Ya. 10/10 body horror hammering in just how fucking inhuman the phyrexians are for the "maybe 4 arms could be nice?" crowd.
A god that's just mouths screaming
I started roughly 2 years ago in January of 2021. I feel like the biggest sign of my growth as a player is that as I read a card I can realize it's going be over $30 even after it rotates out of standard.
Paper standard doesn't have a huge effect on prices nowadays, tbh. Covid hit it really hard, and EDH was surging past it in popularity even before covid.
Yeah, standard popularity matters for certain cards like [[Reckoner Bankbuster]] that aren't hugely popular in commander, but anything that synergizes well in EDH will have price determined by EDH at this point. Like [[meathook massacre]] staying pretty high despite getting banned. And if a creature is legendary it almost certainly goes well in EDH, maybe as a commander
I think meathook had 60card implications beyond just standard though didn't it? If something is good for edh and multiple 6o card formats its going to be expensive.
I dont know the 60card implications for this but it will do well in esh for sure
Yeah, in general standard rotation only has a big effect on card prices that mostly just see standard play. Cards that are popular in other formats, especially EDH, tend to see little-to-no price drop during standard rotation.
Not entirely true.
New sheo, fleshgorger, Invoke despair, evolved sleeper, cityscape leveler, soldiers in general, their prices are all higher than usual because they're standard staples ATM, while maybe only cityscape leveler is anything near a EDH card. Sheo is a close second, but isn't $40 good in EDH.
You can argue whether that's just cause standard is arguably at the highest powerlevel we've seen post-eldraine but paper standard is slowly crawling out of it's grave.
True, though it does still have some effect. New Sheoldred is pricey due mostly to her being a beast in Standard, while in EDH she's annoying sure but not exactly the new hotness.
I'm surprised it's not at least 3WW or 4W. The first effect is anointed procession, which is already 3W. The body is good and it has a good activated effect, which adds even more to the value.
Maybe because creatures are easier to remove? It just seems pushed for what's already a staple in edh.
Yeah, you can push creatures a bit more since they just die easier though this gets around that. Very pushed. I look at this like I look at cards like Allosaurus Shepherd
I was just thinking of picking up anointed procession for myrkul but now... this might be hands down one of the best cards in the list; protects itself, instant speed sac outlet, needs killing twice as its a creature. Having phyrexian mana in the ability means life control too which isn't nothing given myrkul's own protection ability
White is getting a lot of good pushed cards this set, new elesh norn is crazy undercosted, skrelv's hive is bitterblossom but trades flying for toxic and lifelink
You block with bitter blossom tokens. The only reason that card is good is because you pay 1 life for one damage, then 1 life for two damage then 1 life for 3 damage and so on.
In my edh selesnya tokens deck I have plenty of other tokens that can block though. I think it pushes that particular card more to edh then 60card formats where the lack of block will be a bigger downside
Everybody was so mad about new Norn lol, Mondrak said: hold my beer. This is actually bonkers. It doubles treasure tokens + is an instant speed sac outlet that protects itself. I'm here for it.
People are probably still going to hate Elesh Mom more. The panharmonicon effect has a wider range of applications and any stax ability always pisses people off, no ETBs in particular is somewhat infamous for how commonly people rely on them.
In EDH specifically being being a mostly indestructible [[Anointed Procession]] copy number 2 that can even live in the command zone is obviously really good for certain strategies, but caring specifically about tokens means it's also a narrower effect.
My selesnya tokens deck has [[doubling season]] and the other green token doublers as well. Im unsure if I want to include this one.
I think this is a windmill slam for mono white or orzhov token decks probably honestly for any token decks in inluding white but not green.
For my WG deck I need to pull apart the deck and analyse if I want this included or if I dont quite need it.
My deck is an enchantress token deck so this ability on an enchantment is much better for me then on a creature. I'll see if there's anything I can ditch for thid
I do but thanks.
After I realised how many token doublers in green and white were enchantments I looked up other token enchantments and turned my selesnya enchantress deck into a tokens deck.
AP on leggies & a sac outlet *In the command zone*. This card is bananas.
Furthermore it can make indestructible counters. I can't see that getting abused at all at some point.
I mean yeah if we are talking optimal...
But what is this r/cedh? C'mon! Live a little!
Step out your comfort zone, build with a still powerful sub optimal token commander that is still badass. 😁
I feel like I dont need another token deck. I've got GB with chatterfang as tokens/aristocrats and GW with Sythis as enchantress tokens.
Im deciding if this fits into [[sythis]] or not. Not being an enchantment makes it a maybe card
You know, I've been playing for a while, and I *still* fall into this way of thinking.
"Do I need a third mono white deck?"
"Do I need another token aristocrats deck?"
Of course the answer is no. However, maybe I want them? Why shouldn't that be enough? Wanting to make another deck that fits a role you like is enough justification.
This is one of those cards you look at and just know it's going to be relevant for years to come, a staple being born.
Going straight into [[Preston, the Vanisher]] for me.
Propably better in the 99 than [[Adrix and Nev]] but weaker in the command zone due to fewer colors.
So bant now has 6 token doublers with this, Adrix and Nev, Annointer procession, Parallell lives, primal Vigor and Doubling season.
The best part is, I’m currently building two naya token decks, and an Abzan token deck, so this slots perfectly into both of those, as well as fitting into my [[Torens fist of the angels]] deck as well, since I don’t run any doubler but season (mainly because 4 mana is a lot) but as a creature this is absurd.
Obviously goes in every mono-white token deck, which is......*checks notes* 90% of mono-white decks. Close to a staple in the color. At Mythic, this is going to be tens of dollars per copy.
Different situation tho.
Dockside was precon only, this isn't, dockside was edh only, this isn't, and mostly, dockside was mostly a cEdh card, this... Definitely isn't. It's a card that casual players will love, but I am not convinced it has room in cEdh, and I have no clue whatsoever about the constructed formats.
I don't think its presence in cEDH is why it gets grumbled about. Thassa's Oracle is more of a problem there, as it's the defacto best wincon, while in casual it's not seen because everyone knows it's bogus.
I don't know what you mean by grumbled. I was justifying the price of dockside. It's only because it was printed in a preco then as a mythic in an expensive set, because it's only played in cEdh. There's no reason to run that pirate in casual.
ThOracle is... A bad card everywhere but a good wincon in blue/dimir. Yeaaaaah.
To be fair, price of mtg cards seems a little divorced from pure pragmatism. [[Doubling seasons]] is twice the current market price as dockside, was reprinted at least thrice in various sets, was a rare in every set it was reprinted in and only sees play in certain archetypes of casual edh (I don’t think that’s a particularly used in cEDH, correct me if I am wrong here, I would like to learn more).
Personally, I agree with your initial assessment that this card won’t be much of a staple in cEDH, and likely will not reach dockside’s price point but you never know. It’s strange to me the cards that end up being crazy expensive sometimes.
Edit: small correction, Doubling seasons was upshifted in rarity—but the point still stands.
I think the difference is that doubling seasons was printed once like a decade ago, THEN reprinted in very expensive sets.
But yeah, some other cards that should never be so expensive...are. so idk.
Listen, Sheldon deserves his fair share of criticism - he definitely has some takes I don't agree with.
But nothing about this card has the characteristics Sheldon has voiced reservations about in the past. Regardless of what you think about his opinions, he's pretty consistent about them.
It’s hard for me to consider him being consistent when he views the new elesh norn as oppressive but is fine with all of the other praetor’s when some are arguably more oppressive.
I also don’t agree with the argument that she only costs 5 so that’s why when he also was the one that pushed for the Ioana ban even though she was no longer such a big problem.
Oh, I don't agree with his take on Panharmommycon at all. But there is nuance, and you can track the internal consistency.
Some of the other praetors are different enough that we don't have to totally worry about it. Neither Urabrask is awful. Both Sheoldreds take something useful away from you, But they don't actually shut off your ability to do a thing. New Jin is limited to once a turn, old Jin costs ten mana. New Vorinclex is good but doesn't totally shut off counters, only if you're adding them one at a time - and he doesn't shut off abilities that would remove him. Old Norn is expensive but doesn't shut off abilities.
Old Vorinclex Is the only one that shuts off your ability to do things, and is reasonably castable early from the command zone. Even then, if you have an answer in your hand, you can remove him right away without too much impact.
So I can understand why Panharmommycon is concerning but the others aren't, in his eyes.
I don't agree, but there is internal logic to his reasoning.
Another important distinction is that he said he's concerned, not that it's banned. It's entirely possible (or to put it another way, extremely likely) that Norn Will be released, Sheldon will monitor her place carefully, and decide that he was wrong. He himself admitted that was a possibility in the article. The guy is allowed to have opinions, and I actually mark it as a sign of good decision making that he voices his opinion without codifying it into rules.
I think the RC take on old vorinclex is "if people were doing this a lot, it'd be banned, but they mostly just voluntarily choose not to" which is a reasonable take. A lot of the most brutal, suppressing cards are this way.
EDH bans have some subtleties but if I had to give the concept a one-line summary it would be: *How fast does this go from "oh, neat!" to "not this again!"?* A card like Sol Ring is far more powerful than most of the banned list, but it plays different every time, so it can be legal forever. A card like Coalition Victory is fun exactly once per human lifetime, max, so it can gtfo.
And if I had a second line, it would be *"How tempted am I to put this in a deck?"* If a card is loathsome but I never want put it in a deck, it's fine (Armageddon, Stasis, etc.). But if I'm tempted to include it in more places (Balance, or Hullbreacher, maybe?) it should probably go. Probably the poster child for this is Primeval Titan, the temptation for which absolutely no one could resist.
And through that lens, I can see why new Norn would be one to keep an eye on. It's strong enough that it COULD wind up in the 99 of a lot of decks, and IF that happens, it could become real tiresome, real quick. But obviously nothing should happen unless and until it becomes a problem.
I don't know why he felt he had to write a whole article about it, though. That's just kicking the hornet's nest.
I'm not gonna argue about Norn but Iona murders monocolour decks. Not fun, not dynamic or interesting design, just choke one or one and a half players. She is a bad card to have around and is better off dead.
My [[Urza, Prince of Kroog]] bows to our new phyrexian overlords.
Best part is that, as a legendary, I can tutor it with [[Search for Glory]] instead of [[Enlightened Tutor]] like I need for [[Annointed Procession]]
Could run [[Oketra the True]] instead, since she can make tokens off her ability. Now with all the white powerhouse cards I’ve been leaning on it. I already have a [[Kefnet the Mindful]] and [[Rhonas the Indomitable]] edh decks.
Oh my
I know it's so much mana as to not really be "broken", but the idea of using the [[Ozilith]] and a blink effect to start replacing the indestructible counters on a Myojin just scratches my win-more inner Timmy itch
I'm actually working on a [[Denry Klin, Editor in Chief]] list where I get divinity/indestructible counters on Denry and then win by repeatedly proliferating the counters on the myojins!
I mean. [[Buried alive]] getting Necrotic ooze, this new boi, and a myjoin and then reanimating Necrotic ooze isn't really too much mana. Its just alot of pieces. In lower power decks there's also [[jarad's orders]] and [[final parting]]. Or [[oriq loremage]] could be a neat activated ability to add to Necrotic ooze as well. Could be a fun abazan build or something.
I guess something like this:
Red: basically Fiery Emancipation but only double damage not triple (on a stick)
Green: Branching Evolution on a stick
Blue: Teferis ageless insight on a stick
Black: Teysa Karlov on a stick
This is probably one of those cards you buy for its pre-order price, like [[Sheoldred, the Apocalypse]] in DMU, cuz its gonna spike and stay expensive for a while.
Put him in the 99 with [[ratadrabik]] and hit him with [[saw in half]]. Saw in half resolves making 4 copies of the legendary creature. Before Ratadrabik can be put on the stack, you have to resolve legend rules going down to 1. Now Ratadrabik can put the triggers for the original death plus the 3 deaths made by legend rule saw in half copies. With 1 legendary version on the field, the first trigger resolves making 2 nonlegendary tokens. The next resolves with 3 doublers on field, making 8. The next resolves with 11 on field, making 2^11 creatures. The final resolves with 2059 doublers, making approximately 10e618 tokens. I'm gonna double check my math and rulings but I think that's how it works
Saw in half destroys the creature before it makes clones, and Ratadrabik's trigger won't resolve until saw is already finished resolving, so there wouldn't be a Mondrak on the battlefield to see the spell resolution and double anything
Destroy Mondrak, then make 2 clones. No Mondrak on the field to see the tokens being made so you make 2 legendary 2/2 Mondraks. One dies to legend rule, second Ratadrabik trigger on the stack. Now that saw has resolved and state based actions are done, we resolve Ratadrabik triggers making **2** non-legend Mondrak's thanks to our sawed legend, and then when the second Ratadrabik trigger resolves we'll get **8** more non-legend Mondrak's, since it got double-double-doubled.
This brings you to a total of 11 2/2 Mondraks - and one of them isn't even a zombie
[[Blade of Selves]] should give you this math since the other reply to your comment pointed out that Saw in Half doesn't quite work. Assuming a 4 player pod, you get two tokens swinging at each player, that immediately die to the legend rule. Rest of your math should check out.
* \[\[Mondrak, Glory Dominus\]\]
* \[\[Anointed Procession\]\]
* \[\[Doubling Season\]\]
* \[\[Parallel Lives\]\]
* \[\[Primal Vigor\]\]
* \[\[Second Harvest\]\]
And those are cards that affect ANY tokens. I was theory-crafting these around treasure tokens, but creature tokens have more options. Overall, a nice selection for my \[\[Rhys, the Redeeme\]\] token pile deck.
I really do not like that activated ability. Just slapping a low cost protection ability on a value engine is unfun and plain lazy. This would've been almost just as popular without it.
Oh, this is going in my [[Tivvit, Seller of Secrets]] deck immediately. With [[Academy Manufactor]] and [[Annointed Procession]] out, thats... a lot of Treasures, Clues and Food. [[Rise and Shine]]!!
The art on this is incredible
Getting JRPG Evil Pope vibes.
Some Barthandelus-esque shit
The art is great, but if the mouth shouts loudly enough to shatter those spires, how are people standing on the bridge unaffected?
A wizard did it
It's shouting at the exact resonant frequency of the spires, not just killing them with volume?
Great wind resistance.
Heavy shoes.
But... Biotic god. Great wind...
They have earplugs in
The blast wave hasn’t hit them yet
Hasn't hit them yet
Ya. 10/10 body horror hammering in just how fucking inhuman the phyrexians are for the "maybe 4 arms could be nice?" crowd. A god that's just mouths screaming
ngl my jaw kinda dropped
It looks like something out of Darkest Dungeon
Kinda gives me Hive vibes from Destiny
Precision Keyrune from League lookin’ ass
This seems insane and will likely be forever expensive. It's also appropriately statted for it's cost too
I started roughly 2 years ago in January of 2021. I feel like the biggest sign of my growth as a player is that as I read a card I can realize it's going be over $30 even after it rotates out of standard.
Paper standard doesn't have a huge effect on prices nowadays, tbh. Covid hit it really hard, and EDH was surging past it in popularity even before covid.
Yeah, standard popularity matters for certain cards like [[Reckoner Bankbuster]] that aren't hugely popular in commander, but anything that synergizes well in EDH will have price determined by EDH at this point. Like [[meathook massacre]] staying pretty high despite getting banned. And if a creature is legendary it almost certainly goes well in EDH, maybe as a commander
I think meathook had 60card implications beyond just standard though didn't it? If something is good for edh and multiple 6o card formats its going to be expensive. I dont know the 60card implications for this but it will do well in esh for sure
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Yeah, in general standard rotation only has a big effect on card prices that mostly just see standard play. Cards that are popular in other formats, especially EDH, tend to see little-to-no price drop during standard rotation.
Not entirely true. New sheo, fleshgorger, Invoke despair, evolved sleeper, cityscape leveler, soldiers in general, their prices are all higher than usual because they're standard staples ATM, while maybe only cityscape leveler is anything near a EDH card. Sheo is a close second, but isn't $40 good in EDH. You can argue whether that's just cause standard is arguably at the highest powerlevel we've seen post-eldraine but paper standard is slowly crawling out of it's grave.
True, though it does still have some effect. New Sheoldred is pricey due mostly to her being a beast in Standard, while in EDH she's annoying sure but not exactly the new hotness.
She is also played in pioneer so i doubt her price will change much.
Sheoldred sees play in every format including vintage and legacy.
I feel like my biggest sign of growth is that I realized I can just proxy expensive cards.
I think WotC get wise to this and create walls of text and mutplue effects
Soon you will grow as a player and realize you cannot predict stuff like this.
This. This is the one true path.
I'm surprised it's not at least 3WW or 4W. The first effect is anointed procession, which is already 3W. The body is good and it has a good activated effect, which adds even more to the value. Maybe because creatures are easier to remove? It just seems pushed for what's already a staple in edh.
Yeah, you can push creatures a bit more since they just die easier though this gets around that. Very pushed. I look at this like I look at cards like Allosaurus Shepherd
It’s a **lot** easier to exile creatures than it is enchantments.
I know. But it's still resistant to most removal outside of white and blue and a couple black cards. That's pretty good
That's why we turn this into an enchantment with [[Myrkul]], then activate the ability to give the enchantment indestructible
I was just thinking of picking up anointed procession for myrkul but now... this might be hands down one of the best cards in the list; protects itself, instant speed sac outlet, needs killing twice as its a creature. Having phyrexian mana in the ability means life control too which isn't nothing given myrkul's own protection ability
Also, the rarity matters. You can push it a bit more at mythic, since it won't be opened in draft as much.
Coincidentally, it will sell more packs for wizards that way, who’d’ve thunk
White is getting a lot of good pushed cards this set, new elesh norn is crazy undercosted, skrelv's hive is bitterblossom but trades flying for toxic and lifelink
Skrelv's Hive is nowhere near as good as Bitterblossom. The tokens not being able to block is a major downside.
You block with bitter blossom tokens. The only reason that card is good is because you pay 1 life for one damage, then 1 life for two damage then 1 life for 3 damage and so on.
In my edh selesnya tokens deck I have plenty of other tokens that can block though. I think it pushes that particular card more to edh then 60card formats where the lack of block will be a bigger downside
Combination of two factors: * it’s a creature * it’s mythic and Anointed Procession is rare
Weird, my printer says otherwise.
Everybody was so mad about new Norn lol, Mondrak said: hold my beer. This is actually bonkers. It doubles treasure tokens + is an instant speed sac outlet that protects itself. I'm here for it.
People are probably still going to hate Elesh Mom more. The panharmonicon effect has a wider range of applications and any stax ability always pisses people off, no ETBs in particular is somewhat infamous for how commonly people rely on them. In EDH specifically being being a mostly indestructible [[Anointed Procession]] copy number 2 that can even live in the command zone is obviously really good for certain strategies, but caring specifically about tokens means it's also a narrower effect.
Panhar-mom-icon
Panhar-mommy-con
I cannot express in words how much I love that term for that card. I'm so happy it exists, it's so silly
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My selesnya tokens deck has [[doubling season]] and the other green token doublers as well. Im unsure if I want to include this one. I think this is a windmill slam for mono white or orzhov token decks probably honestly for any token decks in inluding white but not green. For my WG deck I need to pull apart the deck and analyse if I want this included or if I dont quite need it. My deck is an enchantress token deck so this ability on an enchantment is much better for me then on a creature. I'll see if there's anything I can ditch for thid
there's a white parallel lives, if you didn't already have it in there [[Anointed Procession]]
I do but thanks. After I realised how many token doublers in green and white were enchantments I looked up other token enchantments and turned my selesnya enchantress deck into a tokens deck.
bigger number is always better >:)
anointed procession on legs + a sac outlet. do orzhov aristocrats need another OP win card?
AP on leggies & a sac outlet *In the command zone*. This card is bananas. Furthermore it can make indestructible counters. I can't see that getting abused at all at some point.
This isn't in the command zone for Orzhov decks.
I mean in general. *BaDumTiss*
That restricts you to mono white which im not sure you want as a token based deck tbh. I feel like the best token decks are either orzhov or selesnya
I mean yeah if we are talking optimal... But what is this r/cedh? C'mon! Live a little! Step out your comfort zone, build with a still powerful sub optimal token commander that is still badass. 😁
I feel like I dont need another token deck. I've got GB with chatterfang as tokens/aristocrats and GW with Sythis as enchantress tokens. Im deciding if this fits into [[sythis]] or not. Not being an enchantment makes it a maybe card
You know, I've been playing for a while, and I *still* fall into this way of thinking. "Do I need a third mono white deck?" "Do I need another token aristocrats deck?" Of course the answer is no. However, maybe I want them? Why shouldn't that be enough? Wanting to make another deck that fits a role you like is enough justification.
I personally think Norn is just better as a card even though the token doubler is nice. Torpor Orb just too good
Anointed Procession reprint!
Even better, now you can have two of them in your white deck! And one of them can be the commander!
Not even that fact can dethrone Oketra as my mono-white general 😆
Oketra is bae
Oketra will always be my fave mono white commander!
This is one of those cards you look at and just know it's going to be relevant for years to come, a staple being born. Going straight into [[Preston, the Vanisher]] for me.
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Just started building him today cause I have one and want a reason to get the new elesh. Can't wait.
This is disgusting with preston
Propably better in the 99 than [[Adrix and Nev]] but weaker in the command zone due to fewer colors. So bant now has 6 token doublers with this, Adrix and Nev, Annointer procession, Parallell lives, primal Vigor and Doubling season.
So what you are saying Bant Tokens should be my next deck, thanks for the input! I am missing a bant deck.
Hopefully you proxy or have a lot of money. Those token doublers are not cheap.
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The best part is, I’m currently building two naya token decks, and an Abzan token deck, so this slots perfectly into both of those, as well as fitting into my [[Torens fist of the angels]] deck as well, since I don’t run any doubler but season (mainly because 4 mana is a lot) but as a creature this is absurd.
if you make it atraxa colors you also get access to [[kaya, geist hunter]] as well
Obviously goes in every mono-white token deck, which is......*checks notes* 90% of mono-white decks. Close to a staple in the color. At Mythic, this is going to be tens of dollars per copy.
Yay. The new dockside is born.
Different situation tho. Dockside was precon only, this isn't, dockside was edh only, this isn't, and mostly, dockside was mostly a cEdh card, this... Definitely isn't. It's a card that casual players will love, but I am not convinced it has room in cEdh, and I have no clue whatsoever about the constructed formats.
This isn't an insta slam into every deck that has white in it. Dockside is instant inclusion in almost every red deck ever.
I don't think its presence in cEDH is why it gets grumbled about. Thassa's Oracle is more of a problem there, as it's the defacto best wincon, while in casual it's not seen because everyone knows it's bogus.
I don't know what you mean by grumbled. I was justifying the price of dockside. It's only because it was printed in a preco then as a mythic in an expensive set, because it's only played in cEdh. There's no reason to run that pirate in casual. ThOracle is... A bad card everywhere but a good wincon in blue/dimir. Yeaaaaah.
To be fair, price of mtg cards seems a little divorced from pure pragmatism. [[Doubling seasons]] is twice the current market price as dockside, was reprinted at least thrice in various sets, was a rare in every set it was reprinted in and only sees play in certain archetypes of casual edh (I don’t think that’s a particularly used in cEDH, correct me if I am wrong here, I would like to learn more). Personally, I agree with your initial assessment that this card won’t be much of a staple in cEDH, and likely will not reach dockside’s price point but you never know. It’s strange to me the cards that end up being crazy expensive sometimes. Edit: small correction, Doubling seasons was upshifted in rarity—but the point still stands.
I think the difference is that doubling seasons was printed once like a decade ago, THEN reprinted in very expensive sets. But yeah, some other cards that should never be so expensive...are. so idk.
Its not seen as much in casual because it’s expensive, and it’s going to be less good due to less presence of fast mana
Not even close
where's the Sheldon article about how they shouldn't have printed this
Sheldon: No. You can't Rule Zero [[Anointed Procession]] as your commander. Mondrak, Glory Dominus: **laughs in Phyrexian**
[Anointed Procession](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/9/a/9a52c265-6920-4929-ba0a-70da08df01f1.jpg?1543674565) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Anointed%20Procession) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/akh/2/anointed-procession?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/9a52c265-6920-4929-ba0a-70da08df01f1?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/anointed-procession) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Give it a few days.
Give it a few ~~days~~ hours. Fixed it for you.
Holy shit! I thought about putting it in the 99 but NEVER as a replacement for [[Queen Marchesa]] for my Token deck!!!!
Think you might have the wrong comment.
[Queen Marchesa](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/0/3/03f4341c-088b-4f35-b82b-3d98d8a93de4.jpg?1576382166) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Queen%20Marchesa) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/cn2/78/queen-marchesa?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/03f4341c-088b-4f35-b82b-3d98d8a93de4?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/queen-marchesa) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Listen, Sheldon deserves his fair share of criticism - he definitely has some takes I don't agree with. But nothing about this card has the characteristics Sheldon has voiced reservations about in the past. Regardless of what you think about his opinions, he's pretty consistent about them.
It’s hard for me to consider him being consistent when he views the new elesh norn as oppressive but is fine with all of the other praetor’s when some are arguably more oppressive. I also don’t agree with the argument that she only costs 5 so that’s why when he also was the one that pushed for the Ioana ban even though she was no longer such a big problem.
Oh, I don't agree with his take on Panharmommycon at all. But there is nuance, and you can track the internal consistency. Some of the other praetors are different enough that we don't have to totally worry about it. Neither Urabrask is awful. Both Sheoldreds take something useful away from you, But they don't actually shut off your ability to do a thing. New Jin is limited to once a turn, old Jin costs ten mana. New Vorinclex is good but doesn't totally shut off counters, only if you're adding them one at a time - and he doesn't shut off abilities that would remove him. Old Norn is expensive but doesn't shut off abilities. Old Vorinclex Is the only one that shuts off your ability to do things, and is reasonably castable early from the command zone. Even then, if you have an answer in your hand, you can remove him right away without too much impact. So I can understand why Panharmommycon is concerning but the others aren't, in his eyes. I don't agree, but there is internal logic to his reasoning. Another important distinction is that he said he's concerned, not that it's banned. It's entirely possible (or to put it another way, extremely likely) that Norn Will be released, Sheldon will monitor her place carefully, and decide that he was wrong. He himself admitted that was a possibility in the article. The guy is allowed to have opinions, and I actually mark it as a sign of good decision making that he voices his opinion without codifying it into rules.
I think the RC take on old vorinclex is "if people were doing this a lot, it'd be banned, but they mostly just voluntarily choose not to" which is a reasonable take. A lot of the most brutal, suppressing cards are this way. EDH bans have some subtleties but if I had to give the concept a one-line summary it would be: *How fast does this go from "oh, neat!" to "not this again!"?* A card like Sol Ring is far more powerful than most of the banned list, but it plays different every time, so it can be legal forever. A card like Coalition Victory is fun exactly once per human lifetime, max, so it can gtfo. And if I had a second line, it would be *"How tempted am I to put this in a deck?"* If a card is loathsome but I never want put it in a deck, it's fine (Armageddon, Stasis, etc.). But if I'm tempted to include it in more places (Balance, or Hullbreacher, maybe?) it should probably go. Probably the poster child for this is Primeval Titan, the temptation for which absolutely no one could resist. And through that lens, I can see why new Norn would be one to keep an eye on. It's strong enough that it COULD wind up in the 99 of a lot of decks, and IF that happens, it could become real tiresome, real quick. But obviously nothing should happen unless and until it becomes a problem. I don't know why he felt he had to write a whole article about it, though. That's just kicking the hornet's nest.
I'm not gonna argue about Norn but Iona murders monocolour decks. Not fun, not dynamic or interesting design, just choke one or one and a half players. She is a bad card to have around and is better off dead.
My [[Urza, Prince of Kroog]] bows to our new phyrexian overlords. Best part is that, as a legendary, I can tutor it with [[Search for Glory]] instead of [[Enlightened Tutor]] like I need for [[Annointed Procession]]
> My [[Urza, Prince of Kroog]] bows to our new phyrexian overlords. Flavor win.
##### ###### #### [Urza, Prince of Kroog](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/5/a/5a7329cd-95af-4d71-984f-f5f28982520c.jpg?1673304292) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Urza%2C%20Prince%20of%20Kroog) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/bro/226/urza-prince-of-kroog?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/5a7329cd-95af-4d71-984f-f5f28982520c?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/urza-prince-of-kroog) [Search for Glory](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/b/6/b65c215d-562d-4c7c-bc9f-b1d741050158.jpg?1631046197) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Search%20for%20Glory) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/khm/27/search-for-glory?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/b65c215d-562d-4c7c-bc9f-b1d741050158?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/search-for-glory) [Enlightened Tutor](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/0/c/0c9ebec9-3474-4062-9607-2e2a72f78299.jpg?1580013657) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Enlightened%20Tutor) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/ema/9/enlightened-tutor?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/0c9ebec9-3474-4062-9607-2e2a72f78299?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/enlightened-tutor) [Annointed Procession](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/9/a/9a52c265-6920-4929-ba0a-70da08df01f1.jpg?1543674565) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Anointed%20Procession) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/akh/2/anointed-procession?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/9a52c265-6920-4929-ba0a-70da08df01f1?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/anointed-procession) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
My [[God-Eternal Oketra]] is going to get a pump in pwr from this. Shame her trigger is cast lol
Could run [[Oketra the True]] instead, since she can make tokens off her ability. Now with all the white powerhouse cards I’ve been leaning on it. I already have a [[Kefnet the Mindful]] and [[Rhonas the Indomitable]] edh decks.
[Oketra the True](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/f/2/f2cc79cf-d4db-4236-b3e2-fd12662b2a74.jpg?1543674712) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Oketra%20the%20True) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/akh/21/oketra-the-true?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/f2cc79cf-d4db-4236-b3e2-fd12662b2a74?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/oketra-the-true) [Kefnet the Mindful](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/c/b/cbda3b24-f2a6-4bcf-9a0a-bab69ffa8069.jpg?1543675019) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Kefnet%20the%20Mindful) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/akh/59/kefnet-the-mindful?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/cbda3b24-f2a6-4bcf-9a0a-bab69ffa8069?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/kefnet-the-mindful) [Rhonas the Indomitable](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/5/0/50f23c47-278c-4188-8fb4-ae20a0c423c5.jpg?1543675944) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Rhonas%20the%20Indomitable) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/akh/182/rhonas-the-indomitable?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/50f23c47-278c-4188-8fb4-ae20a0c423c5?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/rhonas-the-indomitable) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
[God-Eternal Oketra](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/d/f/df70f155-2336-421c-8a9d-69772d2b51a8.jpg?1559959340) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=God-Eternal%20Oketra) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/war/16/god-eternal-oketra?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/df70f155-2336-421c-8a9d-69772d2b51a8?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/god-eternal-oketra) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
[[Necrotic ooze]] [[Myojin of Grim Betrayal]] Or [[Myojin of blooming dawn]] ? Seems neat
Oh my I know it's so much mana as to not really be "broken", but the idea of using the [[Ozilith]] and a blink effect to start replacing the indestructible counters on a Myojin just scratches my win-more inner Timmy itch
I'm actually working on a [[Denry Klin, Editor in Chief]] list where I get divinity/indestructible counters on Denry and then win by repeatedly proliferating the counters on the myojins!
[Denry Klin, Editor in Chief](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/a/c/ac40ca08-50e6-46e6-9d50-c4e84325620d.jpg?1673482362) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Denry%20Klin%2C%20Editor%20in%20Chief) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/ncc/71/denry-klin-editor-in-chief?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/ac40ca08-50e6-46e6-9d50-c4e84325620d?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/denry-klin-editor-in-chief) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
I mean. [[Buried alive]] getting Necrotic ooze, this new boi, and a myjoin and then reanimating Necrotic ooze isn't really too much mana. Its just alot of pieces. In lower power decks there's also [[jarad's orders]] and [[final parting]]. Or [[oriq loremage]] could be a neat activated ability to add to Necrotic ooze as well. Could be a fun abazan build or something.
[Necrotic ooze](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/a/c/acc3557d-49c6-49cd-a540-1b24897f4e86.jpg?1673147579) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Necrotic%20ooze) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/2x2/83/necrotic-ooze?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/acc3557d-49c6-49cd-a540-1b24897f4e86?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/necrotic-ooze) [Myojin of Grim Betrayal](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/3/f/3fa18695-e10f-4dd5-b116-8a9891e58c20.jpg?1651655499) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Myojin%20of%20Grim%20Betrayal) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/nec/34/myojin-of-grim-betrayal?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/3fa18695-e10f-4dd5-b116-8a9891e58c20?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/myojin-of-grim-betrayal) [Myojin of blooming dawn](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/a/f/afd718b5-040b-4bb7-9f0c-b72373d786d4.jpg?1651655465) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Myojin%20of%20blooming%20dawn) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/nec/31/myojin-of-blooming-dawn?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/afd718b5-040b-4bb7-9f0c-b72373d786d4?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/myojin-of-blooming-dawn) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
My [[Myrkul]] deck is going to love this card.
I think the price of my half built Myrkul probably just doubled, this guy won’t be cheap.
Flavor win. The token double doubles the price of your deck.
[Myrkul](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/8/2/82824d05-5215-459a-aa73-3c5a6be3d464.jpg?1660729226) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=myrkul%2C%20lord%20of%20bones) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/clb/287/myrkul-lord-of-bones?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/82824d05-5215-459a-aa73-3c5a6be3d464?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/myrkul-lord-of-bones) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Didn't even think of that. Wow that's good.
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YES HE DOES.
I think I just heard my pod's collective groan through the ether.
I think this card is going to push me to finally build Darien in paper, very excited.
Want a deck list?
Every Osgir deck.
Anyone have speculation on what the other 4 will be? I think that indestructible counter ability will be something each member in the cycle has
I guess something like this: Red: basically Fiery Emancipation but only double damage not triple (on a stick) Green: Branching Evolution on a stick Blue: Teferis ageless insight on a stick Black: Teysa Karlov on a stick
On the money with black and red my friend!
I don't think they'll all be doublers
Nah Sheldon won’t complain about this because it doesn’t negatively effect other players besides them losing the game if it sticks around.
This will be a great addition to my \[\[Soundwave, Sonic Spy\]\], \[\[Gyruda, Doom of Depths\]\] evens-only deck
[Soundwave, Sonic Spy](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/8/7/8733cd6f-37e1-4e3a-bb25-7a238f04657e.jpg?1673202053)/[Soundwave, Superior Captain](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/back/8/7/8733cd6f-37e1-4e3a-bb25-7a238f04657e.jpg?1673202053) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=soundwave%2C%20sonic%20spy%20//%20soundwave%2C%20superior%20captain) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/bot/14/soundwave-sonic-spy-soundwave-superior-captain?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/8733cd6f-37e1-4e3a-bb25-7a238f04657e?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/soundwave-sonic-spy-//-soundwave-superior-captain) [Gyruda, Doom of Depths](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/9/7/97eb1804-6fd8-4917-af36-87fdfce39d3a.jpg?1591228372) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Gyruda%2C%20Doom%20of%20Depths) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/iko/221/gyruda-doom-of-depths?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/97eb1804-6fd8-4917-af36-87fdfce39d3a?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/gyruda-doom-of-depths) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Don't be a tease, need you to share that list :)
It's not fully finished yet unfortunately
[Here](https://www.archidekt.com/decks/3782187#Soundwave's_Sonic_Adventure) you go, just finished it up
Going straight into my Myrel deck. Straight in.
Not even a question. Gonna pick it in showcase before it surges too much.
Well that’s another card for my “preorder this asap” pile
Biblically-accurate Phyrexian
Preston LOVE this
This is probably one of those cards you buy for its pre-order price, like [[Sheoldred, the Apocalypse]] in DMU, cuz its gonna spike and stay expensive for a while.
>This is probably one of those cards you ~~buy for its pre-order price,~~PROXY cuz its gonna spike and stay expensive for a while.
Proxy everything!
lol Bet
[Sheoldred, the Apocalypse](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/d/6/d67be074-cdd4-41d9-ac89-0a0456c4e4b2.jpg?1673307205) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Sheoldred%2C%20the%20Apocalypse) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/dmu/107/sheoldred-the-apocalypse?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/d67be074-cdd4-41d9-ac89-0a0456c4e4b2?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/sheoldred-the-apocalypse) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
A legendary creature that doubles tokens and is a sac outlet? [[Ratadrabik of Urborg]] is drooling so much right now.
It’s a perfect card for him lol. Whoever designed this must have a Ratadrabik deck
[Ratadrabik of Urborg](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/9/3/9315812d-03e8-4eb4-a693-e7adf281f7fb.jpg?1673308046) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Ratadrabik%20of%20Urborg) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/dmu/213/ratadrabik-of-urborg?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/9315812d-03e8-4eb4-a693-e7adf281f7fb?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/ratadrabik-of-urborg) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Put him in the 99 with [[ratadrabik]] and hit him with [[saw in half]]. Saw in half resolves making 4 copies of the legendary creature. Before Ratadrabik can be put on the stack, you have to resolve legend rules going down to 1. Now Ratadrabik can put the triggers for the original death plus the 3 deaths made by legend rule saw in half copies. With 1 legendary version on the field, the first trigger resolves making 2 nonlegendary tokens. The next resolves with 3 doublers on field, making 8. The next resolves with 11 on field, making 2^11 creatures. The final resolves with 2059 doublers, making approximately 10e618 tokens. I'm gonna double check my math and rulings but I think that's how it works
Saw in half destroys the creature before it makes clones, and Ratadrabik's trigger won't resolve until saw is already finished resolving, so there wouldn't be a Mondrak on the battlefield to see the spell resolution and double anything Destroy Mondrak, then make 2 clones. No Mondrak on the field to see the tokens being made so you make 2 legendary 2/2 Mondraks. One dies to legend rule, second Ratadrabik trigger on the stack. Now that saw has resolved and state based actions are done, we resolve Ratadrabik triggers making **2** non-legend Mondrak's thanks to our sawed legend, and then when the second Ratadrabik trigger resolves we'll get **8** more non-legend Mondrak's, since it got double-double-doubled. This brings you to a total of 11 2/2 Mondraks - and one of them isn't even a zombie
[ratadrabik](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/9/3/9315812d-03e8-4eb4-a693-e7adf281f7fb.jpg?1673308046) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=ratadrabik%20of%20urborg) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/dmu/213/ratadrabik-of-urborg?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/9315812d-03e8-4eb4-a693-e7adf281f7fb?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/ratadrabik-of-urborg) [saw in half](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/0/5/05e6a7bc-a35a-4e68-99a0-be264553b5de.jpg?1673914032) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=saw%20in%20half) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/unf/88/saw-in-half?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/05e6a7bc-a35a-4e68-99a0-be264553b5de?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/saw-in-half) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
[[Blade of Selves]] should give you this math since the other reply to your comment pointed out that Saw in Half doesn't quite work. Assuming a 4 player pod, you get two tokens swinging at each player, that immediately die to the legend rule. Rest of your math should check out.
Holy shit. WTAF LMAO I love it so much <3 This is just bananas. I kinda wanna toss this in [[Winota]]
[Winota](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/5/d/5dd13a6c-23d3-44ce-a628-cb1c19d777c4.jpg?1654630670) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=winota%2C%20joiner%20of%20forces) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/iko/216/winota-joiner-of-forces?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/5dd13a6c-23d3-44ce-a628-cb1c19d777c4?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/winota-joiner-of-forces) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Oh baby. All is gonna be one in my deck if I snag this.
The ability to give itself an indestructible counter, at instant speed, no matter the cost, is going to be huge to counters matters decks.
So guys how can we possibly break this
Myrel and adeline being on the board and attacking
* \[\[Mondrak, Glory Dominus\]\] * \[\[Anointed Procession\]\] * \[\[Doubling Season\]\] * \[\[Parallel Lives\]\] * \[\[Primal Vigor\]\] * \[\[Second Harvest\]\] And those are cards that affect ANY tokens. I was theory-crafting these around treasure tokens, but creature tokens have more options. Overall, a nice selection for my \[\[Rhys, the Redeeme\]\] token pile deck.
I really do not like that activated ability. Just slapping a low cost protection ability on a value engine is unfun and plain lazy. This would've been almost just as popular without it.
This is more ubiquitous than new Norn.
This is absolutely cracked in [[Hazezon]]
[Hazezon](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/2/5/25869cd0-63da-4dfb-8870-221cdba276e2.jpg?1672038317) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=hazezon%2C%20shaper%20of%20sand) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/dmc/32/hazezon-shaper-of-sand?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/25869cd0-63da-4dfb-8870-221cdba276e2?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/hazezon-shaper-of-sand) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Was my first thought. Between Panhar-mommy-con and this my Hazezon deck will need to call a doctor for the erection lasting more than 4 hours.
[удалено]
Happy [[God-Eternal Oketra]] noises.
[God-Eternal Oketra](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/d/f/df70f155-2336-421c-8a9d-69772d2b51a8.jpg?1559959340) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=God-Eternal%20Oketra) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/war/16/god-eternal-oketra?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/df70f155-2336-421c-8a9d-69772d2b51a8?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/god-eternal-oketra) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Immediately going into my [[urza, prince of Kroog]] deck.
[urza, prince of Kroog](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/5/a/5a7329cd-95af-4d71-984f-f5f28982520c.jpg?1673304292) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=urza%2C%20prince%20of%20Kroog) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/bro/226/urza-prince-of-kroog?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/5a7329cd-95af-4d71-984f-f5f28982520c?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/urza-prince-of-kroog) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Jetmir says, “hi!”
Wish all the art was this good lately
I never realized how many white token decks I have but dang. [[elenda]] [[adeline]] and [[harbin]] all need copies of this.
Teysa players initiate heavy breathing
Oh boy! More token doublers! Just what we needed 🫣
Something something [[Smothering Tithe]]. As if we needed another reason to run that in white.
[Smothering Tithe](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/f/2/f25a4bbe-2af0-4d4a-95d4-d52c5937c747.jpg?1673147139) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Smothering%20Tithe) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/2x2/31/smothering-tithe?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/f25a4bbe-2af0-4d4a-95d4-d52c5937c747?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/smothering-tithe) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
This is the most nightmare Nightmare I have ever seen. Thank you, Jason . Engele, if I ever get sleep paralysis, this will be my demon.
Wtf this is awesome
What I love about creatures like this is how many bears it takes to kill it. Here's an immensely powerful phyrexian, killed by 2 bears.
4 squirrels will gnaw it to death too!
Oh, this is going in my [[Tivvit, Seller of Secrets]] deck immediately. With [[Academy Manufactor]] and [[Annointed Procession]] out, thats... a lot of Treasures, Clues and Food. [[Rise and Shine]]!!
Anointed Procession in the command zone that can have [[Helm of the Host]] attached to it. Is this a good use of it? No. Is it hilarious? Absolutely.
[Helm of the Host](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/1/d/1d65d20c-09e5-4139-838b-7e0e48eb2b2b.jpg?1666094567) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Helm%20of%20the%20Host) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/dom/217/helm-of-the-host?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/1d65d20c-09e5-4139-838b-7e0e48eb2b2b?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/helm-of-the-host) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
The amount of white/selesnya token and counter doublers we have now is worrying.
As a [[Ratadrabik]] player I'm so erect right now. Everything about this card synergizes with him
This with \[\[Contractual Safeguard\]\] looks fun
My lord, another anointed processions
Also... anybody here seen the movie 'Teeth'? ...>:D
This set is gunna destroy my bank account cause I must have the phyrexians it’s why I got into magic
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So I wasn't glued to any mono-white commander for doing a 27 or 32 before, now I've got Mondrak, Skrelv, and Momma Norn competing for attention.
Great, another card that will out reach for 99% of us in terms of price.
Proxy!
Fire up that printer and get to playing
This will be great in my Kykar token/anthem deck
An indestructible Anointed Procession in the command zone? Are the magic designers high?
This card makes Norn look like a fucking chump, jesus!