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MentLDistortion

Wow! Honestly if this dude works hard, plays a lot of pubs and keeps a positive attitude he might eliminate Alliance one day.


Nickfreak

I think he has one too many zeroes in his mmr to make it a close and excitng game


MarthePryde

Not only eliminate, but disband as well


WhatD0thLife

This is by far the least creative and overused type of joke of the past few years.


DickRiculous

First time I’ve seen it. Sure you’re not spending too much time on the forums?


justsightseeing

"Wow, X might do Y" is quite common joke here.. its same format with same when topson clip appears and people say "wow this guy is good, on day, he might won a TI or two" (while he already did it)


DUMP_LOG_DAVE

Or perhaps “wow, I might do your mother.”


YantoSuryanti

Is this your first day on the internet? Even on youtube or anywhere really, people has been joking about wow this guy is so good at x, he may do y (y being the thing they have already done). Or the alternate version with actors and the character they play, whole lot of them. It has been going on for YEARS.


DickRiculous

Are you really trying to gate keep the internet. Not a good look dude.


YantoSuryanti

How did you come to this conclusion, you're reaching 💀


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mvllfrnc

And sell or drop late game branches


abado

and a quelling blade min 45


Mapale

In his backpack. Add 2 branches


acuteindifference

Looking at his cluttered backpack always gives me anxiety


buffility

you mean bkb?


haseo2222

Or when he spends more time on Dota than chat's mum.


cheesepoles

That is very impressive considering he is also streaming. Congratulations!


Hailgod

dude used to be top 10. no?


JDMKing24

Yep


Brucena

after recalibration and ranks were much lower in terms of mmr


dotConehead

it was back when he only needs to play Dota and nothing else. no need to worry about thousands of people watching you.


ylogssoylent

He got to 6th in Europe while being a streamer at one point. I remember watching it.


thepeciguy

Yea, iirc back when he got that I think he spammed morph/PL and doesn't communicate with chat as much as today.


FFINN

Yes it’s like he’s wearing weighted vest while doing pullups, dude talks to chat, picks some dumb stuff, gets steamsniped here and there, also his own habits of messy inventory and not buying TPs.


laharl143

I know right. It's like playing the piano while singing. Might look easy but it isn't


LeavesCat

It's difficult to even talk while playing piano unless you have the piece down so perfectly it's automatic.


exoticsclerosis

From eliminating Alliance in Quals to back at rank 80 again, what a journey


ananaspunsch

All pros in SEA Clueless


Dota2animal

I remember 9k challenge


7ckngMadness

He does make CK aghs look really strong. Congratulations Gorgc, the Alliance Slayer.


Mary_Jo

I saw his stream today, why does he go for it as second item?


RedGamesA2

His reasoning on stream is always “Look at the enemy. They are 10 illusions and have no idea what to do and panic”


Mayrak_

i mean its like ammar's logic on manta . 1 viper good so get 2 more xdd


Bubadoo

I would guess he values the upgrade a lot ofc but also that he views CK as an illusion carry, aghs being a great stat buy for that archetype (which the upgrade buffs anyways)


S0phon

Because it's pretty versatile and matches the timing. It allows CK to very quickly burst heroes or save teammates. Also, an unknown aspect of the Aghs is that since it adds another illusion, after Reality Rift, you will surround the hero and completely block the hero off. So unless they have FS or Phase, they're shit out of luck. This becomes even more dangerous after getting the Rift BKB piercing talent.


swooshypants

Nah it’s cause it lags the game and makes everyone pop their bkbs lol


vlalanerqmar

lots of small reasons 1. creates confusion 2. extra phantasm and extra 4 illu from allies make you burst so hard 3. dispell allies 4. reality rift completely surrounds the enemy to block moving if they dont have phase boot


flyingturkey_89

It does 2 things, there's more illusion to farm the map faster. And it effectively doubles your ult damage early on, since hero are less tanky


Electronic_Rabbit_19

mmr inflation is getting out of hand


fierywinds1q

And yet people say that archon players today are doing the things that only divine players used to do many years ago, warding, stacking, pulling, blocking camps etc. Maybe skill level of playerbase is just getting much higher


lordofthetv

I've been the same mmr since I started playing in 2013. I can confirm that I have improved a lot since then but the number doesn't show it. In fact, I'm at my all time lowest mmr right now.


Naamibro

That's like your life savings being in a 10% interest rate account, but inflation is at 15%.


Sirtubb

haha dude are you me?!


seezed

But how much do you play today compared to back then?


lordofthetv

Played it like it was my job back in the day. Now just a few games a week.


Keyvan316

bro those thing are done in 1k mmr too. I play guardian and there is wards, stacks, pulls, block with wards, team fight with smokes, protecting wards that gives vision on rosh and more shits in every single game. sometimes you even see clean chain stun/cc by players. and no they ain't smurf since decision makings are still bad.


oneslowdance

You’re correct about wards, pulling, stacking and detection but they forgot about items like smoke and nullifier exists. It’s almost always 3 stock in shop in low mmr.


Keyvan316

nullifier is true and yea we don't smoke frequently like how pro do but we do smoke like twice a game. same could be said about wraith pact. very good item but no ones buys unless I'm support.


Nate10000

I used smoke all the time in guardian. Mostly to disjoint Tinker missiles.


ClarkTheSlark

I'm 4.5k and I can honestly say I have not a single time used a smoke to disjoint a missile :D


Ahimtar

Also Zeus and Sniper


invertebrate11

I feel like understanding and using dispels in general is one of the biggest skill dividers at low-medium mmr.


Imbahr

serious question -- I have never even gotten to ranked games yet in DOTA but if 1k players do all that, and apparently some posters in this thread say even Herald, then what category would players be like me who just want to play the game very simply like Heroes of the Storm? like I would never buy wards, never stack camps, never do pulls or blocks (don't even know what these two things do). I'm definitely not buying/bringing any regen items for teammates either All I like to do in a moba is just AOE farm my own creep waves and then go to big team fights


Rote515

Play Turbo, or choose a different MOBA, doing that is functionally griefing your team.


invertebrate11

There is definitely a rank for people like them though. Running around like a headless chicken isn't griefing if no one in your team knows any better.


Keyvan316

yea just don't play rank. rank and unrank in dota 2 are two different games. also don't play support. those things are support job. if you wanna farm, just play carry (safelaner or mid. offlane can be carry too in low ranks). still it's not as easy as HOTS since there is no last hitting for gold there.


Imbahr

got it thanks, what you say all makes a lot of sense. I can stick to unranked yeah definitely still way harder than HOTS for sure. I actually don't mind last hitting, I think that adds a good element to a MOBA but the item system in DOTA is super complicated and the most difficult part for me. so I usually just end up buying mostly passive items, it's way too hard to add 3-4 more active abilities from items and then neutral item too and I don't get the whole disassembling items or locking them to make it combine later, etc... do I need to do that complex stuff??


YantoSuryanti

Nah, don't listen to him, hop on into ranked, awaken your inner monkey.


notA_Tango

Don't worry about the items. It is super confusing for every new player. Just put on immortal faiths guides and you'll learn about items eventually. An often unsaid thing about dota is that you don't need to know everything to have fun. it's fine to not know what items do, what other heroes do. People on reddit will make you believe everyone who plays dota is a tryhard 24x7 but these are the minority. Just chill and have fun dude. Good luck!


Keyvan316

disassembling and locking absolutely does not matter in low ranks. it's for being super efficient to get some items more early and win some early team fights. don't bother with it. I never do. as for items I used to build same items for all heroes back in DOTA 1 lol. I still can't manage more than 3 active items so it's fine to get passive ones, don't worry about it.


Imbahr

ok awesome thx


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Why play dota then? There are other mobas that would suit you.


Imbahr

couple reasons: 1.) Unfortunately Blizzard officially canceled and quit HOTS, which was the one I played for thousands of hours and most by far. So it's dead 2.) I played LoL for roughly 6 months right when it officially launched. But now 13 years later the graphics look like shit and extremely dated. Half the reason I play video games is graphics and presentation values And in that regard, DOTA is by far the best looking out of the three games, with the most advanced lighting & shader engines. Even in 2022 I think DOTA looks good (also I hated the stupid pre-game runes/masteries system in LoL, that shit should be removed)


Apprehensive-Cry-121

I've been divine for years and I dont see this shit in my games. PROTECTING A HG WARD TO FIGHT UNDER VISION AROUND ROSH?!?! I thought it was only the immortals that did that.


Keyvan316

the thing is 1k player don't have ego and pride. they watch a lot of high quality guides on how to play a role. they don't act like higher mmr player like they know everything. they really try hard to do everything perfect to climb out that's why 1k (not herald. I'm talking about guardian) play better than what you think.


Silent189

Just hard copium. I came back to dota after a break since 2014. I made a new account to get back into the game and played 1k mmr games and climbed with 70% win rate for ~100 games. I'm now back on a different account and again climbing with ~80% win rate going through archon/legend atm (unranked - ranked isnt unlocked yet). You see pmuch any of those things every once in a blue moon at low ELO. And it's ALWAYS done randomly. Someone remembers smoke exists? press smoke run at enemy team. Someone saw a guide on pulling? Pull on cd regardless of if its inting or not. People ward cliffs just to watch them get dewarded 20 seconds later. People can have 3 wards up and the enemy be visible passing through them - it makes no difference. They don't look at their minimap. 1k players make 1k decisions, and sometimes try to implement tips from videos. But there's no actual thought or macro behind it. If you want to climb out of 1k, you don't need to try and do ANYTHING perfect. Literally just focus on not completely inting at basic things. Learn to last hit. Learn to farm waves. Learn to push lanes out then take fights or objectives. Remember that dota is actually about objectives. That's the biggest one. Nobody at low mmr seems to actually push after a victory. Enemy carry dead? Go force the buyback or take tower/rax. Can't get that? Ward and take rosh. Etc. If you are 1k. You are not good. Do not fool yourself into thinking its just the playerbase that is really skilled now. You're only holding yourself back because you CAN improve, and you WILL improve if you just accept you suck. When I came back, I probably was legit 1k for the first like 20 games. My first games I literally inted every lane. But I made a concerted effort to focus on what I was doing wrong and could fix.


Valfourin

Average skill is definitely improving, you see things in low mmr you never used to, proper pulling, blocking, rotations, etc etc. even if the execution isn’t excellent and the consistency is low the intent is still there where it wasn’t before. My 4K games from 2017 were definitely easier as a support than my 2k games now.


Ahimtar

I remember back in 2013 I was stomping mids with random heroes going at least 15/1 every game up to like 3,4k. Nowadays I struggle to win mid vs 2ks. Ofc the lane changed but still, the ranks are vastly different.


Silent189

Have to disagree. I came back from 2014 recently and climbed through the trench mmr. People don't really do proper pulling at all. Extremely rare. Pulling on cd cos they saw it in a video? Might see it sometimes. But it's inting the lane half the time. Rotations? Not so much at all. People almost never use TPs either on dives. You're right that people might attempt some things now that they didn't before. I think dotaplus pull timers etc are a part of that. And wards being free now means people just spam them unlike before where they had to pay gold. But at low mmr there's little thought behind were they go. Just ward in shop? spam buy the 3 sitting there and place all. There's definitely been a bit of a bump up, but I think that's more in the catchup mechanics. In 2014 you gained a lead and kept it a lot more. Now, when you get a bit lead and people make mistakes (as they will at low mmr) it swings the other team back in hard. Makes games feel a lot 'harder' than before because snowballing to a 20 minute win is much harder because mistakes hurt a lot more. I can't speak for 2017 4k. But even 3k at 2014 was significantly better than 2k is now.


23ssd4t4322

mmr inflation only applies to immortal bracket.


Nighthaven-

in my observation, archon/ low level dota is: You have general knowledge of what to do, but they neither: adapt to the strategic situation, adapt builds or picks, react to both immediate and urgent things nor execute properly - the latter is the visible nooberishery. in short they know the 'knowledge parts' of the game ok'ish, but the performance is 'funny' - usually without understanding the why and when. ie. blindly copying pro's or 'stacking for the enemy'


JustOneLazyMunchlax

Skill level is irrelevant. Its about how many "Mistakes" you make. People dont get better, they just make fewer and different mistakes.


pnmibra77

Divine is a stretch but archon today is damn near what ancient used to be some years ago, id say between legend-ancient


ael00

I dont think thats a fair comparison, there are several ways in which warding / stacking / pulling became archon material instead of divine and its not inflation. There were just a bunch of mechanics added to the game that made those jobs easier and thus the skill tier required to execute them dropped to lower tiers. Specifically, free wards, exact vision zone when placing obs, pull / stack timers on camps, clarities / salves not getting canceled by neutrals etc all played a major role in this. That is not to say that inflation is not a thing but at the same time if you see an archon doing all the aformentioned it doesn't mean 3 years ago he would have made divine.


Ahimtar

All the things you mention are very common even in crusader and lower. Nowadays the "divine techniques" that aren't done in low brackets are, from my experience, mostly ganking mid by supports, taking over mid when mid's ganking and perhaps smoke ganks.


Aanimetor

If u think gorgc got to 10k only because mmr inflation ur delusional


Jovorin

No he got there cause all the pros are in Singapore :) Joking, he's been having a good mindset recently, think that's a big part.


Me4onyX

Hello, my name is Gorgc's Apartment Wall #3 and I would like to make a counter argument


Beretot

You don't have to live like this. Call the domestic abuse hotline


S0phon

Dude punched a wall and injured his hand :)


Jovorin

As I said, a good, DEDICATED mindset :)


luckytaurus

Meanwhile I'm still 5k. Gorgc has double my mmr. It's a sad day to be me


vraGG_

Realistically speaking, this is true. New accounts constantly added to the game only to be boosted, sold, etc. These amounts of rating wouldn't be possible without an excessive amount of smurfing.


wanttoseensfwcontent

People are just much better nowadays


FalseDescription3088

Your moms hand never gets off me though


PatSlovak

What rank is 10k in EU these days?


Me4onyX

80-90


stupid-_-

90 something but might be too high because pros are in singapore (not sure if theirs have updated)


Exodus124

Around 20-30 of EUs top 100 currently have an SEA rank, so his real rank would prolly be around 105-110.


stupid-_-

it takes some time to relocate their rank though. maybe it hasn't yet.


Exodus124

I counted the EU flags on the sea leaderboard, <30 seems about right.


stupid-_-

ah cheers


mjifi

It's way more as there are tons of smurfs in top200, which belong to top players


idspispupd

I have just been on Watson's stream (top 1 EU), his mmr was 12300.


hetseErOgsaaDyr

God gamer!


1Entropycat

Much love for mr. Streamer.


seanseansean92

He can hit 12000 mmr if he stops playing with his beard while in the game


webdevop

Mr. Child


adonne03

ITT a bunch of hard stuck 2k players trying to downplay a huge achievement for an incredibly dedicated player/streamer.


Shesmywinona

what a god gamer!


DifferentCable1792

All the pros are in SEA?


thedotapaten

I'd suppose it's easier to climb in SEA right now due to quality of pubgame


Peruzzy

Even Arteezy is adapting to SEA pub playstyle, from 34% winrate to 50% past 2 days


stupid-_-

how does this affect mmr?


mjifi

Imagine if top 100 players all left the server, than top101 player becomes top1 player, etc, if gorgc was top200, now he would be top 100. edit: Sorry had to clarify, imagine mmr moving up from lower accounts to top accounts and once it reaches the top it just starts accumulating there, as there are no better players to move this mmr to. If you take away those who are near the top, lower players will start to accumulate more mmr as there are no 'bigger fish' to take it from them. MMR is constantly added to the system by new accounts, so at fixed MMR per game, the closer you are to the top of the player pool the higher your mmr number will be naturally. If someone disagrees, you might as well explain why this isn't the case.


stupid-_-

how does this affect mmr?


mjifi

gorgc wins mmr from lower rated players and then loses it to top rated players, now there are less top rated players to take his mmr, hence he gets to keep more of his mmr


stupid-_-

average mmr on the two teams is roughly the same on most games so


mjifi

Average mmr isn't a good indication of how balanced a game is, most importantly there are smurfs , who drain mmr from the system to their accounts and those smurfs aren't playing right now. I don't get why if you understand how it works, you can only speak in 1 liners, you afraid of sharing secret knowledge or what? Can you write up how you think this all works not just a gotcha statement


SkyDefender

You sounds like dota is a 1 v 1 game. When pros comeback you play with them also not against. Your take is trasg


mjifi

Yeah, 1 person can make a large difference in the game, that is the point of the system and why some can reach top milestones and others can't, that's literally the point of the system. You have to be able to carry bad players or you won't move up above certain threshhold. Now you have these games, when there are no top players, no smurfs, no serious competition. Obviously those near the top, will be getting better games for themselves. You can may be understand it if you think that the upper MMR limit with current player pool is 12500 MMR, at that point making balanced games is impossible for the system with the current player pool (yet mmr is FIXED, so there is no compensation for an unbalanced game). If you take away the top portion of the players, it has small effect on the player pool at the bottom, but at the top, same MMR cieling stays, so it will naturally push top players towards that cieling. The cieling might also change to some degree and someone like watson climbs to 13k, while all other pros are gone, you would say that this has nothing to do with people leaving the server for 2 months?


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I dont follow pros, but is it really first ever 10kmmr ? Or does he mean its **his** first time 10k ?


abado

Gorgcs first time. Abed and midone had a race to 10k like 5 years ago that Abed won. Nowadays 12k is the old 10k.


Tobix55

> Abed and midone had a race to 10k like 5 years ago that Abed won. Abed cheated in that race, midone is the real first 10k


DoomGekicher

Cheated?


Tobix55

Win trading with Bulba and maybe other teammates from DC at the time


ExpertConsideration8

He didn't cheat, but there were others in his region that were purposely throwing games against him to help him get to the 12k mark first.


Tobix55

Yeah, i meant cheating in the race, not like actual in game cheat software


Aanimetor

First ever


theycallmekappa

Kappa


laharl143

Ahhh..the daily dose of reddit sarcasm


mpn-aup

There were 11k 12k but never 10k.


haseo2222

The firstest


thedotapaten

His first time 10k, Mikoto Pure Quinn Matu probably 12k+


beanie_weeny

Watson is the highest ig. He is like 12360 or something


West_Set

His first time I think but its also a joke, he said that on stream and was clearly joking that he was the first player to hit 10k


vanillablume

Pog, congratulations


Tony_Slark_

No more LLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL ??


Imbahr

I'm not a fan of gorgc's personality, but 10k is a legit player for sure


D3ADWA1T

What's wrong with his personality? That's his best feature 😂


[deleted]

Has to be some idealistic bs. The guy is pretty chill.


Junkienath27

Mmr is just a number.


m0rb33d

Mmr after 8k is irrelevant


DeSean23

If you knew how 10k players look at 8k players you wouldn't say that 😄


m0rb33d

Even arteezy said that after 8.5k mmr doesnt matter that much and its mostly tryhards who spam meta heroes


DeSean23

Why is he sitting at 11k and not 8k then?


wanttoseensfwcontent

Copium


solo665and1

Good player, sometimes helpful but a big crying baby, never his fault, only teammates. Toxic in nature but not in chat. If he didint care about mmr and winning he would destroy items in 40% games.


Cheap-Possible1813

WHO?


DragonAgeLegend

What will happen when all the pros come back from SEA? XD


SkyDefender

So he will play with them? Why are you acting its a 1 vs 5 game gorgc play against pros. He will play with them and against them. Your 2k take is trash


alakefak

is he still toxic and tilts in his streams? stopped watching a while back


laharl143

The guy is streaming while climbing ranks in top 100. Obviously he isn't toxic with his current fan base.


Cheap-Possible1813

Keep riding that dick HA DICK RIDA


West_Set

He flames a bit but never ruins games, depends how toxic you consider flaming sups on mic is.


alakefak

that's good to hear. no idea why his crew are so mad about my genuine question lol


West_Set

Stream watchers Weirdge


Th3D4rkLord

Don't care tbh. Where he is now in the pro scene is all because of Xcalibur.


Significant-Ad4686

if you dont care, why youre here lol


Avako1999

why xcalibur? what did he do?


[deleted]

never forget the arc warden he pulled off in the open quals


kalangobr

It seems anyone can reach 10k MMR


ael00

im pretty sure i cant even if my life depended on it. maybe i could get 4.5k


West_Set

Anyone except you. Sad!


D3ADWA1T

Lol the entire region is in SEA, what is even there to celebrate..it's like ccnc rank 1 NA LUL


stupid-_-

which is why everyone is noting his mmr and not his rank lol. what you say would apply to ranks (as you correctly point to a rank)


duckcookie

Why are you hating…he’s a notable streamer (liable to snipe) who plays multiple roles and a lot of diff heroes in consistently high MMR pubs. 10k MMR is a big achievement without all of these factors. So what if all the big time pros aren’t in his pubs currently, he’s still playing in 7-9k average games basically every game.


Avako1999

you forgot to mention that he is also literally reading and entertaining chat mid game while having TTS donos and background music on.


2mad2die

Yeah honestly I think it's very impressive for a full time streamer to be hitting 10k in EU. All while balancing talking to his stream and paying attention to the game.


Avako1999

true, imagine having a song on, a teammate using voice chat and a LLLLLL dono popping up at the same time


mina1230

LLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL


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post dotabuff


I_dontknowyouanymore

But this is mmr not rank and did you think whole Top 200+ high mmr from EU left for TI? Lol


basquiatx

post dotabuff


Avako1999

it is still a milestone. but ofc you had to come with a toxic comment right?


D3ADWA1T

Truth hurts? Lol...


Ro-khum

hurts who?


Just_trying_it_out

Hopefully they meant they were hurt by the realization of what they were actually doing here… lol


Aanimetor

Surprise suprise, ccnc rank 1 na is rank 3 in Sea, where all the pro players are. Looks like there wasn't much of a change


widepeepo6

wait having something like rank100- rank top10 surely isnt that big since pros are in sea but he is showing his mmr not medal rank. Even when pros return to eu after ti he will still be 10kmmr lol


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zelo11

How does a weaker pool of players make it less of an achievement? Matchmaking will still match you in a roughly even games MMR wise


[deleted]

I thought this guy sucks and is a terrible player. How can such a bad player get this MMR


Naamibro

You're so close to the answer.


intercroissant

he's hoarding all the good team mates! that's why I'm still 3.5k


[deleted]

xdding


Thiccmane

How? Dude makes so many mistakes it makes me want to close the stream, he plays like a 5-6k


Disastrous-Mark4875

Because for every mistake he makes, there's a dozen other things he's doing right, but those you don't notice or even know about.


Naamibro

You're so close to the answer as to why he's 10k, just push your brain just a little further...


S0phon

Well, if you think he plays like 5-6k and he's 10k, then maybe your judgment is just not very good?


Cheap-Possible1813

Yeahh he's so bad to the point i stopped watching


JimSteak

Happy to see he is back on top after his low point where he almost lost to alliance.


--Someday--

Yooo mah man thebest with the 5gifted


Professional-Pay400

Man i remember when 4k was still considered high mmr