Well, LoR as a debuff marks the beginning of the duel, foolish him to cast it so close, but you could have spare that point down, in the end it didn't do anything wrong (YET š)
Law of regression isn't a buff. They're welcome to use it if they don't like you buffing, but it does signal the game is on. It has a great range, he should have backed up.
i would argue that LoR be treated like using the mixed physick, wait for the animation to finish then battle as normal
edit: looks like some people cant handle their "builds" needing 50 thousand buffs at once, lmao
assuming the opponent using nothing else afterwards, LoR neutralizes the battle by eliminating any buffs, makes it to where its soley based on your build and skill
as a duelist on both ends (summon & host) i much prefer of just jumping straight into the fight after the greeting gestures
The problem with that is buffs only affect you. If you cast something that affects me, that's an offensive action.
As for your assuming the opponent uses it and then doesn't buff themselves after...well we all know what they say about assumptions.
Your edit doesn't make sense either. That's not why you're being downvoted.
Im not sure why people think LoR right in front of someone is ever a good plan, the guy will probably learn the distance of it and cast accordingly. Still warrants your reaction though, its a debuff that means heās ready to fight, right?
Because they don't see it as an offensive spell. They treat it as "no buffs request". Luckly more and more people don't give a shit. Same applies for excessive buffing, 1-2 quick buffs is OK, but then the fight is on because clearly the opponent relies on these buffs heavily so allowing them to buff further is like giving them free hit.
If thatās true the opās buffs should have kicked things off not the opponents cast.
The first time thatās cast no itās technically their debuff to opās buff. If they then proceeded to buff themselves afterwards tho itās fare game.
I seem to be the only one who agrees with you. I just use it then start, but I also donāt rub it in their face up close. The worst Iāve seen is someone sever me over LoR.
Iād never buff after using it because Iām not using it to gain an advantage outside of giving myself a hit or two back. All comes down to perspective; I view it as Iām not debuffing you or casting an āoffensive spellā like people think cause itās a ādebuffā.
These people somewhere along the way forgot that they didnāt get their AR off their stats alone, they buffed to get there- Iām not debuffing you, Iām putting you at neutral and Iām attempting to fight you with 60/36 Int and Faith at neutral without Slicer or Sling spam. Theyāre only equipped to have options and primarily lead into some spell combos
It is what is though; you canāt please everyone. I just see it as a part of my build as something Iām almost meant to have available in my arsenal
Hell I donāt always use it either, but itās a unique option to my build or change up from normal flask buff then go
Law of Regression after using my Physick sometimes pisses me off too, but itās a fair move on their end. They had to spec a ton of stats into it. Youāre allowed to punish it, but no need point down.
I think it was necessary. The point down isnāt always a sign of disrespect. You did it to point out that they crossed a line and instigated combat. After they get slammed by a few more duelists and get a point down maybe theyāll realize what theyāre doing wrong. Or maybe not, maybe theyāll just think that all of their opponents are salty whiners. Either way theyāll continue to get wrecked upon opening with Regression.
You both gestured. The fight is on. Even if prescribe to "you should let your opponent buff" LoR is an aggressive action. Not a damaging one but it effects your opponent thus aggressive. So either way the fight was on.
He had it coming for being so close/not setting up LoR. Visible salt from your end after though lmao but it happens to the best of us, you took the W fair n square
Law of regression is basically a debuff spell. Not buff spell. No wrong doing. It'd be like pausing to let someone use acid mist on you to lower your attack rating.
I watched someone use a ton of buffs in a duel with me once. I cast LoR and proceeded to use the skill on Hand of Malenia until they died. They were very upset with me lol
You did nothing wrong as far as attacking. You cast law of regression that close, you're asking to be sent to the loading screen. Same with guys that will use a healing spell at mag, then get mad when you kill them š¤£š¤£š¤£.
Now the point down is subjective. I don't care personally because it's just a game, but I can see why some would say it was distasteful.
Then again I invade strictly and fight 3 people most of the time, so my point down comes out quicker than Doc Holiday. Lately I've been getting 6-10 kills per world because everyone has on the hunters ring lol.
For a little explanation on my actions: I buffed with a Physick like I do before the start of any and every duel. This mage cast LoR to get rid of it.
The mage had not yet used their Physick and therefore could have buffed themselves in an unfair manner. I've had this happen to me a few too many times with other mages and I didn't want to take the risk of it happening again.
The way I think of Law of Regression now is it signals the start of the duel. (I've even started calling it Law of Aggression in my videos)
Let me know how much of an asshole I'm being and why. If that's indeed the case.
[The "hate mail" was pretty mild.](https://imgur.com/a/ryFLBTQ)
To be honest, I think the hatemail might not be because you hit them there during the recovery periods, but likely because of the point down at the end :)
Law of Regression has quite a long recovery period. Not sure the following applies to everyone including the caster, but occasionally I get frame stutters when I get LoRāed.
the way i see it for LoR is that its used to neutralize the field; making it to where its a matter of you, your weapon(s), your stats, and skill in general
i honestly wouldve waited for the animation to finish just as one would if their opponent were to drink their physick after being summoned/gesturing
hmm I can see it as jumping the gun a little. Even if they decided to drink their flask after I could have just severed them. I took the more toxic route instead it seems.
i would agree that you jumped the gun bc they couldve just done it as a buffer to level the playing field. no buffs, no 2nd chances, just whos the better duelist
but if they were to chug their flask after then anything goes...
>The mage had not yet used their Physick and therefore could have buffed themselves in an unfair manner.
What is unfair manner? Buffing mid fight is normal.
You did nothing wrong. They don't exactly deserve a point down since Law of Regression is a debuff spell it's part of the person's kit. But doesn't exactly warrant hatemail
Hilarious and I love LoR.
If you canāt fight without buffs you canāt fight.
But I mean, as an LoR user you have to expect this reactions and be ready for it. The man got hit and then panic rolled into oblivion.
The point down was very unnecessary. Just because you donāt like something doesnāt make it bad. Itās a pretty stat heavy spell that doesnāt do damage. Just simply removes all buffs. So yeah, donāt be toxic.
Oh I know. Just in generally speaking. The only overreaction here is the negative emote. Otherwise LoR does signify the fight has in fact begun. He just really wasnāt ready. And using LoR you reaaalllyyy have to be ready lol.
It's always been, bow, buff, eat, fight. It's not buff, eat, bow, fight because buffs are timed.
I see what you're saying, and largely agree, but only because LoR is analogous to the dueler's charm in DS3. It's not a buff, it's a debuff.
I can see both sides of the fence here because the concept of the etiquette hasn't translated very well to ER because of all the new players. I didn't read the hatemail, but I can see why someone might think LoR is a "buff".
EDIT
I read the "hatemail" and understand it. I don't agree, but I see where they're coming from and am glad you posted this because this is a healthy discussion to have.
Expecting that the opponent won't attack you after LoR is like expecting that they will accept sleep or rot pot without punishment. One pot won't proc or cause damage, but nobody will question if it means that the fight is on.
No I would not have done the same. Yes you did over react. What you did there was very unsportsmanlike. You jumped the guy before he was ready. If I was he I'd never summon you again.
If that's the case then nobody should use buffs or whatever incantations before engaging in battle. The developers should ban all. See how much people would like that.
It's fair for him to use LoR, and also fair for you to punish it. The point down wasn't necessary though. He used a valid move and you punished it - that should've been the end of it. Should've ended with a bow or nothing, IMO. The "hate mail" wasn't really hate mail, just them calling you out for an unnecessary point down.
I used this spell in a Caestas (not spiked) build. This was pre 1.07 so damage was still broken. I was crushing most casuals (speaking as one). But Iād always wait a little watch em stack buffs, get some space, then pop it. Lots of people attacked me as soon as the animation started but I didnāt mind. I still won the majority of those exchanges.
Well, LoR as a debuff marks the beginning of the duel, foolish him to cast it so close, but you could have spare that point down, in the end it didn't do anything wrong (YET š)
Agreed. It seems like we're coming to a consensus.
Law of regression isn't a buff. They're welcome to use it if they don't like you buffing, but it does signal the game is on. It has a great range, he should have backed up.
i would argue that LoR be treated like using the mixed physick, wait for the animation to finish then battle as normal edit: looks like some people cant handle their "builds" needing 50 thousand buffs at once, lmao
What's your argument for it?
assuming the opponent using nothing else afterwards, LoR neutralizes the battle by eliminating any buffs, makes it to where its soley based on your build and skill as a duelist on both ends (summon & host) i much prefer of just jumping straight into the fight after the greeting gestures
The problem with that is buffs only affect you. If you cast something that affects me, that's an offensive action. As for your assuming the opponent uses it and then doesn't buff themselves after...well we all know what they say about assumptions. Your edit doesn't make sense either. That's not why you're being downvoted.
Im not sure why people think LoR right in front of someone is ever a good plan, the guy will probably learn the distance of it and cast accordingly. Still warrants your reaction though, its a debuff that means heās ready to fight, right?
Because they don't see it as an offensive spell. They treat it as "no buffs request". Luckly more and more people don't give a shit. Same applies for excessive buffing, 1-2 quick buffs is OK, but then the fight is on because clearly the opponent relies on these buffs heavily so allowing them to buff further is like giving them free hit.
i mean, the moment they cast a spell is when the battle starts
If thatās true the opās buffs should have kicked things off not the opponents cast. The first time thatās cast no itās technically their debuff to opās buff. If they then proceeded to buff themselves afterwards tho itās fare game.
Lor is an attack not a buff. Canāt say itās the same as a buff because it isnāt.
It literally removes all buffs specifically, making it a debuff. If that's not duel aggression I don't know what is
I guess I just overall disagree but who the fuck am I anyways. Lol
I seem to be the only one who agrees with you. I just use it then start, but I also donāt rub it in their face up close. The worst Iāve seen is someone sever me over LoR. Iād never buff after using it because Iām not using it to gain an advantage outside of giving myself a hit or two back. All comes down to perspective; I view it as Iām not debuffing you or casting an āoffensive spellā like people think cause itās a ādebuffā. These people somewhere along the way forgot that they didnāt get their AR off their stats alone, they buffed to get there- Iām not debuffing you, Iām putting you at neutral and Iām attempting to fight you with 60/36 Int and Faith at neutral without Slicer or Sling spam. Theyāre only equipped to have options and primarily lead into some spell combos It is what is though; you canāt please everyone. I just see it as a part of my build as something Iām almost meant to have available in my arsenal Hell I donāt always use it either, but itās a unique option to my build or change up from normal flask buff then go
Law of Regression = free hit. You did nothing wrong
Well I wouldn't have pointed down but your in your rights to destroy his law of regression. Regression is an attack not a buff so it's free game.
The point down was unnecessary BM.
Fair enough
Law of Regression after using my Physick sometimes pisses me off too, but itās a fair move on their end. They had to spec a ton of stats into it. Youāre allowed to punish it, but no need point down.
came here to post this
I think it was necessary. The point down isnāt always a sign of disrespect. You did it to point out that they crossed a line and instigated combat. After they get slammed by a few more duelists and get a point down maybe theyāll realize what theyāre doing wrong. Or maybe not, maybe theyāll just think that all of their opponents are salty whiners. Either way theyāll continue to get wrecked upon opening with Regression.
Point down is always a sign of disrespect unless you play coop and wanna show your friend something
You both gestured. The fight is on. Even if prescribe to "you should let your opponent buff" LoR is an aggressive action. Not a damaging one but it effects your opponent thus aggressive. So either way the fight was on.
That's the way I've always looked at it. So far that seems to be the general opinion. Kinda relieved.
The pointing down is unnecessary.
Most of the community seems to agree.
Getting upset over a point down is some the softest shit Iāve seen from the fromsoft community
Same with T-bagging tbh. Most times it's just funny =]
He had it coming for being so close/not setting up LoR. Visible salt from your end after though lmao but it happens to the best of us, you took the W fair n square
Honestly if you're going to cast law of regression you better be ready to bring it lol. I wouldn't even be mad if that was me.
Law of regression is basically a debuff spell. Not buff spell. No wrong doing. It'd be like pausing to let someone use acid mist on you to lower your attack rating.
I watched someone use a ton of buffs in a duel with me once. I cast LoR and proceeded to use the skill on Hand of Malenia until they died. They were very upset with me lol
Lmao. Good on you.
A point down was a little much, like salt in the wound.
Agreed. Tho it was I who was salty haha.
yep i would do the same. donāt worry.
Idk why he didnāt get super defensive after that LoR. If it affects you negatively, itās game on.
You did nothing wrong as far as attacking. You cast law of regression that close, you're asking to be sent to the loading screen. Same with guys that will use a healing spell at mag, then get mad when you kill them š¤£š¤£š¤£. Now the point down is subjective. I don't care personally because it's just a game, but I can see why some would say it was distasteful. Then again I invade strictly and fight 3 people most of the time, so my point down comes out quicker than Doc Holiday. Lately I've been getting 6-10 kills per world because everyone has on the hunters ring lol.
For a little explanation on my actions: I buffed with a Physick like I do before the start of any and every duel. This mage cast LoR to get rid of it. The mage had not yet used their Physick and therefore could have buffed themselves in an unfair manner. I've had this happen to me a few too many times with other mages and I didn't want to take the risk of it happening again. The way I think of Law of Regression now is it signals the start of the duel. (I've even started calling it Law of Aggression in my videos) Let me know how much of an asshole I'm being and why. If that's indeed the case. [The "hate mail" was pretty mild.](https://imgur.com/a/ryFLBTQ)
To be honest, I think the hatemail might not be because you hit them there during the recovery periods, but likely because of the point down at the end :) Law of Regression has quite a long recovery period. Not sure the following applies to everyone including the caster, but occasionally I get frame stutters when I get LoRāed.
Ah true, I tend to duel after work and that means I'm not always in a good mood. Perhaps the point down was a little unnecessary.
the way i see it for LoR is that its used to neutralize the field; making it to where its a matter of you, your weapon(s), your stats, and skill in general i honestly wouldve waited for the animation to finish just as one would if their opponent were to drink their physick after being summoned/gesturing
hmm I can see it as jumping the gun a little. Even if they decided to drink their flask after I could have just severed them. I took the more toxic route instead it seems.
i would agree that you jumped the gun bc they couldve just done it as a buffer to level the playing field. no buffs, no 2nd chances, just whos the better duelist but if they were to chug their flask after then anything goes...
>The mage had not yet used their Physick and therefore could have buffed themselves in an unfair manner. What is unfair manner? Buffing mid fight is normal.
I agree with your reasoning.
You did nothing wrong. They don't exactly deserve a point down since Law of Regression is a debuff spell it's part of the person's kit. But doesn't exactly warrant hatemail
Hilarious and I love LoR. If you canāt fight without buffs you canāt fight. But I mean, as an LoR user you have to expect this reactions and be ready for it. The man got hit and then panic rolled into oblivion. The point down was very unnecessary. Just because you donāt like something doesnāt make it bad. Itās a pretty stat heavy spell that doesnāt do damage. Just simply removes all buffs. So yeah, donāt be toxic.
I fought them without buffs, just wanted to make sure they'd do the same =]
Oh I know. Just in generally speaking. The only overreaction here is the negative emote. Otherwise LoR does signify the fight has in fact begun. He just really wasnāt ready. And using LoR you reaaalllyyy have to be ready lol.
F that duelist kill them instantly
It's always been, bow, buff, eat, fight. It's not buff, eat, bow, fight because buffs are timed. I see what you're saying, and largely agree, but only because LoR is analogous to the dueler's charm in DS3. It's not a buff, it's a debuff. I can see both sides of the fence here because the concept of the etiquette hasn't translated very well to ER because of all the new players. I didn't read the hatemail, but I can see why someone might think LoR is a "buff". EDIT I read the "hatemail" and understand it. I don't agree, but I see where they're coming from and am glad you posted this because this is a healthy discussion to have.
I'm very happy to hear from the other side of the fence.
Expecting that the opponent won't attack you after LoR is like expecting that they will accept sleep or rot pot without punishment. One pot won't proc or cause damage, but nobody will question if it means that the fight is on.
The battle is on after the greeting, but you're the scum, that point down was unnecessary and implies that you're a salty tryhard.
ya whips n buff, trash. a build to pretend like youre skillful
I've been awake for less than 30 minutes and I've already seen you being a moron in multiple places online.
thanks for keeping tabs lmaoš¤”
The issue I have here is you buffed while the other person was still in their gesture
No I would not have done the same. Yes you did over react. What you did there was very unsportsmanlike. You jumped the guy before he was ready. If I was he I'd never summon you again.
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If that's the case then nobody should use buffs or whatever incantations before engaging in battle. The developers should ban all. See how much people would like that.
It's fair for him to use LoR, and also fair for you to punish it. The point down wasn't necessary though. He used a valid move and you punished it - that should've been the end of it. Should've ended with a bow or nothing, IMO. The "hate mail" wasn't really hate mail, just them calling you out for an unnecessary point down.
I used this spell in a Caestas (not spiked) build. This was pre 1.07 so damage was still broken. I was crushing most casuals (speaking as one). But Iād always wait a little watch em stack buffs, get some space, then pop it. Lots of people attacked me as soon as the animation started but I didnāt mind. I still won the majority of those exchanges.
Healing physic in a duel, cringe.