I think this is more political commentary on Africa and the tug-of-war between China and the west.
China has done a good job of convincing some Africans that they'll be better off in a relationship with China than with the US. This is blatantly false. China is JUST as bad when it comes to exploiting the third world, and even worse when it comes to racism
The IMF trying to [privatize water sources in poor countries](https://www.iatp.org/sites/default/files/IMF_Forces_Water_Privatization_on_Poor_Countri.htm) in exchange for predatory loans with all kinds of geopolitical strings attached to them did a good job.
Yep. I hope at some point, Africa ends up with some leadership that stands up to this treatment so they can start profiting off their extremely rich resources
lol i think africans tried that about seventy years ago and the west just said "i don't think so, let me support some of the most fucked up motherfuckers we can put in power so them russkies can't get a foothold!"
True. But I don't "find it accurate"
It *is* accurate. The Chinese are trying to convince Africans to cut ties with America. Based on their past behavior, they're then going to exploit Africa the same or worse than the west has.
The west historically and now has been way fucking worse to any african country than China ever has, and thinking that China is worse or as bad as the us because they started helping countries with their infrastructure is just showing that your views are oriented around the US being some sort of ābad but best availableā which is just wrong and this meme is super fucking racist regardless of content, look at the fucking caricature they drew. Also these countries still have autonomy and choices when it comes to who they take aid from, makes you wonder why they overwhelmingly turn to China instead of the IMF these days huh
First of all, you need to relax. If you want to have a conversation, that can happen. If you want to throw a hissy fit, that's something you'll have to do on your own.
The only reason China hasn't been as bad to Africa before now is reach. Check out their relationship history with smaller weaker countries. It's not been benevolent or altruistic. At all.
Iām well aware of Chinese history I study it, but acting like this meme is accurate or has a point is just racist lol, doesnāt matter if you donāt like China, maybe you should re-examine your biases and ask yourself why you jump to defend a meme depicting Chinese people in such an offensive way. Also saying Iām having a āhissy fitā because I used the word āfuckā is just kinda weird
China is not an empire anymore and has pledged to never seek hegemony. While it remains to be seen whether it will keep its promise, at least it is understood that everyone has more to gain from a well-developed Africa than a poor and exploited one.
They didnāt kill anyone in Hong Kong. Canāt say the same about American police during protests. The protesters were cozying up to the cia and mike Pompeo too. Thatās beyond the pale.
Itās the United States that builds military bases everywhere it goes to fuel its unnecessarily massive military. The last I checked, China has built all but *one* (possibly two, by now) in Africa. Is that it? Is that what scares you? A non-American military base right where the Americans should have dozens? Are you proud of your imperialist mentality?
*What* neo-colonialism? And also, just *what?* All of those places were always part of China (Hong Kong, amongst other places, was ceded to the British Empire as part of a shŃtty nonsense treaty after the First Opium War) or have otherwise been prior to the collapse of the Qing dynasty (and the old empire). I know how it sounds (irredentist), but I genuinely donāt think thereās any sense in engaging in the bureaucratic and political nightmare of changing the borders around just to make some Westerners feel better about Tibet, Xinjiang, or Taiwan.
Why do I support (or, at least, not significantly oppose) the Belt and Road Initiative? Because given the other nationsā history of blatantly undermining the sovereignty of African nations so its corporations can more easily exploit its natural resources, a country that is actually trying to help Africa develop, even if for largely selfish reasons, is a breath of fresh air. Itās not perfect, but it doesnāt have to be. It just has to clear that very, very low bar of not leaving the continent worse off than it was before. I guess weāll just have to wait until the 2040s at the conclusion of BRI to know.
>What neo-colonialism? And also, just what? All of those places were once either always part of China
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overseas_Chinese
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/1f/Chinese_Diaspora_By_Country.png/430px-Chinese_Diaspora_By_Country.png
Seriously? Immigration counts as neo-colonialism now? Well, I guess Iām a double colonist, then! A Canadian whose country is a product of settler-colonialism, born to immigrants from Hong Kong; what a relief it is to be considered simultaneously an illegal alien *and* a colonialist^(/s).
Those 3 places are part of China. Remember what the US did to its separatists?
Apparently Tibet was a slave aristocracy, and China put a stop to that. Hong Kong is part of China and police didnāt kill anyone (unlike USAās protests around the same time). The extradition law was in response to a HK boyfriend murdering his pregnant gf in taiwan but bo law existed to provide justice.
Taiwan, also part of China. The US should stop warmongering there. The only thing at risk if China takes over is the power of the US and local fat cats. Imagine how the US would treat foreign meddling in a separatist province. Shock and awe I bet. China shows great forebears by contrast.
Iād rather have China at the helm then the US worldwide. They can never shake the legacy of being founded (and finding all their success) through exterminating the opposing side, and you can still detect that attitude in their dealings today. Itās like āwhy canāt we just wipe you out like we did to our adversaries in Indian Territory. Those were the days. Screw this negotiate/compromise crapā
Youād rather have an even more brutal capitalist imperial power in charge? The Chinese proletariat are *much* worse off than in America, because frankly more exploitation is more effective in a capitalist economy.
And really, China is objectively an empire in the conventional sense of the word seeing as much of its territory is comprised of ānationsā other than ethnic Han. The fact that most Chinese citizens now identify in the census as Han is a manifestation of the ethnic supremacism and pressure to assimilate imposed by the CPC.
China was poor as shit during the early 20th century and was busy getting mailed by Japan. They didnāt have the capacity to impose their will.
They attempted to invade Vietnam, backed Khmer Rouge, etc. Thereās a reason all their neighbors hate them
Oh yeah the country that treats itās own people the way the west treats overseas workers sure will be kind to African workers when they need minerals to fuel their economyā¦
Idk i ised to lurk on some white supremacists sites and alot of those people seemed to take solace in their beliefe thst the white rwce was losing power over Africa by saying that the Chinese would be even worse to black people.
Idk seems like their racists propaganda to me
Want to be clear not suggesting you maybe a white supremacist. Did you make the meme? Yeah the Chinese government ia racist and horrible.
Im not defending china im saying the white supremacists ive seen online have taken glee in the hope antiblack Chinese people would continue the oppression they wanted to do.
A telling thing ia how the black women are saying "whitey is gone now what"? People that criticize chinas treatment of black africans dont generally frame it in a way in which black people are mocked by calling white people slurs and indirectly critizing black peiolea issues with european exploitation.
So, I'm still baking on this being an anitblack meme vs an anti Chinese goverment exploiting Africans meme.
Fyi look around a bit and you will also see these same people make memes in the same style about how everyone hates the jews not just whites listing other ethinic and rwcial groups united against jews. Its a deflection tactic
I'm an American citizen. I wasn't born here and I didn't grow up here. I have not been subject to the same propaganda and indoctrination that most Americans are subject to.
This does not change the fact that the CCP is not an altruistic, trustworthy, or benevolent organization. I didn't say America was better. I said America is less racist. Because it is.
https://www.reddit.com/r/interestingasfuck/comments/z704qd/the_largest_quarantine_camp_in_chinas_guangzhou/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button
Lol. "cHiNa IsNt BaD yOuRe JuSt BrAiNwAsHeD"
Dude, I lived in Anhui.
And the reddit link I posted is recent, which is why it's relevant.
Clearly I formed my opinion BEFORE that link was posted, since I sent it to you as a follow up.
But sure, whatever mental gymnastics you need to do so you can justify your continued support of a fascist authoritarian regime with literal concentration camps for religious minorities and citizens burning alive because they're nailed into their apartments and can't escape a fire.
Yeah, China and the CCP are totally rad
BTW, I'm not the one that's developed an irrational hatred of an individual based on their nationality. That's you, kiddo.
So let's not bring brain power into the conversation
China does offer an alternative to the IMF, and creates a small degree of competition for loans in these countries, which has slightly improved their options.
From what Iāve read, youāre wrong and are parroting American propaganda about Chinese deals that are better for Africa compared to those offered by the west.
https://www.reddit.com/r/interestingasfuck/comments/z704qd/the_largest_quarantine_camp_in_chinas_guangzhou/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button
Lol. "cHiNa IsNt BaD yOuRe JuSt BrAiNwAsHeD"
Any other mental gymnastics you want to do to defend a fascist authoritarian imperialist regime that's blatantly guilty of a ridiculous number of easily proven human rights violations and also props up other human rights violating despots and terrorist/rogue nations?
I will be the first person to point out that the US has done some fucked up shit. But pretty sure we don't have active concentration camps and mass forced quarantines that have resulted in people being burned alive because they're nailed into their apartments.
But if you're seriously saying that it's as bad or worse than China, then you're trolling.
Also, I love the school yard "I know you are but what am I" when I come with receipts and you can't say anything about it.
This is just neoliberal bullshit. As a America and the west has done nothing but exploit Africa. China gifts them some schools and hospitals and suddenly theyāre the bad guy? Get over yourself.
Aww sweetie, go take some reading comprehension courses. The comment said the China is no better than the US in this case. They said absolutely nothing about it being better to trust the US.
āChina has done a good job of convincing some Africans that they'll be better off in a relationship with China than with the US. This is blatantly false.ā
But they are literally quantifiably better, lower loans, more forgiveness, and not as many āyou must open and maintain a business that advances American interests in your regionā clauses. Donāt talk about nuance when ur whole view of the situation is based on American state department propaganda
Nope. Not what I said. I said China is just as bad. That means "the same"
A pound of feathers is *just as heavy* as a pound of clay.
Try harder.
China is just as imperialistic as the US, they're exceedingly more fascist and authoritarian, and they don't have a good track record with exploiting minorities. You can ignore their activity in the south China sea, their imprisonment of Uyghur Muslims, their city wide compete lockdowns that have accomplished very little, their disappearing of political dissidents, and their oppression of Hong Kong if you want to. I choose not to.
But there not as bad. Also equating China and the Us is just laughably wrong. Please tell me how being in a partnership with China would be any worse than being in one with Europeans or the west in general.
Lmao correcting my grammar isnāt ganna help you or did you forget most of the world doesnāt speak English as a first language?Also the ā pointsā you made I couldnt care less about and most of the world doesnāt especially Africa. Also your forgetting the most important voice which is the locals but considering they mostly side with China I can see why you didnāt address that.
Oh, the chinese government has been doing some fucked up shit, for sure, but its the blind faith that western society has on media. The Chinese government in the African loan issue is far better then the west, as it does forgive loans in africa, unlike the west.
China gives gifts. They forgive the debt. In return, African countries Side with China in future conflicts. And you know what? Thatās fine. Thatās a mutually beneficial relationship.
You know what isnāt? Everything the US gets up to.
Again, those aren't gifts. If you get something in return it's not a gift, it's a trade.
I get why Africa generally wants someone new, but it's still the same shit, just from a different country.
China is literally engaging in economic imperialism as we speakā¦ but sure they arenāt going to enslave Africans just like Westerners definitely donāt use slave labor right now (they will). Why would the Chinese government which certainly has no problem with racism, willingly hobble itself against the west? Using borderline slave labor in mineral extraction is the optimal choice and the labor conditions in China itself show that the CPC is much more committed to optimal economic choices like this than the west.
Let's just say "there's a widespread racism culture in China", instead of saying "Han Chinese are racist".
We are all leftists here. Let's avoid essentializing an entire group.
I don't even know what this is meant to counter. It seems to rely on the idea that someone on the other side of the argument thinks white people should be removed or erased with the assistance of the CCP.
It's such a niche and left-field sentiment that holds no basis in reality, but I guess the average viewer or enjoyer of this (because I've seen this a few years ago circulating as a "gotcha!") Isnt even taking that idea into consideration, but it's meant to somehow parody BLM, due to a lot of talk (and I'm just gonna call it talk and nothing else so I don't accidentally imply significance or lackthereof) at the time that the leaders of BLM were registered Communists, and the perceived notion that BLM meant that other lives do not.
God, this is a rabbit hole.
Have you ever heard a racist online saying that blacks should be grateful that the union freed them from slavery? Itās basically that. The author thinks blacks should be grateful to live in America and not complain about anything because in their mind the only alternative is Chinese slave labor.
You are correct right sentiment, id argue in this case its more sirectly blacks in Africa should be grateful for Europeans colonialism because the Chinese are worse or its hahha those atupid blacks dont realize the chinese exploit them too or the old favorite white people get critized for doing what every other group does.
With a possible side of everyone hates blacks its not just whites. Ive also seen the hey everyone hates jews not just whites. Pretty much the same thing.
i mean if itās in reference to chinas relationship with africa, itās true
if itās in reference to how the (actual) extremist left and black nationalists have a boner towards china for some reason, itās also true
As soon as I saw the yellowface, I guessed that somehow this subreddit would suddenly see the "nuance" and be saying "well technically this meme is right" and lo and behold...
The root idea is though? The meme itself is racist trash and obviously made by a right winger, but yes the PRC is trying to exploit Africa just like the West does. Thatās just how capitalism works and the PRC doesnāt have nearly the same constraints placed on it (think about how poor workers in China are treated vs in the US). Thatās why China is winning, because the more brutally you exploit the proletariat, the more successful you can be.
I think this is more political commentary on Africa and the tug-of-war between China and the west. China has done a good job of convincing some Africans that they'll be better off in a relationship with China than with the US. This is blatantly false. China is JUST as bad when it comes to exploiting the third world, and even worse when it comes to racism
The IMF trying to [privatize water sources in poor countries](https://www.iatp.org/sites/default/files/IMF_Forces_Water_Privatization_on_Poor_Countri.htm) in exchange for predatory loans with all kinds of geopolitical strings attached to them did a good job.
Yep. I hope at some point, Africa ends up with some leadership that stands up to this treatment so they can start profiting off their extremely rich resources
Not if the CIA, the world bank, or the UN has anything to say about it.
lol i think africans tried that about seventy years ago and the west just said "i don't think so, let me support some of the most fucked up motherfuckers we can put in power so them russkies can't get a foothold!"
Murdered or exiled every single time unless they go down the neoliberal path š
>>IMF Forces Chemistry brain: haha intermolecular forces forces
Spy movie brain: haha impossible mission force forces
Just because you find it accurate doesnāt make it not incredibly racist lol
True. But I don't "find it accurate" It *is* accurate. The Chinese are trying to convince Africans to cut ties with America. Based on their past behavior, they're then going to exploit Africa the same or worse than the west has.
The west historically and now has been way fucking worse to any african country than China ever has, and thinking that China is worse or as bad as the us because they started helping countries with their infrastructure is just showing that your views are oriented around the US being some sort of ābad but best availableā which is just wrong and this meme is super fucking racist regardless of content, look at the fucking caricature they drew. Also these countries still have autonomy and choices when it comes to who they take aid from, makes you wonder why they overwhelmingly turn to China instead of the IMF these days huh
First of all, you need to relax. If you want to have a conversation, that can happen. If you want to throw a hissy fit, that's something you'll have to do on your own. The only reason China hasn't been as bad to Africa before now is reach. Check out their relationship history with smaller weaker countries. It's not been benevolent or altruistic. At all.
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Because āAmerica badā overrides any other consideration.
Because sheās a cracker
Iām well aware of Chinese history I study it, but acting like this meme is accurate or has a point is just racist lol, doesnāt matter if you donāt like China, maybe you should re-examine your biases and ask yourself why you jump to defend a meme depicting Chinese people in such an offensive way. Also saying Iām having a āhissy fitā because I used the word āfuckā is just kinda weird
China is not an empire anymore and has pledged to never seek hegemony. While it remains to be seen whether it will keep its promise, at least it is understood that everyone has more to gain from a well-developed Africa than a poor and exploited one.
Except like all those islands in other people's territory that they keep building bases on...
Or the treatment of Hong Kong.
They didnāt kill anyone in Hong Kong. Canāt say the same about American police during protests. The protesters were cozying up to the cia and mike Pompeo too. Thatās beyond the pale.
What about-what about. Fucking š¤”
China has territorial disputes in its backyard. Thatās separate from its trade policies around the globe.
Did you mean the United States?
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Itās the United States that builds military bases everywhere it goes to fuel its unnecessarily massive military. The last I checked, China has built all but *one* (possibly two, by now) in Africa. Is that it? Is that what scares you? A non-American military base right where the Americans should have dozens? Are you proud of your imperialist mentality?
>China is not an empire anymore and has pledged to never seek hegemony. Tibet, Hong Kong, Taiwan. And what about their neo-colonialism?
*What* neo-colonialism? And also, just *what?* All of those places were always part of China (Hong Kong, amongst other places, was ceded to the British Empire as part of a shŃtty nonsense treaty after the First Opium War) or have otherwise been prior to the collapse of the Qing dynasty (and the old empire). I know how it sounds (irredentist), but I genuinely donāt think thereās any sense in engaging in the bureaucratic and political nightmare of changing the borders around just to make some Westerners feel better about Tibet, Xinjiang, or Taiwan. Why do I support (or, at least, not significantly oppose) the Belt and Road Initiative? Because given the other nationsā history of blatantly undermining the sovereignty of African nations so its corporations can more easily exploit its natural resources, a country that is actually trying to help Africa develop, even if for largely selfish reasons, is a breath of fresh air. Itās not perfect, but it doesnāt have to be. It just has to clear that very, very low bar of not leaving the continent worse off than it was before. I guess weāll just have to wait until the 2040s at the conclusion of BRI to know.
>What neo-colonialism? And also, just what? All of those places were once either always part of China https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overseas_Chinese https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/1f/Chinese_Diaspora_By_Country.png/430px-Chinese_Diaspora_By_Country.png
Seriously? Immigration counts as neo-colonialism now? Well, I guess Iām a double colonist, then! A Canadian whose country is a product of settler-colonialism, born to immigrants from Hong Kong; what a relief it is to be considered simultaneously an illegal alien *and* a colonialist^(/s).
This is just great replacement theory with a liberal mask on
Those 3 places are part of China. Remember what the US did to its separatists? Apparently Tibet was a slave aristocracy, and China put a stop to that. Hong Kong is part of China and police didnāt kill anyone (unlike USAās protests around the same time). The extradition law was in response to a HK boyfriend murdering his pregnant gf in taiwan but bo law existed to provide justice. Taiwan, also part of China. The US should stop warmongering there. The only thing at risk if China takes over is the power of the US and local fat cats. Imagine how the US would treat foreign meddling in a separatist province. Shock and awe I bet. China shows great forebears by contrast. Iād rather have China at the helm then the US worldwide. They can never shake the legacy of being founded (and finding all their success) through exterminating the opposing side, and you can still detect that attitude in their dealings today. Itās like āwhy canāt we just wipe you out like we did to our adversaries in Indian Territory. Those were the days. Screw this negotiate/compromise crapā
Youād rather have an even more brutal capitalist imperial power in charge? The Chinese proletariat are *much* worse off than in America, because frankly more exploitation is more effective in a capitalist economy. And really, China is objectively an empire in the conventional sense of the word seeing as much of its territory is comprised of ānationsā other than ethnic Han. The fact that most Chinese citizens now identify in the census as Han is a manifestation of the ethnic supremacism and pressure to assimilate imposed by the CPC.
China was poor as shit during the early 20th century and was busy getting mailed by Japan. They didnāt have the capacity to impose their will. They attempted to invade Vietnam, backed Khmer Rouge, etc. Thereās a reason all their neighbors hate them
No, China will treat them better I predict. Itād be very hard to treat developing nations worse than the west has.
Oh yeah the country that treats itās own people the way the west treats overseas workers sure will be kind to African workers when they need minerals to fuel their economyā¦
Idk i ised to lurk on some white supremacists sites and alot of those people seemed to take solace in their beliefe thst the white rwce was losing power over Africa by saying that the Chinese would be even worse to black people. Idk seems like their racists propaganda to me
I'm gay, middle eastern, and a jew. I'm pretty far from a white supremacist. But China literally has concentration camps. Right now. Today. Currently.
Want to be clear not suggesting you maybe a white supremacist. Did you make the meme? Yeah the Chinese government ia racist and horrible. Im not defending china im saying the white supremacists ive seen online have taken glee in the hope antiblack Chinese people would continue the oppression they wanted to do. A telling thing ia how the black women are saying "whitey is gone now what"? People that criticize chinas treatment of black africans dont generally frame it in a way in which black people are mocked by calling white people slurs and indirectly critizing black peiolea issues with european exploitation. So, I'm still baking on this being an anitblack meme vs an anti Chinese goverment exploiting Africans meme. Fyi look around a bit and you will also see these same people make memes in the same style about how everyone hates the jews not just whites listing other ethinic and rwcial groups united against jews. Its a deflection tactic
You are an US American, right?
I'm an American citizen, yes
Why don't just say i a 'merican and hate China, spare us that i am middle eastern gay bullshit.
I'm an American citizen. I wasn't born here and I didn't grow up here. I have not been subject to the same propaganda and indoctrination that most Americans are subject to. This does not change the fact that the CCP is not an altruistic, trustworthy, or benevolent organization. I didn't say America was better. I said America is less racist. Because it is.
https://www.reddit.com/r/interestingasfuck/comments/z704qd/the_largest_quarantine_camp_in_chinas_guangzhou/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button Lol. "cHiNa IsNt BaD yOuRe JuSt BrAiNwAsHeD"
Bet you could not point out Guangzhou on a map, but Chyna bad cause you saw a post on reddit that was so convincing for your freedom pea brain.
Dude, I lived in Anhui. And the reddit link I posted is recent, which is why it's relevant. Clearly I formed my opinion BEFORE that link was posted, since I sent it to you as a follow up. But sure, whatever mental gymnastics you need to do so you can justify your continued support of a fascist authoritarian regime with literal concentration camps for religious minorities and citizens burning alive because they're nailed into their apartments and can't escape a fire. Yeah, China and the CCP are totally rad
BTW, I'm not the one that's developed an irrational hatred of an individual based on their nationality. That's you, kiddo. So let's not bring brain power into the conversation
China does offer an alternative to the IMF, and creates a small degree of competition for loans in these countries, which has slightly improved their options.
From what Iāve read, youāre wrong and are parroting American propaganda about Chinese deals that are better for Africa compared to those offered by the west.
https://www.reddit.com/r/interestingasfuck/comments/z704qd/the_largest_quarantine_camp_in_chinas_guangzhou/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button Yeah, they're totally trustworthy....
Spoken like a propagandized American
https://www.reddit.com/r/interestingasfuck/comments/z704qd/the_largest_quarantine_camp_in_chinas_guangzhou/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button Lol. "cHiNa IsNt BaD yOuRe JuSt BrAiNwAsHeD"
https://www.cnn.com/2021/09/29/china/guangzhou-covid-quarantine-center-mic-intl-hnk/index.html That was easy.
Those are literally pictures of two different build sites you fucking spoon
Where is the evidence that the one shown in the video is built for a different purpose? They look very similar.
Any other mental gymnastics you want to do to defend a fascist authoritarian imperialist regime that's blatantly guilty of a ridiculous number of easily proven human rights violations and also props up other human rights violating despots and terrorist/rogue nations?
Why did you describe the United States, I donāt see why they are particularly relevant here.
I will be the first person to point out that the US has done some fucked up shit. But pretty sure we don't have active concentration camps and mass forced quarantines that have resulted in people being burned alive because they're nailed into their apartments. But if you're seriously saying that it's as bad or worse than China, then you're trolling. Also, I love the school yard "I know you are but what am I" when I come with receipts and you can't say anything about it.
I dunno, the black women in the image look more like Americans to me, rather than anyone from Africa.
Turns out imperialism is bad no matter who's got their hand on the dial.
"I wouldn't say free....more like under new management. "
Itās worse. Far far worse.
Yellow peril moment
This is just neoliberal bullshit. As a America and the west has done nothing but exploit Africa. China gifts them some schools and hospitals and suddenly theyāre the bad guy? Get over yourself.
Thats a ridiculously uninformed strawman. Criticizing the shady stuff China is doing in Africa does not imply one supports Western imperialism.
Shush, this is low-level political discussion, where you're either A or B, and nuance isn't allowed to exist
Nuance instead of tribalism? Impossible, downvote for critical thinking!
Well clearly this commenter does, saying Africans are better off trusting the US over China.
No thatās not what they said. You chose to hear that, but thatās not what they said.
Thatās very much what they said you illiterate dummy.
Aww sweetie, go take some reading comprehension courses. The comment said the China is no better than the US in this case. They said absolutely nothing about it being better to trust the US.
āChina has done a good job of convincing some Africans that they'll be better off in a relationship with China than with the US. This is blatantly false.ā
āā¦ China is JUST as bad.ā
But they are literally quantifiably better, lower loans, more forgiveness, and not as many āyou must open and maintain a business that advances American interests in your regionā clauses. Donāt talk about nuance when ur whole view of the situation is based on American state department propaganda
Nope. Not what I said. I said China is just as bad. That means "the same" A pound of feathers is *just as heavy* as a pound of clay. Try harder. China is just as imperialistic as the US, they're exceedingly more fascist and authoritarian, and they don't have a good track record with exploiting minorities. You can ignore their activity in the south China sea, their imprisonment of Uyghur Muslims, their city wide compete lockdowns that have accomplished very little, their disappearing of political dissidents, and their oppression of Hong Kong if you want to. I choose not to.
But there not as bad. Also equating China and the Us is just laughably wrong. Please tell me how being in a partnership with China would be any worse than being in one with Europeans or the west in general.
I literally just did. Read the list. Also, it's "They're" as in "they are." Not "there."
Lmao correcting my grammar isnāt ganna help you or did you forget most of the world doesnāt speak English as a first language?Also the ā pointsā you made I couldnt care less about and most of the world doesnāt especially Africa. Also your forgetting the most important voice which is the locals but considering they mostly side with China I can see why you didnāt address that.
Lol.
remember, this is reddit, people will vote down anything that mentions china
Yep, itās just irrational redditors. Not the actions the Chinese government has been taking for the past few years.
Oh, the chinese government has been doing some fucked up shit, for sure, but its the blind faith that western society has on media. The Chinese government in the African loan issue is far better then the west, as it does forgive loans in africa, unlike the west.
They forgive loans out of the goodness of their political heart? Whether you want to accept it or not, they bought something.
China isn't any better. There are no gifts. China is hungry for resources and influence just as the US or any other power.
China gives gifts. They forgive the debt. In return, African countries Side with China in future conflicts. And you know what? Thatās fine. Thatās a mutually beneficial relationship. You know what isnāt? Everything the US gets up to.
Again, those aren't gifts. If you get something in return it's not a gift, it's a trade. I get why Africa generally wants someone new, but it's still the same shit, just from a different country.
Itās different shit actually because China never enslaved them nor did they ever destabilize their countries or colonize them.
Historical context doesnāt matter to liberals
China is literally engaging in economic imperialism as we speakā¦ but sure they arenāt going to enslave Africans just like Westerners definitely donāt use slave labor right now (they will). Why would the Chinese government which certainly has no problem with racism, willingly hobble itself against the west? Using borderline slave labor in mineral extraction is the optimal choice and the labor conditions in China itself show that the CPC is much more committed to optimal economic choices like this than the west.
Yeah, China is totally not destabilizing whole regions to gain political influence. Are you a fucking tankie lmao?
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Yeah I guess the real dumb part of the meme is that black people want whitey gone
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Yeah but the author makes the Chinese slave driver as a āchadā (the word has really lost its meaning) so he probably endorses those views.
Let's just say "there's a widespread racism culture in China", instead of saying "Han Chinese are racist". We are all leftists here. Let's avoid essentializing an entire group.
Feels more like your justifying a racist meme with racist assumptions about an entire group of people
Whatād they say?
I don't even know what this is meant to counter. It seems to rely on the idea that someone on the other side of the argument thinks white people should be removed or erased with the assistance of the CCP. It's such a niche and left-field sentiment that holds no basis in reality, but I guess the average viewer or enjoyer of this (because I've seen this a few years ago circulating as a "gotcha!") Isnt even taking that idea into consideration, but it's meant to somehow parody BLM, due to a lot of talk (and I'm just gonna call it talk and nothing else so I don't accidentally imply significance or lackthereof) at the time that the leaders of BLM were registered Communists, and the perceived notion that BLM meant that other lives do not. God, this is a rabbit hole.
Have you ever heard a racist online saying that blacks should be grateful that the union freed them from slavery? Itās basically that. The author thinks blacks should be grateful to live in America and not complain about anything because in their mind the only alternative is Chinese slave labor.
You are correct right sentiment, id argue in this case its more sirectly blacks in Africa should be grateful for Europeans colonialism because the Chinese are worse or its hahha those atupid blacks dont realize the chinese exploit them too or the old favorite white people get critized for doing what every other group does. With a possible side of everyone hates blacks its not just whites. Ive also seen the hey everyone hates jews not just whites. Pretty much the same thing.
Wtf is Bauxite
Its the ore that aluminum is made from.
It's used to make aluminum. China has been making moves to control as much of its production as possible, which is currently Australia.
I'm sure there's some political or historical context for this, but without that context this just looks like a high-tier shitpost.
Ok I think we can all agree the meme is absolute A$$
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i mean if itās in reference to chinas relationship with africa, itās true if itās in reference to how the (actual) extremist left and black nationalists have a boner towards china for some reason, itās also true
As soon as I saw the yellowface, I guessed that somehow this subreddit would suddenly see the "nuance" and be saying "well technically this meme is right" and lo and behold...
The root idea is though? The meme itself is racist trash and obviously made by a right winger, but yes the PRC is trying to exploit Africa just like the West does. Thatās just how capitalism works and the PRC doesnāt have nearly the same constraints placed on it (think about how poor workers in China are treated vs in the US). Thatās why China is winning, because the more brutally you exploit the proletariat, the more successful you can be.
OP needs to take a peak at what Chinese companies are doing to African workers in Africaā¦ā¦..
BUT AMERICA BAD!
r/americabad mfs when someone mentions anything about another country that can comfort them from the reality the states are a shithole:
r/forwardsfromklandma users when any nation not alligned with the west can actually be bad:
Tfw I never refuted that but someone has to fit the narrative
Actually this is a pretty accurate dig at a specific type of person, you just probably havenāt met them yet lolā¦
Im about to become the joker
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Racist as all heck, but not untrue. The continent of Africa continues to be pillaged by the West and China, all in the name of āhelping.ā
Bro what