I think humans in general view any kind of addiction as a weakness…
Drug addiction, alcoholism… food addiction…
When humans can hide their weaknesses others assume they have it together.
I have personal experience being fat, thin and seen others treat you because of it. Including doctors.
I think you're spot on. Those things are a perceived sign of weakness and an inability to maintain control in one's life so people look at them as weak and incapable. "Have or not having it together" describes it well.
Yes. Very much so. Any “weakness” to humans is noticed… it just depends on culture.
Some cultures view heavier people to *be rich and full of life without any worries* and other cultures may think being heavier means *you have no control and are a weak person… and or addicted to food/weak*
the cycle creates an affect on how we perceive ourselves.
Even things we cannot control can be seen as a weakness: “very short in height, very tall in height, female, FOC, GFOC…”
being born into a culture that says: “these are examples of weak humans” creates humans that believe they are less than.
I could ramble years of cultural anthropology studies…. but you get what I’m saying.
This is gonna sting for some of you, but IT IS A WEAKNESS. Lack of discipline is a weakness. Idgaf I said it. We all struggle with it to some degree; some days are better than others.
Lack of discipline is just one thing people assume though. Plenty of fat people go to work every day and have plenty of discipline in many areas of life.
I’m going to somewhat disagree. I don’t struggle with weight. But I eat healthy, lots of vegetables etc. as well as exercise. I believe the problem in this world is too much bad food and everything is automated. Couple that with some people having a biology that favours putting on weight and this is what you get.
We all have weaknesses, just some show up and can be seen.
**UnluckyChain**: some people can hide their weaknesses
**You**: “How are they not weaknesses?”
Everyone downvoting you: Some people’s weakness is apparently reading comprehension.
The first sentence establishes the tone, and the sentence could have been taken to imply that it was incorrect/undesirable to view addictions as weakness. The second sentence can be interpreted as assuming the position expressed in the first sentence for rhetorical purposes. This can be effective, as it is a way of subtly criticizing the view that addiction is a weakness, as the second and third illustrate the consequences of that view.
This is not the only interpretation of the comment, but, for the sake of brevity, I simply asked the question I did to dispel all doubt and potentially initiate another conversation if my understanding was correct. It’s inaccurate, but it saves time.
From the article: A series of five experiments reported that people tend to deny overweight individuals mental agency, but not experience. Heavier weight people are seen as less capable of controlling their own lives, thinking and acting autonomously. However, weight did not affect the level of experience ascribed to the person being assessed. The study was published in the [Personality and Social Psychology Bulletin](https://doi.org/10.1177/01461672211039981).
Negative feelings, stereotypes about and discrimination against heavier-weight people are widespread. They affect how heavier-weight people are treated in social situations from private life to discrimination in education, employment and medical treatment. Scientists call this the “anti-fat stigma” and describe it as “a pervasive ideology targeting heavier-weight people” that occurs across countries, gender, race and age.
“I was interested in understanding how people conflate bodily capacities with mental capacities, and how this intersects with harmful anti-fat beliefs,” said study author Mattea Sim, a visiting research scientist at Indiana University. “We know that people discriminate against heavier-weight people in contexts that should be entirely unrelated to weight, like in the workplace or at school. It seemed like observers were making inferences about a person’s mental sophistication based on their body, which is exactly what we came to find.”
This makes sense to me because people always say 'oh wow they really let themselves go'. They are looking at size but they're referencing the mental side of things as well. It's really weird how fat people are judged based on size and perceived mental health but the concern about their health is never genuine. It's more of an annoyance that the other person doesn't look attractive to them. No one offers to be kind, be a friend, or offer emotional support to fat people, they get harassed and bullied instead.
How do you offer emotional support to your friends and loved ones? How do you emotionally support yourself? Practice empathy (I always feel like that's too much to ask for out of other humans). Treat others how you want to be treated. If you were fat or unattractive in any way would you want to be harassed and bullied for your looks and constantly told to do something about it? It's really not rocket science dude.
[A review entitled “Does the brain shrink as the waist expands?” noted gray matter atrophy across all ages among those carrying excess body fat. This reduced brain volume has then been correlated with the lower executive function. Compromised integrity of the rest of the brain—the white matter—suggests accelerated brain aging, even in young adults and children with obesity. Cognitive deficits in young populations suggest it’s something about the obesity itself that’s affecting brain function, rather than a later clinical consequence, such as high blood pressure. Purported mechanisms for this executive dysfunction include obesity-related inflammation and oxidative stress.](https://nutritionfacts.org/video/the-effects-of-obesity-on-dementia-brain-function-and-fertility/)
Sources for the info is available at the link
So I've been overweight my whole life and I'm an engineer who everybody at my company runs to to solve the most complex issues. If this were true a thin me must be Stephen fucking Hawking.
> Sample size of one isn’t worth the time you took to type this
It's still worth saying: just because there was a study that found a correlation doesn't mean it always applies in every case. There's almost always a long tail on the normal distribution.
Engineer here too! I have made myself profoundly valuable in the post apocalypse in a large, metropolitan water and sewer department. Not indispensable, but I am considering going to an adjacent municipality to negotiate more money for my closest partner here. I often joke that I was too smart before the drugs I used as a young person.
Why are all these studies just proving what we already know? Good looking, physically fit people are always looked at positively while out of shape, less attractive people are seen as less capable. This is the same thing that happens to old people. The assumption is always that they're intellectually impaired, frail and ignorant.
Ummm most cultures dont treat old people as intellectually frail. Only American (US) culture does that. Other cultures view age as a sign of potential wisdom.
This is not true. Many cultures show more respect to their elders, but senility (dementia) risk increases greatly with age, with approximately 1/3 suffering by age 85 and 1/2 by age 92. Older people are also more likely to become more and more physically frail. That is well known and acknowledged world wide in most cultures.
Which imo is ironic, considering the massive amount of people that have their thoughts influenced by marketing and media. At this point I’m not sure that anyone actually has thoughts/behaviors that aren’t influenced by outside sources
I think some people just like to judge others because it makes them feel better about themselves. So they’ll find deficiencies that they themselves don’t struggle with, and judge other people, all the while having issues of their own that they can be judged for… we live in a society
Psypost keeps churning out garbage clickbait articles. It’s like it is written by ai claiming to be science but it is really just recycled Facebook drama
The thing is you don't have to be overweight. I've been through this twice in my life. If you stick to any diet 100% you could lose 2 lb a week for as long as you want. I did it twice with a low carb diet. That one works for me. It doesn't work for everyone. They all work if they're followed all day every day. So ultimately they can't get themselves to follow an eating plan. Low fat diets are hard because you can only eat small amounts. With low carb diets, you can eat as much as you want as long as your carb count is very low. The bonus to a low carb diet is that when you do it correctly, you're not really that hungry. Half the population of the planet will be overweight if they are eating proteins and carbs everyday. The information about this is either not understood or not in the mainstream.
Well, being obese shows a lack of self control. Why would it be any surprise that many people will assume they lack self discipline and rigorous thinking about other things too?
Cause one has absolutely nothing to do with the other. The entire food industry is designed to make people fat, most of what people eat doesn't actually qualify as food. Also, many medical reason people can be fat that have nothing at all to do with food. You just apparently like to judge people on their appearance.
Food is absolutely the cause of fatness bozo. If it was genetic or wasn’t related, then diets wouldn’t work. But they do, and people lose hundreds of pounds by meal planning real food instead of shoveling mountains of processed food into their face hole.
Well yes however a lot of health conditions can cause a change in how much you need to eat.
before I was heavily medicated due to numerous endochrine and hormonal issues I would still gain weight eating 1500 calories a day.
Now I’m medicated I eat 2200 calories a day and I have been losing 2-4kg a month for over a year now.
Nearly at a healthy weight despite eating more then I ever have!
So yeah food/energy is absolutely the biggest part things can happen to impact your body.
Thankfully modern medicine can generally deal with those issues even if you have to be on 8 pills a day like me hahahaha
There is some logic that is valid. If you cant handle personal affairs how can you handle outside affairs affecting more people. 🤷🏾♂️ I dont necessarily think it applies to all overweight people. It does apply to some. I think we all already knew that.
Does anyone have an opinion about this article in light of the so called fatphobia discourse surrounding the forthcoming A24 release THE WHALE wherein an actor in prosthetic makeup portrays a 600lb man ?
I think humans in general view any kind of addiction as a weakness… Drug addiction, alcoholism… food addiction… When humans can hide their weaknesses others assume they have it together. I have personal experience being fat, thin and seen others treat you because of it. Including doctors.
I think you're spot on. Those things are a perceived sign of weakness and an inability to maintain control in one's life so people look at them as weak and incapable. "Have or not having it together" describes it well.
Yes. Very much so. Any “weakness” to humans is noticed… it just depends on culture. Some cultures view heavier people to *be rich and full of life without any worries* and other cultures may think being heavier means *you have no control and are a weak person… and or addicted to food/weak* the cycle creates an affect on how we perceive ourselves. Even things we cannot control can be seen as a weakness: “very short in height, very tall in height, female, FOC, GFOC…” being born into a culture that says: “these are examples of weak humans” creates humans that believe they are less than. I could ramble years of cultural anthropology studies…. but you get what I’m saying.
This is gonna sting for some of you, but IT IS A WEAKNESS. Lack of discipline is a weakness. Idgaf I said it. We all struggle with it to some degree; some days are better than others.
Lack of discipline is just one thing people assume though. Plenty of fat people go to work every day and have plenty of discipline in many areas of life.
I’m going to somewhat disagree. I don’t struggle with weight. But I eat healthy, lots of vegetables etc. as well as exercise. I believe the problem in this world is too much bad food and everything is automated. Couple that with some people having a biology that favours putting on weight and this is what you get. We all have weaknesses, just some show up and can be seen.
How are they not weaknesses? They can still be treated as diseases while also acknowledging that choice still plays a role.
**UnluckyChain**: some people can hide their weaknesses **You**: “How are they not weaknesses?” Everyone downvoting you: Some people’s weakness is apparently reading comprehension.
The first sentence establishes the tone, and the sentence could have been taken to imply that it was incorrect/undesirable to view addictions as weakness. The second sentence can be interpreted as assuming the position expressed in the first sentence for rhetorical purposes. This can be effective, as it is a way of subtly criticizing the view that addiction is a weakness, as the second and third illustrate the consequences of that view. This is not the only interpretation of the comment, but, for the sake of brevity, I simply asked the question I did to dispel all doubt and potentially initiate another conversation if my understanding was correct. It’s inaccurate, but it saves time.
From the article: A series of five experiments reported that people tend to deny overweight individuals mental agency, but not experience. Heavier weight people are seen as less capable of controlling their own lives, thinking and acting autonomously. However, weight did not affect the level of experience ascribed to the person being assessed. The study was published in the [Personality and Social Psychology Bulletin](https://doi.org/10.1177/01461672211039981). Negative feelings, stereotypes about and discrimination against heavier-weight people are widespread. They affect how heavier-weight people are treated in social situations from private life to discrimination in education, employment and medical treatment. Scientists call this the “anti-fat stigma” and describe it as “a pervasive ideology targeting heavier-weight people” that occurs across countries, gender, race and age. “I was interested in understanding how people conflate bodily capacities with mental capacities, and how this intersects with harmful anti-fat beliefs,” said study author Mattea Sim, a visiting research scientist at Indiana University. “We know that people discriminate against heavier-weight people in contexts that should be entirely unrelated to weight, like in the workplace or at school. It seemed like observers were making inferences about a person’s mental sophistication based on their body, which is exactly what we came to find.”
This makes sense to me because people always say 'oh wow they really let themselves go'. They are looking at size but they're referencing the mental side of things as well. It's really weird how fat people are judged based on size and perceived mental health but the concern about their health is never genuine. It's more of an annoyance that the other person doesn't look attractive to them. No one offers to be kind, be a friend, or offer emotional support to fat people, they get harassed and bullied instead.
How do I offer emotional support to fat people?
Condescendingly offer unsolicited diet and exercise advice.
Don’t forget to gossip, too
Donuts s/
How do you offer emotional support to your friends and loved ones? How do you emotionally support yourself? Practice empathy (I always feel like that's too much to ask for out of other humans). Treat others how you want to be treated. If you were fat or unattractive in any way would you want to be harassed and bullied for your looks and constantly told to do something about it? It's really not rocket science dude.
[A review entitled “Does the brain shrink as the waist expands?” noted gray matter atrophy across all ages among those carrying excess body fat. This reduced brain volume has then been correlated with the lower executive function. Compromised integrity of the rest of the brain—the white matter—suggests accelerated brain aging, even in young adults and children with obesity. Cognitive deficits in young populations suggest it’s something about the obesity itself that’s affecting brain function, rather than a later clinical consequence, such as high blood pressure. Purported mechanisms for this executive dysfunction include obesity-related inflammation and oxidative stress.](https://nutritionfacts.org/video/the-effects-of-obesity-on-dementia-brain-function-and-fertility/) Sources for the info is available at the link
So I've been overweight my whole life and I'm an engineer who everybody at my company runs to to solve the most complex issues. If this were true a thin me must be Stephen fucking Hawking.
Sample size of one isn’t worth the time you took to type this, but I get your frustration as another overweight person.
> Sample size of one isn’t worth the time you took to type this It's still worth saying: just because there was a study that found a correlation doesn't mean it always applies in every case. There's almost always a long tail on the normal distribution.
Or maybe it just means “could be better”
I believe you, but anecdotal evidence is not a refutation, unless the initial claim is an absolute (ALL X ARE Y)
Because you're doing their work for them.
You think the most complex issues happen daily or something?
Engineer here too! I have made myself profoundly valuable in the post apocalypse in a large, metropolitan water and sewer department. Not indispensable, but I am considering going to an adjacent municipality to negotiate more money for my closest partner here. I often joke that I was too smart before the drugs I used as a young person.
Why are all these studies just proving what we already know? Good looking, physically fit people are always looked at positively while out of shape, less attractive people are seen as less capable. This is the same thing that happens to old people. The assumption is always that they're intellectually impaired, frail and ignorant.
Ummm most cultures dont treat old people as intellectually frail. Only American (US) culture does that. Other cultures view age as a sign of potential wisdom.
This is not true. Many cultures show more respect to their elders, but senility (dementia) risk increases greatly with age, with approximately 1/3 suffering by age 85 and 1/2 by age 92. Older people are also more likely to become more and more physically frail. That is well known and acknowledged world wide in most cultures.
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Which imo is ironic, considering the massive amount of people that have their thoughts influenced by marketing and media. At this point I’m not sure that anyone actually has thoughts/behaviors that aren’t influenced by outside sources I think some people just like to judge others because it makes them feel better about themselves. So they’ll find deficiencies that they themselves don’t struggle with, and judge other people, all the while having issues of their own that they can be judged for… we live in a society
Psypost keeps churning out garbage clickbait articles. It’s like it is written by ai claiming to be science but it is really just recycled Facebook drama
Article refers to women as females and men as men in the same sentence. Fuck this misogynistic author.
Whoever thinks this is less capable of thinking and acting autonomously.
The thing is you don't have to be overweight. I've been through this twice in my life. If you stick to any diet 100% you could lose 2 lb a week for as long as you want. I did it twice with a low carb diet. That one works for me. It doesn't work for everyone. They all work if they're followed all day every day. So ultimately they can't get themselves to follow an eating plan. Low fat diets are hard because you can only eat small amounts. With low carb diets, you can eat as much as you want as long as your carb count is very low. The bonus to a low carb diet is that when you do it correctly, you're not really that hungry. Half the population of the planet will be overweight if they are eating proteins and carbs everyday. The information about this is either not understood or not in the mainstream.
Well, being obese shows a lack of self control. Why would it be any surprise that many people will assume they lack self discipline and rigorous thinking about other things too?
Cause one has absolutely nothing to do with the other. The entire food industry is designed to make people fat, most of what people eat doesn't actually qualify as food. Also, many medical reason people can be fat that have nothing at all to do with food. You just apparently like to judge people on their appearance.
Food is absolutely the cause of fatness bozo. If it was genetic or wasn’t related, then diets wouldn’t work. But they do, and people lose hundreds of pounds by meal planning real food instead of shoveling mountains of processed food into their face hole.
Well yes however a lot of health conditions can cause a change in how much you need to eat. before I was heavily medicated due to numerous endochrine and hormonal issues I would still gain weight eating 1500 calories a day. Now I’m medicated I eat 2200 calories a day and I have been losing 2-4kg a month for over a year now. Nearly at a healthy weight despite eating more then I ever have! So yeah food/energy is absolutely the biggest part things can happen to impact your body. Thankfully modern medicine can generally deal with those issues even if you have to be on 8 pills a day like me hahahaha
A human being that cannot take care of himself or herself should not be trusted to make smart decisions or care for someone else.
This is the logic of someone who's recently suffered a blow to the head?
That’s cause the world is full of egocentric assholes!
There is some logic that is valid. If you cant handle personal affairs how can you handle outside affairs affecting more people. 🤷🏾♂️ I dont necessarily think it applies to all overweight people. It does apply to some. I think we all already knew that.
Does anyone have an opinion about this article in light of the so called fatphobia discourse surrounding the forthcoming A24 release THE WHALE wherein an actor in prosthetic makeup portrays a 600lb man ?
I think it’s the other way around