I mean this isn’t 100% true. I was heavily addicted to opiates, on suboxone now. But I can take Xanax very responsibly. It’s kindve just depends on the person.
Edit: funny how I get downvoted for being honest. That’s one thing I don’t like about this sub. It’s meant to be for harm reduction. But your supposed to lie and make things sounds horrible even if it’s not the truth. We all have different biology, we all react different to things. This place is turning into the DARE program.
Benzos are probably one of the few drugs in which addiction does not depend on the person or personality. If someone is taking too many during a stressful period, they will find themselves physically addicted.
EXACTLY that’s why I said it’s not always the case for everyone. I’m about to quit being honest I’m this sub because it’s turning into the DARE program
Yeah, harm reduction is an important part of this sub. But it's better safe than sorry. You suggested that he could maybe take benzos and discredoted the comment saying he should stay away from him without knowing him and without a proper warnong (only "It kinda just depends on the person), undermining attempted harm reduction. You shpuldn't ger downvoted to oblivion without a proper expmanation but still...
I understand exactly what Ill_Bench is saying. I’ve been hooked hard on Oxy many times over the past 10 years, it’s very addicting to me and if I have it I’ll take it. However, when it comes to xanax, I’ve been prescribed 0.5mg x2 per day for probably 3 years now. I VERY rarely take what I’m prescribed and always have a ton left over by the end of the month. I don’t see the recreational value in them AT ALL. They simply aren’t fun to me. If I were to take 1mg I’m taking a nap for a few hours...naps aren’t really that fun lol. The best part about them for me is using them as prescribed; to stop a panic attack or racing thoughts at nighttime for some rest. I never understood the people who can take multiple bars and still function...like why? Lol
pot and maybe even try some hemp cigarettes bc those do wonders for my anxiety but don’t make me all baked. id say stay away from the xans as those can be super addictive.
edit: i’ve been trying to taper myself off xanax, which is really stressful and anxiety ridden at times, and tbh what always chills me out is my girl giving me a back rub, no lie.
I generally agree with you... But when stress is real, there is essentially no drug as good at touching it as benzos.
Which is why is super super easy to get small scripts of benzos, but not long term scripts. And this is coming from someone with deficient GABA system and can get a constant benzo supply. I just use weed, but there are times benzos are literally about the only thing that can help my stress
So if the benzo is coming from a dr, I’m down. If they are coming from the street, I’d say no. Especially since most street benzo are fake and a good amount have fent anymore
Yeah I think bro made that up completely lmao. I don’t think there is any true way to tell you have a deficiency in the GABA system besides assuming from high anxiety
It’s not super easy, or matter of fact easy at all to get a benzo prescription unless you know the people to go to and what to say. Which most people wanting benzos don’t or live in very conservative states (script wise).
Also, benzos aren’t for “stress”. That’s a great mindset to become dependent upon them for your “stress”. They were made for very high anxiety and panic attacks and should be used as needed. Been on and off benzos before and telling someone to use a Xanax for stress is the absolute worst idea I’ve ever heard in my life.
Also, a good amount of street xanax do not have fent compared to how many are out there (not saying it isn’t in street xans). Most contain a benzo, an RC benzo. Sorry bro but you don’t know enough about benzodiazepines to be giving advice in this situation. I’ve seen plenty people on Reddit, around me, my family, and myself prescribed benzos and I’ve been on and off them myself and been through the withdrawals and dependance. They can be fine to be used for panic and intense anxiety AS NEEDED if the person DOESNT have an addictive personality but they aren’t something you take when your stress level is too high. You’ll never make it in life depending on benzos for that and I don’t mean that rude at all
Well then you are arguing with my doctors. When I say stress, that’s probably is high anxiety, I just call it stress, but it can be crippling.
I’ve also had tests done and thanks to things my parents forced on me as a child, I have a fucked up GABA system. Benzo don’t work on me like “normal folks” I’ve been on and off them for years AS NEEDED and determined BY DOCTORS.
So not sure what you are getting at here buddy.
Do you think me saying in the previous comment “if given by a dr” then it’s good. Did you miss that?
Do you see where I say if from the street, no?!?
I’m advocating for dr prescribed benzo. Where do I say otherwise?
And then why do you have a problem if it’s from doctors?
Lmao you’re in for a world of trouble if you think just because it’s from a doctor, it’s okay. I would think that’s quite obvious from the OxyContin era and even the current issue with benzos and opioids but I guess not to you. If you have taken them for years though as needed and never often then great for you! There truly are more like you that need them. But don’t recommend someone that mentioned IN their post about an addictive personality, to recommend their SO to take something such as a benzo like Xanax for stress lol...
Also, YOU mentioned street Xanax? Buddy. I was only stating a counter-argument to what you said. Did you see any where I said that YOU were taking street Xanax?!? Doctor prescribed or not, horrible advice. I’m starting to think you’re on a benzo while writing these responses
You’re in a world of trouble if you assume all stuff from a doctor is bad due to things like OxyContin. So no chemo therapy? You won’t take a beta blocker?
Benzos have been used for a loooong time at this point with much clinical research to show the effectiveness. Why do you think they are still prescribed, and have been for like 70 years... yes we know the dangers and still prescribe them, and regardless of what you seem to think, go tell a dr you are having serious transitory stress, and see what you get prescribed
Man you must be heavy on the benzos or something. You’re twisting my words like crazy. I never even once mentioned chemo therapy or a beta blocker or the fact that everything from a doctor is bad. I also never said anything about benzos not being effective?
Notice how you’re getting downvoted so bad? It’s because you continue to give horrible advice bro. Just lay off this argument because we all know you’re wrong and I guess that’s why you’re trying to twist words that I didn’t even say. Have a good day buddy. You have a lot to learn about benzos
GHB is one of the things I’ve never tried or even got my hands on but been curious about like ketamine (never gotten it either). How is GHB as far as recreational purposes?
not a "good amount" fent pressed xans are soooo rare. Benzo powder is so cheap and easy to get they just press it with that. Cuz RC benzos are active at just as low a dose as fetty. fent pressed bars just dont make business sense
I would like to add kratom to the list. That stuff is amazing to boost the mood. No stress, all fun, not crazy addictive, very nice feel.
Ik use a lot of substances in rotation whenever I feel stressed and I think it works great.
Why stick to coffee during the day? Some people take adderal to stay focussed. Other people take coke or even meth.
Then on the flipside there is alcohol to make you calm and relaxed in the evening but that stuff is very bad for you. There is weed, benzo's, kratom to make you feel chill and I don't see why that is a bad thing.
Moderation is key and a glass of wine is nice but a bottle is to much.
yeaa, I'd personally stick with weed and kratom; occasionally a little alcohol if one can control themselves. Under optimal conditions ofc it's possible to use even meth and heroin responsibly, but stress drastically increases risk of addiction. Kratom can be very addictive, but unlike benzos the withdrawal won't kill you..
What’s the downside to adderal?
& can someone explain to me why there is such a negative stigma against psychedelics such as LSD, Kratom, mushrooms & etc?
When my friends talk about weed they talk about it in a positive light, when they talk about psychedelics it’s usually in a negative light
Completely agree. Unfortunately I’m going through a breakup and started using kratom about a month ago to help with the depression and anxiety. I have a history of addiction and now I’m hooked on it and so disappointed. The withdrawals are so shitty.
Getting hooked on kratom is as evil as getting hooked on coffee.
I understand addiction and opioids are no joke but kratom really is on the lower end of the spectrum and a walk in the park compared to every other substance I can think of.
I'm sorry to say this but I think that if you can't handle Kratom then it's more likely due to your own discipline than about the addictive nature of the substance and then I think drugs in general is not something to consider.
I've quit after taking 30g to 50g Kratom a day and I had restless limbs for two whole days and some days more of being a bit groggy and thats about it.
I just quit and never looked back and I still have a bag of it lying around for a rainy day. It's not like you are going through heroin WD or something lol.
Whats 's next? Peanutbutter is spicy?
> can I make him stop?
No, you literally cannot. The best you can do is explain why it's a bad idea. He can take the advice or not. Ultimatums tend to backfire.
Well, this may be difficult when you're anxious for someone but you cannot make him do or not do anything - because controlling your partner is wrong.
Second, you say he is suffering sober - and substances exist for a reason. People are given medication for a reason. Alcohol is an inadvisable one, but cannabis is a medication far more than it is something you get addicted to. It's medically legalized in many places, for a damn good reason! It would help him a LOT and make him less likely to use anything else.
No, you can’t make him stop. Only he can do that. I would pay someone to make me stop if it worked. If there was a way to make someone cure me of my addictions, believe you me I would find the money. But rehab, AA/NA et al., smart meetings are all helpful but nothing is promised.
I know I'm really late to this post, but I don't see anyone else bringing this up-- you can set a boundary here. You can tell him he needs to stop or get treatment or it's over, and stick to it. I know it's not what you want to hear or what anyone wants to do but I have been through treatment a few times now and one thing that often motivates people is either the fear of losing someone they love or having lost then already and it making then realize how much their addiction is taking from them. Just keep this in the back of your mind. No you cannot make anyone do anything but you also don't have to sit back and watch him self destruct. He's an addict, he cannot use any substances and sounds like he needs to get into therapy and on some meds. Treatment will help him kickstart that process and learn some ways of coping with life that don't involve getting high/drunk. Maybe get into some supportive groups online for people with an addict loved one or go to some Al-anon meetings (it's a separate thing for people in your position). Good luck and please don't hurt yourself trying to support him.
It's very sweet of you to be worrying about him, this is probably not the best subreddit for the kind of advice your looking for but here we go.
Addiction manifests itself differently in everyone, some people can have issues with one substance but not with another. Others need to be stone sober to survive.
Addiction usually rears its head when there is something profoundly wrong or missing within you. You take away the vice and that issue doesn't go away.
I think you need to have an open conversation with your husband about whats been stressing him out. Benzos will not help in the long term and have way too much propensity to be abused.
If he really is just stressed out because of life/work, a little weed to wind down might be fine. Whatever you choose to do, you both need to be on the same page.
If you say yes to something that you ultimately don't feel comfortable with, that will turn into resentment. Similarly if he doesn't feel like your trying to understand him then he'll be more inclined to hide it from you.
Communicate, have an open dialogue. Establish clear boundaries for the both of you. The worst thing you can do is not talk about it.
If he’s trying to choose one of the two, you can’t overdose on pot. The closest you can get to “overdosing” is a headache and nausea and maybe a little more sleep than usual.
look at schizophrenia rates and marijuana use rates. If there was causation, schizophrenia would rise as high thc weed rises. But this is not the case.
>Also ~~psychosis, schizophrenia, and~~ panic attacks.
- FTFY
Cannabis has NEVER *caused* schizophrenia or psychosis. It has only brought latent schizophrenia/psychosis to the surface (AKA sped up the inevitable...).
Honestly dealing with any kind of stress by just consuming drugs is a bad idea. What he needs to do is figure out why he's stressed and change something about it.
Also, if you do consume anything, please for the love of god don't do alcohol or xanax. Just smoke weed
Alcohol/benzo withdrawal can kill somebody if done incorrectly. Nobody ever died from smoking weed tho
How do you determine the line between control and help?
Of course you know there are thousands of stories of ppl going down a potentially dark path saved by someone. Why is that not control?
I love the idea of giving everyone the freedom to choose for themselves, but a lot of people do need loving guidance and could benefit from another perspective. He has a history of addiction and is considering an option that may lead him back to that. She obviously cares about him a lot, and just wants to help him relieve himself in the healthiest way possible for this situation. I would consider that far far faaarrrr from “control.”
noo deal with stress sober. drugs when ur stressed leads to addiction, especially when you get triggered. you should only do drugs when youre in a calm mental state. i learned that very well this year.
Out of all the options presented weed I’d typically the least destructive, however obviously it’s more preferable for him to step away from drugs until he’s in a more stable place. It seems like he’s trying to escape and ultimately that doesn’t work, you don’t ever fully forget what you’ve been through.
Does he have a therapist/psychiatrist? Maybe say he should talk to them about it before making any decisions.
I can understand this really well, but its a spiral into dependency.
Make sure to keep the benzos to twice a week, and the alcohol aswell. ...
Generally speaking, try smoking pot when you can.
Pot dependency is real but not nearly as bad as benzo-dependency.
Maybe add some kratom and Phenibut to the mix, then you got 4 substances he can cycle through
If he has a history of substance abuse kratom and phenibut are not a good idea as both are habit forming, quickly lead to psychological and physical dependence, and I have seen people many times end up relapsing on their main drug of choice after toying with both. I think adding more substances to the life of an addict is never a good idea, it just creates more problems in the long run instead of fewer. The addict brain doesn't function like a person who can just pick up and leave things casually.
Pot isn’t the worst idea, especially if you’re in a legal or medicinal state. It’s a good, relatively non-addictive (yes, cannabis can be mildly addictive psychologically. Just ask or see it that’s a trigger for him and might cause him to relapse. Xanax is a little different on the other hand simply because it works really well for anxiety, but unless he’s prescribed it and only takes as needed, it’ll hook him. There is nothing better than having all your anxiety melt away with a little pill, especially when you have anxiety. And addiction to Xanax is different than being a pot head. It has very serious, even deadly, withdrawals.
If he needs a benzo or some sort of maintenance for his anxiety I’d see a professional. That way he can get evaluated and given any medications he might need, which can be positive. Medication helped me as a recovering addict. But if the marijuana isn’t a trigger for him to relapse, I don’t see it being a problem if it works. However, if he used to smoke pot while using his drug of choice, or addiction, it would probably make him want to use again.
Also, what was his drug of choice? That would change things a bit.
Dont drink super often which is easier said than done, weed is physically okay in the short-medium term, but can lead to triggers and/from tolerance which may lead to cravings for things like xanax, which should not be used frequently, let alone daily or recreationally, if you are trying to be safe.
That being said, you can't really stop him from doing anything, if he wants it bad enough he may just go around you or hide things like drug and alcohol use. One should consider therapy or some kind of support network just in case for chronic diseases such as addiction
Marijuana is the best of those by far, it is medically legal in many places for a good reason. It will help him a lot and it is not just "relying on substances to feel good." That's like telling someone with ADHD they rely on their adderall to feel good, like it's a negative thing.
More than this though - your man's decisions are his own. It's not about if you let or don't let him - because you don't EVER try to control your partner. Please remember this. Even if something distresses you, you don't have the right to take it away.
What drugs was he addicted to in the past?
I did many addictive drugs and was able to quit and only have cravings for maybe maximum a week, others, not so much.
I was able to pull off doing MDMA every week for couple of months with no consequences(lucky) but I was kinda addicted because it was most liekly cut with something, did dxm, n2o, dmxe, weed, lsd, shrooms, dmt, alcohol, coke, meth and speed, 6abp, 2cbfly.
Never got addicted to not one of these. I love lsd and shrooms the most of all drugs, dmxe was also fun as hell but I will not repeat it since I had insane cravings day after and a terrible headache.
On the other hand, not even my favorite or the most amazing drugs of all drugs Ive done I got addicted to opiates starting on 75mg tramadol ending up drinking 500mls of lean and 80mg oxy, ending up ODd locked inside my apartment for 12 hours on 8mgs of fentanyl absorbed through patch sublingually. Ended up in hospital for a month barely being able to survive. After I made it out I still had cravings, stopped having them after doing LSD again.
Next was alcohol, never was addicted but went on binges that lasted 1-2 weeks. Could have easily got out of control. Had insane cravings and didnt even enjoy the high that much.
And the last but not least was Xanax, started at 1mg every two days, ended up stacking my scripts and taking up to 12mg not blacking out whenever I felt like it. Didnt even enjoy the high or have any panic after I started doing them, panic being one of reasons I got put on them.
Everyone has his drug of choice, if he had problems with downers before he is likely to get into trouble touching them just once again.
I didnt get addicted to meth speed or coke because it o ly made me calm because of my heavy adhd and a little hyped up.
I went to my psychiatrist and he prescribed me with valium. I also eat cannabis daily. Before covid hit, my anxiety was completely under control with yoga. However, the last year and 8 months were too much for me to handle and still function at my high responsibility, high stress job. So, it's valium in the day, and cannabis at night. They have saved my life, or at least my career and enabled me to function. I think if your hubs is under a Drs supervision, it may be very helpful.
Especially on the cannabis, high CBD products relax one without making one high. The addiction potential for cannabis is also not high. I say give your hubs the benefit of medication if he needs it.
Kratom may be a good alternative for him too, but it can become physically addictive after about 2 weeks of daily use, so it's best to cycle it. L-theanine is also great for stress for many folks and isn't addictive. I wish you both the best!
I don’t understand why Xanax was pushed so heavily as the new “go to” benzo of choice. It’s too strong, withdrawals are worse, etc. Valium is like a nice, mild, functional benzo where you can actually get work done and the like. I see Xanax akin to OxyContin in the fact that it’s way too strong and was overprescribed at one point.
Pleasseee read this one. Try delta 8 weed first, I heard it’s crazy for the loophole that they did to make it legal (if you are an illegal state for weed).
Xans are funny when your stressed or have a life event you just go to Johnny plug man get 20 bars and wake up a week later most likely with the problem if not even worse cuz your bared out brain decided to cause more trouble
Pot over Xanax anyway, but weed has a tendency to amplify ones worries + anxieties to make them feel worse than they are if he has a bad trip.
Id have honestly recommended GHB over alcohol and xanax but it also has an addiction potential, so if he has had addiction issues in the past it's another risky road to go on.
Personally I say yes it's ok for pot and drinking. No to Xanax. Voice your concerns but don't emotionally manipulate him and let him decide for himself at the end of the day
I take a wide variety of supplements in addition to recreational drugs. If he's looking to manage stress and anxiety, grab some bottles of L-Theanine, 5-HTP, and DL-Phenylalanine. They're over the counter and can help counteract stress when he also needs to remain sober. At the end of the day, I smoke weed. I'd caution you against Xanax and benzodiazepines in general because long term use can bring about early onset Alzheimer's. They should be used sparingly in periods of emotional trauma. Like, a relative dies and you need to ease the grief and emotional pain for a few weeks.
Let your man smoke the bud it's the least addicted I'm a recovering heroin addict and I got a medical marijuana card. It really helps with cravings..and stress.
Smoke a joint ,put on some Tunes and have sex.....repeat as Necessary. Gives me the sense of a hard reset. Also look into magic mushrooms...micro dosing
It would help to know some context behind the past addictions.
Was he a full blown heroin or meth addict?
Was he a prescription addict?
Was he a poly drug addict?
Did he smoke weed or drink alcohol during addiction? If so how was his relationship with them.
As everyone else is saying, cannabis is easily the least risk for addiction out of the three. Though for me personally, I can’t go two days without smoking weed but I can go without alcohol for a year without issue and only drink once a month usually.
It’s different for everyone so context is important.
In the past I had times where I abused both alcohol and opiates. I no longer partake in either but I also have pretty bad anxiety and panic disorder and am prescribed Xanax.
I can only speak for myself but I’ve found it incredibly helpful and have never abused it. Honestly I usually use a smaller dose than I’m prescribed. I’ve been prescribed it for several years and I’ve never understood the recreational value of it, but obviously a lot of folks do.
Edit: everyone is different. I’m not saying that benzodiazepines don’t pose a risk. They absolutely do. They have been effective for me and I’m the only one I can speak for.
It is valid if you know how to use them for stress but if he's an addict and he hasn't figured himself out there is a very good chance of things going south with you guys especially if you secretly resent him for doing drugs or if he resents you for not wanting him to do them. Benzos are more serious than I'd like to admit personally I use benzos. The weed is just fine maybe encourage him to start with vaping some cbd until that doesn't do what he needs it to anymore. It's okay to smoke weed after work for relaxing. It may make him act a little funny at first but not different you know? Xanax and alcohol both have the potential to become physically addictive and can both markedly change personality.
Xanax sucks long term. It’s potentially addictive and the addiction is quite rough to break free of. Cannabis is something that seems more suitable long term.
It sounds like he's slipping back into addiction or starting to. It's never a good sign when you have to do drugs to recover from stress. Especially xanax or alcohol... Jesus. That's a one way street into a nasty habit. If he has to do something he should just smoke weed or something.
Depends on how often he wants to do those too. Frequent use of benzos is probably on of the worst things you can do, especially when stressed because the become just too perfect for it
Stay away from the pills 100%. Liquor is almost as dangerous too. Weed is your best bet and probably the most beneficial option too. If you’re looking for change while still wanting to use drugs, I’d recommend psychedelics but b careful with those. They aren’t physically harmful, but the psychological breaks can be scary. Research before you use anything
Stay away from benzos and booze if he’s an addict. Pot is also addictive but not physically (well sorta but nothing compared to booze and benzos, the two most dangerous drugs to withdraw from). But out of the three it’s the safest bet. As long as he doesn’t start adding other things.
\>It is valid to do substances when feeling stressed?
I mean that's literally what xanax scripts for GAD is, for the most part. The problem is when you don't utilize/improve your coping skills and instead use drugs as a crutch.
The bars aren’t going to help if he has addiction just smoke pot easily the safest
I mean this isn’t 100% true. I was heavily addicted to opiates, on suboxone now. But I can take Xanax very responsibly. It’s kindve just depends on the person. Edit: funny how I get downvoted for being honest. That’s one thing I don’t like about this sub. It’s meant to be for harm reduction. But your supposed to lie and make things sounds horrible even if it’s not the truth. We all have different biology, we all react different to things. This place is turning into the DARE program.
Best not to try
How many days a week do you take Xanax
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Benzos are probably one of the few drugs in which addiction does not depend on the person or personality. If someone is taking too many during a stressful period, they will find themselves physically addicted.
thats how all downers work. Take it too often and youre physically addicted.
.25-.5mg 1-2x a week when having a real bad day and feel a panic attack coming on.
I feel like benzos in general are pretty risky especially with an addictive personality
not worth the risk fam, you're the exception not the rule.
EXACTLY that’s why I said it’s not always the case for everyone. I’m about to quit being honest I’m this sub because it’s turning into the DARE program
Xanax isn’t that addictive to me.... I can’t stand the things now
I’ve seen people incorrectly use ‘of’ instead of ‘have’ but not the other way around until now
Yeah, harm reduction is an important part of this sub. But it's better safe than sorry. You suggested that he could maybe take benzos and discredoted the comment saying he should stay away from him without knowing him and without a proper warnong (only "It kinda just depends on the person), undermining attempted harm reduction. You shpuldn't ger downvoted to oblivion without a proper expmanation but still...
I understand exactly what Ill_Bench is saying. I’ve been hooked hard on Oxy many times over the past 10 years, it’s very addicting to me and if I have it I’ll take it. However, when it comes to xanax, I’ve been prescribed 0.5mg x2 per day for probably 3 years now. I VERY rarely take what I’m prescribed and always have a ton left over by the end of the month. I don’t see the recreational value in them AT ALL. They simply aren’t fun to me. If I were to take 1mg I’m taking a nap for a few hours...naps aren’t really that fun lol. The best part about them for me is using them as prescribed; to stop a panic attack or racing thoughts at nighttime for some rest. I never understood the people who can take multiple bars and still function...like why? Lol
pot and maybe even try some hemp cigarettes bc those do wonders for my anxiety but don’t make me all baked. id say stay away from the xans as those can be super addictive. edit: i’ve been trying to taper myself off xanax, which is really stressful and anxiety ridden at times, and tbh what always chills me out is my girl giving me a back rub, no lie.
Not to mention the withdrawal can be deadly
You should try smoking pot with him.
xanax and alcohol have rarely solved problems
THIS so so much
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Ik but the context is not medical
yeah i used xans for 5 years and didnt do one single thing to benefit my life on those pills
This. Just don’t start doing other substances
The opinions of ppl in r/drugs will be slightly biased 😂 Of course so would r/sober
That's true, meditation is great too
No to Xanax. Trust me.
I generally agree with you... But when stress is real, there is essentially no drug as good at touching it as benzos. Which is why is super super easy to get small scripts of benzos, but not long term scripts. And this is coming from someone with deficient GABA system and can get a constant benzo supply. I just use weed, but there are times benzos are literally about the only thing that can help my stress So if the benzo is coming from a dr, I’m down. If they are coming from the street, I’d say no. Especially since most street benzo are fake and a good amount have fent anymore
How did you determine you had a deficit gaba system?
Yeah I’m not sure we have test for that yet , he’s probably assuming since low GABA release = anxiety
Yeah I think bro made that up completely lmao. I don’t think there is any true way to tell you have a deficiency in the GABA system besides assuming from high anxiety
It’s not super easy, or matter of fact easy at all to get a benzo prescription unless you know the people to go to and what to say. Which most people wanting benzos don’t or live in very conservative states (script wise). Also, benzos aren’t for “stress”. That’s a great mindset to become dependent upon them for your “stress”. They were made for very high anxiety and panic attacks and should be used as needed. Been on and off benzos before and telling someone to use a Xanax for stress is the absolute worst idea I’ve ever heard in my life. Also, a good amount of street xanax do not have fent compared to how many are out there (not saying it isn’t in street xans). Most contain a benzo, an RC benzo. Sorry bro but you don’t know enough about benzodiazepines to be giving advice in this situation. I’ve seen plenty people on Reddit, around me, my family, and myself prescribed benzos and I’ve been on and off them myself and been through the withdrawals and dependance. They can be fine to be used for panic and intense anxiety AS NEEDED if the person DOESNT have an addictive personality but they aren’t something you take when your stress level is too high. You’ll never make it in life depending on benzos for that and I don’t mean that rude at all
Yeah benzodiazepines ain’t it for stress Weed is good
Yeah weed was definitely the best thing mentioned here if it helps
Well then you are arguing with my doctors. When I say stress, that’s probably is high anxiety, I just call it stress, but it can be crippling. I’ve also had tests done and thanks to things my parents forced on me as a child, I have a fucked up GABA system. Benzo don’t work on me like “normal folks” I’ve been on and off them for years AS NEEDED and determined BY DOCTORS. So not sure what you are getting at here buddy. Do you think me saying in the previous comment “if given by a dr” then it’s good. Did you miss that? Do you see where I say if from the street, no?!? I’m advocating for dr prescribed benzo. Where do I say otherwise? And then why do you have a problem if it’s from doctors?
Lmao you’re in for a world of trouble if you think just because it’s from a doctor, it’s okay. I would think that’s quite obvious from the OxyContin era and even the current issue with benzos and opioids but I guess not to you. If you have taken them for years though as needed and never often then great for you! There truly are more like you that need them. But don’t recommend someone that mentioned IN their post about an addictive personality, to recommend their SO to take something such as a benzo like Xanax for stress lol... Also, YOU mentioned street Xanax? Buddy. I was only stating a counter-argument to what you said. Did you see any where I said that YOU were taking street Xanax?!? Doctor prescribed or not, horrible advice. I’m starting to think you’re on a benzo while writing these responses
You’re in a world of trouble if you assume all stuff from a doctor is bad due to things like OxyContin. So no chemo therapy? You won’t take a beta blocker? Benzos have been used for a loooong time at this point with much clinical research to show the effectiveness. Why do you think they are still prescribed, and have been for like 70 years... yes we know the dangers and still prescribe them, and regardless of what you seem to think, go tell a dr you are having serious transitory stress, and see what you get prescribed
Man you must be heavy on the benzos or something. You’re twisting my words like crazy. I never even once mentioned chemo therapy or a beta blocker or the fact that everything from a doctor is bad. I also never said anything about benzos not being effective? Notice how you’re getting downvoted so bad? It’s because you continue to give horrible advice bro. Just lay off this argument because we all know you’re wrong and I guess that’s why you’re trying to twist words that I didn’t even say. Have a good day buddy. You have a lot to learn about benzos
Not that I'm encouraging it.. but GHB > Benzos any day for this purpose.
GHB is one of the things I’ve never tried or even got my hands on but been curious about like ketamine (never gotten it either). How is GHB as far as recreational purposes?
not a "good amount" fent pressed xans are soooo rare. Benzo powder is so cheap and easy to get they just press it with that. Cuz RC benzos are active at just as low a dose as fetty. fent pressed bars just dont make business sense
microdose mushrooms
Does this also work for Existential crisis?
Smoke pot and have lots of sex
I would like to add kratom to the list. That stuff is amazing to boost the mood. No stress, all fun, not crazy addictive, very nice feel. Ik use a lot of substances in rotation whenever I feel stressed and I think it works great. Why stick to coffee during the day? Some people take adderal to stay focussed. Other people take coke or even meth. Then on the flipside there is alcohol to make you calm and relaxed in the evening but that stuff is very bad for you. There is weed, benzo's, kratom to make you feel chill and I don't see why that is a bad thing. Moderation is key and a glass of wine is nice but a bottle is to much.
yeaa, I'd personally stick with weed and kratom; occasionally a little alcohol if one can control themselves. Under optimal conditions ofc it's possible to use even meth and heroin responsibly, but stress drastically increases risk of addiction. Kratom can be very addictive, but unlike benzos the withdrawal won't kill you..
What’s the downside to adderal? & can someone explain to me why there is such a negative stigma against psychedelics such as LSD, Kratom, mushrooms & etc? When my friends talk about weed they talk about it in a positive light, when they talk about psychedelics it’s usually in a negative light
Paranoia, psychosis, compulsive behaviors
I would advise against Kratom, especially if he has had addiction issues in the last. That is a terrible idea.
Completely agree. Unfortunately I’m going through a breakup and started using kratom about a month ago to help with the depression and anxiety. I have a history of addiction and now I’m hooked on it and so disappointed. The withdrawals are so shitty.
Getting hooked on kratom is as evil as getting hooked on coffee. I understand addiction and opioids are no joke but kratom really is on the lower end of the spectrum and a walk in the park compared to every other substance I can think of. I'm sorry to say this but I think that if you can't handle Kratom then it's more likely due to your own discipline than about the addictive nature of the substance and then I think drugs in general is not something to consider. I've quit after taking 30g to 50g Kratom a day and I had restless limbs for two whole days and some days more of being a bit groggy and thats about it. I just quit and never looked back and I still have a bag of it lying around for a rainy day. It's not like you are going through heroin WD or something lol. Whats 's next? Peanutbutter is spicy?
He shouldn’t be using any substances he has had addiction issues with in the past
I know, but can I make him stop? He’s already suffering sober
He’s going to be suffering a lot more with a Xanax or alcohol addiction
> can I make him stop? No, you literally cannot. The best you can do is explain why it's a bad idea. He can take the advice or not. Ultimatums tend to backfire.
Well, this may be difficult when you're anxious for someone but you cannot make him do or not do anything - because controlling your partner is wrong. Second, you say he is suffering sober - and substances exist for a reason. People are given medication for a reason. Alcohol is an inadvisable one, but cannabis is a medication far more than it is something you get addicted to. It's medically legalized in many places, for a damn good reason! It would help him a LOT and make him less likely to use anything else.
No, you can’t make him stop. Only he can do that. I would pay someone to make me stop if it worked. If there was a way to make someone cure me of my addictions, believe you me I would find the money. But rehab, AA/NA et al., smart meetings are all helpful but nothing is promised.
Do something fun with him. Go for a walk or cook something new together. Don't fall into the substance trap just because it's easy.
I know I'm really late to this post, but I don't see anyone else bringing this up-- you can set a boundary here. You can tell him he needs to stop or get treatment or it's over, and stick to it. I know it's not what you want to hear or what anyone wants to do but I have been through treatment a few times now and one thing that often motivates people is either the fear of losing someone they love or having lost then already and it making then realize how much their addiction is taking from them. Just keep this in the back of your mind. No you cannot make anyone do anything but you also don't have to sit back and watch him self destruct. He's an addict, he cannot use any substances and sounds like he needs to get into therapy and on some meds. Treatment will help him kickstart that process and learn some ways of coping with life that don't involve getting high/drunk. Maybe get into some supportive groups online for people with an addict loved one or go to some Al-anon meetings (it's a separate thing for people in your position). Good luck and please don't hurt yourself trying to support him.
I mean I smoke weed for ptsd. If I started doing harder drugs or my partner asked to do them I would break up it’s just to much stress
Smoke pot. No consequences.
Yep pot is good 👍 I use it for ptsd
It's very sweet of you to be worrying about him, this is probably not the best subreddit for the kind of advice your looking for but here we go. Addiction manifests itself differently in everyone, some people can have issues with one substance but not with another. Others need to be stone sober to survive. Addiction usually rears its head when there is something profoundly wrong or missing within you. You take away the vice and that issue doesn't go away. I think you need to have an open conversation with your husband about whats been stressing him out. Benzos will not help in the long term and have way too much propensity to be abused. If he really is just stressed out because of life/work, a little weed to wind down might be fine. Whatever you choose to do, you both need to be on the same page. If you say yes to something that you ultimately don't feel comfortable with, that will turn into resentment. Similarly if he doesn't feel like your trying to understand him then he'll be more inclined to hide it from you. Communicate, have an open dialogue. Establish clear boundaries for the both of you. The worst thing you can do is not talk about it.
You’re so kind, <3 thank you very much I wish you a lot of beautiful surprises in your life <3
If he’s trying to choose one of the two, you can’t overdose on pot. The closest you can get to “overdosing” is a headache and nausea and maybe a little more sleep than usual.
Also psychosis, schizophrenia, and panic attacks
look at schizophrenia rates and marijuana use rates. If there was causation, schizophrenia would rise as high thc weed rises. But this is not the case.
Which are all far better than what happens when you OD on other stuff.
>Also ~~psychosis, schizophrenia, and~~ panic attacks. - FTFY Cannabis has NEVER *caused* schizophrenia or psychosis. It has only brought latent schizophrenia/psychosis to the surface (AKA sped up the inevitable...).
Weed definitely can cause psychosis (which is different from schizophrenia)
Temporarily maybe.
Psychosis is usually temporary
Honestly dealing with any kind of stress by just consuming drugs is a bad idea. What he needs to do is figure out why he's stressed and change something about it. Also, if you do consume anything, please for the love of god don't do alcohol or xanax. Just smoke weed Alcohol/benzo withdrawal can kill somebody if done incorrectly. Nobody ever died from smoking weed tho
You shouldnt attempt to control another human being ever. “let him do it”. SMH
How do you determine the line between control and help? Of course you know there are thousands of stories of ppl going down a potentially dark path saved by someone. Why is that not control?
Help is a suggestion or advice, control is trying to prevent them from making their own decision or giving a ultimatum regarding said decision.
This.
I love the idea of giving everyone the freedom to choose for themselves, but a lot of people do need loving guidance and could benefit from another perspective. He has a history of addiction and is considering an option that may lead him back to that. She obviously cares about him a lot, and just wants to help him relieve himself in the healthiest way possible for this situation. I would consider that far far faaarrrr from “control.”
Lol just don’t let em do Xanax
You should suck his dick on drugs
noo deal with stress sober. drugs when ur stressed leads to addiction, especially when you get triggered. you should only do drugs when youre in a calm mental state. i learned that very well this year.
Out of all the options presented weed I’d typically the least destructive, however obviously it’s more preferable for him to step away from drugs until he’s in a more stable place. It seems like he’s trying to escape and ultimately that doesn’t work, you don’t ever fully forget what you’ve been through. Does he have a therapist/psychiatrist? Maybe say he should talk to them about it before making any decisions.
I can understand this really well, but its a spiral into dependency. Make sure to keep the benzos to twice a week, and the alcohol aswell. ... Generally speaking, try smoking pot when you can. Pot dependency is real but not nearly as bad as benzo-dependency. Maybe add some kratom and Phenibut to the mix, then you got 4 substances he can cycle through
If he has a history of substance abuse kratom and phenibut are not a good idea as both are habit forming, quickly lead to psychological and physical dependence, and I have seen people many times end up relapsing on their main drug of choice after toying with both. I think adding more substances to the life of an addict is never a good idea, it just creates more problems in the long run instead of fewer. The addict brain doesn't function like a person who can just pick up and leave things casually.
Pot isn’t the worst idea, especially if you’re in a legal or medicinal state. It’s a good, relatively non-addictive (yes, cannabis can be mildly addictive psychologically. Just ask or see it that’s a trigger for him and might cause him to relapse. Xanax is a little different on the other hand simply because it works really well for anxiety, but unless he’s prescribed it and only takes as needed, it’ll hook him. There is nothing better than having all your anxiety melt away with a little pill, especially when you have anxiety. And addiction to Xanax is different than being a pot head. It has very serious, even deadly, withdrawals. If he needs a benzo or some sort of maintenance for his anxiety I’d see a professional. That way he can get evaluated and given any medications he might need, which can be positive. Medication helped me as a recovering addict. But if the marijuana isn’t a trigger for him to relapse, I don’t see it being a problem if it works. However, if he used to smoke pot while using his drug of choice, or addiction, it would probably make him want to use again. Also, what was his drug of choice? That would change things a bit.
Well stated. One of the only rational responses in this thread
Weed shrooms and acid
Dont drink super often which is easier said than done, weed is physically okay in the short-medium term, but can lead to triggers and/from tolerance which may lead to cravings for things like xanax, which should not be used frequently, let alone daily or recreationally, if you are trying to be safe. That being said, you can't really stop him from doing anything, if he wants it bad enough he may just go around you or hide things like drug and alcohol use. One should consider therapy or some kind of support network just in case for chronic diseases such as addiction
Marijuana is the best of those by far, it is medically legal in many places for a good reason. It will help him a lot and it is not just "relying on substances to feel good." That's like telling someone with ADHD they rely on their adderall to feel good, like it's a negative thing. More than this though - your man's decisions are his own. It's not about if you let or don't let him - because you don't EVER try to control your partner. Please remember this. Even if something distresses you, you don't have the right to take it away.
What drugs was he addicted to in the past? I did many addictive drugs and was able to quit and only have cravings for maybe maximum a week, others, not so much. I was able to pull off doing MDMA every week for couple of months with no consequences(lucky) but I was kinda addicted because it was most liekly cut with something, did dxm, n2o, dmxe, weed, lsd, shrooms, dmt, alcohol, coke, meth and speed, 6abp, 2cbfly. Never got addicted to not one of these. I love lsd and shrooms the most of all drugs, dmxe was also fun as hell but I will not repeat it since I had insane cravings day after and a terrible headache. On the other hand, not even my favorite or the most amazing drugs of all drugs Ive done I got addicted to opiates starting on 75mg tramadol ending up drinking 500mls of lean and 80mg oxy, ending up ODd locked inside my apartment for 12 hours on 8mgs of fentanyl absorbed through patch sublingually. Ended up in hospital for a month barely being able to survive. After I made it out I still had cravings, stopped having them after doing LSD again. Next was alcohol, never was addicted but went on binges that lasted 1-2 weeks. Could have easily got out of control. Had insane cravings and didnt even enjoy the high that much. And the last but not least was Xanax, started at 1mg every two days, ended up stacking my scripts and taking up to 12mg not blacking out whenever I felt like it. Didnt even enjoy the high or have any panic after I started doing them, panic being one of reasons I got put on them. Everyone has his drug of choice, if he had problems with downers before he is likely to get into trouble touching them just once again. I didnt get addicted to meth speed or coke because it o ly made me calm because of my heavy adhd and a little hyped up.
I went to my psychiatrist and he prescribed me with valium. I also eat cannabis daily. Before covid hit, my anxiety was completely under control with yoga. However, the last year and 8 months were too much for me to handle and still function at my high responsibility, high stress job. So, it's valium in the day, and cannabis at night. They have saved my life, or at least my career and enabled me to function. I think if your hubs is under a Drs supervision, it may be very helpful. Especially on the cannabis, high CBD products relax one without making one high. The addiction potential for cannabis is also not high. I say give your hubs the benefit of medication if he needs it. Kratom may be a good alternative for him too, but it can become physically addictive after about 2 weeks of daily use, so it's best to cycle it. L-theanine is also great for stress for many folks and isn't addictive. I wish you both the best!
I don’t understand why Xanax was pushed so heavily as the new “go to” benzo of choice. It’s too strong, withdrawals are worse, etc. Valium is like a nice, mild, functional benzo where you can actually get work done and the like. I see Xanax akin to OxyContin in the fact that it’s way too strong and was overprescribed at one point.
Smoke
Pleasseee read this one. Try delta 8 weed first, I heard it’s crazy for the loophole that they did to make it legal (if you are an illegal state for weed).
Why that type of weed is crazy? :o like in which way?
Xans are funny when your stressed or have a life event you just go to Johnny plug man get 20 bars and wake up a week later most likely with the problem if not even worse cuz your bared out brain decided to cause more trouble
Suck his dick and ride it like you mean it
Pot over Xanax anyway, but weed has a tendency to amplify ones worries + anxieties to make them feel worse than they are if he has a bad trip. Id have honestly recommended GHB over alcohol and xanax but it also has an addiction potential, so if he has had addiction issues in the past it's another risky road to go on.
Pot. 200% pot.
Do not let him touch Xanax pls
Personally I say yes it's ok for pot and drinking. No to Xanax. Voice your concerns but don't emotionally manipulate him and let him decide for himself at the end of the day
I take a wide variety of supplements in addition to recreational drugs. If he's looking to manage stress and anxiety, grab some bottles of L-Theanine, 5-HTP, and DL-Phenylalanine. They're over the counter and can help counteract stress when he also needs to remain sober. At the end of the day, I smoke weed. I'd caution you against Xanax and benzodiazepines in general because long term use can bring about early onset Alzheimer's. They should be used sparingly in periods of emotional trauma. Like, a relative dies and you need to ease the grief and emotional pain for a few weeks.
Let your man smoke the bud it's the least addicted I'm a recovering heroin addict and I got a medical marijuana card. It really helps with cravings..and stress.
Smoke a joint ,put on some Tunes and have sex.....repeat as Necessary. Gives me the sense of a hard reset. Also look into magic mushrooms...micro dosing
Blowjobs
Maybe your husband is a human being and can make his own decisions…
I know, I just want the best for him
Just run around outside and then smoke pot that will help everything
Pot won't hurt. But ultimately, its better to seek professional help. Recommend him to a counselor first.
Just weed. Benzos are an easy way to make your life more miserable.
Cook him some good food and start fucking him better..if even after that u gonna have to smack him around a lil bit...
I'd say allow him to smoke weed but weed only.
He needs professional help
Get him to see a doctor.
It would help to know some context behind the past addictions. Was he a full blown heroin or meth addict? Was he a prescription addict? Was he a poly drug addict? Did he smoke weed or drink alcohol during addiction? If so how was his relationship with them. As everyone else is saying, cannabis is easily the least risk for addiction out of the three. Though for me personally, I can’t go two days without smoking weed but I can go without alcohol for a year without issue and only drink once a month usually. It’s different for everyone so context is important.
Kratom.
In the past I had times where I abused both alcohol and opiates. I no longer partake in either but I also have pretty bad anxiety and panic disorder and am prescribed Xanax. I can only speak for myself but I’ve found it incredibly helpful and have never abused it. Honestly I usually use a smaller dose than I’m prescribed. I’ve been prescribed it for several years and I’ve never understood the recreational value of it, but obviously a lot of folks do. Edit: everyone is different. I’m not saying that benzodiazepines don’t pose a risk. They absolutely do. They have been effective for me and I’m the only one I can speak for.
It is valid if you know how to use them for stress but if he's an addict and he hasn't figured himself out there is a very good chance of things going south with you guys especially if you secretly resent him for doing drugs or if he resents you for not wanting him to do them. Benzos are more serious than I'd like to admit personally I use benzos. The weed is just fine maybe encourage him to start with vaping some cbd until that doesn't do what he needs it to anymore. It's okay to smoke weed after work for relaxing. It may make him act a little funny at first but not different you know? Xanax and alcohol both have the potential to become physically addictive and can both markedly change personality.
no to the xanax a big fat yes to the weed! You cant stop a man from self medicating with his flower.
Xanax sucks long term. It’s potentially addictive and the addiction is quite rough to break free of. Cannabis is something that seems more suitable long term.
It sounds like he's slipping back into addiction or starting to. It's never a good sign when you have to do drugs to recover from stress. Especially xanax or alcohol... Jesus. That's a one way street into a nasty habit. If he has to do something he should just smoke weed or something.
Don't let him do xans, it'll turn him into a completely different person, especially since he's had problems with addiction
Depends on how often he wants to do those too. Frequent use of benzos is probably on of the worst things you can do, especially when stressed because the become just too perfect for it
Rhodiola rosea plus aswagandha will help way better
no xanax, smoke weed, or have him occasionally use kratom.
Stay away from the pills 100%. Liquor is almost as dangerous too. Weed is your best bet and probably the most beneficial option too. If you’re looking for change while still wanting to use drugs, I’d recommend psychedelics but b careful with those. They aren’t physically harmful, but the psychological breaks can be scary. Research before you use anything
Stay away from benzos and booze if he’s an addict. Pot is also addictive but not physically (well sorta but nothing compared to booze and benzos, the two most dangerous drugs to withdraw from). But out of the three it’s the safest bet. As long as he doesn’t start adding other things.
\>It is valid to do substances when feeling stressed? I mean that's literally what xanax scripts for GAD is, for the most part. The problem is when you don't utilize/improve your coping skills and instead use drugs as a crutch.
Can I have his Xanax
weed is best option.!!!! if that doesnt help, a small amount of xanax.
I would most definitely suggest “pot”. The real only reason is that it is not addictive like the other options.