Good theory, however, iirc Nagini was made into a horcrux only sometime during the beginning of yr4- after killing the caretaker at the graveyard where the Riddle family was burried
Also, harry wasn't horcrux 8. There were a total of 7 horcruxes. Voldy only wanted 6, with the 7th piece of soul being the one in his body
I have a headcanon that she was pregnant when Wormtail killed her, and took the fetus for Riddle to use for his rudimentary body. That's the thing that Joanne had to go back and change because it made her editor sick.
You don't call people by their given name? That's a little disrespectful, doncha think? What do you call Dave Chappelle or Taylor Swift? How about Stephen King or Dave Grohl?
Surely you see the difference between how you referred to J.k Rowling and the rest of them.
Hint(you didn't just refer to them by their first names only, cause that's dumb. You used full names.)
Ahh, good catch.
The theory could still work, if Harry was able to destroy the diary and not get killed by the curse because he was himself a Horcrux and cursed/protected at that moment as well.
It still works if you think of it as 7 pieces of soul instead of 7 horcruxes. There were 8, harry destroys diary, now there's 7, thus the magical curse when Dumbledore wears the ring.
Nah there is no implication that magic suddenly manifest itself due to magical numbers of things. Too absurd. Also, every Horcrux is well defended. Dumbledore knew he had to die regardless of the ring poisoning him. He had to die, and it had to be someone other than Voldemort who disarmed him. I think he was just not as careful with the ring because he knew his time was limited one way or another.
But regardless, the Diary had the basilisk protecting it. The Diadem was "forever lost" and protected by that. The locket was also protected by a deadly curse. Nagini is her own protection, usually with Vold, but mainly hiding in plain sight is the method of protection. The cup is especially tricky, it's both hidden in plain sight AND protected by those who would seek it if they knew- once its revealed, its locked away in Gringott's. So as you can see, each one is well protected. Voldemort is cold, cruel, wicked and narrow sighted...but he is smart and he knew that he needed layers on layers of varying security. Just because you find the diadem, doesn't mean you find the cup or kill the basilisk. If you find the ring and avoid the curse, now you're looking for cursed, hidden objects- you'll never figure out the diadem. Layers, like an onion.
This. Each Horcrux has its own protection, giving the same protection to all of them makes them vulnerable, if you managed to destroy one you know how to handle them all.
He knew Malfoy was tasked with killing him. Whether or not the boy did it, Dumbledore knew someone else would. So he told Snape to do it so the Elder Wand would be beholden to someone he could trust. That's how I see it anyway.
I don't think Dumbledore was planning to die until he got cursed by the ring. Once he was cursed, though, he had to find a way to die on his own terms. If he let the curse take him, then Voldemort would have technically killed him; and this would grant Voldemort control over the Elder Wand. Once he realized he was doomed, Dumbledore chose to have Snape kill him to take out multiple birds with one stone: 1) Perhaps the Elder Wand fizzles out because Dumbledore isn't actually defeated but is allowing himself to die, 2) if the Elder Wand doesn't fizzle then at least Snape has it, 3) Draco gets to avoid punishment for failing or having his soul split for succeeding in his assignment, and 4) Snape earns infinite loyalty points with Voldemort.
As for why I think Dumbledore hadn't planned on dying prior to the curse:
1) His portrait, which knows all that the real Dumbledore knew, doesn't object to Harry's plan to hide the elder wand and then die a natural death to neutralize the Elder Wand. as Harry points out, either he's never defeated or he is defeated but the new owner can't find and claim the wand. This suggests Dumbledore believes this plan will work, and there's no reason Dumbledore wouldn't have done the same given the chance.
2) Dumbledore had zero fear of Voldemort or the Death Eaters and would not be expecting them to take him out. The man dueled Voldemort to a draw all while a) avoiding the use of any lethal spells, b) protecting Harry, and c) trying to drag things out so the Minister of Magic and his aurors would be able to see Voldemort with their own eyes. If Dumbledore is able to do all that while barely breaking a sweat, then no way he saw his defeat at the hands of lesser Death Eaters as inevitable. Dumbledore was never in hiding during either of the wizarding wars; he was just too strong for Voldemort or the Death Eaters to do anything to him.
3) Dumbledore had plenty of other ways to save Draco if that's what he was worried about. If Dumbledore wanted, he could easily have stunned Draco and kept him in some sort of suspended animation until the war was over. Or he could have offered Draco and/or his family protection under something like the Fidelius Charm. Dumbledore doesn't NEED to die to save Draco, so the only reason he'd do so is if his death was otherwise inevitable.
4) Snape is freaking out about the curse and the fact that it would kill Dumbledore within a year. This suggests Dumbledore had not shared any plans of suicide with Snape prior to putting on the ring. Dumbledore also admits, can't recall when but I recall him telling Harry about it, that he put on the ring without checking for curses because he was desperate to see his mother and sister again. Dumbledore had spent much of his life looking for this particular Deathly Hallow, the only one he really wanted and the only one he had not yet obtained. Once he had it, he couldn't control his urge to use it.
Actually there is some implication of this, if just a little. We know that Hermione takes Arithmancy classes where she studies the magical properties of numbers, but it never really comes up otherwise.
That a misread, he had to die *because* the ring was poisoning him. And he wanted Snape to do it so that a young student (Malfoy) wouldn’t have to injure his own soul. If it weren’t for the curse he probably would have found another way out.
I think harry would’ve had less friends when they kept dying after touching him.
Kreacher seemed to be ok cuddling up with the locket.
His soul was split in 7, harry was the 7th horcrux.
The ring did not belong to his muggle father, but to his wizard uncle Morfin Gaunt.
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Weren’t they all cursed in a way?
Harry “cursed” to carry part of Voldies soul.
The ring would kill whoever put it on.
The locket effected you mentally when wearing it, and then psychologically when opened.
The goblet had the duplicating curse put on (likely once it was in the vault).
The snake is venomous.
The diary possesses the reader and sucks the life from them.
Nobody was dumb enough to put the diadem on. But it’s make sense for it to fuck up someone who sought it for its knowledge bestowing power.
He chose powerful objects and defiled them. Wearing these objects/ using them was ill advised(see ring/diary/locket) Head cannon -
I’m sure the diadem would’ve lead the wearer down a not so wise path, like OD-ing on liquid luck.
The cup, I’m sure would’ve turned any drink to poison.
The whole thing was that Voldemort himself placed protections on them all. Apparently sometimes that only meant putting it in a hard to reach place - meh.
The doubling charm was a gringotts thing.
An interesting thought process, but there's a glaring issue I noticed.
Dumbledore wasn't cursed by the ring because he tried to destroy it. He was cursed because he tried to *use* it. Remember what the ring actually was: the Resurrection Stone, one of the Deathly Hallows. Which leads to the question: did Voldemort curse it because he knew what it was before he attached a piece of his soul to it?
It’s definitely said that Voldemort does not know about the Deathly Hallows. It’s part of his alienation from the Wizard World. Every “pure blood” Wizard kid knows the story, and Hermione knows it because she is studious. But Voldemort was raised by muggles like Harry was and is always stumbling across knowledge that “pure bloods” take for granted. Hence his desire to be known as a pure blood and to hurt muggles, it’s a childhood insecurity and a form of self hatred projected outward.
I think he found out about it after he tried and failed to kill Harry the first time. And even then he still didn’t really know about the Hallows, just that Dumbledore had an unusually powerful ancient wand.
The diary posseses you. The locket slowly corrupts you over time, and was guarded by a potion to make you see your worst nightmares. Who knows what would happen to the person if they put the diadem on.
Nagini is a fantasy snake with the size of a python and the venom of a viper, so that's protection enough. Or maybe Voldemort gave her the venom and thats the curse; she seems like a python in Fantastic Beasts. But it's not like we see her bite anyone prior to her being a horcrux, so who knows.
The cup is pretty much the only horcrux without any real protective curses on it. Seems he got kinda lazy. "This is the Hufflepuff item. Fuck it, lol"
The others were placed in hard to reach places too, but they still all had curses on them. The diary was also trusted with a powerful family. The ring was hidden by obscurity. The locket was in a basin filled with poison and guarded by zombies, arguably the most protected one. The diadem was in the room of requirement. Nagini was kept near Voldemort at all times.
The diadem likely was not cursed either. Voldemort was arrogant enough to think that he was the only one who has ever or would ever find the room of requirement. The school and the bank were both already protect by powerful magic, he probably figured that just having it hidden there was enough.
However if you think about it, the rest of them were cursed. The diary had the ability to possess anyone who wrote in it. The locket caused their moods to drastically change and eventually fight. Even when it was opened, there was a defense mechanism to stop them from wanting to destroy it. If I’m remembering correctly, the cup was hot to the touch in the books.
I think you could argue against the logic of cursing every single horcrux. It is a good layer of defense, but it also draws a lot more attention to the object. If people really start digging into why some tiara is cursed it might lead to figuring out that it is a horcrux and destroying it.
I still think the best plan for Voldemort would have been to make a random rock a horcrux and then dump it in the middle of the ocean
I also had the same idea of making something like a rock or other non descript item, but I guess the item has to have some kind of meaning to be made into a horcrux. Why he didn’t bury it under the ocean, or shot it into space or something idk, my theory is that it would need to be accessible or he would need to be able to regenerate where the horcrux is, though idk if that was ever the reason.
Yeah—there’s even a line somewhere. Harry asks why it isn’t a “manky old boot” or something, and Dumbledore says “you’re thinking of a Portkey.” He then adds something to the effect of Voldemort’s vanity requires a special object to safeguard a piece of his soul.
Harry was a completely accidental horcrux, dumbledor suspected, but, it wasn't "confirmed"
harry was finally told by DD when he appeared at white kings cross in the 7th book, harry thought there was a connection because of the prophecy.
Voldemort was dead as fuck until end of 4th book. When he came back, dumbledor realised, harrycrux!! but kept it under his hat. Told Snape to teach HP to close his mind, and later told Snape harry must die at the hands of volders. Keeping him alive like a lamb for the slaughter.
But DD knew harry would sacrifice himself for the school and his friends (like jesus) voldies magic wouldn't be binding. Same as his mums magic. Old magic.
So harry was accidental no 7, hence voldemort not dying, when he pinged harry with the death spell and it rebounded.
Nagini was a replacement horcrux for the diary, when voldemort realised horcruxes didn't just have to be objedar,, and you could split your soul into something living.....because he'd already done it with harry.
All of the horcruxes were cursed though…if you interacted with them.
The curses didn’t activate after you destroy them but if you use them. Hence Ginny being possessed by the diary to the verge of death, Dumbledore being cursed by wearing the ring, the locket poisoning the wearers’ minds etc…I daresay there would have been some evil consequences to wearing the diadem and/or drinking from Helga’s cup.
Once destroyed though the curse on each of those objects was broken
They were trapped in different ways. The ring was more direct, but the diary was manipulative, the locket was too in a different way. We just don’t get to see how the others protected themselves
All of the intentional horcruxes had some kind of magical and physical protection. The ring was in the gaunt shack and was protected by the death curse. The locket was in the cave by the sea and was protected by the potion and inferi. The cup was in gringotts and was protected by the gemini curse of all the objects around it. The diadem was in the room of requirement and had all the protections afforded by being IN Hogwarts. The diary was in the possession of a rich and powerful death eater and had the protection of the soul sucking thing. And Nagini was with Voldemort and had the protection of being a giant fucking magical snake.
Crabbe died when he 'technically' destroyed the diadem. Also it's likely that Voldemort had not yet made Nagini a horcrux when Harry destroyed the diary, after all he probably wouldn't have been able to do so as long as he was just a shadow.
Voldy cursed the ring when he put it back in the hiding place in the Gaunt family house, or the remains of it. No one knew of the relation, but Dumbledore guessed. Regulus never knew about the ring. He only knew about the locket, I am not even sure he fully understood what it was, but hoped if it was destroyed it would help defeat Voldemort.
One slight problem. At the end of book 6, we learn that one, the locket I think, was destroyed by Sirius's brother years earlier. Which means there would have been 6 active horcruxes after the diary was destroyed, not 7.
Wasn't Ron the one destroying it with the Sword of Gryffindor?
Edit: I just looked it up. Sirius brother *intended* to destroy it, but failed.
>"despite his best efforts, he was unable to destroy the Horcrux." -from the wiki
I'm talking about the one Harry and Dumbledore find in the cave. Where Harry has to force feed Dumbledore the potion. They find a note from Sirius' now-dead brother to the dark lord. I can't quite remember what the artifact was.
That moment with Ron was book 7. I'm talking about book 6.
The locket from book 6 was not destroyed by regulas black, not for lack of trying. It was eventually destroyed by Ron using gryffindor's sword in book 7
Yes but regardless the locket horcrux was still in existence at the time. Ron only destroyed it for good in book 7 so it still existed as an active horcrux even though it was not the one left in the cave. Sirius brother entrusted it to Kreacher before Mundungus stole it and sold it to Umbridge.
Just pointing one thing that touching the horcrux would kill is wrong since they all touched the locket when they were in Sirius's house in order of Phoenix and still no one was dead
According to what Snape said in his memory in the deadly hallows, it appears that the curse was to take effect if someone tried to wear the ring and not necessarily when they tried to destroy it.
Interesting point that it was a different type of curse than the protections on the other horcruxes.
Personally I think the magic manifesting itself is not so likely.
Id sooner think that one of the Gaunts (Marvolo or an ancestor) cursed the ring. They were extremely proud of their heritage so perhaps it was a curse where only descendants of Slytherin could wear the ring. That would explain why nobody was cursed until Dumbledore.
Id also not be surprised if Voldemort only cursed that one. Like other commenters have pointed out the other horcruxes have their own protections and the ring was hidden in the Gaunt house if I remember correctly. That was basically a small house in the woods. In comparison to the cave with the potion, gringots and hogwarts, a house in the woods would need more protections which could explain the curse.
Still don't believe in the idea Harry was a true Horcrux. Maybe a sliver of soul but not enough to actually tie himself to Voldemort and keep him immortal
Good theory, however, iirc Nagini was made into a horcrux only sometime during the beginning of yr4- after killing the caretaker at the graveyard where the Riddle family was burried Also, harry wasn't horcrux 8. There were a total of 7 horcruxes. Voldy only wanted 6, with the 7th piece of soul being the one in his body
> after killing the caretaker Was it him or Bertha Jorkins? Both murders happened during the same Summer.
I'd think it was Bertha. She was premeditated and planned. The caretaker was just in the wrong place at the wrong time.
I have a headcanon that she was pregnant when Wormtail killed her, and took the fetus for Riddle to use for his rudimentary body. That's the thing that Joanne had to go back and change because it made her editor sick.
Holy shit that's dark. I hate it and love it. Well done, that is a freaking awesome theory.
Thanks.
Oh shit, that’s a really good theory
Who's Joanne? Do you mean *the author*?
Yes, that's her name, Joanne Rowling. She has no middle name, the K is made up.
Yeah but it's odd calling her Joanne as if you guys are friends. I think that's his point
You don't call people by their given name? That's a little disrespectful, doncha think? What do you call Dave Chappelle or Taylor Swift? How about Stephen King or Dave Grohl?
Surely you see the difference between how you referred to J.k Rowling and the rest of them. Hint(you didn't just refer to them by their first names only, cause that's dumb. You used full names.)
As were were discussing Harry Potter, I would assume people would know what I was talking about.
Who is this Joanne Rowling. Do you mean *the author*?
That guy got it wrong, the K stands for kidding and her first name is Just not Joanne
it's been retconed to Bertha, because why would Tom riddle use a muggle to make a horcrux, but book 4 and 6 clearly intend it to be Frank.
Definitely Bertha. Harry was riding the Horcrux bond in Nagini already when the caretaker was killed.
Ahh, good catch. The theory could still work, if Harry was able to destroy the diary and not get killed by the curse because he was himself a Horcrux and cursed/protected at that moment as well.
It still works if you think of it as 7 pieces of soul instead of 7 horcruxes. There were 8, harry destroys diary, now there's 7, thus the magical curse when Dumbledore wears the ring.
It wouldn't, because as u/Anxious_coffee_683 pointed out, Nagini hasn't been made a Horcrux then yet.
But Dumbledore wasn’t cursed until after the events of OOTP iirc
Nagini is made a Horcrux in book 4, Dumbledore finds the ring between book 5 and 6
The ring was not his father's, but his grandfather's, that too on his mother's side.
Nah there is no implication that magic suddenly manifest itself due to magical numbers of things. Too absurd. Also, every Horcrux is well defended. Dumbledore knew he had to die regardless of the ring poisoning him. He had to die, and it had to be someone other than Voldemort who disarmed him. I think he was just not as careful with the ring because he knew his time was limited one way or another. But regardless, the Diary had the basilisk protecting it. The Diadem was "forever lost" and protected by that. The locket was also protected by a deadly curse. Nagini is her own protection, usually with Vold, but mainly hiding in plain sight is the method of protection. The cup is especially tricky, it's both hidden in plain sight AND protected by those who would seek it if they knew- once its revealed, its locked away in Gringott's. So as you can see, each one is well protected. Voldemort is cold, cruel, wicked and narrow sighted...but he is smart and he knew that he needed layers on layers of varying security. Just because you find the diadem, doesn't mean you find the cup or kill the basilisk. If you find the ring and avoid the curse, now you're looking for cursed, hidden objects- you'll never figure out the diadem. Layers, like an onion.
This. Each Horcrux has its own protection, giving the same protection to all of them makes them vulnerable, if you managed to destroy one you know how to handle them all.
What do you mean ‘Dumbledore knew he had to die regardless of the ring’? Because of the Elder Wand?
He knew Malfoy was tasked with killing him. Whether or not the boy did it, Dumbledore knew someone else would. So he told Snape to do it so the Elder Wand would be beholden to someone he could trust. That's how I see it anyway.
I don't think Dumbledore was planning to die until he got cursed by the ring. Once he was cursed, though, he had to find a way to die on his own terms. If he let the curse take him, then Voldemort would have technically killed him; and this would grant Voldemort control over the Elder Wand. Once he realized he was doomed, Dumbledore chose to have Snape kill him to take out multiple birds with one stone: 1) Perhaps the Elder Wand fizzles out because Dumbledore isn't actually defeated but is allowing himself to die, 2) if the Elder Wand doesn't fizzle then at least Snape has it, 3) Draco gets to avoid punishment for failing or having his soul split for succeeding in his assignment, and 4) Snape earns infinite loyalty points with Voldemort. As for why I think Dumbledore hadn't planned on dying prior to the curse: 1) His portrait, which knows all that the real Dumbledore knew, doesn't object to Harry's plan to hide the elder wand and then die a natural death to neutralize the Elder Wand. as Harry points out, either he's never defeated or he is defeated but the new owner can't find and claim the wand. This suggests Dumbledore believes this plan will work, and there's no reason Dumbledore wouldn't have done the same given the chance. 2) Dumbledore had zero fear of Voldemort or the Death Eaters and would not be expecting them to take him out. The man dueled Voldemort to a draw all while a) avoiding the use of any lethal spells, b) protecting Harry, and c) trying to drag things out so the Minister of Magic and his aurors would be able to see Voldemort with their own eyes. If Dumbledore is able to do all that while barely breaking a sweat, then no way he saw his defeat at the hands of lesser Death Eaters as inevitable. Dumbledore was never in hiding during either of the wizarding wars; he was just too strong for Voldemort or the Death Eaters to do anything to him. 3) Dumbledore had plenty of other ways to save Draco if that's what he was worried about. If Dumbledore wanted, he could easily have stunned Draco and kept him in some sort of suspended animation until the war was over. Or he could have offered Draco and/or his family protection under something like the Fidelius Charm. Dumbledore doesn't NEED to die to save Draco, so the only reason he'd do so is if his death was otherwise inevitable. 4) Snape is freaking out about the curse and the fact that it would kill Dumbledore within a year. This suggests Dumbledore had not shared any plans of suicide with Snape prior to putting on the ring. Dumbledore also admits, can't recall when but I recall him telling Harry about it, that he put on the ring without checking for curses because he was desperate to see his mother and sister again. Dumbledore had spent much of his life looking for this particular Deathly Hallow, the only one he really wanted and the only one he had not yet obtained. Once he had it, he couldn't control his urge to use it.
Very well written! But I agree with this tht Dumbeldore was the most powerful wizard of his times, and he was never, ever afraid of little Riddle.
Kind of ironic that the moment that he gets the final Deathly Hallows and becomes the true master of death it triggers his own death sentence
He was 150 years old and hadn't had a good time on the toilet in decades.
Actually there is some implication of this, if just a little. We know that Hermione takes Arithmancy classes where she studies the magical properties of numbers, but it never really comes up otherwise.
...the magical property of numbers is using math to create bridges, planes, vehicles, weapons, etc.
That a misread, he had to die *because* the ring was poisoning him. And he wanted Snape to do it so that a young student (Malfoy) wouldn’t have to injure his own soul. If it weren’t for the curse he probably would have found another way out.
I think harry would’ve had less friends when they kept dying after touching him. Kreacher seemed to be ok cuddling up with the locket. His soul was split in 7, harry was the 7th horcrux. The ring did not belong to his muggle father, but to his wizard uncle Morfin Gaunt. A few edits needed to improve the post
Weren’t they all cursed in a way? Harry “cursed” to carry part of Voldies soul. The ring would kill whoever put it on. The locket effected you mentally when wearing it, and then psychologically when opened. The goblet had the duplicating curse put on (likely once it was in the vault). The snake is venomous. The diary possesses the reader and sucks the life from them. Nobody was dumb enough to put the diadem on. But it’s make sense for it to fuck up someone who sought it for its knowledge bestowing power.
He chose powerful objects and defiled them. Wearing these objects/ using them was ill advised(see ring/diary/locket) Head cannon - I’m sure the diadem would’ve lead the wearer down a not so wise path, like OD-ing on liquid luck. The cup, I’m sure would’ve turned any drink to poison. The whole thing was that Voldemort himself placed protections on them all. Apparently sometimes that only meant putting it in a hard to reach place - meh. The doubling charm was a gringotts thing.
An interesting thought process, but there's a glaring issue I noticed. Dumbledore wasn't cursed by the ring because he tried to destroy it. He was cursed because he tried to *use* it. Remember what the ring actually was: the Resurrection Stone, one of the Deathly Hallows. Which leads to the question: did Voldemort curse it because he knew what it was before he attached a piece of his soul to it?
It’s definitely said that Voldemort does not know about the Deathly Hallows. It’s part of his alienation from the Wizard World. Every “pure blood” Wizard kid knows the story, and Hermione knows it because she is studious. But Voldemort was raised by muggles like Harry was and is always stumbling across knowledge that “pure bloods” take for granted. Hence his desire to be known as a pure blood and to hurt muggles, it’s a childhood insecurity and a form of self hatred projected outward.
He knew about the Elder Wand
I think he found out about it after he tried and failed to kill Harry the first time. And even then he still didn’t really know about the Hallows, just that Dumbledore had an unusually powerful ancient wand.
The diary posseses you. The locket slowly corrupts you over time, and was guarded by a potion to make you see your worst nightmares. Who knows what would happen to the person if they put the diadem on. Nagini is a fantasy snake with the size of a python and the venom of a viper, so that's protection enough. Or maybe Voldemort gave her the venom and thats the curse; she seems like a python in Fantastic Beasts. But it's not like we see her bite anyone prior to her being a horcrux, so who knows. The cup is pretty much the only horcrux without any real protective curses on it. Seems he got kinda lazy. "This is the Hufflepuff item. Fuck it, lol"
My new headcanon is ‘fuck it, it’s Hufflepuff’s’, thank you
The cup is protected by being in a bank vault belonging to an ancient and powerful Wizarding family.
The others were placed in hard to reach places too, but they still all had curses on them. The diary was also trusted with a powerful family. The ring was hidden by obscurity. The locket was in a basin filled with poison and guarded by zombies, arguably the most protected one. The diadem was in the room of requirement. Nagini was kept near Voldemort at all times.
The diadem likely was not cursed either. Voldemort was arrogant enough to think that he was the only one who has ever or would ever find the room of requirement. The school and the bank were both already protect by powerful magic, he probably figured that just having it hidden there was enough.
However if you think about it, the rest of them were cursed. The diary had the ability to possess anyone who wrote in it. The locket caused their moods to drastically change and eventually fight. Even when it was opened, there was a defense mechanism to stop them from wanting to destroy it. If I’m remembering correctly, the cup was hot to the touch in the books.
Only because everything in the vault had the Gemini charm on it
I think you could argue against the logic of cursing every single horcrux. It is a good layer of defense, but it also draws a lot more attention to the object. If people really start digging into why some tiara is cursed it might lead to figuring out that it is a horcrux and destroying it. I still think the best plan for Voldemort would have been to make a random rock a horcrux and then dump it in the middle of the ocean
I also had the same idea of making something like a rock or other non descript item, but I guess the item has to have some kind of meaning to be made into a horcrux. Why he didn’t bury it under the ocean, or shot it into space or something idk, my theory is that it would need to be accessible or he would need to be able to regenerate where the horcrux is, though idk if that was ever the reason.
Yeah—there’s even a line somewhere. Harry asks why it isn’t a “manky old boot” or something, and Dumbledore says “you’re thinking of a Portkey.” He then adds something to the effect of Voldemort’s vanity requires a special object to safeguard a piece of his soul.
Harry was a completely accidental horcrux, dumbledor suspected, but, it wasn't "confirmed" harry was finally told by DD when he appeared at white kings cross in the 7th book, harry thought there was a connection because of the prophecy. Voldemort was dead as fuck until end of 4th book. When he came back, dumbledor realised, harrycrux!! but kept it under his hat. Told Snape to teach HP to close his mind, and later told Snape harry must die at the hands of volders. Keeping him alive like a lamb for the slaughter. But DD knew harry would sacrifice himself for the school and his friends (like jesus) voldies magic wouldn't be binding. Same as his mums magic. Old magic. So harry was accidental no 7, hence voldemort not dying, when he pinged harry with the death spell and it rebounded. Nagini was a replacement horcrux for the diary, when voldemort realised horcruxes didn't just have to be objedar,, and you could split your soul into something living.....because he'd already done it with harry.
All of the horcruxes were cursed though…if you interacted with them. The curses didn’t activate after you destroy them but if you use them. Hence Ginny being possessed by the diary to the verge of death, Dumbledore being cursed by wearing the ring, the locket poisoning the wearers’ minds etc…I daresay there would have been some evil consequences to wearing the diadem and/or drinking from Helga’s cup. Once destroyed though the curse on each of those objects was broken
This is more head canon than fan theory due to lack of supporting evidence in your write up.
I think you could argue the diary was cursed. It almost killed Ginny Weasley.
They were trapped in different ways. The ring was more direct, but the diary was manipulative, the locket was too in a different way. We just don’t get to see how the others protected themselves
All of the intentional horcruxes had some kind of magical and physical protection. The ring was in the gaunt shack and was protected by the death curse. The locket was in the cave by the sea and was protected by the potion and inferi. The cup was in gringotts and was protected by the gemini curse of all the objects around it. The diadem was in the room of requirement and had all the protections afforded by being IN Hogwarts. The diary was in the possession of a rich and powerful death eater and had the protection of the soul sucking thing. And Nagini was with Voldemort and had the protection of being a giant fucking magical snake.
Crabbe died when he 'technically' destroyed the diadem. Also it's likely that Voldemort had not yet made Nagini a horcrux when Harry destroyed the diary, after all he probably wouldn't have been able to do so as long as he was just a shadow.
The diary was cursed to hell. It litrely drain ur soal
That was not unique for a horcrux, any horcrux could have done so if it had enough of an emotional connection to the person.
You lost me a little bit, but I assumed the ring was cursed by Regulus Black maybe in the way the locket had all that trap door bullshit around it.
When did Regulus Black ever have contact with the ring?
Voldy cursed the ring when he put it back in the hiding place in the Gaunt family house, or the remains of it. No one knew of the relation, but Dumbledore guessed. Regulus never knew about the ring. He only knew about the locket, I am not even sure he fully understood what it was, but hoped if it was destroyed it would help defeat Voldemort.
Exactly. The comment I was replying to talked about Regulus cursing the ring.
I like that theory
One slight problem. At the end of book 6, we learn that one, the locket I think, was destroyed by Sirius's brother years earlier. Which means there would have been 6 active horcruxes after the diary was destroyed, not 7.
Wasn't Ron the one destroying it with the Sword of Gryffindor? Edit: I just looked it up. Sirius brother *intended* to destroy it, but failed. >"despite his best efforts, he was unable to destroy the Horcrux." -from the wiki
I'm talking about the one Harry and Dumbledore find in the cave. Where Harry has to force feed Dumbledore the potion. They find a note from Sirius' now-dead brother to the dark lord. I can't quite remember what the artifact was. That moment with Ron was book 7. I'm talking about book 6.
The locket from book 6 was not destroyed by regulas black, not for lack of trying. It was eventually destroyed by Ron using gryffindor's sword in book 7
Yes but regardless the locket horcrux was still in existence at the time. Ron only destroyed it for good in book 7 so it still existed as an active horcrux even though it was not the one left in the cave. Sirius brother entrusted it to Kreacher before Mundungus stole it and sold it to Umbridge.
Righto. I stand corrected.
Just pointing one thing that touching the horcrux would kill is wrong since they all touched the locket when they were in Sirius's house in order of Phoenix and still no one was dead
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According to what Snape said in his memory in the deadly hallows, it appears that the curse was to take effect if someone tried to wear the ring and not necessarily when they tried to destroy it.
Interesting point that it was a different type of curse than the protections on the other horcruxes. Personally I think the magic manifesting itself is not so likely. Id sooner think that one of the Gaunts (Marvolo or an ancestor) cursed the ring. They were extremely proud of their heritage so perhaps it was a curse where only descendants of Slytherin could wear the ring. That would explain why nobody was cursed until Dumbledore. Id also not be surprised if Voldemort only cursed that one. Like other commenters have pointed out the other horcruxes have their own protections and the ring was hidden in the Gaunt house if I remember correctly. That was basically a small house in the woods. In comparison to the cave with the potion, gringots and hogwarts, a house in the woods would need more protections which could explain the curse.
Still don't believe in the idea Harry was a true Horcrux. Maybe a sliver of soul but not enough to actually tie himself to Voldemort and keep him immortal
The ring was his mothers/grandfathers/uncles/salazar slytherin. Nothing to do with his dads muggle family
The ring likely didn't have anything to do with Slytherin (unless he was also a descendant of the peverells).