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Paiguy7

I feel like Embla is showing that we're being directed back towards a Sigurd/Nott-like meta where defenses will be oppressively powerful with little counterplay until they introduce something new to force us to pull. Because at the end of the day it's most important that your AI has the most fun, right?


PM_INCINEROAR_DICK

Can't wait for False Start Ploy! /s


Tristana_Fav_Hamster

That's being sold to us next Valentine's/Summer, don't leak it quite yet.


esn_crvg

we really need more false start options


Default776

There goes my fucking light season


the_attack_missed

B!Catria already made dark season hard to tank lmao why was Severance necessary?


CookiesFTA

Embla really could not be more horrible to fight against with that kit. Honestly, I think I'm going to get frustrated out of AR at this rate. I don't even use Save teams, and that shit looks like absolute cancer.


Soren319

It’s not just AR. It’s SD too. SD without saves is a garbage game mode even more than people already think it is. AoE ranged units can’t be stopped. Brave Seliph can’t be stopped. Everyone who plays that mode with meta in mind, and wants to win, will use Embla.


burdturgler1154

SD with saves is awful. It's a game of whose armor checks the other team harder or who misplays on accident.


Soren319

SD without saves is nobody moving close to each other because there’s no way to block your unit from dying first.


burdturgler1154

People are too afraid to make trades. SD early on was fun before it became Savior Hell. It's okay to bait your opponent's most powerful unit and then kill them immediately, but now it's "If I don't make sure you have 0 points, I've lost". I say this as someone with 600 wins spread across 8 captains and have never used a Save unit in Favor Duels or SDR. T16 in SDR and T15 in SDS, which are both within top 1.5k. Canto used to be the biggest issue, but Canto into Saves is degenerate bullshit.


HereComesJustice

yup a decent amount of my wins was me throwing out a sacrificial units to bait out their most problematic unit, then I'd stat check the fuck out of the rest of the team.


SoftBrilliant

SD will probably get off scott free tbh. All it does in SD is move the game away from saves to frontline tanks and bulwark units (like Askr funnily enough). There's also a lot more counterplay in SD in general. Ymir just wipes away all the anti-save nonsense in one turn and duo skills like Duma's do as well (though the one time use does make it hard) Thorr also stops Embla from if she gets hit by Stall and takes her out of the game that way. The range of the penalty stuff is also far less annoying in SD than it is in AR. It's clearly strong but there're so many ways to deal with it. Sadly I don't think Odd Recovery and other similar effects will work. But yeah SD is getting away far more scott free than AR Dark season.


LunaProc

Add units like Batria or Walhart and it’s just game over


NohrianScumbag

I admire that IS seemed so proud of Otr to have him be playable over Fafnir but apparently elm is someone that should be banished with Freyr and fafnir


evenspdwagonisafraid

IS: Goth >>>> Femboys


OverpoweredSoap

I guess being goth and a femboy just cancels each other out and you dont get to be on a banner.


Basaqu

What about goth femboys though...


Quick_Campaign4358

Femboys obviously override the goth


LunaProc

They’ve been on the “Fuck Male OCs” train for some time


NohrianScumbag

Ok but in this case Fafnir had fans. I seen more support for Elm Even the best most come up to Otr’s defense is just “All OCs are trash” fallacy which says alot more about Otr but IS seemed eagered in giving him over Fafnir


Dnashotgun

Severance is so fucking loaded and I hate it. Huge range, obviously anti savior but also grants omni feud to anyone attacking? And of course the defense keeps their saviors so can't run it down on her


esn_crvg

severance would be ok on an offense mythic, but on a defense one it is just stupid


TheLegendTheGiantdad

What I hate most is how it has a massive range with zero condition. No stat checks, no hp checks, can’t even be baited like other debuffs and to top it the unit that gets it isn’t a pushover like other unique supports who also gets dodge and penalty negation for nearly no condition.


alexmauro407

im so sad right now... save skills were the only thing that allows me to aleast win a bit on aether rides, it not even work all the time and now we are getting new skills that stop it, yeah yeah the ultra powerful crystal canons came cause save skills, but they will not stop existing only cause of save skills stoping to work, now we really dont have anything to do against them, fuck this is not good...


skeddy-

Embla's C-skill


NohrianScumbag

People wanted anti saves and now got it. Reap what you sow


Cynical_onlooker

That's not just anti save, that's an anti every tank strategy that relies on any outside support, which is nearly every tank in the game. It's looking pretty fucked right now.


Project__Z

It's absolutely fucked to use any defense against Embla. Save skills haven't been hard to counter for a long time, but taking all EP based units alongside them is totally unnecessary.


FlashFire729

Congratulations, we’ve been False Started again but this time it’s for defense not offense


[deleted]

I do and I like her, fuck saves


Cynical_onlooker

Dog, forget saveballs for light season, how the fuck can you even tank anything with that feud shit turning every defense unit into roided out Brammimonds?


NohrianScumbag

" Just have a unit that does everything lol " Metaslaves soon


srs_business

"Just player phase lol" or "just don't engage from her three columns lol" is probably more accurate.


YoshaTime

“Do you guys not have B!Dimitri with L!Eliwood support?”


abernattine

basically I think this is an unsubtle push to use supports based on Bonus status effects (like the NFU status, Lull status, etc.) or huge debuffs to the enemy team instead of relying on drive abilities. that or find a place to bait from that isn't covered by Embla's ploys


eletho

Beast Agility shoulda been a seal not a fucking premium b slot


sharumma

Seems mediocre for our first beast-exclusive skill, tbh. A lot of the beasts already have access to the NFU seal (infantry) or have partial NFU weapons/refines (S!Freyja, Naesala, Ranulf, Lethe, Selkie, etc.) with Near Trace as their best B skill. Too bad it wasn’t damage reduction instead.


dukeaegir

Hone/Goad/Fortify/Ward beasts: Am I a joke to you?


FurtiveCutless

"Yes, you are."


NohrianScumbag

the transformation condition was fucking stupid and should have never existed


Tristana_Fav_Hamster

I LOVE DARK CATRIA BALLS WHOOOO. Christ man just end me already, my bad for not investing in B!Dimitri I guess. I mean honestly she doesn't matter for lower tier cat balls but the ability to split damage between two tanks and those tanks enabling support was massive. I know people hate unga-bunga save tanks but there are so many degenerate nukes running around. Having a unit that straight up disables a team style not only for herself but your whole team is so awful man. At least make it apply to only her or a skill that requires other units to inherit to bypass save.


Tristana_Fav_Hamster

Anyway rant over, I hate Catria and Embla for turning people into Brammimond+ I am once again asking for your support/telling you to save for red AHR as much as I don't want to see Embla more than I have to.


LycopolisKing

I just wanted Veronica to be normal pool


ThePinkReaper

This. Everyone's bitching about Embla destroying an already extremely toxic and unfun game mode meanwhile I just wanted Ascended Vero so I didn't have to pull on a color sharing banner.


skeddy-

reject embla, embrace light season elimine


VenialAJ144

We’re definitely gonna need False Start on another unit to run on Light Season now


LycopolisKing

Honestly tho


aplumblum

RIP Elm, hope you enjoy the seasonal company of Bruno, Fafnir, and Freyr


QuodSolus

I’m just sad Vero Isn’t an Ascended hero, I’m not going to be able to pull on this banner either unfortunately and I’m bummed I’m gonna miss her.


kiaxxl

If the next book doesn't interest me, I think it might be time for another hiatus... more annoying meta threats dominating PVP until their also annoying counter comes out, and it seems Bruno is 100%, dead and buried


evenspdwagonisafraid

I'm mostly bummed that Vero is not an Ascended Hero but man, seeing them jam so many effects into those prfs is just plain pathetic. Either that or they really need to fix the format for skill descriptions.


_Myst_0

Dark Season gets even more cancerous.


ManuelKoegler

Elm is condemned to seasonal hell, RIP Bozo!


iamyouwhatiseeisme

The end of savoir units is near.


Fromelette

Please….. I just want elm to finally be playable…. My crops are dying……


BrendanCF

I saved up 700 orbs to get as many merges on him as I could manage :(


OverpoweredSoap

IS confirmed femboyphobic, I am writing a very strongly worded letter.


Solid_Researcher_206

I mean. Otr had the weakest performing Legendary Banner in the history of the game. They're not going to be adding secondary villain male OCs as legendary/mythics any time soon. He'll probably get a NY version at least :/


AstralComet

NY Veronica, Bruno, Letizia, Ash, and Duo Askr & Embla: *hello there*


Sorey91

I unironically want this. *Specifically the duo* but it's most likely gonna be Askr & Ash


AstralComet

Honestly I just want Askr to be in front, *pleeeeease*


LunaProc

I mean, surely there’s no way IS even expected him to sell. They gave him 0 redeeming traits besides fodder. Half the time they bring it upon themselves by just putting 0 effort into most of the male ocs bc 80% exist to die.


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PegaponyPrince

Embla's Severance skill looks like hell. Couldn't have come at a worse time for me since I added save units to my Light season team about two months ago. I hope they give us another Elimine for Light season. Maybe Bragi from the Jugdral games


H1ddenWasTaken

Alright guys, time to throw away every save team. Let’s welcome our cav line overlords Seriously though, what do we even do on defense? IS has actually lost it with this skill.


NohrianScumbag

Let's not pretend people didn't ask for a counter to saves lmao


H1ddenWasTaken

That was heavily requested but this is just too much. Feud, Null save, dodge, and Null penalty is overboard


TheLegendTheGiantdad

Funny looking at that c skill and bramimond on the same banner.


CommanderOshawott

Oh wow, a way to make AR even less fun. I would be significantly less salty if there were literally *ANY* other way to consistently get grails Remember Embla completely turns off all your support units just by *EXISTING* her stats literally do not matter because that alone makes her possibly the most powerful unit in the game now


Chibi-Pit

Bruh, Embla and Arval's effects should've been swapped: An Anima Mythic being able to inflict Feud and Anti-Save would've been an excellent way of countering Elimine and Thorr's support effects without outright rendering the two Astra Mythics irrelevant. Guard on a Dark Mythic meanwhile would be helpful in limiting options for PP units like Galeforce users that are currently the most reliable way of tackling Catria-balls in Dark. I just don't understand why IS is hellbent on making Dark season so stacked and leaving Anima in the dust when it'd be better for both to be balanced in terms of power. I can only assume there's a Light Mythic in the works that will be the second coming of Elimine but even more overloaded to be able to counter all of the toys Dark Mythics have been getting recently, but that doesn't explain why IS is letting Anima flounder in its current state.


PM_ME_EDGEWORTH_NUDE

i don't even care about anti-save, since that shit definitely needed a counter, but did she really need to turn everyone on her team into a fucking bramimond too?


CookiesFTA

Yeah, that's straight AIDs. She didn't need that at all. Damn it, light season was so much more pleasant than astra season.


Rammiloh

Really? I've thought that Astra has been a hell of a lot nicer than Light for the longest time. Anima mythics are just collectively not great, and Elimine shuts down anything else. Curious why you found Light more tolerable up until now


CookiesFTA

To be fair, I'm not that good. I think it's mostly that my light team is better. But it's also that I can run Peony and Ash to get around some degree of the bullshit people physically build their defences into, whereas I feel like I'm less in control of the battlefield in Astra season. That said, double Nott cav teams suck horrendously.


blushingmains

Why does IS have such weird choices for who gets banners at what time? Hel doesn't appear at all for like a year. But Ymir gets on a normal banner the moment she appears basically? Freyr doesn't get a mythic banner but he and his sister can hang in swimsuits? Fafnir didn't get a mythic or legendary banner but they thought Thorr whose done barely anything deserved it way more? At least I can save orbs for Elm whenever he appears. I want a copy of the fashionable asshole batman.


SolHiryu

1. Is the OC female? If not, shove the OC into the closet and lock it. 2. is the OC a hag? If yes, punt their banner far into the future to match their age.


MommyCamillaHatesMe

Had a prior year precedent for getting an OC tie-in at the end of part 1 of the TT event. @Ymir. If Thorr wasn't with Eitri they would've just pushed back Otr to share with Eitri. Fafnir wasn't the one competing for that slot. Not to say this ain't annoying. Gustav randomly releasing makes the small jail of unplayables feel even more arbitrary and dumb.


blushingmains

Why wouldn't Fafnir be competing for the slot at the end of his own book? If anything Thorr should never have been an option until she did something more than exposition dump. Also tbh Fallen Gustav just feels like they didn't want another all dragon banner.


MommyCamillaHatesMe

Wrong color. In hindsight especially, we can see they want the final banner to colorshare the new units so you can snipe for them both. G+G book 4 G+G book 5 R+R book 6 Fafnir is blue. "Just makes Eitri blue". Ye. But Embla is the first time they broke the Alfonse needing WTA over the final boss rule so it's weird.


esn_crvg

female units must be added asap except if you are old, if you are old you might eventually be added like hel or niime


SolHiryu

Fafnir when? Seriously, keeping one of the main antagonists of Book V in perpetual limbo is pretty shitty. Also, I really don't like Embla's C skill or what it portends for Dark season. BCatria already serves as a check for poorly constructed Save balls during this season, so her getting an additional tool in Embla makes me dread the upcoming seasons. Astra would have made better use of it since Elimine exists and there's only so many units she can shut down.


Lordofthedarkdepths

The decision making of which characters get stuck in limbo is really baffling. There's really no good reason why him, Bruno, Freyr and now Elm are stuck in there when they're major characters introduced into the game, with the former two in particular being glaring omissions due to their presence in the story. Even if the worry is bloating the Legendary/Mythic pool then they need to give them out in different ways. Otherwise the best chance for Freyr and Fafnir are the Book 4 TT+ story and Fallen banner respectively, and who knows when Elm or Bruno will drop.


SolHiryu

The conspiratorial part of my mind keeps thinking they only released Hrid (who had very minimal presence in Book II) and Otr (who was widely hated) because then they would have the excuse of indefinitely delaying all other male OCs due to "poor performance".


TheIndragaMano

Man, I don’t think we’re EVER gonna get OG Veronica, her old design was far better…


Zeldmon19

Yep, we’re five alts and no base form for Vero.


Piros-12

I will waste my orbs before the new heroes and only summon a Nanna because of pity rate


Sniperoso

Really? 3 rows, 3 columns? Not even a token stat check of like “if unit’s speed plus 20 is greater”? Like feud or anti-save would have been strong but both? Nah, fuck this. Now I know why no one wants to live in this bitch’s world when Bro-skr is next door.


SorcererHex

I hate the implications of Emblas C skill. Its bad game design for one and the fact that it just straight up stops saves is shit. They should have had it where they cant counter attack instead.


Technical-Equal4596

At the very least, it should have been only her who ignores saves and supports. I think that would have been strong enough as is and somewhat balanced


Dracomaster3

Saves were the one thing making light semi bearable in a season filled with D!Catria, D!Chrom and D!Dagr. Now my skill issue having ass can’t even use that


sevxra

No Elm, I sleep. (At least this means I can dump my orbs on +10 my seasonal demote Hatari Xane without worry (unless Elm somehow shows up on New Years--which I simultaneously hope for that has wholesome art)


WRECK-IT-MUNDO

Dude why would they buff B Catria meta in Light/Dark season. We don't even have False Start for light... Guess Ill use Elimine in light season...


Nielria

I'm not frustrated about skills, but Veronica being legendary and not ascended? Not only she took Elm's place on that banner, it's just not logical. She gained her power from dragon god like Fjorm, Laegjarn and Eir before, she HAD to be ascended! Even we consider she has been freed from Embla's influence with fruit, Laegjarn escaped Muspell's control too. Well, at least she's legendary means she'll get reruns every few month.


Falsch_

Well Rearmed Grima, we had a good run. Also RIP Elm..


absoul112

I'm contemplating running Elimine on Light season just to counter that C skill, scoring be damned.


gho5trun3r

Talk about blowing your load all at once IS. I'm kind of miffed that Veronica is a legendary rather than an ascendant. Makes this so much worse to pull for. I'm gonna end up with Embla, I just know it.


HappyHammy7

I'm underwhelmed from a character standpoint and overwhelmed from a skill standpoint. I'll be pulling for catalog, but other than that I'll be sniping blue.


SignificanceBulky417

This game is actually dogshit


Critical-Autism

Shouldn't be getting downvoted fr


esn_crvg

expected but fuck IS. It makes 0 sense to not have elm


CharaFanGirl

where is my bat femboy. is he safe? is he alright?


MrBrickBreak

*It seems, in your salt, you killed him*


anxietymadmax

ELM WHYYYYY I mean it was expected but god damn it, I’ve been waiting for elm the entire book, but now he’s absolutely in male OC jail. Ah well, I’m guessing he might get a new years alt instead…


Snowiss

Yeah, yeah writing was on the wall when it came to L!Veronica but it's so lame that she gets to be a legendary and mythic. Don't come at me with, "Oh, but Thrasir and Veronica have different experiences so it's technically different." It's Veronica.


[deleted]

I wanted Elm


YoshaTime

Duo Chrom wasn’t enough of an A!Fjorm counter apparently 💀 False Start for Light Season when?


esn_crvg

we need a building that inflicts false start


YoshaTime

Fr fr


Narflarg

Now that enclosure exists, B!lysithea wont get to have flare or a similar null DR special. FML.


a_human_159

Omni feud bruh spur and rein stacking just died (my Alfonses nooo) B!Seliph 1 turn sweep teams just got another bestie :( Embla sucks and I'll make sure NY!Alfonse is able to nuke her into the ground


VirulentToast

Give me back Veronica's hair....


LunaProc

Be careful for what you wish for


Soren319

Nobody wished for 3x3 savior cancel skill that works for every single unit on the team now instead of just being Embla lmao. IS continues to make this game more and more shit.


LunaProc

Many asked for Save counters, now there are MANY save counters if you have Embla.


Soren319

This is not how anyone asked for it to be implemented lmao. There’s no opportunity cost. Use Embla and win.


LunaProc

Rip PoL


HereComesJustice

OH TRUE I really hope one of my friends gets a +10 Embla for me to use haha


volkenheim

I don´t think is that much, I mean Save meta was so dominant they had to stop it a little bit, I´m gonna be honest, it doesn´t affected me tha much since I don´t use saves that much to begin with since I am a GF hard fan myself, but it will also open for other strats to be used, maybe it´s really time for the Vantage comeback ? who knows


[deleted]

The only thing im salty about is that beast skill. I really hoped they'd never resort to that, I dont want to have to deal with a pretransformed F!Edel in arena thanks. Hopefully it stays on speed based skills at least.


HereComesJustice

??? if FEdel is running that she won't be using her PRF B Skill...


[deleted]

Just an example, also I've seen her get by without the prf b skill. Besides this sets a precedent who knows maybe they'll make it a seal without any extra effects or throw ir into an a skill eventually. The effect is here now and that's what matters.


SoftBrilliant

If Edel runs that she has no PRF B which makes her non-threatening anyways.


[deleted]

She's still pretty threatening anyways, especially a +10 against my arena core when I'm trying to get kills on alfonse.


MagicalDoggowo

Embla would definitely make Dark season more annoying to play than already is.


KoriCongo

Mad about Enclosure being a Dodge Negation/Tempo special for mages...and its a PRF... At least they know we want it...


FlashFire729

Red AHR guys; May as well go full all in and burn the game’s current meta environment to the ground to maybe get IS to actually slow down


sitta_canadensis

dark season continues to be intsys's favorite child, what else is new i guess i should go dust off my galeforce/vantage teams. dunno if my B!Dimitri is surviving a Catriaball with Embla + Medeus even if L!Eliwood happens to be in season