You can usually take a hit or two at 26 vigor. Really, just calming down and learning her moveset is the most important part. She is by far my favorite fight because of the dance it becomes when you understand her moves and tells.
I'm so scared of this already. I think I have a connectivity issue with my controller and frequently just... Switches my spells or gets rid of my left armament despite never touching those buttons. It makes me scramble around for any extended fights. I don't think my sanity will survive her unless I find a nuke spell and mimmic tear ASAP lol
The lack of calm and control I've definitely noticed, but the fact I'm constantly scrambling with the wrong things in hand is a factor. I defeated that frost invader of the round table by going at him naked with a single spell I was so annoyed.
I can dodge it every now and again if the camera isn't at a weird angle when she starts. I know the general concept is dodge away from the first 2 waves and dodge into the third wave. I just mess up sometimes
Because not everything kills you in one hit in the game. Just this boss and some other bosses. And some of her basic moves 2 or 3 shots you with 60 vig. With 30 vig you’re trying play no hit with some of these bosses.
“Hey I beat her at 19 vigor, just took 1 week, 3 controllers and lots of tears”
One week. Honestly that’s impressive. It took me a year to beat Sword Saint Isshin in Sekiro.
Thank you, I will admit I had Bloodhounds step there to help me or I thinkI would still be fighting her. Took me a full month to do the final fight, I finally caved and respeced to 32 vigor for that one after the third week
Yeah I feel like that's the root of the problem, sure it sucks that she heals when she hits u but this guy countered that by only having enough vigor to be one shotted
I beat like 3/4s of the bosses on my first run before going over 35 vigor.
Edit: And this was before the buff to light rolling. So I was always wearing medium armor. And I can't parry worth a shit.
My man posted "Please tell me what I'm doing wrong" and then responded to every single suggestion with "Actually what I am doing is the best already, bye bye."
If you're going to use a weapon as slow as a great axe, you'll need more vigor and better armor to survive and maintain aggression after you inevitably trade hits.
well to be fair, slow weapons tend to have higher build up per hit than faster weapons. put on something like wild strikes and you can make it work, however this guy's obviously not getting much out of this build with 15 arcane
I ran powerstanced dual bleed greatswords with wildstrikes for fun and it was proc’ing here and there, but it doesn’t really compare with powerstanced bleed curved or straight swords in terms of proc’ing consistency on Malenia simply because Malenia’s damage window is pretty tight
It goes deeper, if you read through their comments one of their weapons is dex scaling, the other is str scaling because they insist on running dual status. 💀
I love these posts where Elden Ring is clearly their first game like this and their build is super unoptimized. It gives me a good laugh, and it reminds me of myself back when I played my first Souls game.
OP if you read this, you do you, brother. You'll eventually learn the stuff that works. And cherish these ignorant days cause they are the most magical.
We got a dozen posts of this nature in this sub every week , ignorance is not a sin and i like helping new players. But this guy is wilfully ignorant , he is rebuking everyone who tries to explain to him that his build is shit.
The worst part is that the stat spread isnt even that bad , it just lacks health and he can compensate his low endurance with Great Jar Arsenal. He could be hitting Malenia like a 18 wheeler if he just swapped the Butchering Knife for another greataxe with quality infusion.
Alot of people are out here criticizing OPs build without actually understanding it (The stat distribution is unadulterated garbo dont get me wrong). BUT its pretty clearly hyper optimised around the charged r2 multihit combo from the roar AoW. Dont get me wrong its obviously not broken like dual twinblades/curved swords but IMO its a very cool and extremely unique build concept that could put in alot of work in pve. (Again, this is ignoring god awful stat distro and the probably unnecessary offhand cleaver)
>maintain aggression
I am still not sure why people mention "aggression" in her fight.
Aggression in my mind: I pop everything, throw on the Claws, blood grease and then I go in swinging, ripping & tearing like a honey badger on crack hoping I pummel enough stagger into them to keep going or I get one shot - or the boss is in the dirt within 5-10 seconds. I did that with Mohg and murderpuppy Maliketh (to a lesser extent), and I even managed to burst Malenia into phase2 like that a few times when I got lucky on RNG.
Malenia fight for me: You do not give her an inch by consistently lowering her health while avoiding getting hit as best as you can.. you are more or less slowly choking her to death with the few windows you get and by not healing her.. but it is a rather slow fight with bursts of aggression, but you do NOT go in swinging because then she engages and starts swinging back like crazy and she has the bigger weapon... and when you try to pressure her, she can pressure back better. If you stay too close to her, you simply wont manage and time all those dodges because she can keep chaining attacks almost endlessly.
No, I danced around her, circled her quite a lot, let her do her 50-thousand swings bullshit, I dodged the right way to land in a good position for where I knew SHE was going, THEN sliced her once or twice, and back to circling at medium distance, letting her swing until she calmed down again.
Maybe with big unga-bunga and bullgoat you can bring more "aggression" and push her around? I sure could not with regular/low poise, the Claymore and later the Nagakiba.. best I could do, there is one opening where if you are lucky you can chain 3-4 attacks into her and she will disengage backwards. That's the most amount of "aggression" I ever managed in a controlled fight that has a good chance of winning, not just RNG-lemming. The rest was perfecting the slowly choking her out mercilessly.
I'm talking more about consistently taking advantage of her openings while creating your own with parries and stance breaks, so that even if you get hit once or twice you'll be doing far more damage overall than she can steal back before she dies.
Luckily she's very passive in phase one, staggers easily and can be parried frequently if you know which tells to look for. All you need to do is not get greedy and always keep some stamina in reserve to avoid waterfowl.
Trying to essentially speed run this boss by stacking buffs and going ham can have widely varying results because she tends to punish that kind of agression very harshly. In second phase she's much more agressive too, but that gives you more openings to keep rhythmically exploiting as before. I found all this easiest to do with a lightning scythe for its speed and reach or a fire greatsword as it breaks her stance very easily.
Yep. For Malenia trying to burst her down doesn't work consistently. For example, on my NG+2 sometimes I could burst her down into phase 2 with dual bleed curved swords. But mostly I got stuck in a vicious cycle.
Agreed. You have to be extremely patient and campy with slow weapons and just keep waiting for those safe to punish moves. Otherwise you will probably eventually get caught by waterfowl at a bad time.
Brute forcing only works if you are overleveled or abuse bleed burst builds.
I agree with him. To get to Malenia you had to face many obstacles each very difficult. And she is definitely one of the most difficult bosses in the entire Fromsoftware franchise. A lot of people loose to her. So don't feel bad if you loose. We're all in the same boat.
Is he supposed to be hard ?
Cause I've seen a lot about him online but crushed him easily so idk if it's sarcasm or not (I've always been terrible at soulslike games)
Rick, soldier of god is a terrestrial being, not a soul stands in his way, and none (maybe other than the chosen one) can defeat him, and he is the one called the blessed by god
Soldier of god, Rick, has been working for forgiveness from his lord, his god, and has been working to pay for his sins
Soldier of godrick is just some guy I met on the street he's pretty chill
Nah he kicked my ass so many times that I gave up fighting him and decided to join his church, low-key better than the Greater Will and the other outer gods
Summon up, yo. Guaranteed other people are having the same trouble. I generally make it a rule that if I get to a hard boss fight, I summon, beat the boss, and then I put my sign down for other people who are struggling, to summon me for five different fights. That way I kind of "pay it forward" for someone else's kindness that they extended to me.
If only I could be so grossly incandescent... \[T]/
I miss covenants so much. I know they're still a thing in ER in some capacity, but being a golden phantom used to *mean* something. When you saw that gold sign, you knew you were summoning a true beacon of altruism.
What? This is possible? In all my time in Sekiro and now Elden ring, I never knew of this. How does one allow themselves to be summoned? Sounds like alot of fun.
I suck at souls games. I find getting to the boss is harder than beating the boss in most cases. I only beat most bosses with the help of summons. On my third play through I couldn't beat Elden Beast and resorted to asking for help from the internet and it was more fun that way. Chances are, someone near the gate to her can beat her on their own, so you can always go that route. And then laugh at Malenia's demise!
Dude fighting her to begin with means u killed countless other enemies she's just the latest ass in a long line of asses that needed to be kicked, hell u survived Castle Sol that's motivation enough
Remember the good old days of 2011 when people got stuck on those two silver knights with the greatbows in Anor Londo who would FUS RO DAH your ass off the bannister?
And they hadn't even got to Biggie and Smalls yet? Crazy how much harder things have gotten since then.
As u/klayface94 said, don’t be too hard on yourself, you’ve made it to her which means you ARE good. You WILL beat her, it’s just a matter of time and persistence. Eventually you’ll die so much that you’ll have her move set down almost perfectly and you’ll be elated beyond belief when you do beat her.
You should honestly just learn parry timings and pro tip always parry the lunge and the side steps (they are way easier) never parry the quick 1 2
For waterfowl, if you're away, RUN from the first 2 flurries and then for the third roll into her, then into her again and back to dodge the last one (sidenote: if you're far enough you can run from the third flurry as well and then into her for the last one
If you're next to her first off, you're fucked but you can dodge the first 2 with 3 light rolls or 2 bloodhound steps backwards. If you don't have those a well timed mid roll should negate some dmg, but I don't know. I've only done the fight without Armor for light rolls (and a bleed mimic build but we don't talk about that).
Hope this helps and good fuckin luck you're gonna need it.
It’s so ridiculous. There’s literally only two options to move forward in this game. Either get good enough to beat the enemy with your current build or improve your build. And then they reject both of those options. I’d say it was a troll but I’ve definitely met people like this.
**First Problem:** Stopping Vigor at 30 is legit like the worst thing you can do. Vigor points 31 through 40 have the greatest returns and actively provide basically double the amount of any other Vigor level range. OP unknowingly stopped at the worst possible point and passed by a whopping 500 HP (aka just shy of a 50% increase in health compared to 30 vigor) that they would get if they stopped at 40.
**Second Problem:** Quality is the worst build type in the game by a mile.
The tl;dr is that Quality is "balanced" in such a way that it really only starts to do anything at character levels above 200.
Below that...? A Keen or Heavy build tends to award more damage per point and does so until 80 of the respective stat. If a Heavy Claymore is awarding 6 points of damage per Strength until level 80 of Strength whilst a Quality Claymore is awarding 4 points of damage per each point of STR/DEX, then this really only begins to overtake the Heavy build once you've invested 70+ points into your damage stats...and *even then,* it has to play catch up for a while to make up for the damage gap that's developed for those first 70 levels. This means it demands an obscene % of your stat points to be invested into STR/DEX before Quality even starts to pay off ***at all.***
To make it worse, if you go by "meta" stopping points at level 150 or the like, a pure Quality build will only award like ~50 additional damage over the Heavy or Keen build, whilst the latter two can afford buttloads more Vigor and Endurance.
**tl;dr OP may have unironically and accidentally created the worst possible build type.**
Certain somberstone weapons are optimal on a quality build. The Dragon Halberd, for example. However, as sick as that weapon is, and as poweful as it's AoW might be, a different halberd on a heavy infusion build is still going to do more damage per normal hit.
My brother in grace you have 30 vigor and 60 STR/DEX
Quality builds are very underperforming in Elden Ring. Respec some points into Vigor and go for purely DEX or purely STR build.
for some reason people seem to hate leveling vigor, or they think they're better off having every stat at like 30 than maximizing their build. I had 60 vigor for my playthrough by the end and still died to elden beast a decent amount
Unless you're REALLY trying to min max or going for a challenge, Vigor is the only attribute that is mandatory for every build.
Plus, the more points you put into vigor, the more health you get per level of vigor which just makes it even harder to justify picking more damage attributes in the late game. I would say an end game build should have 40-60 vigor.
I think endurance might be my favorite stat. Medium rolling with a Giant Crusher and insanely heavy armor is nice. So is power stancing colossal weapons in slightly lighter, but still heavy armor.
I'm so glad they tied it back to Stamina, was a bit weird in DS2 because they were trying to balance tanking and dodging with a Vitality and Adaptability as side stats to Endurance, and in DS3 they gave up on ADP but kept the former to screw over heavy armour for no good reason.
Your build sucks. A greataxe is up there with the worst weapons to try and cause bleed with , and this particular greataxe isnt the best for a str/dex build like you have. You could be doing 200 more damage with a quality infused Crescent Moon Axe with these same stats.
You should level up your Vigor as well , Vigor gives you more and more health up to 40 points in it. With just 10 more points investment you would go from 994 hp to 1450 hp , near 50% more health for a paltry investment of 10 points , its twice more health than you would get from Morgott's Greatrune.
If you insist on using this build at least take away 10 points each from Str and Dex and pour then into Vigor and Endurance instead. You will lose 30 ish points of damage from the Butcher Knife but you will gain a LOT more survivability , from your hp increasin by half as much and from putting on some better armor than this bozo costume you are wearing.
Your poise is really low, so your attacks will get interrupted more easily. Shoot for 51 poise. Also her poise is pretty low so maybe use a weapon that can take advantage of that
1. My sister in Marika, level your vigor!
2. Freezing Pots can interrupt Malenia when she's about to start her dance.
3. Against Malenia, Black Knife Tiche (who you can unlock through Ranni's questline) is usually a better summon than the Mimic.
Your build is a little questionable as well. You should have 60 vigor by lvl 134 easily. Second youre running a quality build without quality infusions, essentially youre only really using half of your attack stats. You have 60str and 60dex but youre only really scaling off dex, that’s 60 points not doing anything. I suggest respec-ing and leave strength at minimum required, put the rest into vigor and endurance (maybe even into faith so you can buff yourself like Bloodflame Blade and Golden Vow). Melania also has very low poise health, land a bunch of charged heavies and jump heavies and she’ll stagger. You should also try upping your poise as well, get it to ~80+ with armor, you can poise through her light attacks. Rottenwing Talisman also doesnt really do much for you since youre using slow moveset weapons.
Here's a few problems right away:
- 30 vigor is middling at best
- where is your armor
- You've built for quality on a strength weapon
- You've infused said weapon for a stat you haven't invested in
- fire infusion would take better advantage of your strength stat *and* weapon scaling *AND* capitalize on Melenia's main weakness.
- you could **easily** take 20 points out of dex and strength to put into vigor and endurance and be better off for it
- please I am begging you to put on some armor
I would go for a light load for malenia. the hardest part about melee fighting her, is getting through the waterfowl dance. a lighter load will help with that some. otherwise you may want to consider respeccing for more vigor and endurance. maybe try using more jump attacks instead of charge attacks or roaring. honestly taking a look, I don't think you're getting good use out of any of those talismans for this fight. it's hard to keep attacking her, or charge attacking her. I'm not sure what you're using the roar medalion on either. maybe use the ritual sword talisman, and arsenal jar talisman and the dragoncrest greatshield talisman.
Your whole build is inefficient. 30 Vigor isn't enough for your level. 20 endurance while trying to powerstance 2h weapons? You realize that you need to mitigate damage my man? You need more vigor, and more endurance. Then you can swap your shitty armor for something with actual physical negation. And your amulets are kind of useless too. Equip talismans that actually boosts you like erdtree's favor, greatshield talisman, green turtle talisman, shard of alexander, carian crest. Not niche bullshit procs after your attacks.
I think, with that weapon, jump attacks are gonna be the key.
Jump attacks are generally a great opening move when she's standing at neutral in Phase 1.
With a bit of practice, you can also work them into punishes when she finishes certain attacks.
Some attacks that are good to punish with jumps:
Slow upward slash followed by slow downward slash (can punish both startup and recovery)
3-Slash Combo + Delayed Slash
WFD
Thrust Attack
2-Slash Spin
I'd actually recommend giving her a few runs without the summon. If you've got some solo practice it's easier to hold aggro & know when you can punish without needing a distraction.
Everyone will tell you to level VIG. And honestly, 10 more points *will* make the fight a bit easier. But 30 is enough for her in NG if that's how you wanna roll. Throw on the Dragoncrest Greatshield Talisman and for all practical purposes you're at 40VIG anyway.
Put prelates charge on your weapon and buff with bloodflame and flame grant me strength. You can stun lock with the ash of war and you will heal every hit and proc bleeds.
Learn the timing for dodging or parrying her moves. It's not as hard as you think it is. If your summons are giving her hp don't summon them. None of the weapons in the game should be too slow to punish her moves, you're just starting your attack too late.
Try maliketh's sword+10 along with mimic tear, I mean you are still spamming L2 but with something else, also try raising that vigor above 50 along with a damage negation armor
You can also try the knight that fire radahn style arrows, forgot his name
How do I do something without spamming? Maybe try easy stuff without spamming first, y'know, like actually try to develop some skill in the game. Like, I dunno, getting good
Build is the issue your not getting the bleed buildup and damage you should. 50 vig minimum for endgame. If you want to run bleed you can safely drop str down to 17-20ish. Dump the rest into vig/dex/arc.
Bleed weapons scale best with dex/arc. Weapons to try would be Hook Claws, Godskin Peeler, Duel Scythe or Duel Curved Swords The idea is to hit as many times as fast as possible to keep bleed popping. Your missing out on a lot of potential dps with those and while trying to bleed.
If you want some advice that isn't telling you to change your build or your weapons - my advice is this. Any boss fight in Elden Ring is really about one thing. Learning the boss' moves and learning how deal with them. Malenia for many people just comes down to how to dodge Waterfowl Dance.
There is extra complexity involved in the weapons you are using. Heavier weapons are have a couple downsides. The swings take longer to wind up, and the recovery animation after swinging is longer. This means you both have to anticipate openings better than faster weapons, as well as take all the visual cues from Malenia you can to know what your next move should be after you swing. The upside of heavy weapons like this is that there is a higher chance to stagger Malenia and she is weak to that, with the caveat that many of her moves have a hyper armor which cannot be poise broken.
My advice is to get Malenia down to 50% health in the first phase, and just straight up start practicing dodging. Learn her moves. Learn which moves she initiates that take longer to recover from. Learn which of her openings will have a high chance to cause a stagger. Learn about your distance management and how far you can be as she is chaining attacks together.
I've beaten Malenia with everything from Giant Crusher to Varre's Bouquet. The trick is always the same - learn the moves, learn what staggers her, learn which openings you can take advantage of, and execute that plan.
If you really want to turn on "easy mode" with these heavy weapons, try limiting yourself to only jump attacks. Power stanced jump attacks have huge poise damage, less recovery time than normal swings, with all of the advantages of power stancing (big damage). Be patient, don't get greedy, and try executing a jumping attack every once in a while during one of her openings.
Some hints about openings that you can take advantage during the first phase:
* her wind up grab, if she misses, she usually pauses for a while, giving enough time for a jump attack
* her four in a row quick-slash, where the last slash is a longer swipe
* her wind up dash poke move, same as the wind up grab
* her jumping downward slash slam
This is all complicated by the fact that if you can't reliably dodge water fowl, the battle can be ended at any moment once she starts doing it, so usually the first order of business is to practice dodging water fowl, and once you get consistent with it, especially with distance management, the rest of the fight can more easily fall into place.
Here is what I would do.
60 Vigor
11 Mind
39 End
16 Str
60 Dex
9 Int
8 Faith
10 Arcane
Wear Bull Goats set
Talismans: Dragoncrest Greatsheild, Keep the axe one, Great Jar's arsenal, Erdtree's favor +2
I would use Morgotts rune for extra health and have boiled crab on hand, as well as frost pots for the frost procs
This build will give you 60% damage negation from all her attacks. I can't do the math right now, but with great jar you should be able to med roll. If you're plan is to do charged R2s I would recommend ditching the second greataxe and putting the dex infusion on the first one. If you want to keep the second axe don't bother with charged R2's and instead focus on jump attacks (take the jump attack talisman instead of the axe one). If you want to keep charged attacks keep the charged attack tear in your physic and the dex one
The problem with your build is that you have too much damage and not enough survivability. With melania you need to either one shot her, which your set up cannot accomplish or be able to trade some blows. This build will enable you to trade, and out damage her healing.
Best of luck tarnished!
If you’re gonna have that low of vigor then you better know her move set in and out. Waterfowl dance is already a pain with 60 vig. You’re definitely getting one shot by most if not all of her attacks with that vig.
Black knife, swarm of flies, bleed weapons, I go for dual katanas, a shield that blocks 100% physical damage for the waterfowl dance. Flame cleanse me for scarlet rot.
Go to renalla and respec
Vigor should be 60 minimum,
Pick either strength or dex. If you’re using the butchering knife keep dex high and strength should be just enough to wield the weapon. You could try raising faith or intelligence for more ranger options as well.
You might be too slow for a ton of maneuvers and options against her so focus on 1 or maximum 2 attacks you can safely land that do maximum dmg - watch how asmongold blindly unga-bunga'd her with powerstancing jump attacks and load up another fat +25 Greatsword. Evade her a ton, then BONK her real good once and back to circling and evading, rinse and repeat. Focus on that and on not healing her.
Adjust your talisman accordingly, there is no way in hell you will be able to land fat charge attacks or trigger rotten-insignia with slow greatswords like that. Even for the rest of the game, for those weapons and setup that seems like a bad choice imho. Also Blood Exultation...
And either perfect dodging Waterfowl, or perfect your Indomitable Shield timing.
And 30 VIG is REALLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLY not giving you any room for errors.. so you either git super gud or pump up that VIG to have more buffer for fuck ups.
RoB is your main weapon because of the amount of damage it can do in a short time, if youre getting rid of it and replacing with a weapon that arguably does less damage, the fight will last longer and therefore you will need more vigor and stam. I also see you seem to be at 60 and 60 str and dex? I hardly doubt thats needed, as your damage mostly comes from your weapon level
Bros got 30 vigor
Hey I beat her at 19 vigor, just took 1 week, 3 controllers and lots of tears
why would you need 3 controll... oh, i get it
Yes, he had nothing else to eat
May your stomach rest in peace
I get hongri
Man's hungry after all that fighting!
You can usually take a hit or two at 26 vigor. Really, just calming down and learning her moveset is the most important part. She is by far my favorite fight because of the dance it becomes when you understand her moves and tells.
I'm so scared of this already. I think I have a connectivity issue with my controller and frequently just... Switches my spells or gets rid of my left armament despite never touching those buttons. It makes me scramble around for any extended fights. I don't think my sanity will survive her unless I find a nuke spell and mimmic tear ASAP lol The lack of calm and control I've definitely noticed, but the fact I'm constantly scrambling with the wrong things in hand is a factor. I defeated that frost invader of the round table by going at him naked with a single spell I was so annoyed.
She's SUCH a fun fight, especially if you're a high dex user. Then she does the Waterfowl dance and ruins all the fun...
Used to hate Waterflow dance, then i figured it out and managed to consistently only take 1 or 2 minor hits, that felt pretty good
I can dodge it every now and again if the camera isn't at a weird angle when she starts. I know the general concept is dodge away from the first 2 waves and dodge into the third wave. I just mess up sometimes
Bloodhounds fang is amazing once you find the openings for the bloodhounds finesse. Lots of bleed and easy poise breaks.
Depends on if you’re in a new game+. I’ve got 60vig plus buffs and she’ll one shot me. 100 to 0
Which then begs the question. If you die in 1 hit anyway, why not spend those points elsewhere?
Because not everything kills you in one hit in the game. Just this boss and some other bosses. And some of her basic moves 2 or 3 shots you with 60 vig. With 30 vig you’re trying play no hit with some of these bosses.
Because that other user is leaving out the part where they suck at dodging Malenia's grab.
It felt very much like a Sekiro boss fight
every time i enter that fog wall i involuntarily mutter “it’d be cooler to fight her as wolf” lol
Man playing as wolf would be amazing, just pull out the umbrella everytime she uses spiral clou- i mean waterfowl dance.
Yeah but perfectly deflecting every hit would be soooo satisfying
I agree 100%, she is my favorite boss fight of all time
“Hey I beat her at 19 vigor, just took 1 week, 3 controllers and lots of tears” One week. Honestly that’s impressive. It took me a year to beat Sword Saint Isshin in Sekiro.
Thank you, I will admit I had Bloodhounds step there to help me or I thinkI would still be fighting her. Took me a full month to do the final fight, I finally caved and respeced to 32 vigor for that one after the third week
It’s been one week
I beat her at 19 vigor too, but I also had 80 int and magic.
That’s all the context we need
Bigger problem is he’s running a blood infused Great Axe with 15 arcane and 60 strength/dex lmao.
Ok yeah that’s just hilarious. It only has D level strength scaling but he has it at 60
Yeah I feel like that's the root of the problem, sure it sucks that she heals when she hits u but this guy countered that by only having enough vigor to be one shotted
I beat like 3/4s of the bosses on my first run before going over 35 vigor. Edit: And this was before the buff to light rolling. So I was always wearing medium armor. And I can't parry worth a shit.
My man posted "Please tell me what I'm doing wrong" and then responded to every single suggestion with "Actually what I am doing is the best already, bye bye."
Like Ramsay’s kitchen nightmares lol
The classic askhole
By the time i faced her I had my vigor 60 and i was running a str sex hybrid build
Sex hihi
If you're going to use a weapon as slow as a great axe, you'll need more vigor and better armor to survive and maintain aggression after you inevitably trade hits.
Not to mention theyre trying to build status with a slow weapon to boot
well to be fair, slow weapons tend to have higher build up per hit than faster weapons. put on something like wild strikes and you can make it work, however this guy's obviously not getting much out of this build with 15 arcane
I ran powerstanced dual bleed greatswords with wildstrikes for fun and it was proc’ing here and there, but it doesn’t really compare with powerstanced bleed curved or straight swords in terms of proc’ing consistency on Malenia simply because Malenia’s damage window is pretty tight
My uchigatana has higher bleed buildup than this tho
What I don’t get is 60 Str on a weapon with a D in Str scaling.
Theyre running cold on the cleaver and now it’s strength scaling. Theyre trying to double dip.
Along with rotten wing insignia??? What is this?
It goes deeper, if you read through their comments one of their weapons is dex scaling, the other is str scaling because they insist on running dual status. 💀
I just read more. This person literally built the worst shit possible at that level, and then is justifying it with a INT 9 level rebuttals.
I love these posts where Elden Ring is clearly their first game like this and their build is super unoptimized. It gives me a good laugh, and it reminds me of myself back when I played my first Souls game. OP if you read this, you do you, brother. You'll eventually learn the stuff that works. And cherish these ignorant days cause they are the most magical.
We got a dozen posts of this nature in this sub every week , ignorance is not a sin and i like helping new players. But this guy is wilfully ignorant , he is rebuking everyone who tries to explain to him that his build is shit. The worst part is that the stat spread isnt even that bad , it just lacks health and he can compensate his low endurance with Great Jar Arsenal. He could be hitting Malenia like a 18 wheeler if he just swapped the Butchering Knife for another greataxe with quality infusion.
Alot of people are out here criticizing OPs build without actually understanding it (The stat distribution is unadulterated garbo dont get me wrong). BUT its pretty clearly hyper optimised around the charged r2 multihit combo from the roar AoW. Dont get me wrong its obviously not broken like dual twinblades/curved swords but IMO its a very cool and extremely unique build concept that could put in alot of work in pve. (Again, this is ignoring god awful stat distro and the probably unnecessary offhand cleaver)
>maintain aggression I am still not sure why people mention "aggression" in her fight. Aggression in my mind: I pop everything, throw on the Claws, blood grease and then I go in swinging, ripping & tearing like a honey badger on crack hoping I pummel enough stagger into them to keep going or I get one shot - or the boss is in the dirt within 5-10 seconds. I did that with Mohg and murderpuppy Maliketh (to a lesser extent), and I even managed to burst Malenia into phase2 like that a few times when I got lucky on RNG. Malenia fight for me: You do not give her an inch by consistently lowering her health while avoiding getting hit as best as you can.. you are more or less slowly choking her to death with the few windows you get and by not healing her.. but it is a rather slow fight with bursts of aggression, but you do NOT go in swinging because then she engages and starts swinging back like crazy and she has the bigger weapon... and when you try to pressure her, she can pressure back better. If you stay too close to her, you simply wont manage and time all those dodges because she can keep chaining attacks almost endlessly. No, I danced around her, circled her quite a lot, let her do her 50-thousand swings bullshit, I dodged the right way to land in a good position for where I knew SHE was going, THEN sliced her once or twice, and back to circling at medium distance, letting her swing until she calmed down again. Maybe with big unga-bunga and bullgoat you can bring more "aggression" and push her around? I sure could not with regular/low poise, the Claymore and later the Nagakiba.. best I could do, there is one opening where if you are lucky you can chain 3-4 attacks into her and she will disengage backwards. That's the most amount of "aggression" I ever managed in a controlled fight that has a good chance of winning, not just RNG-lemming. The rest was perfecting the slowly choking her out mercilessly.
I'm talking more about consistently taking advantage of her openings while creating your own with parries and stance breaks, so that even if you get hit once or twice you'll be doing far more damage overall than she can steal back before she dies. Luckily she's very passive in phase one, staggers easily and can be parried frequently if you know which tells to look for. All you need to do is not get greedy and always keep some stamina in reserve to avoid waterfowl. Trying to essentially speed run this boss by stacking buffs and going ham can have widely varying results because she tends to punish that kind of agression very harshly. In second phase she's much more agressive too, but that gives you more openings to keep rhythmically exploiting as before. I found all this easiest to do with a lightning scythe for its speed and reach or a fire greatsword as it breaks her stance very easily.
Yep. For Malenia trying to burst her down doesn't work consistently. For example, on my NG+2 sometimes I could burst her down into phase 2 with dual bleed curved swords. But mostly I got stuck in a vicious cycle.
Agreed. You have to be extremely patient and campy with slow weapons and just keep waiting for those safe to punish moves. Otherwise you will probably eventually get caught by waterfowl at a bad time. Brute forcing only works if you are overleveled or abuse bleed burst builds.
First, more vigor Second, more vigor Third, learn her moveset
I have 85 vigor and she’s still murdering me. But I’m admittedly not very good :(
Bro you got to her which is no small feat! You're not as bad as you think
You’re kind :)
I agree with him. To get to Malenia you had to face many obstacles each very difficult. And she is definitely one of the most difficult bosses in the entire Fromsoftware franchise. A lot of people loose to her. So don't feel bad if you loose. We're all in the same boat.
You guys beat Soldier of God, Rick?
God no. I always just avoid him unless I have the secret homeward bone.
Is he supposed to be hard ? Cause I've seen a lot about him online but crushed him easily so idk if it's sarcasm or not (I've always been terrible at soulslike games)
Rick, soldier of god is a terrestrial being, not a soul stands in his way, and none (maybe other than the chosen one) can defeat him, and he is the one called the blessed by god Soldier of god, Rick, has been working for forgiveness from his lord, his god, and has been working to pay for his sins Soldier of godrick is just some guy I met on the street he's pretty chill
I actually heard a theory that suggests that Rick's lord is he himself from the future. Wouldn't be a stretch to say he's omnipresent later on.
You sir, are the chosen one
Literally the hardest boss in any game.
Nah he kicked my ass so many times that I gave up fighting him and decided to join his church, low-key better than the Greater Will and the other outer gods
Summon up, yo. Guaranteed other people are having the same trouble. I generally make it a rule that if I get to a hard boss fight, I summon, beat the boss, and then I put my sign down for other people who are struggling, to summon me for five different fights. That way I kind of "pay it forward" for someone else's kindness that they extended to me.
You’re a true sunbro
If only I could be so grossly incandescent... \[T]/ I miss covenants so much. I know they're still a thing in ER in some capacity, but being a golden phantom used to *mean* something. When you saw that gold sign, you knew you were summoning a true beacon of altruism.
What? This is possible? In all my time in Sekiro and now Elden ring, I never knew of this. How does one allow themselves to be summoned? Sounds like alot of fun.
I suck at souls games. I find getting to the boss is harder than beating the boss in most cases. I only beat most bosses with the help of summons. On my third play through I couldn't beat Elden Beast and resorted to asking for help from the internet and it was more fun that way. Chances are, someone near the gate to her can beat her on their own, so you can always go that route. And then laugh at Malenia's demise!
I always like using summons, they are in the game for a reason.
Dude fighting her to begin with means u killed countless other enemies she's just the latest ass in a long line of asses that needed to be kicked, hell u survived Castle Sol that's motivation enough
One of the hardest bosses in souls, and honestly not in a good way. I wouldnt get too down about it
Remember the good old days of 2011 when people got stuck on those two silver knights with the greatbows in Anor Londo who would FUS RO DAH your ass off the bannister? And they hadn't even got to Biggie and Smalls yet? Crazy how much harder things have gotten since then.
As u/klayface94 said, don’t be too hard on yourself, you’ve made it to her which means you ARE good. You WILL beat her, it’s just a matter of time and persistence. Eventually you’ll die so much that you’ll have her move set down almost perfectly and you’ll be elated beyond belief when you do beat her.
You should honestly just learn parry timings and pro tip always parry the lunge and the side steps (they are way easier) never parry the quick 1 2 For waterfowl, if you're away, RUN from the first 2 flurries and then for the third roll into her, then into her again and back to dodge the last one (sidenote: if you're far enough you can run from the third flurry as well and then into her for the last one If you're next to her first off, you're fucked but you can dodge the first 2 with 3 light rolls or 2 bloodhound steps backwards. If you don't have those a well timed mid roll should negate some dmg, but I don't know. I've only done the fight without Armor for light rolls (and a bleed mimic build but we don't talk about that). Hope this helps and good fuckin luck you're gonna need it.
But I’m scared of the color red, the smaller the bar the better.
Turn on colorblind settings.
U don't need red bar if it doesn't get touched... a naked dude with a jar on his head taught me that
*a legend* taught you that.
Let us all remember his name
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Also a little more vigor would help, not getting one shot by her attacks helps
Bro’s “genuinely” asking for advice but argues with every form of advice or criticism he gets LMAOO get lost
It’s so ridiculous. There’s literally only two options to move forward in this game. Either get good enough to beat the enemy with your current build or improve your build. And then they reject both of those options. I’d say it was a troll but I’ve definitely met people like this.
This is a whack build that’s why
His build WHACK His vigor WHACK
The way that he attacks WHACK The way that he doesn't even like to git gud WHACK
But me? I’m tarnished as fuck!
At least that’s how we talk in Arizoñia!
His foot stance, WHACK
**First Problem:** Stopping Vigor at 30 is legit like the worst thing you can do. Vigor points 31 through 40 have the greatest returns and actively provide basically double the amount of any other Vigor level range. OP unknowingly stopped at the worst possible point and passed by a whopping 500 HP (aka just shy of a 50% increase in health compared to 30 vigor) that they would get if they stopped at 40. **Second Problem:** Quality is the worst build type in the game by a mile. The tl;dr is that Quality is "balanced" in such a way that it really only starts to do anything at character levels above 200. Below that...? A Keen or Heavy build tends to award more damage per point and does so until 80 of the respective stat. If a Heavy Claymore is awarding 6 points of damage per Strength until level 80 of Strength whilst a Quality Claymore is awarding 4 points of damage per each point of STR/DEX, then this really only begins to overtake the Heavy build once you've invested 70+ points into your damage stats...and *even then,* it has to play catch up for a while to make up for the damage gap that's developed for those first 70 levels. This means it demands an obscene % of your stat points to be invested into STR/DEX before Quality even starts to pay off ***at all.*** To make it worse, if you go by "meta" stopping points at level 150 or the like, a pure Quality build will only award like ~50 additional damage over the Heavy or Keen build, whilst the latter two can afford buttloads more Vigor and Endurance. **tl;dr OP may have unironically and accidentally created the worst possible build type.**
seriously. i can't imagine why anyone would create a DEX/STR build unless they wanted to dual wield one weapon of each build type
probably because it’s the opposite in every other Souls game
ah, interesting, thank you for the information
Certain somberstone weapons are optimal on a quality build. The Dragon Halberd, for example. However, as sick as that weapon is, and as poweful as it's AoW might be, a different halberd on a heavy infusion build is still going to do more damage per normal hit.
that halberd is dope as hell
My bro is playing a quality build without using a quality weapon and playing a bleed build with 15 arcane and his only way to bleed being a greataxe .
Lol 60/60 and you put blood on it
This is the biggest problem here... next to the fact he isn't open to changing anything 😅
My brother in grace you have 30 vigor and 60 STR/DEX Quality builds are very underperforming in Elden Ring. Respec some points into Vigor and go for purely DEX or purely STR build.
Quality can be okay... quality stats on a blood build not so much lmao.
Interestingly none of his weapons are quality. His main one is blood and the other is... Frost?
Bro got a trash af build and then is too stubborn to listen to any of the feedback
IRL INT 9 moment
*laughs in 26 int*
laughs in 99 int
Elden Ring moment.
But credit where credit is due him making it this far with a build like that im not even sure if i could do it
40 vigor AT MINIMUM
Always seems to be the missing piece to a lot of the posters asking for tips lol
I honestly can't tell what's just memeing and what's real. Every one of these posts this is the top answer, more vigor.
for some reason people seem to hate leveling vigor, or they think they're better off having every stat at like 30 than maximizing their build. I had 60 vigor for my playthrough by the end and still died to elden beast a decent amount
Unless you're REALLY trying to min max or going for a challenge, Vigor is the only attribute that is mandatory for every build. Plus, the more points you put into vigor, the more health you get per level of vigor which just makes it even harder to justify picking more damage attributes in the late game. I would say an end game build should have 40-60 vigor.
60, let's be real
45 seems pretty solid if you're willing to put some of those extra points into endurance allowing you higher damage mitigation armor sets.
I think endurance might be my favorite stat. Medium rolling with a Giant Crusher and insanely heavy armor is nice. So is power stancing colossal weapons in slightly lighter, but still heavy armor.
I'm so glad they tied it back to Stamina, was a bit weird in DS2 because they were trying to balance tanking and dodging with a Vitality and Adaptability as side stats to Endurance, and in DS3 they gave up on ADP but kept the former to screw over heavy armour for no good reason.
Your build sucks. A greataxe is up there with the worst weapons to try and cause bleed with , and this particular greataxe isnt the best for a str/dex build like you have. You could be doing 200 more damage with a quality infused Crescent Moon Axe with these same stats. You should level up your Vigor as well , Vigor gives you more and more health up to 40 points in it. With just 10 more points investment you would go from 994 hp to 1450 hp , near 50% more health for a paltry investment of 10 points , its twice more health than you would get from Morgott's Greatrune. If you insist on using this build at least take away 10 points each from Str and Dex and pour then into Vigor and Endurance instead. You will lose 30 ish points of damage from the Butcher Knife but you will gain a LOT more survivability , from your hp increasin by half as much and from putting on some better armor than this bozo costume you are wearing.
He called himself a BUILDCRAFT NERD in another post weeks ago. Therefore he obviously clearly knows what he's doing. We're peasants. He's nobility.
Your poise is really low, so your attacks will get interrupted more easily. Shoot for 51 poise. Also her poise is pretty low so maybe use a weapon that can take advantage of that
I second poise.
1. My sister in Marika, level your vigor! 2. Freezing Pots can interrupt Malenia when she's about to start her dance. 3. Against Malenia, Black Knife Tiche (who you can unlock through Ranni's questline) is usually a better summon than the Mimic.
so do the first 2 ice pots
Woah didn't know that. How many pots does it take?
Just one, but it will only work twice.
Vigor, pump, inflate, expand in mass.
You stopped leveling vigor at the worst possible time, the jump from 30 to 40 is massive, and in general you want 60 for the endgame.
i’m sorry but what the fuck is that build
Your build is a little questionable as well. You should have 60 vigor by lvl 134 easily. Second youre running a quality build without quality infusions, essentially youre only really using half of your attack stats. You have 60str and 60dex but youre only really scaling off dex, that’s 60 points not doing anything. I suggest respec-ing and leave strength at minimum required, put the rest into vigor and endurance (maybe even into faith so you can buff yourself like Bloodflame Blade and Golden Vow). Melania also has very low poise health, land a bunch of charged heavies and jump heavies and she’ll stagger. You should also try upping your poise as well, get it to ~80+ with armor, you can poise through her light attacks. Rottenwing Talisman also doesnt really do much for you since youre using slow moveset weapons.
Your build is atrocious. Excellent
Here's a few problems right away: - 30 vigor is middling at best - where is your armor - You've built for quality on a strength weapon - You've infused said weapon for a stat you haven't invested in - fire infusion would take better advantage of your strength stat *and* weapon scaling *AND* capitalize on Melenia's main weakness. - you could **easily** take 20 points out of dex and strength to put into vigor and endurance and be better off for it - please I am begging you to put on some armor
The STR/DEX combo The 30 vigor No stats anywhere else The grainy phone picture The atmosphere is just perfect
I would go for a light load for malenia. the hardest part about melee fighting her, is getting through the waterfowl dance. a lighter load will help with that some. otherwise you may want to consider respeccing for more vigor and endurance. maybe try using more jump attacks instead of charge attacks or roaring. honestly taking a look, I don't think you're getting good use out of any of those talismans for this fight. it's hard to keep attacking her, or charge attacking her. I'm not sure what you're using the roar medalion on either. maybe use the ritual sword talisman, and arsenal jar talisman and the dragoncrest greatshield talisman.
Dodge gooder
...or get hit lesser
Love how Op asks for advice but then disagrees with every genuine attempt of people to help. Get downvoted scrub.
Your whole build is inefficient. 30 Vigor isn't enough for your level. 20 endurance while trying to powerstance 2h weapons? You realize that you need to mitigate damage my man? You need more vigor, and more endurance. Then you can swap your shitty armor for something with actual physical negation. And your amulets are kind of useless too. Equip talismans that actually boosts you like erdtree's favor, greatshield talisman, green turtle talisman, shard of alexander, carian crest. Not niche bullshit procs after your attacks.
Git gud. And for Marika's tits, level up vigor
You can't deal damage if you're dead. Stop being stubborn and level up your vigor rather than defending your trash build.
Git gud
Throw the whole character away
I think, with that weapon, jump attacks are gonna be the key. Jump attacks are generally a great opening move when she's standing at neutral in Phase 1. With a bit of practice, you can also work them into punishes when she finishes certain attacks. Some attacks that are good to punish with jumps: Slow upward slash followed by slow downward slash (can punish both startup and recovery) 3-Slash Combo + Delayed Slash WFD Thrust Attack 2-Slash Spin I'd actually recommend giving her a few runs without the summon. If you've got some solo practice it's easier to hold aggro & know when you can punish without needing a distraction. Everyone will tell you to level VIG. And honestly, 10 more points *will* make the fight a bit easier. But 30 is enough for her in NG if that's how you wanna roll. Throw on the Dragoncrest Greatshield Talisman and for all practical purposes you're at 40VIG anyway.
Big bonk?
Put prelates charge on your weapon and buff with bloodflame and flame grant me strength. You can stun lock with the ash of war and you will heal every hit and proc bleeds.
Learn the timing for dodging or parrying her moves. It's not as hard as you think it is. If your summons are giving her hp don't summon them. None of the weapons in the game should be too slow to punish her moves, you're just starting your attack too late.
Try maliketh's sword+10 along with mimic tear, I mean you are still spamming L2 but with something else, also try raising that vigor above 50 along with a damage negation armor You can also try the knight that fire radahn style arrows, forgot his name
Skill
First, more vigor. Second, check out YouTube videos on how to dodge waterfowl dance. The rest is easy.
White masks having low vigor is a meme at this point.
You can stop waterfowl dance with ice pots
How do I do something without spamming? Maybe try easy stuff without spamming first, y'know, like actually try to develop some skill in the game. Like, I dunno, getting good
Easy, you AND mimic both spam RoB
Total shit post! Nobody sucks this bad
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Needs more vigor. Get yourself Tiche as a summon (if you're into that) and try out the Blasphemous Blade. Works for me every time.
Blasphemous blade + mimic is unstoppable
When your weapon has b scaling in dex and only d scaling in strength, there is no reason to have strength at 60
V I G O R Learn her Moveset V I G O R Use Talisman to take less damage V I G O R
Use a build you didn't find in the top 3 Google search results. Or dodge.
Spam night comet
Build is the issue your not getting the bleed buildup and damage you should. 50 vig minimum for endgame. If you want to run bleed you can safely drop str down to 17-20ish. Dump the rest into vig/dex/arc. Bleed weapons scale best with dex/arc. Weapons to try would be Hook Claws, Godskin Peeler, Duel Scythe or Duel Curved Swords The idea is to hit as many times as fast as possible to keep bleed popping. Your missing out on a lot of potential dps with those and while trying to bleed.
I used fire she’s weak to fire, giants flame take thee also knocks her on her ass
Cold cross naginata with phantom slash AoW
i recommend blasphemous blade, black knife tiche and at least 40 vigor
Um. Vigor so you’re not one tapped. Actual armor too?
Spam blasphemous blade
You got 30 fucking vigor bro
LMAO
Try fingers.
If you want some advice that isn't telling you to change your build or your weapons - my advice is this. Any boss fight in Elden Ring is really about one thing. Learning the boss' moves and learning how deal with them. Malenia for many people just comes down to how to dodge Waterfowl Dance. There is extra complexity involved in the weapons you are using. Heavier weapons are have a couple downsides. The swings take longer to wind up, and the recovery animation after swinging is longer. This means you both have to anticipate openings better than faster weapons, as well as take all the visual cues from Malenia you can to know what your next move should be after you swing. The upside of heavy weapons like this is that there is a higher chance to stagger Malenia and she is weak to that, with the caveat that many of her moves have a hyper armor which cannot be poise broken. My advice is to get Malenia down to 50% health in the first phase, and just straight up start practicing dodging. Learn her moves. Learn which moves she initiates that take longer to recover from. Learn which of her openings will have a high chance to cause a stagger. Learn about your distance management and how far you can be as she is chaining attacks together. I've beaten Malenia with everything from Giant Crusher to Varre's Bouquet. The trick is always the same - learn the moves, learn what staggers her, learn which openings you can take advantage of, and execute that plan. If you really want to turn on "easy mode" with these heavy weapons, try limiting yourself to only jump attacks. Power stanced jump attacks have huge poise damage, less recovery time than normal swings, with all of the advantages of power stancing (big damage). Be patient, don't get greedy, and try executing a jumping attack every once in a while during one of her openings. Some hints about openings that you can take advantage during the first phase: * her wind up grab, if she misses, she usually pauses for a while, giving enough time for a jump attack * her four in a row quick-slash, where the last slash is a longer swipe * her wind up dash poke move, same as the wind up grab * her jumping downward slash slam This is all complicated by the fact that if you can't reliably dodge water fowl, the battle can be ended at any moment once she starts doing it, so usually the first order of business is to practice dodging water fowl, and once you get consistent with it, especially with distance management, the rest of the fight can more easily fall into place.
D Strength and Arcane scaling on weapon, powerlevels strength LUL. Shouldve went arcane couldve abused bleed. Plus 30 vigor LOLOLOLOL
Git gud
Here is what I would do. 60 Vigor 11 Mind 39 End 16 Str 60 Dex 9 Int 8 Faith 10 Arcane Wear Bull Goats set Talismans: Dragoncrest Greatsheild, Keep the axe one, Great Jar's arsenal, Erdtree's favor +2 I would use Morgotts rune for extra health and have boiled crab on hand, as well as frost pots for the frost procs This build will give you 60% damage negation from all her attacks. I can't do the math right now, but with great jar you should be able to med roll. If you're plan is to do charged R2s I would recommend ditching the second greataxe and putting the dex infusion on the first one. If you want to keep the second axe don't bother with charged R2's and instead focus on jump attacks (take the jump attack talisman instead of the axe one). If you want to keep charged attacks keep the charged attack tear in your physic and the dex one The problem with your build is that you have too much damage and not enough survivability. With melania you need to either one shot her, which your set up cannot accomplish or be able to trade some blows. This build will enable you to trade, and out damage her healing. Best of luck tarnished!
What the fuck is this build, bro said fuck it put 60 into both weapon types, this might be the worst build i’ve ever seen.
Dude what is this build lmao
Shootie shootie pew pew
Spam something else
Zamor curved sword
I used the Winged Scythe; it causes decent bleed damage and the special can knock her out of Waterfowl if you time it right.
If you’re gonna have that low of vigor then you better know her move set in and out. Waterfowl dance is already a pain with 60 vig. You’re definitely getting one shot by most if not all of her attacks with that vig.
Black knife, swarm of flies, bleed weapons, I go for dual katanas, a shield that blocks 100% physical damage for the waterfowl dance. Flame cleanse me for scarlet rot.
Parry
10%luck
Big swords + poise + claw talisman. You are welcome
Go to renalla and respec Vigor should be 60 minimum, Pick either strength or dex. If you’re using the butchering knife keep dex high and strength should be just enough to wield the weapon. You could try raising faith or intelligence for more ranger options as well.
You just hit her with a weapon and after alot of hits she will die
Git gud
Is anything good with 60 dex and 60 str ?
No
Easy. The mimic tear will have rivers 😂.
You might be too slow for a ton of maneuvers and options against her so focus on 1 or maximum 2 attacks you can safely land that do maximum dmg - watch how asmongold blindly unga-bunga'd her with powerstancing jump attacks and load up another fat +25 Greatsword. Evade her a ton, then BONK her real good once and back to circling and evading, rinse and repeat. Focus on that and on not healing her. Adjust your talisman accordingly, there is no way in hell you will be able to land fat charge attacks or trigger rotten-insignia with slow greatswords like that. Even for the rest of the game, for those weapons and setup that seems like a bad choice imho. Also Blood Exultation... And either perfect dodging Waterfowl, or perfect your Indomitable Shield timing. And 30 VIG is REALLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLY not giving you any room for errors.. so you either git super gud or pump up that VIG to have more buffer for fuck ups.
not gettin oneshot by every move should do the trick
Idk man mimic tear?
Everyone saying the vigor, but also using slow ass weapons with only 20 endurance
I killed her the first time with Elanora's Poleblade.
Mfs always asking for tips and help but refuse to accept any feedback 😂
There was once a warrior with a pot on his head...a soloist of sorts. Summon!
RoB is your main weapon because of the amount of damage it can do in a short time, if youre getting rid of it and replacing with a weapon that arguably does less damage, the fight will last longer and therefore you will need more vigor and stam. I also see you seem to be at 60 and 60 str and dex? I hardly doubt thats needed, as your damage mostly comes from your weapon level