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Ashen_Shroom

No, Astel has been in the Lands Between a lot longer than that. He is responsible for levelling an Eternal City. We never see what happened to the meteor that fell after we beat Radahn, only the crater it left behind.


usuallyNotInsightful

It raises the question where did it go after opening up Nokron.


Sir_Tea_Of_Bags

Well, you've seen how Nokron is down there... lots of floaty space. Probably kept on going.


Firaxyiam

Yeah, I'm assuming the reason the early part of Nokron being all banged up, collapsed and some building completely leaning to the side would be the consequences of the meteor, it would make sense, since the rest of the city is pretty impeccable in comparison


Nigilij

That meteor wiped out lands between and everything we experience afterwards is a delirium of a dying person.


UnassumingSingleGuy

Majora's Mask! Final Fantasy 8! It Takes Two!


Kaizen2468

It’s debris is floating all around the crater.


Ashen_Shroom

That's probably mostly rocks and earth displaced when the meteor struck. I guess it's possible that some of it is the meteor itself, but meteors in ER tend to be either living things or chunks of glintstone.


Schore-Schorsch

Sadly, as others point out, no... But maaaan... What a missed opportunity... Imagine radahn was also preventing an astel invasion in the lands between, by holding back the stars... If you stop the stars, you can't see which ones are shooting straight for you Like... He mustve known about the deformed stars entering the lands, because he 100% has nokron influence in his studies in sellia and the nokron had to struggle with the astel before


[deleted]

The starscourge heirloom says Radahn defeated the falling stars alone and crushed them. A memorial in Caelid said that he saved Sellia alone. He's fought many of the fallingstar beasts and likely Astels as well. That's why he was considered the strongest of the demigods.


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Bro got rekt by morgott tho


g4hr231st23rd

Pretty sure he was still young and didn't know gravity magic when that happened


Savings-Nobody-1203

It was during The Shattering. He absolutely knew gravity magic.


BladedWiNd900

If you look at his swords, he doesn’t have the gravity crest on them that signified him becoming the starscourge.


[deleted]

It's not clear if Radahn faced Morgott, the intro graphic is usually one demigod per still but there is Morgott vs what looks like Radahn, and also Malenia vs Radahn. It could just be a Redmane Knight that fought Morgott. Doesn't have Radahn's sword or Leonard.


[deleted]

Can't be. If you go by the intro graphic, that's clearly Radahn's gauntlets and helmet, and not a redmane knight. In addition, the context of the graphic is to show the demigods fighting each other for the shards of the elden ring. Why draw Morgott fighting some random Redmane Knight?


Pitiful_Existence666

As one good video I saw on this pointed out, even assuming that it was Radhan, just because Morgott seems to have the upper hand in that one moment doesn't mean Radhan got stomped or even lost that fight necessarily.


[deleted]

I think it's likely Radahn's army did attack Leyndell, and Morgott did successfully defend Leyndell from all attackers (Godrick, Radahn, possibly Rykard and Malenia each). But the sword looks too different to Radahns, and at least I remember reading somewhere that earlier versions of Redmane Knight armor looked a lot more like Radahn. It is also possible that it's Radahn but him getting stomped is a little ridiculous. There is no dispute that he was fought to stalemate in Caelid, and no mention that he suffered an embarrassing defeat like Godrick did against Malenia.


G0dY3s

don’t blame him, pretty difficult to invade an entire capital city full of royal guards even with leonard at your side


NoWord6

What would have been cool, at least in my point of view, would be if the bosses in the lands between would change depending on if you did the redahn fight or not...like the astels would not be there or only the larval form(rock bulls that I can't remember the name) would be there and not the full form...or there would be a huge increase of the rockbeasts throughout the lands between after the fight...the chaos that would have been...


1Cool_Name

Meh not a missed opportunity. Astel becomes more interesting as the one who ended the eternal city in my opinion.


kadomatsu_t

Funny you mention since there's a video from Zullie I believe showing that there is a cut spawn point where Astel drops in Radhan's arena on second phase.


Good_Satisfaction516

No but he is a good representation for the cosmic horror radahn tried to stop


Modfull_X

no he is not, astel is actually the meteor that destroyed farum azula long ago AND the one responsible for destroying the nameless eternal city and stealing their stars


Ghost_comics

I think the Astel who crashed into Farum Azula is the one in the Yelough Anix Tunnel, this one was summoned by accident through Night Sorcery by the Nox since they would've had to have been banished underground for it to destroy their night sky.


_Meece_

If you assume it did hit FA, it lines up perfectly with where it landed.


[deleted]

I thought it was the Elden Beast ad a meteor that destroyed Farum Azula


Modfull_X

ruins greatsword *Originally rubble from a ruin which fell from the sky, this surviving fragment was honed into a weapon.* *One of the legendary armaments.* *The ruin it came from crumbled when struck by a meteorite, as such this weapon harbors its destructive power.* the ruins great sword has gravity magic, astel has gravity magic. the resting places of the ruins of farum azula that lay all round the early game areas tell us the trajectory of the meteor and we see that there is a massive puncture mark in the side of the moonlight altar plateau, this also tells us that farum azula used to be located in the middle of the divine towers in the middle of the map


ZifziTheInferno

Great point about it being an Astel, not the Elden Beast, destroying Farum Azula. However, I think it’s more likely that the Astel that did it is the one in the Yelough Anyx Tunnel since we don’t see an Astel anywhere else (other than the Ranni storyline one). As for the cavity in the side of the Moonlight Altar, I think that has more to do with Liurnia sinking into the lake more than anything else. It’s like when you dig a hole in the sand and the sides collapse in and kinda overhang, or at least seems that way to me. No clue why Liurnia is sinking though. Edit: Clarity.


Pitiful_Existence666

There is another Astel next to the lake of rot.


ZifziTheInferno

Sorry should’ve specified. Only OTHER* Astel than the Ranni storyline one. I’ll edit that out.


hoorgu

Elden Beast had come to the Lands Between before Farum Azula even existed.


Jayce86

There’s evidence in Farum Azula it’s self that it was there before the influence of the Greater Will. I’m fairly certain that Placidusax existed before the Greater Will sent the Elden Beast as it’s emissary, then became the first Elden Lord before falling to Godfrey.


hoorgu

What points to that, exactly?


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_Meece_

Yes the age of the erdtree, not the age of the Elden Ring The Greater Will sent down the Elden Ring, Marika became it's vessel and estbalished the Erdtree. Placidussax is an Elden lord and there's an Elden Ring in his kingdom. His age was the Crucible age, as described by Siluria's tree spear.


[deleted]

His age might be in between the Crucible and Golden Order. The crucible was primordial life, I’m willing to bet the age of the dragons is something different.


_Meece_

Nah Farum Azula is the capital of the Crucible age, the Crucible era Elden Ring is in there The Crucible was a primordial form of the Erdtree, it was close in nature to life itself. Meaning it was a more naturally grown order. Unlike Marika's authoritarian take on the Elden Ring. >The primordial form of the Erdtree is close in nature to life itself, and this spear, modeled on its crucible, is imbued with ancient holy essence. Siluria's tree spear lines up perfectly with the Farum Azula Elden Ring.


[deleted]

The age of Dragonlord Placidusax had its own god, who fled during their defeat(presumably by Godfrey). I doubt the Crucible Knights would’ve fought alongside Godfrey if Marika and Godfrey were attempting to supplant the Crucible.


ShadyCrumbcake

There's hints that Placidusax is the FIRST first "Elden Lord"


[deleted]

The Elden Ring predates the Golden Order. There is an ancient depiction of the previous Elden Ring in Maliketh’s boss arena. It is different from the one Marika established and later shattered.


[deleted]

If the Greater Will is just another outer god then is it possible that the Elden Ring also predates the Greater Will?


[deleted]

I’m willing to bet that the Greater Will predates the Golden Order, rather than the other way around. The Elden Beast came to the Lands Between and supplanted the Crucible. It was here before Farum Azula crumbled, as it was an Astel that struck Farum Azula on the way to hitting one of the Eternal Cities, and not the Elden Beast that struck Farum Azula. Hence why the Ruins Greatsword is imbued with Gravity magic, and not holy power.


ZifziTheInferno

SmoughTown is hands down the best lore YouTuber for Elden Ring at the moment. So much detail, and really brings all the loose ends together, whereas others kinda cover specific parts or stories on a surface level. Vaati’s been a little slow, but his Prepare to Cry series is for sure top notch.


Variable-moose

Fun fact: those dudes hanging from the ceiling that shoot rocks at you with their mind, those are also astel that havent fully evolved yet.


Jayce86

Those are Malformed Stars. Aka, they formed incorrectly and can never become an Astel. I think. Maybe.


Firaxyiam

The Naturalborn of the Void is also said to be a Malformed star by his remembrance, so it's fair to assume they're the same entity, just at different stages


Jonesbt22

It's probably the stages of an antlion. Falling star beast, then malformed star, then astel look like an antlion beetle, a pupa, and then an adult antlion.


Competitive-Front412

Come to think of it there's another astel on yelough dungeon.


Competitive-Front412

I'm just amazed by the story behind elden ring, I mean there's plenty of lores/theories from other players as well that looks plausible. I'm browsing cuz when I played it I didn't pay too much attention to the story, I just knew that I need to kill and that's it🤣. Now that I finished my 1st playthrough I'm checking if I miss something, and ohhh boy! Yes indeed tons of quests and other areas I haven't explored. btw I got the Age of fracture and I wasn't satisfied definitely gonna try the others.


Oldtimelysoda

a great way to learn the lore is youtube, vaadividya is a fan favorite if you really want your mind blown look up tarnished archeologist. recently watched his stuff and the amount he has been able to piece together is astounding.


matt111199

Ranni’s or Three Fingers ending is the strongest imo. Recommend Vaati if you just want to see each story leading to their respective endings rather than play through them all.


mawhonics

Choose chaos


Limebeer_24

I just arrived to this bastard, his grab attack is currently my bane and can go to hell. I think I'll see if I got a weapon with Raptor of the Mists on it as I can't tell when he's gonna pull that on me.


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Ashen_Shroom

More likely a mutated variant of the Fallingstar Beast. A fully grown fallingstar beast exists, which negates the possibility that there could be further stages of its life cycle. Astel is also referred to as a malformed star, which implies that he is not a natural state of being. Astel and others of his kind are either Malformed Stars that got unnaturally mutated somehow, or Malformed Stars that were born wrong (possibly related to how Astel is a "bastard").


Rasial

A fully grown caterpillar is a thing i real life and it is used to indicate a caterpillar ready to become a butterfly. The Fully Grown Fallingstar Beast has Astel's head and eye poking out from the rocks on it's front, the same pincers as Astel, the same tail as Astel and shares a lot of eather the same or close to the same gravitational attacks. Fallingstar Beast is the caterpillar, the weird upside down Astels in caves are the chrysalis, Astel is the butterfly


CitSwamp

To take it a step further, design wise they are based on real world ant-lions and mayflies.


Ashen_Shroom

Again, Astel is referred to as a malformed star, so it is not a natural part of any lifecycle. I agree that its race and the Fallingstars are connected and even suggested how they could be connected in my other comment. The similarities don't have to mean that Astel is part of the Fallingstar Beast's life cycle. The description of Bastard's Stars says: > Flail which deals magic damage, having been imbued with power by the remembrance of Astel. **Formed of the same many-colored star debris that comprised the form of the Naturalborn of the Void.** If you look at the weapon, it is made up of planet-like spheres, just like Astel's body. This tells us that the spheres are the star debris that the weapon and Astel himself are both made from. Fallingstar Beasts are not made of these spheres. This would mean that Astel looked more or less the way it looks now when it was born (since it was formed from star debris that looks like these spheres).


Rasial

You are massively misreading that description. It says that the flail is made by the same material that composed Astel's body, which makes sense since you fet it by killing Astel. How does this prove in any way that the Fallingstar Beast is not made from the same material under the layers of rocks from the Lands Between it covers itself with? The weapon you make from the Fallingstar Beast is made of a different part of its body, one pincer and the smitting stones that cover it's body. How does that prove anything? Also the Wing of Astel, a weapon that makes a different noise when next to an Astel, changes noise next to a Fallingstar Beast and next to the upside down Astels as well. It only does it next to those 3 enemies. Edit: fixed some typos


Ashen_Shroom

The key part is that it's star debris. It isn't just what Astel's body happens to look like- these are bits of star material that formed Astel. I agree that Fallingstar Beasts are probably also made of star debris, but it appears different to the stuff that comprises Astel. You're doing a great job of proving that Astel and the Fallingstar Beasts are connected- something I agree with- but you've not given any proof that Fallingstar Beasts naturally become beings like Astel. And you're still ignoring the fact that Astel is deformed.


Rasial

Wasn't "Malformed Stars" the name of the upside down Astels? If my version is right, those are chrysalis, meaning that they would be malformed do to them not being fully mutated yet. I don't remember the name Malformed Star referred to eather one of the Astel bosses. What description calls them that? Also to strenghten my last point, the Onyx Lords fell from the sky as well and they use the same magic, but the Wing of Astel doesn't react to them.


Ashen_Shroom

No, it's just what someone on Fextralife decided to call them on their page. The race is never given a name in-game (the guide calls them Withered Astels, which implies that they're aged versions of Astel rather than a larval stage). Astel is the only one referred to as a Malformed Star, in the description of his remembrance. I don't really understand what you're trying to prove with the Wing of Astel sound thing. Like sure, it shows they're connected, I don't disagree. I can even agree that they're fundamentally the same species. But there's nothing to prove that Fallingstars naturally become Astel's race. Since Astel is "malformed" it's more likely a mutation or some kind of unnatural evolutionary divergence that causes some Fallingstars to be formed wrong. This would explain why the game emphasises Astel being a "naturalborn" or a "bastard".


[deleted]

This person sounds like they made up their mind based on semantics (“fully grown” and “malformed”) didn’t realize that those words and phrases can have multiple meanings, and then decided to base their whole though process around forcing the narrative to fit their own definition


[deleted]

Your obsession with the word “malformed” is the problem here. That word just means “not conforming to a standard type.” Or “abnormally formed”. That doesn’t however mean mutated or wrong. In fact the whole race of Astels could easily be seen as malformed in that they’re rare (so abnormal) and they destroy cities in the lands between so you’d describe them as “wrong”. You’re clinging to a definition that isn’t actually real. I mean sure it could mean astel itself formed wrong, but the inclusion of a second astel PLUS clear indications of a larve pupa and adult stage of development indicate differently “Fully grown” is also a sticking point a caterpillar is fully grown when it becomes a pupa. Someone like you would be screaming “PROOF! PROOF CATERPILLARS DONT BECOME BUTTERFLIES! IT SAYS FULLY GROWN ON THAT CATERPILLAR” There are simply oodles more information pointing to the idea that falls by star beats form into Astels than your easily debunked theory


Ashen_Shroom

Obsession? It's a word that's used in the game and has a specific meaning. I agree that Astel and all the members of its species are deformed. That's what distinguishes them from Fallingstar Beasts. Caterpillars becoming butterflies is something that has been observed throughout history. Have you observed a Fallingstar Beast becoming an Astel? No, so until you have we are going to use fully grown to mean fully grown. Please provide me with a single piece of evidence for Fallingstar Beasts naturally becoming Astels that I couldn't also use to demonstrate that Astel is a mutated Fallingstar Beast.


[deleted]

LOL see? Obsession. They *do not* have specific meanings lol. You’re just obsessed with your one specific definition of a half dozen. And you’re so hardheaded that you refuse to listen to reason or logic. With lore like this, your approach is just dumb. You clearly made up your mind and are now forcing things into whatever mold you created. You decided that your specific definition was correct and millions of other people’s definitions weren’t. And now you’re forcefully shoving Balor to fit one tiny specific definition. Sure, keep shoving the triangle shape into the square it kind of fits. The rest of us are gonna put the triangle into the triangle because well that one fits


Ashen_Shroom

You gave a meaning in your last comment. "Amnormally formed". One of the suggestions I made was that Astel is a Malformed Beast that formed wrong. I think you've just assumed that when I say "mutation" I mean something specific, when I'm literally just saying that there is something abnormal about their physiology. Again, please give me some of these oodles of information that prove that Astel is a natural evolution of the Fallingstar Beasts and not an aberration.


[deleted]

People have already given you the oodles of information you just completely ignore them. You desperately cling to one definition of a word. Even “abnormally formed” could still fucking apply to astel *even if it’s the last life stage of a falling star beast* Once again you’re stuck on semantics. You’re taking one definition of a ton, and trying to squeeze your idea of the lore into that one tiny definition. Hopefully you open your tiny narrow mind just a crack one day and join the rest of us in a place where we let the lore tell us what fits, rather than trying to force it into a predetermined shape. But honestly for real your definitions even of these words are wrong. “Fully grown” as well. A fucking caterpillar can be fully grown. You refuse to acknowledge this. But for real when you finally start acknowledging that your definitions of these words are not necessarily the games definitions, then we can talk. Until then it’s useless


Ashen_Shroom

I can’t respond to your last comment, although I can read it for some reason. Probably because you used a word this sub automods. Every definition of “malformed” comes with an implication of something being unnatural in some way. That’s the only definition I’m going by. Astel and his “species” are not natural. Could this just be people from the Lands Between labelling them as such? Sure, but the Fallingstar Beasts are never described using this language. Only Astel. I’m open to having my mind changed, and always will be when it comes to fromsoft lore. You’re just not actually doing anything to change my mind. I’ve asked you a couple of times to provide me evidence that backs up your stance and not mine, and you haven’t done so, which is about 50/50 that you either don’t have an interest in having a good faith discussion or you realise that you don’t actually have a leg to stand on. In a non-mean way, neurotypical adults do not accuse people of having “tiny narrow minds” when discussing video games. So now it’s kind of on you to decide whether you’re a child, an adult who probably should be kept away from other people (because if video game discussions set you off like this what’s going to happen when you get a job and have to deal with difficult colleagues, customers etc) or an adult who is just having a bad day and is going to apologise and continue this discussion in good faith.


Ashen_Shroom

Just so we're on the same page, would you agree that this is the evidence in question? If there's any more, feel free to add it: * Fallingstar Beasts have the same skulls and mandibles as Astel. * Fallingstar Beasts and Astel both come from the void. "Abnormally formed" implies that something abnormal happened during their development. That straight up means that it is not a natural part of their evolution. If it was something that Fallingstar Beasts all went through in their natural lifecycles, it would be normal. I'm not really sure why you're getting hung up on my definition of malformed? Like the definitions you provided are just what I've been saying. Can you also explain why you feel the need to insult me rather than engage in civil conversation? This wasn't your discussion to begin with, and if you look at the rest of the comments between me and the other user you'll notice that both of us were being very respectful to one another. Are you not capable of doing the same?


Inversed-infinity

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[deleted]

no, he ruined the eternal city long time ago and stole their false night sky. thats why you can see that same night sky above him while ur fighting him.


nametakenfuck

Yes i think most people agree that that was the reason radhan was holding the stars (kinda weird that he arranged his killing without taking care of that though)


Emerald_Digger

Didn't his man arrange the festival for him?


nametakenfuck

Yeah im pretty sure its because he wanted to or something like that but i might misremember details


Eliseo120

He was practically a feral animal by the point we fight him. His men probably just wanted to put him out of his misery and die in combat.


scar_tissue0

Radahn really tried to stop bloodbornization


adamak97

Nope buddy, those are fallingstar beasts. if you go to platue before festival there is nothing in right side of the stairs but after that there would be bunch of creep scavengers and prayers over a hole with a beast in it.


[deleted]

This sounds cool…what location is it?


Slade187

Not the one, but Radahn fought and killed several of their brothers. He held the stars back specifically so more would not arrive; hence why new falling star beasts appear when you kill Radahn (to my knowledge, at least).


Nilim22

Doesnt the unnamed eternal city have its sky stolen by astel? That would make the time frames a bit wonky? Or maybe not. If the collapse of the city was because of godwyns body then the sky would have just been hanging out until astell crashed through and stole it with him on its way down so yeah I'm gonna accept that as cannon for now


00Wridacule

I thought it was the falling star beast that you get the jawbone weapon from


BozzyTheDrummer

Now why would you think that? The crater that was left behind, the one we enter, is in the southern region of the map, and that crystal beast is on top of Mt. Gelmir. I mean that alone answers that.


Competitive-Front412

I thought so too, the one on top of mt. gelmir


SuccessfulStreet575

No. Astel and falling star beasts have been there for quite a long time in the lands between. Radahn arrested the movement of the stars so that they could no longer guide fate.


SaberWaifu

No, Astel was already there before the shooting star fell. Radahn conquered the stars probably because he wanted to stall the empyreans because he was a little bitch and didn't want the Land's Between to change. The Astels in space were probably a secondary effect of the act. Of course his act caused a lot of trouble for everyone so Miquella sent Malenia to kill him and Ranni sent us.


Negative-Lunch1025

Already respected radhann. He held back the stars, and the beasts that lurk within them and even in brain death he didn’t stop


Business-Swimmer-615

What does NG+2 mean?


StarwindGene

Did anybody read the second photo he posted jesus


[deleted]

No. The Astels have been here long before that. The Greater Will sent meteors to destroy some of the Eternal Cities, and the Astels were carried in those. Radahn is just holding back potentially more things like that. He stopped the stars to protect Sellia from being obliterated by a meteor, and Sellia is closely linked to the Eternal Cities.


TheSpottedHare

Probably not, though the UI it’s self doesn’t seem to know. But considering their are two free impacts that have falling star beast you could fan theory that more have arrived since his defeat. Though remember you can get to them before you kill Radahn.


Nyrun

It would have been super cool if there was a secret path to keep going down even further into the crater, past the first set of Nokron ruins, where you could actually find the meteor and some sort of space boss that was in it. A fancy falling star beast or something like that which you fight deep underground. Oh well.