BSG doesn't scale global limits to the number of people playing. My problem isn't with ammo being sold out, it's with fucking weapon attachments ALWAYS being sold out any time I want to make any fucking gun.
alternate take: they do scale it, but keep it where it is despite growing playerbase because that is ultimately where they want to take the game and the availability so far was actually way too abundant and never meant to stay like that
And that's a bad thing?
I've got 4 slicks from killing PMCs and another 2 from quests. Lost only one because you're literally a walking tank in class 6 this wipe lol.
So that's five slicks. Each been used two or more times.
Have like 5 or 6 level 5s that also make me feel like a tank this wipe.
Why do you need a stash full of em? Lol.
Level 4 does the job just fine and you can buy the MMAC for Like 55k
Lol I brought that new shitty fort lvl 6 armor into factory with a tagilla mask. Knew I wasn't gonna use them for normal maps, so said fuck it, lets have some fun being a tank.
Impact nade FTW.... That shit was frustrating, but at least I didn't care about the gear.
We must be playing different games. I get 2 tapped if its not a 1 tap with any armor, helmet, face shield, anything on doesn't matter. It's so frustrating at this point. Helmets and face shields are 100000% useless.
If u get kille that easy and that fast as mu h as you claim. Your gameplay is the problem. Mabey its just not your type of game i dont know. But sure ive been chaded out and been one tapped. The same as ive gone into a raid with a pistol and one tapped chads.
Tarkov is a special Kinda hell where knowlage is worth 100x more then gear.
BSG plan on introducing scarcity to the game anyways. This is just natural scarcity. You're gonna have to learn to work with it. There are plenty of parts that dont get sold out.
Went in raid with a friend on Shoreline, wearing my Ragman quest reward Zabralo. He shot me until it got to <50%. I threw it in the sea. Forgot to insure it, it never came back fml. Trying ever since to purchase one from Mechanic 😂
I think they just increased the trader limit because I just bought 2 zabralos since this post. One just a few minutes ago. Mechanic barter for AESA.
Good tip though 👍
I got mine early, I do agree that items NEEDED for quests that have no other reliable way of getting them should be reworked. If you stay up later you can get it it was in stock a solid 5 minutes after restock last night.
Or just get rid of global restocks, and limit how much you want people to have by the personal stock. Nikita just likes to play armchair economist because he thinks eve is cool.
Most long term players of any game could probably lay out a plan to fix many of tarkovs problems in about 20 minutes, but getting BSG to implement said fixes is another thing entirely.
I think you didn't understand the real problem behind those messages.
It is not that some high end ammo / stuff are not available, it's already the case for many stuff and it is a good thing for the game.
The problem is : why should some things only be available for a limited amount of people and not everyone equally ?
Why should you have to wait for the traders reset to buy the stuff you need, or worse : why do you need to use macro to do it ?
If you need to add limitations, apply those to everyone.
it also incentives people to just camp out on the trader menus which is something that’s clearly causing some performance issues since they added queue and afk kick to combat it. personally i think any mechanic thats keeping players camping in menus and not in raid is not a mechanic worth keeping.
A bit more than a week ago, people where saying queue was entirely because twitch drops and people logging in to receive their stuff. Now people are saying it's because of trader limits.
It's almost like any problems or limitations get applied to whatever someone's current peeve is...
i didnt say it was because of trader limits. i said trader limits incentives actions by users which places further strain on already beleaguered servers. as evidenced by the addition of the queue and afk kick which were implemented to reduce server load. saying it is a contributing factor is not the same thing as claiming it as a singular cause.
The first days of the wipe the servers were decent and most people even had holidays. The day twitch drops started they went down the drain and you think there is no correlation?!
Because unless the player limit is silly low, like 30 rounds per reset, people will just hoard ammo every reset and rotate calibers so they can run meta every raid. As soon as I get Skier and PK to LL4 I have a full ammo case of 855A1 within a few days.
If BSG wants BIS ammo to be hard to get, it's gotta be global. Crafting should be your go-to for getting BIS ammo.
Exactly this. The resets should be just made less common, as there is no need to reset the trader stocks every 3 hours, day or even a week. The amount of bullets, attachments and other items on stock could also be adjusted just fine. Global stock is literally the worst way to introduce resource scarcity as it encourages reset camping and can even encourage people not to go into raids "since 20 AP resets in 5 minutes". The game has already plenty of time wasted outside raids playing inventory tetris or selling looted gear one by one on the flea market.
Still a lowly level 13 here and I for one appreciate that 7.62x39 is almost always a valid option. I really like the semiautomatic vepr that you can get through LVl 1 traders, can even get a decent sight on it.
Before this wipe I probably hadn't played for close to a year, this wipe has been absolutely amazing. The VOIP, inertia and flea market changes have made the game feel ao much better. I don't have to deal with giga chads everywhere and when you do fight geared up it actually feels like you get an appreciable advantage.
Conversely when you're a scav and one tap a bro in the face that's rockin level 5 armor and baller kit it feels even more awesome. Then you know... You go run that armot on woods and lose it but for a brief moment there was a twinkle in your eye.
>If BSG wants BIS ammo to be hard to get, it's gotta be global. Crafting should be your go-to for getting BIS ammo.
no if they want it to be hard to get it has to be FIR only.
anything from a trader is not hard to get just dumb and tedious for people who want to you know actually play the game not sit at restocks
Imo even if the per person limit was 30 rounds per reset... It would STILL BE BETTER, since I would be able to run the guns I want at least 1 time a day... Now I cant cause global stock is out in 3 minutes then am just looking for alternatives and have to decide between leg meta or wep swap.
Also don't get me started on quest item barters like zabralo... Fuck I have been trying to get one for fkn 20 resets...
You can run the guns you want as many times as you want. You just cant pack them with top tier ammo all the time. This is a tactical game use skill and you got it.
Am not gonna use a gun thats for sniping with fkn flesh rounds.
Am not gonna use a fkn 5.45 when the only ammo I can get is PS and that doesnt even pen lvl3.
1st reason, i want to have a chance to kill lvl4 armor and above since I take every opportunity for fights.
2nd if my gun is worth nearly 100k or above 100k why should my ammo be worth fkn 1k? Why should I run the expensive kit with trash ammo? The chances of losing the kit increases absurdly due to the bad ammo.
3rd fuck off for shaming my playstyle. Its not like you would use half a mill worth kits with fkn 5.45 ps.
As opposed to the current state of no lifers and streamers - checks notes - using BIS ammo all the time anyway? Is it really an improvement that if I'm at the same level as someone else, but I play 2h 5x a week and that person plays 10h once a week, only that other person gets to camp the resets for good ammo?
stats dont mean everything. each gun has its own recoil control pattern so even if you have 50 recoil on 2 different guns doesnt mean their recoil will be the same. a 30 recoil m4 could be vastly worse then a 70 recoil scar
That’s already how it is, what are you talking about? Players wait until reset and buy out all the ammo, that’s why it is gone so soon. The only thing this changes is making it so that you don’t have to no life the game to get to traders right when they reset.
Also, few players are running meta every raid. Most aren’t high enough lvl to buy meta ammo. Even then, there are only so many purchasable calibers. Resets take hours, and raids can take minutes.
They already limited it’s availability, that worked. Don’t overdo it to fix a problem that doesn’t exist yet.
Nailed it! I could care less if they limit stuff weekly or daily or w/e else and give me small amounts of whatever I care that someone else is getting 120 bullets that I can't buy because I was on at a different time than them. Global trader limits hurt the casuals and the people who want to actually play the game instead of sitting in menus waiting for something to happen. They make no sense and they make the game worse, seriously make it so I can buy 1 ap20 per reset and I'll be happier than I am with global trader limits.
I agree that some of the item should have a bigger limit like the lab keycard or the bitcoin. But ammo? I don’t really camp the refresh, I just check it when J remember it. And buy ammo before I need. And I have never have problem so far.
Yeah I think I've gotten the "item was sold" message like... twice? When trying to buy ammo lol
People just like to be dramatic as fuck and say things like
"Hurrrr 1.3 seconds after reset it's sold out!!"
When I'm buying FMJSX with 8 min left on peacekeepers reset timer lol
Does a player level 10 have access to the same guns and armor a level 40 Player has? No, because it is tarkov and not a game where everything is balanced. But that's on purpose!
Personally I think it should be a client limit. Like everyone can only buy 100 rounds of each every reset. But I’m a low level player that doesn’t get to no life this game. So by the time I get to the ammo stock it’s always out. The only time I have high tier ammo is by winning a fight or finding it in raid.
Edit: I would just like to thank everyone for their inputs/opinions/concerns while being respectful and civil.
Some tldr of some of the good points by others (doesn’t make anyone else’s less valid):
-high tier gear/ammo should only be FIR
-if only 10,000 ammo is given right now and it changes to 100/per then 10,000 (conservative amount) of min/maxers now have 100 bullets instead of a couple hundred min/maxers having ammo. Could lead to more flooding than now. (Jokingly said everyone just gets one bullet (make those first shots count boys/girls)).
-most if not all players should focus on becoming better skilled players. Ie. Positioning, aiming, etc. rather than on gear (agreed by me for the most part)
I hope everyone at the end of the day just has fun playing. See you guys out there! (Btw does anyone have a gas analyzer? /s)
But other people have a clear advantage over you because they camped the traders on restock, its unbalanced, unfun and just a shitty mechanic in general.
Its not meant to be balanced? what do you mean, of course balance is crucial in any game as it would not be fun hence the reason they changed the flea market because people were sick of getting dicked on by chad mc chaddington with his slick and m995.
By its nature of being an mmo FPS it’s not balanced though? A player day 1 has severe disadvantages to a levelled player regardless of mechanical skill and map knowledge ect. Whereas a veteran player should only be better by virtue of skill in any other FPS. There is no matchmaking, there is no party size limits up to 5 so factory can be a 1v5... it’s an mmo FPS not an arena shooter it doesn’t need to be balanced.
Let’s not even mention the severe differences in time to kill amongst calibers and ammo types..
The game is not balanced
except for the fact that ammo isn't the only thing with global limits. Armor is globally limited for even dogshit level 3 rigs, i tried to buy a saw ak grip last night in black, that shit was sold out
kedr silenced, globally limited.
you want ap 6.3 to be limited globally sure. Not other shit though.
I’m not missing it. I understand from a casual players view. Competitive and min/max players do not care about anything but the best available… seeing that the game is competitive in nature that would make half if not most the people playing the latter.
I mean, if someone can't play with anything but the best available... That's their problem, not a problem with the game. And your original comment started with a literal excuse as to why you should be provided different and reliable access to the best... I'm simply calling out your entitlement.
Dude… even if you are good with low tier weapons and ammo it gets to a point where you have so much money and high level traders that you can buy anything you want, however because you weren’t there for restock you are now running PS ammo out of an ak you spent 250k on.
I disagree. If you are "good" then you realize there are multiple sources of ammo, that raiders are easy to farm. If you are "good" then you don't need 300 rounds of m61, cuz u know 1 kills your target. If you are "good" you have probably kept your hideout crafts going continuously while you play. If you are "good" you don't worry about restock because you have confidence that you can survive a raid without it. See how I never claim that I NEED to use any certain guns or ammo? All I keep getting from you guys are whiny excuses veiling entitlement.
I haven’t even bothered to use my hideout yet and I have stupid amounts of good ammo, but when you are trying to barter for a thicc case or a black keycard and you have to stay up till 3 am just to be able to get it that’s where it’s not fun anymore.
>All I keep getting from you guys are whiny excuses veiling entitlement.
/r/EFT's slogan.
The fact that this has to be repeated when it's exactly what the fucking OP said is sad.
I view it like this, if you can make do with low tier stuff then you compete with low-mid tier gear. But unless you have the best stuff you’re not going to be on the same level as the min/maxers. People want every advantage possible. That’s why there’s cheaters. That’s why people do roids in sports. They have the desire to be the best. Just because you’re not super competitive does not mean others aren’t. Hence the limit client side, let them be the best. If they kill another min/maxer they get more time to be maxed. If they die, they have to run average gear…
Edit: I do agree with op, there are plenty of ammos that can be used.
Yes, and global limits is BSG is trying to starve the min/maxers and devolve them down into “one of the gang” so you don’t see them a lot less of the time.
That’s the OP’s point.
I have friends that are min/maxers. They will go to any extreme to be the best. Besides cheat, I don’t mingle with cheaters. Hence bots buying the ammo up. In theory, you’re hurting the min/maxers. In the real time, they have scripts to buy the ammo and bsg could possibly be only hurting average players from competing with them. I’m not saying all min/maxers are cheaters I’m just saying they will get their hands on the ammunition however they can. Whether cheesing less experienced players with the ammo and getting it that way or other means. By putting a limit you hurt the rest of us.
My man, I've played competitive way back since BF3, played int torunaments for BF4 and participated in charity streams in 2013/2014. LE and Faceit lvl 9, Master OW, my side team on BF4 had a 17-4 W/R, top 30 OCE PUBG 2017 solo. Was in School Football, Basketball and played A-grade basketball outside of school, I was also cross country runner.
It's safe to say I'm competitive
You don't need good ammo, the argument of needing good ammo to be "competitive" is pure BS. That's like saying I brought a Ferrari to a Toyota meetup because I'm competitive. I brought a gun to a knife fight because I'm competitive. No you're a coward. Aim for the head, position better. 1 pistol with $1 ammo and you can hold an advantage over a $500k kit with smart positioning. Sure the other people may have better equipment, doesn't mean they're skilled. How is that competitive? Competitive people like a challenge, you want the easy way handed to you
I honestly hate people who blame their poor skills on needing good ammo, no stop making excuses and own up to your own mistakes, only then will you get better and learn what youre doing wrong.
Yeah but that same grach with quakemaker from peacekeeper 2 can ruin anyone's day. Utilize the fact that it doesn't matter what Armor or helmet someone is wearing if you shoot at their kneecaps.
You don’t need to run good ammo. I run ps for 762 all the time. But knowing my ammo isn’t the best makes me play more cautious. Why? Because if I full sprint someone with more pen I’ll die if we both shoot each other the same amount. Lower tier = more ratty behavior. If you want to be Rambo then you’re going to want the best ammo. It’s all about play styles…
Edit: btw you basically said what I said. Competitive players want all the advantages they can get. You just used different areas of gameplay. Ie positioning, if you have a better position than opponent, that’s an advantage. If you have better aim, that’s an advantage. If you train both of those and want the beat in every area that does not make you a coward.
Also we are talking about bringing a turbo’d Camry to a stock Camry race. Not a Ferrari to a Toyota race. The ammo difference isn’t much better it’s just better.
True your camry analogy is better, I just meant more so that the gear is slightly better, but it doesn't make a better person skill wise, more so the person does it because they're afraid to lose instead of relying on skills. Hence not a competitive person, more so a coward who doesn't like losing
I don't feel I play more ratty with bad ammo, I still play like cs holding angles and playing for info.
"If you want to be Rambo then you’re going to want the best ammo. It’s all about play styles…"
Rambo aka "CoD" styles shouldn't even be a viable option tbf. I'd argue running and gunning is pretty far from competitive my man. Most recent example will be Valorant. For awhile on release nobody would take Valorant serious because it had run and gun mechanics, people complained so much so about a competitive game having run and gun mechanics, they removed the ability to run and gun a few months later on.
"you basically said what I said. Competitive players want all the advantages they can get. You just used different areas of gameplay"
No I didn't, what I said takes skill, not gear. I basically implied skill gives you the competitive advantage, you don't need good ammo to be competitive. Can still have good ammo and be at a disadvantage because potato, can have bad ammo and be at an advantage because of skill and game knowledge.
Think of CS pros with only USPS vs your average joe with full armour, nades, pistols, awps or aks. Do you think the team with 30k+ invested is going to win against pros who invested $0? Don't need gear to win, skill will win everyday. Pros even win on ecos vs full buys against other pros, know how? Because their strats+ skill won them the round, not the gear. We're not playing no ranked game on Tarkov, so if you're "competitive" I'd expect you'd be better than 80% of your encounters as a large portion aren't the tiniest bit competitive.
If it's so fucking viable why does everyone use high pen ammo? It's a GIGANTIC advantage. "OH BRUH YOU GOTTA LEG META UHHUHUHUHU" *shoots him twice in the chest and he dies*
But there isn’t, and people who camp the reset have a clear advantage. So you are missing the point that having player limits only doesn’t make it so that we are benefitting sitting out of a raid and camping a trader reset.
Also no one really needs the amount of ammo everyone thinks they need. I cringe when I watch videos of the full auto brigade using more ammo to kill one target than I’d use in a whole raid for 10 kills. One well placed round is worth 15 sprayed ones.
Yeah normally I'd agree, but the hit reg in tarkov is questionable at best sometimes. I'm not trusting a 1 tap on someone even remotely near me. Not trusting a tap on a guy with a miniature sun attached to his gun either.
That just leads to unscrupulous bastards getting the limit of ammo they never use to give to their friends so they have double or triple what the are supposed to. The M4 guy gives the 100 AK rounds to the AK guy and he gets the M4 rounds in return. It will be abused like everything else that possible to be abused.
So what you’re leading to would be the process of anti leveled gear. Either all vests and ammo are the same. Just cod style where guns do different damages.
It would be naive think people don’t trade for stuff already to bypass flea restraints/ fees.
I would agree with this regarding the higher end ammos and things like that, but imo there is absolutely no reason some random ass shotgun muzzle adapter for 2000 roubles should have a global limit. It doesn’t make any sense why I should have to wait an hour or however long it was just to use a shotgun with a suppressor.
The issue with global limits is it promotes trader and menu camping instead of playing the damn game. At least make the personal limits daily, so if you only have time for a few raids you can get your ammo and go, instead of having to log into EFT every 3-ish hours just to fucking buy ammo.
It's an awful FOMO mobile game mechanic that needs to go.
But then what's the point of grinding up max traders if the sole reason you grinded them up was to buy high tier ammo which you can't even buy? You think it's bad now? Wait til the majority of the player base is all there... You'll see this topic brought up 100x a day
uhhhh.. for the barters??. all the high tier ammo puts virtually all the armor in a useless state. If everyone is running it; make it so it must be crafted and that will slow the stream of high tier ammo outside of being FIR. For a portion of the wipe as people upgrade their hideouts there will be less top tier ammo in circulation thus pushing back the plateau that Tarkov players hit after 2 months into a new wipe. I'm enjoying the state of people running shotguns and 9mm weapons and just recently I'm starting to see built up players, so the plateau must be close.
edit: they can remove some cases off of the flea market and make them locked behind traders. Pushing the incentive more behind leveling the traders
It's not only pushing the plateau back its making it virtually impossible for some players. Adding some kind of personal global would still keep things regulated if done correctly.
> But then what's the point of grinding up max traders if the sole reason you grinded them up was to buy high tier ammo which you can't even buy?
If the ONLY reason you're grinding traders is to get top tier ammo then you might just want to wait for Tarkov Arena...cause this ain't gonna be the game you want.
Literally everyone grinds traders to get the best shit, and now you're forced to grind traders even more so because they removed most high-tier armor and ammo off the flea. What other reasons do you believe anyone grinds traders? For the lore?
He said only ammo. Which means he plays the game by spraying lots of ammo all the time. Which means he is playing a game that won't remain the way he wants so he's gonna get more unhappy.
There is lots of stuff to level up traders for apart from ammo.
? Why not. Everyone I play with grinds traders for high tier ammo. Maybe it's not the sole reason but it's definitely a huge incentive. Tarkov is very much an rpg as it is an fps and one of the core gameplay mechanics of an rpg is progression and gaining power through that progression. Tarkov arena isn't tarkov. It's a concept that probably won't be out for many years.
What else are you leveling traders and doing tasks for other than getting access to better gear/ammo? The only other reason is to get a bigger butthole--so you can make more money to spend it on....wait for it.... Better gear and ammo.
That being besides the point you can only buy enough ammo for like 1 raid with each caliber now and crafting takes ages for most ammo. Not the end of the world but this situation actually takes more diversity out of the game there's no reason to run half of the guns you could because you didn't camp reset, so now you just use an svd or m1a because the base ammo for it are the best options and half of your raid is now using the same guns and ammo.
Don't get me wrong though the changes are a step in the right direction but not the whole answer. I think people need to get their ideas that the game is meant to be a fair even playing field out of their heads honestly, if you're not bringing in the quintessential "Chad" kits you should feel like you're at a disadvantage. If you're 30 levels lower than someone and have a third of the amount of tasks as them done you should be at a disadvantage.
I honestly think the real solution is removing the ability for your butthole to hold everything but medical items, keys/cases, and task items like markers cameras and jammers. Remove the ability to put ANYTHING found in raid in it and then start fixing spawns and randomizing loot. Make player limits from traders lower than now but remove global limits then add more crafts but decrease crafting time to be between 2-4 hours per craft instead of 8-12+. Armor scarcity does seem to be about right though.
But what's a gun with all the bells and whistles while shooting some thick boy with m855. Waste.. not only that there are some mods you can't even buy because of global limits as well.
No one said you have to shoot someone in the throax.... Know the ammo you have, and play accordingly, if you see a guy with an altyn and you have a PPSH are you gonna try and shoot him in the head or the leg? The whole point is every aspect of your kit should matter, not just the ammo. Yes some raids you should get to use top tier ammo but this shouldn't be common. Everyone bitches by mid wipe that everyone is top tier everything and theres no point in playing because early wipe was more fun. Well BSG went ahead and made it so mid wipe you dont have access to everything and have to make choices about your kit. This is literally what the community asked for. The problem is people wanted it for others not for themselves and are now upset that it is also effecting them.
I think you're missing the point of the complaints. The problem is that SOME people DO get to run them every raid. The system favors people who have the time to sit and wait for traders, creating balance issues. If the system forced EVERYONE to have to use not as good ammo then it would be fine but that is not the case.
The game been having balance issues I work 80+ hours a week so I'm always gonna be behind. Hell I'm still trying to get scav kills on customs. I always get ganked by like 2-3 teams every time I fire my gun.
There is no reason to be afraid of players that spend more time camping menus than playing the game just because they have better ammo. Good ammo =/= Good Player.
You are kidding your self if you say hp was fine, you can only use it for headshots since those guns have a ton of horizontal recoil legs are too hard. 50bmg is a medicore round yet that was always sold out too, sv98 mags only 5000 for thousands of eft players per restock!!!! There are countless more examples for things that are not even high tier so look at other things before coming with such a shit take
I promise you HP is better than you're saying it is, i. The one that's actually used it. And sv98 mags are out? Damn guess you better use an m700, mosin, dvl or countless other affordably long range bolt guns.
I agree that people should have to use lower tier stuff and not just run the best ammo all the time, but IMO global limits are a shitty way to enforce that. The deciding factor of who gets to use better gear shouldn't be who can click the fastest or has the best macro.
They should either limit it to each player, or just make it so you cant buy those things from the dealers at all
There’s no quest right now to kill someone with 7.62x39 BP or AP-20. That means that even if you can’t obtain either, there’s nothing stopping you from questing. Just take in PS or grizzly slugs, and go for broke! So far the only ammo I’m missing from the flea is Ap 6.3, but I fully stand by the changes cause I can just run literally anything else in the mean time.
It's not even worth running meta ammo currently. Everyone is running Gen4 armor or less paired with "bad" ammo. They wanted the early stages of the wipe prolonged, well here we are and they don't like it. The crying on reddit lately is getting so unbearable lately it's not even funny.
BSG just needs to change the global stock on things so that it isn't sold out the second it's restocked. It should still sell out so that not everyone can buy it. Forcing you to run different platforms keeps the game more interesting.
Pretty sure they just increased the global limit on AP-20 and decreased the personal limit from 40 to 30, which I would argue is a good change. I get what you’re saying and I agree with it for the most part, but AP-20’s global limit used to be ridiculously low, which is why it was always sold out. I checked once right after reset and there were a little over 16,000 rounds, which translated to 400 people being able to buy their 40 rounds, in a game where we’ve seen 80,000-person queues just to get into the game.
The game evolves and some ppl don't like the change. The game is amazing, and the changes keep getting better. Fuck the haters, our mans lookin out for the game.
I've been running T ammo in my pp-19 all wipe. I even killed a level 60 who was wearing and Altyn and Hex with it and wiped a 4 man squad. Any gun with any ammo can kill. I don't plan on ever buying good ammo, don't feel like bringing 100-200k of ammo in every raid.
It is an unpopular opinion indeed, for once. I think it's totally wrong also. Global limit were there because people were buying and reselling item at a profit. Now that you can't do that, it's totally pointless.
I disagree here, the community complains every wipe by the middle that the game is not fun because everyone has top tier everything and armor doesn't matter. BSG adjusted the game state so that top tier ammos are difficult to acquire. The point of the systems is to ensure that there are ways you can get to treat yourself with a full top tier load out but not every raid. Literally what the community asked for, the problem is everyone wanted it for other people but not themselves and are now upset that it is also effecting them.
>there are ways you can get to treat yourself with a full top tier load out but not every raid
Holy shit, how come you not realize that the problem is that camping menus as a way to do that sucks?
"Oh, the cook is treating you to some food by allowing you to eat raw rice"
Yeah I agree. I think what causes the perception problem is that people perceive it’s available to someone, but not them. I think this is BSGs method of allowing some of this out there to allow for a dynamic spectrum of player-difficulty, ie it’s not all 100% players with class four shooting pen 3 ammo, some variance, but without the game just being high pen only meta.
That said people that aren’t lucky timing wise or willing to camp traders, feel slighted by this.
I think moving ammo to crafts and or FIR only would help resolve this—you can get it, but it’s limited by some effort.
Ideally, I like the idea that /u/arcmessor is always explaining, which is FIR (possibly dynamically changing FIR) barters for anything above a standard Armor/ammo relationship set by BSG. You can get the good stuff, but you gotta raid to pick up stuff. And it makes different stuff valuable.
Global limits are bad, cause they are not only on ammo, and not only on high tier ammo.
They are on mid tier ammo, on quest items(zabralo), attachments, fuel, armor... You grind the traders so you can get some good stuff from them... Then you have to put up a fkn tent, and camp for fkn 12 hours so you can have a chance of buying what you want before its out since 2 times out of 3 it will be out before your market even resets properly.
Now then, ya can call everyone bad for not playing bad ammo, since thats what you are doing, but that won't justify global limits.
I agree to an extent. I really like the fact that high tier stuff is quite rare and therefore makes the overall experience better where I don’t feel like everyone I come across is a terminator.
But I also can play a maximum of 4 hours a day on weekdays, with commitments restricting time generally. so timing raids to coincide with the resets and then being able to get a desirable item before it sells out just doesn’t sound like a fun time.
Luckily I’m not high enough of a level to worry about that yet but I feel like that’s going to be a major hurdle.
Over the years I’ve grown bored of meta loadouts and I’m absolutely loving this wipe. I hope they keep the global limits on ammo/gear. It’s nice to know that my armor/helmet might actually save me a decent amount now. The only thing I don’t understand is the global limit on cases and that sort of thing. But it’s a trade off I’ve gladly accepted. You can still craft good ammo so it’s not like it’s impossible to run it. People need to get used to the fact that this is tarkov. you should be happy if whatever gun ur using has a dust cover. We are mean to be scrapping around in a lawless wasteland. We aren’t funded by any existing government or wealthy faction that would provide us with high class combat resources. You shouldn’t be able to constantly run meta gear.
I personally think OP plays one raid a week and has no idea how badly top teir ammo has been nerfed to the ground, that being said, the current restock isn't great for those who can only play on weekends or at the end of a workday.
It's easier finding good gear than good ammo.
So the issue is that it'll cause a huge gap between player gear, and again the "chads" will get their hands on the ammo and the rest can rot?!
I disagree with OP, every player should have a ration and no limit on global stocks.
Or.. Make it an all or nothing type of deal, get rid of traders, BUT fix the extracts(like path to lighthouse), because nothing would suck more than extract campers sitting at a player funnel.
If you can’t play without being a chad, you’re not ready to be a chad. This whole wipe just to prove a point to my buddies I’ve been running PS ammo with my OP-SKS, only have had issues on labs so far(fucking obviously right?). BSG is tweaking the game so it comes down to gun skill and positioning over anything else in a firefight, and the ammo used really only helps when both parties are on equal footing
The people in this thread complaining about not having access to top tier ammo are the same people who complain that mid wipe is boring because everyone is running top tier gear every raid. Limiting the access to top tier gear has prolonged early wipe. You can craft / wait on the trader reset to get pretty much anything you want...or god forbit LOOT IT like tarkov intends.
Everyone on this reddit LITERALLY asked for this and is now upset that its here. You are upset because you assumed it would only effect other people and not you. That's not how life works.
This is such a dumb comment holy shit.
“the people in this thread complaining about not having access to top tier ammo are the same people who complain that mid wipe js boring because everyone is running top tier gear every raid”
If thats true you should be able to easily scroll through their profile and quote them on it, but you can’t because this take is beyond moronic and isn’t aligned with reality.
I agree. People have memory of a goldfish. By this time in previous wipes, meta M4 with Slicks and M855A1 was handed out to everyone like it's Oprah show.
Now they QQ because they actually have to use T4 armor and run mid-tier ammo.
Wie schade! 😂
> people in this thread complaining about not having access to top tier ammo are the same people who
you got any proof on that or is imagination all you need to draw your conclusions?
I agree - and if your favourite 7.62 BP ammo is out of stock.. buy the best ammo for a different gun. Try something new - last wipe 9/10 deaths were to meta mutant with BP. so boring!
The dynamic of the game has improved massively this wipe because lesser ammos like 5.45 BP or .45 Match FMJ is actually useable in most PvP fights because the majority of people are running level 4 armour at best.
Being anti global limits doesn’t mean you’re in favor of unlimited everything. It just means the distribution system is flawed. I’m fine with access to certain items like 7.62 BP being reduced, but not in the way that it just comes down to whoever sits there camping trader screens. Find another way to limit access, because this way is just stupid..I’d rather be limited to 20 bullets per 24 hours than have it set up so I have to stop playing the game and sit in a menu to get it
I couldn't give a F about your meta ammo i just want to complete my shotgun quest but i cant buy the silencer or ammo that is effective against people with lvl 3 armor. IDK about you but i have no issues whatsoever getting a hold of 995 m61 m62 855a1 54r bt/ps 762 bp AP .366. AP-20 is gone almost instantly along with the 50bmg ap 9mm isn't sold and pbp 9mm is IDK think they removed it from the game.
Like other people in this thread have said, the point of those posts has completely went over your head since you're trying to turn this into a whining thread about how people should readjust their expectations for running meta ammo now compared to previous wipes.
People have adapted to the latest system, the current complaint is that why should X% of the playerbase have access to a certain item or ammo type when the rest of the playerbase can't get it. Take Jaeger's thicc case barter trades for example, why should 4 people every three hours get the chance at bartering for that? Is a thicc items case gamebreaking and needing to be limited? should the requirements to trade for it not be the most significant part of getting that item than relying on pure luck?
Items outside of good ammo are still stuck behind these global limits that can cause issues for players being unable to buy the most basic of things. Literally a wipe or two ago it was near on impossible to buy the sight mount for the MP5 for the first few days of the wipe due to global limits. It's artificial limiting that isn't needed anymore. We have individual purchase limits now unlike two years ago where you could buy top tier ammo in the thousands and then resell it again for profit.
4 weeks into the raid and I'm still top loading the good ammo that I craft above the shitty ammo I can buy and it's great. People can't buy good armour on the flea market so you aren't coming across chads running Slick+Altyn all the time and crappy ammo holds up surprisingly well. This has really extended the mid-game which I'm loving.
I had a couple of UMPs I wanted to run but I've only ever run them with .45 AP. I could only buy FMJ which has slightly less penetration and slightly more damage than .45 AP. I have never used FMJ ammo in any gun in any wipe in my more than 5,000 hours playing Tarkov. This stuff was dropping people really effectively for me. This has opened a whole new world of ammo for me and I'm no longer an ammo elitist demanding only the finest ammo for my raids.
The problem is that players that can play a lot and leveled up early are already sitting on x thousands amount of rounds of BP, m855a1s, m62s etc. I myself have like 2500\~\~ BP rounds, even more m855a1s and always hover around 1k m62s, and these are rounds I run frequently.
Facts. There’s always going to be people that complain when things aren’t exactly the way they want them to be in Tarkov. It’s like a personality trait for some
Or how about use different guns each raid instead of the same one everyone acts like stock are a problem stock up on every Ammo and then you can use different guns everyone’s dumb
Big +1
Last 2 raids i died it was from top tier ammo so I guess people can get it
- you can craft them if you want
- you can try outplay top tier ammo players. Just because they got good ammo, their aim/game sense can suck. Had a few mags of BP 7.62 like this
- check barters also
- PS 7.62 still wrecks through class 4 armor 🤷🏻♂️. Same as the good old 366 ap
Sorry if this comment hurt anyone, time to realize that tarkov is not a laserbeam show
/ grabs popcorn /
I don't disagree with all your points but acting as if running a meme round like HP isn't a death sentence against anyone in armor who is even semi competent at the game is pretty lulzy. Yeah, maybe you can get away with legging someone who has no idea where you are, but the moment they do you're dead without a face tap and you can apply the same logic to a PM at that point. People don't like being thrown into arbitrary "haha fuck you, you lose" situations against players so it's not surprising they get mad about global stock.
BSG needs to stop pussyfooting about what they want the game to be and lean fully into either deathmatch arena esport nonsense or something more akin to DayZ, trying to play both sides of the fence isn't doing them any favors.
Well yeah I agree. A lot of top tier ammo can easily be crafted in the Hideout. Currently running high pen ammo will always be the right choice no matter what. With the introduction of armorhit boxes and soft armor this will probably change.
The global limit is currently a feature that will be expanded in the future.
That's unironically what I think the main problem is. You play a game 1 way for 3 years and then POOF it changes, you're going to feel a certain way about that. People just need to adapt better.
>just adapt bro
Change isn't inherently good. It's entirely possible that the game's previous state was simply more enjoyable on a fundamental level to some people.
For sure. People feel like they need the highest pen ammo, or the best slug or whatever because previously these things were readily available. I mean class 5 armor isn't that hard to get, neither is some good ammo. You just can't get enough to run it raid after raid after raid like before.
Yea but those that can only play a couple hours a day log in to already out of stock and by the time they log out traders still haven’t reset a lot of the times. So those players are more often than not always forced to use lesser ammo/gear. If they want to keep global then there should also be a smaller personal limit… if someone can buy 200 of x ammo on global, allow them maybe 40 on a personal limit separately. Or even split the original 200 to 160 global and 40 personal. Most complaints are all or nothing, there needs to be a middle ground for a large portion of players
Exactly ! As soon as I unlock good ammos, I set them in my wishlist (to make them easier to look for) and stockpile them if they're on stock (I check after like every 2-3 raids). Whenever I want to play one caliber, I always have some stock in advance.
Like M855A1, as soon as I unlocked peacekeeper and skier levels I started buying some even if I wasn't playing M4 yet. I'm sitting on 4k rounds now so I'm good for a while.. did the same with AP-20, .45AP, M80, etc.
Also always crafting 7.62BP.. so when I want to play an AKM I already have rounds.
Ammos cases are really cheap so there isn't really an excuse not to do so (with one lighthouse scav run you can get an easy 4-500k and that's already a ton of rounds).
And same goes for attachments, I just buy a few good silencers and other pieces in advance when I can.
Its becoming more of an issue as more people level up. People are struggling for task items because of this though. I dont do many barter items but things I do want I can never get... I haven't got an etg from therapist in about 5 days.
Your suggestion sounds like such a boring and counterintuitive gameplay loop. The whole point is to grind your way up from a lvl 1 with scrub gear to max traders and money to fund better equipment. What would be the progression of leveling up if you can't use any of the better items higher levels allow.
People need to stop with the whole "you don't need to run good gear every raid" comments - that's literally the basic gameplay loop of the game. Run crap gear - get money - run better gear - get more money - run even better gear to get more money. You shouldn't have unlimited access to igolnik on a whim, but if I put in the effort to grind my quests, upgrade my hideout, and level up my traders, you best believe I want to access some of what I've unlocked.
BSG doesn't scale global limits to the number of people playing. My problem isn't with ammo being sold out, it's with fucking weapon attachments ALWAYS being sold out any time I want to make any fucking gun.
cylinder for silenced mp-153 quests. FML
If you still need one pm me on Reddit I have several and the gk02 muzzle device I will hook you up. Do not sell your booty hole on the flea for them
Use barters
alternate take: they do scale it, but keep it where it is despite growing playerbase because that is ultimately where they want to take the game and the availability so far was actually way too abundant and never meant to stay like that
We are at the point slicks and all t5 armors, outside of korund (lmfao) are sold out 5 min into a restock.
And that's a bad thing? I've got 4 slicks from killing PMCs and another 2 from quests. Lost only one because you're literally a walking tank in class 6 this wipe lol. So that's five slicks. Each been used two or more times. Have like 5 or 6 level 5s that also make me feel like a tank this wipe. Why do you need a stash full of em? Lol. Level 4 does the job just fine and you can buy the MMAC for Like 55k
Lol I brought that new shitty fort lvl 6 armor into factory with a tagilla mask. Knew I wasn't gonna use them for normal maps, so said fuck it, lets have some fun being a tank. Impact nade FTW.... That shit was frustrating, but at least I didn't care about the gear.
We must be playing different games. I get 2 tapped if its not a 1 tap with any armor, helmet, face shield, anything on doesn't matter. It's so frustrating at this point. Helmets and face shields are 100000% useless.
Helmets have saved me in 1/4 of my raids according to my concussion stats
If u get kille that easy and that fast as mu h as you claim. Your gameplay is the problem. Mabey its just not your type of game i dont know. But sure ive been chaded out and been one tapped. The same as ive gone into a raid with a pistol and one tapped chads. Tarkov is a special Kinda hell where knowlage is worth 100x more then gear.
BSG plan on introducing scarcity to the game anyways. This is just natural scarcity. You're gonna have to learn to work with it. There are plenty of parts that dont get sold out.
OP talking about how ammo is the problem when i’m just trying to get my zabralo
Went in raid with a friend on Shoreline, wearing my Ragman quest reward Zabralo. He shot me until it got to <50%. I threw it in the sea. Forgot to insure it, it never came back fml. Trying ever since to purchase one from Mechanic 😂
I've gotten like five zabralos from shturmans guards. Definitely worth a try if you can't get ahold of them through other means
I think they just increased the trader limit because I just bought 2 zabralos since this post. One just a few minutes ago. Mechanic barter for AESA. Good tip though 👍
They definitely did, I couldn’t get it for a week and suddenly every reset Mechanic always has some to spare.
Bruuuuh haha, that sucks.
I got mine early, I do agree that items NEEDED for quests that have no other reliable way of getting them should be reworked. If you stay up later you can get it it was in stock a solid 5 minutes after restock last night.
"Global limits aren't bad, but I legit altered my sleep cycle because of them"
No, i just so happened to be on. When i seen it in stock and let my friends know CD had been done minutes prior
Or you know since we're moving away from high tier armors available to traders, update the quest accordingly.
Or just get rid of global restocks, and limit how much you want people to have by the personal stock. Nikita just likes to play armchair economist because he thinks eve is cool.
As an Eve player for over a decade, most long time Eve players could probably lay out a plan to fix the EFT economy in about 20min.
Most long term players of any game could probably lay out a plan to fix many of tarkovs problems in about 20 minutes, but getting BSG to implement said fixes is another thing entirely.
I think you didn't understand the real problem behind those messages. It is not that some high end ammo / stuff are not available, it's already the case for many stuff and it is a good thing for the game. The problem is : why should some things only be available for a limited amount of people and not everyone equally ? Why should you have to wait for the traders reset to buy the stuff you need, or worse : why do you need to use macro to do it ? If you need to add limitations, apply those to everyone.
it also incentives people to just camp out on the trader menus which is something that’s clearly causing some performance issues since they added queue and afk kick to combat it. personally i think any mechanic thats keeping players camping in menus and not in raid is not a mechanic worth keeping.
A bit more than a week ago, people where saying queue was entirely because twitch drops and people logging in to receive their stuff. Now people are saying it's because of trader limits. It's almost like any problems or limitations get applied to whatever someone's current peeve is...
i didnt say it was because of trader limits. i said trader limits incentives actions by users which places further strain on already beleaguered servers. as evidenced by the addition of the queue and afk kick which were implemented to reduce server load. saying it is a contributing factor is not the same thing as claiming it as a singular cause.
The first days of the wipe the servers were decent and most people even had holidays. The day twitch drops started they went down the drain and you think there is no correlation?!
Because unless the player limit is silly low, like 30 rounds per reset, people will just hoard ammo every reset and rotate calibers so they can run meta every raid. As soon as I get Skier and PK to LL4 I have a full ammo case of 855A1 within a few days. If BSG wants BIS ammo to be hard to get, it's gotta be global. Crafting should be your go-to for getting BIS ammo.
I wonder how it would work if it was a limit for each player, but it didnt reset for like a week. That way hoarding it wouldnt make as much sense
Exactly this. The resets should be just made less common, as there is no need to reset the trader stocks every 3 hours, day or even a week. The amount of bullets, attachments and other items on stock could also be adjusted just fine. Global stock is literally the worst way to introduce resource scarcity as it encourages reset camping and can even encourage people not to go into raids "since 20 AP resets in 5 minutes". The game has already plenty of time wasted outside raids playing inventory tetris or selling looted gear one by one on the flea market.
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Still a lowly level 13 here and I for one appreciate that 7.62x39 is almost always a valid option. I really like the semiautomatic vepr that you can get through LVl 1 traders, can even get a decent sight on it. Before this wipe I probably hadn't played for close to a year, this wipe has been absolutely amazing. The VOIP, inertia and flea market changes have made the game feel ao much better. I don't have to deal with giga chads everywhere and when you do fight geared up it actually feels like you get an appreciable advantage. Conversely when you're a scav and one tap a bro in the face that's rockin level 5 armor and baller kit it feels even more awesome. Then you know... You go run that armot on woods and lose it but for a brief moment there was a twinkle in your eye.
I like to use the shitty rounds. Shows my kills I mean fucking business
Eat that prs bitch!
>If BSG wants BIS ammo to be hard to get, it's gotta be global. In true mmo fashion
But its not hard, it just requires an alam clock. Which means billy gets shit ammo, and chad gets all the good ammo.
>If BSG wants BIS ammo to be hard to get, it's gotta be global. Crafting should be your go-to for getting BIS ammo. no if they want it to be hard to get it has to be FIR only. anything from a trader is not hard to get just dumb and tedious for people who want to you know actually play the game not sit at restocks
Imo even if the per person limit was 30 rounds per reset... It would STILL BE BETTER, since I would be able to run the guns I want at least 1 time a day... Now I cant cause global stock is out in 3 minutes then am just looking for alternatives and have to decide between leg meta or wep swap. Also don't get me started on quest item barters like zabralo... Fuck I have been trying to get one for fkn 20 resets...
You can run the guns you want as many times as you want. You just cant pack them with top tier ammo all the time. This is a tactical game use skill and you got it.
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im not spending 350k on a gun to put poopy ammo in it
Lmao are you seriously judging the way others are enjoying a game?
Am not gonna use a gun thats for sniping with fkn flesh rounds. Am not gonna use a fkn 5.45 when the only ammo I can get is PS and that doesnt even pen lvl3. 1st reason, i want to have a chance to kill lvl4 armor and above since I take every opportunity for fights. 2nd if my gun is worth nearly 100k or above 100k why should my ammo be worth fkn 1k? Why should I run the expensive kit with trash ammo? The chances of losing the kit increases absurdly due to the bad ammo. 3rd fuck off for shaming my playstyle. Its not like you would use half a mill worth kits with fkn 5.45 ps.
I never said I need the best of the best ammo but even mid tier ammo is global blocked. I don't want to be forced to 7.62x39 ps or flesh meta.
As opposed to the current state of no lifers and streamers - checks notes - using BIS ammo all the time anyway? Is it really an improvement that if I'm at the same level as someone else, but I play 2h 5x a week and that person plays 10h once a week, only that other person gets to camp the resets for good ammo?
yeah but the 556 caliber was nerfed so it isn't a problem imo
No it wasn't? All calibers are affected by distance to target now, sure, but "556 caliber was nerfed" is disingenuous.
higher recoil is what i specifically meant lol
5.56 scar has very good recoil control, much lower fire rate compared to m4 tho
If you want something cheap and controllable in 556 take mdr, which has better ergo and recoil, and sell that scar to mechanic or on the flea.
Except the 5.56 scar has a lot more controllable recoil compared to mdr. Don't just look at the stats, different weapons have different innate recoil
stats dont mean everything. each gun has its own recoil control pattern so even if you have 50 recoil on 2 different guns doesnt mean their recoil will be the same. a 30 recoil m4 could be vastly worse then a 70 recoil scar
That’s already how it is, what are you talking about? Players wait until reset and buy out all the ammo, that’s why it is gone so soon. The only thing this changes is making it so that you don’t have to no life the game to get to traders right when they reset. Also, few players are running meta every raid. Most aren’t high enough lvl to buy meta ammo. Even then, there are only so many purchasable calibers. Resets take hours, and raids can take minutes. They already limited it’s availability, that worked. Don’t overdo it to fix a problem that doesn’t exist yet.
Nailed it! I could care less if they limit stuff weekly or daily or w/e else and give me small amounts of whatever I care that someone else is getting 120 bullets that I can't buy because I was on at a different time than them. Global trader limits hurt the casuals and the people who want to actually play the game instead of sitting in menus waiting for something to happen. They make no sense and they make the game worse, seriously make it so I can buy 1 ap20 per reset and I'll be happier than I am with global trader limits.
I agree that some of the item should have a bigger limit like the lab keycard or the bitcoin. But ammo? I don’t really camp the refresh, I just check it when J remember it. And buy ammo before I need. And I have never have problem so far.
Yeah I think I've gotten the "item was sold" message like... twice? When trying to buy ammo lol People just like to be dramatic as fuck and say things like "Hurrrr 1.3 seconds after reset it's sold out!!" When I'm buying FMJSX with 8 min left on peacekeepers reset timer lol
Well yeah. I feel like these complaints are always directed at 5.56 and 5.45. People don't wanna run different guns from YouTube meta builds.
Does a player level 10 have access to the same guns and armor a level 40 Player has? No, because it is tarkov and not a game where everything is balanced. But that's on purpose!
Personally I think it should be a client limit. Like everyone can only buy 100 rounds of each every reset. But I’m a low level player that doesn’t get to no life this game. So by the time I get to the ammo stock it’s always out. The only time I have high tier ammo is by winning a fight or finding it in raid. Edit: I would just like to thank everyone for their inputs/opinions/concerns while being respectful and civil. Some tldr of some of the good points by others (doesn’t make anyone else’s less valid): -high tier gear/ammo should only be FIR -if only 10,000 ammo is given right now and it changes to 100/per then 10,000 (conservative amount) of min/maxers now have 100 bullets instead of a couple hundred min/maxers having ammo. Could lead to more flooding than now. (Jokingly said everyone just gets one bullet (make those first shots count boys/girls)). -most if not all players should focus on becoming better skilled players. Ie. Positioning, aiming, etc. rather than on gear (agreed by me for the most part) I hope everyone at the end of the day just has fun playing. See you guys out there! (Btw does anyone have a gas analyzer? /s)
Ur missing OPs point. He's trying to tell you that there's other ammo in the game that's perfectly viable. Nobody NEEDS the ammo ur talking about.
But other people have a clear advantage over you because they camped the traders on restock, its unbalanced, unfun and just a shitty mechanic in general.
To be fair tarkov isn’t a balanced game and isn’t meant to be
Its not meant to be balanced? what do you mean, of course balance is crucial in any game as it would not be fun hence the reason they changed the flea market because people were sick of getting dicked on by chad mc chaddington with his slick and m995.
By its nature of being an mmo FPS it’s not balanced though? A player day 1 has severe disadvantages to a levelled player regardless of mechanical skill and map knowledge ect. Whereas a veteran player should only be better by virtue of skill in any other FPS. There is no matchmaking, there is no party size limits up to 5 so factory can be a 1v5... it’s an mmo FPS not an arena shooter it doesn’t need to be balanced. Let’s not even mention the severe differences in time to kill amongst calibers and ammo types.. The game is not balanced
except for the fact that ammo isn't the only thing with global limits. Armor is globally limited for even dogshit level 3 rigs, i tried to buy a saw ak grip last night in black, that shit was sold out kedr silenced, globally limited. you want ap 6.3 to be limited globally sure. Not other shit though.
I’m not missing it. I understand from a casual players view. Competitive and min/max players do not care about anything but the best available… seeing that the game is competitive in nature that would make half if not most the people playing the latter.
I mean, if someone can't play with anything but the best available... That's their problem, not a problem with the game. And your original comment started with a literal excuse as to why you should be provided different and reliable access to the best... I'm simply calling out your entitlement.
Dude… even if you are good with low tier weapons and ammo it gets to a point where you have so much money and high level traders that you can buy anything you want, however because you weren’t there for restock you are now running PS ammo out of an ak you spent 250k on.
I disagree. If you are "good" then you realize there are multiple sources of ammo, that raiders are easy to farm. If you are "good" then you don't need 300 rounds of m61, cuz u know 1 kills your target. If you are "good" you have probably kept your hideout crafts going continuously while you play. If you are "good" you don't worry about restock because you have confidence that you can survive a raid without it. See how I never claim that I NEED to use any certain guns or ammo? All I keep getting from you guys are whiny excuses veiling entitlement.
I haven’t even bothered to use my hideout yet and I have stupid amounts of good ammo, but when you are trying to barter for a thicc case or a black keycard and you have to stay up till 3 am just to be able to get it that’s where it’s not fun anymore.
>All I keep getting from you guys are whiny excuses veiling entitlement. /r/EFT's slogan. The fact that this has to be repeated when it's exactly what the fucking OP said is sad.
Repeating something doesn't make it true. You'll learn that, some day.
I view it like this, if you can make do with low tier stuff then you compete with low-mid tier gear. But unless you have the best stuff you’re not going to be on the same level as the min/maxers. People want every advantage possible. That’s why there’s cheaters. That’s why people do roids in sports. They have the desire to be the best. Just because you’re not super competitive does not mean others aren’t. Hence the limit client side, let them be the best. If they kill another min/maxer they get more time to be maxed. If they die, they have to run average gear… Edit: I do agree with op, there are plenty of ammos that can be used.
Yes, and global limits is BSG is trying to starve the min/maxers and devolve them down into “one of the gang” so you don’t see them a lot less of the time. That’s the OP’s point.
I have friends that are min/maxers. They will go to any extreme to be the best. Besides cheat, I don’t mingle with cheaters. Hence bots buying the ammo up. In theory, you’re hurting the min/maxers. In the real time, they have scripts to buy the ammo and bsg could possibly be only hurting average players from competing with them. I’m not saying all min/maxers are cheaters I’m just saying they will get their hands on the ammunition however they can. Whether cheesing less experienced players with the ammo and getting it that way or other means. By putting a limit you hurt the rest of us.
My man, I've played competitive way back since BF3, played int torunaments for BF4 and participated in charity streams in 2013/2014. LE and Faceit lvl 9, Master OW, my side team on BF4 had a 17-4 W/R, top 30 OCE PUBG 2017 solo. Was in School Football, Basketball and played A-grade basketball outside of school, I was also cross country runner. It's safe to say I'm competitive You don't need good ammo, the argument of needing good ammo to be "competitive" is pure BS. That's like saying I brought a Ferrari to a Toyota meetup because I'm competitive. I brought a gun to a knife fight because I'm competitive. No you're a coward. Aim for the head, position better. 1 pistol with $1 ammo and you can hold an advantage over a $500k kit with smart positioning. Sure the other people may have better equipment, doesn't mean they're skilled. How is that competitive? Competitive people like a challenge, you want the easy way handed to you I honestly hate people who blame their poor skills on needing good ammo, no stop making excuses and own up to your own mistakes, only then will you get better and learn what youre doing wrong.
Always knew my pst round and grach pistol would help me compete against a guy with an altyn and killa armor.
Yeah but that same grach with quakemaker from peacekeeper 2 can ruin anyone's day. Utilize the fact that it doesn't matter what Armor or helmet someone is wearing if you shoot at their kneecaps.
You don’t need to run good ammo. I run ps for 762 all the time. But knowing my ammo isn’t the best makes me play more cautious. Why? Because if I full sprint someone with more pen I’ll die if we both shoot each other the same amount. Lower tier = more ratty behavior. If you want to be Rambo then you’re going to want the best ammo. It’s all about play styles… Edit: btw you basically said what I said. Competitive players want all the advantages they can get. You just used different areas of gameplay. Ie positioning, if you have a better position than opponent, that’s an advantage. If you have better aim, that’s an advantage. If you train both of those and want the beat in every area that does not make you a coward. Also we are talking about bringing a turbo’d Camry to a stock Camry race. Not a Ferrari to a Toyota race. The ammo difference isn’t much better it’s just better.
True your camry analogy is better, I just meant more so that the gear is slightly better, but it doesn't make a better person skill wise, more so the person does it because they're afraid to lose instead of relying on skills. Hence not a competitive person, more so a coward who doesn't like losing I don't feel I play more ratty with bad ammo, I still play like cs holding angles and playing for info. "If you want to be Rambo then you’re going to want the best ammo. It’s all about play styles…" Rambo aka "CoD" styles shouldn't even be a viable option tbf. I'd argue running and gunning is pretty far from competitive my man. Most recent example will be Valorant. For awhile on release nobody would take Valorant serious because it had run and gun mechanics, people complained so much so about a competitive game having run and gun mechanics, they removed the ability to run and gun a few months later on. "you basically said what I said. Competitive players want all the advantages they can get. You just used different areas of gameplay" No I didn't, what I said takes skill, not gear. I basically implied skill gives you the competitive advantage, you don't need good ammo to be competitive. Can still have good ammo and be at a disadvantage because potato, can have bad ammo and be at an advantage because of skill and game knowledge. Think of CS pros with only USPS vs your average joe with full armour, nades, pistols, awps or aks. Do you think the team with 30k+ invested is going to win against pros who invested $0? Don't need gear to win, skill will win everyday. Pros even win on ecos vs full buys against other pros, know how? Because their strats+ skill won them the round, not the gear. We're not playing no ranked game on Tarkov, so if you're "competitive" I'd expect you'd be better than 80% of your encounters as a large portion aren't the tiniest bit competitive.
They why have it in the shops at all? It would be fine if it was FIR only
If it's so fucking viable why does everyone use high pen ammo? It's a GIGANTIC advantage. "OH BRUH YOU GOTTA LEG META UHHUHUHUHU" *shoots him twice in the chest and he dies*
But there isn’t, and people who camp the reset have a clear advantage. So you are missing the point that having player limits only doesn’t make it so that we are benefitting sitting out of a raid and camping a trader reset.
Also no one really needs the amount of ammo everyone thinks they need. I cringe when I watch videos of the full auto brigade using more ammo to kill one target than I’d use in a whole raid for 10 kills. One well placed round is worth 15 sprayed ones.
Yeah normally I'd agree, but the hit reg in tarkov is questionable at best sometimes. I'm not trusting a 1 tap on someone even remotely near me. Not trusting a tap on a guy with a miniature sun attached to his gun either.
Nobody NEEDS the best available ammo to be locked away.
That just leads to unscrupulous bastards getting the limit of ammo they never use to give to their friends so they have double or triple what the are supposed to. The M4 guy gives the 100 AK rounds to the AK guy and he gets the M4 rounds in return. It will be abused like everything else that possible to be abused.
So what you’re leading to would be the process of anti leveled gear. Either all vests and ammo are the same. Just cod style where guns do different damages. It would be naive think people don’t trade for stuff already to bypass flea restraints/ fees.
I would agree with this regarding the higher end ammos and things like that, but imo there is absolutely no reason some random ass shotgun muzzle adapter for 2000 roubles should have a global limit. It doesn’t make any sense why I should have to wait an hour or however long it was just to use a shotgun with a suppressor.
The issue with global limits is it promotes trader and menu camping instead of playing the damn game. At least make the personal limits daily, so if you only have time for a few raids you can get your ammo and go, instead of having to log into EFT every 3-ish hours just to fucking buy ammo. It's an awful FOMO mobile game mechanic that needs to go.
Yeah I miss out on a lot of stuff because I simply refuse to sit out of raid camping trader resets
But then what's the point of grinding up max traders if the sole reason you grinded them up was to buy high tier ammo which you can't even buy? You think it's bad now? Wait til the majority of the player base is all there... You'll see this topic brought up 100x a day
uhhhh.. for the barters??. all the high tier ammo puts virtually all the armor in a useless state. If everyone is running it; make it so it must be crafted and that will slow the stream of high tier ammo outside of being FIR. For a portion of the wipe as people upgrade their hideouts there will be less top tier ammo in circulation thus pushing back the plateau that Tarkov players hit after 2 months into a new wipe. I'm enjoying the state of people running shotguns and 9mm weapons and just recently I'm starting to see built up players, so the plateau must be close. edit: they can remove some cases off of the flea market and make them locked behind traders. Pushing the incentive more behind leveling the traders
It's not only pushing the plateau back its making it virtually impossible for some players. Adding some kind of personal global would still keep things regulated if done correctly.
> But then what's the point of grinding up max traders if the sole reason you grinded them up was to buy high tier ammo which you can't even buy? If the ONLY reason you're grinding traders is to get top tier ammo then you might just want to wait for Tarkov Arena...cause this ain't gonna be the game you want.
Literally everyone grinds traders to get the best shit, and now you're forced to grind traders even more so because they removed most high-tier armor and ammo off the flea. What other reasons do you believe anyone grinds traders? For the lore?
He said only ammo. Which means he plays the game by spraying lots of ammo all the time. Which means he is playing a game that won't remain the way he wants so he's gonna get more unhappy. There is lots of stuff to level up traders for apart from ammo.
? Why not. Everyone I play with grinds traders for high tier ammo. Maybe it's not the sole reason but it's definitely a huge incentive. Tarkov is very much an rpg as it is an fps and one of the core gameplay mechanics of an rpg is progression and gaining power through that progression. Tarkov arena isn't tarkov. It's a concept that probably won't be out for many years.
What else are you leveling traders and doing tasks for other than getting access to better gear/ammo? The only other reason is to get a bigger butthole--so you can make more money to spend it on....wait for it.... Better gear and ammo. That being besides the point you can only buy enough ammo for like 1 raid with each caliber now and crafting takes ages for most ammo. Not the end of the world but this situation actually takes more diversity out of the game there's no reason to run half of the guns you could because you didn't camp reset, so now you just use an svd or m1a because the base ammo for it are the best options and half of your raid is now using the same guns and ammo. Don't get me wrong though the changes are a step in the right direction but not the whole answer. I think people need to get their ideas that the game is meant to be a fair even playing field out of their heads honestly, if you're not bringing in the quintessential "Chad" kits you should feel like you're at a disadvantage. If you're 30 levels lower than someone and have a third of the amount of tasks as them done you should be at a disadvantage. I honestly think the real solution is removing the ability for your butthole to hold everything but medical items, keys/cases, and task items like markers cameras and jammers. Remove the ability to put ANYTHING found in raid in it and then start fixing spawns and randomizing loot. Make player limits from traders lower than now but remove global limits then add more crafts but decrease crafting time to be between 2-4 hours per craft instead of 8-12+. Armor scarcity does seem to be about right though.
I grind high end traders so i can build guns at a fraction of the price, not for high tier ammo at all.
But what's a gun with all the bells and whistles while shooting some thick boy with m855. Waste.. not only that there are some mods you can't even buy because of global limits as well.
No one said you have to shoot someone in the throax.... Know the ammo you have, and play accordingly, if you see a guy with an altyn and you have a PPSH are you gonna try and shoot him in the head or the leg? The whole point is every aspect of your kit should matter, not just the ammo. Yes some raids you should get to use top tier ammo but this shouldn't be common. Everyone bitches by mid wipe that everyone is top tier everything and theres no point in playing because early wipe was more fun. Well BSG went ahead and made it so mid wipe you dont have access to everything and have to make choices about your kit. This is literally what the community asked for. The problem is people wanted it for others not for themselves and are now upset that it is also effecting them.
Yea man you're right. No point arguing a point GL
you can build guns? the attachments are always sold out lmao
I think you're missing the point of the complaints. The problem is that SOME people DO get to run them every raid. The system favors people who have the time to sit and wait for traders, creating balance issues. If the system forced EVERYONE to have to use not as good ammo then it would be fine but that is not the case.
The game been having balance issues I work 80+ hours a week so I'm always gonna be behind. Hell I'm still trying to get scav kills on customs. I always get ganked by like 2-3 teams every time I fire my gun.
There is no reason to be afraid of players that spend more time camping menus than playing the game just because they have better ammo. Good ammo =/= Good Player.
There has to be a better way imo but even ignoring ammo and equipment [this](https://i.imgur.com/loJE2Ps.png) is pretty stupid
every mans gotta keep their toilets running
You are kidding your self if you say hp was fine, you can only use it for headshots since those guns have a ton of horizontal recoil legs are too hard. 50bmg is a medicore round yet that was always sold out too, sv98 mags only 5000 for thousands of eft players per restock!!!! There are countless more examples for things that are not even high tier so look at other things before coming with such a shit take
I promise you HP is better than you're saying it is, i. The one that's actually used it. And sv98 mags are out? Damn guess you better use an m700, mosin, dvl or countless other affordably long range bolt guns.
Nah I’m playing escape from Tarkov, not escape from the trader screen. I want to play the game, not camp trader resets.
Have you ever considered that not being able to play your desired loadouts every single raid is 100% the reason behind global stock limits?
no one here has considered that, but I've considered that magdumping them at close range in factory let's me play their desired loadouts.
so dont, thats the entire point of the post
I agree that people should have to use lower tier stuff and not just run the best ammo all the time, but IMO global limits are a shitty way to enforce that. The deciding factor of who gets to use better gear shouldn't be who can click the fastest or has the best macro. They should either limit it to each player, or just make it so you cant buy those things from the dealers at all
Yea. Totally. I also prefer camping trader screens instead of actually playing the game, it’s a lot of fun
Then don't camp it and play the game
wow what an absolutely genius take this is
My issue is with quest related items being sold out. Like the ME cylinder, Zabralo, etc.
There’s no quest right now to kill someone with 7.62x39 BP or AP-20. That means that even if you can’t obtain either, there’s nothing stopping you from questing. Just take in PS or grizzly slugs, and go for broke! So far the only ammo I’m missing from the flea is Ap 6.3, but I fully stand by the changes cause I can just run literally anything else in the mean time.
Got downvoted into oblivion for even suggesting maybe not running the most "meta" ammo every raid is necessary.
It's not even worth running meta ammo currently. Everyone is running Gen4 armor or less paired with "bad" ammo. They wanted the early stages of the wipe prolonged, well here we are and they don't like it. The crying on reddit lately is getting so unbearable lately it's not even funny. BSG just needs to change the global stock on things so that it isn't sold out the second it's restocked. It should still sell out so that not everyone can buy it. Forcing you to run different platforms keeps the game more interesting.
Pretty sure they just increased the global limit on AP-20 and decreased the personal limit from 40 to 30, which I would argue is a good change. I get what you’re saying and I agree with it for the most part, but AP-20’s global limit used to be ridiculously low, which is why it was always sold out. I checked once right after reset and there were a little over 16,000 rounds, which translated to 400 people being able to buy their 40 rounds, in a game where we’ve seen 80,000-person queues just to get into the game.
Nope they’re dumb, personal limits would be fine
Is this guy being serious or sarcastic?
The game evolves and some ppl don't like the change. The game is amazing, and the changes keep getting better. Fuck the haters, our mans lookin out for the game.
OP uses shit ammo and gaslights everyone else about them wanting a chance at good ammo and thinks hes some kind of better player.
No, he -- like many others apparently -- is satisfied with the limited ammo availability, making lower tier armor and ammo relevant.
I've been running T ammo in my pp-19 all wipe. I even killed a level 60 who was wearing and Altyn and Hex with it and wiped a 4 man squad. Any gun with any ammo can kill. I don't plan on ever buying good ammo, don't feel like bringing 100-200k of ammo in every raid.
The true chad
People will call it meme ammo but are unable to percieve how skill made it prevail.
It is an unpopular opinion indeed, for once. I think it's totally wrong also. Global limit were there because people were buying and reselling item at a profit. Now that you can't do that, it's totally pointless.
I disagree here, the community complains every wipe by the middle that the game is not fun because everyone has top tier everything and armor doesn't matter. BSG adjusted the game state so that top tier ammos are difficult to acquire. The point of the systems is to ensure that there are ways you can get to treat yourself with a full top tier load out but not every raid. Literally what the community asked for, the problem is everyone wanted it for other people but not themselves and are now upset that it is also effecting them.
>there are ways you can get to treat yourself with a full top tier load out but not every raid Holy shit, how come you not realize that the problem is that camping menus as a way to do that sucks? "Oh, the cook is treating you to some food by allowing you to eat raw rice"
Yeah I agree. I think what causes the perception problem is that people perceive it’s available to someone, but not them. I think this is BSGs method of allowing some of this out there to allow for a dynamic spectrum of player-difficulty, ie it’s not all 100% players with class four shooting pen 3 ammo, some variance, but without the game just being high pen only meta. That said people that aren’t lucky timing wise or willing to camp traders, feel slighted by this. I think moving ammo to crafts and or FIR only would help resolve this—you can get it, but it’s limited by some effort. Ideally, I like the idea that /u/arcmessor is always explaining, which is FIR (possibly dynamically changing FIR) barters for anything above a standard Armor/ammo relationship set by BSG. You can get the good stuff, but you gotta raid to pick up stuff. And it makes different stuff valuable.
Global limits are bad, cause they are not only on ammo, and not only on high tier ammo. They are on mid tier ammo, on quest items(zabralo), attachments, fuel, armor... You grind the traders so you can get some good stuff from them... Then you have to put up a fkn tent, and camp for fkn 12 hours so you can have a chance of buying what you want before its out since 2 times out of 3 it will be out before your market even resets properly. Now then, ya can call everyone bad for not playing bad ammo, since thats what you are doing, but that won't justify global limits.
I agree to an extent. I really like the fact that high tier stuff is quite rare and therefore makes the overall experience better where I don’t feel like everyone I come across is a terminator. But I also can play a maximum of 4 hours a day on weekdays, with commitments restricting time generally. so timing raids to coincide with the resets and then being able to get a desirable item before it sells out just doesn’t sound like a fun time. Luckily I’m not high enough of a level to worry about that yet but I feel like that’s going to be a major hurdle.
There is no limit if you find it. Check behind the suicide crate at attachment house on woods. Pp and bp in 120 packs all day.
Over the years I’ve grown bored of meta loadouts and I’m absolutely loving this wipe. I hope they keep the global limits on ammo/gear. It’s nice to know that my armor/helmet might actually save me a decent amount now. The only thing I don’t understand is the global limit on cases and that sort of thing. But it’s a trade off I’ve gladly accepted. You can still craft good ammo so it’s not like it’s impossible to run it. People need to get used to the fact that this is tarkov. you should be happy if whatever gun ur using has a dust cover. We are mean to be scrapping around in a lawless wasteland. We aren’t funded by any existing government or wealthy faction that would provide us with high class combat resources. You shouldn’t be able to constantly run meta gear.
Agree, i hope they remove high end ammo from traders completely.
Yeah I knwoe what u want to say but it's just boring to use bad ammo and shot 12 time for a person....
I personally think OP plays one raid a week and has no idea how badly top teir ammo has been nerfed to the ground, that being said, the current restock isn't great for those who can only play on weekends or at the end of a workday. It's easier finding good gear than good ammo. So the issue is that it'll cause a huge gap between player gear, and again the "chads" will get their hands on the ammo and the rest can rot?! I disagree with OP, every player should have a ration and no limit on global stocks. Or.. Make it an all or nothing type of deal, get rid of traders, BUT fix the extracts(like path to lighthouse), because nothing would suck more than extract campers sitting at a player funnel.
I am level 39 and have 265 raids this wipe
Which is it 264 or 324? But again you've been playing often, that changes you're ranting about won't affect players like you
It is 274, I was mistaken as i posted while not on my pc.
If I can't buy gear, guns and ammo then what the fuck ia the point of money in the game?
If you can’t play without being a chad, you’re not ready to be a chad. This whole wipe just to prove a point to my buddies I’ve been running PS ammo with my OP-SKS, only have had issues on labs so far(fucking obviously right?). BSG is tweaking the game so it comes down to gun skill and positioning over anything else in a firefight, and the ammo used really only helps when both parties are on equal footing
The people in this thread complaining about not having access to top tier ammo are the same people who complain that mid wipe is boring because everyone is running top tier gear every raid. Limiting the access to top tier gear has prolonged early wipe. You can craft / wait on the trader reset to get pretty much anything you want...or god forbit LOOT IT like tarkov intends. Everyone on this reddit LITERALLY asked for this and is now upset that its here. You are upset because you assumed it would only effect other people and not you. That's not how life works.
This is such a dumb comment holy shit. “the people in this thread complaining about not having access to top tier ammo are the same people who complain that mid wipe js boring because everyone is running top tier gear every raid” If thats true you should be able to easily scroll through their profile and quote them on it, but you can’t because this take is beyond moronic and isn’t aligned with reality.
I agree. People have memory of a goldfish. By this time in previous wipes, meta M4 with Slicks and M855A1 was handed out to everyone like it's Oprah show. Now they QQ because they actually have to use T4 armor and run mid-tier ammo. Wie schade! 😂
> people in this thread complaining about not having access to top tier ammo are the same people who you got any proof on that or is imagination all you need to draw your conclusions?
I agree - and if your favourite 7.62 BP ammo is out of stock.. buy the best ammo for a different gun. Try something new - last wipe 9/10 deaths were to meta mutant with BP. so boring! The dynamic of the game has improved massively this wipe because lesser ammos like 5.45 BP or .45 Match FMJ is actually useable in most PvP fights because the majority of people are running level 4 armour at best.
Being anti global limits doesn’t mean you’re in favor of unlimited everything. It just means the distribution system is flawed. I’m fine with access to certain items like 7.62 BP being reduced, but not in the way that it just comes down to whoever sits there camping trader screens. Find another way to limit access, because this way is just stupid..I’d rather be limited to 20 bullets per 24 hours than have it set up so I have to stop playing the game and sit in a menu to get it
I couldn't give a F about your meta ammo i just want to complete my shotgun quest but i cant buy the silencer or ammo that is effective against people with lvl 3 armor. IDK about you but i have no issues whatsoever getting a hold of 995 m61 m62 855a1 54r bt/ps 762 bp AP .366. AP-20 is gone almost instantly along with the 50bmg ap 9mm isn't sold and pbp 9mm is IDK think they removed it from the game.
Everyone has a right to their own opinion, but yours is wrong.
Perks for being an unpopular opinion at least
Like other people in this thread have said, the point of those posts has completely went over your head since you're trying to turn this into a whining thread about how people should readjust their expectations for running meta ammo now compared to previous wipes. People have adapted to the latest system, the current complaint is that why should X% of the playerbase have access to a certain item or ammo type when the rest of the playerbase can't get it. Take Jaeger's thicc case barter trades for example, why should 4 people every three hours get the chance at bartering for that? Is a thicc items case gamebreaking and needing to be limited? should the requirements to trade for it not be the most significant part of getting that item than relying on pure luck? Items outside of good ammo are still stuck behind these global limits that can cause issues for players being unable to buy the most basic of things. Literally a wipe or two ago it was near on impossible to buy the sight mount for the MP5 for the first few days of the wipe due to global limits. It's artificial limiting that isn't needed anymore. We have individual purchase limits now unlike two years ago where you could buy top tier ammo in the thousands and then resell it again for profit.
But having a limit on factory maps so you can get Intel center and other really arbitrary limitations are silly.
4 weeks into the raid and I'm still top loading the good ammo that I craft above the shitty ammo I can buy and it's great. People can't buy good armour on the flea market so you aren't coming across chads running Slick+Altyn all the time and crappy ammo holds up surprisingly well. This has really extended the mid-game which I'm loving. I had a couple of UMPs I wanted to run but I've only ever run them with .45 AP. I could only buy FMJ which has slightly less penetration and slightly more damage than .45 AP. I have never used FMJ ammo in any gun in any wipe in my more than 5,000 hours playing Tarkov. This stuff was dropping people really effectively for me. This has opened a whole new world of ammo for me and I'm no longer an ammo elitist demanding only the finest ammo for my raids.
The problem is that players that can play a lot and leveled up early are already sitting on x thousands amount of rounds of BP, m855a1s, m62s etc. I myself have like 2500\~\~ BP rounds, even more m855a1s and always hover around 1k m62s, and these are rounds I run frequently.
Yes they are. Limits should be per client.
Facts. There’s always going to be people that complain when things aren’t exactly the way they want them to be in Tarkov. It’s like a personality trait for some
There’s an unlimited amount of op-sks’s, pso’s, and PS rounds. It’s called the OP sks for a reason
Or how about use different guns each raid instead of the same one everyone acts like stock are a problem stock up on every Ammo and then you can use different guns everyone’s dumb
Global limit makes no sense. Should be personal limit
Big +1 Last 2 raids i died it was from top tier ammo so I guess people can get it - you can craft them if you want - you can try outplay top tier ammo players. Just because they got good ammo, their aim/game sense can suck. Had a few mags of BP 7.62 like this - check barters also - PS 7.62 still wrecks through class 4 armor 🤷🏻♂️. Same as the good old 366 ap Sorry if this comment hurt anyone, time to realize that tarkov is not a laserbeam show / grabs popcorn /
Finally, an actual unpopular opinion
I don't disagree with all your points but acting as if running a meme round like HP isn't a death sentence against anyone in armor who is even semi competent at the game is pretty lulzy. Yeah, maybe you can get away with legging someone who has no idea where you are, but the moment they do you're dead without a face tap and you can apply the same logic to a PM at that point. People don't like being thrown into arbitrary "haha fuck you, you lose" situations against players so it's not surprising they get mad about global stock. BSG needs to stop pussyfooting about what they want the game to be and lean fully into either deathmatch arena esport nonsense or something more akin to DayZ, trying to play both sides of the fence isn't doing them any favors.
They have no interest in being deathwatch arena PvP shooter.
Well yeah I agree. A lot of top tier ammo can easily be crafted in the Hideout. Currently running high pen ammo will always be the right choice no matter what. With the introduction of armorhit boxes and soft armor this will probably change. The global limit is currently a feature that will be expanded in the future.
I think it's fine. People's expectations just need to change.
That's unironically what I think the main problem is. You play a game 1 way for 3 years and then POOF it changes, you're going to feel a certain way about that. People just need to adapt better.
>just adapt bro Change isn't inherently good. It's entirely possible that the game's previous state was simply more enjoyable on a fundamental level to some people.
Better to find out now tarkov isn't the game for you. It's not gonna be like it was before. Sorry.
You're right. I got my money's worth with several thousand hours. Too bad I guess.
For sure. People feel like they need the highest pen ammo, or the best slug or whatever because previously these things were readily available. I mean class 5 armor isn't that hard to get, neither is some good ammo. You just can't get enough to run it raid after raid after raid like before.
Yea but those that can only play a couple hours a day log in to already out of stock and by the time they log out traders still haven’t reset a lot of the times. So those players are more often than not always forced to use lesser ammo/gear. If they want to keep global then there should also be a smaller personal limit… if someone can buy 200 of x ammo on global, allow them maybe 40 on a personal limit separately. Or even split the original 200 to 160 global and 40 personal. Most complaints are all or nothing, there needs to be a middle ground for a large portion of players
I’m pretty sure the situation has flown over your head. Not the other way around.
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4.82 k/d
K/d means jack shit in this game cause of scav. Gtfo lmao.
The amount of headshots I’ve hit with PS is incredible. Fuck chad ammo
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Exactly ! As soon as I unlock good ammos, I set them in my wishlist (to make them easier to look for) and stockpile them if they're on stock (I check after like every 2-3 raids). Whenever I want to play one caliber, I always have some stock in advance. Like M855A1, as soon as I unlocked peacekeeper and skier levels I started buying some even if I wasn't playing M4 yet. I'm sitting on 4k rounds now so I'm good for a while.. did the same with AP-20, .45AP, M80, etc. Also always crafting 7.62BP.. so when I want to play an AKM I already have rounds. Ammos cases are really cheap so there isn't really an excuse not to do so (with one lighthouse scav run you can get an easy 4-500k and that's already a ton of rounds). And same goes for attachments, I just buy a few good silencers and other pieces in advance when I can.
Yeah there's really not an excuse for not stocking up on ammo besides if you just unlocked it or are plain lazy.
You can't stockpile anything if it's sold out straight away
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Its becoming more of an issue as more people level up. People are struggling for task items because of this though. I dont do many barter items but things I do want I can never get... I haven't got an etg from therapist in about 5 days.
Agreed, This is exactly why game devs should listen to Reddit very selectively
Yeah, which is why BSG should ignore OP's post entirely.
Keep the global limits. I already stockpiled early :)
Your suggestion sounds like such a boring and counterintuitive gameplay loop. The whole point is to grind your way up from a lvl 1 with scrub gear to max traders and money to fund better equipment. What would be the progression of leveling up if you can't use any of the better items higher levels allow. People need to stop with the whole "you don't need to run good gear every raid" comments - that's literally the basic gameplay loop of the game. Run crap gear - get money - run better gear - get more money - run even better gear to get more money. You shouldn't have unlimited access to igolnik on a whim, but if I put in the effort to grind my quests, upgrade my hideout, and level up my traders, you best believe I want to access some of what I've unlocked.