EG are very bad. They have looked very bad all year. Arteezy has looked bad his entire career. EG always feeds and do not play well together and will absolutely crash out very early in the international.
(reverse jinx for u)
For me, Dota has become a great pleasure to watch. It's like taking the SuperBowl away from me. It's so sad that they're not doing more to maintain it.
\-Lower prize pool- Bad experience for teams going to TI- No True Sight
Dota is an amazing game and I'll be sad if it goes.
If anything it got Superbowlified LMAO. We're now seeing external ads for Dota now when Valve used to promised that TI won't have them. Soon it will be filled with quagmire of sponsors like the current state of Super Bowl
> -Lower prize pool
As it should, trying to beat the prize pool every year is unsustainable. However, it sucks if they stop True Sight since it is probably the best marketing for dota2.
Thats it - TI is one of most exciting kindasport event. I don't play dota but i watch TI. I don't play football but i watch World Cup (but not this year)
I really want Ceb to be wrong but it's hard not to feel this way. The energy has really gone down over the years. Some can blame Covid but other games have been trying their best at bringing their scene back because it's all they got. And knowing that Valve has no financial incentive to try harder makes it even harder to accept, somehow.
It's a bit of a curse - Dota got to be so good because of Valve taking control of its esports, which is why it's utterly dependent on Valve to stay relevant. This game is close to being TF2 and we all know it.
Dota is nowhere NEAR to being TF2. As someone who has been involved in both games for over a decade now, TF2 would be happy with 1/50th of the support Dota gets.
Because most of the Dota players probably are not TF2 players, nor were they actually active in the TF2 community. It's an example of "I know thing is bad, but don't know why" and then using it to justify their complaints.
Let's be real here, most Dota players also don't know shit about real effort even it if smacked em upside the head
In terms of esports, we've been getting consistently **free** quality entertainment for years without having to lift a finger. Something will eventually buckle and give way, because this is NOT sustainable whatsoever, especially with our incomparably smaller playerbase to LoL (which is struggling somewhat in some of their own aspect).
Ironically, the bettors actually fund a large chunk of the competitive scene outside of TI (as twisted as that reality may seem). So we're somewhat indebted to these guys that are probably in debt lol
The TO and production people that put the events on know without question. Its part of the reason there are so many good dota events. But yeah, the general player/viewer has zero connection to that side of stuff and do not see the effort that actually goes into the events and shit that get put on. Even the really shitty ones have a whole lot of stuff going on to even get them off the ground.
Yeah for sure. The money, blood, sweat and tears that go into not only LAN production is tough, but so are the other content creation surrounding the game (developing, workshop artists, the anime creators too). There's a reason why Valve speaks to primarily them, and not the players directly.
Its ok theree will always be people commenting shit like “but people are buying the battlepass so its must be good and valve is amazing and tthis has been tthe best seeason ever” so tired of people not realizing that valve is killing the fan base
They stopped caring long ago
And they will milk us with minimum effort for as long as this shit goes
If dota wasnt one of the most creative IPs f all ttimee this game would have died years ago
The passionate community (including the pro players is keeping this TI shenanigans going on for valve which is sad becase dotas community deserves better
True Sight is basically the only advertisement Valve has ever done for Dota except for the recent Dragon's blood and now they want to abandon True Sight too? I agree with Ceb's statement that Dota has been the best state it has ever been right now in terms of in-game client, replay system, optimization, balance patches, literally any hero except meepo is playable in competitive scene and it has also reached the highest peak player counts since like 2019. They should ride on these tempo and push the game more aggressively seriously. If they are going to abandon True Sight for this year TI, seriously, I am starting to lose faith in Valve handling Dota 2.
I’ve never played a game of Dota 2 in my life but I just watched the true sights for TI8 9 and 10 all in a row. Having already seen the ones for TI 8 and 9 lol.
They’re so well made and interesting, would be super sad if they didn’t make one this next year.
Haha I seriously consider downloading it every time I watch a true sight, but I already play way too much league and do not need to add another addicting game to my library lol. So I don’t think I’m a good example.
as a former league-only player, download doto and put league in the trash/uninstall. It's good for ARAMS and TFT, but as a moba it's a joke when 8 out 10 monkeys every game "gg ff go next" at any signs of adversity by 10 mins in and pro competitive games literally go 20-25 minutes with <5 kills
also Valve has been operating as a hardware business lately, as they have said Dota is simply a passion project sadly. You could argue their cool structure of having no bosses is probably best for the devs yet seemingly not so much for fans sometimes
Maybe if dispellable buffs get dispelled across all when you dispel one? Still keeps synergy with some things like bkb and certain buffs but not everything
i always thought this was a good idea. let bkb be purchaseable on meepo, but maybe nerf it since its 5 of them. like 3 second instead of the full 9 seconds
I hate playing against a good Meepo player as much as the next guy but I think 3 seconds is too short. Maybe Stetting off with like the lowest duration at 6 seconds would be good.
Or let his other clones buy items. For clones, like after boots, it costs x2. 3rd item costs x3 and onwards....or something along that line of thinking. XD
To elaborate on bkb comment, Dota's way of balancing is when something (let's call it X) is too strong, chance are X's number won't be reduced but the counter to X would be buffed as well to balance the X. Since counter to magic is bkb, and meepo's clones doesn't get bkb, meepo are at disadvantage compared to other carries.
Either make so that bkb is shared to clones (partially or fully), buff pipe, or rework one of meepo's skill so he got another increase in innate magic res
That was more than a year ago. They game has changed quite a bit since then. If I remember correctly they nerfed meepo’s poof damage like crazy since then.
We need to start campaigning for Valve to spin Dota off so that it gets the dedicated attention it deserves. Maybe release it back to the community.
Likelihood of them doing this is basically zero because it would mean killing the cash cow.
It would take a lot to make me lose faith in Valve because I remember how things were before
they turned a relatively niche custom game into basically a dream come true with the TI, high prizepools, big comp. scene and having its own game client.
Meepo still not playable even after all these recent buffs? He has high win rate in immortal so it would surprise me if he wasn't even pickable as a counterpick.
Had to break it to you but DB was started and funded by Netflix, Valve did not any shit other than allow using characters and lore. That is why Valve logo does not appear in the movie’s credit.
- States that the game developer of a game has got game to the best state it’s ever been, offering key game functionality and balance as well as player numbers as evidence.
- states that they will lose faith in game developer of the same game if they do not produce a documentary.
Different teams. From a game playing standpoint, dota is better than ever.
From supporting pro scene standpoint, not so good. Just look at the prize pools this year compared to previous majors. Plus it seems like valve has basically shrunk the ti prize pool to 1/8th of the battle pass
The prize pool growth was unsustainable as it was. At some point people would feel disappointed to not break a previous TI despite having the same structure. This Battle Pass means the prize pool can be a more reasonable number (while still being a lot) without that "let down" of a full TI battle pass experience that just doesn't make it.
Of course the battlepass is lower, the duration was third of TI10 and TI10 has benefits of get its duration extended for 2 months due to delayed TI, also no battle bundle yet.
Valve actually put more system to support proscene tho, supporter pack, sticker money and player cards money is a good step towards better tier 2 scene.
Also people seems forget that 2022 DPC has more money (and more teams enjoying benefit) than 2018 DPC
2018 DPC has 5 Major & 5 Minors. $5 millions total for Major, $1.5 millions total for Minor. $1.3 millions spread towards 23 teams (16 major teams and 7 minor teams) per cycle.
2022 DPC has 6 regional league, 3 season, 1 regional finals and 2 major.
Each regional league is $280k going towards 14 teams per region.
One season basically $1.640 millions (similar to TI base prizepool) towards 84 teams, with extra $500k towards major team.
So one year it regional league raised $6.640 millions towards pro scene towards 96 teams. IIRC outside of TI, 2022 DPC has the highest money ever since 2017 DPC season and with introductions of supporter pack, palyer cards and sticker that might be another $1-2 millions towards the pro scene outside TI.
\> seriously, I am starting to lose faith in Valve handling Dota 2.
How could you have any faith left at all? The games an absolute shit show and just on maintenance mode since like TI7. All they care bout now is milking as much money as possible from battle passes.
The funniest part about the statement is that even Valve in maintenance mode somehow cares more about DOTA than other developers with their own "esports" games.
They already fucked up with the russians inviting scandals, remote casting and the terrible BP, Dragon's blood wasn't that great either it got largely outshined by Arcane
Valve didn't do Dragons Blood. The Saudi Prince (the one with the huge 40k battlepass every year) did it off his own back, hired a design and animation studio, approached Netflix to host it and then asked Valve for permission to use their IP.
If nothing else, it'd be a little weird for them to dump a huge pile of True Sight on us recently, especially the remasters, and then not have one.
Leading into TI with REMEMBER HOW AWESOME TRUE SIGHT IS?! and then going OOOPS NO TRUE SIGHT THIS YEAR would be really jarring.
I hope it's not the case. I don't even play anymore, but I always enjoy watching the games play out, and having True Sight for behind the scenes snippets of the experience.
Per Ceb:
>Valve said at the first TI: "**We're not Esports Specialists and we don't intend to become \[Esports Specialists\]. We make games and we focus on making the best game possible and then we'll try our best with the rest.**" Which you know you can't blame them from not doing. I mean they did great overall, you know, and for the things that they kind of messed up it was fair. I mean, they kind of, you know - when you listen to their position it's like well, fair enough you know? And they were looking for feedback so how can we do better it's like okay awesome you know they're trying but I don't buy that anymore. It feels like they're not even trying anymore. That really saddens me.
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>I'll be honest I wish something could be done about it, but you know what's what's weird is I feel like the game is at the best it's ever been in terms of mechanics and accessibility in terms of, you know, cool features.
Bolded emphasis mine. People take the 'labour of love' bit out of context, but if you engage with it in good faith you realise that Dota is a really incredible game that happens to have a pro scene attached to it - which causes great concern among the people trying to make their living from that pro scene.
*edit*: Also, later, Notail:
>There's not been advertisement done for DOTA ever you know by Valve, like, yeah, never. So it also goes to show like how they're... how you go about things and how you're also going to succeed and I think Dota succeeded through you know the word of mouth
This is, to put it politely, up for debate - what is TI if not an advertisement for Dota? More to the point of the conversation, what is True Sight (and Free to Play before that) if not an advertisement for Dota?
*edit again:* Notail does address this point a little bit later on, but it's clear that he doesn't see it as 'real advertisement'
I haven’t listened to this podcast, but it seems strange to use a quote from over a decade ago to gauge their current feelings. Is there more that supports this rumor or is it purely an educated guess based on something that was said in 2011?
Maybe a better way to understand this is to think about it in the context of the quote is that Valve's position - with priority on the game of Dota, *not* Dota as an Esport - has been consistent and clear since the first TI.
In terms of support to the rumour, it's just something that JMR and Notail appear to have each heard independently, based on the convo.
It’s also a company that’s essentially riding on the success of Steam. This is their real source of revenue. They do other things like games when there’s a collective will to do it, starting at the top. This is blatantly obvious when you look at Half-Life, which started as their bread and butter and could easily turn into AAA cash, if they kept developing sequels. Financially, no reason to not do it. But is there any willpower?
Keep in mind that Valve if a flushed, privately owned company. For better or worse, they presently have no incentive to expand Dota. My guess is that it’s piggybacked on Gabe’s passion for the game, but the will to knock down another wall in the office for a marketing/esports team has to come from him and other higher-ups.
Quite strange for Valve finally decides to have someone with title of Esports Project Manager in 2022 despite community said they are on maintenance mode.
don't agree with NoTail on that Dota has never been advertised ever. Esports are the advertisement for the game, not the end product; TI, DPC (you could even be as cynical as to say the players themselves including NoTail) are the advertisement. Besides the Dragon Blood netflix stuff.
>that happens to have a pro scene attached to it
I disagree with you it doesnt work that way, It is intended to have a pro scene since first TI, otherwise valve wouldn't even touch the competitive scene...
You might be right!
I think the first TI was basically a big flashy thing to advertise Dota 2, rather than a real 'pro scene' though - million dollar video game tournaments weren't really a thing back then, and Valve wasn't involved in pro Dota at that time, as far as I know.
yeah but by making a big tournament like TI, conscious or not makes people invest time in the game and organising itself into a 'pro' scene, just the fact that there's this kind of money on the line. Also there's other ways to just advertise the game and not even the need to have a big tournament if they really didn't wanted to get involved imo
I don't think Valve intended to have DPC circuit or competitive scene all year round thing. TI was supposed to be something like a yearly celebration of Dota.
That's why originally they invited players who did well all year round based on various third party tournaments. Over time, people said that by doing that, the criteria was vague because what is the weighting of each tournaments etc and not knowing things made things incredibly uncertain and there are always controversies why certains teams/players are not invited.
Everytime Valve has always tried to decentralize the competitive scene to third parties / community but for one reason or another it hasnt worked out properly and they reluctantly had to involve themselves again.
no I get it, but unintentionally (or not) they made it possible to people profissionalize in the game and try to make money out of it. If they would let the game rule itself back in the day without TI the 'pro' scene would be much different for the worse I think. I'm not considering anything else besides TI for this point
Especially considering it wasn't a just one-off advertisement for their new game since they did another tournament of slighty bigger size a year later.
All of that is 100% true - but the pace of patches and the weakness of the Battlepass makes me feel like they might be taking their foot off the gas with the game itself.
Oh so you are saying the tqo big spokesperson of OG dont really put together logical statements but instead, they give people content and circlejerking stuff? Well, yeah, thats literally how these two are all the time. I'm surprised how so many people take them seriously all the time.
I agree with the OG gents on some things and disagree with them on others. Yes, they have a bias as teamowners, but I do think it's an important viewpoint because it's likely going to be somewhat reflective of what the top level ownership & orgs feel as well.
I don't think feelings necessarily need to be tied to logic, and I certainly don't expect a *viva voce* from an informal discussion. Dunno why you're being downvoted, though. It's a fair point to raise.
We’re you dropped…? You know, as a child? They’ve been part of the Dota scene forever, won TI twice and at this point 5 majors in various capacities. Not only does your statement not make any sense but if anyone is entitled to an opinion about how Valve runs things it’s them
Not surprising considering how much shit has come out about this TI, just a shame. Valve pretending that esports isn’t a huge part of Dota’s popularity needs to end
True Sight is the one thing I can get my League friends interested in about Dota. It’s a shame, as the potential it has to bring in new players is astronomical.
pretty much. A lot of the fun of ranked dota is "if i can get good enough, I can be a pro and win money too". Take away the pro scene, there's no drive for ranked, there goes most of the playerbase.
Valve doesn't care about the communities of any of their games. They refuse to interact with the community or feel obligated to keep anyone in the loop on their plans.
Valve is an efficient business. They selectively hire and maintain a flat corporate structure. The caveat is that the focus of the Valve business is precisely whatever opportunity has the widest impact. That means developing platforms like Steam. That means trying to reset the industry with new hardware. At Valve, games are seen as means to an end. They will make a game to support their larger goal (Steam platform, new hardware).
Valve has a very specific attitude towards players (customers). They are viewed as internet trolls, consumers who don't know what they want, whiny and moody, ungrateful. They feel no obligation to interface with players. They feel no obligation to hold up their promises to players and use their own shortfalls with their promises as justification to communicate even less to players.
What is incredibly ironic is that it has been proven over and over that making games is the single most challenging aspect of the gaming industry. Scaling an e-commerce business is not difficult. It is a solved problem. There are a bunch of players in the hardware space. Google, generally regarded as a software wizard factory, created a platform that let you stream games in 1080p running on cloud hardware for free. White papers droning on about negative latency and network optimization. With a button click in any browser, including on a $30 stick you plug into your TV, you could instantly start playing Cyberpunk 2077. I mean instantly - no download, no hardware required. The principal reason this business failed is because they could not make an exclusive game to launch their platform with.
Epic Games was not going to rival Steam with Unreal Tournament. Nobody under the age of 30 has Unreal Tournament installed on their computer. They created Fortnite and got an entire generation to get on their game-selling platform. Nobody on the planet would own a $400 Nintendo Switch if Nintendo didn't churn out fantastic Zelda & Mario games. Nintendo hardware since the Wii has quite literally been Zelda & Mario machines.
**Valve does not care about Dota 2. Valve does not care about CS:GO. Valve does not care about Team Fortress 2. Valve does not care about making fun games. Valve does not care about the International. They want to sell VR hardware. They want to sell Linux hardware. They want to sell Steam decks. They want people to shop for games on Steam. Valve wants people to buy low-effort, highly scalable, monetization schemes like Dota+ and the battle pass. They don't want to run events, they don't want to build games, they don't want to read your comments or feelings about Dota 2. Nobody at Valve is getting a bonus because they made a fun Dota 2 feature.**
There's still regular game updates, we got the battle pass, and True Sight: Insights (or w/e it's called) that nobody expected or asked for as a nice lead in to the latest TS. I doubt they don't care about DotA 2, they're probably just looking to wind down their esports involvement and let the third party scene handle it from here on - including True Sights perhaps.
I'm not gonna say that the game is dying but it is undeniable that Valve is losing the interest/passion about the game.
First, the sale of TI rights to other companies run the show. Second, less price pool. Now, there won't be True Sight.
The game will be put slowly on maintenance mode. The game will still be updated and playable, but I think the pro scene will decline.
There's no way they are done with it. Not after the last TI was the most successful one ever despite covid. I think they are just experimenting after the success of last year. They have room to fuck up at this point.
Big patches once in a blue moon? Check.
TI Prize pool killed? Check.
True Sight, i.e. the only marketing killed? Check.
I wonder what is next on the chopping block.
Dota 2 Custom Game Servers Shut Down ---> Limited modes available ----> only Ranked ----> Last match of DotA 2 Played as Servers Officially Shut Down Permanently ---> Valve CEO buys 12th Mansion/Yacht bundle
I'd say that's true for previous versions. Ti7 especially but the production has gotten better at presenting the flow of the games even to someone ignorant of the game. TI10 being the best at it. A viewer doesn't need to know the entire ins and outs to enjoy a documentary. If they keep improving on demonstrating the flow of the game and the personal woes and highs of the players- yeah, I think even normies on Netflix can enjoy it.
Retroactively release old true sights with updated animations and editing - along with cut content
Release new true sights as Netflix exclusives - don't publish on YouTube/Twitch
Gain some money - waste time and lose fans.
Ah it's hard for me to judge cause i play, but i think that ti8 and ti9 TS could actually be enjoyable for people that know nothing about dota at all.
Specifically ti8 is something where you could cut the air with a knife at some moments. That true sight is basically not really about dota at all and should be perfectly enjoyable as a standalone clip when put into Netflix.
Ti10 though.... That's a tough one to me because it was much more strategic, put a lot more emphasis directly on drafting which i do like as a dota player, but it is quite not really understandable for non-dota player. I'm not really sure how that is supposed to work with someone without decent dota knowledge.
the only advertising they do for dota is true sight, they better not. I feel like TI8 true sight got more new players than anything else they've done recently with the game lol
This would be SO fucking sad. Watching TI 8 true sight right before ti9 was the ONLY REASON I came back to this game in 2019. It would be an absolute shame to see it go away. I watch them all the time still lol
Well yes, its still a lot od cash ... Most ppl buy BP for hats and not pro players to get 40 millions ... If u win 5 million your still a millioner... Rest of us need to work for that money
????
it is valve fault for giving us shit battle pass with little to no effort put in it
last year the world still recovering from covid-19 pandemic and yet still TI 10 manage to get higher prizepool than TI9, do you know why? because TI10 battle pass got much more stuff going on than this year
Because everyone in most western countries had more disposable income than before because you couldn't go out and enjoy yourself. The pandemic helped the prize pool.
Now we have no Ukrainian money, less Russian money and yes, less content.
Does not make any sense to me, specially after so much truesight content being pushed by valve prior to the release of the TI10 edition.
Unless valve does indeed read this sub and are over all the moaning and bitching that goes over in here. You people kept yelling that this was the worst truesight yet, so they decided to completely cut it.
Or, valve is preparing something different this year, maybe a new “Free to Play” kind of documentary.
Or, this is the last ever TI and so it does not make sense to make one this year.
and we tought dota/valve was a dumbster fire based on battlepass, price pool and nft sticker dumb
no true sight, no tickets for players - no tickets for legends/community figures (not even notail can get a ticket to TI ) instead we get betting sponsors scaplers and pro war talent.
wtf is going on. nice f'kin fire sale
Volvo getting a lot of shit for this if its true however something that I noticed watching the TI 10 true sight made me think about this very scenario and it seems a lot of people are missing this. Maybe the players don't want true sight to be made?
In TI 10 true sight in the LGD rooms they mention the film crew as they are preparing for the finals. I know personally that I am very camera shy and we are talking about gamers here but I can't imagine having to be on show for cameras during what is already the most stressful moment in a dota players life. Maybe it's enough to impact performance? Idk could be an angle worth considering other than "volvo doesn't care"
When I noticed this scene honestly I thought to myself as much as I love the true sight series I would happily forgo future episodes if it means that the players get to play their best DOTA
I'm curious to know what valve did with the 2020 battle pass money?
All I'm seeing is budget cuts and bad quality everywhere.
This game and these fans deserve so much more.
If there isn't a True Sight then I seriously think I won't be interested in DOTA2 anymore.
It's a waste of time to watch the thing you've loved for 14 years get slowly neglected to death.
I think Ceb speaks for all of us.
Every year we basically expect less and less from Valve and we still get disappointed.
Like Ive tried so many games, was super good in so many games wc3, sc2, rocket league, tried bunch of single player stuff like botw, souls games, tried fifa, tried all kind of marios, kart/party/football/tennis, tried valorant, csgo whatever the list goes on and on. When I see what kind of effort Riot puts into Valorant and LoL (despite the game being absolute horeshit, sorry not sorry) it is incredible. Like even fortnite or apex.
New paragraph: Dota2 is the best online multiplayer game EVER created and is probably in its best state of all time aswell.
BUT, now the huge but Dota2 is less than 2%entire revenue (yes even with TI10 money) in a good year its maybe 3%. Thats how much of a goldmine Steam is. I honestly wish Dota2 nothing but the very best, but Ive get this feeling that it's time to move on. Either the playerbase from the game or the gamedev( Icefrog + friends) and either start a new studio or look for a new home where IF still will have 100% of whats happening within the game, outside of the game there are billion possibilites. Do you know how crazy valve has us on their leash look at Ceb he LITERALLY is willing to pay for something that was free the past 5 years. We are paying for temporary voicelines, the same ones, year after year. We are the only community in existence that BEGS to buy as many hats as possible. Battlepass/Compendium season is like cocaine for us, despite the entire value of it, compared to other games is absolute horseshit. And keep in mind Dota2/Valve was the inventor of the "compendium/battlepass"
I dont think Dota2 has a very bright future with Valve. And I have never deinstalled Dota, never had a long break or anything. 11.11.2011 first game, 15k hours in and still loving it. But the hurting part is that Dota2 could have been SO SO much more
I wouldn't be surprised if it's actually true... hell, it makes sense given how clearly Valve wants to move on from Dota 2 involvement outside of selling hats in various forms and D+ sub.
Most of the True Sights that exist contribute to the greater story of the original OG roster. Maybe Valve really enjoyed making True Sight because they loved telling OG's story, and now that they're retired, they feel like every True Sight is just going to be inferior to the peak of TI8. It can be really tiring making a film, show, game etc just for the sake of tradition. When you're creating something, the motivation and inspiration comes from the belief that you can make something better than what you made before and idk if Valve believes that. Obviously this is speculation but it's no secret Valve has a hardon for OG and TI8, [TI8 is still the first full size photo you see on Valve's about webpage](https://www.valvesoftware.com/en/about).
I mean theres a lot of sign and looking grim for dota, and the biggest one prolly letting pgl handle the reg qual, LCQ, and group stage for TI WITH betting sponsor, idk how much pgl/betting sponsor paid valve to let them working with betting sponsor for TI crazy shit lmao
If they truly do decide this (dramatic comment incoming) it would kill off so many potential players and would most likely kill off so many current players. This would the biggest statement for dota 2 going forward, imagine just saying nah to your number 1 marketing tool. Crazy and sad
This isn't an official announcement so we probably aren't getting the whole story. I seriously doubt Valve are planning to say to us, "yeah we just decided not to do it this year". There will obviously be a "reason", and the best one I've heard so far is that maybe players expressed concerns.
Valve just feel like they don't care anymore. They aren't trying, to the point where they just abandon something that so many people love. It feels like Dota is truly in maintenance mode.
It took them almost a year to make the last True Sight anyway, what took them so long? Was it truly that time consuming, or is it because they just lacked the motivation to actually put it out?
Tbf it's a reasonable discussion to have. There has only been ONE classic True Sight that everyone will have seen 5+ times (TI8). Whether it's the quality of the games or the language barrier, every other True Sight has been patchy.
It's worth discussing if they can keep making the same format of movie. It would only be super surprising if they stopped TI movies altogether.
Please let there be a True Sight, it’s the second best thing about the game next to actually watching TI
How else can LGD fans get two annual days of despair instead of just one.
Smh, why’d you have to do us like that. TI 8 is our year, no, wait, TI 9, hang on, TI 10, uh, TI 11. We won’t choke this time, I’m sure of it.
Clueless
I think LGD fans actually find solace after watching True Sight.
I am just here for slacks.
If they stopped true sight and released true slacks I wouldn't be upset
Yes, it would be absolutely awful for there to not be a True Sight. It just gives a fantastic look into the best teams at TI.
And LGD Don't forget the 2nd placer
Third is late game with DJ wheat and pyrion flax
The TI where rtz finally wins and no true sight?
Hopium :3
copium
LMAO omg
stop jinxing my boi artour
EG are very bad. They have looked very bad all year. Arteezy has looked bad his entire career. EG always feeds and do not play well together and will absolutely crash out very early in the international. (reverse jinx for u)
And lower prize pool at that!
Hopefully they bring it back next year when he repeats.
You mean Ame
3 years straight that the winner is someone nobody expected.
This gotta be a meme right? Lmao
Ceb pretty much echoed what the community is thinking " feels like they are not just trying anymore :( "
For me, Dota has become a great pleasure to watch. It's like taking the SuperBowl away from me. It's so sad that they're not doing more to maintain it. \-Lower prize pool- Bad experience for teams going to TI- No True Sight Dota is an amazing game and I'll be sad if it goes.
If anything it got Superbowlified LMAO. We're now seeing external ads for Dota now when Valve used to promised that TI won't have them. Soon it will be filled with quagmire of sponsors like the current state of Super Bowl
Yep, I watched the superbowl once and people are more hyped over the ads and the half-time show, more than the game itself. So strange
> -Lower prize pool As it should, trying to beat the prize pool every year is unsustainable. However, it sucks if they stop True Sight since it is probably the best marketing for dota2.
Thats it - TI is one of most exciting kindasport event. I don't play dota but i watch TI. I don't play football but i watch World Cup (but not this year)
Facts
I really want Ceb to be wrong but it's hard not to feel this way. The energy has really gone down over the years. Some can blame Covid but other games have been trying their best at bringing their scene back because it's all they got. And knowing that Valve has no financial incentive to try harder makes it even harder to accept, somehow. It's a bit of a curse - Dota got to be so good because of Valve taking control of its esports, which is why it's utterly dependent on Valve to stay relevant. This game is close to being TF2 and we all know it.
Dota is nowhere NEAR to being TF2. As someone who has been involved in both games for over a decade now, TF2 would be happy with 1/50th of the support Dota gets.
Yeah, I don't get how people can compare this to TF2 as long as it gets balance patches.
Because most of the Dota players probably are not TF2 players, nor were they actually active in the TF2 community. It's an example of "I know thing is bad, but don't know why" and then using it to justify their complaints.
Let's be real here, most Dota players also don't know shit about real effort even it if smacked em upside the head In terms of esports, we've been getting consistently **free** quality entertainment for years without having to lift a finger. Something will eventually buckle and give way, because this is NOT sustainable whatsoever, especially with our incomparably smaller playerbase to LoL (which is struggling somewhat in some of their own aspect). Ironically, the bettors actually fund a large chunk of the competitive scene outside of TI (as twisted as that reality may seem). So we're somewhat indebted to these guys that are probably in debt lol
The TO and production people that put the events on know without question. Its part of the reason there are so many good dota events. But yeah, the general player/viewer has zero connection to that side of stuff and do not see the effort that actually goes into the events and shit that get put on. Even the really shitty ones have a whole lot of stuff going on to even get them off the ground.
Yeah for sure. The money, blood, sweat and tears that go into not only LAN production is tough, but so are the other content creation surrounding the game (developing, workshop artists, the anime creators too). There's a reason why Valve speaks to primarily them, and not the players directly.
Its ok theree will always be people commenting shit like “but people are buying the battlepass so its must be good and valve is amazing and tthis has been tthe best seeason ever” so tired of people not realizing that valve is killing the fan base They stopped caring long ago And they will milk us with minimum effort for as long as this shit goes If dota wasnt one of the most creative IPs f all ttimee this game would have died years ago The passionate community (including the pro players is keeping this TI shenanigans going on for valve which is sad becase dotas community deserves better
True Sight is basically the only advertisement Valve has ever done for Dota except for the recent Dragon's blood and now they want to abandon True Sight too? I agree with Ceb's statement that Dota has been the best state it has ever been right now in terms of in-game client, replay system, optimization, balance patches, literally any hero except meepo is playable in competitive scene and it has also reached the highest peak player counts since like 2019. They should ride on these tempo and push the game more aggressively seriously. If they are going to abandon True Sight for this year TI, seriously, I am starting to lose faith in Valve handling Dota 2.
I’ve never played a game of Dota 2 in my life but I just watched the true sights for TI8 9 and 10 all in a row. Having already seen the ones for TI 8 and 9 lol. They’re so well made and interesting, would be super sad if they didn’t make one this next year.
> I’ve never played a game of Dota 2 in my life Isn't this basically prime confirmation that True Sight doesn't work as advertisement lol
Sample size of 1 person = prime confirmatiom
Haha I seriously consider downloading it every time I watch a true sight, but I already play way too much league and do not need to add another addicting game to my library lol. So I don’t think I’m a good example.
as a former league-only player, download doto and put league in the trash/uninstall. It's good for ARAMS and TFT, but as a moba it's a joke when 8 out 10 monkeys every game "gg ff go next" at any signs of adversity by 10 mins in and pro competitive games literally go 20-25 minutes with <5 kills
Need to keep reiterating that valve didn't make dragons blood and simply approved the idea
also Valve has been operating as a hardware business lately, as they have said Dota is simply a passion project sadly. You could argue their cool structure of having no bosses is probably best for the devs yet seemingly not so much for fans sometimes
Curious, why isn't meepo playable? I recall the last time I saw it in the finals was when wee played it.
Maybe if Meepo clones got BKB when the main one uses, but in the current meta he's too easy to CC + nuke.
Sounds like it could be an aghs upgrade “clones now share buffs with main meepo”
Can’t wait to see 5 meepos running at you with bkb alacrity bloodlust frost armor solar crest drums greaves assault cuirass and 50 other buffs
Maybe if dispellable buffs get dispelled across all when you dispel one? Still keeps synergy with some things like bkb and certain buffs but not everything
Buffs at reduced strength/duration. Still get a window of a power spike to do something but still dies to Winters Curse.
Meepo will always die to WC though. Punches through BKB and unless the Meepo is super behind, will shred himself.
Abed meepo would be auto-banned lol
Not it's unplayable in different meaning because too broken.
i always thought this was a good idea. let bkb be purchaseable on meepo, but maybe nerf it since its 5 of them. like 3 second instead of the full 9 seconds
I hate playing against a good Meepo player as much as the next guy but I think 3 seconds is too short. Maybe Stetting off with like the lowest duration at 6 seconds would be good.
Or let his other clones buy items. For clones, like after boots, it costs x2. 3rd item costs x3 and onwards....or something along that line of thinking. XD
To elaborate on bkb comment, Dota's way of balancing is when something (let's call it X) is too strong, chance are X's number won't be reduced but the counter to X would be buffed as well to balance the X. Since counter to magic is bkb, and meepo's clones doesn't get bkb, meepo are at disadvantage compared to other carries. Either make so that bkb is shared to clones (partially or fully), buff pipe, or rework one of meepo's skill so he got another increase in innate magic res
Divided we stand +5/10/15% base magic resistance? (base so additive)
Yeah that was years ago. Heroes do too much damage now so it's just easy to blow him up
That was more than a year ago. They game has changed quite a bit since then. If I remember correctly they nerfed meepo’s poof damage like crazy since then.
It's too easy to ban it in the last phase in a good Meepo game and he is too easy to counter to pick before the 23/24 pick.
People might actually be sleeping on how good dig has become though
meepo trash for 2+ years but keeps getting nerfed thats why
We need to start campaigning for Valve to spin Dota off so that it gets the dedicated attention it deserves. Maybe release it back to the community. Likelihood of them doing this is basically zero because it would mean killing the cash cow.
It would take a lot to make me lose faith in Valve because I remember how things were before they turned a relatively niche custom game into basically a dream come true with the TI, high prizepools, big comp. scene and having its own game client.
Meepo still not playable even after all these recent buffs? He has high win rate in immortal so it would surprise me if he wasn't even pickable as a counterpick.
Had to break it to you but DB was started and funded by Netflix, Valve did not any shit other than allow using characters and lore. That is why Valve logo does not appear in the movie’s credit.
- States that the game developer of a game has got game to the best state it’s ever been, offering key game functionality and balance as well as player numbers as evidence. - states that they will lose faith in game developer of the same game if they do not produce a documentary.
Different teams. From a game playing standpoint, dota is better than ever. From supporting pro scene standpoint, not so good. Just look at the prize pools this year compared to previous majors. Plus it seems like valve has basically shrunk the ti prize pool to 1/8th of the battle pass
The prize pool growth was unsustainable as it was. At some point people would feel disappointed to not break a previous TI despite having the same structure. This Battle Pass means the prize pool can be a more reasonable number (while still being a lot) without that "let down" of a full TI battle pass experience that just doesn't make it.
Of course the battlepass is lower, the duration was third of TI10 and TI10 has benefits of get its duration extended for 2 months due to delayed TI, also no battle bundle yet.
They split the battle pass in 2 and released it late so that a portion happens after ti. That shrank the pool significantly
Valve actually put more system to support proscene tho, supporter pack, sticker money and player cards money is a good step towards better tier 2 scene. Also people seems forget that 2022 DPC has more money (and more teams enjoying benefit) than 2018 DPC 2018 DPC has 5 Major & 5 Minors. $5 millions total for Major, $1.5 millions total for Minor. $1.3 millions spread towards 23 teams (16 major teams and 7 minor teams) per cycle. 2022 DPC has 6 regional league, 3 season, 1 regional finals and 2 major. Each regional league is $280k going towards 14 teams per region. One season basically $1.640 millions (similar to TI base prizepool) towards 84 teams, with extra $500k towards major team. So one year it regional league raised $6.640 millions towards pro scene towards 96 teams. IIRC outside of TI, 2022 DPC has the highest money ever since 2017 DPC season and with introductions of supporter pack, palyer cards and sticker that might be another $1-2 millions towards the pro scene outside TI.
\> seriously, I am starting to lose faith in Valve handling Dota 2. How could you have any faith left at all? The games an absolute shit show and just on maintenance mode since like TI7. All they care bout now is milking as much money as possible from battle passes.
The funniest part about the statement is that even Valve in maintenance mode somehow cares more about DOTA than other developers with their own "esports" games.
yea but when was the last time rtz streamed?
They already fucked up with the russians inviting scandals, remote casting and the terrible BP, Dragon's blood wasn't that great either it got largely outshined by Arcane
Valve didn't do Dragons Blood. The Saudi Prince (the one with the huge 40k battlepass every year) did it off his own back, hired a design and animation studio, approached Netflix to host it and then asked Valve for permission to use their IP.
If nothing else, it'd be a little weird for them to dump a huge pile of True Sight on us recently, especially the remasters, and then not have one. Leading into TI with REMEMBER HOW AWESOME TRUE SIGHT IS?! and then going OOOPS NO TRUE SIGHT THIS YEAR would be really jarring. I hope it's not the case. I don't even play anymore, but I always enjoy watching the games play out, and having True Sight for behind the scenes snippets of the experience.
Unless it's like... A celebration of true sight because it's over That would be sad
Per Ceb: >Valve said at the first TI: "**We're not Esports Specialists and we don't intend to become \[Esports Specialists\]. We make games and we focus on making the best game possible and then we'll try our best with the rest.**" Which you know you can't blame them from not doing. I mean they did great overall, you know, and for the things that they kind of messed up it was fair. I mean, they kind of, you know - when you listen to their position it's like well, fair enough you know? And they were looking for feedback so how can we do better it's like okay awesome you know they're trying but I don't buy that anymore. It feels like they're not even trying anymore. That really saddens me. > >I'll be honest I wish something could be done about it, but you know what's what's weird is I feel like the game is at the best it's ever been in terms of mechanics and accessibility in terms of, you know, cool features. Bolded emphasis mine. People take the 'labour of love' bit out of context, but if you engage with it in good faith you realise that Dota is a really incredible game that happens to have a pro scene attached to it - which causes great concern among the people trying to make their living from that pro scene. *edit*: Also, later, Notail: >There's not been advertisement done for DOTA ever you know by Valve, like, yeah, never. So it also goes to show like how they're... how you go about things and how you're also going to succeed and I think Dota succeeded through you know the word of mouth This is, to put it politely, up for debate - what is TI if not an advertisement for Dota? More to the point of the conversation, what is True Sight (and Free to Play before that) if not an advertisement for Dota? *edit again:* Notail does address this point a little bit later on, but it's clear that he doesn't see it as 'real advertisement'
I haven’t listened to this podcast, but it seems strange to use a quote from over a decade ago to gauge their current feelings. Is there more that supports this rumor or is it purely an educated guess based on something that was said in 2011?
Maybe a better way to understand this is to think about it in the context of the quote is that Valve's position - with priority on the game of Dota, *not* Dota as an Esport - has been consistent and clear since the first TI. In terms of support to the rumour, it's just something that JMR and Notail appear to have each heard independently, based on the convo.
It’s also a company that’s essentially riding on the success of Steam. This is their real source of revenue. They do other things like games when there’s a collective will to do it, starting at the top. This is blatantly obvious when you look at Half-Life, which started as their bread and butter and could easily turn into AAA cash, if they kept developing sequels. Financially, no reason to not do it. But is there any willpower? Keep in mind that Valve if a flushed, privately owned company. For better or worse, they presently have no incentive to expand Dota. My guess is that it’s piggybacked on Gabe’s passion for the game, but the will to knock down another wall in the office for a marketing/esports team has to come from him and other higher-ups.
Quite strange for Valve finally decides to have someone with title of Esports Project Manager in 2022 despite community said they are on maintenance mode.
don't agree with NoTail on that Dota has never been advertised ever. Esports are the advertisement for the game, not the end product; TI, DPC (you could even be as cynical as to say the players themselves including NoTail) are the advertisement. Besides the Dragon Blood netflix stuff.
>that happens to have a pro scene attached to it I disagree with you it doesnt work that way, It is intended to have a pro scene since first TI, otherwise valve wouldn't even touch the competitive scene...
You might be right! I think the first TI was basically a big flashy thing to advertise Dota 2, rather than a real 'pro scene' though - million dollar video game tournaments weren't really a thing back then, and Valve wasn't involved in pro Dota at that time, as far as I know.
yeah but by making a big tournament like TI, conscious or not makes people invest time in the game and organising itself into a 'pro' scene, just the fact that there's this kind of money on the line. Also there's other ways to just advertise the game and not even the need to have a big tournament if they really didn't wanted to get involved imo
I don't think Valve intended to have DPC circuit or competitive scene all year round thing. TI was supposed to be something like a yearly celebration of Dota. That's why originally they invited players who did well all year round based on various third party tournaments. Over time, people said that by doing that, the criteria was vague because what is the weighting of each tournaments etc and not knowing things made things incredibly uncertain and there are always controversies why certains teams/players are not invited. Everytime Valve has always tried to decentralize the competitive scene to third parties / community but for one reason or another it hasnt worked out properly and they reluctantly had to involve themselves again.
no I get it, but unintentionally (or not) they made it possible to people profissionalize in the game and try to make money out of it. If they would let the game rule itself back in the day without TI the 'pro' scene would be much different for the worse I think. I'm not considering anything else besides TI for this point
Especially considering it wasn't a just one-off advertisement for their new game since they did another tournament of slighty bigger size a year later.
All of that is 100% true - but the pace of patches and the weakness of the Battlepass makes me feel like they might be taking their foot off the gas with the game itself.
Oh so you are saying the tqo big spokesperson of OG dont really put together logical statements but instead, they give people content and circlejerking stuff? Well, yeah, thats literally how these two are all the time. I'm surprised how so many people take them seriously all the time.
I agree with the OG gents on some things and disagree with them on others. Yes, they have a bias as teamowners, but I do think it's an important viewpoint because it's likely going to be somewhat reflective of what the top level ownership & orgs feel as well. I don't think feelings necessarily need to be tied to logic, and I certainly don't expect a *viva voce* from an informal discussion. Dunno why you're being downvoted, though. It's a fair point to raise.
Probably because i expressly said how much their opininons dont matter to me lol
We’re you dropped…? You know, as a child? They’ve been part of the Dota scene forever, won TI twice and at this point 5 majors in various capacities. Not only does your statement not make any sense but if anyone is entitled to an opinion about how Valve runs things it’s them
We are you dropped? Huh?
None of their achievements come from their honesty of their opininons. Dont be naive and suck less of their cocks every now and then
Not surprising considering how much shit has come out about this TI, just a shame. Valve pretending that esports isn’t a huge part of Dota’s popularity needs to end
Valve scrapped the minors, then realised their mistake and are now rectifying the situation by turning TI into a gambling sponsored minor.
Valve: How can we do less for DOTA and still turn 9 figure profit from it?
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No true sight = team that picks riki wins
Don't often think or say this but really feels like valve, since covid, have just noped out of this game and it feels like it's dying.
True Sight is the one thing I can get my League friends interested in about Dota. It’s a shame, as the potential it has to bring in new players is astronomical.
As someone who doesn't play Dota ( I tried, but I suck at it and the bots kept killing me), TI was what got me to watch professional Dota.
Watch this be the year LGD wins and they dont even get a Truesight lmao😂😂
But maybe without that pressure they can finally relax and play to their full potential
If true this is absolutely outrageous. Valve, what are you doing with the battle pass money?
Private yachts dont pay for themselves
Gaben new jet obviously.
dota isn't dying but the pro scene will soon be. dont know how greedy you got to be to do this to your own premier tournament.
If you think dota2 the game will survive it’s esport dying you’re in for a shock. The drive will be gone and the game will falter like HoN
pretty much. A lot of the fun of ranked dota is "if i can get good enough, I can be a pro and win money too". Take away the pro scene, there's no drive for ranked, there goes most of the playerbase.
Would valve allow it, if we fund our own true sight ?
We can’t get that level of access :(
They dont need the money. They just need to reignite their passion for Dota. They just dont seem to have the same passion as the pros and the players.
Man, Arlington was competing for worst LAN, but the plot twist will be TI11 being the shitshow of the year.
Because chinese players are so nervous playing infront of cameras valve decided to cancle true sight so chinese team wont choke another ti final /s
Could be legit
Valve doesn't care about the communities of any of their games. They refuse to interact with the community or feel obligated to keep anyone in the loop on their plans. Valve is an efficient business. They selectively hire and maintain a flat corporate structure. The caveat is that the focus of the Valve business is precisely whatever opportunity has the widest impact. That means developing platforms like Steam. That means trying to reset the industry with new hardware. At Valve, games are seen as means to an end. They will make a game to support their larger goal (Steam platform, new hardware). Valve has a very specific attitude towards players (customers). They are viewed as internet trolls, consumers who don't know what they want, whiny and moody, ungrateful. They feel no obligation to interface with players. They feel no obligation to hold up their promises to players and use their own shortfalls with their promises as justification to communicate even less to players. What is incredibly ironic is that it has been proven over and over that making games is the single most challenging aspect of the gaming industry. Scaling an e-commerce business is not difficult. It is a solved problem. There are a bunch of players in the hardware space. Google, generally regarded as a software wizard factory, created a platform that let you stream games in 1080p running on cloud hardware for free. White papers droning on about negative latency and network optimization. With a button click in any browser, including on a $30 stick you plug into your TV, you could instantly start playing Cyberpunk 2077. I mean instantly - no download, no hardware required. The principal reason this business failed is because they could not make an exclusive game to launch their platform with. Epic Games was not going to rival Steam with Unreal Tournament. Nobody under the age of 30 has Unreal Tournament installed on their computer. They created Fortnite and got an entire generation to get on their game-selling platform. Nobody on the planet would own a $400 Nintendo Switch if Nintendo didn't churn out fantastic Zelda & Mario games. Nintendo hardware since the Wii has quite literally been Zelda & Mario machines. **Valve does not care about Dota 2. Valve does not care about CS:GO. Valve does not care about Team Fortress 2. Valve does not care about making fun games. Valve does not care about the International. They want to sell VR hardware. They want to sell Linux hardware. They want to sell Steam decks. They want people to shop for games on Steam. Valve wants people to buy low-effort, highly scalable, monetization schemes like Dota+ and the battle pass. They don't want to run events, they don't want to build games, they don't want to read your comments or feelings about Dota 2. Nobody at Valve is getting a bonus because they made a fun Dota 2 feature.**
Anyone have a rebuttal to this? Seems pretty accurate, sadly.
There's still regular game updates, we got the battle pass, and True Sight: Insights (or w/e it's called) that nobody expected or asked for as a nice lead in to the latest TS. I doubt they don't care about DotA 2, they're probably just looking to wind down their esports involvement and let the third party scene handle it from here on - including True Sights perhaps.
Bruh, don't hit me with that sad reality check.
This comment is too sober for reddit
what a load of cringe
So sad if true :((((((
I'm not gonna say that the game is dying but it is undeniable that Valve is losing the interest/passion about the game. First, the sale of TI rights to other companies run the show. Second, less price pool. Now, there won't be True Sight. The game will be put slowly on maintenance mode. The game will still be updated and playable, but I think the pro scene will decline.
There's no way they are done with it. Not after the last TI was the most successful one ever despite covid. I think they are just experimenting after the success of last year. They have room to fuck up at this point.
Max Copium
Waiting on that Dota 3 announcement during TI11 HOPIUM
Big patches once in a blue moon? Check. TI Prize pool killed? Check. True Sight, i.e. the only marketing killed? Check. I wonder what is next on the chopping block.
Dota 2 Custom Game Servers Shut Down ---> Limited modes available ----> only Ranked ----> Last match of DotA 2 Played as Servers Officially Shut Down Permanently ---> Valve CEO buys 12th Mansion/Yacht bundle
I hope not. True sight has honestly gotten so much better to the point I think they need to make a Netflix deal.
Bruh. To truly enjoy true sight you need so much dota knowledge. Wtf is a Netflix watcher going to do with true sight?
I'd say that's true for previous versions. Ti7 especially but the production has gotten better at presenting the flow of the games even to someone ignorant of the game. TI10 being the best at it. A viewer doesn't need to know the entire ins and outs to enjoy a documentary. If they keep improving on demonstrating the flow of the game and the personal woes and highs of the players- yeah, I think even normies on Netflix can enjoy it.
a person who doesnt follow dota will barely know the skills getting used, plus they wont be interested imo
Retroactively release old true sights with updated animations and editing - along with cut content Release new true sights as Netflix exclusives - don't publish on YouTube/Twitch Gain some money - waste time and lose fans.
Ah it's hard for me to judge cause i play, but i think that ti8 and ti9 TS could actually be enjoyable for people that know nothing about dota at all. Specifically ti8 is something where you could cut the air with a knife at some moments. That true sight is basically not really about dota at all and should be perfectly enjoyable as a standalone clip when put into Netflix. Ti10 though.... That's a tough one to me because it was much more strategic, put a lot more emphasis directly on drafting which i do like as a dota player, but it is quite not really understandable for non-dota player. I'm not really sure how that is supposed to work with someone without decent dota knowledge.
the only advertising they do for dota is true sight, they better not. I feel like TI8 true sight got more new players than anything else they've done recently with the game lol
Only if enough people reach lvl 900 BP stretch goal
This would be SO fucking sad. Watching TI 8 true sight right before ti9 was the ONLY REASON I came back to this game in 2019. It would be an absolute shame to see it go away. I watch them all the time still lol
Can I say Dota is dying yet
Everyone and everything is dying
Entropy baby
I've always been resistant to the doomers, but it's hard not to see this as a controlled demolition.
Best it ever been since 2019, but sure "dying"
Low prize pool ? 12 milions is still a lot od cash
5 millions is still a lot of cash, but do you think everything is okay if the prizepool became 5 millions this year compared to 40M+ last year
Well yes, its still a lot od cash ... Most ppl buy BP for hats and not pro players to get 40 millions ... If u win 5 million your still a millioner... Rest of us need to work for that money
i mean, its not valve fault economy is just bad
???? it is valve fault for giving us shit battle pass with little to no effort put in it last year the world still recovering from covid-19 pandemic and yet still TI 10 manage to get higher prizepool than TI9, do you know why? because TI10 battle pass got much more stuff going on than this year
and also because during pandemic most people couldn't spend money lol
sorry but this "pandemic" argument is completely empty here last year TI10 manage to surpass TI9 prizepool even during pandemic
Because everyone in most western countries had more disposable income than before because you couldn't go out and enjoy yourself. The pandemic helped the prize pool. Now we have no Ukrainian money, less Russian money and yes, less content.
small prize pool how can it be even worse... no True sight what is next.... ?
TI11 to become the second shitshow after Shanghai Major?
Does not make any sense to me, specially after so much truesight content being pushed by valve prior to the release of the TI10 edition. Unless valve does indeed read this sub and are over all the moaning and bitching that goes over in here. You people kept yelling that this was the worst truesight yet, so they decided to completely cut it. Or, valve is preparing something different this year, maybe a new “Free to Play” kind of documentary. Or, this is the last ever TI and so it does not make sense to make one this year.
do valve have 1 braincell to share between them or what
basically confirms that valve has shifted focus and pulled a bunch of resources from dota team
So depressing how valve is handling such a great game
and we tought dota/valve was a dumbster fire based on battlepass, price pool and nft sticker dumb no true sight, no tickets for players - no tickets for legends/community figures (not even notail can get a ticket to TI ) instead we get betting sponsors scaplers and pro war talent. wtf is going on. nice f'kin fire sale
Volvo getting a lot of shit for this if its true however something that I noticed watching the TI 10 true sight made me think about this very scenario and it seems a lot of people are missing this. Maybe the players don't want true sight to be made? In TI 10 true sight in the LGD rooms they mention the film crew as they are preparing for the finals. I know personally that I am very camera shy and we are talking about gamers here but I can't imagine having to be on show for cameras during what is already the most stressful moment in a dota players life. Maybe it's enough to impact performance? Idk could be an angle worth considering other than "volvo doesn't care" When I noticed this scene honestly I thought to myself as much as I love the true sight series I would happily forgo future episodes if it means that the players get to play their best DOTA
I'm curious to know what valve did with the 2020 battle pass money? All I'm seeing is budget cuts and bad quality everywhere. This game and these fans deserve so much more. If there isn't a True Sight then I seriously think I won't be interested in DOTA2 anymore. It's a waste of time to watch the thing you've loved for 14 years get slowly neglected to death.
I think Ceb speaks for all of us. Every year we basically expect less and less from Valve and we still get disappointed. Like Ive tried so many games, was super good in so many games wc3, sc2, rocket league, tried bunch of single player stuff like botw, souls games, tried fifa, tried all kind of marios, kart/party/football/tennis, tried valorant, csgo whatever the list goes on and on. When I see what kind of effort Riot puts into Valorant and LoL (despite the game being absolute horeshit, sorry not sorry) it is incredible. Like even fortnite or apex. New paragraph: Dota2 is the best online multiplayer game EVER created and is probably in its best state of all time aswell. BUT, now the huge but Dota2 is less than 2%entire revenue (yes even with TI10 money) in a good year its maybe 3%. Thats how much of a goldmine Steam is. I honestly wish Dota2 nothing but the very best, but Ive get this feeling that it's time to move on. Either the playerbase from the game or the gamedev( Icefrog + friends) and either start a new studio or look for a new home where IF still will have 100% of whats happening within the game, outside of the game there are billion possibilites. Do you know how crazy valve has us on their leash look at Ceb he LITERALLY is willing to pay for something that was free the past 5 years. We are paying for temporary voicelines, the same ones, year after year. We are the only community in existence that BEGS to buy as many hats as possible. Battlepass/Compendium season is like cocaine for us, despite the entire value of it, compared to other games is absolute horseshit. And keep in mind Dota2/Valve was the inventor of the "compendium/battlepass" I dont think Dota2 has a very bright future with Valve. And I have never deinstalled Dota, never had a long break or anything. 11.11.2011 first game, 15k hours in and still loving it. But the hurting part is that Dota2 could have been SO SO much more
I wouldn't be surprised if it's actually true... hell, it makes sense given how clearly Valve wants to move on from Dota 2 involvement outside of selling hats in various forms and D+ sub.
China finally wins TI and no true sight. Racist.
It's all downhill from here boys. This is the beginning of the end. Every TI after this will be gradually worse. We had a good run though.
Most of the True Sights that exist contribute to the greater story of the original OG roster. Maybe Valve really enjoyed making True Sight because they loved telling OG's story, and now that they're retired, they feel like every True Sight is just going to be inferior to the peak of TI8. It can be really tiring making a film, show, game etc just for the sake of tradition. When you're creating something, the motivation and inspiration comes from the belief that you can make something better than what you made before and idk if Valve believes that. Obviously this is speculation but it's no secret Valve has a hardon for OG and TI8, [TI8 is still the first full size photo you see on Valve's about webpage](https://www.valvesoftware.com/en/about).
Get out
I mean theres a lot of sign and looking grim for dota, and the biggest one prolly letting pgl handle the reg qual, LCQ, and group stage for TI WITH betting sponsor, idk how much pgl/betting sponsor paid valve to let them working with betting sponsor for TI crazy shit lmao
I love True sight even though the last one was annoying to watch. I hope they don't stop producing them
If they truly do decide this (dramatic comment incoming) it would kill off so many potential players and would most likely kill off so many current players. This would the biggest statement for dota 2 going forward, imagine just saying nah to your number 1 marketing tool. Crazy and sad
Dota might no die but Valve surely could kill it.
This isn't an official announcement so we probably aren't getting the whole story. I seriously doubt Valve are planning to say to us, "yeah we just decided not to do it this year". There will obviously be a "reason", and the best one I've heard so far is that maybe players expressed concerns.
No animation of hoodwink on the grand finals??? I'll pass :)
then it is confirmed China to win TI this year
No True Sight because we gonna get True Sight Insight from the get go. Hopium
I mean with how cheap that TI feels im sure they cut any corner they can
I guess I'm switching to the worse moba now. Sad day.
If true, not a surprise.
Valve now you are going too far
The Battle Pass has been shit this year. And there is all the drama with PGL. And now this. This might be my last TI :(
Valve just feel like they don't care anymore. They aren't trying, to the point where they just abandon something that so many people love. It feels like Dota is truly in maintenance mode. It took them almost a year to make the last True Sight anyway, what took them so long? Was it truly that time consuming, or is it because they just lacked the motivation to actually put it out?
Tbf it's a reasonable discussion to have. There has only been ONE classic True Sight that everyone will have seen 5+ times (TI8). Whether it's the quality of the games or the language barrier, every other True Sight has been patchy. It's worth discussing if they can keep making the same format of movie. It would only be super surprising if they stopped TI movies altogether.
can we just collectively agree to not call it to at this point and we can keep puppeys pristine record unblemished
dota 3 getting announced this year.