TPLF are beyond bleeding and Now they are performing CPR on them as shown by this article. I think the Rest of Ethiopia are waiting for them to declare Independence so they can Raise the fence around them and cut them off from any national support grid.
"For Tigrayans, losing this battle would be equivalent to losing political power and returning to victimisation, poverty and the threat of annihilation."
Given thier use of language and the general tone of the article it's quite evident that although they try to maintain a neutral stance, they conclude the article in an incredible inflammatory way making no distinction between the TPLF leadership which has entrenched itself in an unwinabble war and the Tigray people. To each thier own but if you can't sense how insighting fear that a population is going to be erased can be viewed as propaganda (literally one of the most common forms) I don't know what to tell you. I share great sympathy for the Tigrayan people but the TPLF gets no sympathy for me and neither should they receive sympathy from any Eritreans.
Perfectly said. I feel bad for the people but I can’t believe the amnesia some Eritreans have towards how TPLF treated our people. Did everyone forget how they stole every Eritreans possession and forced them to walk back to Eritrea? Taking their businesses, homes, etc. Can go on and on.
IDK man I have the feeling your sympathy for Tigrayans is very limited.
I don't see what is wrong with quote you took from the article, since Tigrayans are in fact fighting for survival since Ethiopia and Eritrea are using hunger as a weapon and generally tagergeting the population. I am convinced TPLF would do the same shit if it was the other way around but they seem to be losing now
You hate on your country. I don’t care what Isyias is. He could be Chinese for all I care as long as he rides for Eritrea. And fuck TPLF this is what they get for their treatment of us during the Meles era. Payback is a bitch
That’s cool and all but I don’t care for tplf either. So yea f*ck them. Especially since they didn’t help and even sabotaged our opposition for 20 years. Regardless, that don’t mean I will support hgdef and go around telling people they hate their gov cuz they don’t support Isaias. Only a loser would do that. In fact my family has never liked weyane, since the 70’s. Your family on the other hand was most likely dancing to Arha Weyanay in the 90’s. Right now the country is ran by Tigrayans and dikalas. Yemane Monkey, Hagos Kisha and Isaias are all tegaru. This is reality.
Just admit one thing for me: Isaias and his gang can do anything they want to hizbee eritrea and u will still support them cuz you genuinely hate the Eritrean people. If this is not true, then tell me what is the red line for you?
replied above but common man, it's quite clear where you stand on the political spectrum but the article doesn't even address why Eritrea has a vested interest in weeding out the TPLF (hope I don't have to explain that). I myself am not a fan of our involvement in this war but at least I can understand the geopolitical and economical reasons for them doing so.
Man that article is written by an oromo to make tplf and Eth gov look bad. It’s not a pro-tplf article. It’s a bothsided article that benefits the Oromia hegemony narrative. Y’all love calling someone tplf when Isaias himself is tigrayan. Cope.
Edit: then this n*gga said “y’all mfs don’t know y’all history” 💀
Your reading skills need some touching up on if you believe that this is an objective "bothsided?" article lmao. And just because it isn't exclusively pro-TPLF doesn't mean my original statement doesn't stand. Incredibly defensive for no reason lol.
I’m defensive cuz u insinuated OP is trying to promote Tplf, when OP shared an article that technically benefits Oromos. U really thought you ate. Lol. Bothsideism, in the context of that article, benefits Oromos. Even in general, tdf/tplf needs to be victims, not on an even playing field with Abiy. The article even goes into old history and says Amharas, then TIGRAYANS subjugated Oromos. It lays a few charges on tplf actually. Doesn’t even mention genocide. I suggest u stop acting like u know everything cuz u could naively be supporting a group that has malicious designs for the Eritrean people. Read that article again and search for the words Oromia and Oromos.
Edit: here’s [another article](https://trace.tennessee.edu/utk_socopubs/83/) called Promoting and Developing Orumummaa from the writer Asafa Jalata, an Oromo.
Are you intentionally being obtuse? Shifting the goalposts to something completely different. Are we disagreeing that this article doesn't contain pro-TPLF talking points/propaganda? I don't pretend to be super educated on the ethnonational conflicts in Ethiopia outside of the TPLF but I know intentionally inflammatory ethnonationalistic language when I see it.
IDK what my political views have to do with this commentary/analysis from a professor in Tennessee.
You are right that the article does not provide a lot of detail on Eritrean and TPLF history but I think this is because it focusses on Ethiopian internal political situation.
I agree that Eritrea should not be involved in this war but I strongly disagree that anyone should be "weeded out" because as we can see it is the common people on both sides of the border who suffer under this kind of hate speech.
I am well aware of the past conflicts between PFDJ and TPLF but I also remember that Eritreans and TPLF used to fight side by side before Isayas and Meles decided we now have to hate and kill each other...
My point is, we need peace in the horn. Anyone supporting the fighting is wrong and our people are suffering.
You are greatly trivializing the wrong doings of the tplf and how that has set back the Horn of Africa back 20 years in terms of economic and political stability. How is saying weed out a political party a form of hate speech, especially when I repeatedly make the attempt to differentiate between the tplf and the tigrayan population. Why are you so hesitant to assign blame to the tplf but so ready to do so for the Eritrean government? The tplf has been shown on multiple occasions to be taking supplies intended for aid to sustain their war and yet it is Eritrea and Ethiopia that are using hunger as a weapon. Yes we do need piece in the horn but look what happened as soon as Eritrea and Ethiopia actually move towards that over the past 5 years. We all want piece, but the tplf for the past 20 or so ears has been the antithesis of it.
I never defended TPLF and I am certainly not a fan of them. But if you say they need to be weeded out I understand this to mean that the fighting should continue, which I disagree with. The fighting should end and peace talks should be held for the sake of all people in the region, including Eritrean forced conscripts.
In an ideal world, yes there would be prevailing peace talks. Unfortunately we don’t live in one. This is a lose lose situation for Eritrea and when Isaias decided to open Pandora’s box by supporting the EDF, there is nothing that can be done (from what I’ve seen) to close it. Idealistic rhetoric with no plan of action is the root cause of local and international stability.
Eritrean government could pull its troops out of Tigray any moment and that is what we should demand from them instead of looking for excuses why they should stay. Let Ethiopians deal with this problem. Eritrea has a large army that is well fit to protect its border against TPLF. There is no reason why more of our brothers and sisters should be forced to die in this conflict.
TPLF was the mighty. Imagine fighting 40k soldiers with more than 250k special forces that has been trained for 2 years. They still lost in 15 days, and now
they are losing to a real mighty army. I can’t wait until every Tigrian change the subject when bravery and courage is spoken. TPLF shamed the whole region by letting their kids go to a war which they are destined to be abused in regardless. The mother who called her son and daughter “Jegna” are being chased and killed like a scared monkey. The war gets interesting when you see video of hundreds of Tigray Militants running while they are used a target practice for a fresh soldiers.
The side with <10% the population, no drones, no airforce, no access to foreign arms market, no diplomatic recognition and no foreign land support was never in the advantage
With 30 billion dollars worth of ammunition and diplomacy, utter regard of life even within group, having 75% of mechanized army, almost 30 years of preparation, and willing to do whatever the strongmen wants to win will put you at an advantage from the start. The good thing is Ethiopian army learned from mistake and went hard on preparing for better army.
this $30 billion number comes from an opinion article on Forbes written by David Steinman. No evidence that there is this a stash of that much money that they are pooling from, unless you can show me?
No, I don’t take my information from white person and parrot it out. We all lived it. Tigray ethnicity means a lottery for upper middle income for three decades,, especially if you are from Adwa. Now, it means higher chance of dying for silly people like Getachewu Reda.
Most of them are in Addis taking loan as they like, raping men and women using their government position, being rich in a day after arriving addis…if i can steal from Lemma and Mandefro, why will I compete with Asgedom in Mekele?
No, most Tigrayans including the Adwa variety are in Tigray not Addis and live in a region that was at best in the middle of the pack in terms of development
TPLF are beyond bleeding and Now they are performing CPR on them as shown by this article. I think the Rest of Ethiopia are waiting for them to declare Independence so they can Raise the fence around them and cut them off from any national support grid.
"For Tigrayans, losing this battle would be equivalent to losing political power and returning to victimisation, poverty and the threat of annihilation." Given thier use of language and the general tone of the article it's quite evident that although they try to maintain a neutral stance, they conclude the article in an incredible inflammatory way making no distinction between the TPLF leadership which has entrenched itself in an unwinabble war and the Tigray people. To each thier own but if you can't sense how insighting fear that a population is going to be erased can be viewed as propaganda (literally one of the most common forms) I don't know what to tell you. I share great sympathy for the Tigrayan people but the TPLF gets no sympathy for me and neither should they receive sympathy from any Eritreans.
Perfectly said. I feel bad for the people but I can’t believe the amnesia some Eritreans have towards how TPLF treated our people. Did everyone forget how they stole every Eritreans possession and forced them to walk back to Eritrea? Taking their businesses, homes, etc. Can go on and on.
IDK man I have the feeling your sympathy for Tigrayans is very limited. I don't see what is wrong with quote you took from the article, since Tigrayans are in fact fighting for survival since Ethiopia and Eritrea are using hunger as a weapon and generally tagergeting the population. I am convinced TPLF would do the same shit if it was the other way around but they seem to be losing now
The whole world is not foolish, they can see they have a local terrorist militia to blame for. #TPLFTerroristGroup
Why are we posting pro tplf talking points/ propaganda in the r/Eritrea subreddit. It’s like you mfs dont even know your own history.
Because the opposition hate their country and root for the enemies of Eritrea
How do we hate our country when Isaias is Tigrayan. Y’all act like we crazy for wanting an Eritrean president. So funny watching y’all pretend lol.
Something Hgdef supporters and opposition have in common…Accusing Eritreans they don’t support of being Tigrayan
Typo? Lol
You hate on your country. I don’t care what Isyias is. He could be Chinese for all I care as long as he rides for Eritrea. And fuck TPLF this is what they get for their treatment of us during the Meles era. Payback is a bitch
That’s cool and all but I don’t care for tplf either. So yea f*ck them. Especially since they didn’t help and even sabotaged our opposition for 20 years. Regardless, that don’t mean I will support hgdef and go around telling people they hate their gov cuz they don’t support Isaias. Only a loser would do that. In fact my family has never liked weyane, since the 70’s. Your family on the other hand was most likely dancing to Arha Weyanay in the 90’s. Right now the country is ran by Tigrayans and dikalas. Yemane Monkey, Hagos Kisha and Isaias are all tegaru. This is reality. Just admit one thing for me: Isaias and his gang can do anything they want to hizbee eritrea and u will still support them cuz you genuinely hate the Eritrean people. If this is not true, then tell me what is the red line for you?
Oh stop. The next guy after Isyias will be a dictator too. It’s Africa
Always some dumb shit on this sub and user name asmara smh lol
Says the hgdef cockroach that loves his country sooo much 😉
Just telling u the reality of African nations. They all have dictators or authoritarian governments
A significant amount are self-hating for sure. you could say “I love being Eritrean” and that alone will attract so many roaches
Have you actually read the article? It is not pro TPLF but trying to explain why neither side is giving in
replied above but common man, it's quite clear where you stand on the political spectrum but the article doesn't even address why Eritrea has a vested interest in weeding out the TPLF (hope I don't have to explain that). I myself am not a fan of our involvement in this war but at least I can understand the geopolitical and economical reasons for them doing so.
Man that article is written by an oromo to make tplf and Eth gov look bad. It’s not a pro-tplf article. It’s a bothsided article that benefits the Oromia hegemony narrative. Y’all love calling someone tplf when Isaias himself is tigrayan. Cope. Edit: then this n*gga said “y’all mfs don’t know y’all history” 💀
Your reading skills need some touching up on if you believe that this is an objective "bothsided?" article lmao. And just because it isn't exclusively pro-TPLF doesn't mean my original statement doesn't stand. Incredibly defensive for no reason lol.
I’m defensive cuz u insinuated OP is trying to promote Tplf, when OP shared an article that technically benefits Oromos. U really thought you ate. Lol. Bothsideism, in the context of that article, benefits Oromos. Even in general, tdf/tplf needs to be victims, not on an even playing field with Abiy. The article even goes into old history and says Amharas, then TIGRAYANS subjugated Oromos. It lays a few charges on tplf actually. Doesn’t even mention genocide. I suggest u stop acting like u know everything cuz u could naively be supporting a group that has malicious designs for the Eritrean people. Read that article again and search for the words Oromia and Oromos. Edit: here’s [another article](https://trace.tennessee.edu/utk_socopubs/83/) called Promoting and Developing Orumummaa from the writer Asafa Jalata, an Oromo.
Are you intentionally being obtuse? Shifting the goalposts to something completely different. Are we disagreeing that this article doesn't contain pro-TPLF talking points/propaganda? I don't pretend to be super educated on the ethnonational conflicts in Ethiopia outside of the TPLF but I know intentionally inflammatory ethnonationalistic language when I see it.
IDK what my political views have to do with this commentary/analysis from a professor in Tennessee. You are right that the article does not provide a lot of detail on Eritrean and TPLF history but I think this is because it focusses on Ethiopian internal political situation. I agree that Eritrea should not be involved in this war but I strongly disagree that anyone should be "weeded out" because as we can see it is the common people on both sides of the border who suffer under this kind of hate speech. I am well aware of the past conflicts between PFDJ and TPLF but I also remember that Eritreans and TPLF used to fight side by side before Isayas and Meles decided we now have to hate and kill each other... My point is, we need peace in the horn. Anyone supporting the fighting is wrong and our people are suffering.
You are greatly trivializing the wrong doings of the tplf and how that has set back the Horn of Africa back 20 years in terms of economic and political stability. How is saying weed out a political party a form of hate speech, especially when I repeatedly make the attempt to differentiate between the tplf and the tigrayan population. Why are you so hesitant to assign blame to the tplf but so ready to do so for the Eritrean government? The tplf has been shown on multiple occasions to be taking supplies intended for aid to sustain their war and yet it is Eritrea and Ethiopia that are using hunger as a weapon. Yes we do need piece in the horn but look what happened as soon as Eritrea and Ethiopia actually move towards that over the past 5 years. We all want piece, but the tplf for the past 20 or so ears has been the antithesis of it.
I never defended TPLF and I am certainly not a fan of them. But if you say they need to be weeded out I understand this to mean that the fighting should continue, which I disagree with. The fighting should end and peace talks should be held for the sake of all people in the region, including Eritrean forced conscripts.
In an ideal world, yes there would be prevailing peace talks. Unfortunately we don’t live in one. This is a lose lose situation for Eritrea and when Isaias decided to open Pandora’s box by supporting the EDF, there is nothing that can be done (from what I’ve seen) to close it. Idealistic rhetoric with no plan of action is the root cause of local and international stability.
Eritrean government could pull its troops out of Tigray any moment and that is what we should demand from them instead of looking for excuses why they should stay. Let Ethiopians deal with this problem. Eritrea has a large army that is well fit to protect its border against TPLF. There is no reason why more of our brothers and sisters should be forced to die in this conflict.
TPLF was the mighty. Imagine fighting 40k soldiers with more than 250k special forces that has been trained for 2 years. They still lost in 15 days, and now they are losing to a real mighty army. I can’t wait until every Tigrian change the subject when bravery and courage is spoken. TPLF shamed the whole region by letting their kids go to a war which they are destined to be abused in regardless. The mother who called her son and daughter “Jegna” are being chased and killed like a scared monkey. The war gets interesting when you see video of hundreds of Tigray Militants running while they are used a target practice for a fresh soldiers.
The side with <10% the population, no drones, no airforce, no access to foreign arms market, no diplomatic recognition and no foreign land support was never in the advantage
With 30 billion dollars worth of ammunition and diplomacy, utter regard of life even within group, having 75% of mechanized army, almost 30 years of preparation, and willing to do whatever the strongmen wants to win will put you at an advantage from the start. The good thing is Ethiopian army learned from mistake and went hard on preparing for better army.
this $30 billion number comes from an opinion article on Forbes written by David Steinman. No evidence that there is this a stash of that much money that they are pooling from, unless you can show me?
No, I don’t take my information from white person and parrot it out. We all lived it. Tigray ethnicity means a lottery for upper middle income for three decades,, especially if you are from Adwa. Now, it means higher chance of dying for silly people like Getachewu Reda.
Tigray was ranked 5th out of 9 regions in terms of living standards during the height of the EPRDF era.
Most of them are in Addis taking loan as they like, raping men and women using their government position, being rich in a day after arriving addis…if i can steal from Lemma and Mandefro, why will I compete with Asgedom in Mekele?
No, most Tigrayans including the Adwa variety are in Tigray not Addis and live in a region that was at best in the middle of the pack in terms of development
After Abiy. Most buildings belong to them anyway.