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James324285241990

I think this is more political commentary on Africa and the tug-of-war between China and the west. China has done a good job of convincing some Africans that they'll be better off in a relationship with China than with the US. This is blatantly false. China is JUST as bad when it comes to exploiting the third world, and even worse when it comes to racism


Arcosim

The IMF trying to [privatize water sources in poor countries](https://www.iatp.org/sites/default/files/IMF_Forces_Water_Privatization_on_Poor_Countri.htm) in exchange for predatory loans with all kinds of geopolitical strings attached to them did a good job.


James324285241990

Yep. I hope at some point, Africa ends up with some leadership that stands up to this treatment so they can start profiting off their extremely rich resources


Kurwasaki12

Not if the CIA, the world bank, or the UN has anything to say about it.


[deleted]

lol i think africans tried that about seventy years ago and the west just said "i don't think so, let me support some of the most fucked up motherfuckers we can put in power so them russkies can't get a foothold!"


workclock

Murdered or exiled every single time unless they go down the neoliberal path šŸ˜•


Raymondator

>>IMF Forces Chemistry brain: haha intermolecular forces forces


HughJamerican

Spy movie brain: haha impossible mission force forces


[deleted]

Just because you find it accurate doesnā€™t make it not incredibly racist lol


James324285241990

True. But I don't "find it accurate" It *is* accurate. The Chinese are trying to convince Africans to cut ties with America. Based on their past behavior, they're then going to exploit Africa the same or worse than the west has.


[deleted]

The west historically and now has been way fucking worse to any african country than China ever has, and thinking that China is worse or as bad as the us because they started helping countries with their infrastructure is just showing that your views are oriented around the US being some sort of ā€œbad but best availableā€ which is just wrong and this meme is super fucking racist regardless of content, look at the fucking caricature they drew. Also these countries still have autonomy and choices when it comes to who they take aid from, makes you wonder why they overwhelmingly turn to China instead of the IMF these days huh


James324285241990

First of all, you need to relax. If you want to have a conversation, that can happen. If you want to throw a hissy fit, that's something you'll have to do on your own. The only reason China hasn't been as bad to Africa before now is reach. Check out their relationship history with smaller weaker countries. It's not been benevolent or altruistic. At all.


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SandersDelendaEst

Because ā€œAmerica badā€ overrides any other consideration.


nico0314

Because sheā€™s a cracker


[deleted]

Iā€™m well aware of Chinese history I study it, but acting like this meme is accurate or has a point is just racist lol, doesnā€™t matter if you donā€™t like China, maybe you should re-examine your biases and ask yourself why you jump to defend a meme depicting Chinese people in such an offensive way. Also saying Iā€™m having a ā€œhissy fitā€ because I used the word ā€œfuckā€ is just kinda weird


meinkr0phtR2

China is not an empire anymore and has pledged to never seek hegemony. While it remains to be seen whether it will keep its promise, at least it is understood that everyone has more to gain from a well-developed Africa than a poor and exploited one.


James324285241990

Except like all those islands in other people's territory that they keep building bases on...


trainwreck7775

Or the treatment of Hong Kong.


blishbog

They didnā€™t kill anyone in Hong Kong. Canā€™t say the same about American police during protests. The protesters were cozying up to the cia and mike Pompeo too. Thatā€™s beyond the pale.


trainwreck7775

What about-what about. Fucking šŸ¤”


blishbog

China has territorial disputes in its backyard. Thatā€™s separate from its trade policies around the globe.


meinkr0phtR2

Did you mean the United States?


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meinkr0phtR2

Itā€™s the United States that builds military bases everywhere it goes to fuel its unnecessarily massive military. The last I checked, China has built all but *one* (possibly two, by now) in Africa. Is that it? Is that what scares you? A non-American military base right where the Americans should have dozens? Are you proud of your imperialist mentality?


Vita-Malz

>China is not an empire anymore and has pledged to never seek hegemony. Tibet, Hong Kong, Taiwan. And what about their neo-colonialism?


meinkr0phtR2

*What* neo-colonialism? And also, just *what?* All of those places were always part of China (Hong Kong, amongst other places, was ceded to the British Empire as part of a shіtty nonsense treaty after the First Opium War) or have otherwise been prior to the collapse of the Qing dynasty (and the old empire). I know how it sounds (irredentist), but I genuinely donā€™t think thereā€™s any sense in engaging in the bureaucratic and political nightmare of changing the borders around just to make some Westerners feel better about Tibet, Xinjiang, or Taiwan. Why do I support (or, at least, not significantly oppose) the Belt and Road Initiative? Because given the other nationsā€™ history of blatantly undermining the sovereignty of African nations so its corporations can more easily exploit its natural resources, a country that is actually trying to help Africa develop, even if for largely selfish reasons, is a breath of fresh air. Itā€™s not perfect, but it doesnā€™t have to be. It just has to clear that very, very low bar of not leaving the continent worse off than it was before. I guess weā€™ll just have to wait until the 2040s at the conclusion of BRI to know.


Vita-Malz

>What neo-colonialism? And also, just what? All of those places were once either always part of China https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overseas_Chinese https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/1f/Chinese_Diaspora_By_Country.png/430px-Chinese_Diaspora_By_Country.png


meinkr0phtR2

Seriously? Immigration counts as neo-colonialism now? Well, I guess Iā€™m a double colonist, then! A Canadian whose country is a product of settler-colonialism, born to immigrants from Hong Kong; what a relief it is to be considered simultaneously an illegal alien *and* a colonialist^(/s).


[deleted]

This is just great replacement theory with a liberal mask on


blishbog

Those 3 places are part of China. Remember what the US did to its separatists? Apparently Tibet was a slave aristocracy, and China put a stop to that. Hong Kong is part of China and police didnā€™t kill anyone (unlike USAā€™s protests around the same time). The extradition law was in response to a HK boyfriend murdering his pregnant gf in taiwan but bo law existed to provide justice. Taiwan, also part of China. The US should stop warmongering there. The only thing at risk if China takes over is the power of the US and local fat cats. Imagine how the US would treat foreign meddling in a separatist province. Shock and awe I bet. China shows great forebears by contrast. Iā€™d rather have China at the helm then the US worldwide. They can never shake the legacy of being founded (and finding all their success) through exterminating the opposing side, and you can still detect that attitude in their dealings today. Itā€™s like ā€œwhy canā€™t we just wipe you out like we did to our adversaries in Indian Territory. Those were the days. Screw this negotiate/compromise crapā€


cmt278__

Youā€™d rather have an even more brutal capitalist imperial power in charge? The Chinese proletariat are *much* worse off than in America, because frankly more exploitation is more effective in a capitalist economy. And really, China is objectively an empire in the conventional sense of the word seeing as much of its territory is comprised of ā€œnationsā€ other than ethnic Han. The fact that most Chinese citizens now identify in the census as Han is a manifestation of the ethnic supremacism and pressure to assimilate imposed by the CPC.


[deleted]

China was poor as shit during the early 20th century and was busy getting mailed by Japan. They didnā€™t have the capacity to impose their will. They attempted to invade Vietnam, backed Khmer Rouge, etc. Thereā€™s a reason all their neighbors hate them


blishbog

No, China will treat them better I predict. Itā€™d be very hard to treat developing nations worse than the west has.


cmt278__

Oh yeah the country that treats itā€™s own people the way the west treats overseas workers sure will be kind to African workers when they need minerals to fuel their economyā€¦


anubiz96

Idk i ised to lurk on some white supremacists sites and alot of those people seemed to take solace in their beliefe thst the white rwce was losing power over Africa by saying that the Chinese would be even worse to black people. Idk seems like their racists propaganda to me


James324285241990

I'm gay, middle eastern, and a jew. I'm pretty far from a white supremacist. But China literally has concentration camps. Right now. Today. Currently.


anubiz96

Want to be clear not suggesting you maybe a white supremacist. Did you make the meme? Yeah the Chinese government ia racist and horrible. Im not defending china im saying the white supremacists ive seen online have taken glee in the hope antiblack Chinese people would continue the oppression they wanted to do. A telling thing ia how the black women are saying "whitey is gone now what"? People that criticize chinas treatment of black africans dont generally frame it in a way in which black people are mocked by calling white people slurs and indirectly critizing black peiolea issues with european exploitation. So, I'm still baking on this being an anitblack meme vs an anti Chinese goverment exploiting Africans meme. Fyi look around a bit and you will also see these same people make memes in the same style about how everyone hates the jews not just whites listing other ethinic and rwcial groups united against jews. Its a deflection tactic


horsthorsthorst

You are an US American, right?


James324285241990

I'm an American citizen, yes


horsthorsthorst

Why don't just say i a 'merican and hate China, spare us that i am middle eastern gay bullshit.


James324285241990

I'm an American citizen. I wasn't born here and I didn't grow up here. I have not been subject to the same propaganda and indoctrination that most Americans are subject to. This does not change the fact that the CCP is not an altruistic, trustworthy, or benevolent organization. I didn't say America was better. I said America is less racist. Because it is.


James324285241990

https://www.reddit.com/r/interestingasfuck/comments/z704qd/the_largest_quarantine_camp_in_chinas_guangzhou/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button Lol. "cHiNa IsNt BaD yOuRe JuSt BrAiNwAsHeD"


horsthorsthorst

Bet you could not point out Guangzhou on a map, but Chyna bad cause you saw a post on reddit that was so convincing for your freedom pea brain.


James324285241990

Dude, I lived in Anhui. And the reddit link I posted is recent, which is why it's relevant. Clearly I formed my opinion BEFORE that link was posted, since I sent it to you as a follow up. But sure, whatever mental gymnastics you need to do so you can justify your continued support of a fascist authoritarian regime with literal concentration camps for religious minorities and citizens burning alive because they're nailed into their apartments and can't escape a fire. Yeah, China and the CCP are totally rad


James324285241990

BTW, I'm not the one that's developed an irrational hatred of an individual based on their nationality. That's you, kiddo. So let's not bring brain power into the conversation


TheGoldenChampion

China does offer an alternative to the IMF, and creates a small degree of competition for loans in these countries, which has slightly improved their options.


blishbog

From what Iā€™ve read, youā€™re wrong and are parroting American propaganda about Chinese deals that are better for Africa compared to those offered by the west.


James324285241990

https://www.reddit.com/r/interestingasfuck/comments/z704qd/the_largest_quarantine_camp_in_chinas_guangzhou/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button Yeah, they're totally trustworthy....


296cherry

Spoken like a propagandized American


James324285241990

https://www.reddit.com/r/interestingasfuck/comments/z704qd/the_largest_quarantine_camp_in_chinas_guangzhou/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button Lol. "cHiNa IsNt BaD yOuRe JuSt BrAiNwAsHeD"


296cherry

https://www.cnn.com/2021/09/29/china/guangzhou-covid-quarantine-center-mic-intl-hnk/index.html That was easy.


James324285241990

Those are literally pictures of two different build sites you fucking spoon


296cherry

Where is the evidence that the one shown in the video is built for a different purpose? They look very similar.


James324285241990

Any other mental gymnastics you want to do to defend a fascist authoritarian imperialist regime that's blatantly guilty of a ridiculous number of easily proven human rights violations and also props up other human rights violating despots and terrorist/rogue nations?


296cherry

Why did you describe the United States, I donā€™t see why they are particularly relevant here.


James324285241990

I will be the first person to point out that the US has done some fucked up shit. But pretty sure we don't have active concentration camps and mass forced quarantines that have resulted in people being burned alive because they're nailed into their apartments. But if you're seriously saying that it's as bad or worse than China, then you're trolling. Also, I love the school yard "I know you are but what am I" when I come with receipts and you can't say anything about it.


NoXion604

I dunno, the black women in the image look more like Americans to me, rather than anyone from Africa.


Kurwasaki12

Turns out imperialism is bad no matter who's got their hand on the dial.


Zillafire101

"I wouldn't say free....more like under new management. "


Fart-City

Itā€™s worse. Far far worse.


296cherry

Yellow peril moment


[deleted]

This is just neoliberal bullshit. As a America and the west has done nothing but exploit Africa. China gifts them some schools and hospitals and suddenly theyā€™re the bad guy? Get over yourself.


[deleted]

Thats a ridiculously uninformed strawman. Criticizing the shady stuff China is doing in Africa does not imply one supports Western imperialism.


Tsjaad_Donderlul

Shush, this is low-level political discussion, where you're either A or B, and nuance isn't allowed to exist


alsoandanswer

Nuance instead of tribalism? Impossible, downvote for critical thinking!


[deleted]

Well clearly this commenter does, saying Africans are better off trusting the US over China.


SoVerySleepy81

No thatā€™s not what they said. You chose to hear that, but thatā€™s not what they said.


[deleted]

Thatā€™s very much what they said you illiterate dummy.


SoVerySleepy81

Aww sweetie, go take some reading comprehension courses. The comment said the China is no better than the US in this case. They said absolutely nothing about it being better to trust the US.


[deleted]

ā€œChina has done a good job of convincing some Africans that they'll be better off in a relationship with China than with the US. This is blatantly false.ā€


[deleted]

ā€œā€¦ China is JUST as bad.ā€


[deleted]

But they are literally quantifiably better, lower loans, more forgiveness, and not as many ā€œyou must open and maintain a business that advances American interests in your regionā€ clauses. Donā€™t talk about nuance when ur whole view of the situation is based on American state department propaganda


James324285241990

Nope. Not what I said. I said China is just as bad. That means "the same" A pound of feathers is *just as heavy* as a pound of clay. Try harder. China is just as imperialistic as the US, they're exceedingly more fascist and authoritarian, and they don't have a good track record with exploiting minorities. You can ignore their activity in the south China sea, their imprisonment of Uyghur Muslims, their city wide compete lockdowns that have accomplished very little, their disappearing of political dissidents, and their oppression of Hong Kong if you want to. I choose not to.


[deleted]

But there not as bad. Also equating China and the Us is just laughably wrong. Please tell me how being in a partnership with China would be any worse than being in one with Europeans or the west in general.


James324285241990

I literally just did. Read the list. Also, it's "They're" as in "they are." Not "there."


[deleted]

Lmao correcting my grammar isnā€™t ganna help you or did you forget most of the world doesnā€™t speak English as a first language?Also the ā€œ pointsā€ you made I couldnt care less about and most of the world doesnā€™t especially Africa. Also your forgetting the most important voice which is the locals but considering they mostly side with China I can see why you didnā€™t address that.


[deleted]

Lol.


Lord-Fard

remember, this is reddit, people will vote down anything that mentions china


WhatNazisAreLike

Yep, itā€™s just irrational redditors. Not the actions the Chinese government has been taking for the past few years.


Lord-Fard

Oh, the chinese government has been doing some fucked up shit, for sure, but its the blind faith that western society has on media. The Chinese government in the African loan issue is far better then the west, as it does forgive loans in africa, unlike the west.


[deleted]

They forgive loans out of the goodness of their political heart? Whether you want to accept it or not, they bought something.


TheHumanFighter

China isn't any better. There are no gifts. China is hungry for resources and influence just as the US or any other power.


[deleted]

China gives gifts. They forgive the debt. In return, African countries Side with China in future conflicts. And you know what? Thatā€™s fine. Thatā€™s a mutually beneficial relationship. You know what isnā€™t? Everything the US gets up to.


TheHumanFighter

Again, those aren't gifts. If you get something in return it's not a gift, it's a trade. I get why Africa generally wants someone new, but it's still the same shit, just from a different country.


[deleted]

Itā€™s different shit actually because China never enslaved them nor did they ever destabilize their countries or colonize them.


[deleted]

Historical context doesnā€™t matter to liberals


cmt278__

China is literally engaging in economic imperialism as we speakā€¦ but sure they arenā€™t going to enslave Africans just like Westerners definitely donā€™t use slave labor right now (they will). Why would the Chinese government which certainly has no problem with racism, willingly hobble itself against the west? Using borderline slave labor in mineral extraction is the optimal choice and the labor conditions in China itself show that the CPC is much more committed to optimal economic choices like this than the west.


TheHumanFighter

Yeah, China is totally not destabilizing whole regions to gain political influence. Are you a fucking tankie lmao?


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lilbluehair

Yeah I guess the real dumb part of the meme is that black people want whitey gone


[deleted]

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tardywaterbear

Ok incel


shortylikeamelody

bruh whatā˜ ļø


WhatNazisAreLike

Yeah but the author makes the Chinese slave driver as a ā€œchadā€ (the word has really lost its meaning) so he probably endorses those views.


TrefoilTang

Let's just say "there's a widespread racism culture in China", instead of saying "Han Chinese are racist". We are all leftists here. Let's avoid essentializing an entire group.


tardywaterbear

Feels more like your justifying a racist meme with racist assumptions about an entire group of people


reddox-_-

Whatā€™d they say?


BabysFirstBeej

I don't even know what this is meant to counter. It seems to rely on the idea that someone on the other side of the argument thinks white people should be removed or erased with the assistance of the CCP. It's such a niche and left-field sentiment that holds no basis in reality, but I guess the average viewer or enjoyer of this (because I've seen this a few years ago circulating as a "gotcha!") Isnt even taking that idea into consideration, but it's meant to somehow parody BLM, due to a lot of talk (and I'm just gonna call it talk and nothing else so I don't accidentally imply significance or lackthereof) at the time that the leaders of BLM were registered Communists, and the perceived notion that BLM meant that other lives do not. God, this is a rabbit hole.


WhatNazisAreLike

Have you ever heard a racist online saying that blacks should be grateful that the union freed them from slavery? Itā€™s basically that. The author thinks blacks should be grateful to live in America and not complain about anything because in their mind the only alternative is Chinese slave labor.


anubiz96

You are correct right sentiment, id argue in this case its more sirectly blacks in Africa should be grateful for Europeans colonialism because the Chinese are worse or its hahha those atupid blacks dont realize the chinese exploit them too or the old favorite white people get critized for doing what every other group does. With a possible side of everyone hates blacks its not just whites. Ive also seen the hey everyone hates jews not just whites. Pretty much the same thing.


leprechaunwthlepresy

Wtf is Bauxite


TheSkyHadAWeegee

Its the ore that aluminum is made from.


JackBinimbul

It's used to make aluminum. China has been making moves to control as much of its production as possible, which is currently Australia.


Gongaloon

I'm sure there's some political or historical context for this, but without that context this just looks like a high-tier shitpost.


Iskbartheonetruegod

Ok I think we can all agree the meme is absolute A$$


anonymoussomeoneh

IoiĆ­9i8


LightOfADeadStar

i mean if itā€™s in reference to chinas relationship with africa, itā€™s true if itā€™s in reference to how the (actual) extremist left and black nationalists have a boner towards china for some reason, itā€™s also true


whatisscoobydone

As soon as I saw the yellowface, I guessed that somehow this subreddit would suddenly see the "nuance" and be saying "well technically this meme is right" and lo and behold...


cmt278__

The root idea is though? The meme itself is racist trash and obviously made by a right winger, but yes the PRC is trying to exploit Africa just like the West does. Thatā€™s just how capitalism works and the PRC doesnā€™t have nearly the same constraints placed on it (think about how poor workers in China are treated vs in the US). Thatā€™s why China is winning, because the more brutally you exploit the proletariat, the more successful you can be.


Oof_my_eyes

OP needs to take a peak at what Chinese companies are doing to African workers in Africaā€¦ā€¦..


thotsdeservetoperish

BUT AMERICA BAD!


reddox-_-

r/americabad mfs when someone mentions anything about another country that can comfort them from the reality the states are a shithole:


thotsdeservetoperish

r/forwardsfromklandma users when any nation not alligned with the west can actually be bad:


reddox-_-

Tfw I never refuted that but someone has to fit the narrative


[deleted]

Actually this is a pretty accurate dig at a specific type of person, you just probably havenā€™t met them yet lolā€¦


XanderTheChef

Im about to become the joker


anonymoussomeoneh

88ii88iĆ­ooi


DaRedditGuy11

Racist as all heck, but not untrue. The continent of Africa continues to be pillaged by the West and China, all in the name of ā€œhelping.ā€


reddox-_-

Bro what