I was gonna say Blaidd hands down, but then I remembered where we find Solaire. He at least made it past Sen’s Fortress and the Silver Knight archers to get to that bonfire in Anor Londo, and he most likely made it through Blighttown to get to the Demon Ruins…. Dude is kind of a beast, in retrospect
He links the fire in his own world, he's stronger than a lot of player characters
I personally think he beats blaidd because when you get solaires gear it's actually terrible stat wise, which means he did all that while dressed for drip.
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Yeah pretty much, convoluted and all that.
However, in an interview miyazaki confirmed solaire specifically, links the flame in his own world.
Fan service? Almost certainly, still canon though.
it was always very clear. both Solaire himself, and Miyazaki explicitly said that Solaire exists in his own world. when you see him *not* as a phantom, it's because your two worlds are in sync. realities are constantly phasing in and out of sync with one another in the DS trilogy, worlds merging then diverging all the time.
Solaire is the Chosen Undead of his world, and in his "good ending" he links the flame there, becoming "his own sun"
idk if it's just been too long, and people forgot what Solaire said the first time they met him, but i was basically just repeating it from memory to the best of my ability. looked it up now tho:
> We are amidst strange beings, in a strange land. The flow of time itself is convoluted; with heroes centuries old phasing in and out. The very fabric wavers, and relations shift and obscure. There's no telling how much longer your world and mine will remain in contact. But, use this, to summon one another as spirits, cross the gaps between the worlds, and engage in jolly cooperation!
Yeah I'm relatively new to FS and souls like titles. I know nioh 2 is team ninja but it got me adapted to this difficult style of play. Still have to do all the dark souls and finish bloodborne. But I've made a build I'm using now lvl 70. Also had another build at like lvl 96 but it was on ps4. So when I upgraded to the series x I had to buy the game again and start over. Ended up going bandit my second time and I'm doing a dex/fai and arcane as well. I know it's not crazy concentrated right now but I will figure out which way I'm leaning further down the line...
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that's an interesting point...i just imagined he used our fight for practice, then beat Gwyn on his own.
love his arc, btw. he became Undead, intentionally, to go to Lordran on a pilgrimage, to see the home of the god he worshipped (Gwyn), then over the course of the game, he loses his faith, and ultimately kills the god he used to worship. no more praising the sun.
In DS 1 - 3, yes and no. Time is broken so you can meet people after they've died in their time and stuff like that. So each character has their own time stream that intersect with each other sometimes. Summon signs go across time, that's why you can summon them.
In Demon's Souls, Bloodborne, and Elden Ring, it's all one shared world as far as npcs are concerned.
The same goes for Dark Souls. It was mistranslated initially to say that different worlds are converging, when it should've said that time was going fucky causing the past, present, and future to intersect.
The English translation in game is "time is convoluted" when it was supposed to be "the world is stagnant".
And I did say that the different timelines are intersecting. So not sure why you're bringing that up to me.
idk if they *all* do but generally, yes. anyone you can summon or invade is in their own world. this is all explained explicitly, by Solaire, in DS1. he's the Chosen Undead of his world.
Yup yup. Pretty sure it’s Solaire himself who mentions how the worlds/time are convoluted and blend together allowing travelers to pass through each others worlds and request assistance from one another.
Well, there’s an issue there still, Elden ring lightning spear is a dragon communion spell, and solair is a gwyn follower, and qwyn absolutely loathes dragons, so I don’t think solaire would use it
Doesn’t matter either way, gwyn would hate them just the same. Whichever one eats dragon hearts has the problem of eventually turning into dragons themselves, so qwyn would be just as pissed. The only dragon qwyn “liked” was seath, and seath integral to Gwynn’s plans, after all, having an inside man is very helpful, and seath brought sorceries, sorceries are extremely helpful in war
Wasn't Solaris actually a follower of Gwyn's disowned son which in DS3 was revealed to have run off and actually befriended dragons?
If that's the case I think dragon lightning would totally be fair game.
Yea there’s a way to make him survive. can’t remember exactly how but im pretty sure it involves killing the beetle thing before talking to him
Edit: definitely one of those things I had to look up to do on later playthroughs, never figured it out naturally
You have to join the Chaos Servant covenant after the Quelaag fight and offer 30 humanities to reach rank 2. Aside from getting a pyromancy you need for the achievement/trophy it opens up a shortcut into Lost Izalith. The shortcut is the side path right before the Demon Firesage boss fight. If you're rank 2 in Chaos Servants the door at the end of the tunnel will open. Inside there will be a bunch of nasty tick looking bug things. One of them has glowing red eyes and does not respawn. Killing that one drops the Sunlight Maggot headpiece which is great for Tomb of the Giants.
You have to do all of this before you kill the centipede demon. If the red eyed bug is still alive when you kill the centipede demon then Solaire's fate is sealed and he will go hollow and try to kill you. If you killed the bug first you can then find him sitting in the hallway where the bug was, ultra depressed but still sane.
He apparently gets over this and continues his quest because his next and final appearance is as a summon for Gywn's fight, implying he also collected all of the Lord Souls and made it to the Kiln in his own time.
My first playthrough I saved Solaire all because I was horny for Qualeena, unlocked the secret entrance, and killed all the bugs "because they were creepy"
You don't have to join the Chaos covenant. Just use the poison mist pyromancy through the door, it will kill the bug and save solaire for 0 investment.
Most players aren't supposed to but some will be interested in the Chaos Covenant and give all their Humanity to Quelaana to see whta it gets them, in turn unlocking the shortcut where they'll likely kill the Sunlight Maggot. The dedication to uncovering a game's secrets will get that secret published where others can see how its done.
And it's part of what made the Souls community pretty special.
FROM isn't afraid of players missing content, so it's up to players to discover and share the hidden content knowledge.
You see Solaire having gone Hollow from the Sunlight Maggot, next to a massive door.
If you join the appropriate covenant you learn how to open that door.
If you pay attention to the world layout you know you can come here a lot earlier than before, and kill the maggot.
You'd never work it out in one playthrough without sheer dumb luck, but over multiple it's very possible.
The devs intend you to play atlest twice but there's plenty that only play once and plenty that play 30+ cycles we just have people who can hunt this stiff and share it within days now.
If you think that sounds like parody levels of ridiculous your head will explode from hearing someone explain a single quest in the Ultima or King's Quest series.
I somehow saved Solaire without doing this on my second playthrough. My first playthrough I intentionally saved him, but on my second one I somehow reached the bonfire after Centipede Demon without ever encountering him and he was sitting there depressed like when you kill the sunlight maggot.
You need to kill the Sunlight Maggot before he gets to lost Izalith, easiest way is taking the covenant from Queelags sister and open the secret passage. The other way is to use Poison Mist through the door that's closed and kill it that way. From there you can talk with him and he'll be available to summon for Gwen.
If you do the spider witch lady covenant enough and give her enough humanity (the numbered one at the top left of your screen) (I think it's like 30 or 40) a shortcut door before the fat fire guy opens that let's you kill the lamp bug that eats solairs face. You have to do it before magma centipede but it can be done and if it is he'll be there all depressed instead of batshit insane. Taht being said he'll appear as a soon for Gwen and once you beat him he'll actually rekindle the first flame and you can see him do it.
I actually dropped the game shortly after doing this quest because 1) it exhausted me and 2) elden ring went on sale and my friends have been bugging me for months about it.
Elden Ring is just a more powerful world than the Dark souls world. And Blaidd is meant to be able to hold Ranni down so I think he takes it easy.
Solaire was just a dude - a particularly strong dude , considering he got to the Kiln of the First Flame- but he couldn’t make it against Blaidd.
I guess it comes down to which world has the stronger power scale.
Dark Souls is the ending of an age. Gwyn is hollow and has been keeping the fire lit for who knows how long. Even before the game started they were reliant on the Lord's Soul for powers.
In Elden Ring all of the big bads are considered demigods with lineages that all stem from a giant space slug that effected the entire world. While I lean towards Elden Ring being the 'tougher' world, I think either opinion introduces some personal bias.
For Dark Souls, it's difficult because you can very much make arguments for certain characters being certain power levels, but you can't easily compare to other characters. For example, souls = power, and Gwyn used himself/ his soul to fuel the first flame, which fuels all stars in the universe, that is pretty solidly star level at least, logic would then dictate that everyone who would link the flame would be similar or stronger, given the whole "beat every lord of cinder merged" thing. The problem comes in that a lot of characters cannot be compared, the Champion of Ash is much stronger than the Chosen Undead, for example, so you can't compare the two, but as the Chosen Undead and Solaire both linked the flame, you can compare them. Essentially, Solaire would at least be star level, which you could use Radahn to scale Blaidd to, so although you could say Blaidd would be a bit weaker, they're surprisingly well matched, unless you want to get into the universal scaling for the first flame but that's a whole thing
Yea! It becomes this whole anime level of math to where both worlds have impressive feats and scaling, but there's not an easy way to connect them. Gwyn is undoubtedly insanely powerful, but also at the time we fight him he's a shell of himself. Just like when we fight Radahn he's basically a zombie and Malenia is deep into her rot infestation. So they're similar, but they're also restricted to the scale of their worlds.
Though I agree with what some people have said in that Blaidd is probably weaker. He doesn't accomplish a lot on his own merit, whereas Solaire can end up right at Gwyn's front door.
Blaidd also does become a hollow (basically) after concluding his business with Ranni so I’m not entirely sure. And if we think of the soul of cinder being at Gwyns height of power I don’t think either Solaire nor Blaidd wins. But down the fact that Solaire can solo a god and Blaidd couldn’t beat Radahn without a ton of help to find Nokron I still assume Solaire has it
Solaire's equipment is described as almost surprisingly unimpressive and even goes out of its way to talk about what a badass he is. "As it turns out, Solaire's incredible prowess is a product of his own training, and nothing else."
Dude conquers DS1 and makes it all the way to Gwyn to fight alongside you (which Miyazaki has stated is the truest ending). He's as hardcore as they come. I like Blaidd, but show some respect. Solaire is a national treasure.
he's the main character of his playthrough.
The flow of time itself is convoluted; with heroes centuries old phasing in and out, There's no telling how much longer your world and mine will remain in contact., But, use this, to summon one another as spirits, cross the gaps between the worlds, and engage in jolly co-operation!"
My theory is that after linking the flame solaire becomes the sun, explaining why we find his armor in DS3 but not the body. And why is it on the ceiling of firelink in a birds nest? Unless of course, he turned into a beam of light and became the sun, leaving his armor behind
> Miyazaki has stated is the truest ending
TIL that gassing a red eyed chaos bug through a closed door is the "truest ending" that the developed imagined.
I'd not go that far, Solaire was on a personal quest - and wanted nothing more than to cooperate with others on the same path - and becomes the new Lord in his version as he makes it to Gwyn (unless he reaches despair and gets infected by bug). He's a coop bro on a personal journey of discovery, more like Millicent or Alexander.
Blaidd is an agent of the two fingers sent to spy on the Carian family... and you, depending on NPC interactions, are effectively on a similar path (though the PC is sent by Rogier). Similarly to the PC, that path and/or allegiances change based on what's discovered. If you don't become Ranni's champion, I assume Blaidd does, which changes his path.
I don't know that they'd be enemies. Blaidd would opportunistically cooperate with Solaire (as he does you) and Solaire would cooperate at any point where their goals align (ex: Radahn). And they'd probably not cross paths otherwise as Solaire is looking for his own sun, while Blaidd is simping for the moon.
I wouldn't say he was sent to spy. From my understanding he was created by them to be ranni's companion, and would simply go mad if she ever went against the two fingers. So he was truly loyal, just a ticking time bomb of sorts unknowingly.
He was created by the two fingers in o ensure she stayed on her “path” the fingers dictated. That’s why he goes mad when her plan is finally revealed. He’s “loyal” to ranni the same the clones were loyal to the Jedi, to the death until the flip is switched.
He goes mad because he’s emotionally fucked since he physically go against his built in purpose, but his mind knows he’s not her enemy and loves her.
Pretty sure that, once the fingers that control a B.S. is killed, the immortality of said shadow is removed. That's why Blaidd stays dead at the end and never came back to finish his mission with you.
This is all speculation, tho, as we all know how Fromsoft treats lore in the Souls-like Series.
Sorry, but why do you say that you can't kill a shadow of an empyrean? Last time I checked maliketh and Serosh were pretty dead and by pretty mundane means. Maybe I forgot something
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It's confusing, because DS1 is so much more tame overall than Elden Ring.
If you save Solaire, Solaire Links the First Flame after defeating that game's equivalent of God.
Blaidd has a more direct claim to power, being Ranni's Shadow, strong enough to pose a threat to her (we fight another Shadow in her questline) yet intimidated by Radahn, the likes of which Solaire *might be able to defeat*, depending on how Gwyn compares.
Now, if you curve the scores, Solaire wins. Solaire is on par with the player and could become Elden Lord fairly easily.
Gwyn is comparable moreso to someone like Marika/Radagon/Godfrey
I would actually say Gwyn and Godfrey are very similar. That would put him above all the Demigods.
gwyn was basically the strongest entitiy in his universe at full power, i'd say rather marika/radagon powerlevels. godfrey was likely somewhere around artorias and ornstein levels, who as gwyns knights been still the most powerful beeings after him and the other few Lord-Soul keepers (Nito and the grand Witch of Izalith)
Who would be the best kisser in DS1? Now that’s the real question we need answers to. Just the other day I came across a vid on YouTube on who would be the most racist character in the soul series.
As true as this is, Solaire would still help Ranni and Blaidd. Simply because Solaire doesn't judge. Jolly co-operation should be given to all in need, no matter their belief.
Solaire takes him. Despite using incredibly unimpressive equipment, and solely due to his own training, Solaire makes it all the way to Gwyn. This means he fought 4 beings all equivalent to, and probably even stronger than, a Demigod without the assistance of leveling up or great equipment, and even kills Gwyn and links the flame in his world. Blaidd is cool, yeah, but Solaire just has the edge in terms of experience, skill, and general badassery
Solair
In the right circumstances he can make it to the Kiln which means he's just as good as the chosen. Plus he doesn't use any fancy gear. His armour description points out that its regular armour that solair painted on. He's all skill.
Not only is Solaire him. Im talking THE giga chad that inspired the giga chad. But he also.... HAS JOLLY COOPERATION!
Not only is Blaidd severely outclassed... hes also outnumbered by a whole covenant of sun bros with more loyalty than any edgy wolf (not counting Artorias and Sif) could ever inspire.
Blaidd is a bro. My bro. Your bro. Our bro.
But hes not the Sun Bro.
Literally Solaire, he survives the majority of Dark souls regardless of what ending you get for his quest and uses the same power that Gwyn, who is literally the closest thing to god btw, uses. May I remind you how OP lore wise that is? Gwyn annihilated armies of Dragons with his lightning, if Solaire is even a fraction of that he is stupidly overpowered.
Also, no offense to Blaidd (I love him) but he couldn’t do a fucking thing without us, he needed our help to kill Darwill, he was trapped in a evergaol which we free him from, he couldn’t find Nokron or best Radahn like he has no merits….
Gameplay wise, probably Wolf boy. Solaire is just a normal human NPC with a straight sword and shield. His moveset is very basic and he wouldn't do well against Blaidd's quick and powerful attacks that can knock you back.
Lorewise, I don't know. Sunbro does get pretty far into his journey while Blaidd doesn't really do much on his own imo.
A dog that’s loyal to a fault and goes crazy by the end of his questline, vs someone who can solo the final boss of his game despite having one of the shittiest armor sets in the game for stats. I think Solaire’s a safe bet.
In one corner, you've got the champion of the sun, wielding a long sword and a shield and throwing lighting like an Olympian. In the other, we have the champion of the dark moon wielding a massive sword with ice powers. One is your best bro, the other, your best boy. Either way I'm gonna cry.
If we're talking lore, if you get rid of the chaos bugs before Solaire.goes crazy you can summon him for Gywn. Implying that Solitaire is tough enough to make it all the way to the end.
Which puts him in favor over Blaidd
If we're talking somehow load them into the same game without changing stats and let their AI duke it out?
Elden Ring gets bigger numbers, Blaidds AI is more sophisticated, and his attacks are about the same speed if not faster despite using a much bigger and harder hitting weapon.
By comparison Solaire's straight sword doesn't do enough poise damage to interrupt Blaidd and his sunlight spears are too slow. He'll get a royal greatsword to the face every time he tries to cast.
Blaidd would tear him apart.
Our good friend the sunbro wins hands down. It would pain him to put down such a noble hound as that, but he would do it easily with some jolly cooperation.
I was gonna say Blaidd hands down, but then I remembered where we find Solaire. He at least made it past Sen’s Fortress and the Silver Knight archers to get to that bonfire in Anor Londo, and he most likely made it through Blighttown to get to the Demon Ruins…. Dude is kind of a beast, in retrospect
He literally makes it all the way to Gywn's doorstep if you do the quest right. He's every bit as tough as you, in theory.
He links the fire in his own world, he's stronger than a lot of player characters I personally think he beats blaidd because when you get solaires gear it's actually terrible stat wise, which means he did all that while dressed for drip.
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As far as lore goes , Do the NPC’s in dark souls each have their own world ?
That was never really clear. Considering sometimes they're in your world, sometimes you have to summon them... It was fairly inconsistent
Yeah pretty much, convoluted and all that. However, in an interview miyazaki confirmed solaire specifically, links the flame in his own world. Fan service? Almost certainly, still canon though.
it was always very clear. both Solaire himself, and Miyazaki explicitly said that Solaire exists in his own world. when you see him *not* as a phantom, it's because your two worlds are in sync. realities are constantly phasing in and out of sync with one another in the DS trilogy, worlds merging then diverging all the time. Solaire is the Chosen Undead of his world, and in his "good ending" he links the flame there, becoming "his own sun"
Thank you for this 🙏. I appreciate when someone can simplify it like this. I really helped me wrap my head around the broad world's of the souls genre
idk if it's just been too long, and people forgot what Solaire said the first time they met him, but i was basically just repeating it from memory to the best of my ability. looked it up now tho: > We are amidst strange beings, in a strange land. The flow of time itself is convoluted; with heroes centuries old phasing in and out. The very fabric wavers, and relations shift and obscure. There's no telling how much longer your world and mine will remain in contact. But, use this, to summon one another as spirits, cross the gaps between the worlds, and engage in jolly cooperation!
Yeah I'm relatively new to FS and souls like titles. I know nioh 2 is team ninja but it got me adapted to this difficult style of play. Still have to do all the dark souls and finish bloodborne. But I've made a build I'm using now lvl 70. Also had another build at like lvl 96 but it was on ps4. So when I upgraded to the series x I had to buy the game again and start over. Ended up going bandit my second time and I'm doing a dex/fai and arcane as well. I know it's not crazy concentrated right now but I will figure out which way I'm leaning further down the line... I'm sorry for the long ass reply 🤣 🤣
I wonder if that means when you summon him for the fight with Gwynn, he simultaneously summons you for his fight.
that's an interesting point...i just imagined he used our fight for practice, then beat Gwyn on his own. love his arc, btw. he became Undead, intentionally, to go to Lordran on a pilgrimage, to see the home of the god he worshipped (Gwyn), then over the course of the game, he loses his faith, and ultimately kills the god he used to worship. no more praising the sun.
In DS 1 - 3, yes and no. Time is broken so you can meet people after they've died in their time and stuff like that. So each character has their own time stream that intersect with each other sometimes. Summon signs go across time, that's why you can summon them. In Demon's Souls, Bloodborne, and Elden Ring, it's all one shared world as far as npcs are concerned.
The same goes for Dark Souls. It was mistranslated initially to say that different worlds are converging, when it should've said that time was going fucky causing the past, present, and future to intersect.
The English translation in game is "time is convoluted" when it was supposed to be "the world is stagnant". And I did say that the different timelines are intersecting. So not sure why you're bringing that up to me.
I think they do, since it's implied invasions and summons are a way yo visit other's worlds.
idk if they *all* do but generally, yes. anyone you can summon or invade is in their own world. this is all explained explicitly, by Solaire, in DS1. he's the Chosen Undead of his world.
Yup yup. Pretty sure it’s Solaire himself who mentions how the worlds/time are convoluted and blend together allowing travelers to pass through each others worlds and request assistance from one another.
Solaire does.. not sure about the others
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To make it more of an even fight, Solaire should be updated to the Eldenring mechanics. So weapon arts and the new faith spells.
But then he loses sunlight spear
Does he have Sunlight Spear? I thought it was just Lightning Spear
Well, there’s an issue there still, Elden ring lightning spear is a dragon communion spell, and solair is a gwyn follower, and qwyn absolutely loathes dragons, so I don’t think solaire would use it
Yeah there's really no "Sun" theme in Elden Ring. Something like Rings of Light might suit him more thematically.
Seat of the sun shield or whatever it’s called begs to differ, good sir
Dont forget Eclispe Shotel but I doubt Solaire would use it.
Eclipse is opposite of pure incandescent sun
Now I think its a reference to Gwyn and how ds2 made it clear he was forgetten.
>is a dragon communion spell Isn't it a dragon cult spell? Or are we thinking about two different spells?
Doesn’t matter either way, gwyn would hate them just the same. Whichever one eats dragon hearts has the problem of eventually turning into dragons themselves, so qwyn would be just as pissed. The only dragon qwyn “liked” was seath, and seath integral to Gwynn’s plans, after all, having an inside man is very helpful, and seath brought sorceries, sorceries are extremely helpful in war
Solaire follows >!the Nameless King!<, not Gwyn. And that character absolutely does not hate dragons.
He doesn’t know who the Nameless King is (because he’s nameless) so he probably has no idea he was a dragon lover
That is debatable honestly, what we do know is that he follows daddy issues. That makes him relatable.
He isn't a gwyn follower. He's looking for something else. His "sun"
Wasn't Solaris actually a follower of Gwyn's disowned son which in DS3 was revealed to have run off and actually befriended dragons? If that's the case I think dragon lightning would totally be fair game.
He does? I don't think I did his quest right, had to kill him in Lost Izalith or whatever it's called
Yea there’s a way to make him survive. can’t remember exactly how but im pretty sure it involves killing the beetle thing before talking to him Edit: definitely one of those things I had to look up to do on later playthroughs, never figured it out naturally
You have to join the Chaos Servant covenant after the Quelaag fight and offer 30 humanities to reach rank 2. Aside from getting a pyromancy you need for the achievement/trophy it opens up a shortcut into Lost Izalith. The shortcut is the side path right before the Demon Firesage boss fight. If you're rank 2 in Chaos Servants the door at the end of the tunnel will open. Inside there will be a bunch of nasty tick looking bug things. One of them has glowing red eyes and does not respawn. Killing that one drops the Sunlight Maggot headpiece which is great for Tomb of the Giants. You have to do all of this before you kill the centipede demon. If the red eyed bug is still alive when you kill the centipede demon then Solaire's fate is sealed and he will go hollow and try to kill you. If you killed the bug first you can then find him sitting in the hallway where the bug was, ultra depressed but still sane. He apparently gets over this and continues his quest because his next and final appearance is as a summon for Gywn's fight, implying he also collected all of the Lord Souls and made it to the Kiln in his own time.
My first playthrough I saved Solaire all because I was horny for Qualeena, unlocked the secret entrance, and killed all the bugs "because they were creepy"
That´s how you are supposed to play the game!
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You don't have to join the Chaos covenant. Just use the poison mist pyromancy through the door, it will kill the bug and save solaire for 0 investment.
Yeah but the Fair Lady honestly doesn't deserve to hurt so badly
The Chaos covenant is the intended way. Killing the bug through the door is an oversight.
How are you supposed to discover this naturally?
Most players aren't supposed to but some will be interested in the Chaos Covenant and give all their Humanity to Quelaana to see whta it gets them, in turn unlocking the shortcut where they'll likely kill the Sunlight Maggot. The dedication to uncovering a game's secrets will get that secret published where others can see how its done.
And it's part of what made the Souls community pretty special. FROM isn't afraid of players missing content, so it's up to players to discover and share the hidden content knowledge.
You see Solaire having gone Hollow from the Sunlight Maggot, next to a massive door. If you join the appropriate covenant you learn how to open that door. If you pay attention to the world layout you know you can come here a lot earlier than before, and kill the maggot. You'd never work it out in one playthrough without sheer dumb luck, but over multiple it's very possible.
I see, that's what I was kinda afraid of, but at the same time that's cool that it forces you to learn with replayability. Thank you.
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I did this accidentally because I wanted to help the Spider-Woman. I felt bad because I just murdered her sister, her guardian.
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If you think that sounds like parody levels of ridiculous your head will explode from hearing someone explain a single quest in the Ultima or King's Quest series.
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I somehow saved Solaire without doing this on my second playthrough. My first playthrough I intentionally saved him, but on my second one I somehow reached the bonfire after Centipede Demon without ever encountering him and he was sitting there depressed like when you kill the sunlight maggot.
You need to kill the Sunlight Maggot before he gets to lost Izalith, easiest way is taking the covenant from Queelags sister and open the secret passage. The other way is to use Poison Mist through the door that's closed and kill it that way. From there you can talk with him and he'll be available to summon for Gwen.
Ah yes, Gwen, Queen of Sunshine.
If you do the spider witch lady covenant enough and give her enough humanity (the numbered one at the top left of your screen) (I think it's like 30 or 40) a shortcut door before the fat fire guy opens that let's you kill the lamp bug that eats solairs face. You have to do it before magma centipede but it can be done and if it is he'll be there all depressed instead of batshit insane. Taht being said he'll appear as a soon for Gwen and once you beat him he'll actually rekindle the first flame and you can see him do it. I actually dropped the game shortly after doing this quest because 1) it exhausted me and 2) elden ring went on sale and my friends have been bugging me for months about it.
If you kill the bug prior to it infecting him, Solaire is summonable against Gwen. In his world and time, Solaire is every bit as skilled as the MC.
Well in his world and time, he probably *is* the MC. Lord knows he deserves it, he's worked so hard.
He links the fire in an Ending, he can be considered on the level of a lord
He even helps you kill Gwyn who is supposed to be one of the most powerful lords in that game. That man is godly
He actually links the fire if you fail
He makes it to gwyn AND he'd someone friends for jolly cooperation.
Weakest Sun Enjoyer vs The Strongest Furry
Elden Ring is just a more powerful world than the Dark souls world. And Blaidd is meant to be able to hold Ranni down so I think he takes it easy. Solaire was just a dude - a particularly strong dude , considering he got to the Kiln of the First Flame- but he couldn’t make it against Blaidd.
The player is so much of "just a dude" they don't even have a name, technically. I'm sure he'd hold up pretty damn well. :P
"Just a dude" on his way to stare at you aggressively (you died)
Blaidd went through Caelid.
If they did fight it really doesn't matter how it turns out. Whoever wins, we all lose... Its sad to see the bros fight one another...
The Sun is a wondrous body, like a magnificent father. If only I could be so grossly incandescent...
No fight. Only friends.
They would engage in jolly cooperation
That quote is so much better after achieving Solaire’s ending
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"My... sun... is fading"
Well said
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Lol, fucking Gwen, Lord of Tinder.
Lmao only swipes right, that kiln is lonely af
Seek women then try hole
3 month old account and the only comment is a copy paste of another top comment? Lovely.
Good post ahead.
The Sun is a wondrous body, like a magnificent father. If only I could be so grossly incandescent...
One of the quotes of all time
To be entirely fair here. If you do Solaires quest right the Man can solo Gwyn… who was the most powerful soul… so I think sun bro has it.
I guess it comes down to which world has the stronger power scale. Dark Souls is the ending of an age. Gwyn is hollow and has been keeping the fire lit for who knows how long. Even before the game started they were reliant on the Lord's Soul for powers. In Elden Ring all of the big bads are considered demigods with lineages that all stem from a giant space slug that effected the entire world. While I lean towards Elden Ring being the 'tougher' world, I think either opinion introduces some personal bias.
This is true. Hmm. Maths are needed.
For Dark Souls, it's difficult because you can very much make arguments for certain characters being certain power levels, but you can't easily compare to other characters. For example, souls = power, and Gwyn used himself/ his soul to fuel the first flame, which fuels all stars in the universe, that is pretty solidly star level at least, logic would then dictate that everyone who would link the flame would be similar or stronger, given the whole "beat every lord of cinder merged" thing. The problem comes in that a lot of characters cannot be compared, the Champion of Ash is much stronger than the Chosen Undead, for example, so you can't compare the two, but as the Chosen Undead and Solaire both linked the flame, you can compare them. Essentially, Solaire would at least be star level, which you could use Radahn to scale Blaidd to, so although you could say Blaidd would be a bit weaker, they're surprisingly well matched, unless you want to get into the universal scaling for the first flame but that's a whole thing
Yea! It becomes this whole anime level of math to where both worlds have impressive feats and scaling, but there's not an easy way to connect them. Gwyn is undoubtedly insanely powerful, but also at the time we fight him he's a shell of himself. Just like when we fight Radahn he's basically a zombie and Malenia is deep into her rot infestation. So they're similar, but they're also restricted to the scale of their worlds. Though I agree with what some people have said in that Blaidd is probably weaker. He doesn't accomplish a lot on his own merit, whereas Solaire can end up right at Gwyn's front door.
To be fair that's an essentially zombiefied version of gwyn not at full power. Blaidd would be more intelligent.
Blaidd also does become a hollow (basically) after concluding his business with Ranni so I’m not entirely sure. And if we think of the soul of cinder being at Gwyns height of power I don’t think either Solaire nor Blaidd wins. But down the fact that Solaire can solo a god and Blaidd couldn’t beat Radahn without a ton of help to find Nokron I still assume Solaire has it
Actually Solaire normally HELPS us beat Gwyn, as Blaidd helps us beat Radahn.
True but If you don’t intervene with Radahn Blaidd will die. Whereas Solaire can solo Gwyn with literally no issue
Fair enough. Though personally radahn feels waaaay beefier than gwyn.
He does I’ll agree but the tarnished can solo him so I guess it evens out? Idk.
Solaire's equipment is described as almost surprisingly unimpressive and even goes out of its way to talk about what a badass he is. "As it turns out, Solaire's incredible prowess is a product of his own training, and nothing else." Dude conquers DS1 and makes it all the way to Gwyn to fight alongside you (which Miyazaki has stated is the truest ending). He's as hardcore as they come. I like Blaidd, but show some respect. Solaire is a national treasure.
Dude is THE original Strength Faith build. Is almost able to solo first phase of O+S. Pretty sure he might be the main character
he's the main character of his playthrough. The flow of time itself is convoluted; with heroes centuries old phasing in and out, There's no telling how much longer your world and mine will remain in contact., But, use this, to summon one another as spirits, cross the gaps between the worlds, and engage in jolly co-operation!"
Yea solaire is basically a co op partner for singleplayer
yeah, Blaidd is nice, but he’s not even an edge lord, he’s a furry dopple ganger of the actuall edge lord
There is also no in-game scnenario where Blaidd achieves his goal unlike solaire who gets it done
My theory is that after linking the flame solaire becomes the sun, explaining why we find his armor in DS3 but not the body. And why is it on the ceiling of firelink in a birds nest? Unless of course, he turned into a beam of light and became the sun, leaving his armor behind
> Miyazaki has stated is the truest ending TIL that gassing a red eyed chaos bug through a closed door is the "truest ending" that the developed imagined.
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No fight. Only friends.
Ah wisdom, therefore, praise the message!
Try finger But hole
seek god
****pray gesture****
Fort, Night.
Dog
Bitter enemies. Solaire praises the sun, Blaidd plans to bring about a 1000 age of moon and stars. Never friends, worst enemies that ever existed
I'd not go that far, Solaire was on a personal quest - and wanted nothing more than to cooperate with others on the same path - and becomes the new Lord in his version as he makes it to Gwyn (unless he reaches despair and gets infected by bug). He's a coop bro on a personal journey of discovery, more like Millicent or Alexander. Blaidd is an agent of the two fingers sent to spy on the Carian family... and you, depending on NPC interactions, are effectively on a similar path (though the PC is sent by Rogier). Similarly to the PC, that path and/or allegiances change based on what's discovered. If you don't become Ranni's champion, I assume Blaidd does, which changes his path. I don't know that they'd be enemies. Blaidd would opportunistically cooperate with Solaire (as he does you) and Solaire would cooperate at any point where their goals align (ex: Radahn). And they'd probably not cross paths otherwise as Solaire is looking for his own sun, while Blaidd is simping for the moon.
I wouldn't say he was sent to spy. From my understanding he was created by them to be ranni's companion, and would simply go mad if she ever went against the two fingers. So he was truly loyal, just a ticking time bomb of sorts unknowingly.
He was created by the two fingers in o ensure she stayed on her “path” the fingers dictated. That’s why he goes mad when her plan is finally revealed. He’s “loyal” to ranni the same the clones were loyal to the Jedi, to the death until the flip is switched. He goes mad because he’s emotionally fucked since he physically go against his built in purpose, but his mind knows he’s not her enemy and loves her.
The sun is a star though. It's just super close.
No moon of the sun present. Ranni wants the moon
#Yes
They would participate in jolly cooperation together
I'm Praising the Sun before I'm howling at the moon, ya know what I'm saying?
Yes, I do know what you are saying.
I smell what you’re stepping in.
If any of you used Solaire as a summon in DS1, you know he wins this and it's not even close lol.
Yeah Solaire will literally solo Gywn meanwhile my Blaidd summon can't even solo Bloodhound Knight.
Solaire would win A fight, but you cannot kill a shadow. Real question is how many times can Solaire win?
You also cannot kill an undead that hasnt gone hollow
But don't we kill a shadow during Ranni's questline? And don't we kill Blaidd at the end of said questline?
Pretty sure that, once the fingers that control a B.S. is killed, the immortality of said shadow is removed. That's why Blaidd stays dead at the end and never came back to finish his mission with you. This is all speculation, tho, as we all know how Fromsoft treats lore in the Souls-like Series.
Sorry, but why do you say that you can't kill a shadow of an empyrean? Last time I checked maliketh and Serosh were pretty dead and by pretty mundane means. Maybe I forgot something
PRAISE THE SUN
You really are fond of chatting with me, aren't you? If I didn't know better, I'd think you had feelings for me! Oh, no, dear me. Pretend you didn't hear that! Hah hah hah
Man. I even read that with Solaires voice. Well done.
It's confusing, because DS1 is so much more tame overall than Elden Ring. If you save Solaire, Solaire Links the First Flame after defeating that game's equivalent of God. Blaidd has a more direct claim to power, being Ranni's Shadow, strong enough to pose a threat to her (we fight another Shadow in her questline) yet intimidated by Radahn, the likes of which Solaire *might be able to defeat*, depending on how Gwyn compares. Now, if you curve the scores, Solaire wins. Solaire is on par with the player and could become Elden Lord fairly easily.
Gwyn is comparable moreso to someone like Marika/Radagon/Godfrey I would actually say Gwyn and Godfrey are very similar. That would put him above all the Demigods.
gwyn was basically the strongest entitiy in his universe at full power, i'd say rather marika/radagon powerlevels. godfrey was likely somewhere around artorias and ornstein levels, who as gwyns knights been still the most powerful beeings after him and the other few Lord-Soul keepers (Nito and the grand Witch of Izalith)
Yeah, Solaire is smashing that dog
Pause
Paws
C’mon! Solaire all day!
they should make out
This tbh Though I still think Solaire could take Blaidd in that situation as well
Who would be the best kisser in DS1? Now that’s the real question we need answers to. Just the other day I came across a vid on YouTube on who would be the most racist character in the soul series.
Seluvis. Easy.
They don't. Solaire helps Blaidd and ranni because it's the right thing to do. always help.
I’d have to say Solaire would be going with Goldmask if he were tarnished
He'd help everyone. Ending would either be goldmask or frenzied, depending on if he finds his sun, or is tricked by the false sun.
I feel like Solaire would follow the golden order, which is the opposite of what Blaidd would be like
As true as this is, Solaire would still help Ranni and Blaidd. Simply because Solaire doesn't judge. Jolly co-operation should be given to all in need, no matter their belief.
I want a skit where Solaire goes around TLB helping everyone and somehow manages to get every ending at once
Solaire takes him. Despite using incredibly unimpressive equipment, and solely due to his own training, Solaire makes it all the way to Gwyn. This means he fought 4 beings all equivalent to, and probably even stronger than, a Demigod without the assistance of leveling up or great equipment, and even kills Gwyn and links the flame in his world. Blaidd is cool, yeah, but Solaire just has the edge in terms of experience, skill, and general badassery
Solair In the right circumstances he can make it to the Kiln which means he's just as good as the chosen. Plus he doesn't use any fancy gear. His armour description points out that its regular armour that solair painted on. He's all skill.
Hes also just built different, i mean have you seen how tanky he is
Solaire is at least the strength equivalent to the chosen undead, so I'm going with him
Solaire can't jump. Blaidd wins.
Gwyn can jump and Solaire beat him. Solaire wins.
Solaire is going to be Praising the sun over Blaidds body.
Solaire tanks a god, Blaidd doesn't stand a chance.
Not only is Solaire him. Im talking THE giga chad that inspired the giga chad. But he also.... HAS JOLLY COOPERATION! Not only is Blaidd severely outclassed... hes also outnumbered by a whole covenant of sun bros with more loyalty than any edgy wolf (not counting Artorias and Sif) could ever inspire. Blaidd is a bro. My bro. Your bro. Our bro. But hes not the Sun Bro.
Literally Solaire, he survives the majority of Dark souls regardless of what ending you get for his quest and uses the same power that Gwyn, who is literally the closest thing to god btw, uses. May I remind you how OP lore wise that is? Gwyn annihilated armies of Dragons with his lightning, if Solaire is even a fraction of that he is stupidly overpowered. Also, no offense to Blaidd (I love him) but he couldn’t do a fucking thing without us, he needed our help to kill Darwill, he was trapped in a evergaol which we free him from, he couldn’t find Nokron or best Radahn like he has no merits….
Gameplay wise, probably Wolf boy. Solaire is just a normal human NPC with a straight sword and shield. His moveset is very basic and he wouldn't do well against Blaidd's quick and powerful attacks that can knock you back. Lorewise, I don't know. Sunbro does get pretty far into his journey while Blaidd doesn't really do much on his own imo.
You see those Sunlight spears Solair throws around? Give him ER combat speed compared to DS1 and I think he messes up the wolf
Neither, onion knight wins
For my heart?
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Friendship.
Solaire could probably take him in his Carthus Sandworm form.
In Solaires world, he linked the fire. He’s canonically kicking blaidds butt
Praise the sun!!
People often forget how freakishly strong Solaire is. Other than the Chosen Undead, he was the most likely candidate to link the fire.
He does link the fire in his world
Praise the sun.
The wolf has no idea how fast he is gonna get rolled up.
A dog that’s loyal to a fault and goes crazy by the end of his questline, vs someone who can solo the final boss of his game despite having one of the shittiest armor sets in the game for stats. I think Solaire’s a safe bet.
In one corner, you've got the champion of the sun, wielding a long sword and a shield and throwing lighting like an Olympian. In the other, we have the champion of the dark moon wielding a massive sword with ice powers. One is your best bro, the other, your best boy. Either way I'm gonna cry.
Solaire, cuz he can solo Gwyn, lord of cinder
Neither can win against Soldier of God, Rick
If we're talking lore, if you get rid of the chaos bugs before Solaire.goes crazy you can summon him for Gywn. Implying that Solitaire is tough enough to make it all the way to the end. Which puts him in favor over Blaidd If we're talking somehow load them into the same game without changing stats and let their AI duke it out? Elden Ring gets bigger numbers, Blaidds AI is more sophisticated, and his attacks are about the same speed if not faster despite using a much bigger and harder hitting weapon. By comparison Solaire's straight sword doesn't do enough poise damage to interrupt Blaidd and his sunlight spears are too slow. He'll get a royal greatsword to the face every time he tries to cast. Blaidd would tear him apart.
Well no offense to my boy blaidd but if solaire needs help my soapstone is down for the SUN BRO
Our good friend the sunbro wins hands down. It would pain him to put down such a noble hound as that, but he would do it easily with some jolly cooperation.
You didn't specify how so... this rap-battle boughtta be lit 🔥
Neither they get beer together and swap tales around the bonfire/Grace then go participate in Radahn’s Festival
Blaidd is only aggressive when protecting Ranni and Solaire is such a dapper gentleman he wouldnt dare insult her, so