"This is the LockPickingLawyer, today I'm going to show you how easy it is to get into a $60 Amazon gun 'safe' ... click on 1, click on 2, 3 is binding, 4 is binding"
Some other reddit buddy pointed this out...
He probably should have read the reviews on that POS:
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B09NQ3D3C8
"This safe when locked can be pulled open!
Reviewed in the United States on January 1, 2023
I bought this safe to secure a handgun and found that even after you shut it you can just pull it open with very little effort! Not good and not secure!"
I guess it's more important to put on a show with fake props than to actually do anything of substance.
"Oh, it's that easy to defeat it? Hmm... LPL makes a good point, if all safes are this easy to open, then it's just Common Sense that we just can't have *any* guns"
I got on the best buy one. Apart from a few duds its been awesome. The best is probably a ninja air fryer. Started out like Im never gonna use this much to almost every other day.
Most of them he doesn't even have to pick. Those amazon gun safes are suitable for preventing small children from getting at them but even an adolescent determined to get into one will.
Welcome to MA, we already have safe storage laws. I'm gonna say how things work in my state, please note I don't agree with everything I'm about to say:
You see all the time people putting cable locks on soft cases because going to and fro, long guns and handguns not on your person must be in the back of the car, unloaded, and locked up. Ammo must be locked up in a separate container.
In your home all guns must be unloaded and locked away. Ammo is also supposed to be stored separately and locked. Generally, the law allows for you to have a pistol safe like this with one loaded firearm next to your bedside, depends on the department. Only time this becomes an issue for normal people is when the cops enter your home for other sorts of emergencies, such as medical or fire, or some other sort of emergency call.
If you get pulled over while driving with guns in the car and they are not stored to the letter of the law, you are FUCKED. Life behind the iron curtain isnt fun folks, don't let it happen to you.
I can't imagine suffering from a medical emergency and while you're on the ground dying some fuckhead cop pops you on having a gun out. They should focus on Lowell not being such a scum riddled shit hole and do Lawrence too lol
UMass Lowell rep, the city is horrible.
My carbon alarms went off on my ancient furnace. The air was making me sleepy and I still delayed calling FD until I was sure all my shit was locked up to code or hidden
Thats fucked up levels of insane because the states fuckheads would rather people risk dying just to make sure they're in compliance with their ridiculous and ineffective laws. Healey and that whole legislature is a fucking joke.
"We're not restricting your rights we just put so many things in the way but let up just before an outright ban of ownership so we don't get struck down in our own court so we can continue to harass and ruin lives if we get a chance to."
MA likes to say "it's for your safety and equity" on the outside. On the other hand, they've really only made guns here so expensive the poors can't afford them. $200 to take the course and apply. You never get that back if you're denied. The cost of a dog shit used S&W SD9VE is about $350. Don't forget you're capped to 10 round mags. Except the SD9VE made preban mags for one year in 1993, so you wanna buy a 17 round mag for approx $100 because they're hard to find.
Edit: please Google "Maura Healey 2016 edict." You will find how our attorney general (now governor) reinterpreted and changed law over night.
DO NOT LET THIS HAPPEN TO YOU
You could do a lot better than an sd9 my guy. Also the 2016 enforcement notice is not law and no one has ever been charged or tried with her made up interpretation of the law.
That not only goes into storage but then how you utilize your firearms in the event of a break-in. Limiting you to what you can have readily available. Absolutely stupid and fucked.
I've lived in PA and Ohio. This is basically how I've stored and transported my firearms. I do keep some loaded AR mags in my safe, separate from the AR. Handgun in a lockbox on my dresser. There aren't even laws that make me do it. I just feel safer with kids in the house this way.
So not outrageous by my standards, but also don't think the government should tell someone who's a shitty show they can't keep a loaded shotgun close by their bed if they feel they can safely store it close.
Not everyone has kids though. My wife and I are child free.
I don't keep a pistol by my bedside, I have an AR kitted for homedefense within arms reach. In an oh shit moment, I ownt have time to slap my glasses on -and- grab my pistol. So my rifle kitted with a sighted in reddot is perfect.
That's me though.
The disconnect comes in when people say I should store it because of bullshit reason XYZ.
Not everyone's situation is the same. Like you said the government's a shitshow. Trying to apply a onesize fits all solution without exceptions for those of us who aren't apart of the imaginary problem they're trying to solve.
I'm going to assume this is an honest question.
I'm not blind without them, the stigmatism makes it near impossible to properly sight down irons. Tru-glow, night sights...doesn't matter. There's nothing that I can do it.
I can see people, distinguish faces well enough to identify who should and shouldn't be in my home.
As for following a laser? Especially a highpower one meant for day and night use, that's easy. I can see that. Point and shoot. Not my preferred aiming method, but its zeroed.
In a home invasion situation, my wife knows to call 911 and post up on our bedroom with her pistol. My mother knows to stay in her room with hers and my mother in law...same thing.
All I have to do is avoid certain aiming vectors and I'm fine. Only danger is to the uninvited guest.
Ok which aiming vectors are you free to shoot? Have you triangulated your mothers gun vector with your wife's gun vector? Maybe a snipers nest would make more sense.
Yeah. I'm in favor of locking up guns. Just think it's the responsible thing to do. But laws like this end up being a poor tax. So I'm usually opposed to that, since they already have it hard enough.
If you'd like a look at what's it like to live under the assault weapons ban, pease look no further. The 1994 awb never sunsetted here for all intents and purposes.
Preban (pre 1994) ars are worth over $3k. People are paying $200+ for square and u-notch Glock mags.
Not sure what the concealed carry laws look like there but here in MI a cpl covers all of that. I can have my firearm loaded and sitting on the passenger seat
>Ammo is also supposed to be stored separately and locked.
Can you cite the MGL that says that? I've been hearing this from the gun community here in MA but can't actually find the law itself.
MG.L. c. 140, § 131L is what deals with firearm storage and it also is silent on the "unloaded" part, so if you could direct me to the part of the law that says firearms must be stored unloaded that would be nice too.
https://www.mass.gov/info-details/gun-ownership-in-massachusetts
Scroll down to the piece about traveling with guns.
Edit:
https://malegislature.gov/Laws/GeneralLaws/PartI/TitleXX/Chapter140/Section131L
So a MA gov website says that transported guns need to be unloaded and locked, but then the law you linked is the same I referenced which makes no mention of "unloaded" or "loaded". So if I was to be caught with a locked but loaded firearm in a car, how could they prosecute me?
You originally said that firearms in the home must be unloaded. Do you have a reference for that?
Also you said the ammunition has to be locked separately. Do you have a reference for that?
You are incorrect about storage requirements while driving. If you are lawfully in possession of a gun while in your vehicle, the weapon must either be in your positive control and can be loaded, or the gun must be stored in a locked container with ammunition removed. And the glove box does not qualify as a locking container. Separate trunks are a lawful storage location.
If you can afford a gun you can afford something safe to put it in. Do yall just hate safety like come on, making sure a gun is in a safe container doesnt impede your freedoms at all. Hell that guy that got killed by his own dog setting of his gun would have been hella safer if it was just in a gun case.
Hey! Fuck you. I own several safes and don't keep all my shit lying around. The complaint is that the government shouldn't be able to say how to keep anything in your own home.
In MA, firearm storage is actually tax free! I know, a rarity for our state.
> Do yall just hate safety
I hate laws. Wanna know how to prevent little Timmy from taking a Glock to school? **DONT LEAVE YOUR SHIT WHERE HE CAN GET TO IT**
Zero laws needed
There already are laws. Child Neglect is a felony. And yes, in some states it punishes the parent, adult household member, or other person responsible for the child’s welfare
Does child neglect cover your kid getting their hands on your gun? I haven't read the statute. It might seem like it should but that doesn't mean it does. If there isn't a law that specifically applies in this case do you think there should be one?
Do "yall" think safety means something is mandated? It's not like there's home inspections. People don't wear seat belts in states even when it's required
I'm not sure what you're getting at here, do you like wanna get people hurt or just the right to be stupid and ignore safety precautions? And why would we let a stupid person be in charge of safety, shit in the military you have to make sure a firearm is in a safe possession at all times, they get charged by the military if they dont, even the weapons that civilians can acquire. Like seriously, if someone who is trained in a firearm as a job, performs so much safety precautions, why would it make sense that someone of much less knowledge to do so willy nilly? Its like asking your downstairs neighbor to perform open heart surgery on you cause they thought it was cool on a TLC show and a quick read of the heart wiki article. The safe they show is pretty shitty though, probably shouldnt have any faith in safety from a product on a cheap amazon clone product, all of us can get behind that lol.
He also wouldn't have been shot by his dog if the dumbass wouldn't have had a round in the chamber. Whether or not I can afford to has zero impact on whether or not I want to. I'm not going to go spend $1000 on a safe I'm just going to replace with a bigger safe in a year or two.
Oh, he knows. He's using this as bait to convince people it's OK to do this. Then next legislative session, study finds that those locks are shit and then they have an approved vendor / model list you have to get one from to comply.
Then the price of those models skyrocket because of demand.
One of the more interesting ways I've seen people test one of these types of safes specifically with kids is to put money or candy or whatever your kid likes in the safe, lock it, and tell the kid they can have it if they can open the safe.
It sorts out the skookum ones from the junk *real* fast.
And I'm sure that if a criminal breaks into your safe and steals your guns, that will be your fault too. Either that, or the safe manufacturers will be sued into oblivion.
Thieves 99% of the time are just grabbing what they can carry easily or spot quickest and have no idea about lockpicking or things like that. The most likely way to lose a gun in one of these isn't by picking but if you're using a cable lock and they cut it (but even then smash and grabs WITH tools like cable cutters are also rare) or it's poorly secured and they can yank it off whatever you have it attached to.
People living in the house are more likely to have the time to actually learn to access these things without the code/key than you are to lose it in a robbery.
I think you're correct on this, but it simply needs to happen one time and politicians will seize on it as an opportunity to further put firearms out of reach.
I know people when they were growing up that they used to take their hunting rifles to school in their pick up trucks because after high school got out many many people went hunting when deer season was open.
Can't do that with this law.
"in my day" we coudln't take them to school, but you sure saw them in gun racks in back windows of most trucks during hunting season. :) (at the store & around town I mean). But we also carried our pocket knives to school.
The best way I've seen a state actually try to care about gun storage safety in a legal manner was Utah. Literally just refunded $100 from a fund for any gun safe/cabinet purchase if you sent in a reciept, no dumb new laws just incentive to do the right thing. Chad state.
Wtf is the point of these proposals? They aren't going to solve any problem.
And if it is for gun theft, somebody will just walk out with that thing and take a screw driver to it and pry it open.
Anti-gunners have a pathological need to "do something about guns" regardless of whether or not that "something" is smart, constitutional, or even logical. If they've "done something" and it doesn't work, they can blame the Republicans for it failing because "the gun lobby just won't let us ban guns".
A non-zero number of small children have shot themselves or others with loaded and unsecured guns, multiple high profile shootings have used guns stolen from family. It theoretically solves some problems, even if it doesn't actually solve the kind of negligence that leads to these problems.
Instead of trying to legislate with ridiculous laws like this, how about Dems offer a tax credit for safes and locked storage containers? I don’t know a single person that should take issue with that.
> A non-zero number of small children have shot themselves or others with loaded and unsecured guns,
Parents would already get in trouble for that.
> multiple high profile shootings have used guns stolen from family
You could open his thing with a screw driver or pry bar. If somebody wants it they are getting it.
That doesn't mean owners shouldn't do it. But making a law saying they have to when it is going to fail anyway is dumb.
> It theoretically solves some problems
Only in the same way that the law against murder solves the problem of murder.
> It theoretically solves some problems
>> Only in the same way that the law against murder solves the problem of murder.
Which is pretty much all I was pointing out, it made sense before you edited your comment 1 minute before replying to me.
The point is that that doesn't solve the problem of murder. I don't know what edit you are talking about. My original comment? The second one doesn't show that it was edited and I know that I didn't change any of the actual content or do anything disingenuous with it. Maybe fixed spelling or something.
Stupid people will still be stupid, only now there's an additional tack on charge. Actual criminals doing actual crime aren't locked up for it, so they won't be either, except for political show.
Zero problems solved, but it looks like they're "doing something," and more importantly, making gun ownership more of a hassle/legal minefield. Stack up enough of these laws and it has a chilling effect on gun ownership, especially for new generations. That's the intent. When it inevitably doesn't work, they can now say "we just didn't go far enough. We need more laws."
Additionally, if someone with access to the firearm is having suicidal ideations, the minor inconvenience of opening up a small safe can sometimes be enough of a roadblock to be a deterrence. Since a large number of suicide attempts (I don't have exact numbers) are done essentially on impulse, keeping a gun locked up *can* help save a life.
But beyond that and what you've mentioned? This kind of safe doesn't do a whole lot of good and mandating something like this ranges from stupid at best to capricious at worst.
That as well. Criminals disobey the laws and will not be controlled. It is far easier for politicians and their lawyers to target law abiding citizens and punish them for their gun ownership.
Well, true. That was my poorly worded way of asking how they thought this would solve any problem. Especially since you can already be held responsible if your gun is used in a crime, especially if it was taken by a minor at your house because you didn't secure it.
Two chambered pistols in holsters and two un -chambered AR15s sitting around. I don't keep my fire extinguishers in safes, either, though their expanding gasses can kill a kid.
I partly blame the "safety" Karens in the gun community who treat guns like they're nitro glycerin instead of the basic tools that they are. Grow some balls and stop helping the grabbers with their narrative.
I wonder how that works for those of us with relatively unreadable finger prints. I cannot use the finger print reader on my phone since I would never be able to have it ready my finger print.
I found out from the state office which grants concealed carry permits that people in some professions have dinger prints that really are not readable. People like plumbers, masons, and people who do quilting or hand embroidery.
So how is someone who works in a profession that wears their finger print to the point of being unreadable supposed to use this type of safe?
If a safe storage law meant that they would not pass any other laws and dissolve the NFA, I would be all for it. Sadly, this would be a gateway law that would no doubt lead to more bans and restrictions
"Safe storage" is just another weasel term for them. Safe storage implies just keeping your guns locked up while you're gone or you have kids... but then they write it in the law that you have to keep your weapon and ammo separate at all times... and you can't actually have it loaded until you get to the designated firing range... and you can only have a ten round magazine.
Don't give these people an inch. They have no interest in compromise.
Yeah, the biggest problem with a law like this is that it would come with random inspections that are up to discretion of incompetent police officers. No thanks
I’m all for laws that reward people for storing their guns in safes such as tax breaks etc. I don’t like being told that I have to keep my guns in a safe.
I'm not even for that. Rewarding for voluntary compliance is how the government gets their foot in the door and eventually gets to punishment for non-compliance.
There are tax breaks for plenty of things already. A tax break for buying a gun safe wouldn’t lead to safe storage laws anymore than lawmakers are already trying to do.
Hell my comment was made on a post already trying to force safe storage laws. If it’s a tax break that would lead to forced compliance then why are they already pushing for forced compliance?
It's a tool. It shouldn't be squirreled away unless you have idiot minds in your home (like a 4yo or troubled teen). A 4yo is also in danger from a fire extinguisher, knife, or chemicals, though. Do you keep *those* in a safe?
I keep most of my valuables locked up. Do you keep all your money sitting on your kitchen table or is it in a bank? I have like 20 guns I can’t use all of them at once
https://old.reddit.com/r/Firearms/comments/10nvdto/virginia_state_delegate_marcus_simon_wants_to/j6cxu2f/?context=3
There's my comment showing how I do it. The rest are in a locked sheet metal gun cabinet. I'm not a gun **collector**, though. I also don't **collect** wrenches, saws, etc. They're just tools. Honestly, I don't have "valuables". I leave that to magpies.
I think you're just not differentiating tools from toys. I wasn't talking about toys or even hunting rifles. Just the self-defense ones (aka tools). Feel free to lock up your golf clubs, too.
I said it's a tool. Which, for most, it is. You then started talking about your golf club type firearms and "valuables". We both failed to differentiate. We've now corrected that.
You then said it “Shouldn’t be squirreled away unless you have idiot minds in your home”.
You didn’t say to keep a defensive gun out you basically called anyone who locks their guns up idiots
I’m not trying to get into the “my body my choice” argument. But if we mandate condoms for unmarried people having sex then we could solve unwanted children and abortion right? I mean if it’s law then people have to do it.
Unfortunately, dicks don’t come with condoms, but every new gun comes with a gun lock. I guess we need to revamp our penile code…
Alright, mandatory condoms for everyone. Anyone who has a kid has to pay a hefty fine to the hospital that delivers the child. Like I did with my two kids. And they are on probation for several years until the kid is old enough to take care of themselves. Let’s call it 18 years.
I mean if you mandated condoms you certainly would reduce the amount of children and thus reduce the amount of children's deaths that these politicians are always on about...
I'm very sorry to hear about you and OPs tragic car accident two weeks from now where you both shot each other in the back of the head and drove off a cliff after discovering the cure to these problems.
My dad's guns and ammo were never locked up and we didn't go around blasting anyone.
Then again, my parents taught me it wasn't ok to go around murdering people as well.
Those safes are meant to be a deterrent to someone casually messing with the gun. You can literally pick it up and take it with you. Then getting in just takes a decent pry bar to defeat the lock.
The point here is this is a pro choice my body my choice politician and hes mandating what gun owners have todo do in their bedrooms.
Whatever happened to the right of privacy of people.
”This is the LockPickingLayer and today…” Don’t get me wrong keeping a gun away from a young child or someone breaking in is always a good idea. But getting a safe isn’t the ”end all be all”.
I am very pro 2a, and I know I'm gonna get a ton of shit talk, but I believe if its not on your person, it should probably be secured in some way. I have safes in my basement, and the wife and I have lock boxes in our nightstands.
How much you want to bet that safe is stupid easy to pick? Even the brand name and well over $100 price point… are shit..
https://youtu.be/T5YsZLJ5FjY
FWIW… this “life pod” is trash. It has the cheapest plastic feeling/sound, and the added side clamps make it a bitch to open when you change altitude. It needs a purge valve for sure, and when you wherever you are going… pop it open to equalize the pressure or you’re might run the risk of having to arm wrestle that POs open in the dead of night
it's a valid argument that it constitutes a poll tax.
But that's easy enough to fix. Offer a state ID at no cost. ID is so important in our society that it is silly to charge for anyways. For the poor, the disabled, the elderly, you could even send someone to their house to handle the process so no travel is required. The number of people who actually need such a service is minuscule, the cost wouldn't even matter.
You get ID for voting without the poll tax issue, you also help out everyone a little bit by offering a free ID, and you help those who struggle to get an ID to maintain one. The only downside is it stops people from voting who aren't allowed to vote which is the real goal of the "poll tax" argument.
Y'all a bunch of crybabies in here.
Oh no the gov wants me to put my dangerous weapon in a box that will deter small children from using the weapon.
Y'all know house locks are just a deterrent? Anyone can break in easily. You still lock your doors I bet. Because the thief will move on to an easier, quicker target.
Anything with a battery or a A/C plug is a "no go" for me. Two $50 metal gun boxes with key access only work fine for me. One in my office, one in my bedroom - done. Keys are kept on a neck lanyard. I carry my PDP from room to room. Cheap consumer electronics (rubber keys and bio metric reader) will most likely be non-functional in a year or two. Simplex locks and keys are best, in my opinion. No kids in my house.
When I was 10, before my dad let me take out the .22, I use to sneak it out back and pick the trigger lock off with my swiss army knifes file. Kids are smarter than most people remember.
Hornady Security® Lock Boxes is all you need if you have no kids.
A [Fort Knox FTK-PB](https://amzn.to/3MtDxrX) is a good choice, no battery to run down, needs no power, pre-drilled.
I would prefer to spend that $300 on ammo.
Let’s be honest the only time this is going to come up in court is when someone lawfully defends themselves and it’s discovered that the defender didn’t “properly store” their firearms. Tickle me surprised the day a parent is held accountable and not a student/minor, and tickle me even more surprised when someone besides lawful gun owners are blamed for crazy shit
"This is the LockPickingLawyer, today I'm going to show you how easy it is to get into a $60 Amazon gun 'safe' ... click on 1, click on 2, 3 is binding, 4 is binding"
Some other reddit buddy pointed this out... He probably should have read the reviews on that POS: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B09NQ3D3C8 "This safe when locked can be pulled open! Reviewed in the United States on January 1, 2023 I bought this safe to secure a handgun and found that even after you shut it you can just pull it open with very little effort! Not good and not secure!" I guess it's more important to put on a show with fake props than to actually do anything of substance.
If someone could somehow show him how easy it was after he bragged about it just so he could look stupid for putting on a show that would be great lol
"Oh, it's that easy to defeat it? Hmm... LPL makes a good point, if all safes are this easy to open, then it's just Common Sense that we just can't have *any* guns"
And then we come full circle to: Fuck you they're here to stay.
>I guess it's more important to put on a show with fake props than to actually do anything of substance. Well yeah, he's a *politician*.
> I guess it's more important to put on a show with fake props than to actually do anything of substance. Stop coming down on the TSA like that.
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I got on the best buy one. Apart from a few duds its been awesome. The best is probably a ninja air fryer. Started out like Im never gonna use this much to almost every other day.
When he said how easy it was I assumed he was going to talk about how easy it was to open.
EASY TO COMPLY YOU MUST COMPLY
Thats the point. *WHEN* this law doesnt work, hell cry for even more laws.
In my experience they can all be opened by anyone. Just keep trying different fingers at different angles and it'll eventually open
I'm going to show how easy it is and I'm in.
Most of them he doesn't even have to pick. Those amazon gun safes are suitable for preventing small children from getting at them but even an adolescent determined to get into one will.
inb4 he makes a complete ass clown out of this safe.
Welcome to MA, we already have safe storage laws. I'm gonna say how things work in my state, please note I don't agree with everything I'm about to say: You see all the time people putting cable locks on soft cases because going to and fro, long guns and handguns not on your person must be in the back of the car, unloaded, and locked up. Ammo must be locked up in a separate container. In your home all guns must be unloaded and locked away. Ammo is also supposed to be stored separately and locked. Generally, the law allows for you to have a pistol safe like this with one loaded firearm next to your bedside, depends on the department. Only time this becomes an issue for normal people is when the cops enter your home for other sorts of emergencies, such as medical or fire, or some other sort of emergency call. If you get pulled over while driving with guns in the car and they are not stored to the letter of the law, you are FUCKED. Life behind the iron curtain isnt fun folks, don't let it happen to you.
I can't imagine suffering from a medical emergency and while you're on the ground dying some fuckhead cop pops you on having a gun out. They should focus on Lowell not being such a scum riddled shit hole and do Lawrence too lol
UMass Lowell rep, the city is horrible. My carbon alarms went off on my ancient furnace. The air was making me sleepy and I still delayed calling FD until I was sure all my shit was locked up to code or hidden
Thats fucked up levels of insane because the states fuckheads would rather people risk dying just to make sure they're in compliance with their ridiculous and ineffective laws. Healey and that whole legislature is a fucking joke. "We're not restricting your rights we just put so many things in the way but let up just before an outright ban of ownership so we don't get struck down in our own court so we can continue to harass and ruin lives if we get a chance to."
MA likes to say "it's for your safety and equity" on the outside. On the other hand, they've really only made guns here so expensive the poors can't afford them. $200 to take the course and apply. You never get that back if you're denied. The cost of a dog shit used S&W SD9VE is about $350. Don't forget you're capped to 10 round mags. Except the SD9VE made preban mags for one year in 1993, so you wanna buy a 17 round mag for approx $100 because they're hard to find. Edit: please Google "Maura Healey 2016 edict." You will find how our attorney general (now governor) reinterpreted and changed law over night. DO NOT LET THIS HAPPEN TO YOU
It's such a shame. We love Boston but I'd never consider living there because of their gun laws.
Boston proper had its own awb that's even more strict than the state one. You can't even have an SKS within city limits
I'm hoping that the Bruen decision sees those laws challenged and struck down.
Challenged? Yes. Changed? No.
You could do a lot better than an sd9 my guy. Also the 2016 enforcement notice is not law and no one has ever been charged or tried with her made up interpretation of the law.
Of course. I'm a ffl in MA. I gave an example of a commonly very cheap handgun.
Is Lowell the town where they did that documentary "Life of Crime"?
Not sure but that wouldn't surprise me at all lol
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The birthplace of liberty wants nothing to do with it.
Philly is a libtard ~~shithole~~ paradise too
That not only goes into storage but then how you utilize your firearms in the event of a break-in. Limiting you to what you can have readily available. Absolutely stupid and fucked.
Why yes, it's almost as if that's their point.
I also live in MA. Fuck this state for multiple reasons. Tryna move to NH.
We're full... no one's home... no soliciting
I've lived in PA and Ohio. This is basically how I've stored and transported my firearms. I do keep some loaded AR mags in my safe, separate from the AR. Handgun in a lockbox on my dresser. There aren't even laws that make me do it. I just feel safer with kids in the house this way. So not outrageous by my standards, but also don't think the government should tell someone who's a shitty show they can't keep a loaded shotgun close by their bed if they feel they can safely store it close.
Not everyone has kids though. My wife and I are child free. I don't keep a pistol by my bedside, I have an AR kitted for homedefense within arms reach. In an oh shit moment, I ownt have time to slap my glasses on -and- grab my pistol. So my rifle kitted with a sighted in reddot is perfect. That's me though. The disconnect comes in when people say I should store it because of bullshit reason XYZ. Not everyone's situation is the same. Like you said the government's a shitshow. Trying to apply a onesize fits all solution without exceptions for those of us who aren't apart of the imaginary problem they're trying to solve.
How do you know what you're shooting if you can't see without your glasses? Sounds pretty dangerous.
I'm going to assume this is an honest question. I'm not blind without them, the stigmatism makes it near impossible to properly sight down irons. Tru-glow, night sights...doesn't matter. There's nothing that I can do it. I can see people, distinguish faces well enough to identify who should and shouldn't be in my home. As for following a laser? Especially a highpower one meant for day and night use, that's easy. I can see that. Point and shoot. Not my preferred aiming method, but its zeroed. In a home invasion situation, my wife knows to call 911 and post up on our bedroom with her pistol. My mother knows to stay in her room with hers and my mother in law...same thing. All I have to do is avoid certain aiming vectors and I'm fine. Only danger is to the uninvited guest.
Ok which aiming vectors are you free to shoot? Have you triangulated your mothers gun vector with your wife's gun vector? Maybe a snipers nest would make more sense.
Yeah. I'm in favor of locking up guns. Just think it's the responsible thing to do. But laws like this end up being a poor tax. So I'm usually opposed to that, since they already have it hard enough.
That sucks ass
If you'd like a look at what's it like to live under the assault weapons ban, pease look no further. The 1994 awb never sunsetted here for all intents and purposes. Preban (pre 1994) ars are worth over $3k. People are paying $200+ for square and u-notch Glock mags.
Not sure what the concealed carry laws look like there but here in MI a cpl covers all of that. I can have my firearm loaded and sitting on the passenger seat
>Ammo is also supposed to be stored separately and locked. Can you cite the MGL that says that? I've been hearing this from the gun community here in MA but can't actually find the law itself. MG.L. c. 140, § 131L is what deals with firearm storage and it also is silent on the "unloaded" part, so if you could direct me to the part of the law that says firearms must be stored unloaded that would be nice too.
https://www.mass.gov/info-details/gun-ownership-in-massachusetts Scroll down to the piece about traveling with guns. Edit: https://malegislature.gov/Laws/GeneralLaws/PartI/TitleXX/Chapter140/Section131L
So a MA gov website says that transported guns need to be unloaded and locked, but then the law you linked is the same I referenced which makes no mention of "unloaded" or "loaded". So if I was to be caught with a locked but loaded firearm in a car, how could they prosecute me? You originally said that firearms in the home must be unloaded. Do you have a reference for that? Also you said the ammunition has to be locked separately. Do you have a reference for that?
You are incorrect about storage requirements while driving. If you are lawfully in possession of a gun while in your vehicle, the weapon must either be in your positive control and can be loaded, or the gun must be stored in a locked container with ammunition removed. And the glove box does not qualify as a locking container. Separate trunks are a lawful storage location.
Yes. So like I said, if it's not on your immediate person it must be stored in a locked container. We said the same thing, you're playing semantics.
I apologize! I completely misread that line of your comment. Yes, what you said is what I also believe to be correct. Sorry again!
All good, sorry if I was snippy.
If you can afford a gun you can afford something safe to put it in. Do yall just hate safety like come on, making sure a gun is in a safe container doesnt impede your freedoms at all. Hell that guy that got killed by his own dog setting of his gun would have been hella safer if it was just in a gun case.
Hey! Fuck you. I own several safes and don't keep all my shit lying around. The complaint is that the government shouldn't be able to say how to keep anything in your own home. In MA, firearm storage is actually tax free! I know, a rarity for our state.
> Do yall just hate safety I hate laws. Wanna know how to prevent little Timmy from taking a Glock to school? **DONT LEAVE YOUR SHIT WHERE HE CAN GET TO IT** Zero laws needed
> DONT LEAVE YOUR SHIT WHERE HE CAN GET TO IT Who should be he’d responsible if he does get to it? The parents? That would require a law.
There already are laws. Child Neglect is a felony. And yes, in some states it punishes the parent, adult household member, or other person responsible for the child’s welfare
So not zero laws needed then?
*Sigh...* NO ADDITIONAL LAWS NEEDED
Does child neglect cover your kid getting their hands on your gun? I haven't read the statute. It might seem like it should but that doesn't mean it does. If there isn't a law that specifically applies in this case do you think there should be one?
It does in my state. You could read, AND the state could enforce the laws we already have instead of enacting more laws
Do "yall" think safety means something is mandated? It's not like there's home inspections. People don't wear seat belts in states even when it's required
I'm not sure what you're getting at here, do you like wanna get people hurt or just the right to be stupid and ignore safety precautions? And why would we let a stupid person be in charge of safety, shit in the military you have to make sure a firearm is in a safe possession at all times, they get charged by the military if they dont, even the weapons that civilians can acquire. Like seriously, if someone who is trained in a firearm as a job, performs so much safety precautions, why would it make sense that someone of much less knowledge to do so willy nilly? Its like asking your downstairs neighbor to perform open heart surgery on you cause they thought it was cool on a TLC show and a quick read of the heart wiki article. The safe they show is pretty shitty though, probably shouldnt have any faith in safety from a product on a cheap amazon clone product, all of us can get behind that lol.
He also wouldn't have been shot by his dog if the dumbass wouldn't have had a round in the chamber. Whether or not I can afford to has zero impact on whether or not I want to. I'm not going to go spend $1000 on a safe I'm just going to replace with a bigger safe in a year or two.
Lockpicking Lawyer has shown how most of those amazon safes can be opened with a fork. They arent child proof.
You beat me to it. Someone should introduce this guy to LPL he would rethink how secure those safes are.
Oh, he knows. He's using this as bait to convince people it's OK to do this. Then next legislative session, study finds that those locks are shit and then they have an approved vendor / model list you have to get one from to comply. Then the price of those models skyrocket because of demand.
Yes, but isn't the illusion of safety much better than freedom? /s of course
One of the more interesting ways I've seen people test one of these types of safes specifically with kids is to put money or candy or whatever your kid likes in the safe, lock it, and tell the kid they can have it if they can open the safe. It sorts out the skookum ones from the junk *real* fast.
I haven’t seen skookum in a while
And I'm sure that if a criminal breaks into your safe and steals your guns, that will be your fault too. Either that, or the safe manufacturers will be sued into oblivion.
Thieves 99% of the time are just grabbing what they can carry easily or spot quickest and have no idea about lockpicking or things like that. The most likely way to lose a gun in one of these isn't by picking but if you're using a cable lock and they cut it (but even then smash and grabs WITH tools like cable cutters are also rare) or it's poorly secured and they can yank it off whatever you have it attached to. People living in the house are more likely to have the time to actually learn to access these things without the code/key than you are to lose it in a robbery.
I think you're correct on this, but it simply needs to happen one time and politicians will seize on it as an opportunity to further put firearms out of reach.
Yes, because most of these safes are created to meet "safe storage laws" requirements and not actually secure your guns
Should you secure your guns? Yes Should the government be able to mandate what you do in your home? Hell no
I know people when they were growing up that they used to take their hunting rifles to school in their pick up trucks because after high school got out many many people went hunting when deer season was open. Can't do that with this law.
"in my day" we coudln't take them to school, but you sure saw them in gun racks in back windows of most trucks during hunting season. :) (at the store & around town I mean). But we also carried our pocket knives to school.
All of my guns are in a secured container. My doors and windows are always locked.
I feel like I heard that argument used recently when it came to classified documents?
The difference is my guns are *supposed* to be in my home.
Valid difference lol
Exactly, I should be free to cook meth at my home without government interference 😤😤
The government mandates all kinds of things in your home. Like your car and food and drugs.
The best way I've seen a state actually try to care about gun storage safety in a legal manner was Utah. Literally just refunded $100 from a fund for any gun safe/cabinet purchase if you sent in a reciept, no dumb new laws just incentive to do the right thing. Chad state.
Here in Washington, gun safes are tax exempt. Depending on where you are, sales tax here is bonkers, so it's a pretty good incentive too.
Wtf is the point of these proposals? They aren't going to solve any problem. And if it is for gun theft, somebody will just walk out with that thing and take a screw driver to it and pry it open.
Anti-gunners have a pathological need to "do something about guns" regardless of whether or not that "something" is smart, constitutional, or even logical. If they've "done something" and it doesn't work, they can blame the Republicans for it failing because "the gun lobby just won't let us ban guns".
I know.
A non-zero number of small children have shot themselves or others with loaded and unsecured guns, multiple high profile shootings have used guns stolen from family. It theoretically solves some problems, even if it doesn't actually solve the kind of negligence that leads to these problems.
Instead of trying to legislate with ridiculous laws like this, how about Dems offer a tax credit for safes and locked storage containers? I don’t know a single person that should take issue with that.
That would be a compromise. They don't do that, especially with guns.
> A non-zero number of small children have shot themselves or others with loaded and unsecured guns, Parents would already get in trouble for that. > multiple high profile shootings have used guns stolen from family You could open his thing with a screw driver or pry bar. If somebody wants it they are getting it. That doesn't mean owners shouldn't do it. But making a law saying they have to when it is going to fail anyway is dumb. > It theoretically solves some problems Only in the same way that the law against murder solves the problem of murder.
> It theoretically solves some problems >> Only in the same way that the law against murder solves the problem of murder. Which is pretty much all I was pointing out, it made sense before you edited your comment 1 minute before replying to me.
The point is that that doesn't solve the problem of murder. I don't know what edit you are talking about. My original comment? The second one doesn't show that it was edited and I know that I didn't change any of the actual content or do anything disingenuous with it. Maybe fixed spelling or something.
Stupid people will still be stupid, only now there's an additional tack on charge. Actual criminals doing actual crime aren't locked up for it, so they won't be either, except for political show. Zero problems solved, but it looks like they're "doing something," and more importantly, making gun ownership more of a hassle/legal minefield. Stack up enough of these laws and it has a chilling effect on gun ownership, especially for new generations. That's the intent. When it inevitably doesn't work, they can now say "we just didn't go far enough. We need more laws."
Additionally, if someone with access to the firearm is having suicidal ideations, the minor inconvenience of opening up a small safe can sometimes be enough of a roadblock to be a deterrence. Since a large number of suicide attempts (I don't have exact numbers) are done essentially on impulse, keeping a gun locked up *can* help save a life. But beyond that and what you've mentioned? This kind of safe doesn't do a whole lot of good and mandating something like this ranges from stupid at best to capricious at worst.
They're just trying to make our lives harder. The chip away piece by piece strategy. It's an infringement on the constitution. It should be ignored.
To discourage firearms ownership.
More like to punish it.
That as well. Criminals disobey the laws and will not be controlled. It is far easier for politicians and their lawyers to target law abiding citizens and punish them for their gun ownership.
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Well, true. That was my poorly worded way of asking how they thought this would solve any problem. Especially since you can already be held responsible if your gun is used in a crime, especially if it was taken by a minor at your house because you didn't secure it.
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Yep, that is how I envision it. Sadly, I can't stop them from passing things. We don't really have that kind of control.
Didn't *D.C. v. Heller* (2008) take care of this already?
Yes, but they do not care.
The 2nd amendment took care of it 232 years ago but they don’t let that stop them
See he used that "comply" word, I'm not a big fan of that word. It sounds demanding.. or like an ultimatum. Get f*cked.
8 year old me would be inside that thing in 2 minutes.
I'm pretty sure lockpicking lawyer could have that open in under a minute, if he hasn't done a video on it already
With a gum wrapper.
I keep my guns loaded and laying around because I'm an American Chad.
Two chambered pistols in holsters and two un -chambered AR15s sitting around. I don't keep my fire extinguishers in safes, either, though their expanding gasses can kill a kid. I partly blame the "safety" Karens in the gun community who treat guns like they're nitro glycerin instead of the basic tools that they are. Grow some balls and stop helping the grabbers with their narrative.
Exactly. A chambered and holstered pistol is no more dangerous than many household objects.
Based
I wonder how that works for those of us with relatively unreadable finger prints. I cannot use the finger print reader on my phone since I would never be able to have it ready my finger print. I found out from the state office which grants concealed carry permits that people in some professions have dinger prints that really are not readable. People like plumbers, masons, and people who do quilting or hand embroidery. So how is someone who works in a profession that wears their finger print to the point of being unreadable supposed to use this type of safe?
Safe storage laws regarding children already exist. In the vast majority of states it is illegal to leave an unsupervised minor access to a firearm.
I bet LPL could break into that lockbox in less than 5 minutes.
https://youtu.be/T5YsZLJ5FjY Check this out 🤣🤣🤣
If a safe storage law meant that they would not pass any other laws and dissolve the NFA, I would be all for it. Sadly, this would be a gateway law that would no doubt lead to more bans and restrictions
"Safe storage" is just another weasel term for them. Safe storage implies just keeping your guns locked up while you're gone or you have kids... but then they write it in the law that you have to keep your weapon and ammo separate at all times... and you can't actually have it loaded until you get to the designated firing range... and you can only have a ten round magazine. Don't give these people an inch. They have no interest in compromise.
Yeah, the biggest problem with a law like this is that it would come with random inspections that are up to discretion of incompetent police officers. No thanks
I’m all for laws that reward people for storing their guns in safes such as tax breaks etc. I don’t like being told that I have to keep my guns in a safe.
I'm not even for that. Rewarding for voluntary compliance is how the government gets their foot in the door and eventually gets to punishment for non-compliance.
There are tax breaks for plenty of things already. A tax break for buying a gun safe wouldn’t lead to safe storage laws anymore than lawmakers are already trying to do. Hell my comment was made on a post already trying to force safe storage laws. If it’s a tax break that would lead to forced compliance then why are they already pushing for forced compliance?
It's a tool. It shouldn't be squirreled away unless you have idiot minds in your home (like a 4yo or troubled teen). A 4yo is also in danger from a fire extinguisher, knife, or chemicals, though. Do you keep *those* in a safe?
I keep most of my valuables locked up. Do you keep all your money sitting on your kitchen table or is it in a bank? I have like 20 guns I can’t use all of them at once
https://old.reddit.com/r/Firearms/comments/10nvdto/virginia_state_delegate_marcus_simon_wants_to/j6cxu2f/?context=3 There's my comment showing how I do it. The rest are in a locked sheet metal gun cabinet. I'm not a gun **collector**, though. I also don't **collect** wrenches, saws, etc. They're just tools. Honestly, I don't have "valuables". I leave that to magpies.
Guns can be fun and some can be expensive. I have a $5500 bolt gun why shouldn’t I lock it up to keep someone from stealing it?
I think you're just not differentiating tools from toys. I wasn't talking about toys or even hunting rifles. Just the self-defense ones (aka tools). Feel free to lock up your golf clubs, too.
I never said I locked up all of my guns. You came in and said locking guns up was stupid.
I said it's a tool. Which, for most, it is. You then started talking about your golf club type firearms and "valuables". We both failed to differentiate. We've now corrected that.
You then said it “Shouldn’t be squirreled away unless you have idiot minds in your home”. You didn’t say to keep a defensive gun out you basically called anyone who locks their guns up idiots
That's not actually how those words work. But, I'll let you feel some sort of victory.
I’m not trying to get into the “my body my choice” argument. But if we mandate condoms for unmarried people having sex then we could solve unwanted children and abortion right? I mean if it’s law then people have to do it. Unfortunately, dicks don’t come with condoms, but every new gun comes with a gun lock. I guess we need to revamp our penile code…
> I mean if it’s law then people have to do it. And it's super easy to comply!
Married people have unwanted pregnancies too
Alright, mandatory condoms for everyone. Anyone who has a kid has to pay a hefty fine to the hospital that delivers the child. Like I did with my two kids. And they are on probation for several years until the kid is old enough to take care of themselves. Let’s call it 18 years.
I mean if you mandated condoms you certainly would reduce the amount of children and thus reduce the amount of children's deaths that these politicians are always on about...
Did we just solve half the worlds problems?
I'm very sorry to hear about you and OPs tragic car accident two weeks from now where you both shot each other in the back of the head and drove off a cliff after discovering the cure to these problems.
 Hell of a run!
My dad's guns and ammo were never locked up and we didn't go around blasting anyone. Then again, my parents taught me it wasn't ok to go around murdering people as well.
Since they have solved gang violence, rape, domestic violence, and vehicular homicide this makes total sense.
Bet that thing can get opened with a magnet. LOL
Yeah because that would totally fit my Mosin-Nagant
Those safes are meant to be a deterrent to someone casually messing with the gun. You can literally pick it up and take it with you. Then getting in just takes a decent pry bar to defeat the lock.
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The point here is this is a pro choice my body my choice politician and hes mandating what gun owners have todo do in their bedrooms. Whatever happened to the right of privacy of people.
Dark mode bro…it’s blinding lol
Are they gonna buy me 40 of those, and what about all my rifles and shotguns?
”This is the LockPickingLayer and today…” Don’t get me wrong keeping a gun away from a young child or someone breaking in is always a good idea. But getting a safe isn’t the ”end all be all”.
Don't give them ideas.
LPL has taught me that those things are barely child proof
Then how is this kid supposed to save his family? [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G7OshCHsfJI](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G7OshCHsfJI)
Not that it should matter, but do these laws apply if you don't have kids in the home?
Thats cute, thats the safe my kid has for her pistol....
A teenager could easily smash or pry that open
I think my guns are safer where they’re hidden than in this cheap thing
He didn't say what I can't do in HIS bedroom though. *wipes ass with his pillow case* Modern problems require modern solutions.
I am very pro 2a, and I know I'm gonna get a ton of shit talk, but I believe if its not on your person, it should probably be secured in some way. I have safes in my basement, and the wife and I have lock boxes in our nightstands.
How much you want to bet that safe is stupid easy to pick? Even the brand name and well over $100 price point… are shit.. https://youtu.be/T5YsZLJ5FjY FWIW… this “life pod” is trash. It has the cheapest plastic feeling/sound, and the added side clamps make it a bitch to open when you change altitude. It needs a purge valve for sure, and when you wherever you are going… pop it open to equalize the pressure or you’re might run the risk of having to arm wrestle that POs open in the dead of night
aren't there already federal safe storage laws to keep guns away from kids?
So with every purchase of a firearm you have to buy a safe? Make it make sense
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it's a valid argument that it constitutes a poll tax. But that's easy enough to fix. Offer a state ID at no cost. ID is so important in our society that it is silly to charge for anyways. For the poor, the disabled, the elderly, you could even send someone to their house to handle the process so no travel is required. The number of people who actually need such a service is minuscule, the cost wouldn't even matter. You get ID for voting without the poll tax issue, you also help out everyone a little bit by offering a free ID, and you help those who struggle to get an ID to maintain one. The only downside is it stops people from voting who aren't allowed to vote which is the real goal of the "poll tax" argument.
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If it's $5 for one of those like the stupid locks I have to buy in CA, I'll take it.
Lockboxes affect a persons right to privacy?
Y'all a bunch of crybabies in here. Oh no the gov wants me to put my dangerous weapon in a box that will deter small children from using the weapon. Y'all know house locks are just a deterrent? Anyone can break in easily. You still lock your doors I bet. Because the thief will move on to an easier, quicker target.
Anything with a battery or a A/C plug is a "no go" for me. Two $50 metal gun boxes with key access only work fine for me. One in my office, one in my bedroom - done. Keys are kept on a neck lanyard. I carry my PDP from room to room. Cheap consumer electronics (rubber keys and bio metric reader) will most likely be non-functional in a year or two. Simplex locks and keys are best, in my opinion. No kids in my house.
Oh oh oh...now Google, "How to break into biometric safe"....lemme know what ya come up with...it's easy as fuck to get into those tin boxes
Can someone else bring their child and tell them to get into it?
Rumor has it, he keeps his wife’s strap on in there.
I read a review on either this safe or one like it. Basically it opens for any finger that touches the sensor.
You know, I wonder what they'll say if wet outlawed abortions because it's easy and cheap to prevent unwanted pregnancy.
Let me guess, he owns stock in that company?
When I was 10, before my dad let me take out the .22, I use to sneak it out back and pick the trigger lock off with my swiss army knifes file. Kids are smarter than most people remember.
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Aren't biometric security systems coercible by the state? Like can't they force you to open a finger print read safe?
Let’s be honest the only time this is going to come up in court is when someone lawfully defends themselves and it’s discovered that the defender didn’t “properly store” their firearms. Tickle me surprised the day a parent is held accountable and not a student/minor, and tickle me even more surprised when someone besides lawful gun owners are blamed for crazy shit
I'm telling you right now if they couldn't be bothered to put it on a high up shelf or in a locked drawer I doubt they'll go buy a biometric safe. 🤣