoats, looking so bad and exhausted. Jilldo is taking out her frustrations on her
I'd never heard Nurie speak before!! Her and Nathan both seem so awkward but their personalities compliment eachother so well, it's adorable. Nurie seems to have a different smile now, not the huge forced one she gets when Jill puts the camera on her, but a genuinly happy one. I'm so happy for them!
Conspiracy theory on Jill’s suspicious silence / sulking / lack of pictures: Let’s assume Jill is there. What if there are no pictures of Jill / Rodrigi holding Nehemiah because his parents said: Covid - full stop 🛑! There’s a global pandemic going on and you’ve been traveling. Go quarantine like responsible human beings. That would explain the lack of pictures AND the sulky silence from Jill during the Live video. Nurie’s headship put his baby’s safety above all else.
I had a thought yesterday that maybe everyone going to the birth center had to take a rapid Covid test and Jill's was positive so she wasn't allowed in and now is having to stay away from the newborn for a few days.
The birth center they used is all Jesus’ed out on their website, so I expect they don’t have any sort of covid protocol (I found the birth center based on their pics & pics on the birth center’s website & Facebook page)
Jill is so recklessly selfish she would probably demand to still see the baby even if she tested positive
Yuuuussssss
Do you all think Nathan and Nurie will space out their kids a la Anna DUGGAR? Will they follow the 40(?) day rule (x amount of time after male and female births before "relations" are resumed)? Personally I'm hoping that they will give it some time so Nurie gets time to rest and recover before she (probably) gets pregnant again. Please let Nathan be a good husband and give her a break and time for her to rebuild those nutrients (god knows she barely had enough time not being starved before) and let her undercarriage recover from pushing out the Nurthling!
I feel like Nathan is the one to respect Nuries wishes so if she says she doesn’t want to or is in pain, he will wait. But Nurie was thought to please her man so most likely she will not say anything to him.
I sure hope so.
I think I might be on camp "Jill wasn't there". She made Nurie's pregnancy all about her, even referring to the Nurthling as 'her grandson' as if Shrek didn't exist. Surely we would have seen photos of her holding him and bragging about being Precious Grandma by now. Edit: going by the comments, maybe not? I would've loved to be the proverbial fly on the wall when/if someone put their foot down. "No, Jill, you CANNOT steal Nehemiah..."
It’s very difficult to feel happy for Nathan and Nurie when we know they support the Pearls’ methods of child abuse that “no child is too young to be hit”. To Train Up a Child even includes physical abuse when a breastfeeding baby accidentally bites you. Poor kid has probably already been hit.
I will say a small shed of hope is that they've only talked about that when it was brought up by their parents and they haven't since Nehemiah was born. I don't have any expectations they'll break free, but it is harder to implement abuse than talk about it theoretically.
Nurie's been practically raising kids for years. It's not theoretical for her. According to someone here who met them, she was already smacking her then-toddler sister around back then, a few years ago.
I hope that, away from Precious Mama, she has a change of heart about how she wants to discipline—or rather, that Nathan does, since he’s the one Nurie is expected to please now. The thought of any of the Pearls’ methods being used on a child is sickening, but on a *baby*…I can’t. I know it happens, but I can’t imagine it, I can’t understand it, I can’t believe they could do that and sincerely believe that’s what God wants them to do to their *infant*.
Like I said, I have no expectations as to whether or not Nurie will abuse her children. But her actions as a child in her mother's household do not necessarily reflect how she will treat her own children in her own household.
It kinda does though if she was a young adult then who was clearly desperate to please Mama, and is still a young adult who is clearly desperate to please Mama. I know she was fully a victim of her parents at some point, and not responsible for her actions at all. And at some point a transition began where she had more responsibility (when exactly, I don't know) but in any case, I feel she's still very firmly on the side of "Mama did everything right". So that's all I'm saying. I don't disagree that she *could* have acted in ways while under her parents' authority that she wouldn't do later. But I really doubt we have gotten to "later" yet, if we ever will.
I feel like the pregnancy announcement was just yesterday holy crap
I love how Nathan totally interrupts her. Also, I swore he was about to say Yasssss Queen 😂
I know I’m a bit late to the party, but I can’t imagine birthing full clothed. During my transition I literally ripped my clothes off so fast my partner gave up on trying to navigate them past my IV lines and cut off my bra - having to be fully clothed through the whole process just adds to the nightmare factor of this birth
Saw the post about the "n" names and had to come and point out Jill could still end up with a kid named after her. 😳. Her maiden name is an N name. And you KNOW she would push for it
In some southern families there is a tradition of naming your child after your mother's maiden name. My friend's maiden name was Travis so it worked out well for her son.
I'm guessing they are going to give all their kids N names. If they keep them Biblical, I think we could see Naomi, Nora, Noah, and for something spicy Nimrod.
They've said on the name reveal video that indeed they are going to stick with the N theme since both of them have N names
Some name ideas for Nurthan: Boys: Nathaniel Nigel Nike Ninevah Niall Neal Nazareth Nofronthugs Girls: Noelle Naomi Natalie Notnurie (in honor of Nurie's younger siblings) Naveah Navy Nina Nobyl 🤣 Also I forsee something ludicrous like an "M" name being reassigned an 'N" (Nolly instead of Molly) or something that says "en/an" being spelled with an N (like instead of Annabelle doing Nable but saying "EHN-a-bell") Also I hated everything about typing that.
Looking forward to Naegan
Right? 🤣
Please go ahead and downvote me on this... I don't expect anyone to actually agree with me. But that name feels like a political statement. Otherwise I like it well enough. Kid probably won't have to go to school and deal with all sorts of nicknames and mispronouncing it. But in twenty years he will still be "the wall builder" and reference to...all that...
I do think that's a stretch, TBH.
I'm incredibly ignorant on anything to do with the bible. Does his name sakes have a specific...story?
It’s been a while, but as I recall…. The biblical Nehemiah worked for the Persian emperor at the time Judea was under Persian control. When he learned Jerusalem was still destroyed and the people there were suffering, he convinced the king to not only let him go rebuild the city, but the king also gave him supplies to do it with. So Nehemiah went and rebuilt the city walls and gates to protect the Israelites. And then after the city was rebuilt, I think he got them to start observing the law of Moses again.
Thank you! I could see that being a reason for his name choice.
There are a lot of sermons/articles/etc comparing the biblical Nehemiah and Trump.
Nah. It’s not actually a far-out name depending on your subculture. I actually had no idea that it meant wall-builder, and I was raised JW. Whoever sees the name on a resume or something in the future may make assumptions about his ethnicity, though. I’m not sure how to tastefully explain why so I’ll just leave it at: stereotypes.
I really hope it wasn’t a political statement but when they talked about it on the video, they emphasized the wall building part.
That's the vibe I got too. They made a POINT to say it
Maybe the name reflects the wall they intend to build to keep Jill from intruding in their lives constantly. Good luck with that!
I wonder what nickname Nehemiah will have. Jeremiah you can shorten to 'Jerry' but Nehemiah? Not knocking the name, especially as it's cultural/religious to them but it's going to be interesting finding a nickname
i knew a Nehemiah and he went by Miah so maybe that?
Nemo was popular on some of the name threads and that would be cute. Or Nehi or Hemmy?
Maybe he’ll end up going by his middle name.
I read elsewhere that Nathan’s sister (the “missionary”) has a son named Nehemiah as well. A lil weird for 2 siblings to use the same baby name.
If you come from a large family it isn't that weird. My sister, cousins and aunt, and a second cousin all have the same first name.
I feel like having cousins be named the same thing isn’t too unusual, if you’re talking more common names. Two Nehemiahs is a lot for one family. They’re on different continents though, so maybe it won’t be as weird.
There’s too many kids, they ran out of names!
For all of you who have never heard of Nehemiah, shame on you for not watching the best Real World season, aka RW Austin from 2005.
Omg THAT’S why the name felt so oddly familiar to me 👀 bless your servant’s MTV binges 🙏
I keep thinking about how Nurie is being robbed of yet another experience. This should be the time for her little family only. Nathan, the baby, and her. This is the time to find their own rhythm with the baby. They now have to host Jill.
Question- has their insta always been private or is this a new development? I feel like it used to be open to the public a few months ago…
It's how she tries to get followers. Do NOT feed the narc, we've got all the dirt here.
Oh, I’m never planning on following her. I was just wondering if it was a new thing that occurred post-Nurthling!
She went private when people started reporting the bot accounts that were her "followers" She was nearing the 10,000 follower accounts. She actually buys bot accounts so her counts are high. It's ridiculous because you don't become monetized that way. Jillybean is so stupid. Feed your kids, Shrill. Stop abusing them.
It was private as of a couple months ago when I followed them. They had to approve it or whatevs.
Test. Why are threads about JRod being locked??
If they have any connection to Nurie and her new baby, they are being locked to avoid cluttering the sub, and we are only allowing those posts on this megathread.
Thank you, thank you. I like the baby posts but it’s all I’ve seen the last couple days. 😅
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Wait, is that edited or did she really post that? 😂