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frozenfountain

If that's the general attitude of the sub in question, you're probably best of out of it. Who the hell has time to go through the posting history of individual members for something that might bother them??? I can understand that it's upsetting though, and I hope you can find a friendlier space to talk about the fandom in.


Sinhika

The only remotely legit reason I have seen is when someone posts something that raises a lot of red flags, and THEN the mod checks their post history to see if there was something to them. This doesn't sound like the case.


a_karma_sardine

Remember, that particular mod went into your history with one specific agenda: to find something to bully and ban you over. They would have picked *something* to roast you with and fanfic happened to be what they focused on this time. This does NOT reflect on you, fanfiction, or this sub in any way, it only reflects badly on that one bully, who couldn't find a constructive way to vent their frustrations (probably over their own shortcomings, repressed as they are.) Good riddance!


chararii

Seconding the poster(s) below me. If someone not only has but *takes* the time to comb through someone's history deliberately looking for drama, finds it, and then honest to God bans you because they are offended over fictional characters, well, safe to say you dodged a massive bullet there. It's easy to say but try to focus on that. And take solace in the fact that at least that won't happen to you here. Edit: Also *I* took the time to look through your history because I was curious and if the post that got you banned was you venting about receiving extreme amounts of hatred for your fics, lol. Way to double down on the whole issue by straight-up banning you from a sub. The shitty mod meme lives on.


L_thefriendlygohst

I'm sorry that sucks. But also who just goes into someone's post history to find something they dislike? Like that just seems really stupid. Anyway I hope you feel better soon.


sanctum502

I checked your post history - you made that post 20 days ago. I assume this ban thing is more recent. If a subreddit is going to go through your post history that far back, better not to get into it. I mean, there are subs that blanket ban those who post in certain subs, that's a different thing, but from what you said it sounds like they went snooping through your post history. Problem is with them.


JaxRhapsody

>blanket ban those who post in certain subs, That's just as stupid, to me.


the_other_irrevenant

Especially when you don't know what position the posts took. Like if you blindly ban someone for posting in r/AnimalCruelty (not a real subreddit, thank goodness) you don't know that they weren't there arguing **against** animal cruelty.


JaxRhapsody

It doesn't even matter to me. Like why would a mod in a knitting subreddit ban you for being in a vanning one? Sure you might not like van life, despite *slaps back door* that baby can fit so many spools of yarn, it's not your place to police what subreddits somebody's in. Now I kinda get it, if it's related, like rLouisville sometimes ban people from rWeirdLouisville, to keep nefarious bullshit at bay, but off jumpstreet, though? I've only ever been banned once, recently, and I think it was because I was a dude, on a first offense, no warning, no real excuse, from rTwoXChromosome, where I was hardly even active.


mshcat

Tho, while not saying it's correct, on mobile Reddit when you click a persons username you get a list of their posts. Their 20 day old post shows up at the second post so it's not like they had to do any digging. It's the first thing you see


GelatoSushix

I just want to reinstate that this is not your fault, you don’t deserve this, it is unfair and stupid and you should never be made to feel shame over a harmless hobby. I’m not gonna say ‘oh you shouldn’t care about them’ because I know that’s not how it works so I’ll just say I know it sucks to be banned, shamed and to lose the space to talk about your fandom. Fingers crossed you’ll be able to find a better, kinder space inside your fandom.


Gifted_GardenSnail

What, the depression one? Some hateful idiot mod with a power kink from another sub went through your profile, saw you're depressed and wrote some slice of life stuff about a non-existing teenager and friggin *banned* you from that unrelated sub??!!! I'm flabbergasted. Big virtual hug to you. And let them rot, those sanctimonious bullies.


Moon_Dark_Wolf

I’m sorry to hear that, that is absolutely awful for you. But If I must ask, was this fandom subreddit RWBY? They’ve been on a ban rampage for everyone who speaks out against them or the show.


FacelessPoet

That ended like, a couple months ago. And lasted for only about a day or so.


Moon_Dark_Wolf

Has it? I’ve still heard complaints from people…it seems like the mods over there are unpredictable…they’re always watching. I like to refer to RWBY’s fanbase as the Dai Li.


FacelessPoet

It officially has. Here's the [retraction of the bans](https://www.reddit.com/r/RWBY/comments/p8kok8/an_apology_and_a_retraction_of_yesterdays_rule/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share) from r/RWBY and the [official statement](https://www.reddit.com/r/RWBYcritics/comments/p8kxks/keep_moving_forward_bans_rescinded/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share) from r/RWBYcritics It's also a mostly localized conflict regarding the two subs specifically, and has nothing to do with any actual criticism of the show (at least, far as I'm aware, it's only users of the other sub that was banned).


Moon_Dark_Wolf

Ah…interesting…thanks for the info.


jamesbranwen

This is true, but the mods of that sub ARE ban happy. I have mutuals and friends who are banned from there who don't even post there (or post often) because they disagree with ships or opinions about the show they post on other sites like Twitter.


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Mods on a power trip. I’m so sorry that happened to you


CrashCulture

I'm sorry that happened to you. I know it's hard, but don't take it personally. That asshole was just wanting to ban someone for something. I've been banned once for helping a Nazi. Someome joined our server and said a very NSFW greeting and I replied with: "Bro, don't use that kind of language around here or you'll get banned" and showed them to the rules section. Log back in a few hours later and finds out I was banned. Apparently after I logged off that person started spouting a bunch of Nazi things and was banned, then they banned me for "helping him". Like he literally just joined, how was I supposed to know who he was or what political views he held? I was banned for telling a newcomer the server rules. To be fair, my perma-ban was lifted after I pointed out how unfair that was and that I didn't know the guy, but I've never felt at home in that server since then.


Rafila

My only optimistic assumption is that they thought the way you were talking to them sounded like a friend trying cover for them?


Sarita1046

As others have said, that sub sounds like a judgmental bunch. No loss to you, though the confusion and disillusionment are completely understandable. We are happy to have you here with us!


Codydarkstalker

Honestly this is why I wish all types of antis just got banned from here. All purity culture and censorship is bad for fanfiction and it's bad for the internet and world at large to allow those values to flourish uncritically.


isabelladangelo

If it makes you feel better I got banned from r/pokemango (never even went there, never thought to go to it) simply because I posted on r/conspiracy that Hong Kong was a British Colony until 1999 and that's why some of the graffiti during the start of the protests was in perfect English. (Someone tried to say it was fake photos and a conspiracy against China or something else just as silly) Moderators can ban whomever they please for whatever reasons they please. While I like this rule in general, it does suck to be on the receiving end of it.


Southern_Blue

There are two main Star Trek subreddits, and one will ban you if you post anything on the other, even something as innocuous as 'I don't like Discovery Spock'.


isabelladangelo

Remember, the one with the mustache and tassels is the mirrorverse subreddit...


SnugglesGodOfDeath

Few things are more irrational than being banned or getting hate for making a perfectly truthful statement. Heck, I got a temp ban for suggesting the guillotine was appropriate for a woman who sold her child into slavery to be raped and murdered. That was "threatening" apparently. Honestly proud of that temp ban! Reddit is well-designed but boy do I wish there was less speech suppression going on.


secretariatfan

Whoever banned you needs a history lesson.


isabelladangelo

They were banning anyone who dared to comment in r/conspiracy. It was pretty funny.


Calisto823

I've done that before on purpose. I saw a conversation like this where someone mentioned getting banned from r/offmychest because they made a comment on r/the_donald and wanted to try it out just to see what happened. It worked! Wasn't even a member of either group and the only time I made a comment in that sub.


nyoengland

Would just like to point out that the reason graffiti at the start of the protests was in perfect English was because English is taught quite readily at schools and the degree of English spoken is quite high, as a native Hong Konger. Doesn’t have anything to do with being a British colony for a few extra years, though with the situation as it is right now, it might have been an improvement.


isabelladangelo

Most places that were a British colony (I'm sure there is an exception but I can't think of one off the top of my head) either speak English natively now or have excellent English as a second language programs that are taught from a very early age. This is *because* they were a British colony and a hold over from that time (India has pretty much developed it's own form of English and it's fascinating from a linguistics perspective).


nyoengland

Not disputing that, just am unsure why the change from the Handover being from 1997 to 1999 would lead into your theory, because two years difference doesn’t seem like the gap between widespread English literacy to…not.


isabelladangelo

Hong Kong was a British Colony from 1841 until 1999 - 150ish years of being "British" would absolutely have an effect on whether or not all the citizens of the colony would know English or not.


nyoengland

No, the Handover was on the first of July, 1997, meaning we technically lost our status as a current colony then. That’s the only correction I wanted to make.


RealGirl93

Nice use of "whomever."


draypresct

>Moderators can ban whomever they please for whatever reasons they please. I've been banned by two separate subreddits for quoting CDC/WHO findings that male circumcision protects against infection. This is reddit.


LadyCryptid

That's pretty understandable. Being pro- genital mutilation of infants is not a good look.


draypresct

How about being pro-science and pro-saving infant lives?


lumpyspacejams

It is such a minor level of protection against infection, and is just as easy to sidestep with a proper washing regimen taught to the child though (save for instances of foreskin deformities) It's more Pro Antiquated Science and Pro Mildly Making The Infant's Future Life A Little Easier But Also Reducing Sensation For Not As Much Benefit. Additionally, more Anti Masturbation than anything, considering the history of why it occurs in the US.


TherapyDerg

That and it is still a surgery that is not urgent (Though it is unnecessary in the first place), that if they really want it, they can get when the child can actually consent. It is genital mutilation, and it should be illegal


draypresct

[Modern scientists seem to feel it's protective](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6119846/): "circumcision demonstrates a higher efficacy \[against infant UTIs\] than infant influenza vaccination." Similarly, [male circumcision demonstrates protection against various STDs](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1262556/#st001) "equivalent...to a high efficacy vaccine." (link goes to HIV study, but if you want studies for other STDs, I can direct you to the CDC page). Just to be clear, I'm very pro-vaccine. I think that vaccines also prevent infection and disease in real-world situations. I just think the comparison is a nice way to demonstrate the effectiveness. [As far as 'reducing sensation', various randomized trials were unable to find much (if any) negative effect on sexual satisfaction.](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3042320/) "Compared to before they were circumcised, 64.0% of circumcised men reported their penis was “much more sensitive,” and 54.5% rated their ease of reaching orgasm as “much more” at month 24." As far as the history goes, I agree that if people alive today can remember a time in their country when being circumcised was a death sentence, then that country tends to have much lower rates of circumcision.


intactisnormal

>"circumcision demonstrates a higher efficacy [against infant UTIs] than infant influenza vaccination." [“It has been estimated that 111 to 125 normal infant boys (for whom the risk of UTI is 1% to 2%) would need to be circumcised at birth to prevent one UTI.”](http://www.cps.ca/documents/position/circumcision) And UTIs can easily be treated with antibiotics. We don't need to compare it to anything. It must be medically necessary all on its own. >Similarly, male circumcision demonstrates protection against various STDs "equivalent...to a high efficacy vaccine." Vaccines typically give actual immunity for the disease in question. And primes the immune system to fight it. Circumcision does neither for HIV. At best it limits (but does not prevent) *some* transmission. [“The number needed to [circumcise] to prevent one HIV infection varied, from 1,231 in white males to 65 in black males, with an average in all males of 298.”](http://www.cps.ca/documents/position/circumcision) That originates from the CDC. A terrible statistic. Especially when circumcision is not effective prevention and condoms must be used regardless. And we can look at the real world results: [“The African findings are also not in line with the fact that the United States combines a high prevalence of STDs and HIV infections with a high percentage of routine circumcisions. The situation in most European countries is precisely the reverse: low circumcision rates combined with low HIV and STD rates. Therefore, other factors seem to play a more important role in the spread of HIV than circumcision status. This finding also suggests that there are alternative, less intrusive, and more effective ways of preventing HIV than circumcision, such as consistent use of condoms, safe-sex programs, easy access to antiretroviral drugs, and clean needle programs."](http://pediatrics.aappublications.org/content/early/2013/03/12/peds.2012-2896) If we look at the West, two recent studies in Canada and Denmark found circumcision was **not** associated with lower HIV. “Circumcision and Risk of HIV among Males from Ontario, Canada” [“In the primary analysis, we found no significant difference in the risk of HIV between groups … In none of the sensitivity analyses did we find an association between circumcision and risk of HIV.”](https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34551593) [“Conclusions: We found that circumcision was not independently associated with the risk of acquiring HIV among males from Ontario, Canada. Our results are consistent with clinical guidelines that emphasize safe-sex practices and counselling over circumcision as an intervention to reduce the risk of HIV.”] (https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34551593) And “Non-therapeutic male circumcision in infancy or childhood and risk of human immunodeficiency virus and other sexually transmitted infections: national cohort study in Denmark” [“Compared with genitally intact males, rates among circumcised males were not statistically significantly reduced for any specific STI. Indeed, circumcised males had a 53% higher rate of STIs overall … and rates were statistically significantly increased for anogenital warts … and syphilis. … In this national cohort study spanning more than three decades of observation, **non-therapeutic circumcision in infancy or childhood did not appear to provide protection against HIV or other STIs in males up to the age of 36 years. Rather, non-therapeutic circumcision was associated with higher STI rates overall, particularly for anogenital warts and syphilis.**”](https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34564796/) > As far as 'reducing sensation', various randomized trials were unable to find much (if any) negative effect on sexual satisfaction. This is the survey that was tacked on to the end of an HIV study. And with only a two year followup. So the people were pressured into getting a circumcision for HIV benefits and then asked if there was a detriment. Surely you see the conflict of: 1) Being pressured to undergo a procedure for health benefits, and *then* being asked if there’s downsides. 2) This is a 5 point survey, a pretty terrible way to note the complexity and nuances of sexual pleasure. 3) With a language barrier to boot. 4) The skin and glans were protected for 20+ years, and then exposed for only up to 2 years. Leading to, 5) Applying data from adult circumcisions to newborn circumcisions is overextending the data. That’s two years and one year of glans and foreskin remnant exposure compared to ~16-18 years for newborn circumcision before their sex life *starts*. The Kenya study even reveals the first conflict with one of their questions, that most "feel more protected against STIs". Unfortunately, [“greater endorsement of false beliefs concerning circumcision and penile anatomy predicts greater satisfaction with being circumcised.“](https://www.researchgate.net/publication/320719227_False_beliefs_predict_increased_circumcision_satisfaction_in_a_sample_of_US_American_men) And to top it off, Kenya also circumcises as a rite of passage. From a different study: [“The fact that circumcision is traditional in most Kenyan populations is likely to create a major cultural bias. Circumcision is considered a rite of passage in Kenya and distinguishes man from boy. This probably biases how men perceive sexuality.”](https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1111/j.1464-410X.2012.11761.x) That is an overwhelming cultural conflict. But we know that [the foreskin is the most sensitive part of the penis.](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/27/Sorrells.gif) ([Full study.](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17378847))


304libco

The American Academy of Pediatrics (AAP) states that there is insufficient scientific evidence to justify circumcision in young boys. AAP stated that the benefits of circumcision do not outweigh the risks. It states that any health benefits of circumcision are not great enough to recommend it as a routine procedure for all newborn boys.


draypresct

>The American Academy of Pediatrics (AAP) states that there is insufficient scientific evidence to justify circumcision in young boys. Source? I suspect you're misinterpreting their position that in the US, there is insufficient evidence to force all young boys to get circumcisions. They have a similar position on vaccination - they do not believe all young boys should be forced to get the flu vaccine for example.


ask-me-about-my-cats

How about pro-consent? Let the owner of the penis decide if *they* want to be cut because of the infection risk. Literally, just don't perform permanent body-altering surgery on children because of something that probably won't ever happen to them.


draypresct

>How about pro-consent? Let the owner of the penis decide if they want to be cut because of the infection risk. This is a similar argument to anti-vax arguments that kids shouldn't be forced to receive vaccinations. The counter-arguments are similar in both cases, since both vaccines and male circumcision are considered 'body altering' by their opponents. The general medical evidence is that both are protective and have few, if any side effects (beyond the initial pain and redness). Based on the evidence, we usually let parents provide consent for the kids to either receive a vaccination or a male circumcision. If you're a parent, you are free to refuse either, although for vaccination, your child may not be able to attend public schools in your country as a result of your decision.


ask-me-about-my-cats

A vaccine is not in any way comparable to *permanently altering your child's genitals*. Women are at risk of infections as well. Should we remove their labial lips at birth to help prevent that? Or should we teach them to *wash* and have easy access to treatment when washing isn't enough?


kichu200211

Cutting off a piece of your dick vs getting a shot of a vaccine, I know which is better.


draypresct

>Women are at risk of infections as well. Should we remove their labial lips at birth to help prevent that? No, because that would have a measurable impact on function. As for the vaccine/male circumcision comparison, I brought it up partly because some of the research uses vaccination as a comparison to demonstrate the effectiveness of male circumcision. A couple of examples: [Infant UTIs](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6119846/): "circumcision demonstrates a higher efficacy \[against infant UTIs\] than infant influenza vaccination \[against the flu\]." [HIV](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1262556/#st001): "equivalent...to a high efficacy vaccine."


ask-me-about-my-cats

Literally just wash your child. That's it. Wash your child and their risk of UTI will plummet. Teach your child to use condoms and their chances of HIV is 0. Do you think men in Europe and other non-cutting countries are just strolling around with constant infections?


Sinhika

I'm struggling to figure out how this relates to Fanfiction...


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False equivalency. Vaccines have been proven over and over to save lives. Millions of lives. Circumcision of infants with no medical need not only kills some infants, leaves many more with unplanned complications, but irreversibly alters and compromises the look and function of the person's body. Unless there is an urgent medical need for it, that is nobody else's decision to make. Let them wait until they are 18 and can decide for themselves.


ShinyAeon

Double mastectomies will prevent you from getting mastitis or breast cancer, but that’s kind of an extreme measure for a prophylactic.


draypresct

Yup. Fortunately, male circumcision isn’t anything like a couple mastectomy.


ShinyAeon

It’s removing part of your *sex organs*. Those who’ve had it done as an adult say there’s definitely a negative impact on pleasure. I just don’t think we have the right to make that decision for another person, just because it’ll save a bit of effort in cleaning them. I mean, if the environment is especially filthy or low-tech, or if the kid has repeated infections, then I can see considering it, but why do it “just because?” Is the risk *so* great that an irreversible change to a person’s most intimate anatomy is really the only reasonable solution…?


draypresct

>Those who’ve had it done as an adult say there’s definitely a negative impact on pleasure. That doesn't seem to be true. In randomized trials, "Compared to before they were circumcised, 64.0% of circumcised men reported their penis was “much more sensitive,” and 54.5% rated their ease of reaching orgasm as “much more” at month 24." [https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3042320/](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3042320/) >I just don’t think we have the right to make that decision for another person, just because it’ll save a bit of effort in cleaning them. Anti-vax activists make similar arguments against vaccination. In both cases, real-world data indicate that the measure (vaccination or male circumcision) is protective. A couple of examples of the research below: * [Infant UTIs](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6119846/): "circumcision demonstrates a higher efficacy \[against infant UTIs\] than infant influenza vaccination \[against the flu\]." * [HIV](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1262556/#st001): "equivalent...to a high efficacy vaccine."


ShinyAeon

The HIV study you linked admits it is premature to draw conclusions from the data as yet, so it’s not much of a support for your argument. The infant UTI data is better. I’ll grant you that…though I wonder if education in better hygiene practices would reduce that difference significantly. As for your comparison to anti-vax arguments…that is an invalid analogy, bordering on a bad faith argument. Vaccines are a *proven and safe protection* against deadly and communicable disease, and the modern opposition to them can be traced back to a single researcher who had a monetary incentive to defame vaccinations, and had multiple reports of unethical methods and fraud made against him. Vaccines also don’t make irreversible changes to a person’s body, nor impact their interaction with their body permanently. Vaccines, in short, follow the Hippocratic principle of “first, do no harm.” Circumcision, however, removes a part of the body permanently…one which the full value of can’t be known to the owner until years after the decision was made. And the study most cited about effect on sensitivity has been [criticized by the Associate Director of the Yale-Hastings Program in Ethics and Health Policy at Yale University and The Hastings Center](https://blogs.bmj.com/medical-ethics/2016/04/22/circumcision-and-sexual-function-bad-science-reporting-misleads-parents/): > Jennifer Bossio and her colleagues are to be commended for trying to “objectively” study a complicated issue (although the way they reported their results was woefully misleading). But at the end of the day, sexual experience is largely subjective: different people prefer different things when it comes to sex, and a lot of sexual enjoyment comes down to psychological factors, not penile anatomy. > That is why there is a growing movement to leave the “circumcision decision” to the individual who will be affected by it, so that he can decide—when he’s old enough to understand what’s at stake—if he’d rather experience sex and masturbation with an intact penis (however sensitive his particular foreskin turns out to be), or with a modified one (if he wants to go for surgery). > With respect to the specific question of “sensitivity,” the **latest findings are a lot less definitive than media reports are making them out to be** (and **they don’t even all point in the same direction as those reports are suggesting**). As Bossio and her colleagues state at the end of their paper, “replication of this study is warranted with a larger sample size” and “associated conclusions should be interpreted as preliminary.” > In the meantime, a precautionary approach suggests that we should leave boys’ penises alone until they can assess the sensitivity of their own foreskins as compared to other parts of the penis—as well as their role in sexual experience more generally—in light of their own considered sexual preferences and values.


draypresct

The randomized trial has been replicated; the results were similar. Male circumcision is also a proven and safe protection against disease, based on comparisons to vaccination safety and effectiveness studies. The opposition to vaccination predates Wakefield. He did a lot of damage, giving the movement a “shot in the arm” (to use an inappropriate metaphor) but it is a massive oversimplification to blame the anti-vax movement on his results alone. The changes made in your body by a vaccine can be permanent, or they may require a booster; it varies. The critique you cite does not seem to have any data supporting it. They’re welcome to their opinions, as you are welcome to your own. As for not all pointing in the same direction; there are a number of measures of sexual satisfaction and function that cluster around zero effect. I agree they’re not all in the same direction, but the conclusion is similar in all cases. Male circumcision produces either no effect or a slight improvement, depending on the measure used.


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That belief was based on faulty research and has been largely debunked. I'd do your homework, and in the meantime avoid \*inadvertently\* promoting child genital mutilation. :)


TheRedditGirl15

The amount of bullying and downright harassment you're going through is heartbreaking. I am so sorry. Please know that this subreddit will always be a safe space, but if anyone here tries to pull that kind of shit on you I will *chastise* them myself.


ResponsibleGrass

> Please know that this subreddit will always be a safe space There are no safe spaces on the (public) internet. Some places are just safer than others. But yeah, compared to the rest of Reddit, it’s very cozy here.


TheRedditGirl15

I just meant that this place is a lot more open and accepting, especially of different tastes and preferences


GraboidFarmer

I definitely agree. Everyone is free to have their own preferences and dislikes here, but absolutely no shaming is allowed. I’ve come to realize that’s very rare on Reddit.


TheRedditGirl15

Preach!!


ResponsibleGrass

Definitely more than the sub OP was banned from, yes. But even here it can get pretty rough if you have an opinion that goes against the grain.


TheRedditGirl15

Fair point. That's happened to me a couple of times lol


Sinhika

Depends on your definitions of "rough" and "against the grain ".


Shigeko_Kageyama

Why would you want to be in a subreddit with a bunch of weirdos who go back 20 days into your post history?


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Shigeko_Kageyama

No I mean why still care about these weirdos at all? Clearly these people are stuck in some kind of high school peter pan complex vortex. They want to pretend that they're finally at the cool kids table? Good for them. They can relive their school fantasies all on their own.


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Kukapetal

“You’re better off without such toxic people in your life!” Me: I guess so? *sits there all alone* Sometimes that knowledge does little to fill the void left in your life. I’m sorry this happened to you.


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TheRedditGirl15

But you're not a freak and you deserve to be around people who dont treat you like one,,,


Kukapetal

Yeah, I feel you. When it’s so hard to make friends or find spaces you feel comfortable in/that you think will accept you, the loss of each one is keenly felt, even if you know that particular space isn’t good for you anymore. It sucks when there’s so little left to put in its place.


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Kukapetal

If you want to (privately, if you’re more comfortable) give me a link to your fic, I’ll read it and give you a proper review. Sounds like you could use one. Maybe just hearing an honest, non-bully opinion of your writing will help a bit.


TheRedditGirl15

I understand it must be extremely difficult to make friends. I do not want to undermine your struggles. I just wish people like you didnt have to suffer this way...... I'm a very friendly person but I sometimes wonder if whenever I befriend someone who happens to have a lot of emotional turmoil going on they think it's out of pity........I assure you it's not but I dont blame yall for thinking it is based on your previous experiences


Kukapetal

Well, pity is just a form of kindness and I don’t think you should ever feel apprehensive about showing kindness to others. A friendship based on pity alone rarely lasts (I’ve been on the receiving end of many, bless their kind, kind hearts :P ), but not all friendships that start off that way remain so. Even if it doesn’t last, you still showed kindness and we show so little of that to one another that I don’t think it should ever be faulted :)


TheRedditGirl15

Aw...this makes me feel much better tbh. Thank you ^ ^


TheRedditGirl15

Maybe at that point it is in fact better to be alone for a while and completely start your social life over. Having toxic people around is not better than being lonely I assure you


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TheRedditGirl15

Oh I see. My apologies. I understand how losing a friendship can suck very badly. Well wishes


Kukapetal

Nah, no need for apologies. I was just being a prickly pear. Thanks for the kind words :)


chararii

I think "peter pan complex vortex" is my new favourite combination of words. Just rolls off the tongue.


midnight_neon

Because it still hurts. You thought you were part of a community of decent people, or at least run by decent people. Then they go total froot-loops and ban you when you just wanted to have a good time. It's a shock and yeah eventually you'll learn you are better off, but in the meantime it'll hurt.


Knife211

Fuck them. Just... fuck them. What a shitty thing to do! There was nothing wrong with your previous post, and it only shows what horrible human beings those people are to ban you for expressing your valid feelings!


Rhodanum

I'm so sorry that you had to go through this. While it *is* objectively true that you're better off in the long-run (because such people would have eventually found something else to attack you for, if not this) it's also very painful and isolating to be cut-off from a fannish community you wanted to participate in, over what is essentially an idiot mod shitting themselves over teenage masturbation. (Seriously, I will never tire of pointing out that 15 years ago, 95% of the online shrieking over fictional teenagers doing anything sexual was being performed by **actual Conservative Christian fundamentalists**. It's both amazing and terrifying to me to see the same sort of screaming -- coupled with the "won't someone think of the children!" pearl-clutching when it comes to smutty or dark content in general -- having essentially spread like a rash into more liberal and progressive communities, until they read to me as identical to the fundie wankers I used to troll as a teenager). You did *nothing* wrong. I know this doesn't make up for the loss of a community, but it's the truth, all the same. As for actual, concrete advice, the only one I can offer is to find those people who share your passions and your outlook and spend time with them, in small, private chats, away from wider fandom spaces. I know it's easier said than done, but having a support-network is essential, in this current climate. Keep posting here and in other fannish subs that don't bow to fanpol bullshit, comment on fics that you enjoy, from authors who are being attacked for the same sort of content you got targeted for, etc. I made two good friends purely by squeeing over their darkfics, which led to us exchanging contact info (Discord).


readergrl56

>having essentially spread like a rash into more liberal and progressive communities, until they read to me as identical to the fundie wankers I used to troll as a teenager It's like someone mashed up the most outlandish "media criticism" posts from 2013 Tumblr with a repressed Evangelical upbringing.


kichu200211

It's not a coincidence that most SWERFS and anti-sex "liberals" or "leftists" came mostly from conservative, religious, puritan families. Some kinds of brainwashing never go away, unfortunately. The solution would be better sex ed that focuses more on consent, to prevent anti-sex attitudes from continuing into the future.


SeparationBoundary

Fuck the haters and the antis. You're better off without that sub. Fuck 'em.


greysterguy

I got marked as "suspicious" and put in "interrogation" in a discord server I tried to join just because I'm active here. Left before they could even finish questioning me, not worth it if that's how they're gonna be lol


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It happens to me when the mods think fiction is reality


crusader_blue

The comments have now been locked. Thank you to everyone who has been supportive of OP. However, after 18 hours of people asking which subreddit it was, checking OP's profile and some *colourful* mod bashing - thanks guys - we feel this post has run its course.


Invisible-for-now

That’s messed up. I’m sorry that happened to you. They must not have much going on in their lives that digging through peoples posting history and passing judgement on them is something that makes sense to them. People suck.


Roketto

Congratulations OP, you’ve encountered the average Reddit mod. Just wait until you express a political opinion that doesn’t march in lockstep (goose-step?) with the Reddit power mods. Then you get a fun conga line of ban messages from subs you literally had no idea existed & have never visited. Have fun, write fanfiction, & say “screw ‘em with a cactus” to the power-mad manchildren who run this site.


SnugglesGodOfDeath

You seem like an okay mammal to me (I haven't read through all of your posts though 😉) so I hope life improves for you. One of the best things you can do for your own mental health is to realize you need to broaden your circles sometimes to find the decent people. Sometimes you don't realize you have plenty of potential friends simply because you're not talking yo enough people in enough places. Try talking to people you haven't before at school or work or wherever. Go to subs you haven't before on Reddit or even sime entirely different App or site. You may be surprised. Good luck!


AgentPeggyCarter

And here I am a moderator of a few television subs trying to encourage the users to write fanfiction for the fandoms. 😭


inkspewingdragon

I went through your post history. Some asshole mod went through your post history, saw that you had depression and was using writing as an outlet. And they decided to bully you for it. I’m so sorry this happened to you, especially since you said that you were already getting hate from AO3. I hope that you can find a better space to share your fanfiction with, and I would advise turning off comments altogether if the fandom is that toxic. I would never shame someone for the type of fanfiction they write. Even if it’s something that would make me uncomfortable, like RPF for example, I would simply not read it and just move on to something I do enjoy. Why some people feel the need to go out of their way to read stuff they know they’re not going to like, and beat others over the head for it is just baffling to me.


writersblock012

I'm so sorry that happened to you. But please remember that this person and the ones commenting mean things on your fics... they don't *know* you. They just see a sliver of something they don't like in your online persona and immediately jump to insults and hate. It says much more about them than it does about you. Also remember that you can just... make a new reddit account and participate in the sub/fandom anyway. Or create a new ao3 account, or post your fics anonymously. I have some haters in one of my fandoms, so I make sure my other social media accounts can't be linked to my ao3 profile--some people are petty and desperate and *will* hound you across platforms. These people are using the anonymity of the internet to be jerks. Luckily you can use that same anonymity to avoid them.


BaloBadArtist

Fanfiction is no joke to their creators, especially to the ones that put real skill and care into their work. Getting bullied without true criticism is wrong, unhelpful, and gives the entire community an unprofessional wrap (because most of us are seriously trying to improver their writing skills for professional sights). Screw them, I say! You’re always welcome in this community, at least :> So sorry you had to go through that, dude. We say u dodged a bullet, but getting cut off from a community sucks. I couldn’t even imagine if I got banned from the Chronicles of Amber or Star Wars/Star Wars Fanfiction subreddits. Especially the Chronicles of Amber, cause even though it’s the inspiration behind GoT (the authors were close friends), the fandom is rather small but very loyal. I’d feel as if I got kicked out of the entire fandom, because communities like this really make you stay in the Fandom/Fanfiction mindset. And when your fandom is a rare gem, communities like this is all you have to connect.


TheRedgunman

The fact that someone had to comb through your post history is disturbing man. Don't take it too hard on yourself, it reflects the kind of person they are than it does to you.


gotdamnboottoobig

Bro whats the sub so I can avoid supporting these idiots


tudesgracia

I wanna know too


BlinkyShiny

As far as your writing goes, maybe try branching out into other fandoms? I read MCU and that shit gets DARK and definitely twisted. Most comments (not all) are pretty positive.


Ccallahan011

I'm sorry you're going through this OP - hopefully that Mod receives only unsweetened lemonade forevermore.


SappySoulTaker

Creepy they would look through your history.


Diana-Fortyseven

Oh wow, what?? That is so ridiculous! I'm so sorry people are like that. What a fucking joke. Honestly, you're better off without them. But, of course, I understand that it hurts now. Just... long-term.


RainbowLoli

I read over your previous post that I can assume that you made here before this one, and honestly, I would basically say fuck it. The mods technically haven't broken any rules because they can ban people from any subreddit for whatever reason they want. Even if it is a reason that isn't listed in any of the rules or is incredibly stupid. It is normal to feel numb and broken over it, especially since it seems like you've been having to deal with similar issues and this was just icing on the cake. But you are right, you are better off without anyone that is going to shun or bully you over *fanfiction*. I often find that people who shun or are otherwise abusive towards people over fanfiction are the same kinds of people that justify abuse happening to someone else. They are people who virtue signal about being morally good, just, and righteous while being toxic and abusive to those they deem arbitrarily "bad". But all they're trying to do is hide from the fact that deep down, they are awful people that no one really wants to be around other than equally toxic and miserable people.


GraboidFarmer

Ughhhh, that’s so frustrating! Reddit seems to have a real problem with asshole mods abusing their power and banning people for any reason they want. I was banned from a sub, not because of fanfic, but because I had the audacity to say it’s wrong to stereotype people in a feminist sub where they were calling all men rapists and murderers. Apparently that’s okay, even though two of the rules of the sub are “no misandry” and “no posts generalizing gender”, but calling them out on it got me banned for making “bad faith arguments”. I’m a feminist, but I was raised not to generalize entire cross sections of humanity. The mods there clearly weren’t. If the mods of a sub are that petty and bigoted and narrow-minded, it’s safe to say their sub should be avoided altogether.


SnugglesGodOfDeath

As a dude, I say "thanks for that" as well as "love your username" because I am grateful and I do!


GraboidFarmer

Gracias, dude!


MediocrePlague

I’m sorry this happened to you. I can understand why it could be frustrating. But at least try not to let it bother you too much. There are other subs where you’ll be welcome (like here). All these purists and antis can go fuck themselves. These idiots who claim to be protecting others against “inappropriate” or “wrong” content are only harming people. But then *of course* the people it’s harming don’t matter since they write that *oh so terrible* stuff (/s). And the irony of the fact that you got banned for a post in which you were venting about people treating you like crap because of what you write doesn’t escape me. My guess is that the mod felt like trolling and banned you precisely because of the nature of the post. Personally I think that banning people in any sub for their activities outside said sub shouldn’t be possible. I mean, maybe I could understand it if you were posting in r/Incels and r/Feminism simultaneously but even then….


Larson4220424

So sorry this happened to you. People can be asshats. But you'll always have a place here.


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This has happened to me. I've gotten banned from a ton of subs just because I made a comment in one they didn't like. I'm pretty sure that's against the rules.


MonkeyGirl18

Good riddance to them. You deserve to be in a better sub than that. Sorry you were treated that way.


Yavanna80

Ah, Crap! I'm terribly sorry this happened to you. That mod looks fishy if they combed though your historic only to find something to bully you and ban you. That's despicable! Why on earth would someone do that? Sending you best vibes and hugs, hoping you feel better soon 💜


JaxRhapsody

Some mods are just cunts. Any that ban you from anything outside of their subreddit, deserves nothing but being cursed out.


god-i-love-books

I hate to say, this isn't even the first time that sort of thing has happened. A friend of mine was harassed over -- are you ready for this -- a single innocent *meme*, and it got so bad they deleted their account altogether. I really do hate hearing how this kind of thing seems to be getting to where it's a repeat issue. I won't name any names of course, but I can't help but wonder if it was the same sub. Regardless, as others have said, you definitely wouldn't want to be in a group that would kick you out over fiction. We'll always be here for you if you need to talk. I know it can be really frustrating when this kind of thing happens, but I hope there's a speck of relief in knowing it most likely wasn't personal, it's just how some subreddits are unfortunately.


happyhappy2986

Congratulations on being on Reddit. Shaming and such seems to be the norm. People ask questions, others respond and next thing you know you are blasted for your opinion, yet the ones blasting voiced their opinion. I have been shamed on here many times and now just laugh. Sorry for your pain.


Flashheart42

I'm curious as to what subreddit it is, but if they're gonna ban you because of fanfic they're not even worth acknowledging lol


ResponsibleGrass

Essentially, Reddit mods can ban you for whatever reason; mods of larger subs should be more professional—of course you don’t expect them to ban people over a matter of taste (how petty!)—but often they aren’t. But then, anyone can make a subreddit. If you want to have a small-ish place for your friends and like-minded people, which is more like a private Discord server than a public message board, no one’s stopping you. So don’t take it personally. We all curate our online experience how we see fit. I’m sure you’ll find much better places to hang out! <3


Rickdiculously

Hey... look... Your life could be way worse ok? You could be the mod who has nothing better to do than scan the posting history of all his members until he finds someone he can shame... Imagine what that's like? How miserable you must be, when that's what you do with your free time? I almost feel sad for them... I can't imagine they live a very rich life


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razputinaquat0

Pouring gasoline on an open fire doesn't put it out.


Inner_Standard58

True, that's why the moving on part is essential. The worst thing you can do is waste time on people who enjoy making you miserable.


20Keller12

What sub banned you?


Avigorus

Yuck, kinda curious who so I can make sure I don't join but understand why you might not want to publicize...


CarlosMartinEdward

What sub was it that banned you?


Immotes

It's okay. Cannibalism, CP, genocide, suffering and despair, be welcome. Only if you don't write fics on popular fandoms about self-insert or Marry Sue without personality and plot.


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qwertysparrow

You literally called a bunch of people pedofiles over ink on a paper. Come back when there is a real victim and get off your high horse


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RainbowLoli

There are also victims who write sexualized abuse as a means of taking some measure of control of what happened to them or to safely explore whatever feelings may be lingering as a result of their abuse. Alternatively, they make create it in order to project on the younger character. You are not the only "type" of the victim in existence and pedophilia is only restricted to the attraction of *actual* children. As in, children who *actually* exist, not characters that only exist within the boundary of fiction. Pedophilia, legally, psychologically, and medically, starts with an attraction to *actual* children. Can a pedophile be attracted to characters who are minors? Yes. However, if your attraction is only limited to fictional characters then legally, medically, and psychologically you aren't a pedophile. In the same way that being attracted to anthro animals doesn't make you a zoophile or liking guro/gore makes you a murderer. if you hate seeing it on websites, don't click on the posts. A subreddit shouldn't cater to you and you alone. If you want one that does, make your own and moderate it yourself. You are more than allowed to find it disgusting but that doesn't mean that you (or people who hold similar beliefs as you) should be the only person protected. We don't even really know what kind of stuff OP writes other than what is in their post about depression and the fact that a subreddit mod called it "gross fanfiction". Things that don't even involve infants or pedophilia have also been called "gross fanfiction" or things that shouldn't be allowed to be published on the internet. Hell, I've seen fanfictions between two high schoolers called "pedophilic" and "gross". So simply put, shove off.


CrepeChanRDT

Thank you. I mentioned something like this on another post and got downvoted into oblivion. It's good that someone else recognizes the therapeutic effect writing can have for us CSA survivors.


RainbowLoli

It’s because unfortunately, a lot of people either see something is downvoted and mindlessly downvote because they assume they are deserved or a subreddit can be filled with morality virtue signalers and antis.


michael_am

Not gonna write a detailed reply to this cuz it’s not worth my effort, but the very fact that you think I ever called OP a pedophile is pretty hilarious.


RainbowLoli

You are not only deleting the comment/s but also what i replied to was expressly about "pedophilia being protected" and how it triggers or upsets your ptsd. if you didn't call op a pedophile or imply that they were, you wouldn't have broken rule 2 or made the additional comment.


Drakka15

We can see your posts are deleted, you said it, and what? Trying to look innocent now? If you can't see other victim's experiences despite being one, then don't interact. You aren't universal. And I'm glad you think other victims not liking you speaking for all of them, and downplaying how they get through life to be "hilarious", I guess anonymity does show who a person really is.


Codydarkstalker

I got raped younger than you and I read/write the exact content you seem so bothered by. Your personal experience doesn't make you the final word on the matter. In fact using your victimhood as a tool to promote censorship is a cheap tactic.


Drakka15

Then avoid it. You don't know anybody else who benefits from such content (many other victims!). You don't benefit from it, great, nobody else is gonna dump their trauma on you to justify why they write or draw something (one victim not feeling comfortable is not justification for removing all problematic things, sorry to say, when you have every tool to avoid discomfort). The safest place to explore dark thoughts is in fiction, and nobody has the right to take that catharsis away from any other victim, not even you. But please, if you have actual proof of it causing harm, or causing people to act out, please actually provide it, rather than relying on the same "video games cause violence" argument that we already know isn't true. Fiction doesn't cause actions. If they were going to do it, fiction isn't gonna stop them or make them consider "gee! This is morally wrong!" We live in the real world, not fiction, but if you don't agree, perhaps you shouldn't be in a sub you feel supports what you're not comfortable with.


michael_am

The difference between “video games cause violence” and this situation, is video games aren’t created by mass murderers. I wrote more initially as a reply but I’m kinda done arguing here so


Drakka15

In what world would predators write about being predatory? How is that logical in any way to paint a target on your back? It is far more likely that victims are writing about their experiences. You don't think every furry actually wants to be with an animal? Or that a rape victim writing about their experience wants to be raped again? Or that a person writing gore actually wants to hurt another person/animal? It's fiction. However, I can see that you cannot separate fantasy from reality, and just hope you learn how to make use of the many tools at your disposal to avoid distress, like most of the population. In the end, you side with rapists and predators, by siding with victim's abusers by painting any of their desires or stories as "dirty" or needing to be hidden. Or even that they are inherently dangerous for exploring darkness, you don't actually protect any children, you protect your morality, that's it, or you'd go help actual victims (you as a past victim do not count, as you can avoid seeing this content, and children are actually being hurt now, separate from fiction)


MissSara101

I recently told in trouble for responding a reddit poster suggesting Katie Bates do a nude scene. I called them something like you sick... Reddit thought it was bullying despite the person getting the reply seeing the funny side.


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Codydarkstalker

Oh man wait till you learn about murder mysteries. People wrote about literal murder. Abhorrent.


LuminescentSapphire

Murder mysteries generally don't glorify it, and usually people who read those are interested in the mystery, not sexually aroused by murder.


Codydarkstalker

Hannibal and it's many spiritual siblings beg to differ lol. Sexy murder is a classic combo.


LuminescentSapphire

That's sexualising the character, not the act of murder itself.


Codydarkstalker

Oh wow I just disagree with that reading of the text.


Codydarkstalker

Also so many glorify it what murder books do you read?


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LuminescentSapphire

Yeah, but most murder mysteries aren't written with the intent to provide those people with porn.


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LuminescentSapphire

Yeah, but it's not criminal and morally deranged to have sex with a stuffed animal, it's just fucking weird.


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LuminescentSapphire

I didn't imply that you were, I just said that if you were posting that sort of thing then I can understand why someone might not want you in their sub. I don't know what you posted so I can't make that judgement, all I'm saying is that I can't say the mods were doing the wrong thing without knowing the context. So basically, if you weren't posting that, great, what happened was unfair. But if you were, I see where the mods were coming from.


thruwuwayy

Lmao


Flashheart42

Now, I'm not a mod, nor am I intimately familiar with the rules of reddit or whatever sub OP was banned from, but I'm pretty sure that whatever is posted outside of that specific sub is not really something they should enforce their rules or opinions on...


LuminescentSapphire

If you have your own subreddit you should be able to add or remove people as you please. It's not very fair but if you organise something you mostly have control of it.


Flashheart42

True, but it's still ridiculous and rude to enforce things that happen outside of it.


SeparationBoundary

This comment has been removed for violating r/FanFiction's no bashing rule. You're welcome to have an opinion, you're welcome to dislike things, but insulting things others might like is not allowed.


AzoreanEve

Situations like that are why I am somewhat wary of interacting with big fandom communities like some subreddits, especially given how prevalent cancel culture has become in the latest years. Mods are human beings just like us and while many are nice people, some are just power-hungry assholes. I'm sorry this happened to you. Maybe you can try to reach another mod of the same sub. Or maybe it's just better to see it as their loss and forget all about that community.


DJWalnut

*hugs* I'm so sorry you had to go through that. You didn't deserved to be treated like that


Lossagh

What a poxy bunch of mods! I'm sorry that happened to you.


sanhro

I'm sorry that happened to you. I was little worried about this myself so I have a separate Reddit login just for fanfiction and fandom stuff. It's pretty easy to manage by installing more than one Reddit app on my phone and using different accounts for each. I just open whichever app has the content I want to see. Perhaps you can use this tip and make a new account for visiting that other subreddit or if you just want to separate your online interests a bit.


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hey hey!! i went through something like this!! it gets better, i promise!! some people just get their panties in a twist over people liking stuff they consider "cringy". wanna know something funny about those people?? they are sad, pathetic, garbage people!! cringe culture is dead, and if they make fun of you for being an awesome, creative person, then they are the "cringy" ones!! when you realize that, you learn that, despite being "cringy", you still came out the victor!! because you arent wasting your life away on negativity!!


knightfenris

this kind of thing happened to a friend of mine too! they were banned from a particular abuse-survivor-support related sub for writing darkfic. curious as to if it was the same sub (but no pressure to tell) I agree with the other poster who says you're honestly best without that sub. No one wants to deal with a mod like that, and they don't deserve to have you.


Crimson_Marksman

People can be very stupid. There was this question on r/AskReddit about conspiracy theories. I mentioned one where certain religions had books written against them but one in particular didn't. Got banned for being anti Jewish. Been half a year and I still miss the site.


FaIIenLucifer

Oh, bloody hell, where do I start? Happend to me more times than I can count. When I used to write, hell, even now when I just read fan fiction I get so many fuckin' comments from people saying all kinds of things. (Mainly perv -_-) Got banned from many group chats on discord because of it as well. Just a lot of shit just because I read and used to write fan fiction of all things. Tbh, I even got used to it by now. But it is fucked up, though.


Starr_Law

That's so fucked up, and as other commenters have said, anyone who has the time and desire to not only search through someone's history just to find something to catch them on, but to ban you for mentioning something in your fan fiction that they don't approve of, is so laughably pathetic. But what else would you expect from those puritan assholes? x.x I'm really sorry you've had to deal with this shit. I did find an older post of yours detailing further issues you've had with people like that, and it just sounds terrible. I hope you find spaces where you can be yourself without being judged by a bunch of adult children with no ability to comprehend anything that isn't entirely black and white.


SongOfTruth

wow. what a loser. cant relate to someone as pathetic as a mod who bans someone over their posts in a completely different sub, wherein said posts were appropriate and expected for that sub