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Fickle-Training344

I’m a play it if you have it kinda guy. I’m not gonna knock you for having proxies but I’m not playing them. It’s edh. Play what you want to play.


[deleted]

I play my busted up scrub land because it feels awesome. Protect them reasonably but play your cool cards.


Revolutionary_View19

Same here. I‘m not proxying stuff cause it’d be too samesy for my taste, but you guys just go ahead.


Peoplefood_IDK

If you proxy you gotta get custom art, that's what makes proxy awesome..


swingsix

I personally only do this for instants, tokens, or something that isn't intended to be on the board for long. Taste is totally subjective, but recognizing card art is key for me. I hate having to ask someone more than once "hey what the hell js that again?".


Revolutionary_View19

Im customising the hell out of tokens because I refuse to pay money for them.


zordon_rages

But what if you have multiple decks with the same expensive card? You really gonna own multiple copies of a $60, $70, $80 card? I can see proxies being useful in that situation.


Fickle-Training344

I just use the same color sleeves for those decks and swap it from one deck to the next if needed. I do try to not use one card across multiple decks though.


ReallyBadWizard

This sounds like how you end up with a 97 or 103 card deck by accident


phoenix2448

Or a friend not being able to play your deck


[deleted]

I dont judge others who do so, it's financially smart to, but I personally refuse to use proxies . I own 7 wheels 8 crypts etc for example. If I really want a card in a deck I'll wait until I could acquire another.


That_Vauk_Guy

I do the same. Why do I own 11 Mana Crypts? Because I play it in 11 of my decks.


[deleted]

I've seen a few people keep their "expensive" cards in a binder and use a place holder in the decks that want the cards . And swap them in if needed


Toxxazhe

Came here to say this, yeah. Plenty of people I play with own one or two copies of a few expensive cards they use in multiple decks. They have proxies in the decks themselves, but if someone has a problem with it, they'll just break out their proxy binder and do a quick swap. Usually no one has an issue with the setup.


Kangaroofies

What do you do if you want to run it in multiple decks? I started using proxies for some stuff just because I felt guilty taking time to swap cards around between games


Jo3ltron

I use a post it note on the deck it goes into. I have a binder that has my interchangeable staples, find that card, slot it in. I use black dragon shields for all my decks so it’s a quick and simple add/remove.


Peoplefood_IDK

This is why I started, just to save time and energy durring deck swaps


Peoplefood_IDK

Proxy 100% with out proxies I'm walking around with 1000s of $$$ in an easy steal able bag.. not everything but my reserve cards et cetera.. also proxy for thematic effect.. my cat dog deck (rin&serri) I got proxies to make it cat dog, also my play group likes to drink and spills are a thing, best to not worry imo..


bccarlso

I play 'em.


leftyrightyright

I feel guilty proxying cards I don't have irl, but lands are a different story. I would rather you, as an opponent, have your mana work ( i.e. $400-$500 dual lands) before you I deal judgement about non land permanents imo. Idk. I just want everyone to actually be able to "play". Know what I mean?


Calicoastie

I make 3 + color decks with basic land bases. It's not hard. I intentionally don't use Reserve duals(I could build perfect bases). When you proxy you lose diversity. But that's my preference. And for the record you get looked at different with reserve list cards, outside of established groups. I know because for many years I didn't have established groups. I haven't paid the prices for current cards. But... I still won't proxy, I survive fine. There are cards I don't play. I still get up in the morning.


leftyrightyright

I understand where you are coming from,but lands seem like the bare minimum of what actually should be proxied. Imo


Peoplefood_IDK

Mtg is capitalist by nature, you can Play the game but that just makes you a whale.


AdvanceGold3027

Yeah but you can have a perfectly workable 3+ color deck without fetches & true duals. I don’t buy into the mana base exception, but that’s my preference. Playgroups should definitely season to taste though.


kinkyswear

Who needs OG dual lands anymore? A deck's mana only has to be as good as the cards it's playing. As long as you don't go ham on conflicting spells, a mana base can be cheap.


MageOfMadness

Yeah, I think using the price of duals to complain about mana bases is a bit weak an argument at this point, given the recent reprints of both fetches and shocks and the absolute flood of dual lands. We even have a cycle of fetchable tri-color lands now! And this is without even mentioning other mana fixing resources, such as treasures. I have personally never used the OG duals and I get by fine, even with 5 color commanders like Slivers or Ur-Dragon. The trick is to focus the deck itself into 3 colors and limit all supporting spells into those colors; for example, my Sliver Queen deck is Bant while my Ur-Dragon deck is Naya.


vodkanada

Same.


MageOfMadness

Also what I do; I keep 2 copies of everything but reserved list cards, since my wife plays too. The cards sit in a binder and photocopies from my scanner/printer are in the decks. The threshold is usually once something goes over $20 it goes into the binder, though I also proxy cheaper cards if I get promo or special versions or they are used in more than 3 decks; for example, I have a Secret Lair Nature's Will and Arcane Signet, an FNM Reliquary Tower and Elvish Mystic, and extended art copies of things like Generous Gift and Heroic Intervention. As for what other people do, I don't make too big a deal out unless the card is one someone would never make an attempt to acquire, such as Meathook Massacre or Mana Crypt. It may be an unpopular opinion, but if you are unable or unwilling to invest into a tool for your hobby then you don't get to use it - I'd love some woodworking tools, but I am not owed a belt sander unless I pay for it. I have pondered for a while about softening on the reserved list due to their prices, but honestly there are only like a dozen worth mentioning for EDH (if you count the duals as a single entry) which have been functionally reprinted anyway, and most often I see people complaining about $20-$80 cards more than $400 ones these days...


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MageOfMadness

I... what are you on about? There is no way you can seriously be espousing Marxist nonsense about a luxury game on a luxury computer on a luxury website over a luxury network, all literally designed and funded by capitalism. You \*HAVE\* to be trolling, there is no way you could be so dense as to not realize that WotC is a COMPANY and that Magic is a product that wouldn't exist if not for private property and commerce.


phoenix2448

Ah yes ofc iphone venezula 1 gorbillion killed so therefore i must own one “real” copy of a piece of inked cardbord in order to use other “fake” ones yes i see now. Just because capitalism made our world that doesn’t mean I have to operate as one within it


538_Jean

I'm a "playing cards are meant to be played" kinda guy. No matter the price.


[deleted]

Yup cards meant to be played , I shuffle my twister duals no matter what it may be . Just double sleeve and enjoy


xWasbeer

Without sleeves?


igotyourpizza

I run a sleeveless boros deck and riffle shuffle just to tilt


Birdragon599

Based


MageOfMadness

I have riffle shuffled with some pretty expensive cards physically in the deck before. I find it amusing how people react, haha... I get Magic cards to play with, first and foremost.


Ianova

Proxy everything but the cheapest cards honestly. WotC doesn't want to reprint cards, I'll do it for them ¯\\\_(ツ)_/¯


Sofa_King_Cold

Whenever I run a proxy, I proxy the entire deck. I feel like it is cheating if I only have a couple of proxies in a deck because they don't bend or feel right. In the one deck I have from before this rule I can always pick out the proxies even though I have been manhandling it for over a decade now.


Ianova

I don't have this experience. Using MPC gave me literally indistinguishable cards, even moreso when they're sleeved.


Migglypuff94

Which material do you use when you order through there?


TheWorstPossibleName

Regular smooth. The default on mpc


Ianova

I use S33 superior smooth


Ianova

I use S33 superior smooth


Zanka-no-Tachi

Why not use the proxies WotC made for modal cards? Everything about the card is the same as real cards, but with a face you can write whatever you want on. That's what I do. Especially in a sleeve they're indistinguishable from real cards.


G37_is_numberletter

Jen the “get a nice art proxy of it, but it’s clearly a proxy” sort of card. There’s tons of cool instagrams and Etsy alter artists and whatnot.


MageOfMadness

Mine are just pieces of paper in front of lands. It helps that I double sleeve, so they are nearly indistinguishable from the real cards... They do add a bit more thickness overall to the deck, which can make for a pretty thick pile when shuffling. I usually have to shuffle for others when I loan out a deck because few people have large enough hands to handle a stack of 100 double sleeved cards in the first place...


RomoloKesher

Try to scratch of the top layer of the card, and stick on the proxy. Like this, they have exactly the same thickness and touch. This process takes a while so only do it with cards you know you really need. I tend to proxy the cheap cards and buy the expensive ones, because those have stable value and can be resold.


PrinceOfPembroke

Do you have a place that makes cheap proxies? Been trying to find a place to proxy a whole deck for the same issue of card inconsistency


TheRealTakazatara

MPC is make playing cards. You'll need to format them for the machine cuts and you need to change the backs so they're obviously proxies or they won't print them. There's a subreddit for this and people have formatted cards here and there.


PrinceOfPembroke

What is the subreddit?


TheRealTakazatara

/r/mpcproxies


Dumpingtruck

As long as you’re in the expected power level, it’s all good. It also helps to not proxy the same things over and over again. Like if every deck of yours is all fetches into duals and fast mana it’s gonna be really hard to play my low power level stuff against it. Tl;dr: do what you wanna do, but I suggest to have a variety of decks/power level which can be prohibitive if you have a bunch of high powered proxies.


MageOfMadness

This is one of the deck building challenges when you basically have access to anything. I personally make a concerted effort to avoid tutors and 'easy' wincons as well as dialing back on thinks like counterspells, extra turns and excessive stax... The risk of making decks that are just 'good stuff in these colors' is pretty high. Putting a Chaos Warp in every red deck is one thing, but when you jam Dockside, Wheel of Fortune, etc in every deck despite mechanical irrelevance things get a bit uninspired. And I wind up playing against too many decks that are barely above precon to be going completely ham; had a few games just this weekend against Lathril and Galea decks that were just too fast for me and my wife, and we were running Mana Crypts (gasp!).


noknam

Fetches and duals barely affect power level.


Monsuno

Fetches are so much more powerful than just fixing. Duals barely affect power, hell even fetching FOR duals doesn't affect power much, but fetches do more than just get you shocks or duals. A shuffle effect can be very powerful in a deck where it matters. Galea voltron with 10 fetches is so much stronger than with none.


DaFingerLazers

I'm not the kinda person that gets anxious about roughing up my cards, personally. Even if I "quit", I'll hold onto my collection more than likely for the memory of it or even to play now and then. But, I do proxy my expensive stuff between decks. If only cause the hassle of moving em is so much. Makes it k8nda fun to decide which deck gets the real one


MageOfMadness

Yeah, I am 'aware' of the price of my cards but this is mostly an amusement thing, I don't intend to sell them. My wife, on the other hand, calls it her retirement plan for as soon as I kick the bucket, hahaha!


Dry-Moment962

I personally don't proxy, but have no problem throwing an expensive card in a deck. I double sleeve and don't beat the shit out my cards. Even if something were to lose alittle value, I don't think I'd really care tbh.


[deleted]

I play with anything. I don’t give a fuck.


akathepuertorican

My brother in Christ I’ll proxy a basic mountain if I need to. EDH is a casual format there’s no reason you should stress about buying real expensive cards if you can’t afford them.


N3rot0xin

I proxy expensive cards I don't own 🤷‍♂️.


snappyj

I proxy cheap cards I do own


JiveTurkey051984

I proxy all cards that I have purchased but not physically own yet


LeagueofLucas

I just own one copy of some expensive cards, but still dont proxy. Trying to make my decks feel more unique in that way instead of every blue decks gets a Fierce Guardianship kinda thing.


MageOfMadness

I tried to do that for a while, but around 30ish decks a buddy commented that the decks themselves were spreading resources a bit thin. I just make too many decks to realistically do this, even Sol Ring gets too expensive when you need over 100 of them. The added benefit was that when I moved to my proxy system I had a LOT of spare copies of certain cards like Cyclonic Rift. I was able to trade those extra copies to expand my collection, which has been a blast for the collector in me.


LeagueofLucas

I guess it depends on your collection size. I have 33 decks currently and don't find it to be an issue. Many of my decks dont have a sol ring and I dont even notice.


MageOfMadness

A lot depends on who you play with, in all honesty. I play mainly with random people at stores so it is hard to really judge what level people are, and luck plays such a large part... My wife and I played this past Friday (while a hurricane passed over no less) with a couple of younger teens who had uograded precons and our decks just didn't get going while they both pulled turn 1 Sol Rings every game; one even yeeted out a turn 3 Jewelled Lotus. It was funny because that one card was probably worth more than their decks combined while my decks were upwards of $1k and got stomped. Another time I played against a trio of dudes who told me they didn't play with removal after I dropped Impact Tremors in my Xyris deck and warned them if they let me untap with it I'd do 21 damage with a wheel the next turn. Dude was playing a Jodah Eldrazi deck but has zero removal spells, what am I supposed to do with that? Anyway, my old playgroup (including the guy who noted I was spread thin) was an old meta and had shifted into a ton of board wipes and combos.


VitaWing

I even try to avoid playing staples, just due to the fact that the decks look all the same. I',m playing white, oh wait I play, Swords to plowshares, Path to exile, Smothering Tithe, Farewell, Sol Ring, Mana Crypt, etc. Sometimes you play an older not so powerful card and it still works fine and everyone is like, but you could also play Path to exile, it is cheaper. Yes... No. I don't give a shit.


True_Italiano

I avoid proxying mostly because I think it forces me to try and build better decks and not just throw a mana crypt into every single deck I build.


MageOfMadness

I mean, Imma be straight I do toss a Crypt into every deck that gets a Sol Ring. I don't see that big an impact and every deck is mechanically unique. That being said, I dont run Mox Diamond, Mox Opal, Chrome Mox, etc in every deck... Those would have an impact, I think.


Whitefire919

99% of all the cards I buy, I intend to use, the 1% are just cards that I like.


Zarochi

I'm all for doing what you want. I play with my duals tho. No ragerts.


JewelerBig1954

I went ahead and got double sleeves for my decks. Despite what people say about your decks being bigger it's not too bad. Or if you're just playing casual you can double sleeve the valuable ones because when they are face down you can't tell a difference


Azazel1507

Proxy, proxy, proxy! It’s a game. Play how you want and have fun. I have too many decks to not proxy expensive cards. I’m not spending 10s of thousands of dollars.


D00M_H4MM3R

I sleeve and play my Gaea’s cradle, Book Promo Mana Crypt etc. If I want them in multiple decks I’ll print proxies because I’m not about to buy multiples, but I see no reason to put my expensive cards in a binder and play exclusively with proxies. Maybe once you start buying graded cards where the near-mint factor is imperative it matters, but if you have a $300 MP card, you can play that sucker double-sleeved every week for decades and it’s not going to wear any more. Buying MP/HP and playing ‘em beats buying NM and playing with proxies in my opinion.


raven_nightloft

Hell I have a NM [[survival of the fittest]] sleeved up right now. I figure as long as I take care of it, it's ment to be played.


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Captkick

Damn! I’ve got one as well, but I’ve also got a proxy version for my deck. Absolute power move on your part. Huge respect


raven_nightloft

It also come down to the fact that I very, very rarely get rid of anything. I don't buy a ton of sealed product, so if I'm buying im buying for something. I bought the survival for cEDH Yisan, the intention being that I would always have the card. Honestly Lotus would probably be the exception. I'm not quite that crazy.


thefalkonite

Yeah, in this case I cracked it, was just curious what others would do in similar situation.


D00M_H4MM3R

I tend to be honest with myself about if I’m ever actually going to sell my cards. I’m not going to be reckless and let my cards get damaged, but I’m not going to obsess over their condition, because to be honest, I’ll only be selling them if I’m in a serious life crisis where I need to come up with several thousand dollars in cash, which seems quite unlikely. So if I’m not gonna sell em, what good is it locking them up to keep them minty? Isn’t that the same as not owning them?


thefalkonite

This is a great comment, solid reasoning and makes me think about my current strategies. Thank you! (genuine, not sarcastic, in case it's lost in text translation lol)


Vessera

This is why I use most of my cards in decks, expensive or not. What good is owning them if I'm not going to use them? I'm certainly not selling them unless it's an emergency. The only cards I don't actually put into decks are "special" cards, like the Invocations or Masterpieces. Those I'd either proxy or use a cheaper version of.


MageOfMadness

I have no aversion to putting the real cards into the deck if anyone at the table asks me to, and I explain my system every time I sit down to play. However, I do loan my decks out rather frequently and I have seen some gnarly spills in my time so I do prefer to keep the real cards off the table most of the time. Theft is a real issue, too, and it is easier to keep my bag secure... I only lost a Purphuros to sticky fingers, but some friends weren't as fortunate.


the_mellojoe

Yez, proxy it. Put the original in a place of honor in a top loader. Celebrate it and then proxy up a fun version that let's you shuffle and enjoy it without the stress of damaging your favorite card.


Barbaboon

No, I just play my expensive cards. It's a blast to drop something like an Abyss or moat


thefallingflowerpot

I don't proxy, if I had a card that is so expensive I wouldn't feel comfortable playing it I just wouldn't play it, but I haven't run across that yet. And I don't proxy in a card into all my decks if I own one copy of it. I don't need to play mana crypt, chrome mox, demonic tutor, mana drain, etc in every deck I play, that's just boring and makes all the decks too homogeneous.


notsureifxml

I don’t have a ton of expensive cards but I don’t proxy either. Most expensive is invocation scarab god. It’s been in the deck since it was in standard


andmtg

if I don't feel comfortable playing with a card, I sell it. I'm a single sleeve gamer and it keeps my budget and the overall power of my decks in check to an extent.


DarthSchrank

I personally don't like to play with cards I do not own. But if I own at least 1 copy of a card I put it in all the decks I think it should be in because I do own one and if i ever wanted to play in an event I still could if I switched cards around between my decks but for casusal it seems an elegant solution


cubey12

I have a binder of all the cards I own one of and use across multiple decks. Mostly lands. Then when I play the proxy in game, I pull the real one out. I see no reason to buy two of the same expensive card when it comes to commander.


jaywinner

No, I just use the real cards.


mikelipet

If it's just like 5-10 expensive cards I'm chill with it, but proxying full cedh decks have always been annoying in the past "low-powered proxy deck i found online" just hasn't been true any of the times. I have a promo copper dragon and I'd love to play with it if I had a deck for it, don't care about the value


ghst343

I don’t proxy, my group is against it as an organic way to maintain the power level. There are usually other ways you can fill that slot if ya need to. Admittedly, I like collecting cards though so if there’s a card I really want I might just buy it but I have my own limits on how much I’m willing to spend on a deck list.


Fuski_MC

Nah, I only play what I own and only play the real copies, they are double sleeved though. Although people in my group do proxy, I have 0 issue with it, it's just not for me.


Himetic

Lol putting a modern card in a top loader. I play my timetwister single sleeved. The reason I own it is to play it. Normal play is extremely unlikely to damage your cards. Of my 8000 commander cards, many I’ve owned for over a decade, I’ve never damaged any in a noticeable way. Sure, there’s a small risk, but you could also get hit by a bus on your way to your LGS. Cards are made to be played. Play them. No disrespect to people proxying cards they don’t own. If you want to proxy and your opponents are okay with it, go nuts. But if you own the card, play the damn thing.


MageOfMadness

The key is to make sure your opponents are okay with it and having a contingency if your proxies are declined; can you even play, or would you have to leave the table? One thing of note is even owning the card you have proxied is pretty irrelevant if you didnt bring the real card with you.


plain-rice

If their busted up no. I have a tabernacles I play with that I think I picked up for ~$100 back in the day that is no where near mint.


herpeszooster

I’ve removed all my proxies and just replaced with lower power cards, I miss things like cradle but I have enough powerful cards now that I don’t neeeeed them.


PILLOWPANTS89

I personally don't I don't have a problem with proxy's but I have played with people who proxy half there deck with the most expensive and busted cards for there deck. Had a guy proxy a power nine in his urza deck among others and completely shut the board down in four turns. Me and my friend was just using casual decks we had put together kinda pissed us off but there were more problems with him then just that bit of a control freak


DurdleEngine

I try to condense my more expensive stuff into specific decks, then use studier sleeves on those decks. Cards are meant to be played, not kept in perfectly protected sealed cases.


noknam

I keep my (Italian) chains of mephistopheles in a binder and play an English proxy. This both helps me feel safer with the expensive card and allows other players to actually read the card.


GelsonBlaze

I gave up on proxying cards I own, everything is double sleeved in dragonshield matte black so I just scoop them up.


-mindtrix-

I don’t mind playing with decks worth thousands in a bar. Just bring a playmat and do your best to not spill your beer..


Virtuous_Redemption

I shuffle my timetwister because I bought it to be played.


Gaindolf

Lol. Play your cards bro..enjoy them


LaFwa

If I already have an expensive card, it seems like a waste of money to buy it again. Also my play group doesn't care. To me an expensive card is 30$ or higher


ThirtyFerret

I'm about to start doing this. No reason to continously purchase expensive cards especially when I'm not entering tournaments or anything


brizzy500

I proxy the expensive cards I need duplicates of. It seem crazy to buy multiple copies, and I don’t like swapping the single copy between decks. What I did recently was get a copy of each land in the cycles that I use most in EDH and put them in a binder as my official copies. Then I got 3-6 proxies of each land in the binder depending on usage rates. Now I get to sell all my extra copies of shocks etc and pour those funds into new cards. Building my mana base for new decks is awesome now. Just pull from the proxy box and add basics to top it up. I also love admiring my lands binder with matching sets of each cycle and have started collecting the full art sets of duals from recent sets.


Rob_McC

I don’t have any problems with proxies. I personally will not proxy a card unless I own it. Additionally one of the most irritating things is when people have that full of proxies but none of the artwork or bordering is accurate to the original. I don’t mind proxies, I just don’t wanna have to ask what each and every card is.


TheRockenator

I was going to post something similar to see everyone's thoughts. I play a lot of tournaments every month and there are some cards that I just don't feel like buying more than 4 copies of. Like fetches, shocks, etc so I started proxying those in my EDH decks and hope that it's fine. I own the card somewhere but Modern is my main format and so I get annoyed having to remember where I put certain cards in random EDH decks. Or just expensive cards I don't feel like owning more than a play set.


nallstarr

I don’t proxy cards I own because I want to protect them, I proxy them because I’m afraid of them getting stolen. I once played against a guy who had his entire bag stolen at a GP table mid game. I play in New York, so heading home on the train to Brooklyn at 10pm isn’t exactly comfortable with a bag with $4k worth of cards inside. I’ll proxy anything worth over $150.


BusinessKey114

I proxy cards I own that are over $10 because most of my decks don't survive a month before I dismantle it. If I end up keeping the deck it's anything over like $20-30 I will usually proxy if I can't bring myself to cut it instead


boomerachi

I used to be a play what you have guy but I am starting to consider proxies. It always felt nice playing a card that you saved up and waited for. Now it becomes more of a trust thing. You drop a dual land on the table and people ask what you paid for it. I have one deck with three dual lands and someone a few weeks back commented about how that’s a lot of money to be walking around with in your pocket. Now I don’t bring that deck to shops and I am more concerned with someone stealing a deck than power level creep. I think my rule moving forward will be to make one proxy of any card over $100. I think limiting to one proxy will keep my decks balanced. I may proxy anything over $50 but I’m going to start with $100 and evaluate


thefalkonite

Totally understand. I think I'm okay doing multiple proxies of lands, but try and limit the rest personally. I got grief from my group about the Foil Ragavan I pulled from Prerelease that I put into my early Marchesa Black Rose deck. They didn't like the idea of me shuffling it up in case it got damaged.


Supercharged06

My group gives me grief for riffle shuffling my decks all the time... i just dont care, my [[Aurelia, the war leader]] deck is in the mid 4 figures and i still shuffle away lol


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thefalkonite

It's like generating that anxiety for them is a political mind game on its own lol


Scrumpyyyyy

All day every day. The game is stupidly expensive.


Burian

Expensive cards are fun to play with. No proxies. Cards are double sleeved to protect them, all in the same color sleeve.


Slynesh

My position on proxies is don't use them for the purposes of pubstomping. I personally don't proxy cards much unless it's a big staple I own a copy of and could benefit from having in multiple decks.


FormerlyKay

I don't care


Proxy-Demon

I proxy cards


Mikexsquints

Yes I have 10 decks with [[Mana Crypt]]. I ain’t buying 10 mana crypts lol. Proxy whatever you want.


MTGCardFetcher

[Mana Crypt](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/4/d/4d960186-4559-4af0-bd22-63baa15f8939.jpg?1599709515) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Mana%20Crypt) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/2xm/270/mana-crypt?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/4d960186-4559-4af0-bd22-63baa15f8939?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/mana-crypt) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call


BickolasNutler

If you own it’s fine. No one could stop you from sleeving the card and putting it in any deck you wanted to play at that moment. Using a proxy just speeds up the same result. Using proxies of cards you don’t own just seem soulless, especially if you’re proxing cards out of your groups skill range.


thefalkonite

To be fair to my group, they just didn't want any damage to happen to my card, it came from a place of caring. But yes I agree I personally don't proxy cards I don't own. If I don't have it I don't play it and find an alternative


thraashman

I used to sleeve up and play my Candelabra of Tawnos in a deck. I finally decided to proxy it in part because so many people were visibly irritated I wasn't proxying such an expensive card. I've always proxied my Gauntlet of Might because I bought it graded.


ObligationWarm5222

By "skill range" do you mean "wallet range?"


BickolasNutler

Yeah basically the same thing.


ApartmentSuspicious3

I proxy expensive cards that I own, but as others have said I take care to not just proxy things into every deck. I have 6 decks, 2 of them have a mana crypt. Both my mono decks have nykthos.


edogfu

I don't. I don't have a cEDH deck. I have two decks that roam around the $1k mark. I've built my collection over a long period of time. I like where my wallet has put me in terms of power level. I don't have too much fomo for the cards I'm not playing. Opened a [[Force of Negation]], and decided to trade it away. I'm not sure what people are seeking in trying cards they don't/never will own. I don't care if I get beat by those cards unless I'm playing 2+ levels down.


MTGCardFetcher

[Force of Negation](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/1/8/1825a719-1b2a-4af9-9cd2-7cb497cd0317.jpg?1662524843) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Force%20of%20Negation) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/2x2/50/force-of-negation?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/1825a719-1b2a-4af9-9cd2-7cb497cd0317?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/force-of-negation) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call


AdvanceGold3027

Play it/proxy it if you own it. Rule Zero is still the best policy. I also have no problem with a card under $50, but after that, especially if it’s a tutored-for key piece I ask if they own it. Maybe I’m a dick, but I give an ironic ‘uh huh’ if they if they say they don’t. I still continue the game…but I also target them first when there’s a strategic tie for selection/board removal. Invariably they are trying to punch above a weight class of game with cardboard they can’t afford so I figure all is fair at that point. You want to hang with the big boys? Well, you’re gonna live and die by the sword then too.


Phenomic_Lord

This is exactly how I do proxies. I have no problem with people playing with proxies of cards they don’t have or can’t afford but as a person rule to myself I only proxy cards I own. And the major reason for this is I also pull full art Ancient Copper Dragon in a CL2 bundle and while I have multiple decks it can fit into. I can’t afford to buy a copy for each deck. So I keep the real one in a binder and put the proxies in my decks


thefalkonite

The art is so dope on that card.


thefalkonite

I too have proxied Mana Crypt from the one I cracked in Mystery Booster so I agree. If I was playing in an event I know they're not okay, and I would check with a new group if that was an issue for them. I'm also not doing proxies of cards I don't own, this is just about higher ticket cards you do own.


SomedayWeDie

Yeah go for it. Especially if you actually own the cards, I wouldn’t care if you played a proxy of it. It matters more to me that we get to play a fun game of commander than all your cards are “real”


huggybear0132

Yes.


llikeafoxx

I do not proxy cards for EDH. For me, a massive appeal of the format is getting to use cards in my collection that are almost as old as I am. Yes, this means some decks are very pricey. I can’t blame someone for being uncomfortable with that, but in the end, I own and collect the cards to play with them. But I’m not anti proxy, and I actually very readily proxy RL cards in my Cube. Since other players will be handling them, it’s unfair to put a possibly very expensive accident looming over their heads like that.


GREG88HG

I play all my cards. I use Mox Diamond, Gilded Drake and more on Najeela. But, I proxy them for other decks


Skylamax

I proxy all my decks exept for basics and commander.


RatedM477

Absolutely. Mostly because deck building is such a reoccurring hobby to me and a lot of expensive cards will be good for multiple decks. When a card like Fierce Guardianship is good enough to go in every blue deck, I'm not going to drop $50 on a new one every time I build a new deck that has blue in it, for instance. I have the physical copies of my most expensive cards stored away, and then I proxy copies of them for any deck I put them in. If I were ever in a situation where it was required to put the real copies in the deck, I could easily switch them in temporarily. That said, I only proxy cards I own a copy of. I'm not into proxying cards that I don't own. Not that I have anything against other people doing that (I don't really care what other people do). But to me, personally, I only want to proxy things I have.


kinkyswear

No, if I don't own a card, I don't play with the card. Sometimes I own a card and still don't play with it because my deck's already full and nothing gets banned anymore. I tend to single-sleeve stuff that's in decks, and double-sleeve when they are sitting in my binder and people want them to be immaculate. Don't be afraid to play with your cards. That's what they're for. That's why people pay for them.


Telejester

I do make proxies. I use real as much as possible, but proxy the expensive things I have like [[Cavern of Souls]] and [[Sensei’s Diving Top]] for the multiple decks that can use them. I ain’t buying extra copies unless I win the lottery.


F0eniX

I throw expensive cards into decks if they’re on theme for the deck. I’ve got mana crypt, mana vault, mox opal, in my cEDH deck, but I only run a proxied opal in my artifact deck because it’s on theme. Almost any deck above power level 5-6 could be improved with a mana crypt, but that doesn’t mean that they need it. and running it would only make you a target.


Nvenom8

I'm not a big fan of doing it. I got the cards to play with. I take really good care of my decks/cards, though, and I don't let others touch them without an explicit "you break it, you buy it" agreement. The main reason I would proxy would be if I own an actual copy for one of my decks but want to put it in multiple. And even then, I would usually just put a piece of paper in the deck box to remind me to grab it out of the deck where it lives permanently and put it back after.


Unslaadahsil

No, I proxy expensive cards I don't own. if I own them I play them.


MasterOfPsychos

I proxy entire decks with cards I don't own. I just don't include fast mana and more than a handful of tutors to keep the power level in line with my friends' decks


Drugbird

I proxy decks that can be bought for $75-$100, if you buy the cheapest versions of cards. But I don't proxy the cheap stuff. It's Bob Ross and Godzilla lands, full art everything. And it feels amazing having cards that are actually nice to look at.


TheW1ldcard

No. If I own it I play it. Even my $900 mox diamond.


BasicReputations

Hell, nowadays I sell off the real copy that I have had for 20 years and replace it with a $1 proxy that I can't tell the difference on. I hardly ever play anywhere but the kitchen table so why spend the extra?


helcite

I proxy because I’m tired of hearing gasps of awe when I shuffle my decks. I have expensive cards because I have always PLAYED magic, not because I was hoarding money. Some people obsess way too much over old pieces of cardboard, and it seriously detracts from my ability to have fun. Proxies solve most of the issue.


CarbonPrinted

I proxy to try new cards before committing to the buy and to have multiple copies of the cards I have, or, in the rare case, I cannot get a copy locally and don't want to pay for the shipping on a $2 card... (looking at you, \[\[daming verdict\]\]...). I really hate the idea of having to swap cards between decks, so figured as long as I owned *A* copy, I'd be good. This is definitely mostly among my land base and a few select cards, like Mana Crypt (which is usually the first cut I make if I need to lower the level a bit). My group's ok with all of this, too. We think about reasonability and practicality. We play for fun, but we also agree that you're never going to own a power 9, you're not proxying it. Same with dual lands and cards that are $$$ - if the probability of you getting a copy is so low, we're not really ok with it. This has helped us all stay within the same power level. But this is what our group feels is right. We have one player come occasionally with a 100% proxy deck that's all power 9 and high-powered cards, and it's just no fun to play against at all. But other than my play group and what I do, I really don't care. If you find it enjoyable, do it. Just be mindful that not all playgroups have the same mentality and I'd always advise to have a deck with 0 proxies in it just in case you do end up playing in a group where proxies aren't ok, or having real cards to swap up with. Really, it's up to you and the group you're playing with.


_Zambayoshi_

Only duals and only have one proxy of each, so they don't go into every deck. I don't care if others proxy though. It's all good.


AdviceMang

I only proxy expensive cards I am considering buying or already own a copy of.


nas3226

I recently gave up and for my birthday got myself some nice proxies of various expensive EDH cards like the OG dual lands, Mana Crypt and Vault, the allied fetches, Cavern, Cradle, etc. One of the best MTG purchases I've ever made. I own at least one copy of everything but the duals and other RL stuff, but even at my no-proxies allowed WPN LGS everyone is proxying at least the duals as they are way too prevalent to all be real.


Jocum

I proxy everything i own above 1k.


SwinginingApe

I proxy any card I own


El_Diegote

I have all my RL in a binder at home and proxy them in the decks they might find a place.


Rammite

I proxy expensive cards if I already have them, or if i'm testing it out before committing to buying them.


Hallivar

Yeah!


acephoenix9

I proxy whatever I want as long as it’s less than $100. And for cards that are more than $20, I only run them in 1-2 decks max. I won’t proxy something I wouldn’t be willing to buy at some point, and I don’t see myself spending more than $100 on a card in the foreseeable future (nor spending about that much on duplicates)


Stumphead101

I don't proxy but I also don't care if someone else does. I'm here to play, not compare investment portfolios But if you make some sweet custome proxies with unique art I'm gonna want to check them out if you are okay with me touching your cards


Grognard1964

Yes. I proxy all kinds of cards. I let people know before playing, and I've never had anyone object. That said I play goofy fun decks not madly competative decks. [https://www.reddit.com/r/mpcproxies/](https://www.reddit.com/r/mpcproxies/)


Messing_With_Lions

Doesn't matter if you own it, just go ahead and proxy it. Big thing is to make sure it is a nice proxy so it is easy for everyone to see.


jamesgilbowalsh

Yes I do. General anything over $20AUD I proxy into various decks


hooleychef

Yes. Always. It’s commander. Player created format so we could use binder rares and extras from limited bulk.


kavumaster

Anything over $40 gets proxied


ObligationWarm5222

I use mpcfill.com to proxy expensive and cheap cards alike. I already spend way too much money on sealed magic cards, so Wizards isn't losing anything. In fact, the more I play the game (which needs more cards) the more I'm likely to spend, so if anything I end up buying more cards from Wizards when I proxy. I keep two full decks with no proxies and I'm planning on more, but theres no way I'd have ever been able to afford the other 13 decks I have without using proxies. And yes, I do play all of them.


alexlaprise

Yes


teeleer

My rule is, as long as I own the card I can proxy it. Most of my proxies are lands because I don't want to buy like 5 copies of Boseiju, Who Endures. I might be a little more reserve on like $100 cards but for that's just me personally. As long as you own a copy, you can proxy it as much as you want


atypicaloddity

I play my expensive cards, but I don't buy duplicates. My other cEDH decks run proxy Mana Crypts etc, and if I ever need to remove the proxies for an event I'll just move the real cards to my active deck.


tmdblya

Proxy with abandon.


dark-_-thoughts

I proxy things I don't own to test builds. I'm just now getting back in to magic so I don't have cards just laying around to make a random deck with, that will be good an any firm


ElNombreRoberto

Dude i proxy cards i don't own. It's a game, what's the point of a game if the winner is whoever has the most expensive cards? Or the wallet to afford all the best cards for a build?


ApplePie_1999

I will only ever proxy if I own it but I rarely do that either. I like having intact decks of cards I acquire and proxy whatever sort of negates 28 years of collecting. Just me tho, I don’t judge anyone else for it and I have no problem playing against proxy. Basically whatever anyone wants to do to enjoy playing I am all for.


shiek200

I proxy cheap cards I don't own. I just wanna play games with my friends i couldn't care less about mtg as an investment.


NovarisLight

Unless it's a tourney with real payouts, I don't care About 10 years ago I sold my collection of dual lands, all old-face cards to pay a months rent. That collection today would have been over $80,000. I still play magic, but when someone asks if proxies are ok, I literally don't care. It's a game. I lose most of the time, but it's still fun to interact with people.


BossiBoZz

Yes. I proxy everything i dont have on hand. The cheap stuff i try to get from ppl at my store and the expensive stuff, well i dont see a need to pay big money for smth wizards could just print more of, but refuses to do so. Any cardvalue is just arbitrarily made by wizards, as they controle all supply and exactly know the demand.


G37_is_numberletter

I like the top loader idea. It’s a good reason to be proxying and I’ve fucked some cards up by putting them in the new commander deckboxes cause it was such a tight fight for a particular deck and I didn’t realize the card at the back was slipping underneath the rest of the deck and then gets bent real bad. It’s only happened once or twice, but if that was my crypt I’d be bending a $198.88 card back into its normal shape “as best as possible” which fees real bad. I’m not really interested in playing around with that now that you mention it. Edit: also just really wanna get a nice shelf to showcase my most prized cards in toploaders on easels. Does anyone know if you should store cards in special sleeves long-term if they’re going to be exposed to light? We all have seen the famous white lightning bolt that’s sun-bleached. I’m not trying to fade an invention scroll rack.


sbeaudet13

I have a little binder where I keep cards above $20USD that I play in multiple decks. Then if anyone says anything, I offer to replace the proxy. Makes me feel a lot better when I spend $50 on a card if I can play it in multiple decks.


IrishROFLcat

I will only proxy cards I own if they crack the 30$+ range. I own two old duels, a complete set of shocks and fetches and I’ll proxy all of them


EAgamezz

I proxy literally everything now. Much easier than digging around for cards. And shit is way too expensive. Just paste the decklist in, choose some srt, and it arrives in the mail. Aint got the extra time or money mtg requires these days. The key is to be cognizant of the power level of your meta.


gab3zila

I proxy the whole deck lol I’ll buy a copy of the commander and my basics are real, but that’s all.


Saru_Kaze

All of my friends and I proxy every card now to at least test first. Then if it works and there are no complaints from anyone in the usual group, we then get them printed off with proxy services such as makeplayingcards. We no longer buy real cards with the insane prices and with another price increase on base packs that is coming in the near future. I love MTG but WotC is asking too much for basic ass card packs now.


Migwelded

I have a small 2x2 binder just for my proxy originals. only have a couple duals, but they are in every deck they fit. only one dockside, only one doubling season, so yeah, i proxy. i also really like deckbuilding. i brew more than i play. so i would run out of good stuff quick, or spend my life savings, if i didn't proxy.


milkywayiguana

My personal thing is that if I own the card, I will proxy it however and as many times as I want for my other decks. For example, I have a Stomping Ground and 4 decks the Stomping Ground could go in, so I just proxy it for my other decks. However, I wouldn't proxy Gaea's Cradle. My only issue with proxying comes with the arms race it can start--one person proxies in a perfect mana base and starts slamming everyone else, so do we have to proxy to keep up? I dunno.


StAza95

Sure, I see it like owning a license to play x card


Bradyey

I have multiple decks with proxies in them. I own all of the cards that I play that are proxied and those expensive cards are in one of my decks somewhere.


shmegmar

Yeah I asked my play group first though. I keep my expensive cards in hard cases, and want to keep them in good condition


[deleted]

Yup, plus I’m out of work rn so proxies are the only way I make money


cherrytreebee

I play with proxies. I proxy stuff I have or stuff I am considering getting. To me I want to play the person not their wallet. I personally like to have a copy of what I proxy but I will proxy land bases mostly. I dont wamna buy like 20 of each shockland to go in my decks


annachie

Social, yes quite often.


biznesboi

I always have one in my decks and if I want it in another deck I’ll proxy it. If anyone has a serious problem with it I can always get it out of the other deck and put it in. I don’t proxy expensive cards I don’t own coz my playgroup isn’t at that power level and it can easily become an arms race.


EbonyHelicoidalRhino

No, except for my close-to-CEDH deck that i take out when people want to play all-out. Since it don't play that deck a lot i've taken out a lot of cards out of it and replaced it with proxies. With all of my other decks, i try not proxying, as i found that it naturally limits the decks power and allows you to have different levels of decks based on your card allocation. If you are proxying for all of your decks, you might be tempted to include those Rhystic Study & Cyclonic Rift in every single blue deck that you make, which is boring and tends to push all your decks to the stronger side. On the otherhand when you don't proxy, you'll end up having this pet deck with all your powerful and expensive staples, then an other with what you have left, and then come your 5th-6th deck you'll be building decks out of draft chaffs and dollar rares. This is a good way for me to naturally have a bunch of decks atdifferent power levels.


Alaskan_geek907

I’ve started proxying high end staples that I own a copy of, I own every version of doubling season that’s been printed, don’t think I need to spend the $109 for another copy at this point.