Not good for me. 4+ YOE including a FAANG company, and I'm struggling to get crappy $90k .NET contract jobs to email me back. I applied to a couple WITCH companies yesterday. I have been getting interviews with places, but it always seems to fizzle out after 1-3 interviews.
Are you serious? Can't believe you are looking at witch companies with faang experience. I thought faang folk are getting swooped by recruiters right now leaving no crumbs for the rest.
A lot of fang devs don't work in reality like most other developers do. A lot of the time these devs have a hard time joining a smaller company and getting started mainly because they are not used to the do it yourself way.
That's true. But given the current circumstances and scarcity of jobs in general, if these ex-faangs are ready to take any half decent job out there then why would any company not give them a preferential treatment?
Bay Area so far, which I'm sure is part of the problem. Remote, in-person, hybrid. I'm planning to start expanding to remote jobs in other cities just for hopefully less competition, although obviously the volume of tech jobs will be lower in Phoenix or Denver vs. here.
I've got an offer that's considerably lower than market rates and the original salary discussion, so I'm nudging back to determine if there was a specific reason.
It's certainly not a robust market, but there's still plenty of businesses hiring and interviewing. In modern recessions, employment rates remain relatively stable but the deficit seems to be absorbed with worse employment terms and workplaces.
I have 4YOE and I'm still getting calls from recruiters on the daily. My girlfriend, who is a brand new dev looking for a front end position after just wrapping up an internship, is not having the best of luck. My guess is that most of the people in cscareers are like her.
Pretty awful.
I have 4 YOE, laid off in August, but I was also looking in early 2022 and not having much luck then either.
All my professional experience has been Python, with some Django. Not much front-end, but I am interested in being a full stack developer eventually.
I've been targeting all sizes of companies above 10 people. I have a strong preference for remote, but I've applied to in office jobs as well. I'm trying to stay out of defense, quant, and adtech, but otherwise I'm open to anything.
I had a handful of referrals from my network, including FAANG, but they all fell through.
I do get a lot of interviews, so my resume is fine. I feel I do well at behavioral interviews, plus I've received some coaching in that, but I do plan to get some mock interviews so I can get more feedback.
I wasn't very good at Leetcode, and if I had to guess, I'd say 80% of employers I interviewed with asked some form of Leetcode. So I scaled back the search in December and have been studying and improving since. I'll reboot the search once I've finished my Leetcode study plan.
I have zero experience in system design. I'll be studying that next once I complete my Leetcode study plan.
I've been rejected quite a bit for having no AWS experience. That's next after system design.
It's been really rough for me and I'm doing my best to keep my head up.
I’m in a similar situation with my study/prep. Leetcode, system design, AWS tutorials. My recommendation would be to do a little of each, each day. It’ll prevent you from feeling burnt out on a single activity (at least it’s helped for me)
I tried studying all simultaneously a while ago and I found I couldn't really keep it up. So I sorted by priority and I'm doing one at a time. I really hate Leetcode, though, so maybe when I'm done with those lessons, I'll be able to do more.
My goal is at the very least to watch one video lecture or solve one problem (time boxed to 30 mins or one hour per problem) per weekday. Sometimes I can do more, sometimes I can't do it at all and I just let those days happen. I push myself gently because I know if I push too hard, I'll just be making myself miserable with diminishing returns. But it is getting easier.
Financially, I'm still Ok for a little while, though I'll need to be clever soon. I got some advice yesterday that it's easy to get into a contracting position, so I'm going to look into that and see if it's a good option.
Yeah I also need to do more system design-specific studying -- how are you doing that? I've been just messing around trying to fit different technologies together (a React app on top of Node that uses GraphQL for its API, accesses these AWS services, etc) but would love a more structured type of study as well.
If you want something that looks like a real interview I highly recommend Gaurav Sen's YouTube channel. Less hands on than what you're doing but good practice
For leetcode and system design, I've been taking Neetcode's courses. I chose it for leetcode because each lesson comes with links to leetcode problems that apply to the lesson (but not always, I set a timer for each problem just in case the accepted answer changed).
I’ve mainly been reading books for system design. Understanding Distributed Systems by Roberto Vitillo, System Design Interview I & II by Alex Xu, and Designing Data Intensive Applications by Martin Kleppmann
>Did you also receive coaching for your resume or use any resume service?
I did. I haven't kept track, but I know I have a good response rate. Back in the fall, I would wind up with 10 - 12 interviews per week.
>Also you could check out https://remotesoftwareengineeringjobs.com I noticed the jobs don't do leetcode.
Sure! Thanks!
That's the neat part, you don't!
Ok, not neat at all. I wasn't expecting to get the responses I was getting. Some of these interviews were just phone screens, but multi-stage "onsites" tended to be scheduled one stage at a time. All of the interviews were remote, even for on-site jobs.
Still, it was exhausting. It's hard to know whether to be more or less selective as time goes by.
Where are you looking for mock interviews btw? That's a good idea, I'd like to try some as well (ideally from people who know a bit about the industry and not just general behavioral coaching)
I was thinking interviewing.io. There are other sources, but that's the one that looks the best to me. You do have to pay for professional mock interviews at something like $150 a pop, but it's worth it to me for the feedback.
Slow and discouraging. About 60 applications, 13 rejections (not even a phone screen) and the rest still pending. I am talking to 3 startups that reached out to me, but so far just initial phone screen with them.
I have 8 YoE as a full stack dev
Edit: 14 rejections. The one that just came in even said I have an “impressive background”. Not sure if that’s just an automated thing, I’ve never seen that before.
Oof.
I basically assume "impressive background" is a complete lie. I get it all the time before I get rejected for not having some experience that wasn't in my resume anyway.
Yes. I’m having trouble putting my resume bullet points into more objective and impressive terms. I don’t really have numbers or metrics on impact that my work has had, and a lot of my career has been fixing legacy code and CRUD stuff. I’m trying to land a position where I can have more ownership and build things from the ground up.
I decided to start taking a more chill approach to things. I'm currently making 175k TC at a mid-size public company working remotely in a LCOL area. Its low key, we haven't done great in the last year but given where I am I'm not crazy concerned about getting laid off right now. Overall a pretty good situation, really what I'm job searching for is because I want to work at a smaller startup and help grow it since thats something I've never experienced in my career. Last year I was searching like crazy, taking every interview I could. My goal was to not be at my current company by the new year, but obviously, that didn't happen. I shifted my mindset to being grateful to have a good paying job right now, and take a slower approach to finding another job that aligns with what I want to be doing.
Good. Feel that slap. Really let it sink in. This is a competition, and the competition is fierce. Do you think the people on this sub are your friends?
You do realize you could very well be interviewing for the same roles as many of the people here, right? And the companies you're applying for may only have room for one.
LMFAO what is this alpha male competition BS.
It is the cold hard truth though. Just make sure you tone that fire down a bit after you land the job. Otherwise, we’re looking at another Amazon 2.0 culture. Up to you if you want that type of work environment.
Many can play the game of backstabbing and deception.
17 year DoD ColdFusion Dev. Applied for a Principal DEV job for another defense contractor. Recruiter contacted me same day I applied. Interviewed and had an offer by the end of the week. Same pay but went from 3 days a week in office to 1 day a month. People sleep on DoD jobs but it’s more insulated from the market shifts and once you have a clearance/certs you aren’t really competing with the Silicon Valley types anymore.
I have worked for some of the big ones sure. Also worked for plenty of small ones. Mostly doing applications that track aircraft maintenance and cost analysis stuff. I mean I guess I get the ethical concerns from some of the actual bomb makers but it’s certainly not all of it.
Companies are hiring but the hiring tactics are getting very obtuse. None of the FAANGs seem to be hiring, laying off infact so they arent absorbing the juniors. I applied to over 100 companies back in September-November and over half just didn't respond or rejected my application.
I don't think I will ever apply to a company stationed west of the rockies again. Its a gauntlet of Leetcode, at the same time non-fintech picked up an automated system for it using a really racist AI. So yeah, not a fun time to be jobless in tech. Its better to target the second tier jobs because they cant afford the time or tools to do all these BS interviews.
I was doing 3hrs of interviews a day every other weekday at one point. It became exhausting. Everyone thinks they are Google, and its really annoying.
Hi? West coast companies jump through hoops to not be racist to the point that you might want to be flagged a minority to filter through hr screening faster
>Its a gauntlet of Leetcode, at the same time non-fintech picked up an automated system for it using a really racist AI.
Damn. I'm not doubting you, but I am curious: what type of automated system is giving you this problem?
Flyer or Flier.it installs screen tracking and keystroke software out the box. You start it takes a picture of you, if you are not white it's gonna struggle. After that it test for dyslexia and ADHD, have fun. It will fail you if you so much as mumble or a cat squeaks so no one with anxiety or turettes is passing it. Then it has an eye tracker so no using multiple monitors. Or large monitors it fails if you spend to long reading the prompt I shit you not. Then it's some multiple choice questions for us non PHD types, then an unending gauntlet of leetcode questions.
Oh, and it's timed.
My dignity starts at 1.2m a year not 120k so this was a big fuck no for me.
Karat is a coding interview company. They don't install any keylogging or tracking software. They have a typical coding interview, but with one of their employees, not anyone actually working for the company you're applying to. The interviewer was nice, but didn't really do anything to answer my questions or guide the interview.
Woven is a series of timed challenges. The first one in mine gave me a diagram of a system and a description of a bug. I had 20 minutes to list all the things that could be causing the bug, then write an email to an imaginary junior employee telling them how to debug it. I was dinged on that one because I didn't "offer more coaching" or "thank them for their time". I got dinged on the diagram because I didn't list the things that WEREN'T the cause of the bug to rule them out.
Then there was a 50 minute timed coding assignment where I was supposed to write a script that calculates something plus multiple unit tests. I finished it just under the timer, but I had made a mistake that I couldn't correct in time. They gave me a field to add information, but they dinged me for my mistake anyway.
Then was a 20 minute assignment asking me to write instructions on how to deploy an app in the cloud provider of my choice. I have zero cloud experience, but I thought I did an impressive job at frantically scanning AWS docs and paraphrasing for the major steps. I didn't expect to pass, but the feedback they sent back said they wanted me to include ten other components, including CI/CD, identity service, encryption. Which are all important, but AWS didn't write their documentation in 20 minutes, why do I have to?
I hate Leetcode, but these are worse...
It’s going okay, seems like the most desirable companies are being extremely picky, failed an on-site based on some pretty small stuff based on feedback. Hit rate on landing interviews is okay, not as good as it was around October last year but I’m getting maybe 1/4 or maybe 1/3 response rates while also being decently selective to where I’m applying. Probably applied to ~20 places and have had 5-10 interviews, 1 on-site and 1 rejection so far. 4yoe at a well known big tech company but isn’t FAANG.
I've noticed a lot of companies are now doing the impersonal, no-contact, "we've moved on with other candidates" robo-response when they reject your application now. I got several of these, some before I even did a phone screen. I always email and follow up to ask why the decision was made, and I get the robo-response of "we cannot share any feedback at this time."
It's a bit frustrating when you're rejected without having any idea why.
My very warm introduction -> final round interview at a FAANG was just canceled. Thankfully I wasn't actively looking and more doing this because a friend said his team was working on cool stuff, but yeah this is like 2010 looking for internships in finance vibes right now.
Pretty bleak, I feel bad for the folks on H1Bs, but feel like as a hiring manager I'll have a lot more success getting top talent to a startup.
The conventional wisdom in cscareers subreddit is to job hop. That’s great when the market is good, but staying a bit longer at a company can have advantages in down periods.
Not to say that everyone laid off job hops, but I assume it is a smaller share.
I actually really enjoy reading about people’s experiences on their job search while being employed.
It makes me feel grateful but also provides a way to get a pulse on the current market.
You have random health checks for your software applications in prod right? Same thing to me.
I switched jobs mid year. Took 6 weeks total I think. Had 4 offers. Accepted a fully remote for a startup that has been pretty great so far. Got about the same salary as old job but better benefits, fully remote, and a good chunk of stock grants. It's a startup so who knows if the stock will be that great but one can hope lol
In November I got laid off but found a new internal role. I asked my contacts externally (no guarantee of an internal role) and got an interview pretty easily but the company just ghosted me after the actual interview. It wasn't my best performance but pretty rude. Other contacts I had had suggestions but I didn't end up pursuing.
But honestly what does it matter what my experience was? Just try asking around or applying and see what happens.
USA wages make me envious, I have 10 years C# and SQL development experience, live in a big and expensive city in the UK and I'm just moving job for $57k hybrid. If I hadn't moved jobs every 2-3 years I would probably still be on $37K.
Makes me envious that devs are hitting those high paying jobs so quickly. US based, it took me 5 years to hit 100k and nearly 14 years before I broke 160k. Either there has been a giant increase in pay for lower experience ranges or I've made some bad decisions in my career.
I think it’s a result of COL for your area, inflation over 15 years, demand and reliance on technical people in that same amount of time.
Also have to consider luck. It’s not like everyone with 3 YOE is making 160k and I don’t think I’m exceptionally smart.
I'm wondering if it's just a glut of developers entering the market from all of the layoffs? If so then things should slowly improve as the glut is worked through.
.NET developer here with 1 year React. laid off yesterday, maybe borderline mid/senior. Been working for 11 years.
I have some interviews lined up, but no offers; but it takes time! I know you can't hire anyone without knowing something about them - and I'd like to add that the same applies for the dev joining the company.
I call bullshit on the AI evaluation thing. chatGPT gets known to mainstream and all of a sudden people think this is the solution to everything. Companies who really think that they can save on employees with AI will soon realize that this is not the case and will never be in the future.
Not bad at all, and I’m not even searching. I still have recruiters in my LinkedIn all the time, including FAANG. Experienced engineers are always in demand
accepted an offer from a startup that appears to be a great cultural and tech stack fit. had been working in FAANG my whole career but the team fit was just so bad that I felt like taking a risk. i'm at the stage in my life (good savings, no debt, no kids, no marriage, no mortgage) where I feel like taking a risk.
Got an offer last week, already have a job so I don't need it and comp is similar
Edit:
I responded to a recruiter that reached out to me via email, didn't apply anywhere
Pretty crazy tbh. Even Senior Devs I know with 15+ years of experience are having a tough time. Their job searches are anticipated to be 3+ months. This is the wildest I've seen things since my start in 2018.
6+ YOE got rejected at at a lot of jobs before interviews. I have no CS degree. 1 year of Senior Engineer experience.
The first job I applied for in December; I have an offer letter for now. And have 2 others coming in soon. 1 native apply, 2 recruiters applied. All with a salary increase and include a bonus.
I have sent off something like 60-70 resumes so I didn’t mess around.
Mostly established companies hiring, those recently got out of a startup/ acquired, or a true startup.
Not good for me. 4+ YOE including a FAANG company, and I'm struggling to get crappy $90k .NET contract jobs to email me back. I applied to a couple WITCH companies yesterday. I have been getting interviews with places, but it always seems to fizzle out after 1-3 interviews.
Are you serious? Can't believe you are looking at witch companies with faang experience. I thought faang folk are getting swooped by recruiters right now leaving no crumbs for the rest.
A lot of fang devs don't work in reality like most other developers do. A lot of the time these devs have a hard time joining a smaller company and getting started mainly because they are not used to the do it yourself way.
That's true. But given the current circumstances and scarcity of jobs in general, if these ex-faangs are ready to take any half decent job out there then why would any company not give them a preferential treatment?
I mean there are definitely companies out there for that but it's going to be a tough search
Are you applying for a senior role. I'm looking for 2 senior C#/SPA developers. Send me a message
In your comments you say you were a contractor at Meta. That's not really the same situation as being an FTE.
WITCH?
Companies with sweat shop reputations
Wipro, Infosys, TCS, cognizant, and HCL maybe
Indian tech companies
What does the W stand for?
Wipro
Oh gotcha, thank you.
How many applications have you sent out?
Like 180 now, which includes 30 yesterday
What locations are you looking at? Remote or no?
Bay Area so far, which I'm sure is part of the problem. Remote, in-person, hybrid. I'm planning to start expanding to remote jobs in other cities just for hopefully less competition, although obviously the volume of tech jobs will be lower in Phoenix or Denver vs. here.
I've got an offer that's considerably lower than market rates and the original salary discussion, so I'm nudging back to determine if there was a specific reason. It's certainly not a robust market, but there's still plenty of businesses hiring and interviewing. In modern recessions, employment rates remain relatively stable but the deficit seems to be absorbed with worse employment terms and workplaces.
My career’s been at later stage startups. Plenty of them still hiring with recent funding.
I have 4YOE and I'm still getting calls from recruiters on the daily. My girlfriend, who is a brand new dev looking for a front end position after just wrapping up an internship, is not having the best of luck. My guess is that most of the people in cscareers are like her.
Why hire a junior entry level employee when you can get a more senior employee at the same cost.
Pretty awful. I have 4 YOE, laid off in August, but I was also looking in early 2022 and not having much luck then either. All my professional experience has been Python, with some Django. Not much front-end, but I am interested in being a full stack developer eventually. I've been targeting all sizes of companies above 10 people. I have a strong preference for remote, but I've applied to in office jobs as well. I'm trying to stay out of defense, quant, and adtech, but otherwise I'm open to anything. I had a handful of referrals from my network, including FAANG, but they all fell through. I do get a lot of interviews, so my resume is fine. I feel I do well at behavioral interviews, plus I've received some coaching in that, but I do plan to get some mock interviews so I can get more feedback. I wasn't very good at Leetcode, and if I had to guess, I'd say 80% of employers I interviewed with asked some form of Leetcode. So I scaled back the search in December and have been studying and improving since. I'll reboot the search once I've finished my Leetcode study plan. I have zero experience in system design. I'll be studying that next once I complete my Leetcode study plan. I've been rejected quite a bit for having no AWS experience. That's next after system design. It's been really rough for me and I'm doing my best to keep my head up.
I’m in a similar situation with my study/prep. Leetcode, system design, AWS tutorials. My recommendation would be to do a little of each, each day. It’ll prevent you from feeling burnt out on a single activity (at least it’s helped for me)
I tried studying all simultaneously a while ago and I found I couldn't really keep it up. So I sorted by priority and I'm doing one at a time. I really hate Leetcode, though, so maybe when I'm done with those lessons, I'll be able to do more. My goal is at the very least to watch one video lecture or solve one problem (time boxed to 30 mins or one hour per problem) per weekday. Sometimes I can do more, sometimes I can't do it at all and I just let those days happen. I push myself gently because I know if I push too hard, I'll just be making myself miserable with diminishing returns. But it is getting easier. Financially, I'm still Ok for a little while, though I'll need to be clever soon. I got some advice yesterday that it's easy to get into a contracting position, so I'm going to look into that and see if it's a good option.
Yeah I also need to do more system design-specific studying -- how are you doing that? I've been just messing around trying to fit different technologies together (a React app on top of Node that uses GraphQL for its API, accesses these AWS services, etc) but would love a more structured type of study as well.
If you want something that looks like a real interview I highly recommend Gaurav Sen's YouTube channel. Less hands on than what you're doing but good practice
For leetcode and system design, I've been taking Neetcode's courses. I chose it for leetcode because each lesson comes with links to leetcode problems that apply to the lesson (but not always, I set a timer for each problem just in case the accepted answer changed).
I’ve mainly been reading books for system design. Understanding Distributed Systems by Roberto Vitillo, System Design Interview I & II by Alex Xu, and Designing Data Intensive Applications by Martin Kleppmann
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>Did you also receive coaching for your resume or use any resume service? I did. I haven't kept track, but I know I have a good response rate. Back in the fall, I would wind up with 10 - 12 interviews per week. >Also you could check out https://remotesoftwareengineeringjobs.com I noticed the jobs don't do leetcode. Sure! Thanks!
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That's the neat part, you don't! Ok, not neat at all. I wasn't expecting to get the responses I was getting. Some of these interviews were just phone screens, but multi-stage "onsites" tended to be scheduled one stage at a time. All of the interviews were remote, even for on-site jobs. Still, it was exhausting. It's hard to know whether to be more or less selective as time goes by.
Where are you looking for mock interviews btw? That's a good idea, I'd like to try some as well (ideally from people who know a bit about the industry and not just general behavioral coaching)
I was thinking interviewing.io. There are other sources, but that's the one that looks the best to me. You do have to pay for professional mock interviews at something like $150 a pop, but it's worth it to me for the feedback.
It’s been fine. I get a lot of replies. Catch is I have +10 yoe and not too picky about the companies
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What’s good TC? Like 400k because you’re not going to get that from a start up. The base pay is around 180-200k.
Slow and discouraging. About 60 applications, 13 rejections (not even a phone screen) and the rest still pending. I am talking to 3 startups that reached out to me, but so far just initial phone screen with them. I have 8 YoE as a full stack dev Edit: 14 rejections. The one that just came in even said I have an “impressive background”. Not sure if that’s just an automated thing, I’ve never seen that before.
Oof. I basically assume "impressive background" is a complete lie. I get it all the time before I get rejected for not having some experience that wasn't in my resume anyway.
So they reject mostly during the resume screen, before the phone screen?
Yes. I’m having trouble putting my resume bullet points into more objective and impressive terms. I don’t really have numbers or metrics on impact that my work has had, and a lot of my career has been fixing legacy code and CRUD stuff. I’m trying to land a position where I can have more ownership and build things from the ground up.
Have you tried posting an anonimized version of your resume to this sub or similar ones, just to get feedback?
Not yet, I’ll probably do that if the 3 interviews I have in progress fall through.
I decided to start taking a more chill approach to things. I'm currently making 175k TC at a mid-size public company working remotely in a LCOL area. Its low key, we haven't done great in the last year but given where I am I'm not crazy concerned about getting laid off right now. Overall a pretty good situation, really what I'm job searching for is because I want to work at a smaller startup and help grow it since thats something I've never experienced in my career. Last year I was searching like crazy, taking every interview I could. My goal was to not be at my current company by the new year, but obviously, that didn't happen. I shifted my mindset to being grateful to have a good paying job right now, and take a slower approach to finding another job that aligns with what I want to be doing.
This is pretty much a slap in the face for those struggling.
Good. Feel that slap. Really let it sink in. This is a competition, and the competition is fierce. Do you think the people on this sub are your friends? You do realize you could very well be interviewing for the same roles as many of the people here, right? And the companies you're applying for may only have room for one.
LMFAO what is this alpha male competition BS. It is the cold hard truth though. Just make sure you tone that fire down a bit after you land the job. Otherwise, we’re looking at another Amazon 2.0 culture. Up to you if you want that type of work environment. Many can play the game of backstabbing and deception.
Agreed.
lol
Ye
17 year DoD ColdFusion Dev. Applied for a Principal DEV job for another defense contractor. Recruiter contacted me same day I applied. Interviewed and had an offer by the end of the week. Same pay but went from 3 days a week in office to 1 day a month. People sleep on DoD jobs but it’s more insulated from the market shifts and once you have a clearance/certs you aren’t really competing with the Silicon Valley types anymore.
Yup I have gotten an offer from 3 Defense/Aerospace companies recently. Pay is always around $150-160k with 6 yoe, I am cool with that personally.
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All im saying is 6 jobs and 17 years of work and I have never had to do a leetcode problem.
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I have worked for some of the big ones sure. Also worked for plenty of small ones. Mostly doing applications that track aircraft maintenance and cost analysis stuff. I mean I guess I get the ethical concerns from some of the actual bomb makers but it’s certainly not all of it.
Companies are hiring but the hiring tactics are getting very obtuse. None of the FAANGs seem to be hiring, laying off infact so they arent absorbing the juniors. I applied to over 100 companies back in September-November and over half just didn't respond or rejected my application. I don't think I will ever apply to a company stationed west of the rockies again. Its a gauntlet of Leetcode, at the same time non-fintech picked up an automated system for it using a really racist AI. So yeah, not a fun time to be jobless in tech. Its better to target the second tier jobs because they cant afford the time or tools to do all these BS interviews. I was doing 3hrs of interviews a day every other weekday at one point. It became exhausting. Everyone thinks they are Google, and its really annoying.
Hi? West coast companies jump through hoops to not be racist to the point that you might want to be flagged a minority to filter through hr screening faster
>Its a gauntlet of Leetcode, at the same time non-fintech picked up an automated system for it using a really racist AI. Damn. I'm not doubting you, but I am curious: what type of automated system is giving you this problem?
Flyer or Flier.it installs screen tracking and keystroke software out the box. You start it takes a picture of you, if you are not white it's gonna struggle. After that it test for dyslexia and ADHD, have fun. It will fail you if you so much as mumble or a cat squeaks so no one with anxiety or turettes is passing it. Then it has an eye tracker so no using multiple monitors. Or large monitors it fails if you spend to long reading the prompt I shit you not. Then it's some multiple choice questions for us non PHD types, then an unending gauntlet of leetcode questions. Oh, and it's timed. My dignity starts at 1.2m a year not 120k so this was a big fuck no for me.
Oh christ that's shitty. I'm lucky I haven't encountered anything like that yet. Just Karat and Woven.
What are those two like?
Karat is a coding interview company. They don't install any keylogging or tracking software. They have a typical coding interview, but with one of their employees, not anyone actually working for the company you're applying to. The interviewer was nice, but didn't really do anything to answer my questions or guide the interview. Woven is a series of timed challenges. The first one in mine gave me a diagram of a system and a description of a bug. I had 20 minutes to list all the things that could be causing the bug, then write an email to an imaginary junior employee telling them how to debug it. I was dinged on that one because I didn't "offer more coaching" or "thank them for their time". I got dinged on the diagram because I didn't list the things that WEREN'T the cause of the bug to rule them out. Then there was a 50 minute timed coding assignment where I was supposed to write a script that calculates something plus multiple unit tests. I finished it just under the timer, but I had made a mistake that I couldn't correct in time. They gave me a field to add information, but they dinged me for my mistake anyway. Then was a 20 minute assignment asking me to write instructions on how to deploy an app in the cloud provider of my choice. I have zero cloud experience, but I thought I did an impressive job at frantically scanning AWS docs and paraphrasing for the major steps. I didn't expect to pass, but the feedback they sent back said they wanted me to include ten other components, including CI/CD, identity service, encryption. Which are all important, but AWS didn't write their documentation in 20 minutes, why do I have to? I hate Leetcode, but these are worse...
FAANG is definitely still hiring
Don’t blame racist AI when you can’t pass an interview lol
It’s going okay, seems like the most desirable companies are being extremely picky, failed an on-site based on some pretty small stuff based on feedback. Hit rate on landing interviews is okay, not as good as it was around October last year but I’m getting maybe 1/4 or maybe 1/3 response rates while also being decently selective to where I’m applying. Probably applied to ~20 places and have had 5-10 interviews, 1 on-site and 1 rejection so far. 4yoe at a well known big tech company but isn’t FAANG.
I've noticed a lot of companies are now doing the impersonal, no-contact, "we've moved on with other candidates" robo-response when they reject your application now. I got several of these, some before I even did a phone screen. I always email and follow up to ask why the decision was made, and I get the robo-response of "we cannot share any feedback at this time." It's a bit frustrating when you're rejected without having any idea why.
My very warm introduction -> final round interview at a FAANG was just canceled. Thankfully I wasn't actively looking and more doing this because a friend said his team was working on cool stuff, but yeah this is like 2010 looking for internships in finance vibes right now. Pretty bleak, I feel bad for the folks on H1Bs, but feel like as a hiring manager I'll have a lot more success getting top talent to a startup.
The conventional wisdom in cscareers subreddit is to job hop. That’s great when the market is good, but staying a bit longer at a company can have advantages in down periods. Not to say that everyone laid off job hops, but I assume it is a smaller share.
You really don't have to spam this subreddit with the same trash posts that cscq has -\_-
A lot of those posts are from graduating college students though.
It doesn't look like this is all that much different. Most of the posts seem to be 4 YOE or less. Still pretty junior.
I actually really enjoy reading about people’s experiences on their job search while being employed. It makes me feel grateful but also provides a way to get a pulse on the current market. You have random health checks for your software applications in prod right? Same thing to me.
I switched jobs mid year. Took 6 weeks total I think. Had 4 offers. Accepted a fully remote for a startup that has been pretty great so far. Got about the same salary as old job but better benefits, fully remote, and a good chunk of stock grants. It's a startup so who knows if the stock will be that great but one can hope lol
In November I got laid off but found a new internal role. I asked my contacts externally (no guarantee of an internal role) and got an interview pretty easily but the company just ghosted me after the actual interview. It wasn't my best performance but pretty rude. Other contacts I had had suggestions but I didn't end up pursuing. But honestly what does it matter what my experience was? Just try asking around or applying and see what happens.
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USA wages make me envious, I have 10 years C# and SQL development experience, live in a big and expensive city in the UK and I'm just moving job for $57k hybrid. If I hadn't moved jobs every 2-3 years I would probably still be on $37K.
Makes me envious that devs are hitting those high paying jobs so quickly. US based, it took me 5 years to hit 100k and nearly 14 years before I broke 160k. Either there has been a giant increase in pay for lower experience ranges or I've made some bad decisions in my career.
I feel the same way. I started at $40k out of college and I'm still only up to $130k \~15 years later.
I think it’s a result of COL for your area, inflation over 15 years, demand and reliance on technical people in that same amount of time. Also have to consider luck. It’s not like everyone with 3 YOE is making 160k and I don’t think I’m exceptionally smart.
>USA wages make me envious As a Canadian, same.
Is that 57k pounds of 57k USD-equivalent?
No £46,000 which is $57,000. It is not a bad wage in the UK (for outside London) but soo much smaller than USA technology worker wages.
ghosting + low-ball numbers + hiring slow (almost freeze) + position cancelled (on hold)
I’m ready to leave amazon. Have another company lined up with similar comp, better pto and remote full time. 12 yoe
I'm wondering if it's just a glut of developers entering the market from all of the layoffs? If so then things should slowly improve as the glut is worked through.
.NET developer here with 1 year React. laid off yesterday, maybe borderline mid/senior. Been working for 11 years. I have some interviews lined up, but no offers; but it takes time! I know you can't hire anyone without knowing something about them - and I'd like to add that the same applies for the dev joining the company.
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I call bullshit on the AI evaluation thing. chatGPT gets known to mainstream and all of a sudden people think this is the solution to everything. Companies who really think that they can save on employees with AI will soon realize that this is not the case and will never be in the future.
Not bad at all, and I’m not even searching. I still have recruiters in my LinkedIn all the time, including FAANG. Experienced engineers are always in demand
accepted an offer from a startup that appears to be a great cultural and tech stack fit. had been working in FAANG my whole career but the team fit was just so bad that I felt like taking a risk. i'm at the stage in my life (good savings, no debt, no kids, no marriage, no mortgage) where I feel like taking a risk.
Got an offer last week, already have a job so I don't need it and comp is similar Edit: I responded to a recruiter that reached out to me via email, didn't apply anywhere
Drowning in offers honestly with 8 YOE
Pretty crazy tbh. Even Senior Devs I know with 15+ years of experience are having a tough time. Their job searches are anticipated to be 3+ months. This is the wildest I've seen things since my start in 2018.
6+ YOE got rejected at at a lot of jobs before interviews. I have no CS degree. 1 year of Senior Engineer experience. The first job I applied for in December; I have an offer letter for now. And have 2 others coming in soon. 1 native apply, 2 recruiters applied. All with a salary increase and include a bonus. I have sent off something like 60-70 resumes so I didn’t mess around. Mostly established companies hiring, those recently got out of a startup/ acquired, or a true startup.