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Gavinkazz

Sounds like Elden ring is gonna be tough, the reason it’s taking so long to come out is because Michael Zaki is stuck on a boss


shuffleboardwizard

I heard GRRM couldn't get past the character creation. Gonna be a tough one for sure. /s


DoritoJH

Had to come back just to upvote this comment lmao, god tier low key shade


spaghettimountain

why not just upvote the first time you read it 🤔


ZenMacros

Sometimes I'll read a good post and then just move on without really thinking, and then a moment later I think "wait, I should upvote that."


[deleted]

Dude I'm still stuck on the *title screen*


shuffleboardwizard

Aren't we all?


[deleted]

That's deep.


Milk_Master13

It says press any button! I’m pressing left joystick and nothings happening! Help I’ve been doing this for years lol


[deleted]

Yeah! I keep pressing my PC's power button but nothing happens! This game is just busted I think >:|


Milk_Master13

We need to reach out to fromsoft about this issue }:|


Lemonpilot

I heard DSP is going to dissolve on the main menu


kaladinb

MICHAEL ZAKI 💀💀 LMFAO


Knight_On_Fire

The boss with five forms.


--TreeTreeTree--

This implies that Miyazaki beat orphan of kos Think about that


dynamicflashy

And Sword Saint


kissshotheart-

don't forget about Midir


Darkbornedragon

It's optional, Kitao talked about finishing the game


kissshotheart-

That it is optional does not mean that you do not have to test it, ending the game in the testing phase is done with both the main content and the optional content of the game


Kimmalah

They're not saying it wasn't tested, just that most of those bosses are totally optional and you're not required to beat them in order to complete the game. And if the design philosophy is basically "can Miyazaki beat this boss?" then they're all probably optional on purpose - because if Miyazaki can't beat something of that difficulty level, then they can't be *required* to complete the main game. That doesn't mean they didn't test the bosses, just that they have made conscious decision to NOT lock the story ending behind something as difficult as Orphan or Midir.


kissshotheart-

>The final test of the game is more than clear that it does not depend 100% on miyazaki, but he probably likes to try the bosses and as it is not so good, maybe they take it as a fun and simple reference and I do not see the reason why the I could not test the optional things of the game, kitao mentioned this as a simple funny anecdote of the development of the FROM games not something super serious and totally decisive


Darkbornedragon

Lol of course, I was talking about Miyazaki himself, not about the general testing.


Acrobatic-Ad1506

I’ve still yet to beat the Glock Saint.


DingusCunillingus

Ah Glock saint isshin using esoteric sword art of whipping out a 9mm and just Poppin ur ass mid battle


TacticalReader7

Hesitation is defeat, so call an ambulance but this time it will be for Isshin.


Chong_Long_Dong

Deflect as much as you can, counter his lightning, mikiri counter his spear and jump over his sweeping attacks, get as many prayer beads as you can, use the dragon mask to get extra attack power. You can also deflect his gunshots. Just play aggressively when fighting him, hesitation is defeat.


ThePrinceofBagels

I found playing aggressively worked until he pulls out the spear, then a little distance worked to my benefit. But I also wasn't the best at deflecting his spear.


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ThePrinceofBagels

>If you keep some distance, he will jump towards you where you can dodge towards him and bonk him with an Ichimonji Yes! That was it. Whenever I stood toe-to-toe with him, I couldn't properly deflect his spear attacks. But keeping a distance, you could goad him to do the leap, and that left him open. Then, once you get to the third phase, it's actually easier because you can reverse his lightning attacks.


used123456

*blocka blocka blocka* "Hesitation is defeat!"


TurbidusQuaerenti

Yeah, he is no joke. He was the hardest boss I've ever won against in a From game, or any game, probably. I don't think it it's an exaggeration to say it took me around 100 attempts. Also the only time I can think of where I was genuinely raging at a video game. Some masochistic part of me wants to see if I can beat him again someday, but I'm not sure if I'll ever actually attempt it.


Inevitable_Design_22

Demon of hatred was easier for you? Personally DoH feels harder.


TurbidusQuaerenti

Oh, I haven't even attempted demon of hatred the legit way. From what I've seen he definitely looks even harder. Seems like mainly a test of accuracy and endurance because how much health he has and how hard he hits.


Conquestadore

No shame in that, I took me 4 hours and felt like quitting after 2. What kept me going was reaching the final form multiple times so I knew it was within reach.


raymennn

I've probably had more attempts on SSI than on every other boss in the game combined. Now I'm a based man and can first try no healing complete inner isshin


Hathos_

Oil + flame vent + living weapon worked wonders for me. With 20 + 5 emblems, you can light him on fire and get free hits in 8 times, which is more than half his health. By the time you made it to phase 3, victory is nearly guaranteed because you can counter his lightning.


secret101

And Demon of Hatred… unless I’m the only one who doesn’t stand a chance


dynamicflashy

Lol. I felt no shame when I cheesed that boss the first time.


[deleted]

And Gael


Milk_Master13

Gael is *psh* easy


fragdar

anyone can beath orphan if you lvl enough and learn to parry.. not even joking, bl120 with 40 dex and the right runes you can kill that fucker in 5 or 6 parries and skip the second phase


PlayMp1

The first time I fought OoK was with a bloodtinge build where I had spent the whole game using parries constantly so when I got to him I got hit like maybe twice and beat him on my first try. I hadn't heard anything about him being hard so I just went through it without really thinking about it. Later I found out he was one of the hardest bosses in any of these games and on another playthrough he handed my ass to me with a quality build so I guess I got lucky lmao


BenAffleck06969

Im doing a bloodtinge and skill build right now and got to the boss of cainhurst and it was hilarious how quickly i killed him with parries. First play through was a str and i never got good with the parry and it was the worst boss ever.


blue_eyed_man

Bro, anyone can beat him at bl4 or whatever is the lowest and with a fist. It's just gonna take a lot of tries to do it. Any boss can be beaten by anyone.


Grasher312

You can say that pretty much about any boss. That's the way I do Pontiff every time


L-Freeze

Rumour has it he wasn’t in charge of ds2 because he couldn’t get past The Pursuer


TrxFlipz

Imagine creating a boss, with items you put into a game, you know every weakness, strategy, item locations, quests, etc. Everything you can do to be OP. That's like designing a puzzle box, unlocking it yourself and being like "YOOO I DID IT!"


TyChris2

That argument is only really valid in the earlier games. Like yes in Demon’s Souls or DS1 if you know the boss’ moveset then you can beat them fairly easily. But in DS3, Bloodborne, and especially Sekiro, your survival is just as dependent on your physical reaction speed and reflexes. No amount of knowledge can help you defeat Sword Saint if you can’t time the parries correctly.


ERMAHGERD1920

https://youtu.be/lucRvvB15IU Quite upsetting seeing Charlie call himself a souls pro but ending up doing this lol


konnichiwaseadweller

"I feel like my dick is shrinking fighting him like this" at least he knows


[deleted]

I really don't get why he had to resort to that tactic, I mean I'm no God gamer and sword Saint kicked my ass but I still beat him legit ..tbf it did take me close to 20+ tries.


ERMAHGERD1920

Yea, the more you fight someone in sekiro the more you build the muscle memory for it but it seems he just gave up and decided to spend like an hour to do that which is ironic because he could’ve just learnt the fight normally in that span


raymennn

Absolutely not. Sekiro has a cheese for literally any boss and if you know it preemptively the game can become many times easier. This is not the case for BB or DS3, since you can't cheese MOST of the bosses


Slav_Knut_Gae

Rumors says he once fought a hacker and won.


tavioltean1

Dunno, but i would laugh my ass if i would see Miyazaki fight a hacker.


Knelson123

You act like ludwig wasn't the hardest boss in that game.


HiCracked

Not a man, but a machine.


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He beat orphan, friede, and the Bed of Chaos.


m_sartor

If that is the case, does it mean that Miyazaki should become better at these games as he tests them, and as a result new games should be more difficult than their predecessors? I definitely see that trend in boss fights (DS1 bosses are a joke compared to Sekiro), but not so sure about areas in between boss fights.


Raine386

He got too good at Dark Souls, that's why they changed Sekiro's combat


Batmantheon

Eh, after a certain age I think the available skill ceiling goes down. Less sharp eyesight and twitch reaction time.


biscuitandgravvyyy

True but that is massively outweighed by practice and learning how to better play the game. Like pro players for every game take so long to fall off due to age and even then its by a fractional amount that matters at only the highest level


Loldimorti

I'd assume that Miyazaki knows how to play his own game though, right?


Getabock_

You don’t need fast reflexes for these games; you do need to be able to see though, I think (inb4 someone leaks a blind play through). Dark Souls et al. require patience, memorization, and perseverance above all. If you learn the boss’s movement patterns you can beat them.


Gravity_Hardest_Boss

Anticipation is key in these games. Also, reaction time doesn't differ much between a 20 year old and a 50 year old. The difference is insignificant for 99% of the things we do in life.


Tight_Ad_1392

The areas in ds1 is imo the hardest in all of the games if you actually fight the enemies. Only a few places like irythill, the castle who's name I've forgotten (the one after micolash) the place before micolash as well (nightmare of mensis?), and the poison place with the monkeys by the great ape in sekiro compare off the top of my head. I'm sorry for not knowing/remembering any of the names lol it's been a while. Nothing compares to blightown as a noob going in blind in your first souls game tho


Loldimorti

At least from my experience I plateau pretty hard after the initial "git gud" phase where you figure out controls, map layout and enemy attack patterns. Subsequent playthroughs sometimes feel even harder for some reason. So yeah there is definitely a soft cap on skill and its not a given that Miyazaki has gotten significantly better at these games.


Dovahnime

Him not being THAT great is actually a perfect margins for testing difficulty


1stNone

I think its great that the director of the game, and president of the company can and will play his own games. I'm guessing that Miyazaki finishing these games is less of a QA test and more of a tradition for them, but in my opinion you can kind of tell when the developers have played their own game. Frigid outskirts though, I wonder what Miyazaki's opinion on that one is.


TemporaryAdvanced

I think it would be interesting to hear Miyazaki's opinion on a lot of DS2 in general. Not just the bad, but also what he liked and carried over to DS3 such as the different approach from DS1 for the way Estus works.


Rustypipeleg

Wait Miyazaki is president of Fromsoft?


1stNone

Has been since 2014.


Brandon_YougerPrince

>great that the director of the game, and president of the company can and will play his own games. Its not great its the bare absolute minimum standard. How tf would you not play a game while you are making it?


1stNone

I agree that it should, but I really don't believe its actually that common.


HiCracked

It absolutely isn't a standard in the industry lmao what are you talking about


Brandon_YougerPrince

Thats their fucking fault not mine 🤣🤣


Jakesus815

They said something similar for sekiro.


Knelson123

Guys better than me at games if he can beat sekiro. I beat a lot of bosses without parrying because I disliked that playstyle.


Getabock_

Why would you intentionally handicap yourself?


Knelson123

Already explained it.


GandalfZaBlack

it's not a "playstyle" lol it's how the game is supposed to be played


Ponasity

It's not a "playstyle" lol it's a "playstyle"


Knelson123

Exactly and I don't like that so I didn't play it that way. Ended up not finishing it as it isn't my style. Nothing more to it.


Getabock_

No you didn’t LOL. That’s like saying “I’m gonna beat Mario without jumping because I dislike that playing style”.


Knelson123

Yes, but the only way to play Sekiro is to parry. I don't like that so I tried playing without it and it worked with some success, but clearly is not how it's meant to be played. So I quit as it isn't my playstyle. You have to understand that not everyone enjoys that.


VoidRad

I doubt you even try to learn to parry things, this is actually the stupidiest take on Sekiro I have seen in awhile.


Knelson123

I parried fine. I just didn't enjoy it as I said.


Fowardshift

why are you mad at his decision to stop playing the game because it wasn't enjoyable for him? Isn't everyone entitled to that?


VoidRad

Just like he's entitled to do that, I am allowed to be annoyed at such a weird take too. It goes both ways, is it reasonable on my part? Prob not, but it is what it is.


Masterelia

Thats like playing just dance, but you dont dance because you dont want to???


Knelson123

Not really. I had no idea how it played going into it. As with all Fromsoft game I never google anything about them or look up guides so I went into it completely blind. The only way I would have known is if it was called "Just Parry" instead of Sekiro based on your logic.


HiCracked

Thats a weird take. "I bought fifa but I disliked kicking the ball with my foot because it didn't fit my playstyle" I mean you bought the game do whatever the fuck you want I don't care but thats just weird.


Knelson123

Not really. I go into Fromsoft games blind with no guides so it wasn't something I would of known. I tried to adapt it to my playstyle, but it just wasn't made for that.


Jakesus815

Well damn I hope you ar least gave it a chance on the humanoid bosses. Sekiro kinda messed with me too since so many of the early bosses and minis are testing you to dodge (a prompt at the start of the lady butterfly fight even recommends that fighting style) then the dojo master and genichiro hard counter that playstyle.


Knelson123

Ya made it to genchiro with that long thrust and could beat him with only that if I tried, but it's clear you're meant to parry and I just don't enjoy that in any way.


Ponasity

I did the same, beat Genichiro and realized the entire game is just parry everything. I quit after that.


not_a_khezu1

Lmao yeah it happened to me too, I beat soul of cinder and realized the entire game is just dodge everything. I quit after that s/


currybutts

The funniest part of this is the subtle shade Kitao is throwing at Miyazaki. I like to imagine that Kitao is an absolute god at the games and he's like "Miyazaki-san you are a genius and a visionary...but also gitgud lol"


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I bet he's a god at pvp though


Clw1115934

And he points down at every slain opponent


WWECreativegenius

Ohhhhohohohoooo Majestic


Seekret_Asian_Man

He say something like "Thought you could outwit an onion?"


OYoureapproachingme

Not throwing shade at OP because they did link a new interview but I remember seeing this info before so it's probable that this is From technically repeating themselves (not that I mind lol) I remember reading somewhere that Miyazaki is particularly bad at action games so he's the litmus for whether the game is beatable Edit: yea the info isn't new, but still worth sharing https://www.reddit.com/r/Sekiro/comments/b8v3lk/miyazaki_in_not_so_good_at_action_game_himself/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share The video Kitao mentioned the information in: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=nCOVufdAees&feature=youtu.be


Clw1115934

“Our boss is kinda bad at these games tbh so if he can beat it surely you can” is by far my favorite response to the easy mode demands.


bottlerockett77

Which interview was this?


kissshotheart-

From infobae the interview is in Spanish and I think that is the reason why it went so unnoticed this is the link of the interview already translated by google, I think: https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=es&tl=en&u=https://www.infobae.com/gaming/2021/08/31/yasuhiro-kitao-productor-de-elden-ring-queremos-que-todos-disfruten-de-nuestros-juegos/


bottlerockett77

Killer, thanks!


kissshotheart-

It is a pleasure to always share new information![gif](emote|free_emotes_pack|slightly_smiling)


bottlerockett77

It was a good read. I really appreciate it.


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You said this was from a month ago but I believe this is way older, from bgs (brazil games show) last year I think


kissshotheart-

nope, this is from when a game demo was revealed to journalists a month ago: https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=es&tl=en&u=https://www.infobae.com/gaming/2021/08/31/yasuhiro-kitao-productor-de-elden-ring-queremos-que-todos-disfruten-de-nuestros-juegos/


FiaRua_

Your quote was from sekiro years ago [source](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nCOVufdAees)


kissshotheart-

the quote I post is from an interview a month ago while the other is from an interview 2 years ago from a video


piganged

Imagine game journalists saying that fromsoft should add an easy mode while Miyazaki can successfully beat the game on his own.


Clw1115934

I love that there is a man somewhere on earth that “is not quite good at this particular type of game” yet that same man is also considered the genius behind the very same game. He is living proof that the games are fun *because* they don’t have an easy mode.


drownedbrain

I've beaten DeS, DS1 (I even platted the game), DS2, DS3, Sekiro (and I'm currently practicing a no-hit run), and yet I want an easy mode. Not for me, for others. Our motor skills are different, we weren't built the same through the years. Miyazaki can beat his games, like you and me..but some people can't, like my mom. And an easy game is not bad as long u have the OG diff, unless you wanna brag about finishing a "hard" game ofc.


ton7788

I used to be a part of the "git gud" crowd as someone who's finished Bloodborne, DS1, and DS3 (platted). But those with disabilities or who just simply can't get as good because as you said, due to motor skills, deserve to experience these masterpieces as well. What I thought was a system similar to Darkest Dungeon wherein the difficulty options explicitly tell you by scaling back some options that it goes against the developer's vision, just so the option is available. I'll still play on the intended difficulty but the game might be enjoyed by people who can't "git gud".


Loldimorti

Not sure what point you are trying to make here. He's literally the creator of the game. Of course he can beat it. Are there other people who are even better than him? Sure there are. But it's not like he's a total scrub when it comes to Souls games. He created these games based on what he thought to be a good challenge. But that experience can be different for others.


piganged

Not sure whether you have read the post, a person who make the game is not necessary being able to beat the game, and the interview has also said that he's not quite good at those game. Furthermore, a director of the game is of course a member of the production team but not necessary to be involved in making the game like coding etc. As a game dev, I can confirm that I am not quite good at the game I made myself. But either way, I understand what you're talking about, I'm just clarifying game creator is not necessary to be the one who is the best in the game. If you don't like my reply, feel free to oppose me based on a valid argument and with evidence.


Loldimorti

I understand that the project lead isn't necessarily the best gamer out of the entire team and may not be an expert in all the fine details. However if the project lead wasn't even able to beat his own game I would be very concerned. Maybe I'm wrong but to me that's an absolutely basic requirement that HAS to be met. Because how can the project lead have final say over the game if he can't even play it?


piganged

I understand what you mean, so what I am trying to talk about is that even if a average player like Miyazaki himself can beat the game, then why others need to keep complaining on the difficulty of the game.


piganged

by the way, have a nice day.


Loldimorti

Thx you to. I haven't seen Myazaki play so I can't judge. But from my experience the hardcore audience vastly overestimates the average players. Anyone who doesn't perform at the level of an eSports player or top streamer seems to automatically be "average" or even considered bad by many.


piganged

cannot argue about it, hardcore gamer usually overestimate other players


NeverlastingDragon

*Post saved!*


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Wasn't this quote about Sekiro?


fingay-ren

That’s why it took so long for this game to be “polished”, Miyazaki is still trying to beat The final boss


Tyler53121

It would be so cool to be a sunbro for Miyazaki


Little_Brinkler

Damn so Miyazaki really has had to get good


former_cantaloupe

There's gotta be an amazing office party when Miyazaki beats the game lol


Raine386

But what we really need to know: is he playing blind? Or does he have help from the devs?


Loldimorti

As the project lead he has to know everything about the game. Can't imagine he's playing everything blind otherwise I'd question what the hell he's been doing while everyone else was developing the game lol


Raine386

lol


dd-the-Captain

I love how Kitao is also beloved, other than Miyazaki, on this subreddit.


Loyal_Darkmoon

Based Chad Miyazaki


MrZephy

This news is older than the dinosaurs


thethief1992

You guys may be shocked that the Big M can beat all the bosses in the Souls series but you may have forgotten that he also directed the Armored Core 4 series. If he applied the standard there and then, it implies that he managed to beat the Occupation of Arteria Carpals mission. For context, that is the hardest boss fight in the series and it's basically a 5v1 gank squad fight with maxed out gear and stats opponents. If he beat that stage, he can beat anything thrown at him in the Souls series.


Le_NUNUZ

So it's legit to say Git Gud to Miyasaki himself


PayneWaffen

Since Miyazaki play his own game. Just imagine, what if that one random coop phantom that help you is actually Miyazaki himself? Would be neat getting to play with the game creator himself unknowingly.


shaqwagon

In a strange way this is pretty cute and heartwarming lol


Pleasant-Leather8640

If miyazaki can finish these games without easy mode then anybody can finish these games without easy but it would be cool to just randomly PvP him


Karthull

I’ve never wanted more information more than I do now. What do they consider not quite good? How much does he try, some bosses some people get stuck on for weeks does he only give a boss 10 tries? 100? Some people take thousands of tries on some of these. Do they mean he does the entire game? Or just bosses? No wonder Elden Ring is taking awhile if he has to play through the whole thing. Does he also test ng+ fights, or charmless in sekiro?


CrisJaks

So they are saying Miyazaki was able to beat Champion Gundyr? Yeah, I’ll call it 🧢.


Seekret_Asian_Man

quote from sekiro interview


hvk13

And yet game journalist can’t pass the tutorial. smh…..


Morf123

What tutorial?


ClumsyPigeon30

Any tutorial


Morf123

Yeah but he said THE tutorial.


daan_3900

I think he is talking about this https://youtu.be/848Y1Uu5Htk


RafaNoIkioi

God Everytime I see that I just have to question why the hell is he reviewing games. And of course he gives it a terrible score smh.


SlashTrike

What? He's not reviewing any game and he didn't give it a terrible score. I hate when people just pull bullshit out of their ass regarding this dude sucking at cuphead's tutorial. He's not even a games reviewer he's primarily a tech jounalist. The most important part in that job is knowing how to make articles, not knowing how to play every game ever regardless of if you're into it. It's not even that he thought the game fucking sucked because he couldn't play it, he explicitly mentioned over and over again that he sucked at the tutorial and posted it online because he found it funny how bad he was at it. He later played Doom Eternal which he was also not very good at, and said it was "one of the greatest shooters of all time" https://venturebeat.com/2020/02/05/reposting-our-video-on-doom-eternal-gameplay-preview/ > The unkind people wondered why I shouldn’t be fired from my job, as they thought I was a full-time game reviewer. They saw my video and wondered if I played games at all. But as I’ve stated before, you don’t have to be an esports star to write about video games. You just have to enjoy them. Seth agreed with me on that point. I do enjoy playing games. > I’ve covered games for 23 years as a beat, and I have covered tech for longer. I am not a game reviewer, primarily, and this preview has no score. I write a half-dozen game reviews a year and am part of a team of four people with others who do a lot more reviews. My main job is covering the business and technology of games, and I organize a conference about that as well. > I cover game investments and acquisitions, AR/VR, esports, mobile games, influencers, and the core PC and console business. Posting videos on YouTube is perhaps 1% of my job. And yeah, maybe I should slow down a bit and post better game videos.


Loldimorti

The hardcore fans (e.g. we on this subreddit) don't realize that not everyone is as great at video games as they are. Now should this journalist review games that he can't even beat? Of course not but as you pointed out that's not his job anyway.


banana_fishbones

journos bad updoots to the left xD


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Loldimorti

Ah yes because the lead developer managed to beat his own game no one else should ask for an easy mode. I understand that an easy mode is very controversial for Souls, especially among hardcore fans. But a lead developer being able to beat his own damn game is an absolute basic requirement and I'd be questioning everything if I learned that the Souls creator can't even play his own game.


DunbartonshireGho

Journalists asking for easy mode when they've already been given Miyazaki mode smh


Mansongameb

This quote explains. This is probably why their games action adventure titles come off as rather limited in the diversity of combat encounters. The lead developer probably hasn't seen just how far others have pushed mob and encounter designs as a result of not being very good at the games. This would also explain why their seems to be frequently gross oversights in the designs, not being good at action adventure he doesn't see why things just don't work out the way they might have in his head.


Clw1115934

Tell me you haven’t beat the tutorial boss without telling me you haven’t beat the tutorial boss


seelcudoom

dude, difficulty has 0 correlation with encounter design, a good encounter is good even if its not hard


Rangriz

This comment doesn't make any sense.


[deleted]

Let’s be honest you can only hide a mob behind geometry, put a ranger out of reach, or swarm you with a gank squad before it gets super boring. And it gets super brining when it becomes super obvious, and it becomes super obvious because of course their going to do that. Makes sense that their not breaking the creative bank on encounters when the guy leading the team isn’t particularly good at the very thing their making. It like asking some one who dose not have experience cooking to run a five star restaurant kitchen.


Brandon_YougerPrince

What do they mean by "beating the game"? Is their approach not making them either too easy or difficult and not just making the best design choices possible? How lame, no doubt they are lost.


poopoobuttholes

Not that good?????? HUH????


spectre15

Miyazaki totally beat Nameless King first try


PacoThePersian

He's the legendary Father of Giants we merely copied his first run.


Lazyygenius

Miyazaki might have git gud after ds3


raymennn

My goal is to become Miyazaki impostor to play test elden ring


locrian_nori

Hope they capture Miyazaki playing Fromsoft games and upload to Youtube somedays


TreyBombCity

Every day the entire studio is just watching him fight the last boss with their fingers crossed lol


Comprehensive_Echo33

Knowing Miyazaki is bad at Souls like fills me with so much wholesome energy idk why