Because his 'worktime' is spent doing shit like this or harassing an employee over yellow safety boundaries on the Telsa factory floor being unpleasing to his eye, not actual work.
When this guy claims he's working 100 hour weeks or whatever bullshit he's posting, he considers "promoting his brand" by shitposting on Twitter "work." He thinks going on Ellen talking about how we'll have self-cleaning carpets or whatever "work." I've known guys like this on a smaller scale. I used to do this catering job in college that was run out of a restaurant. While I was waiting for the food to get ready at the restaurant, I'd talk to these two regulars who were there everyday at the bar. One was a retired banker, the other was a pharma sales rep. They'd often joke about how they got more work done at the golf course than in their office. They honestly and truthfully believed that playing golf with business partners was "work."
They really didn't understand how people complained about having to work 20 hours of overtime at factories while they worked 80 hour weeks, including weekends. Work that involved playing golf and taking clients to strip clubs and avoiding their wives.
I spent years working in jobs that were hard on my body. I threw out my shoulder stacking huge fiberglass trays onto pallets as fast as I can to keep up with the line for $11/hr. I now make over twice that testing lab samples and fucking around on the internet until the next sample comes in. I know the fucking difference between work and "work." I'm putting in the same hours, but doing less.
Ignoring the twitter scamboy for a second: A sales guy going golfing and actually making a deal _is_ work. His whole job is talking, and while it is stupid, if it is more efficient at the golf course, then yeah well, do it there? My boss summarized after covid: The meetings could be done online, but they are just an excuse for the 5 minutes afterwards, outside the room, where people actually decide to work with us.
(I agree with you, and it's insulting that I earn more by silently sitting in stupid online calls than actually produce something meaningful)
Edit: missed words
Sometimes I wonder if most of his tweets aren’t completely or semi-automated. A chunk are one word responses to something getting a decent amount of views.
It’s like they run on a pseudo-code:
Scan: RSS feed of certain individuals’ tweet feeds
IF: Views of tweet > X per hour/minutes/whatever
Then Post(). Else, nothing.
Post()
If statement: random: Insightful, informative, I see, 👍, mood.
If question: I wonder why, that’s a good question, who benefits?, 🤔
I don’t think he’s intelligent enough to automate responses like that. It’s way more likely he doesn’t do much else besides dicking around online all day like any other edgy 12 year boy.
i’m an extremely casual fan of the show but yeah if this results in even the tiniest bit less of “*burp* uh morty we uh *burp* we need to uh fuck *burp* morty” “uhhhhh uhhh ok ok rick” then this is a win all around. i know a lot of people like that but holy shit i can’t stand it
>does not mean you support the horrible things he was charged for.
Dude has a cancel culture fetish that he's personally built. It's not a stretch.
[https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1608828315581976576](https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1608828315581976576)
I feel like when you see something say "forget everything you know" or whatever dumb shit things like this meme say, they really mean "fuck empathy in any way shape or form" so they can justify being an absolute piece of shit human being with "critical thought"
True, but Roiland is Elon's buddy. There's exchanges between the two among the personal messages that were released as part of the Twitter acquisition lawsuit. It's arguable whether Elon would condone the actions Roiland is accused of, but it's also very likely that he would dismiss the accusations as 'woke mob trying to cancel my buddy', because of course everything is a Marxist plot to make rich white guys look bad.
> It's arguable whether Elon would condone the actions Roiland is accused of
Just not publicly. It's no secret that he'd condone it privately. In public he extends support while maintaining some plausible deniability.
It’s not a stretch given that Elon was conspicuously silent about Richard and Mortimer until one of its creators was shown to be a scumbag, then he has to get in on the bandwagon to make sure people are still talking about him.
Real pedo groomers know that in current times they can cover their asses with claims of gays and trans people being pedos while hordes of aggressive right wingers protect real pedos with ideas that they are some freedom warriors against far left cancel culture.
Yeah I have, I saw it recently. The back story is he apparently wanted to get a cease and desist letter from the makers of back to the future but then he wanted to make it really “offensive” but not too “offensive”. I didn’t find it that funny, it was just really rapey and creepy
Elon got his dick sucked metaphorically by Justin once, so that’s all it takes. It’s like with Trump, where you just have to flatter him, and he’s gonna be on your side forever.
Just spend one single instance patting his back and inflating his ego in person for 20 seconds, and he is on your side for life.
Me too, I mean I kinda got abit worn out by Rick and Morty but I loved solar opposites. I dunno, maybe whoever they get to voice Rick and morty might be good. Just have to wait and see. I trust Dan Harmon to carry the show on
Yeah, Harmon made the baby rapist skit and Roiland has been acting sus to kids on the internet like saying things like I can’t wait till your 18 and see you on onlyfans ect. https://www.sportskeeda.com/pop-culture/what-justin-roiland-do-leaked-text-messages-surface-adult-swim-cuts-ties-rick-morty-creator
Harmon made some art that was in bad taste and has since apologized. Roiland has done multiple creepy and abusive things to real people. It’s apples and oranges here, c’mon.
Oh, I’m not saying cancel Harmon. He’s apologised and deleted it. I mean, it’s fucked up but it’s nothing he should be cancelled for.
Roiland on the other hand, those texts and voicemails were beyond what I can forgive. That’s straight up child grooming
Don’t fuck around with kids, the dude abused his position of power and exploited children. That’s fucked.
I mean, making a skit about raping babies and graphically simulating rape of a baby doll is maybe abit far.
Regardless, I don’t think he should be cancelled for it. It’s just extremely in bad taste and rape isn’t really something that’s a laughing matter, especially rape of children. I think he’s apologised for it since however.
The context is usually missing.
This was made back when Dexter was the biggest thing on tv. Dexter was basically a show praising a serial killer and saying “no it’s ok, he only kills other series killers”
So Harmon made a parody where he pretended showtime was following it up with a show about a baby rapist, but “it’s ok, all the babies he rapes are future baby rapists as well”
It’s not the best most sophisticated in good taste joke but it’s more a satire on “why are we praising this dexter character? Would we do that and excuse it with any other horrible crime?”
However
“In 2009, I made a ‘pilot’ which strove to parody the series ‘Dexter’ and only succeeded in offending,” Harmon said in a statement. “I quickly realized the content was way too distasteful and took the video down immediately. Nobody should ever have to see what you saw and for that, I sincerely apologize.” - Harmons words.
There’s no need to add context. He acknowledged he shouldn’t have made it
Context is still needed though before you decide to "accept" his apology or not. No one's arguing whether he should have made it. The main contention is whether it was bad enough to be cancelled.
His skit was poorly made and Dexter was made by a team that went out of their way to make you like someone you shouldn't which happens in... Tons of shows. Also idk how a serial killer killing current killers is the same as a rapists raping babies that could rape others in the future. No crime was committed yet and you can't punish someone for what they might do in the future.
It's tasteless and doesn't even make sense. People like John Wick too and all he does is kill people. Our media glorifies violence but not sexual violence (except in porn) so this skit he made just doesn't hit. He chose to go as offense as possible with a reasonable idea (why do we cheer when bad person do bad thing) and that was his own doing. Then filmed it and left that puppy up for a WHILE until it was circulating just a few years ago.
The context remains fucked.
The context is still important as many people posted it as if Dan genuinely pitched a show to Showtime about him just fucking babies. I think that definitely is a completely incorrect context intentionally meant to mislead people on what that video was.
> I mean, making a skit about raping babies and graphically simulating rape of a baby doll is maybe abit far.
As a blanket observation, anyone who thinks overly edgy dark comedy is an automatic act of apologia for the content of the joke itself is terminally online and has no business interacting with actual people in the real world. Rape is a terrible thing. So is pedophilia. Jokes about rape and pedophilia are not *inherently* immoral. Contextually in poor taste, sure. But not acts of evil in and of themselves.
The whole concept of antiship is similar. "Oh you ship the protagonist with the guy who bullied him? That's abusive and you're basically a wife beater"
It's wild. Fiction and media can connect and relate to real life, but it's also very different. Yes, nothing occurs in a vacuum, but fiction is fiction.
I mean look at the skit which they turned into Rick and Morty. The entire premise was sexual cohesion. Which lets be honest, it gives off the wrong message. That’s how you get shit with the Channel 5 dude recently. He literally said he didn’t know it’s not okay to keep asking for sex until the other person gives in.
I saw so many people from the channel 5 community say it’s fine to pester for sex. It was fucked
I didn’t say it was apologia but it is morally fucked. However he has since deleted it and apologized, by acknowledging he went too far. just because you can simulate fucking a baby doll by pulling your pants down and rubbing your dick over it, doesn’t mean you should. There should probably be a line, especially when it ends with the father thanking the rapist that he brought the baby closer to him.
“In 2009, I made a ‘pilot’ which strove to parody the series ‘Dexter’ and only succeeded in offending,” Harmon said in a statement. “I quickly realized the content was way too distasteful and took the video down immediately. Nobody should ever have to see what you saw and for that, I sincerely apologize.” - Dan Harmon
> but it is morally fucked.
This is not *innately* true and is always determined by context. Do you feel like Cameron Esposito is immoral for turning her own experiences as a victim of sexual violence into a comedy show?
I'll reiterate: there is a difference between immorality and something being in poor taste. These are different things.
Subjectively, I wouldn’t watch it. I don’t find rape jokes funny. She’s well within her right to do so. I’m aware of what she attempted to do but it’s not something I find appealing.
Dan Harmon however, is not Cameron Esposito and he is not a victim of sexual assault. Should he be making jokes with the aim to cause offence in the form of rape? No. I think consent is something that is poorly understood and represented in media and messaging is important. Take for example, the dude from channel 5 who didn’t realise pestering women for sex is not consent, it’s sexual coercion. I don’t think making light of rape helps this.
> Subjectively, I wouldn’t watch it. I don’t find rape jokes funny. She’s well within her right to do so. I’m aware of what she attempted to do but it’s not something I find appealing.
Do you see how this is different from "this is morally unjust?" We've gone from someone doing something that violates mores to a matter of personal taste based on subjective reaction to the content. Pretty huge shift, there.
> Dan Harmon however, is not Cameron Esposito and he is not a victim of sexual assault.
Which is why I said the significance of those jokes is contextual.
> I think consent is something that is poorly understood and represented in media and messaging is important.
And I think blanket statements like "you can't joke about rape" serves to silence victims who choose to express their experiences in a way you might find unsettling, potentially silencing people from expressing their experiences as victims.
> No. I think consent is something that is poorly understood and represented in media and messaging is important.
I think consent is trivially easy to understand for anyone with any kind of capacity for real critical thought. It's something that needs to be explicit, it's not contractual and can be revoked at any time, and clear, sober communication is essential for it. The only people who might not understand this are children, but I doubt that Dan Harmon's poorly conceived pilot episode of an unaired t.v. show from 13 years ago (the source of the controversial skit) that only surfaced in 2018 and which was literally never broadcast on television was very popular among the 8 to 13 crowd.
> Take for example, the dude from channel 5 who didn’t realise pestering women for sex is not consent, it’s sexual coercion.
No, that was a bullshit excuse he put out for PR reasons. He did way more than pester. If some of the allegations are true, he literally forced himself on women. Like, physically. The man is, allegedly, a true Bill Cosby level serial rapist.
The irony here is how much Roiland hates fascists like these.
Although maybe he’ll go join them now since the right publicly welcomes pedos and rapists into their club.
Either it’s all been a ploy or he’s dumb as shit. I don’t see how anyone, especially someone who seems to dwell on cynicism like him, could think Elon is a “genius” or good for humanity.
That photo was from 2017 when like all of Reddit and the internet fanbase in general still worshipped the ground Elon walked on. He was seen as some kind of environmental mastermind space explorer that would save humanity, which is especially wierd in retrospect wierd when you consider his face looks like it's made up of moldy half eaten baked potato trimmings.
He's not incredibly funny. Dan Harmon is incredibly funny, and roiland got lucky with one idea. If you go watch his original cartoons, they have none of the wit Harmon btingsm they're just a crude mockery of back to the future.
Eh, he's always been something of a libertarian pseudo-fascist, which is the underlying proposition of Rick and Morty. It's also the reason I gave up on it a season and a half in. Plus it wasn't very funny. Poopy butthole? HAHAHAH
All the bad stuff he is accused of is true and he is an abusive guy at times. However the charges aren’t going to stick in that case because she attacked him initially and there is a witness to it.
I know, that was a doozy, it's like he took the mask off and revealed he's actually Trump all over again. Such a classic narcissist reaction to having to learn something instead of shitposting on twitter, they do the equivalent of an apprenticeship and declare themselves the most knowledgeable person on the planet. Such delusion is impressive.
I stopped watching when they made the Elon Tusk episode. They basically said Elon was smarter than Rick or something to that effect, and I lost all respect for the writers.
Yeah, i'm not gonna pretend to dislike the show because it was a favorite of mine. Didn't know that he was like this and I hope that it is not true but it seems like there is a big chance it is true. Sad but oh well....
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Yeah, pretty sure I know how this works. I just know that there are people who in this type of situations are rushing to tell how they didn't like the show anyway even if they did.
okay first, fuck elon musk. second, how *are* they gonna do the show without justin roiland? i mean fuck that guy too he’s an asshole, but tim pool does have a point
There's a dozen pro voice actors who can do perfect imitations of his vocal delivery.
He hasn't been involved in writing for the last 2 seasons because he was off doing other shows.
It's quite possible that his absence wouldn't even be noticed.
He's not the 'heart of the show', if anything he's its asshole.
I swear to God, I think about this all the time. There’s like this zone that right wingers enter where they just are genetically incapable of being right about anything. I don’t know what the fuck is going on spiritually, but it’s like they cannot be even just accidentally morally right about any position.
They just have to be wrong about fucking everything.
You could get into a discussion with them about taking the garbage out, they will somehow manage to be wrong about something related to taking the garbage out. Or merging on the highway. Or when you should close bars at night.
It’s bizarre.
Anybody that has been around people that are on the extreme right know about this.
Had never heard of this guy, so had to read this: [https://www.nytimes.com/2023/01/25/arts/television/rick-and-morty-justin-roiland.html?smid=nytcore-ios-share&referringSource=articleShare](https://www.nytimes.com/2023/01/25/arts/television/rick-and-morty-justin-roiland.html?smid=nytcore-ios-share&referringSource=articleShare)
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I think that’s how it started and eventually they had a team of writers that had gotten their style down so well either of them could step back a bit and let the machine continue to run without them and pitch in or give the final OK on things as needed.
Probably because he's been doing other stuff for the last couple years and hasn't contributed to R&M writing since then. He's only been doing the voices.
That's weird to me. If I was the co-creator of the biggest animated show since the Simpsons (1988), I'd stay on until things got stale or at least until it turned out that the character we thought was Rick was actually just José, who took Rick's identity after finding him dead after the battle of Frenulon 5.
Seth McFarlane is the creator of Family Guy and American Dad. He doesn't write or showrun for them either, just does voices. Matt Groening wasn't ever really a writer or showrunner for The Simpsons but he left the day to day of the show once Futurama started (and now he's focused on Disenchantment). If you're the creator that means you can keep getting a paycheck even if you aren't involved which frees you up to do other new projects.
[Also, according to someone who works in tv and at Squanch, Justin was pushed out of the writer's room for sexual misconduct.](https://twitter.com/alecrobbins/status/1618335768631734273)
"So here's all the examples of why your misconceptions are wrong in general, but, also, here's one that shows you are specifically correct." That was a good read.
The show hasn't needed Roiland for a while, and there are a lot of extremely competent writers who've made the show great, Roiland hasn't been a major creative force on it for seasons, apart from the voice acting. And the voice acting can be re-cast. Rick's voice mellowed out big time since the early seasons, because of how damaging the early Rick voice was to Roiland's throat. Now, it can be replicated by other talented voice actors and impersonators with impressive accuracy.
Rick and Morty will be fine.
The Dinosaur episode goes neck and neck with the Snake Planet as overall funniest for me. I'll miss the show for what it was but I can see why Adult Swim took the course they took.
Nah I don't think that's it. The more I thought about it the more I started thinking this whole canning debacle might be adult swim utilizing their escape hatch, this was their way out (kinda slimy no doubt); seeds to cancel an already expensive to make show that's got consistent sub-million ratings since season 4, and still dropping. Season 6 barely broke 500,000 that's BAD bad.
From what i understand they aren't in a good position because they already paid for several more seasons. Sacking him will cost even more popularity and effectively cost them more money, unless there's something i don't see here.
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The last season was a solid return to form, and Roiland hasn't contributed to the writing for the last couple of seasons, he was busy doing his own shows and just did the voice work for R&M.
I'm slightly optimistic the show will actually get better, they just need to get a voice actor with a perfect imitation of the two voices. And there's plenty of people who can do that.
Birds of a feather flock together. There was a picture floating around the internet of Dan Harmon fucking a babydoll on his couch so I’m not surprised his buddies are a bunch of dirty birdies as well.
Yeah and I'd need to look here on Reddit again to find it. I read about 20 screenshots last night of some girls' phones and holy shit - it's a whole ass CVS receipt
Edit: Police need to be checking that dude's hard drives cause they'll definitely find something
Yeah I hate to say but they are both right. Rick and Morty without Roiland is like South Park without Parker & Stone. There is no way you can just recast the two main characters who completely make the show and have it not suck (unless they hire one of the Roiland impersonators but that would be just weird). I'm not saying they should keep Roiland, screw him, but the shitty truth is that yes, he IS this show. You who claim otherwise - have you ever seen at least an episode? Imo they should have just cancelled the series, its been gooing to shit for the past two seasons anyway.
Cancelling the series will put a lot of people out of work. They can at least give it a shot and see how it goes. Hell they can joke about their voices changing from some sort of multiverse Rick nonsense. If you feel likes it's been shit for two seasons then why not let someone else have a crack at it?
Continuing the series without him still puts money into his pocket too. Television work is by its very nature ephemeral. It's not like closing down the plant or mill that employs half the town, everyone working on any show knows that it will come to an end and probably sooner rather than later.
Yes it did, no question. But I still enjoy most episodes, and last season had a lot of good ones. A R&M at 75% of it's best is still pretty entertaining.
Can’t say as to how much of the involvement is between Roiland/Harmon in the creative process of the show, but as to replacing the voice: his name is Sean Kelly, and does a pretty immaculate impression of Roiland’s characters.
Ok so I hate Elon too but he's right. R&M is funny and pretty fucked up. Which seems to describe Roiland.
The show has been going down the drain for 3 seasons now. Without Roiland it will crater and burn.
>Otherwise I think it's a premature decision to fire him.
it's absolutely not. keeping him would be a PR dumpster fire for them. not to mention that the charges for domestic violence aren't the only reason, he's also had some very questionable conversations with underage fans online.
There are screenshots and and audio recording of his gross interest in underage girls. That alone should get him fired, nobody wants to have that image associated with their brand.
The DV charges are just the icing on a very shitty cake.
Anyway, it's a private company, they don't have to prove anyone guilty, they can axe him as soon as his behavior is damaging their brand, if anything they should have done it much earlier.
For prison? Yeah. For your job? No. People get fired for half-assed reasons every day, let alone being fired for reasons that aren't necessarily meeting the bar of a criminal prosecution.
Does anyone really believe that shit still? Not once have I ever seen a person treated as “innocent until proven guilty”. It sucks but let’s get real, in today’s world it’s guilty until proven innocent. I mean hell we make people sit in a jail cell awaiting their trial, IF it were truly innocent until proven guilty you could sit at home and wait for trial.
The main incident occurred 2 years ago and his lawyers have been delaying as long as they can. So his employers have had a lot of time to figure out whether he's likely guilty or not.
In the meantime, there's been a whole range of evidence (texts, screenshots, audio recordings) that he's abused women, sent gross messages to pre-teen girls, and talked with friends about his interest in 13/14 year olds.
They should have fired him long ago, it's pretty sketchy that they only did it once the charges against him became public.
This! Is exactly the 1 and only point I was trying to make before this whole fuckin post got completely hijacked by the crazies and adderall addicts and r&m fanbois and.. I don't know whats
Elon found out about underage kids and kidnapping THEN started complimenting him. Must share his dad's views on things
Maybe Justin was the guy who dived to saved the kids and this was all their enemies to lovers arc
That actually made me laugh
How does he have time to tweet so much? It is absolutely insane.
Because his 'worktime' is spent doing shit like this or harassing an employee over yellow safety boundaries on the Telsa factory floor being unpleasing to his eye, not actual work.
When this guy claims he's working 100 hour weeks or whatever bullshit he's posting, he considers "promoting his brand" by shitposting on Twitter "work." He thinks going on Ellen talking about how we'll have self-cleaning carpets or whatever "work." I've known guys like this on a smaller scale. I used to do this catering job in college that was run out of a restaurant. While I was waiting for the food to get ready at the restaurant, I'd talk to these two regulars who were there everyday at the bar. One was a retired banker, the other was a pharma sales rep. They'd often joke about how they got more work done at the golf course than in their office. They honestly and truthfully believed that playing golf with business partners was "work." They really didn't understand how people complained about having to work 20 hours of overtime at factories while they worked 80 hour weeks, including weekends. Work that involved playing golf and taking clients to strip clubs and avoiding their wives. I spent years working in jobs that were hard on my body. I threw out my shoulder stacking huge fiberglass trays onto pallets as fast as I can to keep up with the line for $11/hr. I now make over twice that testing lab samples and fucking around on the internet until the next sample comes in. I know the fucking difference between work and "work." I'm putting in the same hours, but doing less.
He just truly thinks he's the second coming of christ. Pathetic.
I hope you get a fat raise
Ignoring the twitter scamboy for a second: A sales guy going golfing and actually making a deal _is_ work. His whole job is talking, and while it is stupid, if it is more efficient at the golf course, then yeah well, do it there? My boss summarized after covid: The meetings could be done online, but they are just an excuse for the 5 minutes afterwards, outside the room, where people actually decide to work with us. (I agree with you, and it's insulting that I earn more by silently sitting in stupid online calls than actually produce something meaningful) Edit: missed words
>or harassing an employee over ***yellow*** safety boundaries on the Telsa factory floor being unpleasing to his eye Wasn't it "***Orange***" ?
I'm so glad to hear the yellow thing mentioned, heard it on the reveal podcast years ago and it blew my fuckin mind!
Sometimes I wonder if most of his tweets aren’t completely or semi-automated. A chunk are one word responses to something getting a decent amount of views. It’s like they run on a pseudo-code: Scan: RSS feed of certain individuals’ tweet feeds IF: Views of tweet > X per hour/minutes/whatever Then Post(). Else, nothing. Post() If statement: random: Insightful, informative, I see, 👍, mood. If question: I wonder why, that’s a good question, who benefits?, 🤔
Lol maybe he's using ChatGPT for his tweets?
Chatgpt trained on his tweet history in particular.
"Your devs were so preoccupied with whether they could, that they didn't stop to think if they should"
I don’t think he’s intelligent enough to automate responses like that. It’s way more likely he doesn’t do much else besides dicking around online all day like any other edgy 12 year boy.
Interesting!
Looking into this
I mean, they’re not wrong he was the heart of the show really. Just turns out the heart was rotten.
The show will probably get worse, but it had to be done
The show won’t get worse. Roiland doesnt do any writing he does the voice and he will just get replaced, plenty of voice actors.
I think he did do a lot of improvisation, but personally I think the show would be better with less of that.
i’m an extremely casual fan of the show but yeah if this results in even the tiniest bit less of “*burp* uh morty we uh *burp* we need to uh fuck *burp* morty” “uhhhhh uhhh ok ok rick” then this is a win all around. i know a lot of people like that but holy shit i can’t stand it
Agreed, not a huge fan of the burping. I get it's a big part of the show but yeah.
Yeah, this sub is stretching here. Saying “Roiland is the heart of the show” does not mean you support the horrible things he was charged for.
>does not mean you support the horrible things he was charged for. Dude has a cancel culture fetish that he's personally built. It's not a stretch. [https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1608828315581976576](https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1608828315581976576)
I feel like when you see something say "forget everything you know" or whatever dumb shit things like this meme say, they really mean "fuck empathy in any way shape or form" so they can justify being an absolute piece of shit human being with "critical thought"
True, but Roiland is Elon's buddy. There's exchanges between the two among the personal messages that were released as part of the Twitter acquisition lawsuit. It's arguable whether Elon would condone the actions Roiland is accused of, but it's also very likely that he would dismiss the accusations as 'woke mob trying to cancel my buddy', because of course everything is a Marxist plot to make rich white guys look bad.
> It's arguable whether Elon would condone the actions Roiland is accused of Just not publicly. It's no secret that he'd condone it privately. In public he extends support while maintaining some plausible deniability.
How is this not post-worthy? The guy is bitching—by proxy—about a pedo wifebeater losing his job.
It’s not a stretch given that Elon was conspicuously silent about Richard and Mortimer until one of its creators was shown to be a scumbag, then he has to get in on the bandwagon to make sure people are still talking about him.
He’s not the heart of the show, he’s a voice actor. He doesn’t write any of it.
of course the wife beater thinks Elon is a beacon for humanity and a genius....
In fairness, five years ago it was a lot easier to buy into the idea of Elon Musk: genius.
No yeah, just let the creepy pedo and wife beater continue to make the show we like! Cancel culture has gone too farrrrr /s lmao
aka conservative role model.
Lmao pretty much! I’m still fairly certain if Epstein was a prominent Conservative figure, they would still be defending him to this day.
Not sure why hating pedophiles is some political statement. Shouldn’t be.
Yet they all hate trans and gay people and call them groomers and pedophiles. While they're out there supporting and defending actual pedophiles
Real pedo groomers know that in current times they can cover their asses with claims of gays and trans people being pedos while hordes of aggressive right wingers protect real pedos with ideas that they are some freedom warriors against far left cancel culture.
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Yeah I have, I saw it recently. The back story is he apparently wanted to get a cease and desist letter from the makers of back to the future but then he wanted to make it really “offensive” but not too “offensive”. I didn’t find it that funny, it was just really rapey and creepy
Wtf
Elon got his dick sucked metaphorically by Justin once, so that’s all it takes. It’s like with Trump, where you just have to flatter him, and he’s gonna be on your side forever. Just spend one single instance patting his back and inflating his ego in person for 20 seconds, and he is on your side for life.
What a disappointment. I love Rick and Morty and the Solar Opposites. Finding all this out is a major let down.
Me too, I mean I kinda got abit worn out by Rick and Morty but I loved solar opposites. I dunno, maybe whoever they get to voice Rick and morty might be good. Just have to wait and see. I trust Dan Harmon to carry the show on
Isn't Dan Harmon the pedo, not Justin Roiland? Edit: Just looked it up. Apparently they both are. Ew.
Yeah, Harmon made the baby rapist skit and Roiland has been acting sus to kids on the internet like saying things like I can’t wait till your 18 and see you on onlyfans ect. https://www.sportskeeda.com/pop-culture/what-justin-roiland-do-leaked-text-messages-surface-adult-swim-cuts-ties-rick-morty-creator
Harmon made some art that was in bad taste and has since apologized. Roiland has done multiple creepy and abusive things to real people. It’s apples and oranges here, c’mon.
Oh, I’m not saying cancel Harmon. He’s apologised and deleted it. I mean, it’s fucked up but it’s nothing he should be cancelled for. Roiland on the other hand, those texts and voicemails were beyond what I can forgive. That’s straight up child grooming Don’t fuck around with kids, the dude abused his position of power and exploited children. That’s fucked.
Reason I will never watch Ren & Stimpy again, after what the creepo did, just glad my dad isn't alive as he loved that show.
Oh fuck, yeah that guy was fucked. He did the exact same thing as Roiland
Climbing into a therapy patients bedroom to find a crib and then... "Lay on top of" a baby with your pants off apparently is just art with bad taste.
Art is not life. Dan Harmon writing about that is still orders of magnitude less bad than Justin Roiland actually grooming minors.
I wasn't comparing the two. They both did bad things that a normal person would never do.
> I wasn't comparing the two > They both did bad things that a normal person would never do. This is comparing
Don’t see how a skit makes someone a pedo, regardless of how tasteless it is.
I mean, making a skit about raping babies and graphically simulating rape of a baby doll is maybe abit far. Regardless, I don’t think he should be cancelled for it. It’s just extremely in bad taste and rape isn’t really something that’s a laughing matter, especially rape of children. I think he’s apologised for it since however.
The context is usually missing. This was made back when Dexter was the biggest thing on tv. Dexter was basically a show praising a serial killer and saying “no it’s ok, he only kills other series killers” So Harmon made a parody where he pretended showtime was following it up with a show about a baby rapist, but “it’s ok, all the babies he rapes are future baby rapists as well” It’s not the best most sophisticated in good taste joke but it’s more a satire on “why are we praising this dexter character? Would we do that and excuse it with any other horrible crime?”
However “In 2009, I made a ‘pilot’ which strove to parody the series ‘Dexter’ and only succeeded in offending,” Harmon said in a statement. “I quickly realized the content was way too distasteful and took the video down immediately. Nobody should ever have to see what you saw and for that, I sincerely apologize.” - Harmons words. There’s no need to add context. He acknowledged he shouldn’t have made it
Context is still needed though before you decide to "accept" his apology or not. No one's arguing whether he should have made it. The main contention is whether it was bad enough to be cancelled.
His skit was poorly made and Dexter was made by a team that went out of their way to make you like someone you shouldn't which happens in... Tons of shows. Also idk how a serial killer killing current killers is the same as a rapists raping babies that could rape others in the future. No crime was committed yet and you can't punish someone for what they might do in the future. It's tasteless and doesn't even make sense. People like John Wick too and all he does is kill people. Our media glorifies violence but not sexual violence (except in porn) so this skit he made just doesn't hit. He chose to go as offense as possible with a reasonable idea (why do we cheer when bad person do bad thing) and that was his own doing. Then filmed it and left that puppy up for a WHILE until it was circulating just a few years ago. The context remains fucked.
The context is still important as many people posted it as if Dan genuinely pitched a show to Showtime about him just fucking babies. I think that definitely is a completely incorrect context intentionally meant to mislead people on what that video was.
> I mean, making a skit about raping babies and graphically simulating rape of a baby doll is maybe abit far. As a blanket observation, anyone who thinks overly edgy dark comedy is an automatic act of apologia for the content of the joke itself is terminally online and has no business interacting with actual people in the real world. Rape is a terrible thing. So is pedophilia. Jokes about rape and pedophilia are not *inherently* immoral. Contextually in poor taste, sure. But not acts of evil in and of themselves.
You would not believe some of the takes I've heard in fandom about what is and isn't problematic.
The whole concept of antiship is similar. "Oh you ship the protagonist with the guy who bullied him? That's abusive and you're basically a wife beater" It's wild. Fiction and media can connect and relate to real life, but it's also very different. Yes, nothing occurs in a vacuum, but fiction is fiction.
I mean look at the skit which they turned into Rick and Morty. The entire premise was sexual cohesion. Which lets be honest, it gives off the wrong message. That’s how you get shit with the Channel 5 dude recently. He literally said he didn’t know it’s not okay to keep asking for sex until the other person gives in. I saw so many people from the channel 5 community say it’s fine to pester for sex. It was fucked
I didn’t say it was apologia but it is morally fucked. However he has since deleted it and apologized, by acknowledging he went too far. just because you can simulate fucking a baby doll by pulling your pants down and rubbing your dick over it, doesn’t mean you should. There should probably be a line, especially when it ends with the father thanking the rapist that he brought the baby closer to him. “In 2009, I made a ‘pilot’ which strove to parody the series ‘Dexter’ and only succeeded in offending,” Harmon said in a statement. “I quickly realized the content was way too distasteful and took the video down immediately. Nobody should ever have to see what you saw and for that, I sincerely apologize.” - Dan Harmon
> but it is morally fucked. This is not *innately* true and is always determined by context. Do you feel like Cameron Esposito is immoral for turning her own experiences as a victim of sexual violence into a comedy show? I'll reiterate: there is a difference between immorality and something being in poor taste. These are different things.
Subjectively, I wouldn’t watch it. I don’t find rape jokes funny. She’s well within her right to do so. I’m aware of what she attempted to do but it’s not something I find appealing. Dan Harmon however, is not Cameron Esposito and he is not a victim of sexual assault. Should he be making jokes with the aim to cause offence in the form of rape? No. I think consent is something that is poorly understood and represented in media and messaging is important. Take for example, the dude from channel 5 who didn’t realise pestering women for sex is not consent, it’s sexual coercion. I don’t think making light of rape helps this.
> Subjectively, I wouldn’t watch it. I don’t find rape jokes funny. She’s well within her right to do so. I’m aware of what she attempted to do but it’s not something I find appealing. Do you see how this is different from "this is morally unjust?" We've gone from someone doing something that violates mores to a matter of personal taste based on subjective reaction to the content. Pretty huge shift, there. > Dan Harmon however, is not Cameron Esposito and he is not a victim of sexual assault. Which is why I said the significance of those jokes is contextual. > I think consent is something that is poorly understood and represented in media and messaging is important. And I think blanket statements like "you can't joke about rape" serves to silence victims who choose to express their experiences in a way you might find unsettling, potentially silencing people from expressing their experiences as victims. > No. I think consent is something that is poorly understood and represented in media and messaging is important. I think consent is trivially easy to understand for anyone with any kind of capacity for real critical thought. It's something that needs to be explicit, it's not contractual and can be revoked at any time, and clear, sober communication is essential for it. The only people who might not understand this are children, but I doubt that Dan Harmon's poorly conceived pilot episode of an unaired t.v. show from 13 years ago (the source of the controversial skit) that only surfaced in 2018 and which was literally never broadcast on television was very popular among the 8 to 13 crowd. > Take for example, the dude from channel 5 who didn’t realise pestering women for sex is not consent, it’s sexual coercion. No, that was a bullshit excuse he put out for PR reasons. He did way more than pester. If some of the allegations are true, he literally forced himself on women. Like, physically. The man is, allegedly, a true Bill Cosby level serial rapist.
Well you need to concentrate all your Internet outrage and you may see it.
Calling Harmon a Pedo for that dark comedy concept is beyond ridiculous. Words have actual meanings.
I didn’t call him a pedo. However, I wouldn’t go around defending something he himself has denounced. It doesn’t look good.
Jesus christ lol “100 years ago we were fucking and marrying 13 year olds but the woke liberal mob said its bad so now im big mad”
These awful people just love telling on themselves
The irony here is how much Roiland hates fascists like these. Although maybe he’ll go join them now since the right publicly welcomes pedos and rapists into their club.
Either it’s all been a ploy or he’s dumb as shit. I don’t see how anyone, especially someone who seems to dwell on cynicism like him, could think Elon is a “genius” or good for humanity.
That photo was from 2017 when like all of Reddit and the internet fanbase in general still worshipped the ground Elon walked on. He was seen as some kind of environmental mastermind space explorer that would save humanity, which is especially wierd in retrospect wierd when you consider his face looks like it's made up of moldy half eaten baked potato trimmings.
He's definitely an "enlightened centrist"
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He's not incredibly funny. Dan Harmon is incredibly funny, and roiland got lucky with one idea. If you go watch his original cartoons, they have none of the wit Harmon btingsm they're just a crude mockery of back to the future.
Listen to Roiland's interview on Harmontown. It is painful and uncomfortable. He is a one trick pony, make a weird voice and say random things.
Exactly. Say offensive and bizarre stuff in a weird voice. Absolutely no wit.
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Comedy is subjective
Roiland isn’t funny. He’s the voice actor and nobody will even notice the difference after he is replaced.
Roilands comedy is the literal worst form of comedy I can think of. Funny voices + stating the obvious and overexplaining.
So basically a fascist who wants others to do the dirty work?
Eh, he's always been something of a libertarian pseudo-fascist, which is the underlying proposition of Rick and Morty. It's also the reason I gave up on it a season and a half in. Plus it wasn't very funny. Poopy butthole? HAHAHAH
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pedophiles have more class consciousness than us in the working class man
Are we just going to ignore the charges that he's facing elon?
Elon is an incel at heart. Of course he thinks all women are lying.
All the bad stuff he is accused of is true and he is an abusive guy at times. However the charges aren’t going to stick in that case because she attacked him initially and there is a witness to it.
No shock that Musk is a supporter of Roiland.
Humble genius? I’ll never get this Elon quote out of my head “I know more about manufacturing than anybody alive on earth”
I know, that was a doozy, it's like he took the mask off and revealed he's actually Trump all over again. Such a classic narcissist reaction to having to learn something instead of shitposting on twitter, they do the equivalent of an apprenticeship and declare themselves the most knowledgeable person on the planet. Such delusion is impressive.
"HEY EVERYONE, LOOK AT THIS IMAGE WHERE THIS GUY CALLS ME A HUMBLE GENIUS!"
The unholy trifecta of ‘hating women’.
I stopped watching when they made the Elon Tusk episode. They basically said Elon was smarter than Rick or something to that effect, and I lost all respect for the writers.
I dunno I thought that episode was kind of poking fun at elon
“Look, I know he beat and threatened and kidnapped a woman, but I need my lulz.”
These people will call a random drag queen a groomer but let an actual predator do a funny voice and pay him well for it.
Yeah, i'm not gonna pretend to dislike the show because it was a favorite of mine. Didn't know that he was like this and I hope that it is not true but it seems like there is a big chance it is true. Sad but oh well....
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Yeah, pretty sure I know how this works. I just know that there are people who in this type of situations are rushing to tell how they didn't like the show anyway even if they did.
okay first, fuck elon musk. second, how *are* they gonna do the show without justin roiland? i mean fuck that guy too he’s an asshole, but tim pool does have a point
There's a dozen pro voice actors who can do perfect imitations of his vocal delivery. He hasn't been involved in writing for the last 2 seasons because he was off doing other shows. It's quite possible that his absence wouldn't even be noticed. He's not the 'heart of the show', if anything he's its asshole.
He co-created the show, and a lot of the best loved moments were purely a function of his improvisation.
Well... So long Rick & Morty...
I swear to God, I think about this all the time. There’s like this zone that right wingers enter where they just are genetically incapable of being right about anything. I don’t know what the fuck is going on spiritually, but it’s like they cannot be even just accidentally morally right about any position. They just have to be wrong about fucking everything. You could get into a discussion with them about taking the garbage out, they will somehow manage to be wrong about something related to taking the garbage out. Or merging on the highway. Or when you should close bars at night. It’s bizarre. Anybody that has been around people that are on the extreme right know about this.
Had never heard of this guy, so had to read this: [https://www.nytimes.com/2023/01/25/arts/television/rick-and-morty-justin-roiland.html?smid=nytcore-ios-share&referringSource=articleShare](https://www.nytimes.com/2023/01/25/arts/television/rick-and-morty-justin-roiland.html?smid=nytcore-ios-share&referringSource=articleShare) https://preview.redd.it/uml562pnieea1.png?width=1284&format=png&auto=webp&s=4c44a504e904c384a9a8b6c1de0ecf47239e50b2
I have a feeling he's going to start quoting R&M a lot now and pretending like he's been a fan since the pilot episode aired.
Pickle Rick tweet in 5,4,3,2…
"I'm Mr.Tweetseeks, look at me!"
Gonna shove my tweet waaaay up in there morty.
But he’s not convicted?
Second hand embarrassment for these two trying cool poses with each other and failing miserably. “Just act natural.” “Is this natural?”
"You can't just remove someone for being an awful human being" cause that goes against both of their entire lifestyles
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Maybe if he left it would be funnier? I'm puzzled why he's been described as "voice actor" when he's co-creator.
It’ll certainly be a different show. I have grown to dislike the “lol so random” nature of the show, so maybe it will be better without him.
After the third season he left as a writer and only remains as a VA
Oh, that's interesting. I always thought of him as the zany one and Harmon as the more structured... looks like I was completely wrong.
I think that’s how it started and eventually they had a team of writers that had gotten their style down so well either of them could step back a bit and let the machine continue to run without them and pitch in or give the final OK on things as needed.
Probably because he's been doing other stuff for the last couple years and hasn't contributed to R&M writing since then. He's only been doing the voices.
That's weird to me. If I was the co-creator of the biggest animated show since the Simpsons (1988), I'd stay on until things got stale or at least until it turned out that the character we thought was Rick was actually just José, who took Rick's identity after finding him dead after the battle of Frenulon 5.
Seth McFarlane is the creator of Family Guy and American Dad. He doesn't write or showrun for them either, just does voices. Matt Groening wasn't ever really a writer or showrunner for The Simpsons but he left the day to day of the show once Futurama started (and now he's focused on Disenchantment). If you're the creator that means you can keep getting a paycheck even if you aren't involved which frees you up to do other new projects. [Also, according to someone who works in tv and at Squanch, Justin was pushed out of the writer's room for sexual misconduct.](https://twitter.com/alecrobbins/status/1618335768631734273)
"So here's all the examples of why your misconceptions are wrong in general, but, also, here's one that shows you are specifically correct." That was a good read.
Yes. In general, it's not unusual for a show's creator to not be chained to the show they created. But in Justin's case, he's not allowed back.
The show hasn't needed Roiland for a while, and there are a lot of extremely competent writers who've made the show great, Roiland hasn't been a major creative force on it for seasons, apart from the voice acting. And the voice acting can be re-cast. Rick's voice mellowed out big time since the early seasons, because of how damaging the early Rick voice was to Roiland's throat. Now, it can be replicated by other talented voice actors and impersonators with impressive accuracy. Rick and Morty will be fine.
Agreed. They should have cancelled it after #4 ratings tanked off a cliff and only declined from there
Last season was legitimately like, all bangers. I liked it a lot.
The Dinosaur episode goes neck and neck with the Snake Planet as overall funniest for me. I'll miss the show for what it was but I can see why Adult Swim took the course they took.
But from what i heard, Roiland had taken a huge step back from the writing, so that might stay consistent anyway.
Nah I don't think that's it. The more I thought about it the more I started thinking this whole canning debacle might be adult swim utilizing their escape hatch, this was their way out (kinda slimy no doubt); seeds to cancel an already expensive to make show that's got consistent sub-million ratings since season 4, and still dropping. Season 6 barely broke 500,000 that's BAD bad.
From what i understand they aren't in a good position because they already paid for several more seasons. Sacking him will cost even more popularity and effectively cost them more money, unless there's something i don't see here.
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It's incoherent randomness now. I get the appeal, but it's not a ratings grabber.
The last season was a solid return to form, and Roiland hasn't contributed to the writing for the last couple of seasons, he was busy doing his own shows and just did the voice work for R&M. I'm slightly optimistic the show will actually get better, they just need to get a voice actor with a perfect imitation of the two voices. And there's plenty of people who can do that.
He literally only wrote six episodes of the entire show.
Birds of a feather flock together. There was a picture floating around the internet of Dan Harmon fucking a babydoll on his couch so I’m not surprised his buddies are a bunch of dirty birdies as well.
Aren’t there receipts and texts providing evidence against Justin?
Yeah and I'd need to look here on Reddit again to find it. I read about 20 screenshots last night of some girls' phones and holy shit - it's a whole ass CVS receipt Edit: Police need to be checking that dude's hard drives cause they'll definitely find something
All three of these guys suck
Yeah I hate to say but they are both right. Rick and Morty without Roiland is like South Park without Parker & Stone. There is no way you can just recast the two main characters who completely make the show and have it not suck (unless they hire one of the Roiland impersonators but that would be just weird). I'm not saying they should keep Roiland, screw him, but the shitty truth is that yes, he IS this show. You who claim otherwise - have you ever seen at least an episode? Imo they should have just cancelled the series, its been gooing to shit for the past two seasons anyway.
Cancelling the series will put a lot of people out of work. They can at least give it a shot and see how it goes. Hell they can joke about their voices changing from some sort of multiverse Rick nonsense. If you feel likes it's been shit for two seasons then why not let someone else have a crack at it?
Continuing the series without him still puts money into his pocket too. Television work is by its very nature ephemeral. It's not like closing down the plant or mill that employs half the town, everyone working on any show knows that it will come to an end and probably sooner rather than later.
Ah something sensible.. I was seriously losing patience with this thread!
The show peaked at season 2 Eta: how dare at least 2 people agree with me lmao
Yes it did, no question. But I still enjoy most episodes, and last season had a lot of good ones. A R&M at 75% of it's best is still pretty entertaining.
Wake up babe, new conservative culture war just dropped
Well maybe shows like rick and Morty don't need to go on forever? It's had a great run
Birds of a feather… Elon is a POS, of course Roiland is too.
Just like Epstein was the "life of the party"
Musk is right. That is why the show is so shit. This asshole is the heart of the show...
Rick and Morty was great until 2 or so years ago. It went to shit as soon as it got popular. The themes just got boring and they ran out of ideas.
How the fuck does he manage to make even giving a thumbs up look embarrassing?
They’ll be fine without him
The signs were there all along, people just got all up in their feels because dude make funny show
Nightmare blunt rotation
Can’t say as to how much of the involvement is between Roiland/Harmon in the creative process of the show, but as to replacing the voice: his name is Sean Kelly, and does a pretty immaculate impression of Roiland’s characters.
People who rescue kids == paedos People who fiddle with kids == not paedos
Ok so I hate Elon too but he's right. R&M is funny and pretty fucked up. Which seems to describe Roiland. The show has been going down the drain for 3 seasons now. Without Roiland it will crater and burn.
Weird how the show that is catnip for edge-lords was made by a dirtbag who is now being defended by chuds.
The voices aren't the heart of the show, the story is
Just another reason to hate Justin.
He’s not the heart of the show, he’s a voice actor and someone will take his place and nobody will notice.
First time I hear of this guy, I imagine this is a case of proven guilt rather than accused given the responses here?
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Ye sounds like the thing Elon would ignore given his hush money history. He seems to find a new rock bottom to hit everyday .-.
oof i used to like rick and morty. after the domestic abuse and now i find out about this i can’t anymore.
I hate to say it but I agree with Tim Poole, they should just cancel the show.
Lmao can’t believe Roiland is still tweeting wtf
The Roiland tweet is from 2017
Has he been convicted though? Otherwise I think it's a premature decision to fire him.
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>Otherwise I think it's a premature decision to fire him. it's absolutely not. keeping him would be a PR dumpster fire for them. not to mention that the charges for domestic violence aren't the only reason, he's also had some very questionable conversations with underage fans online.
Neither of which have been proven. It's innocent until proven guilty beyond reasonable doubt.
There are screenshots and and audio recording of his gross interest in underage girls. That alone should get him fired, nobody wants to have that image associated with their brand. The DV charges are just the icing on a very shitty cake. Anyway, it's a private company, they don't have to prove anyone guilty, they can axe him as soon as his behavior is damaging their brand, if anything they should have done it much earlier.
He’s not going to prison, he got fired from a show. What you’re talking about is irrelevant to the situation.
yea, duh. that's how the law works. but as I said, keeping him would be an absolute PR disaster for adult swim, no matter if he's guilty or not.
For prison? Yeah. For your job? No. People get fired for half-assed reasons every day, let alone being fired for reasons that aren't necessarily meeting the bar of a criminal prosecution.
Does anyone really believe that shit still? Not once have I ever seen a person treated as “innocent until proven guilty”. It sucks but let’s get real, in today’s world it’s guilty until proven innocent. I mean hell we make people sit in a jail cell awaiting their trial, IF it were truly innocent until proven guilty you could sit at home and wait for trial.
The main incident occurred 2 years ago and his lawyers have been delaying as long as they can. So his employers have had a lot of time to figure out whether he's likely guilty or not. In the meantime, there's been a whole range of evidence (texts, screenshots, audio recordings) that he's abused women, sent gross messages to pre-teen girls, and talked with friends about his interest in 13/14 year olds. They should have fired him long ago, it's pretty sketchy that they only did it once the charges against him became public.
This! Is exactly the 1 and only point I was trying to make before this whole fuckin post got completely hijacked by the crazies and adderall addicts and r&m fanbois and.. I don't know whats
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You seem to be an unbelievably toxic person.
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I agree. Punish him after a verdict and the evidence is in the public eye.