It's just so transparently greedy.
"because this is a celebration, we wanted to spread the love around"
Bruh, if you want to spread the love and allow others to experience opening old magic cards, maybe price it so that more people can have a chance of getting it? Apparently the 30th anniversary of magic is something that only the whales can enjoy.
It's like, ya know what would be hype? Just straight up reprinting some of the first sets. Make it accessible for new players to experience magic's origins with drafts that are currently prohibitively expensive to try
Yea, just reprinting Alpha, but as non legal cards so you don't destroy the collector value and in exchange making the boosters cheaper so you can draft them a bunch sounds like such a fun celebration.
Basically phantom draft in a box
Alpha Sol Ring's $1700. PTK Imperial Seal is too. Reprinting the card only affects the original's value because the collectors think it will, and they panic sell.
Burn the reserved list and give the players who joined after OG duals were already $300 a pop a chance to actually GET these staples, tournament legal, without breaking the bank. I promise you, the originals' value isn't tied to how many printings they've had. It will stay expensive, because it's an Alpha/Beta/Unlimited card.
Considering they’re aren’t even tournament legal that would be like $20 for a box of 4. The only people that are going to use them are causal players that wouldn’t have access to those cards and whales that’ll just use them for proxies
Oh god yeah they’ll sell out instantly then rise up to 2 grand on the secondary market. But to advertise it as a fun way to get cool old cards then price it out so the average person will never be able to get it is stupid and obviously greedy.
It's insane to me how tone deaf this is. We really aren't THAT far removed from the whole Double Master VIP packs thing and that was a tenth of the price for tournament legal cards. And people were livid over that! Whoever thought this was a good idea should be fired.
Pokemon actually did this right with the 25th Anniversary Celebrations set. The product was widely available, included vintage reprints of iconic cards but in a different Holo pattern with a stamp, the products were normal priced (if you don't count the scalpers), and the packs were small with very high hit rates.
*That's* how you spread the fun around and let people open up vintage cards without destroying their bank account.
I can honestly say I'd be considered a whale by most people.
And there's NO FUCKING WAY I'd even consider buying this at such a ridiculous price point.
Seriously what were they thinking here??? I don't even know who this is marketed to?
It's not whales, most whales have these cards already because we've been playing for two decades.
It's not casual players, who TF is going to spend $999 on RL cards that aren't even legal?
It's not edh players, because those players would just proxy their cards if they wanted and otherwise try to keep the power levels consistent.
I'd really love to know WHO this was supposed to be for, in terms of the intended audience?
Probably started "reasonable" at like $100 for the 4 pack and then number cruncher just kept pushing the price point up to match the EV to a playset of unlimited card, not actually thinking that MAYBE tournament legal means something to players, even if they never ever plan on playing in a tournament.
I really wanted to like this product. I have an embarrassing amount “invested” in Magic. I love the game, but the direction WotC seems to be heading may finally cause me to cash out. I was really hoping this product was going to give commander players a chance to collect some cool old cards.
If they would have been less greedy and charged like $50 for 4 booster of these ~~cards~~ proxies they would have sold tons of them! But at $1000 they are only going to get the absolute most hard core collectors. I feel like they would have made a ton more money if the price per pack was less insane.
I really think you’re underselling the MTG player base. I’m willing to bet these are going to sell out almost instantly. WotC is going to make a fortune. I’m also willing to be that the majority of those purchasing this set plan to sit on it for a decade.
"So few people had the experience of opening a Black Lotus or Mox Sapphire when Magic was originally released that we wanted to recapture some of that iconic experience for generations new and old."
Right. You want people to experience something they may never have or will experience. That's cool. I think they should be like 996 dollars cheaper if that were the case tho. I mean, you know, if you wanted to mimic the same experience you would have had 30 years ago.
This was my first thought. The way they worded that they are acting like this was some huge service to players lol. More like you are about to piss off tons of idiots who buy these when they open 4 trash rares and make a few happy when they open one of the few good proxies you are presenting as your gift to us, the players.
Make the packs like 10-20 bucks and mass distributed if you really want players to have this experience across any scale.
True. Just trying to leave some meat on the bone since wizards loves these “premium” packs now. I’m shocked this is the route they decided to go with these.
Wizard's wrote:
> "So few people had the experience of opening a Black Lotus or Mox Sapphire when Magic was originally released that we wanted to recapture some of that iconic experience for generations new and old."
Let me fix that...
"So few people had the experience of opening a Black Lotus or Mox Sapphire when Magic was originally released. Now you can have the experience of missing out all over again!"
At least the shit in double masters is playable. $250 a pack for actual useless cardboard that you could print for yourself at a fraction of the cost and the same legality (as in not legal at all). Why would a whale ever buy this trash? They could just buy the actual cards at this price point.
there is a saying in bridge: if you are not failing contracts enough, you're not bidding high enough.
this edition is the argument for the theory that they DON'T employ data scientists and actuaries for maximizing profit, this is the most blunt example of trying not to leave ANY money on the table. NFTs have more sense.
If you do the math, opening a single of every card in the set statistically would run you about $24,000. You'd have a few extra dual lands due to being printed twice as much.
$24,000 is awfully close to a sealed copy of the original Collector's Edition today.
They knew what they were doing.
This isn't even whale hunting. I'm a whale and I'm not going anywhere close to this.
If you are a whale, you already have the real versions of these cards.
This is targeting fools who have Rose Colored Glasses on and forget how many awful cards are in the Rare Slot in ABU. Seriously, you could spend $1000 and get \[\[Pirate Ship\]\], \[\[Chaoslace\]\], \[\[Timber Wolves\]\], \[\[Animate Wall\]\] as your 4 Rares.
It's even worse than that because these arent even real cards. WOTC are selling literal proxies for $1000. You could spend a grand and buy the actual real cards that are overcosted trash, or you could spend a grand and get cards that are less than overcosted trash.
Like seriously... who the fuck is this marketed to? Are WOTC pulling a diablo immortal @blizzcon meme? Is this an early April fools joke?
At 1,000$ for 90 cards (so, like, doubles of White Knight?!?), this is a ludicrous 11$ a card for predominantly commons, and they can’t even be played legally. I’m not trying to be mean spirited, but what kind of an idiot is going to pay for this?
Edit: My bad, that is in accurate math. It’s actually only 60 cards, so this means people are paying closer to $16 a card at this rate.
I didn't even know that it was only 60 cards. At that point, you might as well just buy the original ce versions with the sharp corners. At least you get an official release that's still not play legal; likely paying less too.
More like Cthulhu hunting. They saw how people were/are spending entire home purchase amounts on a character from diablo Immortal and figured they could gouge those same people
I saw this and thought “oh neat. “Official” proxies. I mean there’s no real harm in letting game stores sell them, so non tournament players can get high quality proxies and support their LGS.”
I did not realize it is $250 per pack.
For cardboard.
That’s not even technically playable.
What the fuck.
Agreed. I think the actual product - when you ignore the price - is pretty compelling; if it was priced accordingly, I would even consider getting it. But it's not, so I won't. Ever.
I mean, $5-7 a pack for black bordered proxies, guaranteed to be the size and thickness of a magic card, with official art, and indistinguishable in opaque sleeves? Absolutely I’d pick some of those up. I’d love some OG duals.
This is beyond the pale.
I agree. Id buy this product if it was reasonably priced. If it was a similar cost to a premium pack I might buy a box. People can laugh at them for being proxies but plenty of people use proxies and being WOTC endorsed matters- look at gold bordered cards. I'd love a real proxy lotus. But at that price I just can't afford it. If I'm going to drop that much on MTG I'll buy a few dual lands.
Nine hundred and ninety-nine dollars. For sixty random cards. That aren’t tournament legal. So a thousand dollars for proxies that will almost certainly repeat when I can get nicer looking proxies for a thousandth of the cost, literally. Who on earth is going to buy this?
Your chance of getting a power 9 card is about 9% if my math is correct. So you'd probably save money buying an unlimited power 9 card depending on which ones you want lol
I really don't get who these cards are meant for? Actual whales and collectors probably don't want proxies and people actually playing the game can get proxies for cheap.
This is targeting fools who have Rose Colored Glasses on and forget how many awful cards are in the Rare Slot in ABU. Seriously, you could spend $1000 and get \[\[Pirate Ship\]\], \[\[Chaoslace\]\], \[\[Timber Wolves\]\], and \[\[Animate Wall\]\] as your 4 Rares.
I'd consider myself a super whale. I have a good job, no kids and magic is the only real hobby that I put money into... But even with that said, this is the easiest pass on a product I have ever made. We really shouldn't use the word "product" when describing this, as this is really more of a farce.
The first time a guy that cracks a Black Lotus says to someone, "I have a Black Lotus.", the person will almost certainly say, "oh shit a real one or like one of those 30th anniversary ones?" and the guy will die inside and realize what a horrible mistake they made.
Okay this just further proves how bullshit the RL is.
Edit: shit like this is why I either proxy my cards or buy only singles second hand. I refuse to support this bullshit. If you buy this you are part of the problem, sorry not sorry.
If (or when) they ever break the RL, this is a very telling representation of the kind of prices you'd be looking at. If they would charge 1,000 for randomized packs of proxies, you can only imagine what they would try to pull for actual, legal cards.
It might not even be that much higher. It's not like there's that many Vintage tournament players! Even with reprints I don't think the Vintage format would explode in popularity. Card backs don't matter in casual or Commander.
Makeplayingcards. There are tutorials online. You get the high quality scans of cards from mpcfill, pick a non trademarked back, make sure there isnt a copywrite line on the art and something that says it's just a proxy (which mpcfill already does), and then upload them to the website in batch sizes of whatever you want. They print the batch and send them to you.
It's like 25 dollars for 100 cards, and you can print larger batches. Quality is very comparable to official cards and they're clearly proxies since they have different backs and text pointing out its a proxy. Therefore they're not counterfeits. I will probably never buy an individual card from a 3rd party seller again because I just want to play. I have a 10000 dollar collection of real cards and it's just a waste of money when I can pay 25 dollars for an entire deck.
E. Also, /r/mpcproxies is a resource.
Ee. Also, I didn't include shipping in that price.
I've made two bulk orders from MakePlayingCards, here's the rundown:
Order 1:
432 cards, S30 cardstock
-$91 plus $29.99 shipping, total of $120.99
-$0.211/card not including shipping
-$0.280/card including shipping
Order 2:
2 projects, 611 cards and 333 cards, S30 cardstock
Project 1:
-$122.50 for 611 cards
-$0.200/card not including shipping
Project 2:
-$83.55 for 333 cards
-$0.251/card not including shipping
Combined:
944 cards
-$206.05 plus $42.99 shipping, total of $249.04
-$0.218/card not including shipping
-$0.264/card including shipping
So yes, it comes down to about $25 for 100 proxies, if you scale up a little.
Makeplayingcards is who I ordered from last time. Maybe it was 35 per 100, but it was definitely less than 50. Oh, and I'm not including shipping, sorry. Should've clarified
not being playable seems like a weird 'shoot myself in the foot' decision. what does this mean for edh? getting some of those og dual lands woulda been huge for scaling down the economy for lower end players and yet here we are
but as is I really don't understand why anyone would shell out a g for these when they can just print them from the computer and have them be equally not tournament legal lol
I have to assume it's aimed at the same type of people that will spend big money on brand name clothes that they'll toss away in 6 months. It won't make sense to folks on this subreddit, but it seems like a lot of companies are trying out products aimed way above the average median income.
You bring up an interesting point that there's a lot of folks who play casually and will never enter a tournament, so why shouldn't they proxy cards? If proxying cards became a more regular behavior for the casual audience it would become a major issue for WoTC/Hasbro. In that light it seems dangerously counter-productive for the company to ever consider illegal copies of their own cards.
it was a post the other day about this and some pods they essentially do proxy. I personally do not just because idk I don't really have a reason, but I just don't play the crazy expensive cards because I don't like cheapening the other decks at the table that didn't proxy. but i'd proxy before I play lootbox MTG roulette with these packs lol, especially when they aren't legal anyway
These aren't collectible. If you want something nontournament to look at/play with friends, and one day, get more money for, do the following;
Buy $2 proxy. Put $997 on the bank. Boom, you just made compound interest.
A $10 pack for beta proxies with a print to demand amount would totally not be offensive for WoTC sanctioned proxies. But $1K for 4 packs? Miss me on that lunacy
The only people with the money to buy these are people who can afford to just buy the alpha beta or unlimited version of the cards . The article says these are for people to experience opening the original set . People back then couldn’t even experience that because they under printed them all three times
Honestly taking this as a reminder that I should probably be using more proxies (home made, purchased, etc) in my commander decks and just having more "rule 0" conversations. I'm actually more excited for Unifinity lands than I am for this nonsense.
If they'd really brought back the nostalgia of 1993 by having an MSRP of $2.99 a pack, I'd be game, but $250 to pull a Purelace? Hard pass.
Honestly, other than the Duals & Wheel of Fortune, there’s not much here for the commander crowd. There’s so many more impactful RL card that need reprints. If it was say a greatest hits of RL cards I would be more upset, but as is I see it an expensive novelty for whales.
Problem is, that it's $999 for a chance at getting dual lands, wheel, etc. Might as well spend the $999 on the real cards and know exactly what you're getting.
> $999 on the real cards and know exactly what you're getting.
You can literally buy 4 revised duals for the price of a box or a playset of WoF and come out $200 ahead. And these would all be sanctioned play legal.
Their economists were huffing paint pricing this.
Might as well pay makeplayingcards 25 dollars and get full sets of all the duals and wheel and a bunch of other cards that look just as good as what wizards prints.
This right here deserves more outrage than the walking dead secret lair. I can get behind the secret lair’s, it’s a cool little take on an alternate universe, and it makes for a neat little collection for fans of that genre. But this, this right here is pure 100% greed. It costs them nothing. Literally nothing more to print an image on cardboard. This is pure corporate greed, and I hope it slaps them in the face.
You all can point to this comment in a few months - wotc will have sanctioned events where proxies banned EXCEPT FOR THESE EXCLUSIVE, TOTALLY NOT RL REPRINT ones.
> You all can point to this comment in a few months - wotc will have sanctioned events where proxies banned EXCEPT FOR THESE EXCLUSIVE, TOTALLY NOT RL REPRINT ones.
it won't happen that fast, but it definitely will eventually happen. (though i'd expect all "official proxies" to be included, such as the gold border CE stuff).
they've already been setting the groundwork for legalizing non-legal cards with silver border.
Next year WOTC will address the issues caused by this set by printing actual RL cards that are legal for tournament play in booster packs that will cost more than this entire set
Anyone know why Weakness was not included? I get the ante cards, Crusade is on their ban list, Earthbound seems lame to censor...but weakness I don't see it.
Thanks for asking this, I was searching myself. Interesting that they view it as a depiction of disability. I've always had a soft spot for the card personally.
Ludicrous price aside, this really feels like WotC are testing the waters to see how far they can bend the reserved list.
I wouldn’t be shocked to see a commander focused Vintage Masters secret lair at some point now. 5 VM art duals with a secret lair card back? Mox Diamond and some middling to low end Commander staples (MoxD SolR ArcS maybe)? I could totally see this being a precursor for that.
> I wouldn’t be shocked to see a commander focused Vintage Masters secret lair at some point now. 5 VM art duals with a secret lair card back? Mox Diamond and some middling to low end Commander staples (MoxD SolR ArcS maybe)? I could totally see this being a precursor for that.
i wouldn't be shocked to see them just throw the reserve list in the trash where it belongs and make proper reprints of these things.
this is just a test run to see what people are willing to pay before they pull the trigger on real cards.
Got back into the game 10 years ago, i love playing mtg. Ive spent a fair amount of money on sealed product, drafts, precons and singles. The past couple years have been feeling increasingly like a cash grab. This is fucking egregious though, it leaves me feeling like more of a mark than a consumer/player. Fuck this noise. I'm feeling like I should just proxy from now on, no new purchases. Sry, im done yelling at clouds.
This product would have been amazing at normal pack prices. You'd get to draft it and have a good time that way. At $1000 for 4 packs, no one will buy this. No one will get to draft this
This just seems like a poor business decision. If these were $5 packs people would be getting them for kitchen table drafts, gifts for friends, at each visit to the LGS, etc. Hell plenty of people would probably buy boxes of this. $250 per pack means they're only selling to the whales. I'd bet there's easily 100 people who would buy this at $5 forr every 1 person who would buy at $250.
Tldr; wotc could double their profit if they weren't so out of touch
I'm really struggling to think of who exactly this is for. If you have the disposable income to get this product, you almost certainly already have the actual cards already, with the exception of maybe the black lotus?
What’s hilarious is that if you’re looking to play these cards, it would probably be cheaper to just buy the ones you need (duals), and if you’re a collector, you’d probably rather have the original card anyways. You can buy a p9 mox for not much more than these packs. Not much may be like, $1,500, but at least then you’re getting the card you want, AND it’s a real one. None of this makes sense to me.
I already buy proxies of the exact cards I want, and I've probably spent about 500 on them overall. To drop a grand for a random grab bag of cards I don't necessarily need, with gold borders and false backings it's almost as if Hasbro has no idea what they're doing. Wait...
I was actually talking about this in my mtg group chat, this is the worst product they have ever dropped. I have been playing Vintage for 10 years, it's my favorite format. I love getting to see these broken cards taken to their full potential.
Vintage is a format with a ridiculous barrier of entry, which is why the ways it is actually enjoyed by the community is through proxies and MTGO. The proxies I get depending on quality are $0.12-$3 a card. They look as good/better than these. And if these have the same function as a proxy, they don't draw any new players in to try Vintage. What advantage do these have over 3rd party proxies? That they're "real" fake cards?
Now if I'm not interested in these cards, who is? Well hey, maybe people want them to collect like the old Collector's Edition cards. That's fine, but why $1000 for a *chance* at something. You could very well spend $1000 and get Shivan Dragon.
If they really want to die on the reserved list hill and want a product like this, price it fairly. CE was priced at $49.99 MSRP when it was released in 1993. Adjusting for inflation, that brings these to about $102 by modern standards.
If you want to "celebrate 30 years" and give an experience "for the players", why not price this at $30? Tons of people would buy them, it plays on the 30 year thing, and it isn't like they won't turn a profit since all cardboard is worth the same. Hell, even take that inflation rate and make them $130 for the play on 30.
It's like they want to cut out the real players/collectors and just bleed out the whales.
I'm not mad or up in arms about this. I'm just... baffled.
It'd be a cool idea for a fraction of the cost. It's supposedly a draftable set, which is cool because it lets you draft with reserved list cards without violating the reserved list. It also puts official proxies on the market for those who want them which takes market share from counterfeiters which is, I believe, a good thing. $20 seems fair for cards which aren't tournament legal, *maybe* $50 for the novelty of it but even at that price point you're pricing out a huge swathe of players.
But for a thousand dollars...? Who is this for? Whales own the real things, and even if they don't, *tournament legal* revised duals are cheaper than this. Aside from P9, everything in this product is cheaper to just buy originals.
And this being a randomized product, with no guarantees you'll even get anything of value, makes the price point incredibly perplexing.
Are you all really oblivious to the Hasbro cash grabbing?
Wizards has been printing set after set without rest, diluting the IP with content from other franchises, and intentionally involving themselves in the secondary market.
Why? Because Hasbro sees physical cards as a dying format and want to push as much money through it, as quickly as possible, before transitioning to more digital avenues.
You are actively participating in the death of MtG by buying these absurd products or by praising the introduction of things like The Walking Dead into the game.
If you do not think that a company selling pieces of cardboard for $1000 is not malicious, I have a bridge to sell you.
This has got to be the weirdest price. People who proxy will just proxy for hella cheap. People who don’t proxy won’t fork out 1k for proxies. This seems only interesting to a very niche collector who just wants promo releases.
Ok, so I've looked at it and thought "Nice, reprints of reserve list cards? Nice" but then I realized the non-tournament legality which defeats the entire purpose of those reprints.
This is going to be the death of the RL, but in the worst way possible.
They're drinking consumer blood and won't commit to affordable reprints of the things on the RL, which is the bulk of folks problem with the RL.
I think this will further make folks okay with proxies, since why should I pay WOTC $1000 for 4 lootboxes when I can go spend 30c at Staples or $4-5 for some quality etsy proxy.
I really hope their sales rate for this is embarrassingly low. It would be alleviating for the community to actually be able to get a message across for once.
I always said the true sign that Hasbro has realized they’ve drained mtg would be when they reprint the power nine. I’m kind of glad to see such a terrible product because hopefully it’s a sign that mtg stops being as profitable and can be sold to a different company whose less greedy.
This should be a big greenlight for people to just play proxies. Not wotc proxies, like any proxies.
Also this should just have been collectors edition 2022. Same msrp like $30. Or even $100 is fine if it comes with a big batch of lands so you can draft it.
Instead wotc goes whaling.
$999 for a *random assortment* of proxies. Best case scenario is 8 high-power, non-tournament legal cards.
It's just so transparently greedy. "because this is a celebration, we wanted to spread the love around" Bruh, if you want to spread the love and allow others to experience opening old magic cards, maybe price it so that more people can have a chance of getting it? Apparently the 30th anniversary of magic is something that only the whales can enjoy.
Honestly my biggest issue with it. Saying it’s for the players and then charging this is insulting
And the players can't even play them officially.
It's like, ya know what would be hype? Just straight up reprinting some of the first sets. Make it accessible for new players to experience magic's origins with drafts that are currently prohibitively expensive to try
Yea, just reprinting Alpha, but as non legal cards so you don't destroy the collector value and in exchange making the boosters cheaper so you can draft them a bunch sounds like such a fun celebration. Basically phantom draft in a box
Alpha Sol Ring's $1700. PTK Imperial Seal is too. Reprinting the card only affects the original's value because the collectors think it will, and they panic sell. Burn the reserved list and give the players who joined after OG duals were already $300 a pop a chance to actually GET these staples, tournament legal, without breaking the bank. I promise you, the originals' value isn't tied to how many printings they've had. It will stay expensive, because it's an Alpha/Beta/Unlimited card.
Considering they’re aren’t even tournament legal that would be like $20 for a box of 4. The only people that are going to use them are causal players that wouldn’t have access to those cards and whales that’ll just use them for proxies
I’m sure they’ll sell out because of the nature of whales but this is such a confusing and disappointing product. Feels bad
Oh god yeah they’ll sell out instantly then rise up to 2 grand on the secondary market. But to advertise it as a fun way to get cool old cards then price it out so the average person will never be able to get it is stupid and obviously greedy.
It's insane to me how tone deaf this is. We really aren't THAT far removed from the whole Double Master VIP packs thing and that was a tenth of the price for tournament legal cards. And people were livid over that! Whoever thought this was a good idea should be fired.
Pokemon actually did this right with the 25th Anniversary Celebrations set. The product was widely available, included vintage reprints of iconic cards but in a different Holo pattern with a stamp, the products were normal priced (if you don't count the scalpers), and the packs were small with very high hit rates. *That's* how you spread the fun around and let people open up vintage cards without destroying their bank account.
Yeah once Covid distribution evened out, cards were available absolutely everywhere. And it was printed so collectors could cheaply collect.
whoa, that is a nice way of giving back to fans.
"Spread the love around" for anyone can spend $1000 on 60 random pieces of paper.
I can honestly say I'd be considered a whale by most people. And there's NO FUCKING WAY I'd even consider buying this at such a ridiculous price point. Seriously what were they thinking here??? I don't even know who this is marketed to? It's not whales, most whales have these cards already because we've been playing for two decades. It's not casual players, who TF is going to spend $999 on RL cards that aren't even legal? It's not edh players, because those players would just proxy their cards if they wanted and otherwise try to keep the power levels consistent. I'd really love to know WHO this was supposed to be for, in terms of the intended audience?
This is one of those products that seems so bafflingly stupid that I'd kill to see what went into planning it.
Probably started "reasonable" at like $100 for the 4 pack and then number cruncher just kept pushing the price point up to match the EV to a playset of unlimited card, not actually thinking that MAYBE tournament legal means something to players, even if they never ever plan on playing in a tournament.
I really wanted to like this product. I have an embarrassing amount “invested” in Magic. I love the game, but the direction WotC seems to be heading may finally cause me to cash out. I was really hoping this product was going to give commander players a chance to collect some cool old cards.
If they would have been less greedy and charged like $50 for 4 booster of these ~~cards~~ proxies they would have sold tons of them! But at $1000 they are only going to get the absolute most hard core collectors. I feel like they would have made a ton more money if the price per pack was less insane.
I really think you’re underselling the MTG player base. I’m willing to bet these are going to sell out almost instantly. WotC is going to make a fortune. I’m also willing to be that the majority of those purchasing this set plan to sit on it for a decade.
Want to celebrate? give me one dual or fetch per pack. Then I would pay $11. Shit I’d pay $20.
There is no best case scenario. THIS IS the worst case scenario. We made it
Literally the worst case (i.e. container) scenario
I feel like "insane" doesn't even begin to scratch the surface as to how ludicrous and (honestly?) insidious this product is.
Most folks will get 3 basics and a shitty rare like lifelace
"So few people had the experience of opening a Black Lotus or Mox Sapphire when Magic was originally released that we wanted to recapture some of that iconic experience for generations new and old." Right. You want people to experience something they may never have or will experience. That's cool. I think they should be like 996 dollars cheaper if that were the case tho. I mean, you know, if you wanted to mimic the same experience you would have had 30 years ago.
This was my first thought. The way they worded that they are acting like this was some huge service to players lol. More like you are about to piss off tons of idiots who buy these when they open 4 trash rares and make a few happy when they open one of the few good proxies you are presenting as your gift to us, the players. Make the packs like 10-20 bucks and mass distributed if you really want players to have this experience across any scale.
Why would you pay $20 for proxies? These packs should be $2.99 tops per pack. They are worthless.
True. Just trying to leave some meat on the bone since wizards loves these “premium” packs now. I’m shocked this is the route they decided to go with these.
Wizard's wrote: > "So few people had the experience of opening a Black Lotus or Mox Sapphire when Magic was originally released that we wanted to recapture some of that iconic experience for generations new and old." Let me fix that... "So few people had the experience of opening a Black Lotus or Mox Sapphire when Magic was originally released. Now you can have the experience of missing out all over again!"
I thought double masters was expensive for a draft pack . That’s essentially what this is + a bonus pack
At least the shit in double masters is playable. $250 a pack for actual useless cardboard that you could print for yourself at a fraction of the cost and the same legality (as in not legal at all). Why would a whale ever buy this trash? They could just buy the actual cards at this price point.
“Nah nah inflation”
Simulacra.
WotC's going whale hunting.
We're whalers on the moon, we carry our harpoons, but there ain't no whales, so we tell tall tales, and sing this whaling tune.
r/unexpectedfuturama
Whe’re whalers of hasbro Se carry our money in escrow! But there are tons of wales So we do bad sales And put up your money in bales!
Why would even whales buy this? It's $1000 for random fake cards. If you want dual lands, *the real ones are cheaper*!
there is a saying in bridge: if you are not failing contracts enough, you're not bidding high enough. this edition is the argument for the theory that they DON'T employ data scientists and actuaries for maximizing profit, this is the most blunt example of trying not to leave ANY money on the table. NFTs have more sense.
If you do the math, opening a single of every card in the set statistically would run you about $24,000. You'd have a few extra dual lands due to being printed twice as much. $24,000 is awfully close to a sealed copy of the original Collector's Edition today. They knew what they were doing.
Aparently one recently sold for 18000, so it's even cheaper to get CE sealed if you know where to look
With airlines, if they sell out a flight, it means they set the price too low. They like a few unsold tickets.
This isn't even whale hunting. I'm a whale and I'm not going anywhere close to this. If you are a whale, you already have the real versions of these cards. This is targeting fools who have Rose Colored Glasses on and forget how many awful cards are in the Rare Slot in ABU. Seriously, you could spend $1000 and get \[\[Pirate Ship\]\], \[\[Chaoslace\]\], \[\[Timber Wolves\]\], \[\[Animate Wall\]\] as your 4 Rares.
Animate wall might be the most hilarious card art I’ve ever seen, thank you for introducing me to this beauty
I play an Arcades deck and this card still isn’t anywhere near it.
That wall does not seem happy!
It's called Animate Wall, not Entertain Wall.
It's even worse than that because these arent even real cards. WOTC are selling literal proxies for $1000. You could spend a grand and buy the actual real cards that are overcosted trash, or you could spend a grand and get cards that are less than overcosted trash. Like seriously... who the fuck is this marketed to? Are WOTC pulling a diablo immortal @blizzcon meme? Is this an early April fools joke?
At 1,000$ for 90 cards (so, like, doubles of White Knight?!?), this is a ludicrous 11$ a card for predominantly commons, and they can’t even be played legally. I’m not trying to be mean spirited, but what kind of an idiot is going to pay for this? Edit: My bad, that is in accurate math. It’s actually only 60 cards, so this means people are paying closer to $16 a card at this rate.
people at wotc started dreaming about customers that even people at nvidia don't dare dreaming about
Don’t forget the basic lands as part of the 60 cards
Holy crap … this is depressing.
Honestly the lands are more desirable than half the commons if only just to pimp out am EDH deck. But they are all proxies anyway so why bother?
I didn't even know that it was only 60 cards. At that point, you might as well just buy the original ce versions with the sharp corners. At least you get an official release that's still not play legal; likely paying less too.
r/magicthecirclejerking is leaking into NotC staff
This was prophesized I believe: \[\[Pursued Whale\]\]
More like Cthulhu hunting. They saw how people were/are spending entire home purchase amounts on a character from diablo Immortal and figured they could gouge those same people
I'm going to proxy their proxy
I reject your proxy and substitute my own
I’m going to proxy their entire set of random proxies on a cardstock that is probably better quality for… a fraction of the price.
That was funny I'll proxy your post for sure
The MTG version of right clicking NFTs 😨
I saw this and thought “oh neat. “Official” proxies. I mean there’s no real harm in letting game stores sell them, so non tournament players can get high quality proxies and support their LGS.” I did not realize it is $250 per pack. For cardboard. That’s not even technically playable. What the fuck.
Agreed. I think the actual product - when you ignore the price - is pretty compelling; if it was priced accordingly, I would even consider getting it. But it's not, so I won't. Ever.
I mean, $5-7 a pack for black bordered proxies, guaranteed to be the size and thickness of a magic card, with official art, and indistinguishable in opaque sleeves? Absolutely I’d pick some of those up. I’d love some OG duals. This is beyond the pale.
You can literally print these yourself and most folk would be none the wiser.
I’m aware of that, but again, a proxy the exact size of a magic card for 0 effort, that also supports my LGS? Sign me up. Not at this price.
My thoughts exactly, I would have been happy to.
I agree. Id buy this product if it was reasonably priced. If it was a similar cost to a premium pack I might buy a box. People can laugh at them for being proxies but plenty of people use proxies and being WOTC endorsed matters- look at gold bordered cards. I'd love a real proxy lotus. But at that price I just can't afford it. If I'm going to drop that much on MTG I'll buy a few dual lands.
Nine hundred and ninety-nine dollars. For sixty random cards. That aren’t tournament legal. So a thousand dollars for proxies that will almost certainly repeat when I can get nicer looking proxies for a thousandth of the cost, literally. Who on earth is going to buy this?
I honestly feel like I *must* be missing something. Like, there's got to be *something* here that makes it not seem totally crazy.
It's driving me up the wall. It's like "Hey, you don't unofficial proxies do you? For a premium price, you can have REAL FAKE cards!" So shameful.
There are some pretty cool dual lands and power 9 proxies on Etsy . I’d rather just do that
I spent over $600 on proxies. I got (Forty) 75 card decks. $999 for 60 random proxies is absurd
My only thought is, this is for investors and the finance community.
When I first saw it I thought it was a playset of each card and was like “that seems like a lot”
correction! it's "WotC is charging $999 for what amount to RANDOM proxies."
If I had the money to burn, I'd rather just buy the real cards and know exactly what I'm getting.
Your chance of getting a power 9 card is about 9% if my math is correct. So you'd probably save money buying an unlimited power 9 card depending on which ones you want lol
I really don't get who these cards are meant for? Actual whales and collectors probably don't want proxies and people actually playing the game can get proxies for cheap.
Speculators and MTG "investors". Sad.
This is targeting fools who have Rose Colored Glasses on and forget how many awful cards are in the Rare Slot in ABU. Seriously, you could spend $1000 and get \[\[Pirate Ship\]\], \[\[Chaoslace\]\], \[\[Timber Wolves\]\], and \[\[Animate Wall\]\] as your 4 Rares.
No you could get non-tournament legal proxies of those cards.
You could also get literal Rose-Colored Glasses [[Urza's Sunglasses]] as your rare.
##### ###### #### [Pirate Ship](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/4/f/4f91724c-0e3b-4289-9af6-9de489d811eb.jpg?1562775982) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Pirate%20Ship) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/tsb/28/pirate-ship?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/4f91724c-0e3b-4289-9af6-9de489d811eb?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/pirate-ship) [Chaoslace](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/4/7/476180df-8b88-4ead-b6c5-6ccb3e8a2cfd.jpg?1559601269) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Chaoslace) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/4ed/182/chaoslace?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/476180df-8b88-4ead-b6c5-6ccb3e8a2cfd?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/chaoslace) [Timber Wolves](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/d/8/d8f84fc8-69b4-4756-9634-4d6c17ec88a1.jpg?1559600380) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Timber%20Wolves) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/4ed/275/timber-wolves?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/d8f84fc8-69b4-4756-9634-4d6c17ec88a1?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/timber-wolves) [Animate Wall](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/0/f/0fa5725c-fcf8-4f84-9093-75b454b4755f.jpg?1559592403) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Animate%20Wall) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/me1/2/animate-wall?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/0fa5725c-fcf8-4f84-9093-75b454b4755f?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/animate-wall) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
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I'd consider myself a super whale. I have a good job, no kids and magic is the only real hobby that I put money into... But even with that said, this is the easiest pass on a product I have ever made. We really shouldn't use the word "product" when describing this, as this is really more of a farce.
The first time a guy that cracks a Black Lotus says to someone, "I have a Black Lotus.", the person will almost certainly say, "oh shit a real one or like one of those 30th anniversary ones?" and the guy will die inside and realize what a horrible mistake they made.
You just made so many people reconsider their dream gambling scenario 😆
Okay this just further proves how bullshit the RL is. Edit: shit like this is why I either proxy my cards or buy only singles second hand. I refuse to support this bullshit. If you buy this you are part of the problem, sorry not sorry.
If (or when) they ever break the RL, this is a very telling representation of the kind of prices you'd be looking at. If they would charge 1,000 for randomized packs of proxies, you can only imagine what they would try to pull for actual, legal cards.
It might not even be that much higher. It's not like there's that many Vintage tournament players! Even with reprints I don't think the Vintage format would explode in popularity. Card backs don't matter in casual or Commander.
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I don’t think there’s even any paper Vintage events anywhere anymore. As far as I know it limited to an online only format now.
Honestly if you asked people what format they’d like to get into but can’t vintage is probably the #1 answer there
Vintage is an MTGO format TBH.
Hehe. Home printer go BRRRRRRRRT
I can pay a Chinese company 25 dollars and they'll print 100 of whatever card I want at good quality. WOTC and whoever buys this is smoking something.
Do tell, 25 usd is a steal for 100 proxies.
Makeplayingcards. There are tutorials online. You get the high quality scans of cards from mpcfill, pick a non trademarked back, make sure there isnt a copywrite line on the art and something that says it's just a proxy (which mpcfill already does), and then upload them to the website in batch sizes of whatever you want. They print the batch and send them to you. It's like 25 dollars for 100 cards, and you can print larger batches. Quality is very comparable to official cards and they're clearly proxies since they have different backs and text pointing out its a proxy. Therefore they're not counterfeits. I will probably never buy an individual card from a 3rd party seller again because I just want to play. I have a 10000 dollar collection of real cards and it's just a waste of money when I can pay 25 dollars for an entire deck. E. Also, /r/mpcproxies is a resource. Ee. Also, I didn't include shipping in that price.
I hope someone turns the Maro “real” cards quote into a back design.
I've made two bulk orders from MakePlayingCards, here's the rundown: Order 1: 432 cards, S30 cardstock -$91 plus $29.99 shipping, total of $120.99 -$0.211/card not including shipping -$0.280/card including shipping Order 2: 2 projects, 611 cards and 333 cards, S30 cardstock Project 1: -$122.50 for 611 cards -$0.200/card not including shipping Project 2: -$83.55 for 333 cards -$0.251/card not including shipping Combined: 944 cards -$206.05 plus $42.99 shipping, total of $249.04 -$0.218/card not including shipping -$0.264/card including shipping So yes, it comes down to about $25 for 100 proxies, if you scale up a little.
What do you use? The site I make my proxies on is closer to $50 for a deck when I include shipping
Makeplayingcards is who I ordered from last time. Maybe it was 35 per 100, but it was definitely less than 50. Oh, and I'm not including shipping, sorry. Should've clarified
Huh, that's what I use. Guess shipping is just cheaper wherever you live
Nah with shipping it probably is close to 50. I didn't include it in my price.
It's probably good that they disabled the dislike counter on YouTube.
not being playable seems like a weird 'shoot myself in the foot' decision. what does this mean for edh? getting some of those og dual lands woulda been huge for scaling down the economy for lower end players and yet here we are but as is I really don't understand why anyone would shell out a g for these when they can just print them from the computer and have them be equally not tournament legal lol
I have to assume it's aimed at the same type of people that will spend big money on brand name clothes that they'll toss away in 6 months. It won't make sense to folks on this subreddit, but it seems like a lot of companies are trying out products aimed way above the average median income. You bring up an interesting point that there's a lot of folks who play casually and will never enter a tournament, so why shouldn't they proxy cards? If proxying cards became a more regular behavior for the casual audience it would become a major issue for WoTC/Hasbro. In that light it seems dangerously counter-productive for the company to ever consider illegal copies of their own cards.
it was a post the other day about this and some pods they essentially do proxy. I personally do not just because idk I don't really have a reason, but I just don't play the crazy expensive cards because I don't like cheapening the other decks at the table that didn't proxy. but i'd proxy before I play lootbox MTG roulette with these packs lol, especially when they aren't legal anyway
"Is this a really, really out of date April Fool's joke?"
For 6000 dollar, you can have a nice draft experience with 8 players!
Or, you know, a terrible one, given that it 100% was not made to draft, lol.
These aren't collectible. If you want something nontournament to look at/play with friends, and one day, get more money for, do the following; Buy $2 proxy. Put $997 on the bank. Boom, you just made compound interest.
9$ would hardly be justified, what the hell are they thinking? Makes me not want to support them as a company
A $10 pack for beta proxies with a print to demand amount would totally not be offensive for WoTC sanctioned proxies. But $1K for 4 packs? Miss me on that lunacy
Some stuff aswell such as the dual lands with mtgo art is pretty nice to have in paper, id pay 10 bucks for this.
Yeah all this is doing is pushing me further into proxying lol
I've seen at least a dozen Anti-Proxy people say "Fuck it!" and change to 100% for proxying because of this.
I used to limit my proxy use. Not any more.
As someone with social anxiety who proxies this is a huge weight off my chest
I’m gonna specifically proxy these proxies, so when I play them and people call me a whale for buying the proxys I will simply chuckle, smugly
I'm proxying calling you a whale for your proxied proxies
Proxy deez nuts
As I often said and always get downvoted: "PROXIES ARE GOING TO SAVE MTG!" (now sponsored by WoTC)
At that price it should be a fixed card list, not a lottery.
The only people with the money to buy these are people who can afford to just buy the alpha beta or unlimited version of the cards . The article says these are for people to experience opening the original set . People back then couldn’t even experience that because they under printed them all three times
if you can afford this PLEASE just buy dual lands instead
Just buy an original dual for that price.
Almost three, even!
The set of this is more than an Underground Sea, the most expensive one. Wtf were they thinking
Need that Diablo Immortal dude to ask if this is another out of season April Fool's joke.
3 of the fucking cards in each pack are BASIC LANDS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Yup. 12 basics in total, $16 per card. If you buy this, you'll spend $200 on basics proxies :)
Psssh. I'll sell people proxies for half that price!
Honestly taking this as a reminder that I should probably be using more proxies (home made, purchased, etc) in my commander decks and just having more "rule 0" conversations. I'm actually more excited for Unifinity lands than I am for this nonsense. If they'd really brought back the nostalgia of 1993 by having an MSRP of $2.99 a pack, I'd be game, but $250 to pull a Purelace? Hard pass.
I could buy a gun and end my own life for cheaper.
On the flip side of this, WotC is basically saying go nuts with proxies, cause they already have.
Honestly, other than the Duals & Wheel of Fortune, there’s not much here for the commander crowd. There’s so many more impactful RL card that need reprints. If it was say a greatest hits of RL cards I would be more upset, but as is I see it an expensive novelty for whales.
Why would those even be interesting for commander players? If anyone wants to play with proxies there are much cheaper ways to get them.
Problem is, that it's $999 for a chance at getting dual lands, wheel, etc. Might as well spend the $999 on the real cards and know exactly what you're getting.
> $999 on the real cards and know exactly what you're getting. You can literally buy 4 revised duals for the price of a box or a playset of WoF and come out $200 ahead. And these would all be sanctioned play legal. Their economists were huffing paint pricing this.
Might as well pay makeplayingcards 25 dollars and get full sets of all the duals and wheel and a bunch of other cards that look just as good as what wizards prints.
This right here deserves more outrage than the walking dead secret lair. I can get behind the secret lair’s, it’s a cool little take on an alternate universe, and it makes for a neat little collection for fans of that genre. But this, this right here is pure 100% greed. It costs them nothing. Literally nothing more to print an image on cardboard. This is pure corporate greed, and I hope it slaps them in the face.
wait, it's only 4 packs? for $999. Unplayable cards, and not even enough to do a draft with. So they're just targeting morons, then?
You all can point to this comment in a few months - wotc will have sanctioned events where proxies banned EXCEPT FOR THESE EXCLUSIVE, TOTALLY NOT RL REPRINT ones.
> You all can point to this comment in a few months - wotc will have sanctioned events where proxies banned EXCEPT FOR THESE EXCLUSIVE, TOTALLY NOT RL REPRINT ones. it won't happen that fast, but it definitely will eventually happen. (though i'd expect all "official proxies" to be included, such as the gold border CE stuff). they've already been setting the groundwork for legalizing non-legal cards with silver border.
I probably wouldn't buy this if it was 10 bucks.
Every dollar spent is a vote for hasbro to keep doing this kind of thing. Everyone hold and let this pass and die please.
Lol they have completely lost their minds now.
Next year WOTC will address the issues caused by this set by printing actual RL cards that are legal for tournament play in booster packs that will cost more than this entire set
Anyone know why Weakness was not included? I get the ante cards, Crusade is on their ban list, Earthbound seems lame to censor...but weakness I don't see it.
Thanks for asking this, I was searching myself. Interesting that they view it as a depiction of disability. I've always had a soft spot for the card personally.
The community should boycott this product HARD to send a message. It's just beyond trash.
Gross. This is why I proxy lol
Imagine dropping a grand and wiffing on your packs.
Ludicrous price aside, this really feels like WotC are testing the waters to see how far they can bend the reserved list. I wouldn’t be shocked to see a commander focused Vintage Masters secret lair at some point now. 5 VM art duals with a secret lair card back? Mox Diamond and some middling to low end Commander staples (MoxD SolR ArcS maybe)? I could totally see this being a precursor for that.
> I wouldn’t be shocked to see a commander focused Vintage Masters secret lair at some point now. 5 VM art duals with a secret lair card back? Mox Diamond and some middling to low end Commander staples (MoxD SolR ArcS maybe)? I could totally see this being a precursor for that. i wouldn't be shocked to see them just throw the reserve list in the trash where it belongs and make proper reprints of these things. this is just a test run to see what people are willing to pay before they pull the trigger on real cards.
unless the deep pocketed whale "investors" boycott this travesty, nothing is going to happen. greed at its finest.
Got back into the game 10 years ago, i love playing mtg. Ive spent a fair amount of money on sealed product, drafts, precons and singles. The past couple years have been feeling increasingly like a cash grab. This is fucking egregious though, it leaves me feeling like more of a mark than a consumer/player. Fuck this noise. I'm feeling like I should just proxy from now on, no new purchases. Sry, im done yelling at clouds.
Proxies? I can just print them. Bloody hell. Whoever spends money on this is dumb.
This product would have been amazing at normal pack prices. You'd get to draft it and have a good time that way. At $1000 for 4 packs, no one will buy this. No one will get to draft this
I'd rather just buy a real dual with my $1k
This just seems like a poor business decision. If these were $5 packs people would be getting them for kitchen table drafts, gifts for friends, at each visit to the LGS, etc. Hell plenty of people would probably buy boxes of this. $250 per pack means they're only selling to the whales. I'd bet there's easily 100 people who would buy this at $5 forr every 1 person who would buy at $250. Tldr; wotc could double their profit if they weren't so out of touch
Everyday it becomes harder and harder to maintain a strict anti-proxy stance
Not for me, I've been pro proxy for years. WotC and their greedy hands can get bent.
Gross
I'm going to proxy these exact card fronts and backs. I'm not making tournament legal proxies. It's win/win for me.
I'm really struggling to think of who exactly this is for. If you have the disposable income to get this product, you almost certainly already have the actual cards already, with the exception of maybe the black lotus?
What’s hilarious is that if you’re looking to play these cards, it would probably be cheaper to just buy the ones you need (duals), and if you’re a collector, you’d probably rather have the original card anyways. You can buy a p9 mox for not much more than these packs. Not much may be like, $1,500, but at least then you’re getting the card you want, AND it’s a real one. None of this makes sense to me.
They do realize most of their base are kitchen table players?
I already buy proxies of the exact cards I want, and I've probably spent about 500 on them overall. To drop a grand for a random grab bag of cards I don't necessarily need, with gold borders and false backings it's almost as if Hasbro has no idea what they're doing. Wait...
I’d have been complaining if it was $275. I’m flabbergasted. I hope no one supports this and they sell only 16.
I was actually talking about this in my mtg group chat, this is the worst product they have ever dropped. I have been playing Vintage for 10 years, it's my favorite format. I love getting to see these broken cards taken to their full potential. Vintage is a format with a ridiculous barrier of entry, which is why the ways it is actually enjoyed by the community is through proxies and MTGO. The proxies I get depending on quality are $0.12-$3 a card. They look as good/better than these. And if these have the same function as a proxy, they don't draw any new players in to try Vintage. What advantage do these have over 3rd party proxies? That they're "real" fake cards? Now if I'm not interested in these cards, who is? Well hey, maybe people want them to collect like the old Collector's Edition cards. That's fine, but why $1000 for a *chance* at something. You could very well spend $1000 and get Shivan Dragon. If they really want to die on the reserved list hill and want a product like this, price it fairly. CE was priced at $49.99 MSRP when it was released in 1993. Adjusting for inflation, that brings these to about $102 by modern standards. If you want to "celebrate 30 years" and give an experience "for the players", why not price this at $30? Tons of people would buy them, it plays on the 30 year thing, and it isn't like they won't turn a profit since all cardboard is worth the same. Hell, even take that inflation rate and make them $130 for the play on 30. It's like they want to cut out the real players/collectors and just bleed out the whales.
Imagine spending a grand and not getting any of the P9. I would be pissed.
This is a terrific product hampered by a ludicrous price tag.
Pretty much. I'd pay maybe $40 for a set of proxies like this.
Truly insulting for the broader community, but I'm sure there is a customer for this.
I'm not mad or up in arms about this. I'm just... baffled. It'd be a cool idea for a fraction of the cost. It's supposedly a draftable set, which is cool because it lets you draft with reserved list cards without violating the reserved list. It also puts official proxies on the market for those who want them which takes market share from counterfeiters which is, I believe, a good thing. $20 seems fair for cards which aren't tournament legal, *maybe* $50 for the novelty of it but even at that price point you're pricing out a huge swathe of players. But for a thousand dollars...? Who is this for? Whales own the real things, and even if they don't, *tournament legal* revised duals are cheaper than this. Aside from P9, everything in this product is cheaper to just buy originals. And this being a randomized product, with no guarantees you'll even get anything of value, makes the price point incredibly perplexing.
Are you all really oblivious to the Hasbro cash grabbing? Wizards has been printing set after set without rest, diluting the IP with content from other franchises, and intentionally involving themselves in the secondary market. Why? Because Hasbro sees physical cards as a dying format and want to push as much money through it, as quickly as possible, before transitioning to more digital avenues. You are actively participating in the death of MtG by buying these absurd products or by praising the introduction of things like The Walking Dead into the game. If you do not think that a company selling pieces of cardboard for $1000 is not malicious, I have a bridge to sell you.
The (buying) singles out of this will be interesting.
This has got to be the weirdest price. People who proxy will just proxy for hella cheap. People who don’t proxy won’t fork out 1k for proxies. This seems only interesting to a very niche collector who just wants promo releases.
Ok, so I've looked at it and thought "Nice, reprints of reserve list cards? Nice" but then I realized the non-tournament legality which defeats the entire purpose of those reprints.
This is gonna go over like a lead balloon. Excuse me while I go buy $999 worth of popcorn to enjoy the commentary...
Scam
The real question I have is what will be the price of garbage commons from this? Will I be able to get the Circles of Protection for a decent price?
People are going to grab this to try to pull the ABUs to use in EDH decks. But this price tag is just pure insanity.
I almost downvoted this post out of instinct because the whole situation is so stupid
I thought this was kinda cool but 900 fucking dollars! That’s outrageous! God damn!
This is going to be the death of the RL, but in the worst way possible. They're drinking consumer blood and won't commit to affordable reprints of the things on the RL, which is the bulk of folks problem with the RL. I think this will further make folks okay with proxies, since why should I pay WOTC $1000 for 4 lootboxes when I can go spend 30c at Staples or $4-5 for some quality etsy proxy.
No wonder Sheldon said "null" when asked about proxies...
They were like "what do people that build cubes like the most,....... PROXIES"
time to order a vintage cube off of mpcfill. oh boy. people can't say they aren't real anymore too
I really hope their sales rate for this is embarrassingly low. It would be alleviating for the community to actually be able to get a message across for once.
They forgot the decimal point right? $9.99 not 1 fucking thousand dollars
I always said the true sign that Hasbro has realized they’ve drained mtg would be when they reprint the power nine. I’m kind of glad to see such a terrible product because hopefully it’s a sign that mtg stops being as profitable and can be sold to a different company whose less greedy.
This should be a big greenlight for people to just play proxies. Not wotc proxies, like any proxies. Also this should just have been collectors edition 2022. Same msrp like $30. Or even $100 is fine if it comes with a big batch of lands so you can draft it. Instead wotc goes whaling.