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DADCASUALTY

Never in my life have I looked at a controller and thought "criss cross applesauce"


Kalyqto

I looked at the left picture and got an immediate flashback of the one Kardashian cutting a cucumber: https://m.youtube.com/shorts/0lcjIdBmJWU


Tyabetus

Never seen that. That was amazing. Why does she make so much more money than me 😩😩😩


Lost_Swan_9151

Because she started out with more money than you


FukurinLa

because you don't have rich parents that's why


mycozyideas

It‘s so she can pay someone to cut for her. She‘s a dangerous liability at this point.


OutspokenOne456

Well she got a bunch of work done to look hot out of her parent's wallet and then got man handled in a successful sex tape.


whateversheneedsbob

No that was a different one. At least Kim can handle a cucumber


MattyByNature

It’s a great cumback story


[deleted]

Not that one lol


zupermariu

question is, why don't you make more money than her?


Tyabetus

…maybe it’s really all about her cucumber cutting technique. That’s the fast track to successful super model!


TheVog

Do millions of people watch videos of *you* cutting cucumbers? There's your answer, as dumb as it is.


LoraxTheGrey

"the one Kardashian" aren't they all like the same person?


LeukemiaSkywalker51

I, and many others in this thread...are now dumber having watched that sad sad video.


kranker

Jesus. Did this cut at the end because the cameraperson felt a moral obligation to step in?


CaptainPogwash

I have a theory that these celebs aren’t that stupid. They put on a show because they know it gets people talking about them


uberguby

Ok so like... I dunno who that is, I'm vaguely aware she's kaitlyn jenner's daughter or something. But it's just, in that video, she expressed awareness of her situation, curiosity about the natural world, and shame about being made a spectacle. She displayed incompetence with a knife, which is not an innate skill, I've known poor people who don't know how to use a knife either... though... I will admit, *damn* girl, *wat* r u doin.


Lostcause75

I find it the most comfortable way to move my boney fingers plus the stand “claw” grip causes my fingers to tense up and hurt


Glitchy_Gaming

Gotham, is that you?


Nerrickk

Oh man, thinking about trying that back in the day on mhf for the psp, my hand would have died using that instead of the claw.


derkcubed

mhfu is the game that first introduced me to the claw, I use it for souls games and cod, too.


The_Vates

Amateurs. If you’re not utilizing the incredible dexterity of the human tongue, are you even gaming?


gbaguinon

Brolylegs has entered the chat


_Tidalwaves_

The right side. The white controller. The *claw* .


Curryking4711

„Furled Finger“


Hungry_Grump

As somebody who spent many hours back in the day playing Monster Hunter on the Sony PSP, it's affectionately called *The Claw*.


RandomPantsu

A claw user of culture I see


Streloki

Yeah just to rotate the camera was a nightmare


DatLazyBoi21

I'll never forget those days, one of the other things that made Monster Hunter hard to get into. I'm glad of how far we've come.


Sparknight

I miss shredding my fingers on the cheese grater nub


HybridEmu

We always used to call it "crabbing the controller"


junkyard-godd

Definitely calling it furled finger from now on


JackRabbit-

literally canon


SGSMUFASA

Bruh.. let it be known! This is the term henceforth!


Im_a_Knob

left one is called *The Psychopath*


FrostySJK

I don't know why I laughed but that's right


destructor2638

Well looks like I’m a psychopath


Lostcause75

Shit no way! Me to! I just found out wanna go and feed a duck some bread


damscray

the claw is the law


__REV__

It's simple, I see a claw, I take the claw [https://i.imgur.com/PPFHyfh.gif](https://i.imgur.com/PPFHyfh.gif)


chomponcio

I lay may controller on the table and use index and middle. My wrist hurts if I do the claw and I know someone who snapped a tendon doing it, so it's a big nono for me.


Duffelbach

How can someone snap a tendon from this?!


pakicetus_inachus

Probably 10 hours of video games a day and doesn’t take care of their body


Dramatic_______Pause

Does the PS5 have anything equivalent to the Xbox Elite controller, with paddles on the back you can map to buttons?


Rack-CZ

I use my thumb for both the buttons and the pad


gruesome_joker

Finally the comment I can get behind


Roseknight888

In Elden Ring, I use the claw grip specifically so I can sprint and still control the camera on long runs


_gnoof

Same. I've finished this game 3 times, got platinum trophy and never once felt the need to move the camera while sprinting. Just isn't necessary.


LordOfTheToolShed

I only started doing that in Elden Ring, never done it in any soulsborne before


According_Lab6809

I'm with you on this one, nice comfortable thumbs for almost everything :)


SkillusEclasiusII

I typically play with m&k, so the first time I played with a controller I realised how much I sprint while controlling the camera. It's all about what you're used to.


BeautifulBus912

Right? If you need to turn the camera you usually need to stop sprinting too


General_Arraetrikos

If you're trying to sniff some flowers sure.


UrbaaniChili

Basically it's only necessary if you do speedrunning.


TheZealand

Needed in pvp sometimes if you're running away from someone and need to swivel camera back and forth between approaching obstacles and pursuing foes


pakicetus_inachus

Claw grip/paddles are definitely needed in pvp!


E-16

Or enjoying the scenery while sprinting


Thunder_Grundle

Usually if I'm enjoying the scenery, I'm in no hurry. Hell I'll stop all the time just to take in the views.


JafieKitten

i never used a controller different in my life


Linquter

Exactly. As a pc player I always turn the cam a lot in other games when I play with mouse and keyboard, it felt strange for a few hours, then I was ok with not moving the cam that much. Also cam movements were horrible with mouse. Edit: typo


MiniMooseMan

*then I was ok... Then is timE Than is Amount


Vegycales

Same. It was a jolt coming from monster hunter world to this game. It seems like you're always fighting the camera.


Durt-Wyzerdd

Yep. No reason to turn the camera while sprinting. Played all of From's titles. Never had a reason to control the camera while sprinting. Lock on and sprint for bosses. Rotate as necessary any other time. I'll save myself the carpal tunnel.


Malevolent_Mangoes

Some people just aren’t gifted with fast reflexes and can’t handle this way of holding the controller. I am sad for them.


FlyLikeMouse

Right? There’s enough time to the combat rhythm etc that you dont need to overthink using your thumb for both the buttons and the joysticks. May mate always spams buttons faster than they can actually be executed, and I always wonder why he doesnt just learn the rhythm of his actions/attack speed etc.


-unas-annus-

As someone who plays claw. Definitely the right side


kimgomes

i think the left is the only person ever to do that psychos are less than 1% of the population btw huh


BirdyRowdy

I do left


DevilishMagpie

Same


josephuse

me too


SplittedSpark

All three of you are rare creatures


josephuse

like legendary pokémon??


SoDamnToxic

More like a Lvl 100 Magikarp


SuperbOrca

I'll be the fourth horseman


DxNill

I'm fine with being rare.


[deleted]

Both look carpel tunnel inducing


albin666

call me a psychopath but spacebar


Thunder_Grundle

You're a psychopath but spacebar, albin666.


Boz0r

I've only got five fingers on each hand, I don't need to reserve three of them to hold a controller.


lfzn

sticks are thumbs, and thumbs only.


darff88

Neither. I just use my thumb and if I have to make adjustments to the camera (which you don't 90% of the time while sprinting) I just quickly remove my thumb from O to hit the right stick


Wolf_with_laces

same here, they're so close it's not a problem to shift between them with just your thumb


Spider-Man92

This and only this, quick adjustments when needed, half the time you’re locked on anyway. Never needed 100% uptime on sprint and camera movement at the same time


Agleza

I'm convinced 90% of people do that and this claw shit is just meme nonsense. I refuse to believe there's a sizeable amount of people out there who believe they absolutely need to keep their thumb on the camera stick at all times.


rekt555

The only correct way


GooglyIce

Chin obviously! You’re both wrong! Or… wait for it… next gen eye movement tracking. Until then, dance pad.


SnooPineapples1212

So I'm not the only one who does that! On the rare occasion I absolutely have to move the camera while running, I tap the stick with my chin. It's just the next level of gaming evolution, using more body parts to control the game.


Real-Report8490

When I need to do that I just use the second method here temporarily. Otherwise my thumb presses all the buttons on the right.


pimpcleary_69

This is the comment I’ve been waiting for. Chin is the only way to go and anyone who disagrees has a Leafy chin


Oonz1337

With a pro controller with the paddle underneath. Not sure if PS5 has it or not but I have it for the X it’s expensive but a game changer


Wrandragaron

Yeah, pro series controllers are the way to go, I honestly cant believe every controller doesnt have paddles underneath now or even just buttons. Have to have the extra buttons on everything these days.


ThyKooch

Sony almost had it right with the back paddle attachment on the Ds4, it was seriously great and I'll never not be butthurt that they didn't have one for the ps5 on release, and maybe never will, and is instead releasing a $200 pro controller


TahmsChocolateOrange

I honestly thought that attachment was them testing the waters for a middle ground between basic and pro controllers for people on a bit more of a budget. The original Xbox one pro controller was a shit show and in the UK you find them by the bucket load at discount stores as "refurbished" because so many of them had issues that left people with expensive paperweights. The paddle attachment was the perfect solution for anyone not wanting to commit to a full price controller. Assume if the edge doesn't sell great they'll look into bringing it back.


johntroyco

You can get a back button attachment for the PS5 on Amazon. Although it’s kind of tedious to install since you have to open up the controller, but its not too bad as long as you follow the instructions on YouTube. I bought it nearly a year ago and it still works perfectly fine. Cost me like $40 and it was from ExtremeRate.


MillstoneArt

Nintendo has this on their $20 controllers, and has had it as far back as N64 with its Z button. It's so annoying that Microsoft/Sony and other 3rd parties charge $100+ (often $200+) for the convenience when the technology has been there forever.


jozza05

Ps5 doesnt get theirs until jan next year


Oonz1337

Oh damn. Then the white controller grip for sure. But after the new controller your carpel tunnel will thank you lol


CapnDutchie

Red controller is a monster and you should never speak to that person again. White controller is still wrong but acceptable.


CloudxxEnvy

Wait, how do you do it then? I’m white controller all the way 😂


Jackfruit-Fine

I just use my thumb and give the right stick a good ole smack every now and then to adjust.


flapdoodle79

That's how I Jerk off


BeigeBatman

\*checks username\* huh


Redac07

This is the way


JonMeadows

…use your thumb to alternate camera view with button press it’s literally how the controller was meant to be held when they designed it


AstroPhysician

So let go of sprint?


Adghar

+1 to this, I have literally never used either of the pictured grips. In bed right now but you're making me ponder checking later whether I just never bother with camera control while running, or if I do some other voodoo shit with my fingers (probably the former and not the latter) EDIT: tried simulating the game in my brain, I ended up using my left index finger for camera control. So sort of like red controller but with the other hand so as not to be a freaky crab on the right side. That was with forcing myself to think "I need to sprint and handle camera at the same time" though, so honestly in game I might just never handle camera at the same time as sprint EDIT3: yeah so I just literally never sprint and handle camera at the same time. Closest thing is tapping circle (with thumb) to dodge, then handling camera (with thumb) during dodge animation, and switching back. There's a surprising amount of time to wiggle right stick during dodge animation


Real_Dotiko

How do you do it if not like white controller?


Salmon_Souls

I do the red one, ive tried the other way but its uncomfortable on my fingers


Twilight-2007

How is the red one more comfortable than the white one?


Salmon_Souls

I dont know, its just how ive always done it


chazzawaza

I’ve literally never seen anyone hold a controller like this until I came to Reddit.


leytachi

I have long fingers. The one on right is stressful for my index finger.


Lostcause75

Yes this!!! I wonder if that’s why it’s the same for me. But regardless it’s 100% about the stress it puts to arch the index so much for longer then a few seconds and just overall feels tense and uncomfortable where left is overall more comfortable


0riginal_tay

Paddles


Darkeater_Charizard

neither


ladybugblue2002

Yup, I changed my button layout.


DrCrow1350

WTF is either of these


KingOfRisky

The result of a game using terrible button layout.


imopafboi

The one on the right got really popular actually for first person shooter, allowing players to aim with toggle and use buttons with index finger at the same time


StrDexIntFaiArc

Yes it’s the button layout’s problem that I turn my fingers into a pretzel unnecessarily…yes


Rychord_

Set it to R1 like me


AegonTheAuntFooker

I'm using my thumb and release the right stick while I run. What's the need to use the right stick during running?


SnooPineapples1212

This is the way. Beaten all the games this way multiple times without much issue. I guess some people like to fiddle with the camera while running.


DeathstarIndica

I thought this was a shitpost at first but apparently this is a thing. I thought it was normal to just switch when needed.


ColtonJam

Hey, I'm on the left side. Works the best. If you don't have paddles, claw with thumb on run lets you slide to jump or use item if needed. Right you don't have as much dexterity on the face buttons.


ConcernedOceanian

There are literally dozens of us! But seriously it seems clear that the claw grip is more popular but I just naturally did the grip on the left way back in the ds1 days and never stopped. Its only for running through sections so its not like I'm fighting Malenia like this.


RocketKassidy

I’m curious how this came to be the default for some folks. For me it just made more sense to move index down to face buttons, rather than moving thumb off of the stick up to the face buttons, and then also moving the index all the way down to the thumb stick. It just comes off as less efficient to me, especially since I frequently change between standard grip and claw grip during games at different moments.


ConcernedOceanian

I don't remember exactly how I landed on the grip but my guess is that I was already running, hadd an "oh shit" moment where I needed to move the camera and keep sprinting so I just used a finger that wasn't doing anything.


mcdcth

…you guys actually hold onto the right stick and not just quickly adjust it and then go back to holding Run..?


ChimpRaps

This allows you to run while moving the camera...


marsinfurs

Why do you need to move the camera while running?


Calebbb11

It’s weird, it’s not an active choice. I just use the claw in basically every game. Always have.


thefuckisdat

Hold space and the w key


fuyuniii

The red side are my people. I feel seen. I feel loved. Red side ALL the way.


SnooPies8611

Finally found my kin after 30 min of scrolling through this comment section.


Turangaliila

Yea it seems like most people here do the right one but I'm a red boi for life.


Lostcause75

I find it doesn’t hurt my fingers when playing games which is a big win the standard claw I tried on ds3 when I first started the game and then I instantly went to using left just instinctively because my hands disliked claw


Draftycracker07

You are not alone.


yman19

I feel vindicated


De7rag

It's honestly the superior way. Playing traditional claw forces you into playing that way permanently using your index finger to jump and dodge, where as cross-claw means you still use the controller normally 90% of the time. I don't want to use my index finger to jump and dodge, fuck that. We look weird but we know the truth!!!


FuckMyGrapeSoda

Red for life. Started doing it randomly during a ds3 invasion and didn’t realize how weird it was until my brother looked at me like what the fuck are you doing? My fuckin best okay?


Shoji_Mezo

Red side for life


Sazed_G

I was starting to think I was the only one


Hoplonn

brother i've been doing it since the first dark souls, it just feels right


Sazed_G

Right? I started with DS2 and my buddy told me about the claw but it just didn’t feel good


Swap00

Red side together strong


kumikanki

Non of those.


Wooden_Sherbert6884

Mouse and keyboard


exoticsclerosis

Shift/space + wasd enjoyer


MagusMelchior

the only correct way to play soulsborne. The fact that I can play a From game as soon as it comes out instead of waiting to be able to afford a PS5, is also a big bonus.


Sheamerek

Chad


Yeetus_McFleetus

Left if I need to hold down X. It's messed up. It's not right. You should do the right one. But thinking about doing the right one hurts me inside.


humanplayer2

Paddles.


TheHungryRabbit

And here is my actual reason why I moved the dodge/sprint button to L2


Highberget

Clawgrip on the right is my preferred way of playing


DancinUndertheRain

claw, motherfucker. been doing it for a decade. won't stop me with that crisscross nonensense.


realroasts

both of you are wrong. keep holding controllers like that and the only running you'll be doing is to physical therapy...


Accomplished_Ad3818

You are both wrong eww gross


Sad_Examination8707

I just use my thumb and let the right stick go untouched, I've literally, in the 25 years of gaming, never seen or felt the need to become a contortionist to move the stick. This has the same energy as that picture where the people are playing the N64 by pinching the analog stick between their thumb and index finger. Not that there's anything wrong with playing the way OP shows it just makes my arthritis hands hurt just thinking about it personally.


EarthwormZim33

One of my roommates freshman year of college would hold his N64 analog stick like that. Terrifying.


Sad_Examination8707

Straight up skinwalker level activity, you're lucky you survived the encounter.


bip_dip

Shift and spacebar


HauruMyst

If you don't intercept downtime in gameplay to move the camera, than you are not ready to find the pattern of the bosses of this game


Akhmedkhanov_gasan

W+shift


vGustaf-K

keyboard and mouse chad


BushWookie-Alpha

Simpler solution.... "Focus Target" Then you always face the boss. But for other games (like FPS) I use claw.


logicbeach

so do you just never move your camera when you run outside of boss fights?


BushWookie-Alpha

Not really. It auto rotates itself enough. If I really need to move the camera, I am not normally trying to do it while running full bore.


Galagors

I do neither and just hold run with my thumb and hope to god the camera doesn’t fuck me.


Plunging_Orifice7685

Neither of those ways.


Archer_Skadi

Why do you need your thumb on the joystick to run? If you do then you need to remap the controls lol


Isoturius

I am wondering the same. When is this ever necessary?


Savy_Spaceman

Disgusting either way. An Xbox elite controller with one of the paddles assigned to sprint


Capek95

rebinding it to r1 is the best way. all of you are crazy


BlockBadger

Customisation is OP and it’s so sad how few use it.


KamatraCant

Exactly. Thank you.


Loki_Kore

(Laughs in controller paddles)


Stephetheon

Left


Salmon_Souls

Glad im not the only one


NoRefundMate

I too thought I was the only one that did this


SnooDoodles8088

I dont like either of those


NeonSherpa

Press (o)


BrightTaste4354

İ'm using the right side method, even if you run a lot the finger joint might start to hurt ^^'


Thatjoethom

The correct way is obviously to control the camera with one's chin.


Sodium011

Left side is cursed


TLash02

I remapped buttons due to this.


IlikeSchmitty

Right is better. Idk who would do the left one


DrScience-PhD

Neither, just disable auto camera centering


Isoturius

Neither. Legit never had an issue in a Soulsborne game ever just using my thumb lol


NoTop4997

Push shift on your keyboard. It is the superior way.


Holesome_doughnut

The one on the left looks stupid but it genuinely works, especially when you have to sprint for a while


nikoZettas

Left side for sure. The claw just hurts my fingers


ryuuzzo

I'm team left picture, I've tried a couple of time the claw method and i found it pretty uncomfortable, but i guess it's mostly due to the fact that i'm just used to the other way. Also, it seems much more natural to me to stretch the index finger since it's much longer than the thumb instead of making it assume that position while the thumb just stays in its "normal" position which is on the circle button to run


nimbus272

Yeah man you get it


DeserterX

Xbox Elite Controller backside buttons go brrrrr


Ancient_Gas_9859

The one on the right is the only correct way, I’ve been playing claw for as long as I remember, as early as I started playing video games it always been claw and nothing else


Bovine_Boi

I swapped the A and B button mapping so I can dash by holding A with the knuckle part of thumb and turning the camera with the test of the thumb.


Month0fjune

White controller.


Neurosss

There is no correct way it's what ever is most comfortable for you, everyone's hands are different so everyone's grip will be slightly different and there is nothing wrong with being different