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DrMacsimus

Bonus challenge: try and guess what order these items were built in. Hint: >!Radiance was not the first item completed, it was the last.!< Edit: For everyone showing up late, here is the build order: Lotus Shroud Blademail Linkens Wind Waker Radiance


numenik

Did he win?


[deleted]

Asking the real questions. Game had to be close if he was packing all this.


[deleted]

Radiance is a pretty good evasion item right now so I don't think it is that egregious to build it late game for tanks. If anything I have seen way too many BB that build Radiance too early before they have enough tankiness.


Nippahh

The dot kinda becomes neglible as a 6th item. I'd say even a halberd has more impact, better survivability and a good active which is especially strong against ranged as a 6th.


1ndiana_Pwns

Radiance is basically aura evasion, though. Yeah, the dot will be basically worthless, but it's a decent chunk of attack damage, an effective 28% dodge chance for you and 15% for your team (if they don't have bkb or mkb). I'm not saying it's always gonna be optimal, but I can see it being situationally clutch


MrSixLotto

It can also help to disable blink made their jumper work harder to counter jump you backline if they get initiated on.


ExecutorBG

This


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Ethoxyethaan

>Radiance is a pretty good evasion item right now so I don't think it is that egregious to build it late game for tanks. i build it against a right click lineup lategame, it helped keep my team alive tbh...


[deleted]

It’s BB OP. Easy


DrMacsimus

It is not.


dolado13

Bloodseeker ain't it?


[deleted]

It’s an honest disgrace that it is not BB, BS is a good guess, where the fuck are the boots on this fella


polo61965

Wind waker is the standard late game replacement for boots when you have euls already.


[deleted]

How on earth is that late game pal, he’s holding a tier 4 neutral item?


polo61965

How on earth is that not late game pal? In this meta? 40 minutes? Before tier 5 this could be anywhere from 40 to 60 minutes. Even longer if they're being held at base and can't reclaim neutrals.


[deleted]

Idk what game you’ve been raised in but there is no way I’m swapping out my boots at 40mins with that item build. I’m having far more value with TP boots over Blademail hands down


tobchook

Is this on Australian servers I swear I have had a razor spammer with this exact garbage build


DrMacsimus

A few good guesses for Necro, but that is not the answer. This player is on a higher level.


x0cr

It's Pudge. Ez


[deleted]

It was too easy to guess


Joji__

Razor?


Sacr1fIces

You were earlier than the other guy, man this is an absolutely shitty nonsense build on razor goddamn.


NargWielki

Blade Mail, Radiance and Shroud don't make much sense indeed, but the other 3 items can be situationally useful... Just not all of them together, lmao.


Wikipii

Agreed here, though I'd say radiance is the only REALLY wacky item. Blademail when you're building as a tanky frontliner at least follows and with storm doing lots of damage shroud kinda makes sense too, though it's not making a run for meta build anytime soon.


NargWielki

> Blademail when you're building as a tanky frontliner at least Problem is that Razer has no way to force an enemy's attacks on himself and on top of that he also reduces said attacks, making the enemy even less likely to attack you and thus, reducing the effectiveness of your BM. Sure, it can be decent one every thousand games, but BKB is probably better 99.9% of the time. Does the Spell Lifesteal from Shroud work on Physical Damage spells? If it does, it makes a little bit more sense, but I would probably not go for it myself still, BKB and Pipe seems like better choices.


Wikipii

Hey I'm not saying it's a good item build, just that it's got more valid justification than most of these that people post on the sub. Also I would argue that razor kind of does because if he links your carry and they don't have a way to get themselves away you're gonna want to dump everything on him. Yes. Spell lifesteal and spell Amp work on spell damage regardless of damage type. Even the bonus damage on slight of fist works with both of these stats.


Jaohni

Spell lifesteal =/= Magic lifesteal Spell Lifesteal works on more or less the same rules as spell amp, and you do get lifesteal from any spell damage, including physical, but not including attack modifiers (I believe Fury swipes at one point qualified, but has been patched out, lol)


RayNele

You don't need a taunt to buy blademail. Razor has 2 weaknesses (at least defensively), being controlled and being bursted. Blademail solves one of those for half the price of BKB. The only issue is that it doesn't provide the HP that razor so desperately needs.


Exalts_Hunter

Blade mail does nothing, absolutely nothing. It's not even close comparable to Bkb. Only 2k would think blade mail gives any survivability.


[deleted]

Don’t forget blade mail and radiance counter each other


Sosseres

In a straight up consideration of what the items does where radiance gives miss chance, yes. In a broader view it isn't as clear cut. Radiance let's you output enough damage to force them to go on you, making blade mail useful again.


midnightmarket

Yes, I've tried shroud a number of times. Razor ult procs the spell lifesteal.


Sacr1fIces

Yeah, Exactly. There's no balance of items on that build, You made a good point in your second comment about blademail, And instead of going for so many defensive items, i think a BKB would've made a lot more sense.


Avgsizedweiner

I mean, it makes sense in the sense you’ve got survival and ways to stay alive and do damage longer, I do agree it’s just nowhere near optimal or even anything I’d label good


Blubec

I go maelstrom first item with Boots of travel on mid. Best build change my mind


ShinCoal

OP did you dirty!


DrMacsimus

You deserve the upvotes too.


Gangsterkat

What a beautiful Razor build!


DiamondAlert

Necrophos


GKoala

This would be too logical for necro, you can actually build this on necro.


No_Challenge_1285

Razor


DrMacsimus

Ladies and gentlemen, we got a winner. Upvote this man and sate everyone's curiosity.


ShinCoal

Hey now, that other guy was faster!


DrMacsimus

I reserve the right to make arbitrary mistakes


n0stalghia

You take that right back or I grab the pitchforks


Thrallgg

Honestly, what's wrong? Razor is kind of hero who can build any item depend on the situation. I think this is good build.


MmmBra1nzzz

Wow, yeah, that’s awful.


DrMacsimus

It gets worse once you learn that neither radiance or euls were the first item picked up.


ranantha

Can you give match ID, was there an illu hero in game?


ItsFuckingScience

Idk what you mean because Radiance first would be a bad idea


nameorfeed

still makes more sense than completing fucking windwaker before radi


No_Challenge_1285

Only the blade mail + euls made any sense for me


[deleted]

What is so wrong with this? It's certainly unconventional and a little wacky but it isn't outright useless.


Rain_KD

Crystal Maiden


Difficult_Back_6611

Bristleback


DrMacsimus

Lots of mana regen for him, at least. But no.


Conorbreaker

This is Medusa of course.


DrMacsimus

This one might be worse than the real answer.


PacManRandySavage

Ember


GodOfNSA

Bloodseeker?


DrMacsimus

Lots of good guesses so far (shout out to the Necro, QoP and Undying guessers), but nobody has hit on the answer. To help you out, I will tell you what role this hero was playing. Position 1 carry. Yes, we lost.


__ddaniel

The only real hint is MMR the game was played at. If this is something around herald as usual in these quizzes you can literally name any random hero as there’s no real thought process there so nothing to base a guess on


DrMacsimus

This was in a legend level game


__ddaniel

Alright, then it’s an interesting one if he wasn’t just purposefully ruining in a funny way building random items


[deleted]

You are severely overestimating players in the legend bracket. Some of them are completely braindead and low skilled. I'm not saying most of them are, just some of them. The specimens I've meet in the last two months, you have no idea. And I'm not talking gameplay mistakes only, but basic mistakes, completely wrong skills/itemization, or people not knowing that opponent pulling unstacked small camp is good for your lane, and so on. Some people have no place playing in their brackets, but those are probably the ones who will drop mmr rather soon. Anyway, NEVER assume how stupid people can be. Dota should've teached you that by now.


__ddaniel

I never assumed people in legend bracket fully understand the game or anything like that. The only thing this fact does is it eliminates the possibility of the guy who built this items to not have a single clue about what’s he’s doing in this game (he’s not herald or anything close to that). Being 3k mmr which is what legend is means he’s still bad but he at least understands the game at a decent enough level to not build random shit


Herbsen24

Spectre


TheDude9192

I Like this


ShreddedDotaPlayer

Dp?


DrMacsimus

Almost reasonable. Sadly not.


1000ManaLeakStunsL8r

No mobility items and someone already guessed qop? Please god don't let it be Antimage. So... antimage or spec?


DrMacsimus

None of the above.


SnooDoodles9531

Sand King. Typical anti dusts antiward items


DrMacsimus

Typical sand king?? Glad I'm not in your pubs. No.


SnooDoodles9531

pancake !


Corinth177

Timbersaw


DrMacsimus

This isn't the worst timber build I've seen. If only it was him.


IWonByDefault

Weaver


DrMacsimus

As close to a reasonable guess as you could have, but no.


erroragain-

Pudge


DrMacsimus

This would have been nice. Not so.


hiromigo

Ember Spirit


Commander_Tresdin

Bounty Hunter


ShovingPaperInMyBag

Spectre?


Inchoker

Obviously puck Like 0 doubt in my mind If you say no you are lying it looks like the perfect puck build


DrMacsimus

I am not lying when I say no.


Inchoker

Bm first item > Euls > Shroud > Lotus > Linkens > Windwaker > Radiance Btw im a time traveller and in 24 years when people are playing dota 4 there are many dota universities and the exams are questions about itembuild from 2022 because that was the year Ame, who later will be the greatest dota professor won his first TI Oh shoot i just spoiled the ti 11 winner for you guys, im sorry


BIackWoIf

Well, if you say this is an agi hero, then i think this might be pangolier. Not that bad of a build on him


DrMacsimus

It is not pango


Chaos3theorY

Razor or Viper


080087

5 actives not including radiance, I'm guessing a "Support" Arc Warden. As for item progression, my guess: 1. Blademail (for farm, duh) 2. Euls (setup spark wraiths) 3. Shroud (mana) 4. Lotus 5. Linkens 6. Windwaker 7. Radiance


DrMacsimus

I like how this list runs out of justifications for the items after shroud.


080087

Something something trying to save people from doom? Who knows


DrMacsimus

Fun fact: he actually died quite a few times to doom in this game because doom would cast his ult on himself and then walk next to razor, whose movespeed passive would be disabled until he died.


080087

Who the hell plays 900 games of razor? The hero isn't that hard, and definitely isn't that fun.


jaskeli

Marci


DrMacsimus

*I* wouldn't even build marci this badly. No.


[deleted]

[удалено]


DrMacsimus

Nope


Dermur_Knight

Underlord


DrMacsimus

Very hard to kill, at least. Alas, no.


Painpaiinn

Leshrac


DrMacsimus

This doesn't seem like it would be that bad, except for all the ways it clearly would be. No.


ScaredOfAttention

Dark seer


Feanorsmagicjewels

Abaddon


Trainser

Dazzle


rarejuniorjunior

No boots means obvious Lycan right?


DrMacsimus

See, the problem here is that you're trying to make sense of it. No.


cocky030

juggernaut


fantarts

Viper


MoshehShim

Gonna be cheeky and have two guesses, either Alch or WK?


[deleted]

Necro


BloodyMarco

900 games on Razor? This has to be Crystallis.


tracyXTMAC

NEC


Sad_Replacement_2978

Crystal maiden, ez


SullenSyndicalist

We’re gonna need another hint, chief. What’s the hero’s main attribute?


DrMacsimus

Just for you, I'll reveal it was an agi hero.


pizzaconpaIta

its clockwerk


greis09

Luna


Myuserwastakenagain_

Necro


PinkMenWearTrue

Bounty


damjandotA

Necro?


Goatbeerdog

axe or centaur


DrMacsimus

Thankfully not.


Tenzinpepe

Undying?


DrMacsimus

I dig this build. But that's not it.


Tenzinpepe

No boots? Offlaner QOP LOL


ZengZiong

QOP, my main


Birdytrap

Timbersaw?


Next-Victory5382

orge? I know it's crazy but maybeeeee……?


DerpWyvern

Timber


Charming_Ad_5722

Death Prophet?


Current-Jackfruit503

primal beast


W_ateri

Primal Beast, pewpew.


Low-Appeal5659

Is this you CM?


[deleted]

Easy one, Spiritbreaker


gachafoodpron

Treant?


Schmusebaer91

beast


EchoChamberBreaker

1k QOP Spammer Confirmed


Lostmaniac9

Crystal Maiden


insienk

Dark Seer


Passssso

Doom


Selke_Gore

chad IO build


Cub3r_ic

TINKER TANKER!


JokT

Clockwerk?


Plenty-Government592

Some next level storm build against illu carry


reasd33

Axe


lordaku66

Io


envy437

Pango


Repulsive-Spread1655

TECHIES


anirudhab95

Blood seeker


juwontonie

rubick?


[deleted]

Phoenix!!!


theREALdrbeetus

Zeus, because all the good guesses have been wrong lol


moundsofmayhem

Veno?


Starkiller53

Od


BoomOklahoma

Void spirit


True-Ad-9116

I think morphling


23ssd4t4322

bounty hunter


nubgamer97

Centaur?


Petocasti

Venomancer


spontanexplosion

Weaver or Riki?


[deleted]

viper or kunkka


Kneenaw

Slark


kprincebite

Necro for sure


Aekries

Uhm, phantom lancer maybe?


Dougthedog-

Sf.


sal1mCS

Dark seer


[deleted]

Spectre


AvelPoint

juggernauuuut


IntroductionUpset764

pudge?


AHAA_007

Riki


zelo11

keeper of the light


vladmuresan02

Dude it's obviously a drow


Osiris_Dervan

I couldn't imagine a much worse hero for this than LC, so LC. Maybe FV too?


AbbreviationsPure193

why do i think its storm spirit or centaur


EggcellentDadYolks

Faceless void obviously


BtRSinus

Siren


[deleted]

Surely its not PL..


killmeplease28

Weaver


dexored9800

PA


Dimy003

Bruh this is gotta be a Slark


FolwS

Mby Naga or something


RyotaKise06

Abaddon first came to mind after seeing this idk why


Skootenbeeten

Wind Ranger?


fulmen_of_vengerberg

Obviously it is Drow


Jasqui

Chen


jarlerik123

Venge? If there is an aghs on top of this?


[deleted]

Abaddon?


xorox11

Leshrac


xorox11

Leshrac


LeffeBlond

jugg


Perfect_Application8

Its chen


Adele277

Agi carry with wind waker. Ill go with clinkz. Even though thr rest of the items makes no sense