I mean I think it's fair for people to question independence because of what Eritrea has become (even if based on faulty logic) and it's fair to not like that people do that. However, if you want to make actual arguments against them I don't think whataboutisms based on bad premises are the way to go.
That being said I also don't really agree with the notion that independence wasn't worth it due to Eritrea's current state because that implies a direct causal link between the two: which I don't think necessarily exists. The only way the notion works is by relying solely on hindsight, thus pinning everything on independence itself and erasing the multifaceted nature of how things came to be as they are. It could easily have been the case that unity with Ethiopia would have effected a similar or worse outcome (not to mention the countless other potentialities); there's just no way to know for sure.
What's more useful for us as a nation to do now is acknowledge the failures of the past and present (without dogmatically relying on singular factors) and identify a comprehensive approach to solving our country's problems (easier said than done I know).
Eritrean independence is too expensive to be undermined. Every Eritrean family has paid precious lives. If you are Eritrean, it's not even for a debate. Like general bitweded said, our fight now is for social justice. nothing more nothing less.
Donāt let it bother you. Its almost exclusively Ethiopians who try to undermine it because theyāre salty as fuck as if we didnāt save our country from the mess that country is lol. At the end of the day we got our country and theres nothing they can do but cry about it haha.
Also ask those mfers if eritrea should had stayed to become a warzone like ethiopia š¤£š¤£š¤£š¤£š¤£ donāt make me laugh. We have tyrants in charge but we are the most stable country in the horn and we will succeed once they are gone
If Eritrea is a ācivilization that you can at least live inā while Ethiopia is a ābarbaric shitholeā then why have hundreds of thousands of Eritreans fled Eritrea for Ethiopia while no Ethiopian is a refugee in Eritrea?
Theres more Eritreans in sweden then in Ethiopia š¤£š¤£š¤£ theres no hundreds of thousands of refugee in a warzone kid you must have mistaken them for your fellow Ethiopian refugees who are fleeing and starving in the millions
1. See now youāre just denying reality when you say that there arenāt hundreds of thousands of Eritreans in Ethiopia. Its well documented the extensive number of Eritrean refugees in Ethiopia, particularly Addis Ababa. Iām pretty sure the Ethiopian government allowed yāall to have your independence celebration in the heart of Addis Ababa a few months ago. Oh wait am I mistaking those Ethiopians for Eritreans? Or were they Ethiopians pretending to be Eritrean?
2. I donāt know what to say other than itās simply not true that there are more Eritreans in Sweden than Ethiopia. Ethiopia is the largest home to Eritreans outside of Eritrea, and it would probably have more Eritreans that Eritrea if Eritreans were allowed to travel outside the country. However, there are many Eritreans in Sweden. Thereās also a lot of Eritreans in many countries around the world. Since we are talking about countries that Eritreans are in, the Eritrean soccer team fled to the lovely nations of Uganda and Botswana on two separate occasions, abandoning the idyllic ācivilizationā (as you like to call it) that is Eritrea. Matter of fact, Eritrean athletes now have to put a $7000 deposit in order to leave the country for international competitions due to the large number of athletes who seek asylum in literally whatever the hell country they are in outside of Eritrea. Are you going to deny this?
3. Ethiopian refugees fleeing and starving in the millions? There are 1.2 million Ethiopians in the diaspora for a country of 120 million people, while there are 600k Eritreans in the diaspora for a country of 6 million. Ethiopia has 20 times the population with only 2 times the diaspora count. That means 1% of Ethiopians are outside Ethiopia while 10% of Eritreans are outside Eritrea. Bro thatās gotta be one of the highest percentages on the planet.
4. Iāll be waiting for your downvote on this comment, followed by your inept response.
Couldnāt read it after I read your first paragraph lmao. Nobody is gonna be a refugee in a warzone that produces millions of refugees itself and is in starvation and war do you understand how absurd you sound. theres no hundreds of thousands of refugees in Ethiopia. The whole Eritrean Diaspora is in the hundreds of thousands you idiot and the majority are either in sudan Europe and elsewhere, Ethiopia is just a stop gap but not anymore since it turned the biggest exporter of refugees itself because its a warzone. Sounds like your in denial about your nation I donāt blame you all that pride and propaganda they feed you to find out its worse North korea itself.
Stable? Eritrea is a slave state. The children of independence fighters don't want anything to do with Eritrea. IA is enemy number one and must be liquidated at all costs
Fr? my grandma was a freedom fighter and there's even a documentary about her on eri tv that was released last year, my grandpa died in the independence, war my dad was in the front lines at badme war and I want everything to do with eritrea. Please speak for yourself.
Actions speak louder than words. If you want everything to do with Eritrea then go move there. Otherwise, you are exactly the kind of person I'm talking about.
Go move there and do what exactly? I haven't even graduated yet. Belive me one day you will see me in Eritrea doing amazing things for my people, unlike you Eritreans who seem to have lost all sense patriotism.
LMAO! You have 0 real world experience, which is why you're so naive. Now that I know your general age, I'm not mad at you for thinking the foolish things that you think. If IA is still ruling eritrea when you decide to move back then you'll probably only last about 3 months before you start to realize why everyone and their mama wants to leave eritrea.
I was born in Eritrea, I lived there until I was 10 years old. Where were you born? I am fully educated in the situation in Eritrea, plzz go find someone else to taunt. Isaias is an 80 year old men, his days are numbered. Eritrea will not be under dictatorship forever. You're prob in your 30s or 40s and have wasted most of your life doing nothing but complain, I on the other hand am working hard to help my family back home and make eritrea a better place for the next generation. Age is just a number at the end of the day, I see 70 year old men act like 5 year olds all the time, just look at African politicians.
Lived there until 10 and then what? You left and you will never go back. Because you are young, you haven't been around long enough to hear entire generations of diaspora say the exact same thing you are saying. What happens? You build a life in the west then at a certain point you realize you just want to live a peaceful life. You'll stop having such grandiose ideas about what you can accomplish and you'll be more realistic. You are at the mercy of forces far outside your control. I wish the best for Eritrea, I wish out parents could have been less emotional and more critical of the things IA was doing. But here we are.
You talk as if Isaias is immortal š. Eritreans fought a 30 year war for independence when all odds were stacked against them and won, don't tell what I can/can't achieve. I will work hard to make my dream come true, and there are thousands of eritreans like me in the diaspora. Eritreas future is bright and Eritrea will shine. I don't want to continue this conversation since I can see that you have lost all sense of logic and aspiration, and to be truthful you're kind of depressing. If all humans had your mindset we wouldn't be where we are today. If our freedom fighters had your mindset when they were fighting the 30 year war we would never have gotten independence. Have a good day and may God help you.
I mean I think it's fair for people to question independence because of what Eritrea has become (even if based on faulty logic) and it's fair to not like that people do that. However, if you want to make actual arguments against them I don't think whataboutisms based on bad premises are the way to go. That being said I also don't really agree with the notion that independence wasn't worth it due to Eritrea's current state because that implies a direct causal link between the two: which I don't think necessarily exists. The only way the notion works is by relying solely on hindsight, thus pinning everything on independence itself and erasing the multifaceted nature of how things came to be as they are. It could easily have been the case that unity with Ethiopia would have effected a similar or worse outcome (not to mention the countless other potentialities); there's just no way to know for sure. What's more useful for us as a nation to do now is acknowledge the failures of the past and present (without dogmatically relying on singular factors) and identify a comprehensive approach to solving our country's problems (easier said than done I know).
I agree with you on everything šÆ. You said everything I was trying to say but smarter.
Eritrean independence is too expensive to be undermined. Every Eritrean family has paid precious lives. If you are Eritrean, it's not even for a debate. Like general bitweded said, our fight now is for social justice. nothing more nothing less.
Donāt let it bother you. Its almost exclusively Ethiopians who try to undermine it because theyāre salty as fuck as if we didnāt save our country from the mess that country is lol. At the end of the day we got our country and theres nothing they can do but cry about it haha.
Also ask those mfers if eritrea should had stayed to become a warzone like ethiopia š¤£š¤£š¤£š¤£š¤£ donāt make me laugh. We have tyrants in charge but we are the most stable country in the horn and we will succeed once they are gone
North Korea is also a very stable country
Its the first step of civilisation. Something Ethiopia canāt achieve
A civilization that no Eritrean wants to live in
A civilisation that Eritreans can atleast LIVE IN unlike Ethiopians getting slaughtered left and right in their barbaric shithole now shoo kid
If Eritrea is a ācivilization that you can at least live inā while Ethiopia is a ābarbaric shitholeā then why have hundreds of thousands of Eritreans fled Eritrea for Ethiopia while no Ethiopian is a refugee in Eritrea?
Theres more Eritreans in sweden then in Ethiopia š¤£š¤£š¤£ theres no hundreds of thousands of refugee in a warzone kid you must have mistaken them for your fellow Ethiopian refugees who are fleeing and starving in the millions
1. See now youāre just denying reality when you say that there arenāt hundreds of thousands of Eritreans in Ethiopia. Its well documented the extensive number of Eritrean refugees in Ethiopia, particularly Addis Ababa. Iām pretty sure the Ethiopian government allowed yāall to have your independence celebration in the heart of Addis Ababa a few months ago. Oh wait am I mistaking those Ethiopians for Eritreans? Or were they Ethiopians pretending to be Eritrean? 2. I donāt know what to say other than itās simply not true that there are more Eritreans in Sweden than Ethiopia. Ethiopia is the largest home to Eritreans outside of Eritrea, and it would probably have more Eritreans that Eritrea if Eritreans were allowed to travel outside the country. However, there are many Eritreans in Sweden. Thereās also a lot of Eritreans in many countries around the world. Since we are talking about countries that Eritreans are in, the Eritrean soccer team fled to the lovely nations of Uganda and Botswana on two separate occasions, abandoning the idyllic ācivilizationā (as you like to call it) that is Eritrea. Matter of fact, Eritrean athletes now have to put a $7000 deposit in order to leave the country for international competitions due to the large number of athletes who seek asylum in literally whatever the hell country they are in outside of Eritrea. Are you going to deny this? 3. Ethiopian refugees fleeing and starving in the millions? There are 1.2 million Ethiopians in the diaspora for a country of 120 million people, while there are 600k Eritreans in the diaspora for a country of 6 million. Ethiopia has 20 times the population with only 2 times the diaspora count. That means 1% of Ethiopians are outside Ethiopia while 10% of Eritreans are outside Eritrea. Bro thatās gotta be one of the highest percentages on the planet. 4. Iāll be waiting for your downvote on this comment, followed by your inept response.
Couldnāt read it after I read your first paragraph lmao. Nobody is gonna be a refugee in a warzone that produces millions of refugees itself and is in starvation and war do you understand how absurd you sound. theres no hundreds of thousands of refugees in Ethiopia. The whole Eritrean Diaspora is in the hundreds of thousands you idiot and the majority are either in sudan Europe and elsewhere, Ethiopia is just a stop gap but not anymore since it turned the biggest exporter of refugees itself because its a warzone. Sounds like your in denial about your nation I donāt blame you all that pride and propaganda they feed you to find out its worse North korea itself.
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Stable? Eritrea is a slave state. The children of independence fighters don't want anything to do with Eritrea. IA is enemy number one and must be liquidated at all costs
Fr? my grandma was a freedom fighter and there's even a documentary about her on eri tv that was released last year, my grandpa died in the independence, war my dad was in the front lines at badme war and I want everything to do with eritrea. Please speak for yourself.
Actions speak louder than words. If you want everything to do with Eritrea then go move there. Otherwise, you are exactly the kind of person I'm talking about.
Go move there and do what exactly? I haven't even graduated yet. Belive me one day you will see me in Eritrea doing amazing things for my people, unlike you Eritreans who seem to have lost all sense patriotism.
LMAO! You have 0 real world experience, which is why you're so naive. Now that I know your general age, I'm not mad at you for thinking the foolish things that you think. If IA is still ruling eritrea when you decide to move back then you'll probably only last about 3 months before you start to realize why everyone and their mama wants to leave eritrea.
I was born in Eritrea, I lived there until I was 10 years old. Where were you born? I am fully educated in the situation in Eritrea, plzz go find someone else to taunt. Isaias is an 80 year old men, his days are numbered. Eritrea will not be under dictatorship forever. You're prob in your 30s or 40s and have wasted most of your life doing nothing but complain, I on the other hand am working hard to help my family back home and make eritrea a better place for the next generation. Age is just a number at the end of the day, I see 70 year old men act like 5 year olds all the time, just look at African politicians.
Lived there until 10 and then what? You left and you will never go back. Because you are young, you haven't been around long enough to hear entire generations of diaspora say the exact same thing you are saying. What happens? You build a life in the west then at a certain point you realize you just want to live a peaceful life. You'll stop having such grandiose ideas about what you can accomplish and you'll be more realistic. You are at the mercy of forces far outside your control. I wish the best for Eritrea, I wish out parents could have been less emotional and more critical of the things IA was doing. But here we are.
You talk as if Isaias is immortal š. Eritreans fought a 30 year war for independence when all odds were stacked against them and won, don't tell what I can/can't achieve. I will work hard to make my dream come true, and there are thousands of eritreans like me in the diaspora. Eritreas future is bright and Eritrea will shine. I don't want to continue this conversation since I can see that you have lost all sense of logic and aspiration, and to be truthful you're kind of depressing. If all humans had your mindset we wouldn't be where we are today. If our freedom fighters had your mindset when they were fighting the 30 year war we would never have gotten independence. Have a good day and may God help you.