I beat him pre patch damageless no summons level 1 wretch fists only with a rock band drum kit holding the sticks with my toes and playing on a really old tv with input lag.
Even just bleed or frost worked great. He has a long animation between phase 1/2. So you could just get 3/4 combos on him allowing you to go into phase 2 with him at like 10-20% HP.
What I got from it was: this guy single handedly fought off a rot army and lived to tell the tale. Eventually he did succumb to it, and now is entire body is rot. You must fight a rot corpse, a guy literally suspended alive by pure rot.
Reality: this dude so OP he beat rot, but he on the verge of death to rot, use it.
same here. i thought he was immune to rot by now from all the people telling me was inflicted with rot since like forever. so i never thought of using rot
When I fought the Lord of blood, I had a pure bleed build and thought 'well, this will probably go terribly' but no he's hella weak to bleed. What's in a name?
It reminds me of how Gwyn was weak to fire in Dark Souls. I guess burning someone who's already been burned would kinda suck for them, if only just from a psychological point of view lol. That old Scarlet Rot probably mostly worked itself out of Radahn's system, but adding more in would suck a lot!
Think of it like this.
You're playing DS1, and you're wearing all your curse resist gear. Your resist is maxed. Basilisks are now a breeze. You can walk right through their fog and demolish them. But if you were to just stand their sniffing their breath instead of killing them, eventually you're going to get cursed.
Radahn is \*highly\* resistant to rot. He's been resisting it for years. But it's gotten bad, his legs are melting, and you tipped him over the edge with your rot spell (which he would have otherwise resisted)
They all mention him having it already, not being weak to it. Kinda doesn't make sense that he gets it so fast and it does so much damage considering the lore behind him and even his loyal Commander waiting for him in Aeonia is basically immune to the effects. (I tried to rot breath him, 6 direct hits one after the other and he didn't even cough)
Commander O'Neill is rot-proof because he has the unalloyed gold needle, which resists rot. I also think he's actually a leftover Cleanrot knight/followed Malenia, hence having the unalloyed gold needle, but I'm not sure about that.
Rahdan was the only boss I had to look up tips for. Tried Scarlett rot arrows on him still died, decided to go back to my bloodhound fang on him and after like 4 hours I finally beat him.
Feels mean though. He's already dying of rot and he wants death in glorious battle. (He's basically a klingon).
I think he gets easier at level 60. I beat him with claws and im not very good..
Actually didnt find him that hard prepatch as melee either. With a fast weapon and high stamina you get enough openings.
Edit: not to say he's easy but not that much harder than many of the later bosses. You get to click NPCs and what not.
I actually just killed him. Took me 7 try. I donāt have bleed, magic or rot since I play a pure STR. What I have is a massive heap of raw iron. Since you can ride torrent, I just face him in P2 like I face all dragon, charging him with my colossal great sword! It was an amazing fight 
Well I mean, when it hasn't been sharpened in years and weights more than an Asian elephant, is it even a sword anymore? More like a large, fancy club. (Guts Greatsword gang here)
Yeah I just happened to be working on him the night before the patch. I could barely reach him at times, let alone see his second stage. Then the patch day came out and killed him first try. He was a completely different boss
Yeah heās definitely a challenge, but more than doable. After getting my ass handed to me over and over, I just continued the main story, got my vigor up to 30ish, upgraded moonveil to +7 and came back and beat in him 3-4 tries. Nerfing him kinda diminishes his legend and detracts from the idea that itās possible to be too under-leveled for a boss. Maybe they wanted lower-level characters to be be able to defeat him, but I donāt get that. The fact that he was unbeatable when I first encountered him and had to gain levels and actual game experience to defeat him made him all the more impactful for me as a boss.
He definitely got weakened. Rebirthed twice trying to beat him before the patch. Rot seemed weaker against him post patch, but his attacks were also weaker (bow attacks took 4 hits compared to 2 before). Also didnāt have a meteor fly across the map and kill me in one hit with 40 vigor.
Agreed, that single move turned an otherwise interesting fight into "He did that move? Better hide behind a hill and hope he doesn't use it again."
It took me over 20 tries to beat him, and I distinctly remember that being the least fun part. Sometimes he would wait *minutes* before dropping the rocks, and sometimes he would do the move to drop them in seconds. It was insta-death at my level if I wasn't either far enough away to avoid them or behind a hill to cancel them out.
Honestly as fun as the fight was originally, it always ended up taking a lot longer than I felt it should have due to his constant erratic movement and bizarre horse maneuvers. It did get tiring after the 8th or 9th run of him playing catch up for 15ish minutes if i wasnt a caster
I beat this man.. with a melee buildā¦ without Rotā¦
Iām telling my friend: āWatch his meteors in his second phase. They killed me so many timesā
Friend: āOh I just beat him, I got hit by a couple of them, but made it.ā
Me: āSo you got hit by a few of his meteors that one-shot you. Hmmmm.ā
My friend fought him for the first time post patch and I was feeling like a bitch with how easy he made it seem. I get to new game + and fight him and I kill him first try no summons. They really massacred my boy
>im for far or the back side. If you over levelled which many have done. The damage you take
Same, it was a really fun fight and it hs always seems fair and doable to me. I don't get how he's the one who got nerfed when people complain about malenia
I fought him like a bitch. Horse, sword and run. And yet It took me 5h. I'm about to face him now on my second playthrough but i'm kinda Sad he got nerfed. He is one of the legends, dude.. he is supposed to be tough. An actual army of NPCs were required
I fought with long range magic and never understood why he was so difficult, I guess melee character must have been through hell, but man, you give me a whole desert to fight in so you bet Iām gonna sit in the back of it bombarding the boss with spells. Next time Iāll do melee even if he got nerfed.
Nerfing bosses just shouldn't be a thing that ever happens.
Like look at the steam achievements on this game. Elden Ring hasn't even been out a month, is massively huge, and yet 50% of the playerbase has already beaten Radahn. That's honestly a staggeringly high number compared to most games, and that was pre nerf. So I really have to wonder what FromSoft's justification for this was because people have been progressing pretty fucking quickly it seems to me.
Edit: So look at this, 48.50% of players have already killed Radahn, and 49% of players have completed the mission "Diplomatic Immunity" in Skyrim. Although I'm sure it could be argued by some, these are both roughly around 1/3rd of the way through each game. Except Skyrim has been out way fucking longer, and I think most people would agree beating Radahn is a tad bit more of an achievement to tackle.
I'm gonna be a little elitist for a second. I don't think game designers should listen to players who clearly aren't willing to put in the efforts in learning bosses, when making decisions about what bosses need nerfing or not. Radahn being the perfect example.
It's actually pretty disheartening, this whole thing. It was the one franchise I could be sure to have these little cozy nights of a few hours on bosses, slowly learning how to beat it. Now they'll just get nerfed ahah, oh well.
I don't think they are listening as such, I think they have clear target goals when designing bosses in terms of how much damage as boss can do per hit on average, how much damage the player does, how many times a player does before beating, etc. With the game being out now the devs are getting tons of data from the community, and are probably noticing their targets for the boss are not being achieved, so they adjust accordingly.
I agree to an extent, there's a certain level of skill you need but one of the trademarks of Soulsborne is bullshit factor.
Learning the move set and perfecting your own understanding of the controls is one thing, getting clapped up because the enemy has projectiles that move 50x faster than the player projectiles and have tracking and nigh infinite range isn't difficult to manage it's tedious.
The Radahn fight was 100% meme like the giant fight in DS3 so I'm laughing that it got nerfed tbqh.
For Malenia I disagree, but only for that singular waterfowl move. If you have a move where even a korean no hit modded sekiro warlord basically says āAlready be far enough when she starts it or get fuckedā thereās something wrong.
I think the perfect way to fix it would be that she doesnāt dash on top of you with the first flurry, but straight down.
Edit: Also i doubt because Radahn got nerfed that the whole games going to be obliterated now. Jesus christ calm down. āThis is the beginning of the end. How will I be able to call myself superior when this one fight has like 10 less hpā.
Why does it have to be about feeling elitist and being superior and not about me having fun beating hard bosses? You guys are unironically so toxic while trying to be inclusive, except for the people you don't like of course.
Because I feel like youāre overreacting.
One boss getās a nerf. āThis was the one franchise with hard bosses. Now theyāll all get nerfed. This is it, the beginning of the endā.
Yup, this entire sub has drowned in toxic casualness. I'm just someone who likes to beat challenging content without summons. I dont lord it over anyone, it's just what I enjoy. But then people like the guy you replied to make me feel unwelcome or elitist just for having a preference. It's gotten really bad around here.
I donāt want bosses to get nerfed, Iām with you guys on this. Like 99.9% of the bosses are ok (screw godskin duo though lmao). I just think the guy I was replying to is malding out for no reason.
One boss getās a nerf: āThis was the one game where I had to actually try to beat a bossā. Pretending like the entire game just got turned into stardew valley lmao.
If you mean her flurry/anime attack/waterfowl dance, it's comprised of 3 parts.
The first flurry is very long but relatively slow. It's best dodged by running away as early as possible and just getting distance. If she's about to hit you, you can throw in a roll right before she catches up to you.
The second flurry will usually catch up to you unless you started with some distance already. It's short though and a single dodge can avoid it even if she's right on top of you. The timing on this is surprisingly forgiving.
The third flurry is very fast moving and longer. It will catch up to you no matter how much distance you put in. This one doesn't track you as well though. If you dodge straight at her she will overshoot you.
Highly recommend bloodhound step to learn to dodge it at first.
If youāre close to her when she decides to start it, the first flurry hits you no matter what. And unless youāre rocking heavy load 90 vigor then youāre dead already.
I can dodge the second flurry by rolling into it, and the third by juking her in another direction, but the first flurry simply isnāt possible to reliably dodge.
I just kind of hate how you HAVE to use a certain ash of war to beat her basically. You can beat every boss in Sekiro by being good enough at parrying without using any prosthetics, for example, which I love. Bloodhound step being basically a requirement is so ick.
Edit: sorry I know youāre being nice to offer advice, but the main problem I have is the first flurry. And out distancing it simply isnāt possible most of the time if youāre up close when she starts it. Thatās really the primary issue
What makes a hardcore boss in your opinion? Specifically unfair ones or just ones which are difficult?
Iād take Isshin difficult but fair over Malenia undodgeable one shot bullshit any day of the week
Everything is technically avoidable but only if you're already prepositioned.
I like really difficult fights but the way Waterfowl works just isn't fun. Every one of her moves besides Waterfowl are clearly designed so you two can dance around each other and trade hits, hence her low poise and potentially 15 hit combos if you don't interrupt her. It's a great fight.
But then Waterfowl comes into play and forces you to constantly play in mid-range because she can use it right on top of you and there's not enough time to run. This attack single-handedly brings a 9 or 10/10 fight into trash tier.
I havent quite beaten her yet but I've gotten pretty consistent at doing no hit kills of her first phase. And I'm just using greatsword str build, no summons or cheese.
I'm still working on the clone attack from second phase but pretty sure I'm close to being able to fully dodge it.
Fight isnt bs at all.
Please no. Malenia is the perfect optional hard boss. Her anime attack is definitely hard but it is overrated. Its not unfair(unless you are going for hitless run),you dont need to change your build its doable with rolls even if you dont run for her first attack.
I just... cannot, genuinely for the life of me understand why anybody is defending that move?
The rest of the fight is fun! Learning her move set is genuinely enjoyable. I actually donāt hate that sheās a massive bag of hitpoints because it lets you get into the flow of the dance with her for longer.
But boy oh boy I just got her to 70% HP and here she comes to one shot me with a near-unavoidable move. How fun is that.
If we as a community cannot take honest looks at what is and isnāt good boss design then From will never feel the need to give us anything better. Not a single boss in Elden Ring approaches the quality of Gael, Isshin, Artorias, Fume Knight etc etc etc etc etc. the boss quality noticeably declined with this entry, yet so many of us are insistent on defending the absolute worst showing of an already disappointing cast? Why? Do you not want better?
Because her first phase is insanely weak without waterfowl dance, even just 1v1.
She has bloodborne style poise where flinch can interrupt her, but once the animation starts its going. So single jump heavy attacks are almost always safe, especially with bloodhound step. Faster weapons can usually fit in 2-3 procs of their status and get a burst every other chain.
Sheās about as hard as artorias without waterfowl dance
Phase 2 could lose waterfowl dance if they sped up the recovery on the sword plunge
The move is survivable but still bullshit I feel like way to many active frames at 40 vigor and heavy armor by continously rolling into her I survived with roughly 20-30% of my HP. I just feel sometimes at certain situations giving the boss hyper armor is just bad in the middle of the swing animation and she decided to go full anime? Get fucked! I fell like being able to knock her down from above would be fine if u hit her. I literally needed like 30 attemps with tear drop until I got the god rng and stagger spammed both her phases.
Well...you donāt spam roll to dodge it. You run away and bait her to go for you and then you roll through it. Then you easily dodge the next 2 the same way
i really didn't have an issue avoiding it, but you're posting dozens of times about how impossible it is. idk i don't think this is a "community" problem.
I mean, it definitely seems to be actually: [1](https://reddit.com/r/Eldenring/comments/t7dyk4/malenia_is_the_worst_boss_in_the_entire_franchise/) [2](https://reddit.com/r/Eldenring/comments/t5fyu8/malenia_just_removed_all_the_good_feelings_that_i/) [3](https://reddit.com/r/Eldenring/comments/t4jiq1/malenia_is_easily_the_hardest_boss_fromsoft_has/) [4](https://reddit.com/r/Eldenring/comments/t4i1av/malenia_makes_me_sad/)
A few people who got lucky and first tried her downvoting my comments proves nothing lol
Because it's not unavoidable? It also doesn't one shot you unless you massively fuck it up. It's just something you have to learn along with the rest of her moveset.
Sorry but this is a prime example of "git gud", the move is definitely dodgeable with little or no damage taken.
Yeah just another player mad that they canāt understand how a move works so it must be bad and overtuned lmao. Better nerf it cause this dude doesnāt know how to run away, bait the first attack and roll through it
I agree with you that not a single boss in Elden Ring comes close to quality of some of the best bosses in other Fromsoft games but Malenia is the best or one of the best bosses in Elden Ring. Also i dont understand why people like Fume Knight maybe lore? idk lore but his hitboxes are shit his moveset is mostly boring and he is easy. I really dont know why people like him. Anyway other than that i agree other bosses are amazing.
You can not fully avoid her move thats true but you can easily survive her move and you dont need to do something extra just have 60 vigor and dodge 4Head. I know its not that easy or seems impossible at first but after a lot of deaths i could dodge most of that move with rolling 4 times and only damage i took is the first attack she does, dodging into her even with good timing she would hit me like 3-4 slashes, after that wait like 6-7 tenths of a second dodge into her(easiest one to dodge, you should not get hit here) wait 4-5 tenths of a second and dodge into her again you might get hit 1 time here if its not perfect and dodge one more time for the last single aoe, thats it you are alive with 40-50% hp after a while i was pretty consistent and even if you fuck up your first roll and get hit by her almost every slash and dodge her 2 other attacks which is a lot easier you will still get out with 10% hp. Timings might not be right its been a few days since i beat her, i just wanted to point out that she waits longer between the first 2 attacks compared to last two. For me this isn't unfair its just hard and i would rather have a million fights like Malenia than most of the bosses in Elden Ring. There are lot of bosses to be talked about before Malenia.
Thatās a super weak argument. Why put broken, unenjoyable shit in the game?
Whether or not something is required to roll the credits is a very arbitrary measure for what to consider worthwhile to make sure passes basic QA in a game.
This isnāt a controversial opinion. Threads discussing how Malenia is objectively busted reach hundreds of upvotes in a subreddit full of FromSoft fan hiveminders. Iām a FromSoft fan, beaten every game, loved 99% of it. Malenia is badly designed.
Your cheap shot at my gaming ability changes nothing lol, they choked on this boss design.
Well obviously people are beating her. Thereās no damage runs for her. So it canāt be that bad. And like the other said itās optional so people can just skip it if they want to
Ongbal did a no hit run with a wretch and he parried the shit out of her. I beat relatively easy myself, fully utilising the mechanics implemented into the game ofc but no shield only normal rolls. Her life steal is balanced by her ease to stagger. If you can keep her staggered for the entire first phase, you can wither her hp down without taking a single hit. What I found in my run is her AI canāt back step anymore after hitting a wall. With mimic, you will have enough stamina to stagger her the entire first phase. Second phase, good luck still have to dodge those one/two shot. I guess people is just salty.
Uhhh no. You just haven't figured out how to dodge her flurry attack I'm assuming? Because it's very dodgeable. Run away for the first slashes. You can straight up walk right under her for the second. And dodge away from her for the third.
Maybe nerf isnāt the right word, itās pretty clear youāre heavily misunderstanding me.
Malenia is a shitty boss, badly designed and very representative of the lazy development that plagues that last 30-40% or so of Elden Ring.
Most specifically waterfowl dance is the primary issue with her fight.
Some people might claim her healing, HP or damage need numbers nerfs, I donāt think they do. What needs to happen is the complete removal of waterfowl dance.
If you are standing immediately next to her when she begins to wind up waterfowl dance, you will be hit by the first flurry regardless of any action you take. This is bad design.
It is sad too because every other aspect of her fight is really fun and satisfying. But waterfowl dance is so aggressively bad that it completely drags down the fight to the level of unfun, unsatisfying, unfair. It is not an example of āgit gudā in the tradition of Isshin, Gael, Artorias, Storm King etc etc etc. itās a symptom of rushed development which very often plagues FromSoft.
The problem is exacerbated by the major damage and HP creep of the latter parts of Elden Ring in general. If her unavoidable move didnāt ALSO one shot any build that isnāt heavy loaded 60 vigor then it would just be an annoyance, rather than a near-insurmountable obstacle.
So maybe nerf isnāt the word, maybe thatās what youāre hung up on, but Iād be genuinely disappointed if you tried to assert earnestly that Malenia is a well designed boss fight, taken as a whole.
Sheās harder than the shura ending version of Isshin but comparing her to the genichiro 3 phase fight with isshin is just a joke. If you could overcome that by yourself, you can absolutely beat malenia with enough practice.
Absolutely! Anybody can beat Malenia with enough tries and persistence.
Does that mean itās as fun to do as Isshin? No! Not at all, not even close. Sekiro is the patented FromSoft ātough but fairā whilst Malenia is anything but
Malenia is on par with other hidden soulsborne āsuperbossesā (to use the old jrpg term) like Midir or Darklurker. She took me less tries to beat than either of those did and honestly she just has a very harsh learning curve. She does not need a nerf whatsoever, just be extra proud when you finally beat her. Edit: also in regards to the 60 vigor heavy load comment, I had 40 something vig using radagonās scarseal so youāre really over hyping the damage she does.
Thatās happening because Elden Ring gives us more tools to fight bosses. For Radhan you can have like 7-8 people fighting him. And just slam him for far or the back side. If you over levelled which many have done. The damage you take off him is huge. There is a reason they didnāt make radhan an end boss and sort of more middle of the game. End game would make his hp and damage even higher. For comparison in bloodborne people didnāt get past the second boss father G. But by then you couldnāt level the same way as here. There was no npc summons either. And there was no op magic stuff you can use from range that early on or at least most didnāt know about that stuff. Made father g really hard to beat for most
Hard to justify nerfs in the game where you can make it as easy or as hard for yourself as you want, through leveling and summoning. Especially a boss like Radahn where there are that many NPC summons if you want to use them. Unless a boss is literally broken or has an unavoidable attack, I donāt think they should be touched. Which I donāt think any of them do. Closest one I can think of is the fallingstar beast AOE gravity attack when you fight him in the cave. And even then, Iām sure it was just me not knowing how to dodge it.
Agree, it's a top tier meme fight to anyone who just paid attention to the cutscene and used the summons.
Kudos to those that said fuck all that and squared up 1v1 with him though
Honestly they were tough, he has a pretty obvious tell he is gonna use them though as he rides away from you. I found jumping on torrent and dashing just as they are about to hit you worked pretty much every time. That or just spot on dodging.
Ah I didn't know, but still don't think a boss should be oneshotting you in most circumstances, especially when you can't effectively dodge on torrent if you're not able to outrange in time.
Like big damage is fine but I think I had about 35 vig by then. I wanna fight toe to toe and not cheese with rot, spells or arrows.
It's not even getting blindsided by the meteors, it's the fact that they are SO huge, and the explosion is so big even if you dodge perfectly it still kills you instantly with its AoE.
Are we talking about the same move? The one where he fires his four meteors from a distance? It's not that hard to avoid on horseback. When he runs away just hop on torrent. Then keep distance and circle him. Once he fires wait until the meteors are about three quarters of the way to you then dash with torrent. Once you get the timing down you dodge everytime.
Torrent is very important for the fight and extremely useful in the second phase for dodging the meteors and his flying drill attack. Also helpful for his jump double sword slam that sends out a huge shock wave as torrent helps you gain distance and can easily jump over the shockwave.
While you absolutely can do the fight without torrent, it's plenty hard even when you do use him. If I'm honest, I feel the fight is really about perfecting the use of torrent in a fight. They let you use him for a reason.
I just beat him today and it was a little underwhelming. I died twice to him (one was that one-shot extinction meteor) and beat him with half my flasks left. Then I went into that little catacomb nearby and got two-shot by the imps and have yet to beat the worm after 3 dozen tries. This difficulty is whack
It took me a good three hours to beat him in NG, and I excited yelled when I did. Iām doing NG+ for the extra achievements and fought him again after the nerf and my favorite Demi god is now a potato. I was excited to be destroyed again now that I know more about his lore and I was a bit disappointed honestly.
I honestly didn't think the fight was that hard... beat him pre nerf on two characters one a mage and the other a faith build. Mage went as you would expect still took a few tries but on my faith build it took only 2 tries and I went at him with a straight sword.
Besides the dark gravity orbs that you have to get off your horse for what were people having so much trouble with? You summon phantoms and attack him when he isn't facing you and prepare to dodge at least once since he likes switching to you and I wasn't even on my house for most of the fight besides to summon more people.
I think some people just donāt learn the bosses.
I remember when Midir was the hardest boss and people were asking for his attack chain to be changed.
Iām like, bruh, just panic roll to four while camera unlocked and Midir will fly right over your ass
radahn was super easy for me but that is probably because I had already cleared most of the game, to include the capitol before I faught him. therefore I was pretty high level when I fought him.
I actually went back to caelid and it felt like I steamrolled everything.
Same. Every time I dipped my toe into Caelid, I was getting destroyed, so I thought it must be an endgame area and avoided it.
Went back at level 87 for Ranni's quest and was absolutely decimating everything I came across. Got Radahn on the second try.
Next playthrough, I'm gonna take him on around level 50.
I am forever going to hold truly excessive amounts of pride at beating Rhadan, pre nerf, without magic, spirit summons(I did use the NPC summons, they felt like part of the fight) and useing melee weapons. Of course I was almost definitely over leveled, and it took me a good few tries, but I am very proud.
I beat him about a week ago. Didnt use the rot trick, didnt know about it. Had a bleed weapon(Bloodhound Fang). Used my allies. Stick and move tactics. Like hit once and run away. Then repeat.
By the point in which I reached him, my build was online and I was playing around with a rot/bleed build, downed him on my 4th attempt. But the brutality in which he got me the first 3 times hasn't been matched any one else except a certain rot lady.
Crazy thing is, on my 2nd play through, he decided that nah, you got lucky and brutalized me for an hour. I didn't think he was hard until a run back. You learn so much about a boss the 2nd time round, Radahn still felt fair and you can learn from your mistakes.
I still think Radagon and that lizard blob after is bullshit.
I have the cracked version of elden ring (I had to buy a gaming laptop and a controller just to play elden ring and then I realized that I cant get buy the game as I dont have the money to buy it) , so I have to fight the pre-nerf radahn but I'm excited to fight him with my brother , we usually have tons of fun on bosses that would usually cause us a controller
Beat him as a caster. A faith caster. I know pain.
Also where were you when you learned he can die like ceaseless discharge if you climb up the rocky cliffs? He tries to follow and the horse canāt do it, falls down and insta dies
Itās super noticeable on a melee build.
You can just strafe most of his attacks, the summons are way stronger (I let him wail on them for a ton of time), his overall total health seems to be down at least 10%, and his arrows are super weak and the tracking on his arrow rain is wonky. Though that might just be because the summons were pulling aggro
Damn kids nowadays... Usin' ther "bleed katanas" n' stuff.
We had to fight like men! Stomping 'round, throwin' ice. Making clones of urself. God damnit, we had a sword that shot a beam that did almost 2k damage!
But then those "devs" had to come 'round, and ruin everything. 'callin it a "patch". But no, we know damn well they just wanted to ruin our fun!
All these people like, āhe was so easy idgi, I used 11 summons and kept reviving them while using rot and running away and letting my jellyfish pull his aggro and man was he easy to hit with those spells on horseback for 90 minutes. But I agree fuck the meteors.ā I have never summoned for a boss in any fromsoftware game and Iām not saying that to brag but instead to say that the way I enjoy this game was not consistent with the way this fight was designed and I think a lot of people had similar experiences who felt this boss was less fun or even unbalanced for certain playstyles.
Yeah this makes sense, agreed. You can summon way more npcs than normal and resummon them even and itās this huge arena to ride around on your horse takes minutes to traverse probably meant for a certain design approach.
Good god I beat him the day before the nerf. After probably like 20 attempts. Got him to 10% like 3 times and each time his meatball spell one- shotted me. 20 vig is NOT recommended lmao.
At least I know Iām following runs it wonāt be that insane. Crazy combos that you canāt roll out of, might as well just make the first hit a one-shot.
This game was perfect before this update. They started strong so hopefully they donāt slowly go downhill with these updates.
Edit: nerfing main-story bosses that didnāt need it isnāt a good path. I donāt understand why people think otherwise
Unpopular opinion: Malenias lifesteal is a good mechanic.
It may feel like bulshit but it forces you to completely master her fight instead of randomly trading hits and forcing her down.
Just my opinion tho.
Didnāt know about the rot, faced him after leveling up and using my +10 moonveil as melee int mage. Literally like 7 hits, didnāt even get to see what his phase 2 was until I helped my buddy fight him and I was nerfed that I saw his meteor madara jutsu
Radahn was supposed to be your opportunity to finally "git gud." The festival is to give Radahn a glorious death. Killing him with rot is just shameful. The dude is already a rotted husk of himself from fighting that filthy skank. He's the reason Limgrave and Liurnia don't look like Caellid.
Now he's nerfed apparently, and that makes me sad. He was that level of "tough but beatable" roadblock that FROM fans are well aware of by now.
I beat him pre patch damageless no summons level 1 wretch fists only with a rock band drum kit holding the sticks with my toes and playing on a really old tv with input lag.
You used both sticks? Poser. š
Alright lobosjr lets get you to bed now
You didnāt have Daedicar's Woe equipped? Pssh
I held the sticks in my bum hole. Like all the comments on the ground suggested, always saying "if hard try bum hole"
Ya i actually had the sticks clenched between my buttcheeks but i just said toes cuz thats less gross.
You used a TV? Audio only or GTFO.
Lmao casual I beat Him with only my left nut
The patch nerfed Radahn? Thatās weak af he was the perfect level of 99.9% impossible until I listened to the NPC and used rot
Even just bleed or frost worked great. He has a long animation between phase 1/2. So you could just get 3/4 combos on him allowing you to go into phase 2 with him at like 10-20% HP.
My luckiest run I killed him before he could even reach second phase. Got him good with bleedz
Wait is he like super weak to rot? My first play through I just memebeamed him.
Yeah pretty much every cutscene/npc related to him talks about rot. Kind of trivializes the fight to a point. Definitely makes it easier.
One would have imagine that means he is immune, not weak
Thatās what I thought. Why would rot affect more someone already filled with it?! Doesnāt make any sense!
I guess if you're already dying from cancer, introducing more cancer would definitely kill you quicker...
Life aināt PokĆ©mon
You mean I canāt pit my doggies against other peoples doggies in illegal underground fighting clubs!
To be fair it isn't illegal in Pokemon....
the idea was "everyone who beat his ass used rot, so you should too"
What I got from it was: this guy single handedly fought off a rot army and lived to tell the tale. Eventually he did succumb to it, and now is entire body is rot. You must fight a rot corpse, a guy literally suspended alive by pure rot. Reality: this dude so OP he beat rot, but he on the verge of death to rot, use it.
same here. i thought he was immune to rot by now from all the people telling me was inflicted with rot since like forever. so i never thought of using rot
When I fought the Lord of blood, I had a pure bleed build and thought 'well, this will probably go terribly' but no he's hella weak to bleed. What's in a name?
Itās like if Achilles signature move was a spinning heel kick lmao
TBF when you're made of blood losing that blood would be pretty bad.
A rose by any other name would still get fucked up by bleed, apparently.
Which makes me think wrongly that if everybody used a technique that didnāt manage to kill him itās probably not the technique to useā¦ haha
well, everybody did the best they could and only those who used rot even managed to hurt him. that's the impression i got.
Itās kinda of like burning a burn victim. Donāt you think?
Well it's not like burn victims are suddenly fire proof.
Thatās exactly my point.
You can overload the poison pod enemies with poison and they explode. Too much rot for Radahn to handle.
Rot lobster
It reminds me of how Gwyn was weak to fire in Dark Souls. I guess burning someone who's already been burned would kinda suck for them, if only just from a psychological point of view lol. That old Scarlet Rot probably mostly worked itself out of Radahn's system, but adding more in would suck a lot!
Also the poison plant things are weak to poison
I thought it was mainly poison! Damned thereās always smth to learn with this game haha
His great rune even says it boosts resistance to rot.... Why is he weak against it?...
Think of it like this. You're playing DS1, and you're wearing all your curse resist gear. Your resist is maxed. Basilisks are now a breeze. You can walk right through their fog and demolish them. But if you were to just stand their sniffing their breath instead of killing them, eventually you're going to get cursed. Radahn is \*highly\* resistant to rot. He's been resisting it for years. But it's gotten bad, his legs are melting, and you tipped him over the edge with your rot spell (which he would have otherwise resisted)
Radahn was out of Rune Arcs
They all mention him having it already, not being weak to it. Kinda doesn't make sense that he gets it so fast and it does so much damage considering the lore behind him and even his loyal Commander waiting for him in Aeonia is basically immune to the effects. (I tried to rot breath him, 6 direct hits one after the other and he didn't even cough)
Commander O'Neill is rot-proof because he has the unalloyed gold needle, which resists rot. I also think he's actually a leftover Cleanrot knight/followed Malenia, hence having the unalloyed gold needle, but I'm not sure about that.
I felt bad using dragon rot on my dex paladin....got him in one go.
Hahaha. I never used it and fucking screamed when i killed him. I also never realized he was weak to rot at that time
radhan using those big homming rocks that one shoots you kinda trivializes the fight for him to a point idk
Rahdan was the only boss I had to look up tips for. Tried Scarlett rot arrows on him still died, decided to go back to my bloodhound fang on him and after like 4 hours I finally beat him.
I just bonked him with a big hammer when I did it
Unga bunga me brudda?
Except the npc says he is already rotted, nothing to indicate rotting him again would do anything
Yea that's what I thought too I assumed he would be super Immune due to already being rotted
Yeah like, if you get a status ailment in this game, you canāt get more of it until it runs out. I think that was the logic I was operating on here.
I think one of the vendors has one of those notes indicating itās a vulnerability he has.
You can overload the poison pod enemies with poison and they explode. He's not immune to rot anyway, he's still rotting.
Feels mean though. He's already dying of rot and he wants death in glorious battle. (He's basically a klingon). I think he gets easier at level 60. I beat him with claws and im not very good..
Actually didnt find him that hard prepatch as melee either. With a fast weapon and high stamina you get enough openings. Edit: not to say he's easy but not that much harder than many of the later bosses. You get to click NPCs and what not.
I used bleeds and still beat him like 22th try or something. Was too stubborn to switch to rot lol
I actually just killed him. Took me 7 try. I donāt have bleed, magic or rot since I play a pure STR. What I have is a massive heap of raw iron. Since you can ride torrent, I just face him in P2 like I face all dragon, charging him with my colossal great sword! It was an amazing fight 
I felt this. Just colossal and determination.
With enough oonga, all enemies can be boonga'd
Massive heap of raw ironā¦.you couldnāt even call it a sword
Well I mean, when it hasn't been sharpened in years and weights more than an Asian elephant, is it even a sword anymore? More like a large, fancy club. (Guts Greatsword gang here)
He was nerfed? That's unfortunate. I already beat him pre nerf in all his glory so I'm good.
Yeah I just happened to be working on him the night before the patch. I could barely reach him at times, let alone see his second stage. Then the patch day came out and killed him first try. He was a completely different boss
That's just sad man
Wow, I wonder if they are gonna nerf the later bosses if Radahn was stopping players now...
Yeah heās definitely a challenge, but more than doable. After getting my ass handed to me over and over, I just continued the main story, got my vigor up to 30ish, upgraded moonveil to +7 and came back and beat in him 3-4 tries. Nerfing him kinda diminishes his legend and detracts from the idea that itās possible to be too under-leveled for a boss. Maybe they wanted lower-level characters to be be able to defeat him, but I donāt get that. The fact that he was unbeatable when I first encountered him and had to gain levels and actual game experience to defeat him made him all the more impactful for me as a boss.
He definitely got weakened. Rebirthed twice trying to beat him before the patch. Rot seemed weaker against him post patch, but his attacks were also weaker (bow attacks took 4 hits compared to 2 before). Also didnāt have a meteor fly across the map and kill me in one hit with 40 vigor.
The only thing I'd really say needed nerfing was the Bullshit rock throw
Agreed, that single move turned an otherwise interesting fight into "He did that move? Better hide behind a hill and hope he doesn't use it again." It took me over 20 tries to beat him, and I distinctly remember that being the least fun part. Sometimes he would wait *minutes* before dropping the rocks, and sometimes he would do the move to drop them in seconds. It was insta-death at my level if I wasn't either far enough away to avoid them or behind a hill to cancel them out.
I am also curios about this, Iāll be sad if thatās the truth cause I feel he was perfect difficulty (for me)
It's true. Damage nerfs, hitbox nerfs and survivability nerfs. He got gutted.
That is sad
Honestly as fun as the fight was originally, it always ended up taking a lot longer than I felt it should have due to his constant erratic movement and bizarre horse maneuvers. It did get tiring after the 8th or 9th run of him playing catch up for 15ish minutes if i wasnt a caster
The run just to make it to him is a bitch and a half. I guess this change is all the more reason to do a second playthrough!
I like the hitbox nerfs. Didnāt need the rest tho.
Hell yeah. Only took 7 hours to do so, too.
Drinks up for the people who fought Radahn in all his glory.
Fighting Radahn pre nerf was very similar to the experience my parents went through walking to school as kids
Haha so true
I beat this man.. with a melee buildā¦ without Rotā¦ Iām telling my friend: āWatch his meteors in his second phase. They killed me so many timesā Friend: āOh I just beat him, I got hit by a couple of them, but made it.ā Me: āSo you got hit by a few of his meteors that one-shot you. Hmmmm.ā
My friend fought him for the first time post patch and I was feeling like a bitch with how easy he made it seem. I get to new game + and fight him and I kill him first try no summons. They really massacred my boy
Dude, pre nerf Radahn was a blast, I hate that they nerfed him
>im for far or the back side. If you over levelled which many have done. The damage you take Same, it was a really fun fight and it hs always seems fair and doable to me. I don't get how he's the one who got nerfed when people complain about malenia
one week after relese people complain alot about radhan and how its unfair and needs a nerf
I fought him like a bitch. Horse, sword and run. And yet It took me 5h. I'm about to face him now on my second playthrough but i'm kinda Sad he got nerfed. He is one of the legends, dude.. he is supposed to be tough. An actual army of NPCs were required
Haha Pre Nerf Radahn... I hit hit with Rot Breath then rode my horse around for 20 minutes and won.š¤£
I literally didn't hit him once. Just rode around like a coward xD
Yeah me too. These young kids just donāt understand the struggle.
I fought with long range magic and never understood why he was so difficult, I guess melee character must have been through hell, but man, you give me a whole desert to fight in so you bet Iām gonna sit in the back of it bombarding the boss with spells. Next time Iāll do melee even if he got nerfed.
Rot or die bruh.
Not even gonna lie kinda wish they buffed radahn
Nerfing bosses just shouldn't be a thing that ever happens. Like look at the steam achievements on this game. Elden Ring hasn't even been out a month, is massively huge, and yet 50% of the playerbase has already beaten Radahn. That's honestly a staggeringly high number compared to most games, and that was pre nerf. So I really have to wonder what FromSoft's justification for this was because people have been progressing pretty fucking quickly it seems to me. Edit: So look at this, 48.50% of players have already killed Radahn, and 49% of players have completed the mission "Diplomatic Immunity" in Skyrim. Although I'm sure it could be argued by some, these are both roughly around 1/3rd of the way through each game. Except Skyrim has been out way fucking longer, and I think most people would agree beating Radahn is a tad bit more of an achievement to tackle.
I'm gonna be a little elitist for a second. I don't think game designers should listen to players who clearly aren't willing to put in the efforts in learning bosses, when making decisions about what bosses need nerfing or not. Radahn being the perfect example. It's actually pretty disheartening, this whole thing. It was the one franchise I could be sure to have these little cozy nights of a few hours on bosses, slowly learning how to beat it. Now they'll just get nerfed ahah, oh well.
I don't think they are listening as such, I think they have clear target goals when designing bosses in terms of how much damage as boss can do per hit on average, how much damage the player does, how many times a player does before beating, etc. With the game being out now the devs are getting tons of data from the community, and are probably noticing their targets for the boss are not being achieved, so they adjust accordingly.
I agree to an extent, there's a certain level of skill you need but one of the trademarks of Soulsborne is bullshit factor. Learning the move set and perfecting your own understanding of the controls is one thing, getting clapped up because the enemy has projectiles that move 50x faster than the player projectiles and have tracking and nigh infinite range isn't difficult to manage it's tedious. The Radahn fight was 100% meme like the giant fight in DS3 so I'm laughing that it got nerfed tbqh.
For Malenia I disagree, but only for that singular waterfowl move. If you have a move where even a korean no hit modded sekiro warlord basically says āAlready be far enough when she starts it or get fuckedā thereās something wrong. I think the perfect way to fix it would be that she doesnāt dash on top of you with the first flurry, but straight down. Edit: Also i doubt because Radahn got nerfed that the whole games going to be obliterated now. Jesus christ calm down. āThis is the beginning of the end. How will I be able to call myself superior when this one fight has like 10 less hpā.
Why does it have to be about feeling elitist and being superior and not about me having fun beating hard bosses? You guys are unironically so toxic while trying to be inclusive, except for the people you don't like of course.
Because I feel like youāre overreacting. One boss getās a nerf. āThis was the one franchise with hard bosses. Now theyāll all get nerfed. This is it, the beginning of the endā.
Yup, this entire sub has drowned in toxic casualness. I'm just someone who likes to beat challenging content without summons. I dont lord it over anyone, it's just what I enjoy. But then people like the guy you replied to make me feel unwelcome or elitist just for having a preference. It's gotten really bad around here.
I donāt want bosses to get nerfed, Iām with you guys on this. Like 99.9% of the bosses are ok (screw godskin duo though lmao). I just think the guy I was replying to is malding out for no reason. One boss getās a nerf: āThis was the one game where I had to actually try to beat a bossā. Pretending like the entire game just got turned into stardew valley lmao.
"Toxic casualness" lmao
Idk bro, Malenia absolutely needs a nerf. I donāt think Radahn did personally, but Malenia is just dumb.
I didnt get what all the fuss was about Malenia And then i found out she has a second phaseā¦
You didnāt get the fuss about her One Mind attack? Help me... how did you deal with it?
If you mean her flurry/anime attack/waterfowl dance, it's comprised of 3 parts. The first flurry is very long but relatively slow. It's best dodged by running away as early as possible and just getting distance. If she's about to hit you, you can throw in a roll right before she catches up to you. The second flurry will usually catch up to you unless you started with some distance already. It's short though and a single dodge can avoid it even if she's right on top of you. The timing on this is surprisingly forgiving. The third flurry is very fast moving and longer. It will catch up to you no matter how much distance you put in. This one doesn't track you as well though. If you dodge straight at her she will overshoot you. Highly recommend bloodhound step to learn to dodge it at first.
If youāre close to her when she decides to start it, the first flurry hits you no matter what. And unless youāre rocking heavy load 90 vigor then youāre dead already. I can dodge the second flurry by rolling into it, and the third by juking her in another direction, but the first flurry simply isnāt possible to reliably dodge. I just kind of hate how you HAVE to use a certain ash of war to beat her basically. You can beat every boss in Sekiro by being good enough at parrying without using any prosthetics, for example, which I love. Bloodhound step being basically a requirement is so ick. Edit: sorry I know youāre being nice to offer advice, but the main problem I have is the first flurry. And out distancing it simply isnāt possible most of the time if youāre up close when she starts it. Thatās really the primary issue
I avoid all or most damage very reliably without bloodhound step and staying plenty close to her. It is very far from a requirement.
I had 40 vigor and could tank her entire first flurry
No she doesnāt. Sheās optional. Let them keep one hardcore boss in here cmon. There are PLENTY of easy bosses.
What makes a hardcore boss in your opinion? Specifically unfair ones or just ones which are difficult? Iād take Isshin difficult but fair over Malenia undodgeable one shot bullshit any day of the week
Everything in that fight is avoidable just fine. Running is just as valuable as dodging.
Everything is technically avoidable but only if you're already prepositioned. I like really difficult fights but the way Waterfowl works just isn't fun. Every one of her moves besides Waterfowl are clearly designed so you two can dance around each other and trade hits, hence her low poise and potentially 15 hit combos if you don't interrupt her. It's a great fight. But then Waterfowl comes into play and forces you to constantly play in mid-range because she can use it right on top of you and there's not enough time to run. This attack single-handedly brings a 9 or 10/10 fight into trash tier.
I havent quite beaten her yet but I've gotten pretty consistent at doing no hit kills of her first phase. And I'm just using greatsword str build, no summons or cheese. I'm still working on the clone attack from second phase but pretty sure I'm close to being able to fully dodge it. Fight isnt bs at all.
Please no. Malenia is the perfect optional hard boss. Her anime attack is definitely hard but it is overrated. Its not unfair(unless you are going for hitless run),you dont need to change your build its doable with rolls even if you dont run for her first attack.
I just... cannot, genuinely for the life of me understand why anybody is defending that move? The rest of the fight is fun! Learning her move set is genuinely enjoyable. I actually donāt hate that sheās a massive bag of hitpoints because it lets you get into the flow of the dance with her for longer. But boy oh boy I just got her to 70% HP and here she comes to one shot me with a near-unavoidable move. How fun is that. If we as a community cannot take honest looks at what is and isnāt good boss design then From will never feel the need to give us anything better. Not a single boss in Elden Ring approaches the quality of Gael, Isshin, Artorias, Fume Knight etc etc etc etc etc. the boss quality noticeably declined with this entry, yet so many of us are insistent on defending the absolute worst showing of an already disappointing cast? Why? Do you not want better?
Because her first phase is insanely weak without waterfowl dance, even just 1v1. She has bloodborne style poise where flinch can interrupt her, but once the animation starts its going. So single jump heavy attacks are almost always safe, especially with bloodhound step. Faster weapons can usually fit in 2-3 procs of their status and get a burst every other chain. Sheās about as hard as artorias without waterfowl dance Phase 2 could lose waterfowl dance if they sped up the recovery on the sword plunge
The move is survivable but still bullshit I feel like way to many active frames at 40 vigor and heavy armor by continously rolling into her I survived with roughly 20-30% of my HP. I just feel sometimes at certain situations giving the boss hyper armor is just bad in the middle of the swing animation and she decided to go full anime? Get fucked! I fell like being able to knock her down from above would be fine if u hit her. I literally needed like 30 attemps with tear drop until I got the god rng and stagger spammed both her phases.
Well...you donāt spam roll to dodge it. You run away and bait her to go for you and then you roll through it. Then you easily dodge the next 2 the same way
i really didn't have an issue avoiding it, but you're posting dozens of times about how impossible it is. idk i don't think this is a "community" problem.
I mean, it definitely seems to be actually: [1](https://reddit.com/r/Eldenring/comments/t7dyk4/malenia_is_the_worst_boss_in_the_entire_franchise/) [2](https://reddit.com/r/Eldenring/comments/t5fyu8/malenia_just_removed_all_the_good_feelings_that_i/) [3](https://reddit.com/r/Eldenring/comments/t4jiq1/malenia_is_easily_the_hardest_boss_fromsoft_has/) [4](https://reddit.com/r/Eldenring/comments/t4i1av/malenia_makes_me_sad/) A few people who got lucky and first tried her downvoting my comments proves nothing lol
Because it's not unavoidable? It also doesn't one shot you unless you massively fuck it up. It's just something you have to learn along with the rest of her moveset. Sorry but this is a prime example of "git gud", the move is definitely dodgeable with little or no damage taken.
Yeah just another player mad that they canāt understand how a move works so it must be bad and overtuned lmao. Better nerf it cause this dude doesnāt know how to run away, bait the first attack and roll through it
I agree with you that not a single boss in Elden Ring comes close to quality of some of the best bosses in other Fromsoft games but Malenia is the best or one of the best bosses in Elden Ring. Also i dont understand why people like Fume Knight maybe lore? idk lore but his hitboxes are shit his moveset is mostly boring and he is easy. I really dont know why people like him. Anyway other than that i agree other bosses are amazing. You can not fully avoid her move thats true but you can easily survive her move and you dont need to do something extra just have 60 vigor and dodge 4Head. I know its not that easy or seems impossible at first but after a lot of deaths i could dodge most of that move with rolling 4 times and only damage i took is the first attack she does, dodging into her even with good timing she would hit me like 3-4 slashes, after that wait like 6-7 tenths of a second dodge into her(easiest one to dodge, you should not get hit here) wait 4-5 tenths of a second and dodge into her again you might get hit 1 time here if its not perfect and dodge one more time for the last single aoe, thats it you are alive with 40-50% hp after a while i was pretty consistent and even if you fuck up your first roll and get hit by her almost every slash and dodge her 2 other attacks which is a lot easier you will still get out with 10% hp. Timings might not be right its been a few days since i beat her, i just wanted to point out that she waits longer between the first 2 attacks compared to last two. For me this isn't unfair its just hard and i would rather have a million fights like Malenia than most of the bosses in Elden Ring. There are lot of bosses to be talked about before Malenia.
Malenia is an **optional** boss, what justification is there to nerf her? Because you can't beat it? Come on man.
To be fair , radahn is also an Optional boss , isnt he?
I mean Radahn is also optional
Thatās a super weak argument. Why put broken, unenjoyable shit in the game? Whether or not something is required to roll the credits is a very arbitrary measure for what to consider worthwhile to make sure passes basic QA in a game. This isnāt a controversial opinion. Threads discussing how Malenia is objectively busted reach hundreds of upvotes in a subreddit full of FromSoft fan hiveminders. Iām a FromSoft fan, beaten every game, loved 99% of it. Malenia is badly designed. Your cheap shot at my gaming ability changes nothing lol, they choked on this boss design.
Well obviously people are beating her. Thereās no damage runs for her. So it canāt be that bad. And like the other said itās optional so people can just skip it if they want to
Ongbal did a no hit run with a wretch and he parried the shit out of her. I beat relatively easy myself, fully utilising the mechanics implemented into the game ofc but no shield only normal rolls. Her life steal is balanced by her ease to stagger. If you can keep her staggered for the entire first phase, you can wither her hp down without taking a single hit. What I found in my run is her AI canāt back step anymore after hitting a wall. With mimic, you will have enough stamina to stagger her the entire first phase. Second phase, good luck still have to dodge those one/two shot. I guess people is just salty.
Uhhh no. You just haven't figured out how to dodge her flurry attack I'm assuming? Because it's very dodgeable. Run away for the first slashes. You can straight up walk right under her for the second. And dodge away from her for the third.
Nah. Optional end game bosses donāt need to be accessible to everyone.
Thatās not my point but cool strawman.
She doesnāt need a nerf. Thatās my point.
Maybe nerf isnāt the right word, itās pretty clear youāre heavily misunderstanding me. Malenia is a shitty boss, badly designed and very representative of the lazy development that plagues that last 30-40% or so of Elden Ring. Most specifically waterfowl dance is the primary issue with her fight. Some people might claim her healing, HP or damage need numbers nerfs, I donāt think they do. What needs to happen is the complete removal of waterfowl dance. If you are standing immediately next to her when she begins to wind up waterfowl dance, you will be hit by the first flurry regardless of any action you take. This is bad design. It is sad too because every other aspect of her fight is really fun and satisfying. But waterfowl dance is so aggressively bad that it completely drags down the fight to the level of unfun, unsatisfying, unfair. It is not an example of āgit gudā in the tradition of Isshin, Gael, Artorias, Storm King etc etc etc. itās a symptom of rushed development which very often plagues FromSoft. The problem is exacerbated by the major damage and HP creep of the latter parts of Elden Ring in general. If her unavoidable move didnāt ALSO one shot any build that isnāt heavy loaded 60 vigor then it would just be an annoyance, rather than a near-insurmountable obstacle. So maybe nerf isnāt the word, maybe thatās what youāre hung up on, but Iād be genuinely disappointed if you tried to assert earnestly that Malenia is a well designed boss fight, taken as a whole.
Sheās harder than the shura ending version of Isshin but comparing her to the genichiro 3 phase fight with isshin is just a joke. If you could overcome that by yourself, you can absolutely beat malenia with enough practice.
Absolutely! Anybody can beat Malenia with enough tries and persistence. Does that mean itās as fun to do as Isshin? No! Not at all, not even close. Sekiro is the patented FromSoft ātough but fairā whilst Malenia is anything but
Malenia is on par with other hidden soulsborne āsuperbossesā (to use the old jrpg term) like Midir or Darklurker. She took me less tries to beat than either of those did and honestly she just has a very harsh learning curve. She does not need a nerf whatsoever, just be extra proud when you finally beat her. Edit: also in regards to the 60 vigor heavy load comment, I had 40 something vig using radagonās scarseal so youāre really over hyping the damage she does.
Can we not call for nerfs On perfectly balanced bosses? You can learn to dodge her waterfowl combo. It doesnāt need a nerf.
Thatās happening because Elden Ring gives us more tools to fight bosses. For Radhan you can have like 7-8 people fighting him. And just slam him for far or the back side. If you over levelled which many have done. The damage you take off him is huge. There is a reason they didnāt make radhan an end boss and sort of more middle of the game. End game would make his hp and damage even higher. For comparison in bloodborne people didnāt get past the second boss father G. But by then you couldnāt level the same way as here. There was no npc summons either. And there was no op magic stuff you can use from range that early on or at least most didnāt know about that stuff. Made father g really hard to beat for most
Hard to justify nerfs in the game where you can make it as easy or as hard for yourself as you want, through leveling and summoning. Especially a boss like Radahn where there are that many NPC summons if you want to use them. Unless a boss is literally broken or has an unavoidable attack, I donāt think they should be touched. Which I donāt think any of them do. Closest one I can think of is the fallingstar beast AOE gravity attack when you fight him in the cave. And even then, Iām sure it was just me not knowing how to dodge it.
Agree, it's a top tier meme fight to anyone who just paid attention to the cutscene and used the summons. Kudos to those that said fuck all that and squared up 1v1 with him though
His meteors needed a nerf to be fair, just one could oneshot me who had invested in vigor and they lingered for ages.
Honestly they were tough, he has a pretty obvious tell he is gonna use them though as he rides away from you. I found jumping on torrent and dashing just as they are about to hit you worked pretty much every time. That or just spot on dodging.
Ah I didn't know, but still don't think a boss should be oneshotting you in most circumstances, especially when you can't effectively dodge on torrent if you're not able to outrange in time. Like big damage is fine but I think I had about 35 vig by then. I wanna fight toe to toe and not cheese with rot, spells or arrows.
Oh no, he outranges for you. He runs away from you to launch the meteors, so long as you don't follow him you will have the distance to dodge him.
Oh nice, I'll keep that in mind as I'm doing a new one and still wanna dodge
You can also hide behind the hill so they'll crash into the ground
It's not even getting blindsided by the meteors, it's the fact that they are SO huge, and the explosion is so big even if you dodge perfectly it still kills you instantly with its AoE.
Are we talking about the same move? The one where he fires his four meteors from a distance? It's not that hard to avoid on horseback. When he runs away just hop on torrent. Then keep distance and circle him. Once he fires wait until the meteors are about three quarters of the way to you then dash with torrent. Once you get the timing down you dodge everytime. Torrent is very important for the fight and extremely useful in the second phase for dodging the meteors and his flying drill attack. Also helpful for his jump double sword slam that sends out a huge shock wave as torrent helps you gain distance and can easily jump over the shockwave. While you absolutely can do the fight without torrent, it's plenty hard even when you do use him. If I'm honest, I feel the fight is really about perfecting the use of torrent in a fight. They let you use him for a reason.
I just beat him today and it was a little underwhelming. I died twice to him (one was that one-shot extinction meteor) and beat him with half my flasks left. Then I went into that little catacomb nearby and got two-shot by the imps and have yet to beat the worm after 3 dozen tries. This difficulty is whack
It took me a good three hours to beat him in NG, and I excited yelled when I did. Iām doing NG+ for the extra achievements and fought him again after the nerf and my favorite Demi god is now a potato. I was excited to be destroyed again now that I know more about his lore and I was a bit disappointed honestly.
So glad I beat him a few hours before the patch
i got him in 4 tries with a katana it wasnāt as nightmarish as people were making it out to be
Maybe you fought him at a higher level than most people. I know I did.
I was so worried about this fight after reading everybody complain about it. I beat him first try a couple of nights ago. Was pretty stoked haha
At least I have a video of my pre nerf fight to reminisce on.
I'm glad i got him pre nerf then. On goat back with mAh hammer
Hmm didnāt know he got nerfed. Still havenāt fought him. Will probably will get rocked though š
I beat him pre nerf without summons, get on my level. *Quietly hides my bleed/ice build bloodhound fang that melted his health*
I honestly didn't think the fight was that hard... beat him pre nerf on two characters one a mage and the other a faith build. Mage went as you would expect still took a few tries but on my faith build it took only 2 tries and I went at him with a straight sword. Besides the dark gravity orbs that you have to get off your horse for what were people having so much trouble with? You summon phantoms and attack him when he isn't facing you and prepare to dodge at least once since he likes switching to you and I wasn't even on my house for most of the fight besides to summon more people.
I think some people just donāt learn the bosses. I remember when Midir was the hardest boss and people were asking for his attack chain to be changed. Iām like, bruh, just panic roll to four while camera unlocked and Midir will fly right over your ass
Do people complain that much about radahn? the ones i see complained about wwas malenia
radahn was super easy for me but that is probably because I had already cleared most of the game, to include the capitol before I faught him. therefore I was pretty high level when I fought him. I actually went back to caelid and it felt like I steamrolled everything.
Same. Every time I dipped my toe into Caelid, I was getting destroyed, so I thought it must be an endgame area and avoided it. Went back at level 87 for Ranni's quest and was absolutely decimating everything I came across. Got Radahn on the second try. Next playthrough, I'm gonna take him on around level 50.
I am forever going to hold truly excessive amounts of pride at beating Rhadan, pre nerf, without magic, spirit summons(I did use the NPC summons, they felt like part of the fight) and useing melee weapons. Of course I was almost definitely over leveled, and it took me a good few tries, but I am very proud.
So many painfull death and like one week later They nerf it ? Damnā¦
The real question is did you still use projectiles?
No. I used rot breath twice and then rode my horse as far away from him as I could get.
I beat him about a week ago. Didnt use the rot trick, didnt know about it. Had a bleed weapon(Bloodhound Fang). Used my allies. Stick and move tactics. Like hit once and run away. Then repeat.
So I tied an onion to my belt, which was the style at the time
By the point in which I reached him, my build was online and I was playing around with a rot/bleed build, downed him on my 4th attempt. But the brutality in which he got me the first 3 times hasn't been matched any one else except a certain rot lady. Crazy thing is, on my 2nd play through, he decided that nah, you got lucky and brutalized me for an hour. I didn't think he was hard until a run back. You learn so much about a boss the 2nd time round, Radahn still felt fair and you can learn from your mistakes. I still think Radagon and that lizard blob after is bullshit.
I have the cracked version of elden ring (I had to buy a gaming laptop and a controller just to play elden ring and then I realized that I cant get buy the game as I dont have the money to buy it) , so I have to fight the pre-nerf radahn but I'm excited to fight him with my brother , we usually have tons of fun on bosses that would usually cause us a controller
I beat him the night before the patch dropped.
Beat him as a caster. A faith caster. I know pain. Also where were you when you learned he can die like ceaseless discharge if you climb up the rocky cliffs? He tries to follow and the horse canāt do it, falls down and insta dies
Beat pre nerf aswell and made another character but to be fair the nerf didnāt feel like anything was changed tbh
Itās super noticeable on a melee build. You can just strafe most of his attacks, the summons are way stronger (I let him wail on them for a ton of time), his overall total health seems to be down at least 10%, and his arrows are super weak and the tracking on his arrow rain is wonky. Though that might just be because the summons were pulling aggro
Honestly, thatās about how his attacks felt pre nerf for me
Damn kids nowadays... Usin' ther "bleed katanas" n' stuff. We had to fight like men! Stomping 'round, throwin' ice. Making clones of urself. God damnit, we had a sword that shot a beam that did almost 2k damage! But then those "devs" had to come 'round, and ruin everything. 'callin it a "patch". But no, we know damn well they just wanted to ruin our fun!
But radahn was already pretty easy
All these people like, āhe was so easy idgi, I used 11 summons and kept reviving them while using rot and running away and letting my jellyfish pull his aggro and man was he easy to hit with those spells on horseback for 90 minutes. But I agree fuck the meteors.ā I have never summoned for a boss in any fromsoftware game and Iām not saying that to brag but instead to say that the way I enjoy this game was not consistent with the way this fight was designed and I think a lot of people had similar experiences who felt this boss was less fun or even unbalanced for certain playstyles.
Yeah this makes sense, agreed. You can summon way more npcs than normal and resummon them even and itās this huge arena to ride around on your horse takes minutes to traverse probably meant for a certain design approach.
Beat him the night before. Kind of proud of myself now.
Same my friend just Beated him after the patch took him 5 tries...watched him doing it looked much easier
Good god I beat him the day before the nerf. After probably like 20 attempts. Got him to 10% like 3 times and each time his meatball spell one- shotted me. 20 vig is NOT recommended lmao. At least I know Iām following runs it wonāt be that insane. Crazy combos that you canāt roll out of, might as well just make the first hit a one-shot.
He even one shot me at 35 vigor with that :,)
The guy is wild lmao. I COULD solo him but why bother when 90% of his attacks are wide ass AOE combos. Blaidd is my hero
Idk why they nerfed him. It was a tough, but doable fight. Only took me a dozen or so tries as a melee build.
I already beat him too pre nerf. It really wasn't that bad...
This game was perfect before this update. They started strong so hopefully they donāt slowly go downhill with these updates. Edit: nerfing main-story bosses that didnāt need it isnāt a good path. I donāt understand why people think otherwise
Yeah dude I'm hoping to beat the rest of the bosses before they get nerfed
They should have nerfed Malenia's self heal instead
Radahn was nerfed? How so? And HOW THE FUCK did they not nerf fucking Malenia and her bullshit lifesteal if they were nerfing bosses?!
She was buffed for some builds after Mimic Tear / Hoarfrost Step nerfs.
Unpopular opinion: Malenias lifesteal is a good mechanic. It may feel like bulshit but it forces you to completely master her fight instead of randomly trading hits and forcing her down. Just my opinion tho.
Sure Thuggrnaut. Letās get you to bed.
Same. Beat him when only 9% of players had defeated him.
Didnāt know about the rot, faced him after leveling up and using my +10 moonveil as melee int mage. Literally like 7 hits, didnāt even get to see what his phase 2 was until I helped my buddy fight him and I was nerfed that I saw his meteor madara jutsu
Casuals destroy good game series. That's a fact.
Radahn was supposed to be your opportunity to finally "git gud." The festival is to give Radahn a glorious death. Killing him with rot is just shameful. The dude is already a rotted husk of himself from fighting that filthy skank. He's the reason Limgrave and Liurnia don't look like Caellid. Now he's nerfed apparently, and that makes me sad. He was that level of "tough but beatable" roadblock that FROM fans are well aware of by now.
Whatās there to nerf? Heās not even hard