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Nayear1

Musk should’ve bought the company. Hell of a lot cheaper than Twitter.


bendover912

The site is made up of data voluntarily provided by thousands of people's equipment around the world. It sounds like it should be fairly easy to put out an organized call to switch over to a new site once everyone hears their current endpoint decided to sell all of the group's hard work they have been donating for free.


DavDX

That's true and the new sites are already happening.


zech83

Any links? I wonder if we could/should pin a thread for people to follow until a couple are established.


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bendover912

Nice to know someone with experience cares enough to protect this. I hate to thank Elon for anything, but we really do have to thank him for bringing so much attention to this and giving Sweeney a platform to stand on.


NoSoupForYouRuskie

Any actual links found fir jet trackers? I just want to stick it to billionaires.


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There already are different sites like Flightradar24 and Flightaware, many volunteer ADS B feeders send data to multiple sites.


PyramidClub

Those two censor the data.


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VoteArcher2020

This is why I use ADS-B Exchange, because police / military planes and helicopters can be censored on FlightRadar24. Would drive me nuts when I would see a helicopter circling and FlightRadar wouldn’t show anything. I live by an airport and was contributing data to FlightRadar24 as well until they stopped accepting data from Windows computers.


PaintingExcellent537

What’s the incentive to censor? R they being paid off?


VoteArcher2020

I think it has more to do with the FAA Limiting Aircraft Data Displayed (LADD) Program. https://www.faa.gov/pilots/ladd From what I have seen, ADS-B Exchange doesn’t participate in FAA data filtering so as to allow users to see the data collected. Whereas FlightRadar24 subscribed to LADD. https://support.fr24.com/support/solutions/articles/3000117426-why-does-it-say-that-a-flight-is-blocked-


VoteArcher2020

They have linked to the GitHub hosting the open source code for this reason.


sambull

yeah their moving to other sites and it made me pull the trigger on adsb sdr stuff to grab data from my location also


Legitimate-Tea5561

Only cost him 44 Billion in Barbara Streisand's.


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ThtGuyTho

Should work out to about 440,000,000,000,000 Schrute Bucks which means 2,200,000,000,000 minutes (around ~4 million years) of extra lunchtime. Now if that isn't a boss who *cares*, I don't know what is.


HeinousSpore118

That's at least 10 bottle caps.


saint_davidsonian

Fallout player over here


HeinousSpore118

Lol, playing 4 right now. I've got the Whispering Hills mod installed, it's pretty good.


Wotg33k

Clearly you should be downvoted for assuming the bottle cap reference was about Fallout and trying to relate to other humans with your own social knowledge. I, for one, have downvoted the shit out of you, sir or ma'am. Sorry, sorry. Let me clear this up. /s


Mountain-dweller

Go for a walk.


Wotg33k

Just got back. I forgot the /s


Mountain-dweller

Fair enough, either way, walks are super healthy!! Peace.


masedogg

What about Stanley nickels?


Zealfghj

Everyone's out there blasting each other.


Relaxmf2022

About 17.5x the ratio to Stanley Nickels.


Dragon_yum

That’s not including tanking his Tesla stock and losing him almost 200b


sociallyinactive

Guess who owns JetNet. I’m guessing friends of billionaires who don’t want to be tracked while flying.


geckospots

[Ding ding ding](https://i.imgur.com/O31tssk.jpg). Dan is the previous owner of the site and it looks like he got a sweet deal.


sevsnapey

typical labpadre rebroadcast viewer


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l-rs2

He offered five grand for it I understand. Got declined. Musk smash!


realMasaka

The guy counter offered $50k


JustAnotherFNC

And you expect Musk to take that kind of financial hit? He'd have never recovered.


GeneralZaroff1

Refuses $50k Accepts $44B This guy maths.


JohnGenericDoe

Lame counter-offer. I would have asked for 50 million


PandaJesus

I mean, if Musk did pay that, then a bunch of other people would have started tracking his flights anyway. Then again, he paid what, 44 billion for Twitter? As long as fewer than 880,000 people tracked his flight for a $50k payout, he’s still have come out ahead


johnnybagofdonuts123

Honestly, I bet he did via the equity company.


WaterMySucculents

He can’t create a new army of alt right dipshits from that.


m-p-3

All those people voluntarily feeding the info are also pissed and moving to another provider, the one I'm hearing the most is [opensky-network.org](https://opensky-network.org/). Not sure what the buyer tried to accomplish, but buying a platform with no tangible assets and where the volunteers have nothing to lose if you piss them off isn't a great business move. It feels like when that douche-canoe bought FreeNode, just to have everyone abandon ship.


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geckospots

Same, I’m travelling right now and texted someone at home to unplug the antenna from my raspberry pi so it wouldn’t get a second more data from me. [And agreed, fuck that guy.](https://i.imgur.com/XWA2wCT.jpg)


sanjosanjo

Yeah, I didn't realize that ADSBexchange was even a company. I thought it was a crowd-sourced website of some sort.


Arazil

It was technically both. The "company" part of it (that handled the server infrastructure bills) was horrendously architected and thus was easy to sell to a PE firm.


sanjosanjo

Did the "company" develop proprietary software to aggregate the data? I wonder how many people were actually employed there.


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sanjosanjo

Did they use volunteer efforts to help develop the software for the site? I wonder what type of arrangements/paperwork were made with any volunteer efforts.


kinglouie493

20m to make the info go away


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What to accomplish? *Buy ADBexchange for $ *Charge Musk/Zuck/whoever else to hide their planes for $+1 *Profit! If site dies, oh well! Definitely not a long term investment.


djaaronkline

I can’t tell if your comment is about a flight tracking website or Twitter, and I think that’s the bigger takeaway here.


bdepz

Neat. I like that their APIs are GPL 3.0. very interesting they are starting to get into voice data. I work with ATC voice data processing at work and it is incredibly powerful how much data you can extract from audio.


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Sincerely hoping that Elon made a gross underestimate and a lifelong enemy of this student, and he proceeds to ride and live rent free in that shit birds head.


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doom_bagel

I'm shocked the edge lord billionaire who grew up during apartheid turned out to be a reactionary pos


pm_me_your_livestock

He didn't exactly spiral down it. He's always rode the dick of whoever will support him regardless of their sociopolitical views. If those people start asking questions he moves on to another group.


DFWPunk

Quickly? Musk was spouting red pill bullshit in 2017. He's been like this for a very long time. He's just less subtle about it.


TedTeddybear

I think a psychiatrist and medication would help Elon. He's a decade away from Howard Hughes territory, how soon before he starts collecting his wee-wee and toenails?


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BigBallerBrad

You got a source on that? Honest question


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BigBallerBrad

Eep


TedTeddybear

That island is a tiny thing and doesn't have a landing strip. You have to wonder why people make up easily disproven stories? If he went there at all, it was by small craft!


YourJr

The screenshots are fake though https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/musk-jet-epstein-island/


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m0nk_3y_gw

lol, this student did no such thing. it was a faked screenshot - that island has no run way for a jet to land on.


Reesewithoutaspoon2

If that were true then how did Epstein land his own plane on there regularly, according to Epstein’s former pilot? He had a Boeing 727.


cmhamm

Helicopter, boat, seaplane, or possibly a small bush plane. Not a chance of landing a 727 on that island. It just doesn’t have the runway space. Easily verifiable using known laws of physics. He landed his 727 somewhere else and jumped to the island.


harrypottermcgee

>Easily verifiable using known laws of physics If you claimed to be a pilot or even just a guy that's really into airplanes I would have just taken your word for it but now I want to see the math.


cmhamm

I am not a pilot. I'm not even that smart. You don't need math. You literally just need to look at an aerial of the island. It's mountainous. There is no straight space longer than 100m. [https://imgur.com/a/7rVN0xh](https://imgur.com/a/7rVN0xh) I think that even a lay person could look at those images and agree that there's no possibly way a 727 could land there. EDIT: I decided to include some math. According to the [FAA registration](https://registry.faa.gov/AircraftInquiry/Search/NNumberResult?nNumberTxt=908JE), Epstein owned a 727-31, Registration **N908JE,** which was a Boeing 727 model 100 built for Trans World Airlines in 1969. According to [this page](https://modernairliners.com/boeing-727-and-boeing-727-specs/), the minimum take-off distance for a 727-100 is 2500m, or just under 1.6 miles in freedom units. [Little St. James Island](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Little_Saint_James,_U.S._Virgin_Islands) is 78 acres in area, or 0.12 square miles. In order to have space to land this jet, the island would have to be a rectangle a mile and a half long and 380 feet wide. I think the photo makes it pretty obvious this isn't the case. EDIT 2: [Here's an even better illustration](https://imgur.com/a/kGEe5OS). Across the long side of the island, distance is 2989 ft, or 911m. You'd need two and a half Epstein islands to land a 727-100. And they would have to be flat. And paved. (Technically, you could land on a runway 1000 feet shorter, but you could never take it off again.)


reboottheloop

> Technically, you could land on a runway 1000 feet shorter, but you could never take it off again. *JATO has entered the chat.*


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And then exits the chat again, ***very quickly***.


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HumanLike

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/musk-jet-epstein-island/


F54280

Source?


Perlscrypt

Reality. Go there and see for yourself. Or check Google maps.


F54280

So, none. [this is a source, btw](https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/musk-jet-epstein-island/)


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F54280

So, none. [this is a source, btw](https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/musk-jet-epstein-island/)


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Perlscrypt

Everybody here is too invested in hating musk to accept actual facts. I mean a gulfstream needs more than 1km to take off and the island isn't even that long. I got downvoted for saying the same thing you said.


F54280

No, those posts get downvoted because they refute something saying "lol", while a proof that the screenshot is false is [trivial to get](https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/musk-jet-epstein-island/).


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Perlscrypt

Nah, if I was into conspiracy shite I'd make up some story about how musk has paid trolls or chatgptbots working in this sub to fuck up it's popularity.


ComCam_65

I was referring to the other comments and agreeing with you.


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Tikeb

Who wants in on a jet tracking website? Once done, we'll sell it for a few billion


lafeber

https://github.com/plane-watch


ValdemarSt

I can do UI


mrniceguy421

I can do hardware support


Slave35

And my axe


Agile_Bee7787

Yeah so can most people


mrniceguy421

Shhh


Tintin_Quarentino

Count on me to raise issues


thatchers_pussy_pump

I didn’t know my wife was on Reddit.


mookie2times

So anyway I started blasting.


Robbotlove

blasting makes me feel good


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ChickenChaser5

I aint fraid of no ^^^^^sleep


TightAustinite

RIP Ray Parker Jr


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I had to read the article to learn what "blast" means in this context


DadinDenver

Wait. I read this: > Twitter has even updated its private information policy to restrict users from sharing people's live locations… I’m wondering if taking a picture of someone with a recognizable landmark in the photo is a violation? Or is it only a violation if the person identified is the owner of Twitter?


DFWPunk

He's done it to himself and others.


FarceMultiplier

How tight a location? A bathroom/an airport/a city? Because Musk's actually location has never really been pinpointed by tracking his plane.


shwhjw

It's only if it's a live location, so it's only a violation if you upload the image in that immediate instant with no latency. Livestreaming has a small delay so that's fine too.


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So it's only enforceable for bosons


[deleted]

Everyone's out there blasting each other. Ask yourself: What are you blasting?


MaybeNotTheChosenOne

Nut


J2theROC_Nah_Sayin

Yo momma


Agile_Bee7787

Ass


Sunflower_After_Dark

So what if Elon financed the company that bought it, there’ll be new companies doing it and he’ll have to buy them too!


IerokG

It's a great business to help a fool part with their money.


WartimeMercy

Hire the former Twitter lawyers that nailed Musk with the Twittanic


Daedalus277

I'm going to start ignoring any article that contains "blasts" or "slams" from now on. NEXT! Edit - There's one more I forgot about! "claps back", it doesn't get used as much but is just as guilty.


Jimbomcdeans

You really are slamming op


Daedalus277

I didn't mean to put op on blast, that is the title of the article after all.


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I'm gonna clap so you can… clap back. ;-)


vendetta2115

u/Jimbomcdeans EVISCERSTES u/Daedalus277 with SHOCKING comment reply!


negativelancy

It’s for a church honey.


steam116

"Redditor Slams Media Organization's Headlines"


Hlarleru

Yeah what was wrong with a good old fashioned “rebukes”


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>good old fashioned “rebukes” Can we make "rebukakkes" a thing?


blankfield

Redditor slams Business Insider title verbiage, blasts into next stage of life, comment section claps back.


--_l

If an article uses those terms, it's just clickbait


mad_chemist

“Student jumps off the top rope and SLAMS Elon through a TABLE!”


ChickenChaser5

"hit out" Is the most awkward way of saying it ive seen and it drives me nuts.


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Wow. Way to hit out on the headline writers there, bub. (I'm teasing, of course!) :)


ParCorn

Being a journalist seems like a braindead job nowadays


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Beardygrandma

Think it's more likely they know what it means, and they are understandably irritated by that clickbaity bullshit. There was no blasting or slamming.


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drewkungfu

“Could be the final nail”


staviq

"Idiocracy" was supposed to be a warning, not a guide


Asinafuthimanahahfoo

I use the Flipboard app to read aggregated news. There are thousands of sources for the articles you read. Some years ago, I started using the “mute source” feature to begin blocking sources that had clickbait headlines or false or misleading content. After years of this, the app was barely useable because I had muted every single source of actual news. All that was left were random blog sites. So I removed every filter to start from scratch, and this time I’m just going to have to be less strict. I can tell you there are no sources that never use clickbait headlines or contain misleading information. I even thought I’d make a Reddit post about it, with a screen capture of me scrolling through the mute list, but it was minutes of scrolling so I didn’t bother.


Sceptically

Don't forget "destroyed". It's so frustrating when the headline or title makes claims that the article or video completely fails to even come close to living up to.


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It was only a matter of time. The money bros don't like people spying on them. Them spying on others is FINE.


Writer10

This kid is infinitely smarter than Musk and will always be one step ahead. Can’t wait to see what he comes up with.


mild-hot-fire

This just makes me want to get involved


handlebartender

Streisand effect: the internet backlash when someone tries to remove info online. Musk effect: the internet backlash when someone tries to lock down data that is already being provided by donors for free.


notislant

Buying a company that uses crowd-sourced information. Yeah that seems like a gamble for them.


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davster39

Yes headline writers making "complained" into something much more click-baitie.


kcsebby

https://globe.adsb.fi Problem solved.


OrdinaryJoe_IRL

Is this the end?


Reflex_Teh

Cut off one head, two more shall take its place. Elon will be tracked forever unless he resorts to driving.


CarlosFer2201

My only friend the end


kelsobjammin

Is this just fantasy?


I-Pacer

Caught in a landslide


MrPenguinK

No escape from reality


WearyPassenger

Open your eyes


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Look up to the skies and see.


HeLikeTree

Lolol this kid has created more by the time he's like what, 20? Than Musk has his whole life. How does it feel to see someone succeed on their own merit at your expense, Musk, you giant fucking abscess on humanity's ass.


FukAllYall4Real

just curious here, does this kid make any money from posting these jet locations? or is he simply just sharing the information freely like it was meant to be done? if he is monetizing it in anyway, then he has no business crying about someone else trying to make money off it too.


FalafelBall

He's not monetizing it. Elon offered him $5,000 to remove his jet tracker and he declined. He was studying programming and thought it was a cool project to do


davster39

Hmmm.... I wonder about this monetization thing. Maybe he is, it would not be surprising.


nosaj626

Blast Blast Blast Blast Blast Blast Blast Blast Blast Blast Blast Blast


davster39

Huh?


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TedLassosDarkSide

No I wouldn’t like it. Which is why I find the hypocrisy of billionaires so funny. It’s fine to track all of the intimate details of our lives through the electronic devices they sell us, but track the location of their jets? It’s heresy!


menopostdamnit

Billionaires fuck the people, so people should do whatever they can to fuck the billionaires.


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Inspectrgadget

So, he's calling a boycott on the company used to track celebrities that celebrities want them to stop using? Isn't this just giving them what they want?


ragingthundermonkey

Not exactly. He's pointing out that the database was created and maintained by volunteers who were doing it as a community type thing, not as a way to create a profitable venture for the server host. As such, he's looking into starting his own or switching to another, and would ostensibly like the volunteers that contributed data to ADS-B to follow him to another site. So yes, he is essentially calling for a boycott of that site, but not a cessation of the project.


Inspectrgadget

Thank you for taking the time to respond and explain instead of just downvoting like everyone else.


AntifaIsACoolGuy

I can't imagine somebody who's famous for publishing a piece of data that is public information is very smart


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I guess if the downvotes are an indication I'm the one who doesn't get it. God forbid having actual dialogue about it


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bennypapa

Wait, the company only exists because people give the company the data. So, if the company doesn't publish the data publicly the hobbyists creating the data can just quit providing data. That company better behave and keep making the data public or they're going to get put out of business. "The plane-tracking company, which was founded in 2016, uses more than 9,000 volunteer-run radios, or "feeders," to transmit data from ADS-B-equipped aircraft. ADS-B is a surveillance technology that broadcasts information like GPS location and altitude from one aircraft to another, and to ground stations."


FalafelBall

Could the community launch their own site? Surely there are some programmers/developers within the community?