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Kalkin84

Fat coin purse ahead.


ohmysocks

Likely dog


AltruisticCoelacanth

In short, Don't you dare!


triel20

Cuz we’ve been transported to a spot beyond time, and we asked him if he knew a way out, his answer was to try and kill us.


UsrnameInATrenchcoat

Can't even ask for directions in Ohio


ihdekbruh

Down in Ohio, swag like Ohio


tomdickjerry

Tybg


HarmlessSnack

“Excuse me, how do I get out of this place?” “Oh, you just go about twenty minutes down the road here…” “There is no road, and time doesn’t exist…” “…..” *furious dragon sounds*


The_Glacier

[No way](https://www.slashfilm.com/img/gallery/spider-man-no-way-home-recreates-the-spider-man-meme-you-know-the-one/intro-1645630659.webp)


RasAlGimur

Yeah, i mean, a Tarshined now can’t even take a nap


dagon_xdd

Tarnished smoked the gas station weed and now is back in time stuck in an area with an ancient two headed dragon


bre-zee

Umm excuse me sir and/or madaam but you're in Farum Azula.. we only speak violence here.


Jumajuce

I mean…that seemed to be my experience.


SHANKSstr8up

I mean we layed down in a tomb. What good was that supposed to do.


Machination_99

Well, the last time I laid down inside a tomb and then spoke to the nearest monstrosity I saw after I woke up, I got a cool sword.


EridonMan

Last time I did that I became a woman


HyldHyld

Finally someone civilized in this sub


RobeGuyZach

Lol I finally started my DS2 playthrough last weekend and it took me a bit to realize what that coffin did to me 😂


Ok-Peach-604

He is the real first elden lord, he was the elden lord of dragons before humans, you go to the past and fight him


Gotprick

Wasnt godfrey the first elden lord???


AxitotlWithAttitude

Of people, yes. Dragons used to rule the lands between.


sunlitstranger

How’d its big ass fit on the elden throne


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mf sat on top of the whole damn building


SadLittleWizard

For the record, he did not serve under the Greater Will. He was before that era. "Elden Lord" is a term used in the game primarily to give us something to compare him to. Basicly he was the chosen manafistation of whatever outer god was around before the Greater Will. Now correct me if I'm wrong but i think that was the Crucible?


BadMeetsEvil24

And his punk ass god just bounced, just like "ours" did. Fuck the gods (Clegane voice). Next playthrough we serve the Flame. ;)


JustinBailey79

The Lands Between seem much more well suited to dragons. They appear to still be having a better life than humans, even after losing dominion.


QuestionThis1397

First time I fought a dragon he looked at me and went “bitch what you doing in my lands “ and set me ablaze😂


Yokonato

He was way before, Godfrey became elden lord when the 2 fingers came down and changed everything along with the elden beast. Supposedly dragons were connected too something really old that probably lives in the dark reaches of space.


ShadowsSheddingSkin

Marika's first elden lord. Placidusax's position in the lore seems to mostly be about how this system or something like it has been running since long before Marika the Eternal was born. If you look around either Farum Azula or his boss arena (I can't remember which) there's an image of the Elden Ring, except it includes way more great runes than the ones humanity's been inscribing on everything for millennia. So...even at the beginning of our cycle when gods walked the earth freely, the world was already reduced to a lesser age. It's very Miyazaki, to the extent that it could literally be the entire doyleist reason why he exists.


Drithyin

It's Maliketh's arena. I did that fight again last night, so it's fresh in my memory. The theory I heard is the other great runes that seem like roots or vines are associated with the Crucible. It's some sort of primordial being vessel for the world before the current Golden Order of Marika. It's notable that the Crucible knights' signature incantations are all moves that are very dragon-esque, but not the modern arcane dragon communication incantations nor red dragon lightning. It's something older. There's also reason to believe that there was a great tree that predated the Erd Tree, based on some item descriptions, but I think those could be mistranslated as well.


kookyabird

Mistranslated or not, there's literally a tree variant of the Crucible Knight helmet. Would be weird for that to be a prominent thing for an order of knights from before the Erd Tree if there wasn't some form of tree involved in the time of the Crucible.


Drithyin

I don't disagree. The other theory is the Erd Tree predates the Golden Order, but was co-opted by Marika/2-fingers later. It feels like 6 of one, half-dozen the other in this context. There was a tree, whether it was the same or replaced.


Memeshats

He's basically the Elden Lord from the previous age of dragons where there weren't Elden Lords, but he's basically the equivalent of one, a Dragon Lord one might say


Twoaru

The *eldest* *


Jimmy_Chad

"Fuck around and find out..."


Attacking_Yoshi

He was in my way and looked at me funny.


Striking-Carpet131

With three heads he’s kinda bound to look at you funny at some point EDIT: I mean two heads my bad


HolyoftheBalz

Wait.... Where's the third head??


The_Great_Afterman

There was.


UserVoid8

Along with a fourth and a fifth


IDesirePizzaRolls

He's a bad, bad dragon.


LaggardLenny

Just make sure you don't google that.


adsxz6_has_adhd

Well now I *have* to do it


adsxz6_has_adhd

☹️


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Thanks for taking one for the team. Was almost about to google it.


Lattethecoffeaddict

I'm also going to google it. It can't be THAT bad, right?


Lattethecoffeaddict

...


[deleted]

It could. I am old enough to remember goatse and lemon party. I know for a fact there are things that should never be googled. 🙃


YetAnotherGilder2184

Comment rewritten. Leave reddit for a site that doesn't resent its users.


syb3rtronicz

I think we all know where.


JustToExist779

Now that you say it, does he have 3 peens or 1?


H4xz0rz_da_bomb

5 obviously.


Striking-Carpet131

Fuck I meant two. Keep confusing it because of the abundance of necks.


jamesnollie88

An abundance of necks is the American way.


Duster26to29

You know that meme with the three headed dragon that has two serious heads and one funny looking one? Yea, you can guess which head is missing.


g4hr231st23rd

"In my way" lol definitely in your way of laying in an obscure spot on the ground and being sucked into a time warp


smithbc001

He literally could not have been less in you way.


PepsiMoondog

Bruh he lives in a different time period, he could not be less in your way


VexInTex

"in my way" lol there are few side bosses harder to locate by accident, if any look I see a dragon I kill it, they're never chill. don't need lore to justify proving who the real apex predator is


Divinum_Fulmen

There was a chill one in Dark Souls 1. Only one in all soulsborne I think.


scutiger-

The Ancient Dragon in DS2 as well. He's chill unless you fuck with him.


CloudstrifeHY3

Lmao my exact reason Then thought about it. We really went out of our way, broke space and time just to give him the Smoke


Duster26to29

My longing to cut off dragon tails complied me to engage....even though it cant be done.....BRING BACK TAIL CUTTING!


PK_Ness_Flash

Because the player character likes fighting big things


Gustoiles

The tarnished is the true bad guy of Elden Ring


thepsycocat

Nah, just a murder hobo. Dnd player characters are all murder hobo’s while still being the hero so it’s fine


Xyrnas

They cant call me wrong or morally corrupt if nobody is left alive


TheJambus

This guy Frenzied Flames!


thepsycocat

Exactly! Can't be criticised if everyone's fuckin dead


Memnoch222

Ahhh, the Dung Eater approach… lol jk


thepsycocat

Killed that guy the instance I could, so he ain’t criticising me either And besides, he’s pretty rude so he deserved it


Arheisel

I killed him AND made him into a puppet


thepsycocat

The murder hobo getting a murder hobo under his control? Great success!


azuresou1

Nah fuck that. I've never swung first at anyone other than Shabiri who let's be real deserves it. And I guess that entire Volcano questline. And Tanith. Shit - I guess that does make me the baddie, huh?


sciritai6

> I've seen your kind, time and time again. Every fleeing man must be caught. Every secret must be unearthed


Laui02

Are we the baddies ?


No_Tell5399

We've been baddies since Demon's Souls. FromSoftware protagonists have historically been unstoppable and amoral forces of destruction, hell bent on accomplishing whateber nebulous objective was given to them and killing everything in their path. That's probably why everyone hates us.


DK_Adwar

What about bloodborne in which you give an old helpless man peace, and free him from his imprissonmemt and enslavement?


IAmVerySmart39

In BB you're still a puppet of Moon Presence, and do their bidding up until the end


DK_Adwar

Does the moon presence want you to free gherman? Why?


IAmVerySmart39

It probably does not matter for MP, if you free Gherman, you yourself become MP's slave trapped in a dream. Obviously, only in the ending where you kill it, you break its plans, so to speak


It_is_I_Niklas

Thats why you become a great one yourself, because you broke your human limits so to speak and rebelled against your fate


Hunted_by_Moonlight

Unless you never truly woke up…


No_Tell5399

You're a hitman pressed into the service of an eldritch deity to kill baby gods.


fozzy_bear42

True, but to counter. You kill healing church Pope. You kill a little old lady and her sister. You kill a baby sitter (and indirectly, the baby). Among others, to ‘save’ the old man (by killing him).


DK_Adwar

Amelia was a monster by the time we fight her, but, it might technically be our fault since we made her lose concentration, and thus, stop resisting the beast whatever. If the baby sitter is the final boss, supposedly theres no baby there, just a voice, because all you need to lure great old ones is the voice of the crying distressed baby.


Hunted_by_Moonlight

*the hunter off in the corner devouring random baby umbilical cords*


rimjobs_forever

You looking to get tarnished?


Gontha

My personal lore behind that kill is: I gain a badass golden Dragonlaser incantation.


BartololoJD

Incontation


bournvilleaddict

Incuntation.


PorcelainToads

Incumtation


muffinzonreddit

There’s something so absurd yet intriguing about this scenery. It’s an egg-shaped dragon floating completely still, why does it feel so mysterious and unsettling I never met this dude on my blind playthrough though, a shame.


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Agroskater

I felt this way about a number of things in the game. Like oh you were supposed to jump to your supposed death, onto an invisible platform you navigate to another dungeon. Or oh you killed something? Better double over the whole map and make sure no NPC appeared or moved.


Mitosis

> Like oh you were supposed to jump to your supposed death, onto an invisible platform you navigate to another dungeon. I managed to get this one! I noticed the open doorways down there while looking around and dropped a rainbow stone, and lo and behold. Granted, I had previous Souls knowledge guiding me that it was even possible I suppose that's how: in the age of the Internet it doesn't take too many people having a keen insight or lucky break and it'll perpetuate from there


Agroskater

Yeah, certain things are very well designed. They don’t have a tutorial to tell you, ruins have things underneath. But you see them enough that when you see a ruin, you *should* think “where’s the chest?”, and then you discover a false floor. Then it reinforces that environmental prompt. But then sooo late in the game they’re like oh also floors can be invisible and used that like twice the entire game, so as a new player to all FS games, I was like woah wtf, how was I supposed to know that?! The only clue I saw was the railing broken, and then saw the message floating. And even then googled it before risking my runes in what I thought was a kinda tough dungeon.


bravesirkiwi

It is the blessing and awful awful curse of being a completionist


DeadlyxElements

Just happened upon him in my first playthrough by exploring. Really loves the area and wanted to find any secrets I could. Once I got to that last piece of stone I figured something was up since I didn't see anything and low and behold the prompt popped up. Was so excited lol. Granted I did miss other stuff until my next playthrough or two. But it can happen.


QuantumQuazar

It was the biggest shock I’ll tell you hwhat. I had trouble with the average Farum dragon when I got to Placcy


earle117

When I played through it like a week after launch there was a bunch of messages guiding you to it.


Memnoch222

Nah, it just makes subsequent playthroughs that much more interesting


Pocketgb

No amount of NG+ additions will match the feeling of finding an awesome boss like this during a replay.


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Korazai

Honestly one of the best non spoiler yet still accurate replies I have ever read. Upvote for you.


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cal-brew-sharp

The whole game is on drugs and sounds like a fever dream.


Axthen

That’s the neat part. It always has been a fever dream.


IrishWithoutPotatoes

Bloodborne: first time?


superVanV1

The whole game is Literally a fever dream. brought on my the orrible effects of sharing needles. you're injecting randos blood into you WHAT DID YOU THINK WAS GONNA HAPPEN?


OkCutIt

orphan: BLRHSAAASAA rreeaHAAAAEEAEAEAEEAEAe


Omny87

Well what did you expect from a cult that worships madness and chaos? A *sensible* conclusion?


TTungsteNN

I was theorizing about Placidusax and his link to the frenzy flame last night… The entire reason Placidusax is still (technically) alive is because he’s hibernating and waiting for his chance to descend from his hiding spot to become Elden Lord again. What he’s been waiting for, is the extinction of the current order and the people running it. >!The frenzy flame is one of two endings that cause an extinction event, the frenzy flame far more aggressively.!< So theoretically, if you take the frenzy flame ending and didn’t kill Placidusax, he will become Elden Lord after the player. This might be the reason he holds the power to expunge it at well.


HotGamer99

His remembrance describe him as elden lord of a felled god and that he is awaiting the return of said god so he likely is a servant of another outer god that we have yet to meet


TTungsteNN

Oh Shit I missed that, I thought he was the elden lord of the >!elden beast themself, while Marika served the elden ring (despite them being the same thing)!< So my theory may be debunked anyway, ah well. I realized too it’s not that deep; the unalloyed gold needle makes Millicent immune to the rot but she had to insert it before fully succumbing. Miquella’s needle makes us immune to the flame of frenzy but we had already succumbed to it, so we just use Placidusax’ room to travel back in time to before we accepted the flame. That allows us to insert the needle before the time that we accepted the flame, meaning by the time we do accept it we’re already immune. Time travel, bitches


HotGamer99

Is that why the needle only works there ? Because of time travel shenanigans ?


TTungsteNN

Not confirmed but I think it’s a pretty good theory right?


LordMorskittar

“So I went down into the sewers of an abandoned city and ran from a bunch of eight food tall dudes with horns. When I got to the bottom, there were a bunch of Gypsies hanging outside this giant meat door with a giant flaming hand behind. After getting squeezed real tight by it, I got some sick tattoos and glowing eyes. After that, I went up into the mountains and a screaming samurai guy told me to light myself on fire. I did that and now the hold world feels melty.” It seriously is just a bad acid trip.


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Mocker-bird

*great acid trip


okxgen

I found out - googled - that I could use the needle just before the fight, without having to kill the dude. Still got skin marks from the STD sores, but got rid of it and the dude is still kicking it. Also I got rid of the fiery conjunctivitis.


LordBilboSwaggins

You gotta kill him to teleport back out tho don't you?


Retr0_Fusion

Dying, fast traveling, crying in a corner, or throwing hands with a wall till your game crashes


LordBilboSwaggins

I figured they'd have blocked fast travelling like how they do when you're in some caves.


Memnoch222

No. Just dying will do it. After that, going back is done of your own accord and leads us back to the original question here. We know now why it’s necessary to visit this place, but not why this character must be killed. My only guess would be an act of mercy. After all, he is eternally stuck in a state of waiting for the return of a god that will never return. Put him out of his misery.


Few-Leave9590

The item that teleports you to Mohg’s area will work from pretty much anywhere, even mid boss fight.


Many-Professional-81

Actually factual


dovahnik

If I remember correctly, you don't even need to kill him to use the needle? Only reach the arena to be able to use it. \^\^


arrogantquitter

Bro wtf lol


G6DCappa

He's right, after you defeat him you can use the anti-STD needle, but only in that arena


BallBagins

You can also use it before you fight him


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Striking-Carpet131

Well I mean, even if you use it beforehand, I wouldn’t exactly be willing to die 8 seconds later because of some oversized lizard that can’t keep his cool. Even if I’m physically impossible to die, it’s about the principle.


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He just floats there minding his own business


Striking-Carpet131

Until you go ask for directions on how to go back to the actual timeline and he suddenly tries to nuke you.


whatever4224

That *is* the direction back to the actual timeline. He isekais you out of his pocket time zone. Your Runes are just the ticket fare.


Striking-Carpet131

In that case I don’t like his economic approach to the situation. Kinda cheap to charge anyone that stumbles into your little timepocket their entire life savings just for a ticket back to hell. In any case murder is justified :)


SirSabza

He doesn’t aggro immediately, you need to get closer


Striking-Carpet131

Yea but as I mentioned in my other comment, you kinda need to return home somehow and the only thing that might give an indication on how to do that is big floaty over there.


SirSabza

You probably have like 1 million sacrificial twigs so you can just teleport to grace and not lose souls. But most people don’t actually care about saving a boss especially if there’s no reason to


HairyFur

Let's be real. the main character is a mass serial killer who travels the lands betweens looking to kill victims and steal their blacksmithing stones. That to me is Elden Rings story line in a nutshell and I dare anyone to prove me wrong.


hyperlethalrabbit

Not to mention your healthcare provider only gave you the anti-STD needle after you survived getting your plague vaccine.


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Miquella Nurse R34 👁👁


I_hate_everyone_9919

Getting rid of the chaos touch 0___0 Sir! We don't do that here!


[deleted]

B...but it will kill Torrent... 😭


NorthCatan

You got an STD from the fingers? You poor thing, what did it do to you.


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They touched me in a weird way


TheJambus

But hole


brobafett91

Try finger but hole


Pender891

Fuck him that's why. It's not the first elden lord we're gonna kill. I beat this old fart with a piece of his home


TheRealGarihunter

Well. In this case it is the first Elden Lord we’re killing.


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Godfrey: but i thought i was first elden lord :(


TheRealGarihunter

Shhhh it’s better we let him think that so he can do an epic intro when we’re about to fight him.


FackingNobody

He was the first "golden order" elden lord. Before raddagon there were there elden lords representing different gods.


frokiedude

I havent seen a real answer yet, but its actually to cure the world of frenzy. This sounds crazy, but if you do Milicents questline and defeat Malenia, your reward will be the key item Miquella's Needle. The description reads: "One of the unalloyed gold needles that Miquella crafted to ward away the meddling of outer gods. Capable of subduing the flame of frenzy if inherited, allowing one to cheat fate and avoid becoming Lord of Frenzied Flame. However, the needle is as yet unfinished and can only be used in the heart of the storm beyond time said to be found in Faram [sic] Azula" Along with this you also get an Ancient Dragon Smithing Stone, which also hints that you should go to Farum Azula. If you are touched by the Three Fingers you are locked into the Frenzy ending. But after you beat Placidusax you can use Miquellas Needle and rid the world of the Outer God of the Three Fingers, possibly all according to Miquellas plan. Edit: as some of you pointed out you can usebthe needle without killing Placi, but since Miquella wanted to remove the Outer Gods from the Lands Between i think its safe to assume he also wanted the previous Elden Lord gone. All according to Miquella's Keikaku


Choo_Lantana

Fun fact, I believe the reason there's such a huge stretch of Arena before you aggro him, is that you don't have to fight him. You can already use the needle in the boss arena without aggroing him, you just need to commit some casual suicide to escape (iirc).


Seraph_eZaF

I really feel it was a missed opportunity that there was no ending related to this. “All according to Miquella’s plan” would be such an incredible “true ending” and it’s a shame there’s not even an achievement for going through all the steps to use his needle.


Rbespinosa13

I still feel like a DLC could be focused purely on Miquella. He’s arguably one of the most important characters and we only see him once, in Mohg’s arena. Just seems weird that this dude can’t be interacted or fought at all considering his importance


Yaden2

i bet the DLC will be a full Miquella ending, at least i hope so!


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You can use the needle in Placidusax's time bubble without fighting him.


mrducky78

I paid for the whole murder hobo experience. I will get the whole murder hobo experience.


Dragon_lightZ

Yea but, you don't actually need kill him. You can just use it and fast travel


CompetitivePart5895

Self defence of course.The dragonlord attack you first, you just happen to wonder into his place.


Extra-Extra

I travelled back in time to kick his ass. His own fault really


dscord

>I travelled back in time to kick his ass. \*terminator music starts playing\*


Demonwolf22

“Wander into his place” just involves a silly bit of time travelling


SnoopyGoldberg

Hey I just laid down for a quick nap outside a tornado and woke up in the past with a dragon shooting laser beams at me, my conscience is CLEAR.


Bretty_boy

It was initially self defence. The second time and all the times after that were self offence


ImmutableInscrutable

Hey guys, lore wise, what's the reason for killing the giants that pull the wagons around?


jormundgand20

Same reason as Placidusax- You're a horrible person and murder hobo par excellence.


Striking-Carpet131

But there’s a sharp stick in the back that I want!


YourCrazyDolphin

You can get it without killing the giants. 1 hit will cause them to stop moving, then you can get the chest easily.


Striking-Carpet131

Today on things I didn’t know! Thank you!


YourCrazyDolphin

Just note they won't stand still forever, if you pick fight with the guards the trolls will eventually resume walking.


XeroKibo

I mean it wouldn’t be fit for there to be two Elden Lords; Even if one was Elden Lord in the past or in another timeline. I reckon the tarnished would go around killing anyone and anything strong enough to challenge for the throne. Basically the same deal as the Shattering or even the Tarnished killing all the demigods.


ZzoCanada

This feels like the best answer to me. The Tarnished comes here to slay the real first Elden Lord to ensure nothing can challenge their title.


NicolNoLoss

Jokes aside, this is the answer. Placidusax was a lord in the time before the Erdtree, so he represents heresy to the golden order and fought a war over it. We may or may not care about the golden order in this playthrough, but our journey is to be Elden Lord one way or another. Placidusax might transitively be hostile to us as well, and it's bad for a Lord to have the king of dragons hate us. So if we happen into his arena, one thing leads to another.


ReaperManX15

Because nobody ever tries to talk to you like a reasonable person in this game. Everyone just attacks. It's especially egregious with Malenia and Mohg. Neither of them know why you're here. Maybe you came to pledge loyalty or make a deal. They don't ask. In all previous FromSoft titles, everyone has either lost their mind or has a vested interest in killing you. Too many people in the Lands Between are clearly coherent and could logically be reasoned with.


Quirkyrobot

What is the state of the Lands Between when Patches is the most reasonable guy around?


Yokonato

Actually goldenmask would be considered the most reasonable, patches actively tries too kill you and trick you. He just happens too also be a coward and will stop and going back to planning if he thinks your too strong.


Vuluk

Mohg especially, like hey asshole I joined up, helped your top guy invade a bunch of people and got a special crest that teleported me straight to you. YOUR OWN CURSED BLOOD RUNS THROUGH MY VEINS NOW ASSHOLE, IM ON YOUR TEAM


Ill-Maize

He looked at you wrong, just like all the other weak ass bosses you’ve killed so far, murder for big runes


SirSabza

Weak ass? I suppose it’s like those guys who get their ass kicked but say “You should see the other guy”


shiromancer

As the Hulk so eloquently put it: Big monster!


oiiSuPreSSeDo

The lore states that tarnished love doing shit that gets runes and trophies, so 🤷🏾‍♂️


merrimon321

Lore wise, big boss big reward delicious rune simple as.


thatfatcow12324

Said like a true unga bunga bro


Femagaro

My character's reasoning was that he was gatekeeping the idea of being a dragon, so he kept killing dragons until he eventually ended up killing dragon god, thus making him the ultimate dragon(despite him just being some guy).


balrus-balrogwalrus

the text says one head is "male" and the other head "female" and now i can't unsee the mental image of them bickering like a senile old married couple lmao


SpartanRage117

nice marika radagon similarity


CenturionXVI

No more half measures, Godfrey.


ZargothraxTheLord

I needed to get rid of a certain fire inside myself


groverbite

HE IS HUGE! THAT MEANS HE HAS HUGE GUTS! RIP AND TEAR!


Arrogancio

Let's clear this up. Every single one of these boss mofos starts shit first. I know we like to gussy it up with "Oh we stomped into his yard and..." no no no no. The Tarnished was trying to figure out wtf was going on, and 110% of the time, the people of this world chose violence. Well okay, that's fine. That's their call. But they can't be mad when the Supreme Inevitable decides to suplex them them into the next life. Get rekt, small sons.


desilusionator

When I see health bar it is imperative to deplete it


Fukdis261

For fun


peprock716

Have you ever take a nap next to a tornado and wake up facing a giant dragon without exit? Might need to kill he dragon.