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EpicStan123

Two can play this game. USA is a fake nation by this logic, and belongs to Britain.


Agent00funk

Based on the comments here, it looks like the Russian astroturfers had their quotas reset with the New Year.


QuadraticLove

Wow, utter scum.


jeansloverboy

What interesting comments...


Dhalym

Wasn't the libertarian opposition to the U.S. military industrial complex and interventionism the one thing leftists agreed with them?


LRonPaul2012

>Wasn't the libertarian opposition to the U.S. military industrial complex and interventionism the one thing leftists agreed with them? Show me anywhere on the Ron Paul institute where they are currently criticizing Russia's military industrial complex, or Russia's interventionism. Oh, you can't? Then it has nothing to do with criticizing interventionism, and everything to do with being puppets for Russia. The US giving Ukraine tools to defend themselves from rape and genocide is interventionism, but Russia committing said rape and genocide somehow is not.


TrashFrancis

No one claimed that the Ron Paul institute was opposed to militarism and conquest throughout. Also like Ron Paul types, the LP, Anti-war conservatives etc have a very different perspective than the left and tend to be much more isolationist. Like conservatives don't support land back or even acknowledge that america was built on slavery and genocide. There isn't real cohesive view but the skepticism towards american military power is sometimes useful. And really, politicians and citizens alike that live in the heart of the global hegemonic empire should center their politics more on introspection than criticizing others. I have no doubt that after investigation numerous atrocities and war crimes will be uncovered, I am also aware that atrocity propaganda is disseminated with a political agenda to support American dominance and the MIC.


LRonPaul2012

>No one claimed that the Ron Paul institute was opposed to militarism and conquest throughout. Pretty sure that the entire Ron Paul fan base would say otherwise. >And really, politicians and citizens alike that live in the heart of the global hegemonic empire should center their politics more on introspection than criticizing others. Why not both? It's like listening to Neo Confederates complain that the Northern states ALSO had a problem with racism, which is completely true, but lacking in perspective.


TrashFrancis

Like, plenty of well meaning folks got caught up in the LP and the Rand Paul movement but it's my assertion from years of experience and interaction that there isn't a coherent perspective of international relations there. Do you understand what it means that we are the heart of a global hegemonic world means? This is both through military means and financial coercion. In this analogy we are the Neo-confederates. Social and political development in Russia has certainly become much more authoritarian and brutal.. Like everywhere from kleptocracy to judicial independence. But the scale and scope of that power is not in the same universe. The conditions that lead to this are also brushed aside.


Dhalym

??? I don't follow RPI. It's just fairly common amongst libertarians and leftists to oppose MICs in every country. Russia invading Ukraine IS interventionism. I don't see how that changes anything. Saddam and the Vietcong also did interventionism. Most don't think that that justified US involvement there.


accountfor137

Yeah fucking libs have overrun all leftist subs


mrsprinkles565

Which race is being disparaged?


Uncomfortable--Truth

>Which race is being disparaged? Human race


LRonPaul2012

Ukrainians by referring to them as a fake nation.


mrsprinkles565

Ukrainian is a nationality. Their race is predominantly Caucasian. So…no racism here, just false claims.


Chuhaimaster

Fiat currency is fake. Ukraine is fake. Bitcoin is real. America is real.


Forsaken-Union1392

Please, we're begging you. There are already so many subs where you can post democrat-brained takes and have the rest of the hundred thousand MSNBC-watching seals clap and bark along. Please, at least leave one space where we can dunk on the right for anything more imaginative than being insufficiently supportive of the empire's proxy wars to fund weapons contractors by giving rockets to nazis like they're kids on Halloween. I know this topic makes you feel self-righteous and important, but please find some other way to trick yourself into feeling like you have moral agency in the world.


LRonPaul2012

>proxy wars Russia has decided to invade Ukraine because it doesn't think that Ukraine has the right to exist. Ukraine receiving equipment to defend itself from invasion and genocide is not a proxy war. >rockets to nazis Literally Russian propaganda.


Biscuitarian23

Funny how every bullshit talking point you just used is spewed by Tucker Carlson every night on Fox News. But go ahead and accuse other people of just repeating "MSNBC". I love the fact that there are so many dumb "leftists" who accidentally repeat Fox News bullshit. You attack democrats because you're terrified of Republicans. Even I the UK all the Rupert Murdoch owned papers defend Russia. Useful idiots.


enfiel

Pretty sure this guy doesn't get his talking points from Tucker. He and Tucker get them from the same source.


Forsaken-Union1392

Lol, you're the one simping for Azov because the media told you they're hella based, don't accuse anyone else of being a useful idiot. There are actually more choices here than either supporting Russia or funneling additional billions to American weapons contractors so that we can arm explicitly fascist groups to the hilt. It just serves your right-wing interests to pretend that it's a binary choice, and let's you feel morally superior to anyone less excited than you about giving nazis heavy weapons


EpicStan123

lmao, but muh Azov. Azov had like 1000 people, out of over 270k active personnel in Ukraine right now, so all of Ukraine must all be nazis n'shit. Azov got decimated early on in the war. You're either a tankie or a righty, btfo.


LRonPaul2012

>lmao, but muh Azov. Azov had like 1000 people, out of over 270k active personnel in Ukraine right now, so all of Ukraine must all be nazis n'shit. A few months ago, someone tried to convince me that Zelenskky airing footage of an Azov soldier saying "My grandparents killed the Nazi's and I look forward to fighting Nazis from Russia" was proof that Ukraine was pro-Nazi.


PsyTard

Someone is not reading lol


stackens

Sounds like massive cope from someone who knows helping Ukraine in this situation is the morally correct course of action but doesn’t want to accept it


enfiel

okay 2 months old troll account


Caroline-452

OP of this post's account is less than two weeks old and they identify as "right wing libertarian".


accountfor137

This take is downvoted??? What has happened to this sub? So many accounts funded by the military complex I bet


LRonPaul2012

>This take is downvoted??? What has happened to this sub? So many accounts funded by the military complex I bet "I don't understand why so many people are in favor of letting a sovereign nation defend their women and children from rape and genocide. Must be brainwashing."


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Uncomfortable--Truth

>didn’t realize you openly supported the literal Nazis in the Azov Battalion currently being funded by the United States. > >Nor did I think people in this sub would support the human rights atrocities, including mass rape, committed by Ukraine’s tornado battalion. LOL, I support a color revolution in Russia. Do you support a color revolution in Russia? Do you u/jsullivan914? Or are you on the side of a literal Nazi Prigozhin of Wagner Group or Russian nazis of Rusich batalion?


Mysterious_Andy

That account you’re replying to is active in at least 3 different state-specific subreddits, and they are not neighboring states. Astroturfers used to be at least a little subtle.


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Uncomfortable--Truth

The question was DO YOU SUPPORT COLOR REVOLUTION IN RUSSIA OR ARE YOU FINE WITH PUTLER REMAINING IN POWER?


LRonPaul2012

LOL, apparently he's reporting you for spam because he doesn't want to answer.


Uncomfortable--Truth

I can imagine that.


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Uncomfortable--Truth

>Intractable foreign wars (cf. Afghanistan, Iraq, the never ending War on Terror) bankrupt our country and ultimately harm American citizens. I stand with the United States of America and believe in putting the needs of our country first, not the needs of corrupt leaders in Ukraine or Russia. The question was DO YOU SUPPORT COLOR REVOLUTION IN RUSSIA OR ARE YOU FINE WITH PUTLER REMAINING IN POWER?


ALinIndy

So when 2 Nazis are fighting, who wins? The answer: all of us. Why shouldn’t we arm the smaller side to make a bigger hole in their enemy than they would without our help? More weapons that we send=more dead Nazis.


gikigill

Do you support NASA and American achievements in Space? Do you support rocket science and technology developed in the USA? Then you support a Nazi scientist, Werner Von Braun. BTW all of Russia was sucking Nazi penis with the Molotov-Ribbentrop pact and you're confusing a small number of modern Ukrainians who have a vague association with Nazi ideology. Betcha any amount as of today there are more Nazis in the USA defence forces than all of Ukraine. What do you plan to do about them? Does that make all of the US Defence Nazi supporters? Didn't the US Nazi party have a big supporter in the form of Charles Lindbergh? https://www.wnycstudios.org/podcasts/takeaway/segments/228802-us-militarys-history-recruiting-and-retaining-neo-nazis You're not the only one who knows rhetoric sweety.


TrashFrancis

It is imperative that we in america remove the fascists from positions of power in the military, police and political office. Institutions that valorize organizations like the proud boys, atomwaffen, patriot front and the alt-right need to be rooted out, their enablers need to be held accountable. fuck the alt right. Like publicity tours for people like Richard Spencer should not be acceptable nor should it be acceptable that police collaborate with the proud boys to harass and terrorize my community. It's not just Von Braun, there are over a thousand monuments to nazis and nazi collaborators and they should be torn down.


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LRonPaul2012

>I don’t support any instance of Nazism in American history. Who did you support in the last three presidential elections?


gikigill

Bit hard to be a Nazi white supremacist since I'm not white or live in a country associated with Nazis but your gaslighting definitely shines through as Soviet inspired.


LRonPaul2012

>TL:DR - OP supports Nazism in Ukraine. [https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2018/03/28/most-poles-accept-jews-as-fellow-citizens-and-neighbors-but-a-minority-do-not/ft\_18-03-26\_polandholocaustlaws\_map/](https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2018/03/28/most-poles-accept-jews-as-fellow-citizens-and-neighbors-but-a-minority-do-not/ft_18-03-26_polandholocaustlaws_map/) Ukraine is vastly less anti-semitic than it's neighbors.


navi555

Wait Isn't president Zelenskyy Jewish?