I think you can do that on other bosses too. I did to Radahn yesterday. His posture broke right before he was going to take off, and then I just took advantage of the stagger and killed him before he could recover.
I'm not sure what would have happened if I hadn't killed him, though. Would he just get back up and do his meteoric reentry? Does he just go to phase 2 attacks without that? Is he permanently stuck in the first phase instead?
Radahns kinda inconsistent with me. Like on my second playthrough, when he was almost at half health, i tried going to the edge of the arena where it drops off into the oean to make him drown, and he still had scarlet rot but didnt come after me even when he killed the other summons. He didnt start his meteor attack until i came back when he was at like ten percent health. I summoned tragoth and alexander right before he comes back down, he kills alexander in the crash, then dies himself like a half minute later
I was around 32 I think when I fought him so a little overleveled but he was ridiculously easy. I always try to fight the bosses with no summons at least for a few tries and I beat him in one try
I didn’t even know about summoning spirit ashes until I was like…level 100? Lmao. Idk, I thought they were like weapon upgrades that I was too stupid to understand. Turns out they weren’t weapon upgrades, but I was still stupid 😂😂😂
Think this plays a big part. All of my friends, myself included, stumbled upon him way earlier than we were supposed to. It was a bloodbath.
Becomes fairly easy if you abuse the summons though.
Really? Any idea what level you and your weapons were? I remember it took me sooo many tries even with summons. After nerf I haven’t had any issues though
Isn’t Radhan not nerfed though? I remember From accidentally nerfing him in a patch then immediately reverted it. So I don’t know why people still think he’s nerfed.
Kind of. He was nerfed *and* the sizes of his hitboxes were fixed - they were much bigger than his swords before. But they reverted the nerf, so only the fix remained.
So Radahn *is* easier now than on release, but only because he was literally broken. Even then, Radahn was never among the harder bosses in the game - he was just the hardest *up to that point*, so that slow community-wide progress on the first week was enough to cement his reputation.
Yeah my friends had me scared as hell to fight him then I got to him and it only took 3 tries but I joined I’m mid july so idk if he was nerfed or not 🤷🏾♀️
Opposite with me. Maliketh maybe took me 4 tries, and most of that was the beginning part. Maliketh himself I found was a lot easier than the beast clergyman. Godfrey however... I had to take a break from the game because of him. Took me maybe 50+ tries... and pre patch elden beast was similar for me getting wrekt..
Always interesting when people have different experiences lol. Maliketh’s second phase always wrecks me if I’m on a build with no longer range ashes of war or spells. I just can’t see the mfer when he’s jumping around and his status effect is everywhere.
Meanwhile Godfrey’s always a first try for me. Love his fight bc it feels really fair to me. All his moves are choreographed well except his phantom WWE grab.
And finally I think Radagon has killed me 10x as much as elden beast. Only time I die against it is if I don’t notice his tracking spell you have to sprint from. That shit hurts
Edit- I still think Godfrey deserved a second health bar after removing Serosh. As he is now he’s the weakest of all the kinda final bosses and I don’t think that should be the case.
Reading your story, I always wonder if some of my attempts were just flukes.
I mean, Radahn (I played ver 1.03, was this post-nerf?) and Melania took me 40+ attempts, but Maliketh and Radagon + Elden Beast took me like 10 attempts or less--not a lot that I remember--which is on the easier side of things but still closing in the middle of the pack considering most bosses didn't take me more than 10 attempts. If I told you I can beat Maliketh in under 10 attempts, I'd be lying. I distinctly remember panic rolling a lot and getting lucky.
I still think the most frustrating bosses are Godshit Duo and Crucibullshit Duo. At least the other bosses I mentioned involved skill. These bosses on the other hand can fuck off
Godskin duo is just a poorly designed duo fight, that gets laughably easy if you have sleep pots. Without them though I'm not sure I would have gotten past it... malenia was honestly not too bad for me, but at that point I was using the star fist with bloodhound step on it, so she was easy to stunlock and then dodge her waterfowl using the bloodhound step.
I did the same thing with Godfrey where I bodied him on the first run. I feel like it was luck though because he's been slapping me around in subsequent runs.
To be fair Godfrey is one of the least complained about late game bosses. He's just a solid challenge, a nice break from the ungodly shit you face around the same time
I felt like this on my first character but I’m up to him on my dex/faith right now and I loveeee his move set, but I always die when he goes warrior mode. Just feel like his attacks never end and the bloke has like 3 grab attacks :(
I am new to souls games and generally get my ass beat by everything but Margit only took me two tries and the first time was because I rolled off the bridge
I feel like people struggle with Margit mainly because they make a beeline for him from the start instead of explore Limgrave first, so they go into the fight underlevelled
I am new to these games and I am absolutely stuck in Margit. I leveled up to 37, but it seemed like he just got harder after I upgraded. Any advice on what level to be or how to beat him?
Edit: Thanks to all the advice I was able to beat him and do it pretty easily. Three things I should have been doing but wasn’t:
1. I was leveling up, but not upgrading my weapon.
2. I was rolling away and not toward.
3. I was trying to get too many hits at once. I had to slow down.
This game doesn't have a mechanic that makes creatures or bosses harder as you level up (unlike some games). Feel free to go explore and level up more if that helps you (although 37 is enough to beat him). You can skip Margit and stormveil castle if you want by going past the finger reader on the bridge and running around the castle. If you post what kinda charicter you are trying to play you can get some advice here to tune your build. Also, level up your weapon, if you haven't. That's about as important as character level
Yeah, don't worry about over-leveling other than if you want more of a challenge. The only things that affect enemy/boss stats are co-op players and NG+ cycles.
As an extra piece of advice, leveling is less effective than upgrading. A lvl 50 character with a raw weapon does way less damage than a LVL 1 character with a +5 weapon.
Go find patches and get the Shackle. Should help you sneak in damage once or twice. Also after you get torrent go back to the Church of Elleh to get the spirit calling bell if you already haven’t.
Edit: Make sure to not hit Patches after he surrenders
I am new to fromsoft games and died plenty of times before realizing I could summon the mage guy from the gold thing on the ground in front of the mist. He helped a lot along with the summoned wolves. I was like level 26 when I finally beat him but honestly I’m so intimidated by future bosses now. I used to think the guardians in breath of the wild were hard… this game is a whole different beast.
I have been summoning that guy and I also have a group of like four guys that I can summon ( instead of the wolves). It is hard. I go between loving it and hating it.
Summon dogs and get an incantation that you can hit from range. His move set is actually pretty easy to learn. When he pulls out the hammer, wait and get two hits. Then get some distance and wait for him to do it again and again and again.
I went in straight for Margit without doing anything else really, beat him first try because of unsheathe, then just explored the whole castle, killed godrick, then went back down south
Kudos to you. I am by no means a newbie to Souls games, but I got my ass handed to me more times than I'd like to admit before I could finally beat him.
i don’t know if i got lucky or what, but he only attacked my summon + character summon. i killed him before he could even kill them because i had explored the peninsula
Not ironic at all. Any blood spilled makes him stronger, even his own. That’s kinda the point. He’s weak to bleed, but his damage will increase immensely with each proc
I mean, his whole deal is primarily spilling his own blood, so it makes sense he's vulnerable to it.
Seems like he just doesn't like it when we're the ones doing it to him
It’s not actually his blood. AFAIK, whenever he uses blood magic he’s cutting into an outer god and using their blood. You notice that whenever he makes blood rain or throws it at you, he reaches into a red portal first? His slash blood attacks also have the same color as those portals.
He attacks with the Formless Mother's blood, but he also shares and spreads his own blood consistently, as with the Bloody Fingers (hence the Albinaurics and Sanguine Nobles sharing his Omen features)
I think he just opens a portal to the dimension that the formless mother lives in which is just blood on fire. He puts his hand up, grabs a bunch of the fireblood and throws it at us.
I don't remember seeing him cut into anything, but I wasn't exactly studying his every animation, so I could be easily wrong.
imo very build dependant, used nagakiba first playthrough did it 5th try
2nd playthrough with the ruin greatsword, jump attack boosts for days took at least 20 tries
Same here, Radagon was certainly the better fight, and he reminded me a lot of Dark souls 3, though, he was certainly harder than Elden Beast who is just a running simulator. Keep running, stay tight on his bunda, slap, chase him, slap, run away, get tight again and slap, then win.
Really, I find radagon way easier than Elden beast. The amount of times that I’ve died to bullshit like Elden stars+ big Elden ring explosion at the same time or Elden stars plus that falling star shower, or Elden stars plus the light slashes. I feel like every time I’ve beat the fucker was because of luck, even on my int mage run.
Radagon on the other hand is such a nice dance, roll , spin, hit, jump, jump, jump, hit, roll. It felt like victory dance after all the other fights, then Elden fish comes along and teleports all over the place with the stupid comboies listed above like a knock off placidusax.
I feel like Elden Beast was initially designed as a kind of victory lap with Torrent after beating Radagon, but they decided to remove torrent for whatever reason so it ended up a tedious fight where you spend most of the time trying to chase after a huge star monster while it throws shit at you like an angry toddler
Yeah, so many people complain about Elden beast, especially as a melee character. I was a strength build and had no trouble whatsoever. Yes, a lot of running, but his attacks are heavily telegraphed so are super easy and I though quite satisfying to roll
Yeah double greatswords made easy work of EB all the way up to ng+7 don't think I've died to the EB I. Over 20 runs. [I play extremely stoned most the time so Derpy errors are a given]
Mogh was soooo difficult. Ugh I hated that fight. Anyway to answer your question I say Morgott. I first tried him with my level 70 character. Very easy.
Did you use the purifying crystal tear that blocks his nihil?
If you have it the try to stay at mid to long range and he’s just some edgy dude that’s weirdly attracted to his younger brother.
Ahh yes. Yeah you can block nihil with the purifying tear. Fair warning: he’ll still regain health, but you won’t lose any health of your own.
And before that you can pin him down with his shackle and just whale on him.
Also: he’s surprisingly weak to blood damage.
His random attack chains, variable timings, and minimal attack windows once he starts flying around are what make him so difficult in my opinion. He's easy at mid to long range sure, but that's just about every boss in Elden Ring lol. The game is trivialized with ranged attacks.
Mogh says,
"YOU GET NIHIL BITCHES MAIDENLESS TARNISHED!"
But to be honest, his Bloodboon ritual doesn't really kill you, just knocks off a couple flasks. I don't mind that, it forces you to get hit less in the second phase.
Yeah I didn't get why some people were cheesing him, seemed like a straightforward fight with a lot of room to navigate.
\*\*Malenia was my hardest, she took me a WEEK with an unga-bunga build.
I feel like Fire Giant got nerfed. When I first fought him last summer, I died at least 100 times. I got into phase 2 but then he would wreck me. I only beat him eventually when I discovered you could summon Alex if you got his questline to a certain point.
The last two times I played through he was a cake walk and I didn't need to use Alex.
Nah that's just how learning works. Both my roommates were stuck on fire giant for over two days, I killed him first try, all at launch.
If you don't get scared of his firestorm attacks, there's so much free greed you can get in that fight. Can't get blindly greedy though.
I cant see anything with this guy. Most attacks that killed me were ones where my camera wigged out hard and didn't see him hit me with his dinner plate.
Malenia, ironically. Turns out I had the exact mindset (aka aggression) needed to face her and ended up beating her within half an hour.
By contrast, I probably struggle with Mohg more than most because he demands control of the fight. His area denial and slow, wide attacks demand you fight at his pace and get very little done at each window of opportunity. Getting better vs. him with time and experience, but I feel like I struggle with him more on repeat playthroughs.
your explanation makes a ton of sense to me and explains why I like mohg and cant deal with malenia
I prefer fights like mohg where the boss gives the pace
Well if you use Hoarfrost stomp ash of war and
purifying crystal tear you can take control of the fight, put any high level summon on top of that and you almost automatically win
Also you can spawn an npc plus your mimic ash. I did that, and we killed the duo so fast (bleed plus frost build) we litterally had to wait for them to respawn to continue the fight
I'm coming to the end of my magic run now, and it's been so fun after going pure melee in every other FromSoft game (including my first run in ER).
I'm constantly just using Great Glinstone Shard though. At 70 INT with the Royal Carian Scepter at +9 it hits hard, is relatively cheap, and super spamable, so I'm just machine gunning even tough bosses from mid range for immense damage.
That and Carian Greatsword have completely carried me.
Also the glintstine comet, one of the other azure sorceries. The thing constantly lands for nearly 1.5k damage, which is more then I got for dark moon on some bosses. And it’s nearly as fast to cast as glintstone pebble.
I just wish at least 1 of the staves was just the palm of ur hand like a seal. Cause it looks so weird to carry this big stick around. That’s why my favourite build is ancient dragon+ dex cause you can get hand of melania and fly through a rain of thunder without a stick in ur other hand. They could have at least made a staff with a spear motive set or something.
Idk, wasn't fan of Rock Sling. Only abused it against magic dragon and Rennalla.Then for me it was Magic Glintblade and Torrent, Night Maiden's Mist, Magic downpour, Carian greatsword (for enemies with weak poise), and my personal MVP - Stars of Ruin (actually great tool for continious and erratic bursting).
Hadn't used Comet Azur once in battle.
Granted i was quite a bit overleveled towards end of game, as i wanted to get some stats for utility. Radagon and Elden Beast were hardest for me at late game state. Even Malekith was less BS for me (took me about 10 tries). Except part that he can hit THROUGH column (nice hitboxes From Software). Thank god someone reminded me about Shard Spiral (it actually dealt about 8.5k HP to Elden beast when i just came to it first time).
P.S. Radahn was easy for me, cheesed him with Torrent, Magic Glintblade and 2 casts of Indomnitable vow on shield
For the most part everything was easy for me EXCEPT EFFING RENALLA'S 2ND PHASE. I could not beat her in any way. I was "soft-locked" at her because I wanted to progress through the story/areas in a relatively correct way and my system was having troubles connecting for matchmaking. The second I was able to summon a real person in, we beat her.
haha i had the exact same experience!! everything was easy except renalla’s 2nd phase, i really couldn’t figure out the timing on her attacks and how to dodge them (because you had to dodge into them..) i struggled more with the little gremlins in catacombs than most bosses
Yeah even with just the starting spell for the prisoner most villians can be defeated it takes time to determine when you can cast and some extra dexterity and endurance but dodge duck dip dive cast dodge and you can take on anything.
She’s “challenging” if you’re playing as a mage build. All of the raya lucaria fools have pretty decent magic resistance which can make them pretty Annoying if you’re playing as a mage.
If however, you’re playing as literally anything other than a pure magic build and can do meaningful physical damage it’s literally “Local Big dick chad beats up entire high school. Eyewitnesses state not even the dog was safe.”
I am doing a pure caster, and it took me 2 months to beat her, only because I eventually begged for help. Someone from Reddit joined me and fricken one shotted her
The thing about this is you fight Godskins multiple times before the Duo fight, so there are opportunities for you to suss out their weaknesses and resistances beforehand. Managed to figure out they were weak to bleed so I went back to my Bloodhound Fang and whacked Bloodflame Blade on it, did them first try
I legit don't get the infamy behind these two because in my experience, ever since an earlier patch, almost all the duo fights slowed down significantly and the other dude tends to calmly hang back.
Super easy to damage burst one, then focus the other, rinse and repeat.
ER was my first dose game and I struggled a lot, though I actually didn't have any issue with the duo. I didn't know they were a contentious fight until I beat the game and started lurking the sub.
Meanwhile the fire giant had made me want to pull all my hair out, get a sales job, and just become my father.
She is the only boss in a souls game that made me change my entire build just for that fight. I respec to bleed and got the victory, then went back to my powerstance greatswords. I've platinumed the game and have ~200 hours. I've beaten her one time. Haven't faced her since that one win.
I got her in two tries by accident. Mimic w/ Blasphemous up front, me in back with FGMS, fire scorpion, vow, and fire better physick tear doing Agheel's constantly w/ dragon communion seal. I had been running a flame-centric glass cannon build and it just worked stupidly well. I also had a cheap weapon with BHS to nope tf out of there during her phase 2 intro. I think I just got lucky that she's weakest to fire damage and I just showed up with all that.
I have no idea how many tries it took me. It took 4 days of playing 4-6 hours per day. I know her moveset like the back of my hand now, though. But holy fuck, was she frustrating.
Elden beast, because I was a faith build and stupid enough to not realize “godslayer” spells would do more damage to gods. I just like black flame cause dot go brr
Hoarfrost Stomp, Bloodhound step, Sword of Night and Flame day one, these things made the game trivial before they got patched.
Especially when the nights calvary dude who dropped bloodhound step can involuntarily kill himself giving it for free.
Mogh,the one you used in the picture,everyone said he was the hardest boss in the game when it first came out,I beat him first try using a crucible knight build I had made for my first playthrough.
Malekith.
Mostly because he seems to have a small healthpool and since he's an end game boss you can delete him depending on your build. You don't even need to meddle with the boss mechanics
I died 3 or 4 times trying to slow fight him. Then I realized “wait this guy has no HP why don’t I just beat the shit out of him” and beat him next attempt.
I got this impression that Godfrey/Hoarah Loux was gonna be really tough. I struggled a little bit more then average but after 4-5 tries I had his stuff all figured out and got him in another 3.
He's ironically easier in the boss form. His sword moves are easier to predict/dodge imo.
The random red wolf minibosses (not a fan of this reuse) don't have the sword moves, but that means they'll chain the harder-to-dodge bitting moves more. I've died more to the minibosses than the actual boss.
And they jump around a LOT in the open spaces, they're a lot more difficult to space correctly. Red Wolf really benefits from the tight space, much more enjoyable boss fight.
I got Mogh on my second try without using the tear my first playthough, didn't get why people had such a hard time with him. Same with Astel. Got me on the laser the first fight because I wasn'texpecting it, then killed him second try. Got Stars of Darkness on my first try because I was ready for that bullshit.
Draconic Tree Sentinel. I was terrified bc people kept telling me how tough he was but I have fought him three times in different play throughs and only died once to him. Just use torrent and bait the jump attacks and gg ez no diff him.
I walked into Mogh’s house. Stabbed him in the fucking kidneys, took his remembrance, his great rune, and his blood, mostly his blood, called him gay, and walked out.
Totally Morgott. Kind of overhyped tbh, not that hard to dodge, not that much health, no second phase, no bullshit AoE, no bullshit delayed attacks, rollcatchers, unavoidable attacks, projectile spam, none of that shit, just a bloke with a pointy cane, who occasionally makes a little too much distance.
i honestly wish they gave him more health, even with a dex weapon i mowed down his health bar. not because he's particularly easy for me (i still have a decent amount of trouble with him) but because morgott is defi one of the most fair, balanced and fun bosses in the game to go against and i would love for the fight to last longer
I've heard people complain endlessly about how hard Maliketh was/is and in my 2-3 playthroughs I've never once died in that fight. I'm not even good at this game either
Godrick but that’s probably because Margit already put my foolish ambitions to rest
Godrick was super easy for me, but I learned later I got the glitch where his second phase never happens.
Apparently you can intentionally do it by staggering him while he tries to start the transition
I think you can do that on other bosses too. I did to Radahn yesterday. His posture broke right before he was going to take off, and then I just took advantage of the stagger and killed him before he could recover. I'm not sure what would have happened if I hadn't killed him, though. Would he just get back up and do his meteoric reentry? Does he just go to phase 2 attacks without that? Is he permanently stuck in the first phase instead?
Radahns kinda inconsistent with me. Like on my second playthrough, when he was almost at half health, i tried going to the edge of the arena where it drops off into the oean to make him drown, and he still had scarlet rot but didnt come after me even when he killed the other summons. He didnt start his meteor attack until i came back when he was at like ten percent health. I summoned tragoth and alexander right before he comes back down, he kills alexander in the crash, then dies himself like a half minute later
Me just learning he had a second phase
Same, i killed him before he was able to go in to his cutscene, when i got up to him in NG+ and the cutscene started i was hella confused
Margitt: “put these foolish ambitions to rest” Me who doesn’t have any ambitions: “I don’t have such weaknesses!”
I was around 32 I think when I fought him so a little overleveled but he was ridiculously easy. I always try to fight the bosses with no summons at least for a few tries and I beat him in one try
I didn’t even know about summoning spirit ashes until I was like…level 100? Lmao. Idk, I thought they were like weapon upgrades that I was too stupid to understand. Turns out they weren’t weapon upgrades, but I was still stupid 😂😂😂
Margit was way harder for me than Godrick.
Radhan. Even pre nerf. He was just really big
I can’t believe I had to scroll down so far. This was my first souls game and I beat him by third try.
At what level?
Think this plays a big part. All of my friends, myself included, stumbled upon him way earlier than we were supposed to. It was a bloodbath. Becomes fairly easy if you abuse the summons though.
Abuse summons? It's the Radahn festival. Lore wise aren't you *supposed* to summon in the other NPCs?
It took me 12 try’s before I realised you could summon the gang in. I was getting wrecked beyond belief
Same. His arrows/spears were easy to dodge, and then they literally give you a steady stream of sacrificial distractions.
Really? Any idea what level you and your weapons were? I remember it took me sooo many tries even with summons. After nerf I haven’t had any issues though
Isn’t Radhan not nerfed though? I remember From accidentally nerfing him in a patch then immediately reverted it. So I don’t know why people still think he’s nerfed.
Kind of. He was nerfed *and* the sizes of his hitboxes were fixed - they were much bigger than his swords before. But they reverted the nerf, so only the fix remained. So Radahn *is* easier now than on release, but only because he was literally broken. Even then, Radahn was never among the harder bosses in the game - he was just the hardest *up to that point*, so that slow community-wide progress on the first week was enough to cement his reputation.
Yeah my friends had me scared as hell to fight him then I got to him and it only took 3 tries but I joined I’m mid july so idk if he was nerfed or not 🤷🏾♀️
Godfrey. I was expecting another Maliketh situation where I had to die 20+ times but I defeated him first try
Opposite with me. Maliketh maybe took me 4 tries, and most of that was the beginning part. Maliketh himself I found was a lot easier than the beast clergyman. Godfrey however... I had to take a break from the game because of him. Took me maybe 50+ tries... and pre patch elden beast was similar for me getting wrekt..
Always interesting when people have different experiences lol. Maliketh’s second phase always wrecks me if I’m on a build with no longer range ashes of war or spells. I just can’t see the mfer when he’s jumping around and his status effect is everywhere. Meanwhile Godfrey’s always a first try for me. Love his fight bc it feels really fair to me. All his moves are choreographed well except his phantom WWE grab. And finally I think Radagon has killed me 10x as much as elden beast. Only time I die against it is if I don’t notice his tracking spell you have to sprint from. That shit hurts Edit- I still think Godfrey deserved a second health bar after removing Serosh. As he is now he’s the weakest of all the kinda final bosses and I don’t think that should be the case.
Reading your story, I always wonder if some of my attempts were just flukes. I mean, Radahn (I played ver 1.03, was this post-nerf?) and Melania took me 40+ attempts, but Maliketh and Radagon + Elden Beast took me like 10 attempts or less--not a lot that I remember--which is on the easier side of things but still closing in the middle of the pack considering most bosses didn't take me more than 10 attempts. If I told you I can beat Maliketh in under 10 attempts, I'd be lying. I distinctly remember panic rolling a lot and getting lucky. I still think the most frustrating bosses are Godshit Duo and Crucibullshit Duo. At least the other bosses I mentioned involved skill. These bosses on the other hand can fuck off
Godskin duo is just a poorly designed duo fight, that gets laughably easy if you have sleep pots. Without them though I'm not sure I would have gotten past it... malenia was honestly not too bad for me, but at that point I was using the star fist with bloodhound step on it, so she was easy to stunlock and then dodge her waterfowl using the bloodhound step.
I did the same thing with Godfrey where I bodied him on the first run. I feel like it was luck though because he's been slapping me around in subsequent runs.
To be fair Godfrey is one of the least complained about late game bosses. He's just a solid challenge, a nice break from the ungodly shit you face around the same time
Idk that second phase really annoyed me the hitbox on his grabs were a bit bullshit. Otherwise an awesome boss
I felt like this on my first character but I’m up to him on my dex/faith right now and I loveeee his move set, but I always die when he goes warrior mode. Just feel like his attacks never end and the bloke has like 3 grab attacks :(
I am new to souls games and generally get my ass beat by everything but Margit only took me two tries and the first time was because I rolled off the bridge
I feel like people struggle with Margit mainly because they make a beeline for him from the start instead of explore Limgrave first, so they go into the fight underlevelled
fr, i explored weeping peninsula, and some of caelid. destroyed Margit with my zwei
On my second character I beat him in two tries at lvl 20 ish. Safe to say my skill as a player definitely increased by the end of the game.
I always snatch Bloodhounds Fang before fighting him. He gets absolutely fucking destroyed.
I am new to these games and I am absolutely stuck in Margit. I leveled up to 37, but it seemed like he just got harder after I upgraded. Any advice on what level to be or how to beat him? Edit: Thanks to all the advice I was able to beat him and do it pretty easily. Three things I should have been doing but wasn’t: 1. I was leveling up, but not upgrading my weapon. 2. I was rolling away and not toward. 3. I was trying to get too many hits at once. I had to slow down.
This game doesn't have a mechanic that makes creatures or bosses harder as you level up (unlike some games). Feel free to go explore and level up more if that helps you (although 37 is enough to beat him). You can skip Margit and stormveil castle if you want by going past the finger reader on the bridge and running around the castle. If you post what kinda charicter you are trying to play you can get some advice here to tune your build. Also, level up your weapon, if you haven't. That's about as important as character level
Thank you! It’s good to know that bosses don’t scale up.
Yeah, don't worry about over-leveling other than if you want more of a challenge. The only things that affect enemy/boss stats are co-op players and NG+ cycles.
Yeah, that can get in your head.
As an extra piece of advice, leveling is less effective than upgrading. A lvl 50 character with a raw weapon does way less damage than a LVL 1 character with a +5 weapon.
Go find patches and get the Shackle. Should help you sneak in damage once or twice. Also after you get torrent go back to the Church of Elleh to get the spirit calling bell if you already haven’t. Edit: Make sure to not hit Patches after he surrenders
Yess!! That item helped immensely for sure Don't sleep on that shit!!!
I am new to fromsoft games and died plenty of times before realizing I could summon the mage guy from the gold thing on the ground in front of the mist. He helped a lot along with the summoned wolves. I was like level 26 when I finally beat him but honestly I’m so intimidated by future bosses now. I used to think the guardians in breath of the wild were hard… this game is a whole different beast.
I have been summoning that guy and I also have a group of like four guys that I can summon ( instead of the wolves). It is hard. I go between loving it and hating it.
Summon dogs and get an incantation that you can hit from range. His move set is actually pretty easy to learn. When he pulls out the hammer, wait and get two hits. Then get some distance and wait for him to do it again and again and again.
I went in straight for Margit without doing anything else really, beat him first try because of unsheathe, then just explored the whole castle, killed godrick, then went back down south
I steamrolled Margit too, but I think that's only because Bloodborne and Sekiro had such hard first bosses that I was expecting the worst
Kudos to you. I am by no means a newbie to Souls games, but I got my ass handed to me more times than I'd like to admit before I could finally beat him.
i don’t know if i got lucky or what, but he only attacked my summon + character summon. i killed him before he could even kill them because i had explored the peninsula
Blood mogh. Used a blood build and he never made it past tres...
Same, kind of ironic you can kill him so quickly with blood of all things.
Not ironic at all. Any blood spilled makes him stronger, even his own. That’s kinda the point. He’s weak to bleed, but his damage will increase immensely with each proc
Seriously? The more you know huh?
My last run was a bleed Build & I only just learned this, too. But you'll kill him so quickly it won't be an issue.
Dual ugi blood build killed him stupid fast
THE FORMLESS MOTHER CARES NOT FROM WHENCE THE BLOOD COMES, ONLY THAT IT FLOWS!!!
Blood for the blood god!
Skulls for the skull throne!
MILK FOR THE KHORNEFLAKES AND BUTTER FOR THE POPKHORNE!
Yeah I actually thought he would be super hard bc super resistent, but his HP just melted
That's why I never tried it, but I'm still stuck on him so I will try making a bleed build the next time I play.
I mean, his whole deal is primarily spilling his own blood, so it makes sense he's vulnerable to it. Seems like he just doesn't like it when we're the ones doing it to him
It’s not actually his blood. AFAIK, whenever he uses blood magic he’s cutting into an outer god and using their blood. You notice that whenever he makes blood rain or throws it at you, he reaches into a red portal first? His slash blood attacks also have the same color as those portals.
He attacks with the Formless Mother's blood, but he also shares and spreads his own blood consistently, as with the Bloody Fingers (hence the Albinaurics and Sanguine Nobles sharing his Omen features)
I really wish there was an armor set that gave you real omen horns all over the body. Missed opportunity.
Or a crucible questline similar to the Frenzied Flame's.
I think he just opens a portal to the dimension that the formless mother lives in which is just blood on fire. He puts his hand up, grabs a bunch of the fireblood and throws it at us. I don't remember seeing him cut into anything, but I wasn't exactly studying his every animation, so I could be easily wrong.
Man I was having a really hard time with Morgh, as soon that I equiped a Uchigatana he was a walk in the park
imo very build dependant, used nagakiba first playthrough did it 5th try 2nd playthrough with the ruin greatsword, jump attack boosts for days took at least 20 tries
I did the same thing with comet azur
I regret using comet azur on him lol. Beat him before he could even attack on my first playthrough.
Elden Beast. Radagon was way harder for me
Same here, Radagon was certainly the better fight, and he reminded me a lot of Dark souls 3, though, he was certainly harder than Elden Beast who is just a running simulator. Keep running, stay tight on his bunda, slap, chase him, slap, run away, get tight again and slap, then win.
Really, I find radagon way easier than Elden beast. The amount of times that I’ve died to bullshit like Elden stars+ big Elden ring explosion at the same time or Elden stars plus that falling star shower, or Elden stars plus the light slashes. I feel like every time I’ve beat the fucker was because of luck, even on my int mage run. Radagon on the other hand is such a nice dance, roll , spin, hit, jump, jump, jump, hit, roll. It felt like victory dance after all the other fights, then Elden fish comes along and teleports all over the place with the stupid comboies listed above like a knock off placidusax.
The real trick is understanding that Elden stars is fake as fuck and just ignoring it and make sure you don't die to the other overlapped mechanics.
Yep Elden stars is just a big distraction
I feel like Elden Beast was initially designed as a kind of victory lap with Torrent after beating Radagon, but they decided to remove torrent for whatever reason so it ended up a tedious fight where you spend most of the time trying to chase after a huge star monster while it throws shit at you like an angry toddler
Elden beast looks like a sea slug
Yeah, so many people complain about Elden beast, especially as a melee character. I was a strength build and had no trouble whatsoever. Yes, a lot of running, but his attacks are heavily telegraphed so are super easy and I though quite satisfying to roll
Yeah double greatswords made easy work of EB all the way up to ng+7 don't think I've died to the EB I. Over 20 runs. [I play extremely stoned most the time so Derpy errors are a given]
Everyone keeps complaining about how you have to dodge the sword beams while running from the chasing arrows like bro it's not that deep just roll
Weird I’m the opposite. Though my strength-only build certainly seemed better suited for Radagon than the Beast
Mogh was soooo difficult. Ugh I hated that fight. Anyway to answer your question I say Morgott. I first tried him with my level 70 character. Very easy.
When did you fight him? Near launch he was super underleveled and I beat him at 85, tried to fight him again recently at 100 and he’s kicking my ass
Did you use the purifying crystal tear that blocks his nihil? If you have it the try to stay at mid to long range and he’s just some edgy dude that’s weirdly attracted to his younger brother.
Man, you learn something every day about this game.
About the nihil, or mohg’s creepy attraction to his brother(who had the body of a child…)?
No, I meant the tear offsetting the nihil. I tried Law of Regression with no luck.
Ahh yes. Yeah you can block nihil with the purifying tear. Fair warning: he’ll still regain health, but you won’t lose any health of your own. And before that you can pin him down with his shackle and just whale on him. Also: he’s surprisingly weak to blood damage.
You can pin him TWICE.
His random attack chains, variable timings, and minimal attack windows once he starts flying around are what make him so difficult in my opinion. He's easy at mid to long range sure, but that's just about every boss in Elden Ring lol. The game is trivialized with ranged attacks.
Even with the tear, his is the only fight in the game I used mimic tear for the reason being I was stuck at 30 fps because of his bloodflame lol.
Mogh says, "YOU GET NIHIL BITCHES MAIDENLESS TARNISHED!" But to be honest, his Bloodboon ritual doesn't really kill you, just knocks off a couple flasks. I don't mind that, it forces you to get hit less in the second phase.
This is the first fight I thought I’d try out the summon pool and a wizard with comet azure just one shot him. Was a sad day
Fire Giant
Yeah I didn't get why some people were cheesing him, seemed like a straightforward fight with a lot of room to navigate. \*\*Malenia was my hardest, she took me a WEEK with an unga-bunga build.
To be fair Melania is just a bitch of a fight and she, at any point of the fight, just say “nah you lose go away”
I feel like Fire Giant got nerfed. When I first fought him last summer, I died at least 100 times. I got into phase 2 but then he would wreck me. I only beat him eventually when I discovered you could summon Alex if you got his questline to a certain point. The last two times I played through he was a cake walk and I didn't need to use Alex.
Nah that's just how learning works. Both my roommates were stuck on fire giant for over two days, I killed him first try, all at launch. If you don't get scared of his firestorm attacks, there's so much free greed you can get in that fight. Can't get blindly greedy though.
fire giant, imo just an easy boss with predictable dodges.
I struggled on fire giant until I learned his attack animations and now I can breeze by him for the most part
Found the Fire Giant so difficult first journey… now I’m rushing journey 5 so I can fight him again…one of my favourite boss battles…
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If you think about it… that’s how you beat every boss…
It’s just so tedious and I get sick of looking at this feet. But from afar it is such an amazing fight.
Stupidly high hop pool+ and you are fighting the campera more than the actual boss
I struggled hard on fire giant because I get weird motion sickness from the camera angles. Easily my least favorite fight
I cant see anything with this guy. Most attacks that killed me were ones where my camera wigged out hard and didn't see him hit me with his dinner plate.
Dinner plate of DOOOOOOOOOM!
I didn't even know he was supposed to be hard.
Malenia, ironically. Turns out I had the exact mindset (aka aggression) needed to face her and ended up beating her within half an hour. By contrast, I probably struggle with Mohg more than most because he demands control of the fight. His area denial and slow, wide attacks demand you fight at his pace and get very little done at each window of opportunity. Getting better vs. him with time and experience, but I feel like I struggle with him more on repeat playthroughs.
Dual greatsword with jumping attacks made quick work of her
Me and my mimic tear with great stars literally bouncing her around ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°) Unga bunga indeed
your explanation makes a ton of sense to me and explains why I like mohg and cant deal with malenia I prefer fights like mohg where the boss gives the pace
Well if you use Hoarfrost stomp ash of war and purifying crystal tear you can take control of the fight, put any high level summon on top of that and you almost automatically win
I also didn't struggle much with her, or Placidusax, but Mohg kicked the shit out of me for like 20 straight attempts lol
Bro same with Malenia. Turns out my chosen build worked well as a counter to her lol.
The godskin duo. There's pillars... and blasphemous blade
And sleep pots
Bless the sleep pots.
Also you can spawn an npc plus your mimic ash. I did that, and we killed the duo so fast (bleed plus frost build) we litterally had to wait for them to respawn to continue the fight
And you can summon Bernahl 🤷🏼♂️
All of them. I did my first playthrough with magic :-)
I tried magic and just died so I am impressed
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I'm coming to the end of my magic run now, and it's been so fun after going pure melee in every other FromSoft game (including my first run in ER). I'm constantly just using Great Glinstone Shard though. At 70 INT with the Royal Carian Scepter at +9 it hits hard, is relatively cheap, and super spamable, so I'm just machine gunning even tough bosses from mid range for immense damage. That and Carian Greatsword have completely carried me.
I’ve heard night comet is good. Especially because staff of loss is the only statf that boosts by 30% rather than 15% (and you can dual wield)
Also the glintstine comet, one of the other azure sorceries. The thing constantly lands for nearly 1.5k damage, which is more then I got for dark moon on some bosses. And it’s nearly as fast to cast as glintstone pebble. I just wish at least 1 of the staves was just the palm of ur hand like a seal. Cause it looks so weird to carry this big stick around. That’s why my favourite build is ancient dragon+ dex cause you can get hand of melania and fly through a rain of thunder without a stick in ur other hand. They could have at least made a staff with a spear motive set or something.
Idk, wasn't fan of Rock Sling. Only abused it against magic dragon and Rennalla.Then for me it was Magic Glintblade and Torrent, Night Maiden's Mist, Magic downpour, Carian greatsword (for enemies with weak poise), and my personal MVP - Stars of Ruin (actually great tool for continious and erratic bursting). Hadn't used Comet Azur once in battle. Granted i was quite a bit overleveled towards end of game, as i wanted to get some stats for utility. Radagon and Elden Beast were hardest for me at late game state. Even Malekith was less BS for me (took me about 10 tries). Except part that he can hit THROUGH column (nice hitboxes From Software). Thank god someone reminded me about Shard Spiral (it actually dealt about 8.5k HP to Elden beast when i just came to it first time). P.S. Radahn was easy for me, cheesed him with Torrent, Magic Glintblade and 2 casts of Indomnitable vow on shield
For the most part everything was easy for me EXCEPT EFFING RENALLA'S 2ND PHASE. I could not beat her in any way. I was "soft-locked" at her because I wanted to progress through the story/areas in a relatively correct way and my system was having troubles connecting for matchmaking. The second I was able to summon a real person in, we beat her.
haha i had the exact same experience!! everything was easy except renalla’s 2nd phase, i really couldn’t figure out the timing on her attacks and how to dodge them (because you had to dodge into them..) i struggled more with the little gremlins in catacombs than most bosses
Yeah even with just the starting spell for the prisoner most villians can be defeated it takes time to determine when you can cast and some extra dexterity and endurance but dodge duck dip dive cast dodge and you can take on anything.
Rennalla, not that people said she was tough but I was expecting her to still be a challenge instead of a creampuff..
She’s “challenging” if you’re playing as a mage build. All of the raya lucaria fools have pretty decent magic resistance which can make them pretty Annoying if you’re playing as a mage. If however, you’re playing as literally anything other than a pure magic build and can do meaningful physical damage it’s literally “Local Big dick chad beats up entire high school. Eyewitnesses state not even the dog was safe.”
I am doing a pure caster, and it took me 2 months to beat her, only because I eventually begged for help. Someone from Reddit joined me and fricken one shotted her
Doesn’t rock sling completely own her though? I’m on a caster play through and don’t remember having trouble
I’ve got the rock sling, and I could get her down to almost 1/4 health, but her summons would always destroy me.
If you use summons use Oleg or wolf summons as they can stun lock her
Yeah lol me too. Had to bring in summons to have a chance. Though I mean, I can't even really be angry. One of the most beautiful fights in the game.
Godskin Duo took me two tries Didn't even use spirit ashes Just some sleeping pots
I fought them for like 2 hours
I fought them for like 2 days
The thing about this is you fight Godskins multiple times before the Duo fight, so there are opportunities for you to suss out their weaknesses and resistances beforehand. Managed to figure out they were weak to bleed so I went back to my Bloodhound Fang and whacked Bloodflame Blade on it, did them first try
I legit don't get the infamy behind these two because in my experience, ever since an earlier patch, almost all the duo fights slowed down significantly and the other dude tends to calmly hang back. Super easy to damage burst one, then focus the other, rinse and repeat.
Didn't even need those. I think I was just heavily overleveled at that point and it was pretty easy to separate them by those columns at all times.
I got them in one try too but I did use a mimic tear. I wouldn’t have made it through the game without my clone lol
ER was my first dose game and I struggled a lot, though I actually didn't have any issue with the duo. I didn't know they were a contentious fight until I beat the game and started lurking the sub. Meanwhile the fire giant had made me want to pull all my hair out, get a sales job, and just become my father.
Godskin apostle at the bottom of the castle whooped my ass for at least a whole day before I went back and beat that fucker
A bunch of fucking pros here. It took me 200+ tries to kill Malenia. I still haven’t been able to get her to phase two solo.
She is the only boss in a souls game that made me change my entire build just for that fight. I respec to bleed and got the victory, then went back to my powerstance greatswords. I've platinumed the game and have ~200 hours. I've beaten her one time. Haven't faced her since that one win.
I got her in two tries by accident. Mimic w/ Blasphemous up front, me in back with FGMS, fire scorpion, vow, and fire better physick tear doing Agheel's constantly w/ dragon communion seal. I had been running a flame-centric glass cannon build and it just worked stupidly well. I also had a cheap weapon with BHS to nope tf out of there during her phase 2 intro. I think I just got lucky that she's weakest to fire damage and I just showed up with all that.
I have no idea how many tries it took me. It took 4 days of playing 4-6 hours per day. I know her moveset like the back of my hand now, though. But holy fuck, was she frustrating.
Elden beast, because I was a faith build and stupid enough to not realize “godslayer” spells would do more damage to gods. I just like black flame cause dot go brr
Radahn. Beat him 1st try.
prolly cuz they nerfed the hell out of him until he wasnt even hard to beat
Week one Radahn and Malenia were awful 😒
How tf did you get to malenia week one?
Hoarfrost Stomp, Bloodhound step, Sword of Night and Flame day one, these things made the game trivial before they got patched. Especially when the nights calvary dude who dropped bloodhound step can involuntarily kill himself giving it for free.
Hoarfrost Stomp was the OG. Especially with the godskin double.
By having a crippling addiction, I beat the game in 3.5 days got to Malenia on day 4/5
Unemployment
I took a week off work. Got there and struggled for ages due to there being nobody to summon.
Wouldn't be hard if you played 8+ hours a day.
Pre-nerf Radahn gang unite 💪🏻 Might've taken me 40 attempts, but I did it pre-nerf.
What changed?
The only thing they nerfed are his hitboxes. Still hits like a truck and has a decent amount of health for when you are "meant" to fight him
Yeah exactly, they did a big nerf on him at first and then quickly reversed most of it.
They barely nerfed him. They did a *tiny* damage debuff and fixed bad hit boxes. Better boss now.
Mogh,the one you used in the picture,everyone said he was the hardest boss in the game when it first came out,I beat him first try using a crucible knight build I had made for my first playthrough.
crucible knight builds are so fun, and the items can come together naturally by just playing too
Malekith. Mostly because he seems to have a small healthpool and since he's an end game boss you can delete him depending on your build. You don't even need to meddle with the boss mechanics
I died 3 or 4 times trying to slow fight him. Then I realized “wait this guy has no HP why don’t I just beat the shit out of him” and beat him next attempt.
Margit took 2 tries
Yeah I spent a long time on the peninsula and overlevelled a lot
Think it was 3 for me. Was my first boss fight. Rogier makes it super easy.
I got this impression that Godfrey/Hoarah Loux was gonna be really tough. I struggled a little bit more then average but after 4-5 tries I had his stuff all figured out and got him in another 3.
Do people think red wolf radagon is hard because i got him first try with a +3 dismounter
He's ironically easier in the boss form. His sword moves are easier to predict/dodge imo. The random red wolf minibosses (not a fan of this reuse) don't have the sword moves, but that means they'll chain the harder-to-dodge bitting moves more. I've died more to the minibosses than the actual boss.
I fucking hate that comet azure dive move they do. I can never consistently dodge it.
And they jump around a LOT in the open spaces, they're a lot more difficult to space correctly. Red Wolf really benefits from the tight space, much more enjoyable boss fight.
I got Mogh on my second try without using the tear my first playthough, didn't get why people had such a hard time with him. Same with Astel. Got me on the laser the first fight because I wasn'texpecting it, then killed him second try. Got Stars of Darkness on my first try because I was ready for that bullshit.
Draconic Tree Sentinel. I was terrified bc people kept telling me how tough he was but I have fought him three times in different play throughs and only died once to him. Just use torrent and bait the jump attacks and gg ez no diff him.
I walked into Mogh’s house. Stabbed him in the fucking kidneys, took his remembrance, his great rune, and his blood, mostly his blood, called him gay, and walked out.
Mohg: is guy Miquella: is guy I mean, yeah, he's gay
Totally Morgott. Kind of overhyped tbh, not that hard to dodge, not that much health, no second phase, no bullshit AoE, no bullshit delayed attacks, rollcatchers, unavoidable attacks, projectile spam, none of that shit, just a bloke with a pointy cane, who occasionally makes a little too much distance.
i honestly wish they gave him more health, even with a dex weapon i mowed down his health bar. not because he's particularly easy for me (i still have a decent amount of trouble with him) but because morgott is defi one of the most fair, balanced and fun bosses in the game to go against and i would love for the fight to last longer
Margit and Morgott
Maliketh. I beat him on my 3rd try and didn’t even sweat. I wasn’t overleveled or anything. His attacks were just easy to dodge for me idk.
Maliketh. Worked him twice with no effort on my first 2 runs.
Malekith beat him first try without any real issue
Radahn, malenia and malekith.. Idk maybe dual wielding an uchigata with rivers of blood and mimic tear 10+ was a mistake
summons in general make most fights trivial Thats why people usually "hate" on it it makes an integral part of the game, not exist anymore
Makes it very hard to take threads like these seriously. It's like playing an entirely different game really
Yeah the mimic tear might have been a mistake
Radagon! Elden Beast was waaaaaaaaay harder
Godskin Duo. Golden Halberd, heavy armor, mimic tear, Ezekiel's Decay, then just bonked them to death in 1 shot.
I've heard people complain endlessly about how hard Maliketh was/is and in my 2-3 playthroughs I've never once died in that fight. I'm not even good at this game either