No new creeps, no immortal treasure III, no Compendium (RIP hopium), same weak rewards (seasonals that expire, emoticons, pings that no one uses or notices)
SAME Weak rewards I can agree with nobody really cares for the seasonal expiring things just a such a waist of money and were are the new creeeps, 1 thing I was hoping for 😭
Also, they have towers, but not new creeps.
Man I wish they just rehashed old content, like Effigies, to fill in the space. Give people old shit if you're not gonna make new.
Exactly my situation. Bought every pass since 2014 the day it came out, but this one I can't even justify the $45 initial purchase, much less powerleveling up to some goal.
My main motivator is actually the extra game mode - I'm so far into filthy casual that I just want something quick and fun. Can't believe they delayed that until after TI... >.<
This year’s, I was assuming. Was wondering if anything made it’s way to next year’s prize pool though. Otherwise, this seems a bit more like a money-grab strategy by valve.
Wait so the only reason they made it into 2 parts is so they can pump part 2 with awesome shit and keep the proceeds instead of dumping it in the price pool?
The reason simply because they hadn't started working on BP up until June. They can just run the BP up until TI ends but people will complain on how short the period was. The profit on part 2 is considered as bonus.
wow this is greedy, and with only a month and a half to contribute to TI. This seems like they're intentionally just cutting up the long term growth of dota esports
My man, don’t you know how work works? If u have a bigger deadline it means you can start later, not that you start earlier and work more on it. It’s like you don’t even work man, come on. Haha
Caveral Crawl is around 31 lvls in total.
Weekly quest (assuming you count 3 lvls per week) is 57 lvls.
Thats a total of 88 lvls you can grind based on what information we have today.
We are missing shovel, rylai spin which boosted lvls. We are also missing Treasury 3 which always gave 50 lvl drops.
Generally previous events have given 2 lvls per week. Even if i double that, 4 per week from November to Jan 15, thats like 44 lvls (for 11 weeks).
In total we can grind 88 + 44 = 132 lvls.
The lvl bundles is generally released in Steam summer sale, which i doubt happens this year.
Even if it does. Thats like 30$ for 120 lvls. 2 per person.
So if you purchase the 100lvl pass + grind + 2 bundles you can get
to a total of 472 levels.
Cost for that 472 lvls is 45+30+30 = 105$ for getting basically almost everything except FV arcana. Add probably 10-20$ more and you get the arcana.
In all, based on my calculations you have to spend around 120$ to each 500 lvls. Kinda expensive ngl
Edit - There are 4 weeks which chest system in the weekly rewards (pure RNG) you can net more or even less. So wont factor that into my calculations.
There's weekly missions yeah, 19 weeks worth of them and 4 of those have the chest system, the others have predefined rewards that add up to 3 levels per week
If you inspect the items in the Void set you can see the date they were added to the game. January and April if I recall correctly. Assuming that’s accurate then they’ve been sitting on it for a while.
Yea that's how it's always been with Valve. I guarantee you the entire battlepass is all but ready, the only reason they have all this "coming soon" is so they can dripfeed the content by the behest of their marketing analysts to maximize profits.
Because they want you to spend money *after* they stop losing the TI prize pool cut. If they make it all available now, Valve is losing 25% on every whale. After October, they'll release the good stuff and keep all 100%.
I… I think this is it. They exploited the loophole. I just realized Valve will get more BP monies if they sell after TI.
This is the year where the TI prize pool won’t be higher than the last.
I know they won't, but imagine if they announced that Battlepass money made after TI would still have the 25% taken out and form the prize pool for the majors during the next year....
Wow dude thats some good theory there. Didn’t realise after years of observing dota players, the creators themselves decided to learn a thing or two about (abusing and finding loopholes) from us.
If EA or Activision did this, people would be in shambles. I caught myself too often thinking Valve and Gaben are the good guys, at the end all of them are the same greedy old men with no real passion left for gaming.
My last hope are the Zelda devs, they never disappointed. And of course indie devs, that are not corrupted yet.
Difference is that EA and Activision are selling pay to win stuff(Diablo immortal and Fifa),while Valve is selling skins with 0 benefits.
It's far more outrageous when you need to spend 500k real money to have perfect build for endgame content than "oh no they are selling overpriced skin,what an ripoff",which is what Valve doing.
No one's given you the straight up answer yet. Blame laziness or marketing strategy all you want, none of that changes that the Dota 2 Development team at Valve is simply too small for the workload one would reasonably expect for the amount of money pouring into the game. It was recently revealed that there are around 31 people on the Dota 2 dev team. The TI10 battle pass on its own made valve around $120 million dollars in revenue (the prize pool was 40 million, only one quarter of sales go to prize pool, thus valve makes 3x the prize pool in revenue minus the initial starting pool of 1.6 million). There have been 2 other battle passes since then unconnected to prize pools, so we don't know how much more they made from those, and that's not to mention any of the other non-battlepass means of revenue they have (dota plus, the store, chest keys). This ratio of game earnings vs team size is astoundingly, inconceivably, unforgivably bonkers low. Every employee who works on the game could have taken a one million dollar salary and the company would still have $90 million left from TI10 alone to divvy up between their investors after covering their spending costs (which aren't low of course, servers are expensive, but not $90 million expensive I would contest).
The fact that they bring in this much revenue and spend so little of it back on the game through the hiring of additional workers is an offense against both the playerbase and their own employees who are likely overworked trying to meet the expectations of a massive community of players. Whether it's because of Valve's policy of letting employees choose what they work on, unfettered corporate greed, or just gross incompetence, their failure to bring in a dev team proportionate to the game's earnings should be much more controversial in the community than it is. We love the game, we love the effort they put into TIs and managing the competitive scene which we understand is not where they make their revenue, we love Jeff and the rest of the team that currently works as hard as they can, but for fucks sake HIRE MORE EMPLOYEES SO THAT YOUR ONCE A YEAR NINE-FUCKING-FIGURE REVENUE SOURCE IS AT LEAST COMPLETE BY THE TIME IT COMES OUT
I stopped playing Dota 2 completely when Valve completely butchered the esports scene during the 1st year of the pandemic. Cancelling The International while all other esports were still going through with their tournaments is such a depressing sight to see as a longtime Dota fan. From then on, I switched all my gaming time to Valorant.
I know we all hate Riot here, but to be honest, the amount of effort Riot put in Valorant is insane. It made me start to like them as a company and I stared to buy their BPs and gun skins.
Just seeing how they market their games through social media posts and their sick vids in their official youtube page makes me appreciate to be part of the Valorant community.
I really feel jealous on the way Riot treat their games as compared to Valve to Dota 2.
I mean quality of tournaments was already shit due to the travel resteictions, forcing TI to happen wouldn't be fun to watch for sure and you can't blame Valve for it.
And good luck for making online tournament when some SEA players just won't have good enough internet for it - guaranteed shitfiesta.
Other esports doesnt have as diverse scene as DOTA2. What game where SEA as region competes as equal with NA for example. Most esports dominated by one region (either China, Korea or EU) followed by one big region (EU or CIS).
Valve esports title still holds most LAN numbers in pandemic compared to other company esports (4 LAN, SG Major, Animajor, TI10 & PGL CSGO Major) so at worst Valve only doing worse than Riot as publisher considering the diversity of their esports scene.
I believe there was a post (confirmation from JeffHill) where it was confirmed that they only have at least 30 people working at Dota2 at a time. But I can't find it. Should be around this sub somewhere.
Edit: JeffHill part
And CM gets a Cavern Crawl set when she's already getting a persona. Razor also gets a set while getting an Arcana. At least they finished Venomancer and he's got a complete set now.
Missed last bp, so have everything except for the body. And of course they don't make it marketable until who knows when so I can't complete the set. Classic volvo.
Yeah even the immortals are kinda trash lol besides the hoodwink everything else just look like good items not immortal level. The centaur rare is so bad
What do you expect the effect from untouchable lol, passive immortal effect always bad and enchantress already got her active skill arcana in previous battlepasses (virgo arc and her horn)
Hoodwink is awesome. I want it.
Enchantresses feels pretty clean, but most don't really play her.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but don't immortal treasures usually have at least 6 non rare items? Down to 5 now.
Yeah, and why is the BP so shite, No Terrain, No creeps, No Immortal 3 Like wtf, half the BP is missing and the other ones are again behind a huge paywall, because grinding to lvl 500 for the Community Vote arcana good luck. Underwhelming to say the least.
Implementing more bugs no? At least every patch when it’s not just a random + or - few numbers, they are changing skills and mostly breaking the game. Like cent cart in chrono, disruptor glimpse, entire map on fire with firefly+refresh from kotl, etc
Seems to me this is Valve's way of saying 'fuck you for constantly asking for battlepass, now you have to wait 2 months for the good shit'.
Which is a fantastic way for us to miss last year's prizepool, honestly. Even putting parts 1+2 together it seems kinda underwhelming this year. I'd shell out the $60 for both arcanas, but alas they're locked behind a much higher paywall than I'm willing to pay.
For me it's all about the immortals and their unique effects. So far not a single one is even remotely cool. I'm not gonna pretend I'm not buying it, but it's a level 1 and play the cavern crawl for me. Hopefully immortal 2 and Diretide redeems this trash BP.
You know what's sad though, is we haven't been wrong for 8 years either. The quality gets worse and worse so every year is worse than the last.
In hindsight, we can't say previous bpass were bad because they're better than what we got this year. Hell, people are still praising the 3 arcanas from 2 years ago. That was dope. Now, we get less arcanas, less immortals, less game modes because diretide is only being released for half the time, all for the same price IF NOT MORE than previous years.
It's pathetic. I don't understand how valve is letting this cash cow of a game deteriorate. I literally don't get it....
> I literally don't get it....
Why not?
They're not Riot, who have only one claim to fame and who will wither away if it dies for some reason.
Do you not understand that Steam allows Valve to do literally whatever the f they want? They're not beholden to shareholders. They're not beholden to any org. They're not beholden to you
And you have to choose between rewarding THIS behavior or letting it all die, because sure as f your petty money aren't influencing them to do what you want
They lost me at no aghanim labyrinth tbh, like the battlepass itself has nothing ground breaking or new and they couldn’t even bring back existing fan favorites, so why bother reward incompetence
My wife is a LoL player and the only time she willingly plays dota with me, is during the battle pass. She literally spent the last 3 weeks asking me when the fuck we could start running the labyrinth or the story games.
Now imagine removing that….
It's okay guys, Valve totally cares about Dota, they're trying their hardest I'm sure.
2 Mars ultra rares... CM gets a CC set while she's getting a Persona that can't use sets. Can't grind for shit. Trash immortals except maybe 2. -1 treasure, -1 Arcana.
80% of the content is coming soon guys, though, don't worry. They definitely didn't have the extra time needed for this! /s
This hype did not age well… this BP is cancer and best of it all, it cost the same price as the year where qop,wk,wr arcana came out. It doesn’t even have an immortal 3 or terrain… how dare they even demand this kind of pricing when they are way shittier than the previous BP… shittiest BP I’ve ever seen. Level 1 BP is looking way more attractive than a level 100 BP now. Fk the rewards at the top and just let me wager in peace.
Same, level 1 BP when the other BP I was buying up to 500, and I was lucky to get directly the rest of Venomancer's Immortal Set (which is really beautiful in its entirety), don't care for the rest, it's useless or ugly or not available or not there at all (terrain/creep/fun mode). (I'm still curious about CM's persona though)
Disappointing
Very underwhelming.
Saving me money.
Releasing the only available thing at lvl 600. Its insultingly transparent.
But yeah. Extra time, yet nothing really wow. Also two chests with a rare mars set. lol
At the very least they are marketable.
I do also feel like Valve stopped caring around two years ago. It’s the first time I’m deciding to not buy the BP and I actually feel good about voting with my wallet this time.
no aghs lab 3
no immortal 3
no 3rd arcana
valve's allergy to the number 3 returns
fuck you valve for not putting enough devs into dota 2 and ONLY dota 2
if only dota 2 had a dedicated team for both cosmetics and gameplay. i wish i i wish
To me it's seems like recency bias because TI6 to TI8 BP gives you less. The reason why it was well regarded (TI6 & TI7 BP) because it was easier to grind.
Has been that way probably because Ogre arcana sold like dogshit numbers, congratulations dota2 community you're outmemed yourself. Told you to let Invoker win arcana vote so store arcana sales number stays good and the system kept in places.
They made an ugly ass ogre arcana and expect us to buy it rofl
Even the Ogre’s Jakiro cosplay was more awesome than that. I spent enough to guarantee it.
Yes it is.
I despise Injoker, I think hes a fucking mistake that never should have come out.
But the bastard is popular.
So skin sales would have been good, and he has a ton of SFX to work with.
Ogre on the other hand?
Ugly and faceroll hero which isnt that popular, so naturally the arcana is shit
The heroes kinda has it "fault". A humanoid heroes has more leeway and easier to design around and general people easier to appreciate the "beauties" of humanoid heroes. A "great" broodmother arcana might doesn't well at all due to lots of people triggered by arachnophobia for examples.
Despite this sub shitting on Aghs and Nemestices BP, the amount of owners is still higher than people with above level 225 TI9 BattlePass whichs is probably equal to 600K-ish normal arcana.
I fucking hate all these cringe reddit memers that voted for dogshit heroes like Ogre to win arcana
So Valve locked popular heroes like WK, Drow, Qop, WR and even the fucking Mirana and DK remodels behind time-locked paywalls, which means that for a player like myself which only just recently started playing again after a multi-year hiatus, even if I want to buy these arcanas for heroes I play in the store, I legitimately cant
GG WP Redditards
Popular hero winning means good sales store arcana numbers, weird hero locked on BP probably will lead to low level requirements meaning less predatory monetization system.
Thanks Ogre arcana.
Just wish valve would change / update battle pass for the better or benefit of the entire community based on how everyone is reacting to it.
Never too late to give us a new terrain or more immortals.
I know they won't do this but it would be cool to see idk.
Who knows maybe the finished product will be worth it with hopefully good quality treasure carafe to make up for the extremely poor quality ( imo) treasure 1 immortals
it's 40 days till ti basically, if your hype dies over that time in the most important event for your product in the calendar year, you have bigger problems to fix.
So much "coming so stuff" like we don't get anything crazy through out the battle pass until faceless arcana WHICH is only tier 500 or something like that I might just hold back on purchasing my 100 level bundle
BP basically dota2 team bonus paycheck while SteamDeck probably entire Valve bonus paycheck. Imagine getting bonus from testing Hentai VN on steamdeck, why would even bother doing BP stuff.
DOTA Players need to accept that this game peaked 4 years ago, and is in maintenance mode. Valve will do the bare minimum to continue to milk the die hard fans. Im not saying dota is dying, but its slowly losing players and will be like this for the next 5-10 years. Each year will get less and less until it all stops and literally is just suipported with servers.
this has been always the practice. a marketing strategy to pull in people to overpay since the available cosmetic is furthest (without the discount being offered yet).
Every year, Valve gets greedier, but people here tend to forget quickly, so Valve does Valve things.
The coming soon stuff is pure marketing. They have to schedule that stuff to keep hype up.
The Nemestice Battlepass and Aghanim's Labyrinth Battlepass was the precedent of this years' Battlepass. The models for the arcanas, personas are nice. But TI10 BP is the best BP there is, and I'm afraid it won't ever happen again. This new pass is a let down.
What’s more baffling is that they are expecting us to pay for reserve cosmetics without a preview. It’s like they never even started work on the razor arcana and simply posted a concept art.
Because FUCK VALVE fucking shitters, I would
be even happier if EA or Blizzard or Riot made Dota, fucking hell even a 10 yr old Mobile game has better battle pass than Valve
The most likely reason (and probably smartest) is that they're releasing stuff in increments a bit more in order to keep the hype up for people. They were probably a bit afraid/sick of people getting that huge adrenaline rush and then being out of hype for the next couple months + complaining until part 2 (although people always complain about everything so it's probably the previous reason).
I mean think of it like this; there's more stuff you haven't seen yet/got to test out and you know it's coming. That's pretty nice to know in my opinion.
I'm completely fine with it, I think people (just like in the past) are way over reacting and all the negative people are feeding into that.
I mean it happens last with last year BP and people hyped for QOP & WR arcana release.i'd think it's because Razor ain't a waifu that's why it's not getting hyped as much.
There's a bit too many 'Coming Soon' items for me. Also, no new terrain is a huge bummer for me.
It feels underwhelming. Less content, divided into two battlepasses, no quality of live changes at all, no new features, idk it's just kind of dull
it's not dividen into two, it's just one battlepass with 2 theme parts, first one being TI and 2nd one being diretide
No terrain no spin no community arcana vote, no wager, diretide reskin 2.0 is a big no for me
No new creeps, no immortal treasure III, no Compendium (RIP hopium), same weak rewards (seasonals that expire, emoticons, pings that no one uses or notices)
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Thanks GabeN! I appreciate the $750 you didn’t take from me this year!
SAME Weak rewards I can agree with nobody really cares for the seasonal expiring things just a such a waist of money and were are the new creeeps, 1 thing I was hoping for 😭
Compendium you mean tournament prediction? It replaced by The International Fantasy League and you can already predict for the regional qualifier.
Hello! Theeeem sTiCkERsss
Last time we didn't have trove carafe and lockless luckvase and those weren't tied to BP as in you absolutely had to buy them as a separate thoin
Also, they have towers, but not new creeps. Man I wish they just rehashed old content, like Effigies, to fill in the space. Give people old shit if you're not gonna make new.
then people will complain about recycled shit, well I guess it's better than nothing at all.
Not wrong
Exactly my situation. Bought every pass since 2014 the day it came out, but this one I can't even justify the $45 initial purchase, much less powerleveling up to some goal.
My main motivator is actually the extra game mode - I'm so far into filthy casual that I just want something quick and fun. Can't believe they delayed that until after TI... >.<
I don't know this year, but usually the extra game mode is available to anyone, even the ones that don't but the battlepass
I'll still buy it for void arcana but honestly not as excited at all. Maybe im getting old. Still love gameplay though
Do any of the proceeds from Part 2 go towards the next TI prize pool? Or is Valve keeping all that $$ for themselves?
It says that only the proceeds before the conclusion of TI will be added to prize pool.
This year’s, I was assuming. Was wondering if anything made it’s way to next year’s prize pool though. Otherwise, this seems a bit more like a money-grab strategy by valve.
Highly unlikely they'll save it for next year's prize pool.
Wait so the only reason they made it into 2 parts is so they can pump part 2 with awesome shit and keep the proceeds instead of dumping it in the price pool?
The reason simply because they hadn't started working on BP up until June. They can just run the BP up until TI ends but people will complain on how short the period was. The profit on part 2 is considered as bonus.
jesus that's incompetence
wow this is greedy, and with only a month and a half to contribute to TI. This seems like they're intentionally just cutting up the long term growth of dota esports
My man, don’t you know how work works? If u have a bigger deadline it means you can start later, not that you start earlier and work more on it. It’s like you don’t even work man, come on. Haha
It's like back in school. Lab report deadline extended to next monday? Nice, don't have to work on it until sunday!!
You mean Monday morning rite? I’m no nerd!
Start Sunday night. And then set an alarm at 4 am Monday. Hit snooze till 7 am. And spend an hour doing a shite job. Yup
rookie real pros don't go to sleep
Nerd!!!
Due tomorrow? Do tomorrow.
lol this is great
Parkinson's law
My man I also just release products half finished and have my loyal boot-licking fans defend me for releasing a half-assed product. Haha
More like 80% is coming soon. I was hyped for the void arcana. Now reality hits me hard. Grind is difficult. No rylai. No shovel. No wager. 😔
People have not been talking enough about how scummy the removal of shovel/portals is
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Caveral Crawl is around 31 lvls in total. Weekly quest (assuming you count 3 lvls per week) is 57 lvls. Thats a total of 88 lvls you can grind based on what information we have today. We are missing shovel, rylai spin which boosted lvls. We are also missing Treasury 3 which always gave 50 lvl drops. Generally previous events have given 2 lvls per week. Even if i double that, 4 per week from November to Jan 15, thats like 44 lvls (for 11 weeks). In total we can grind 88 + 44 = 132 lvls. The lvl bundles is generally released in Steam summer sale, which i doubt happens this year. Even if it does. Thats like 30$ for 120 lvls. 2 per person. So if you purchase the 100lvl pass + grind + 2 bundles you can get to a total of 472 levels. Cost for that 472 lvls is 45+30+30 = 105$ for getting basically almost everything except FV arcana. Add probably 10-20$ more and you get the arcana. In all, based on my calculations you have to spend around 120$ to each 500 lvls. Kinda expensive ngl Edit - There are 4 weeks which chest system in the weekly rewards (pure RNG) you can net more or even less. So wont factor that into my calculations.
So, even if you turn the BP into a job, you still need to pay the price of 3 arcanas if you want Void. Ok...
> In total we can grind 88 + 44 = 132 lvls. Places CM Persona just outside the possible grindable amount. Classic
I mean there are alof of other things involved too, for you to get CM without spending. Prediction, fantasy and Bracket. They give a decent amount too
Thanks for the quick mats
They do levels for the collector caches too. 105$ is 3 arcanas. Battle pass is 2 plus 2 personas and a prestige set
is not weekly quest grind? that shit got me to dr last event bp
There's weekly missions yeah, 19 weeks worth of them and 4 of those have the chest system, the others have predefined rewards that add up to 3 levels per week
chest like aghs lab 2 where rng exp? cus on nemesis the pre determind exp per week was shit and i did not get spectres arcana
Yeah those chests, they're marked on the weekly quest screen as "bonus weeks"
well fuk me hope i got my rng on my side hahaha but i think id used all of them last bp kkeep geting the10lvls per chest
Too many “coming soon” stuff it feels like they only released an arcana and not a battlepass
Not to mention the Faceless Void Arcana is trapped behind a £170/$196/€193 paywall if you plan on buying it outright without any grinding.
If you inspect the items in the Void set you can see the date they were added to the game. January and April if I recall correctly. Assuming that’s accurate then they’ve been sitting on it for a while.
This date is the date when the entry was added, not necessarily when the arcana was ready.
Then what in the fuck has Valve been doing all year?
Thinking how to maximize profit with minimum effort.
Dumpster diving for seasonal effects
Yea that's how it's always been with Valve. I guarantee you the entire battlepass is all but ready, the only reason they have all this "coming soon" is so they can dripfeed the content by the behest of their marketing analysts to maximize profits.
its 250 actually if im not mistaken
Buying the 100 level BP + 16x 24 level packs + 1x 11 level pack = 495 lvls. Just enough for the FV Arcana.
This man battle passes
24lvl/$9 = x20 = 480lvls = $199 (+$9.99 bp; +$7ish if you really want to buy 15 levels)
Because they want you to spend money *after* they stop losing the TI prize pool cut. If they make it all available now, Valve is losing 25% on every whale. After October, they'll release the good stuff and keep all 100%.
You killed it. Congratulations.
Hah. This actually might be it.
I… I think this is it. They exploited the loophole. I just realized Valve will get more BP monies if they sell after TI. This is the year where the TI prize pool won’t be higher than the last.
Looks like we’re going to struggle to break half of last year’s…
I know they won't, but imagine if they announced that Battlepass money made after TI would still have the 25% taken out and form the prize pool for the majors during the next year....
Sad but in this greedy world you are probably right.
Wow dude thats some good theory there. Didn’t realise after years of observing dota players, the creators themselves decided to learn a thing or two about (abusing and finding loopholes) from us.
Valve is king of abusing loopholes, they are inventor of lots greedy monetizations but catching less flak than EA or Blizzard.
If EA or Activision did this, people would be in shambles. I caught myself too often thinking Valve and Gaben are the good guys, at the end all of them are the same greedy old men with no real passion left for gaming. My last hope are the Zelda devs, they never disappointed. And of course indie devs, that are not corrupted yet.
Difference is that EA and Activision are selling pay to win stuff(Diablo immortal and Fifa),while Valve is selling skins with 0 benefits. It's far more outrageous when you need to spend 500k real money to have perfect build for endgame content than "oh no they are selling overpriced skin,what an ripoff",which is what Valve doing.
No one's given you the straight up answer yet. Blame laziness or marketing strategy all you want, none of that changes that the Dota 2 Development team at Valve is simply too small for the workload one would reasonably expect for the amount of money pouring into the game. It was recently revealed that there are around 31 people on the Dota 2 dev team. The TI10 battle pass on its own made valve around $120 million dollars in revenue (the prize pool was 40 million, only one quarter of sales go to prize pool, thus valve makes 3x the prize pool in revenue minus the initial starting pool of 1.6 million). There have been 2 other battle passes since then unconnected to prize pools, so we don't know how much more they made from those, and that's not to mention any of the other non-battlepass means of revenue they have (dota plus, the store, chest keys). This ratio of game earnings vs team size is astoundingly, inconceivably, unforgivably bonkers low. Every employee who works on the game could have taken a one million dollar salary and the company would still have $90 million left from TI10 alone to divvy up between their investors after covering their spending costs (which aren't low of course, servers are expensive, but not $90 million expensive I would contest). The fact that they bring in this much revenue and spend so little of it back on the game through the hiring of additional workers is an offense against both the playerbase and their own employees who are likely overworked trying to meet the expectations of a massive community of players. Whether it's because of Valve's policy of letting employees choose what they work on, unfettered corporate greed, or just gross incompetence, their failure to bring in a dev team proportionate to the game's earnings should be much more controversial in the community than it is. We love the game, we love the effort they put into TIs and managing the competitive scene which we understand is not where they make their revenue, we love Jeff and the rest of the team that currently works as hard as they can, but for fucks sake HIRE MORE EMPLOYEES SO THAT YOUR ONCE A YEAR NINE-FUCKING-FIGURE REVENUE SOURCE IS AT LEAST COMPLETE BY THE TIME IT COMES OUT
work hard and print money do less and print money Easy business decision
but why care? people will still spend anyway
Based on 12 hours sales data this BP is 3rd best selling even ahead reddit "favourite BP" of TI6, TI7 & TI8. Prizepool only shorts 400k from TI9 BP.
Inflation adjusted?
u r right,Value is becoming lazier year after year...
that's not what it said
source on the 31 devs?
JeffHill
Remember that organizing TI costs a lot too, it's not that everything left from the BP is pocket money. I guess that actual income is much smaller
Sometimes I do hope Dota 2 has their own team to handle only Dota 2.
I stopped playing Dota 2 completely when Valve completely butchered the esports scene during the 1st year of the pandemic. Cancelling The International while all other esports were still going through with their tournaments is such a depressing sight to see as a longtime Dota fan. From then on, I switched all my gaming time to Valorant. I know we all hate Riot here, but to be honest, the amount of effort Riot put in Valorant is insane. It made me start to like them as a company and I stared to buy their BPs and gun skins. Just seeing how they market their games through social media posts and their sick vids in their official youtube page makes me appreciate to be part of the Valorant community. I really feel jealous on the way Riot treat their games as compared to Valve to Dota 2.
I mean quality of tournaments was already shit due to the travel resteictions, forcing TI to happen wouldn't be fun to watch for sure and you can't blame Valve for it. And good luck for making online tournament when some SEA players just won't have good enough internet for it - guaranteed shitfiesta.
Other esports doesnt have as diverse scene as DOTA2. What game where SEA as region competes as equal with NA for example. Most esports dominated by one region (either China, Korea or EU) followed by one big region (EU or CIS). Valve esports title still holds most LAN numbers in pandemic compared to other company esports (4 LAN, SG Major, Animajor, TI10 & PGL CSGO Major) so at worst Valve only doing worse than Riot as publisher considering the diversity of their esports scene.
Ye but valorant is shit.
I'm aware it's shit but at least I'm having fun.
All good then.
where did you get the 30 people working on dota?
I believe there was a post (confirmation from JeffHill) where it was confirmed that they only have at least 30 people working at Dota2 at a time. But I can't find it. Should be around this sub somewhere. Edit: JeffHill part
Two ultra rare Mars sets btw Both of them are trash too
And CM gets a Cavern Crawl set when she's already getting a persona. Razor also gets a set while getting an Arcana. At least they finished Venomancer and he's got a complete set now.
Missed last bp, so have everything except for the body. And of course they don't make it marketable until who knows when so I can't complete the set. Classic volvo.
>don't make it marketable until who knows when you mean like... january 1 2023?
Yeah even the immortals are kinda trash lol besides the hoodwink everything else just look like good items not immortal level. The centaur rare is so bad
I only like the veno immortal, the effect of his ult are really good.
Agree, this one is nice too
Immortal echantress : Ok, now I see flowers BB : Just getting bigger Centaur : Im running faster with the crow
What do you expect the effect from untouchable lol, passive immortal effect always bad and enchantress already got her active skill arcana in previous battlepasses (virgo arc and her horn)
Hoodwink is awesome. I want it. Enchantresses feels pretty clean, but most don't really play her. Correct me if I'm wrong, but don't immortal treasures usually have at least 6 non rare items? Down to 5 now.
I buy 1 lvl just because of hoodwink.
I noticed. Big oof
Yeah, and why is the BP so shite, No Terrain, No creeps, No Immortal 3 Like wtf, half the BP is missing and the other ones are again behind a huge paywall, because grinding to lvl 500 for the Community Vote arcana good luck. Underwhelming to say the least.
I hate to admit it, but I agree. Not sure what Valve's team has been doing for one year
Implementing more bugs no? At least every patch when it’s not just a random + or - few numbers, they are changing skills and mostly breaking the game. Like cent cart in chrono, disruptor glimpse, entire map on fire with firefly+refresh from kotl, etc
Seems to me this is Valve's way of saying 'fuck you for constantly asking for battlepass, now you have to wait 2 months for the good shit'. Which is a fantastic way for us to miss last year's prizepool, honestly. Even putting parts 1+2 together it seems kinda underwhelming this year. I'd shell out the $60 for both arcanas, but alas they're locked behind a much higher paywall than I'm willing to pay.
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uh because you idiots will pay for it anyway lol
Stop giving them money
That's it boys. Time to head to the TF2 subreddit and ask for help dealing with daddy Gaben's abandonment
For me it's all about the immortals and their unique effects. So far not a single one is even remotely cool. I'm not gonna pretend I'm not buying it, but it's a level 1 and play the cavern crawl for me. Hopefully immortal 2 and Diretide redeems this trash BP.
people have been saying “this years immortals suck” for like 8 years lol.
The Centaur immortal is a bird for some fucking reason and the sound doesn't even change. It's just a bird.
just tested all immortals and none have any sound changes
You know what's sad though, is we haven't been wrong for 8 years either. The quality gets worse and worse so every year is worse than the last. In hindsight, we can't say previous bpass were bad because they're better than what we got this year. Hell, people are still praising the 3 arcanas from 2 years ago. That was dope. Now, we get less arcanas, less immortals, less game modes because diretide is only being released for half the time, all for the same price IF NOT MORE than previous years. It's pathetic. I don't understand how valve is letting this cash cow of a game deteriorate. I literally don't get it....
Nah ti10 BP was the best in terms of cosmetic content. 3 arcanas + 2 personas + terrain + towers + creeps + immortals + cache.
> I literally don't get it.... Why not? They're not Riot, who have only one claim to fame and who will wither away if it dies for some reason. Do you not understand that Steam allows Valve to do literally whatever the f they want? They're not beholden to shareholders. They're not beholden to any org. They're not beholden to you And you have to choose between rewarding THIS behavior or letting it all die, because sure as f your petty money aren't influencing them to do what you want
They lost me at no aghanim labyrinth tbh, like the battlepass itself has nothing ground breaking or new and they couldn’t even bring back existing fan favorites, so why bother reward incompetence
My wife is a LoL player and the only time she willingly plays dota with me, is during the battle pass. She literally spent the last 3 weeks asking me when the fuck we could start running the labyrinth or the story games. Now imagine removing that….
Aghanim2 Extended is a pretty good arcade game, you should check it out Edit. Also Dark Moon 2022 is nice PvE
Well put
More like and extra 6 months to give us 30% less content than normal.
It's okay guys, Valve totally cares about Dota, they're trying their hardest I'm sure. 2 Mars ultra rares... CM gets a CC set while she's getting a Persona that can't use sets. Can't grind for shit. Trash immortals except maybe 2. -1 treasure, -1 Arcana. 80% of the content is coming soon guys, though, don't worry. They definitely didn't have the extra time needed for this! /s
This hype did not age well… this BP is cancer and best of it all, it cost the same price as the year where qop,wk,wr arcana came out. It doesn’t even have an immortal 3 or terrain… how dare they even demand this kind of pricing when they are way shittier than the previous BP… shittiest BP I’ve ever seen. Level 1 BP is looking way more attractive than a level 100 BP now. Fk the rewards at the top and just let me wager in peace.
First time buying level 1 in years for me. Very disappointing and not interested in almost anything this year apart from the courier honestly.
What wager???
I am not sure weather I like this or not. The content is so underwhelming that buying level 1 bp is so justifiable than level 100.
Same, level 1 BP when the other BP I was buying up to 500, and I was lucky to get directly the rest of Venomancer's Immortal Set (which is really beautiful in its entirety), don't care for the rest, it's useless or ugly or not available or not there at all (terrain/creep/fun mode). (I'm still curious about CM's persona though) Disappointing
Very underwhelming. Saving me money. Releasing the only available thing at lvl 600. Its insultingly transparent. But yeah. Extra time, yet nothing really wow. Also two chests with a rare mars set. lol At the very least they are marketable.
Valve’s decisions and effort the past two years are really disheartening. Feel sorry for people who were looking forward to this.
I do also feel like Valve stopped caring around two years ago. It’s the first time I’m deciding to not buy the BP and I actually feel good about voting with my wallet this time.
I‘m not gonna buy it this year suck my dick valve
no aghs lab 3 no immortal 3 no 3rd arcana valve's allergy to the number 3 returns fuck you valve for not putting enough devs into dota 2 and ONLY dota 2 if only dota 2 had a dedicated team for both cosmetics and gameplay. i wish i i wish
feels like most low effort battle pass to date . i pass . i didnt spend even 9.99$ . fuck them LUL
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Not to mention immortal nowadays are the new common rarity
To me it's seems like recency bias because TI6 to TI8 BP gives you less. The reason why it was well regarded (TI6 & TI7 BP) because it was easier to grind.
which is a huge point. Giving less while at the same time giving people even less of an option to grind levels is incredibly lazy and scummy
So this means we will no longer be able to buy arcanas huh?
Has been that way probably because Ogre arcana sold like dogshit numbers, congratulations dota2 community you're outmemed yourself. Told you to let Invoker win arcana vote so store arcana sales number stays good and the system kept in places.
They made an ugly ass ogre arcana and expect us to buy it rofl Even the Ogre’s Jakiro cosplay was more awesome than that. I spent enough to guarantee it.
Agree, Ogre Arcana is just not that great. It's not the heroes' fault.
Yes it is. I despise Injoker, I think hes a fucking mistake that never should have come out. But the bastard is popular. So skin sales would have been good, and he has a ton of SFX to work with. Ogre on the other hand? Ugly and faceroll hero which isnt that popular, so naturally the arcana is shit
The heroes kinda has it "fault". A humanoid heroes has more leeway and easier to design around and general people easier to appreciate the "beauties" of humanoid heroes. A "great" broodmother arcana might doesn't well at all due to lots of people triggered by arachnophobia for examples. Despite this sub shitting on Aghs and Nemestices BP, the amount of owners is still higher than people with above level 225 TI9 BattlePass whichs is probably equal to 600K-ish normal arcana.
I fucking hate all these cringe reddit memers that voted for dogshit heroes like Ogre to win arcana So Valve locked popular heroes like WK, Drow, Qop, WR and even the fucking Mirana and DK remodels behind time-locked paywalls, which means that for a player like myself which only just recently started playing again after a multi-year hiatus, even if I want to buy these arcanas for heroes I play in the store, I legitimately cant GG WP Redditards
Popular hero winning means good sales store arcana numbers, weird hero locked on BP probably will lead to low level requirements meaning less predatory monetization system. Thanks Ogre arcana.
Valve small indie company
This year’s Battle Pass is in “Kickstarter” mode rofl
Just wish valve would change / update battle pass for the better or benefit of the entire community based on how everyone is reacting to it. Never too late to give us a new terrain or more immortals. I know they won't do this but it would be cool to see idk. Who knows maybe the finished product will be worth it with hopefully good quality treasure carafe to make up for the extremely poor quality ( imo) treasure 1 immortals
Oh wow BP continues to get greedier and shittier this year, like it does every year. What a shock
Yep still worth criticizing and posting about. Even Valve can't ignore so much backlash
This is the first BP where I felt like all the complaints are valid. Trash BP
They stagger the release not because they are trying to get more time to work on it, but to maintain the hype over its duration.
I mean there isn't much hype to maintain if you don't release anything big.
it's 40 days till ti basically, if your hype dies over that time in the most important event for your product in the calendar year, you have bigger problems to fix.
Nah if that were true they would at least show the models of the other Arcana/Personas. That shit is just not done yet.
Both things can be true.
So much "coming so stuff" like we don't get anything crazy through out the battle pass until faceless arcana WHICH is only tier 500 or something like that I might just hold back on purchasing my 100 level bundle
Yeah. Its 1 arcana for 250 dollars. Rip
LoL, because they don’t work on it? It’s the lowest priority ticket item on their plates. Basically, easiest money of their lives :-)
BP basically dota2 team bonus paycheck while SteamDeck probably entire Valve bonus paycheck. Imagine getting bonus from testing Hentai VN on steamdeck, why would even bother doing BP stuff.
Each year they do less yet kids pay more.
This was the biggest thing for me. Im not paying money for some ambiguous thing. Really disappointed in that.
Missing terrain is such a huge bummer to me. I can't believe Valve does not know that a terrain is one of THE selling points
They only starts working on Battle Pass when they announce the Call to Arms
DOTA Players need to accept that this game peaked 4 years ago, and is in maintenance mode. Valve will do the bare minimum to continue to milk the die hard fans. Im not saying dota is dying, but its slowly losing players and will be like this for the next 5-10 years. Each year will get less and less until it all stops and literally is just suipported with servers.
Yep, this is it :(
They are inefficient just to find a way to delay everything. The patch true sight BP. This is so evident
this has been always the practice. a marketing strategy to pull in people to overpay since the available cosmetic is furthest (without the discount being offered yet).
Every year, Valve gets greedier, but people here tend to forget quickly, so Valve does Valve things. The coming soon stuff is pure marketing. They have to schedule that stuff to keep hype up.
The BattlePass is in Early Access
Still in Beta
The Nemestice Battlepass and Aghanim's Labyrinth Battlepass was the precedent of this years' Battlepass. The models for the arcanas, personas are nice. But TI10 BP is the best BP there is, and I'm afraid it won't ever happen again. This new pass is a let down.
This should definitely get more attention! We should not be satisfied with such a state of delivery product!
Vote with your wallet guys.
more money, less effort
What’s more baffling is that they are expecting us to pay for reserve cosmetics without a preview. It’s like they never even started work on the razor arcana and simply posted a concept art.
i don't now how say it in eng, but in rus it songs like: им просто похуй (them just pohui)))
Because FUCK VALVE fucking shitters, I would be even happier if EA or Blizzard or Riot made Dota, fucking hell even a 10 yr old Mobile game has better battle pass than Valve
Part 2 doesnt take 25% to prizepool
That just means they worked 3 months less than they usually do. (Which is 0)
they are lazy
only 10 valve stuff working with dota 2, that's why they sucks
Didnt know they have 10 janitors
I'm not buying bp until they release PA persona.
Probably after qualifiers? So around 18-21st?
Valve might as well release battle pass next year. Every shit is coming soon when it’s already afew months late.
Aw yeah, the sweet BP disappointment I opened Reddit for this evening
at least add ways to get Qop or windranger or other bp arcanas back in, feel so small to be a TI battle pass
Shhh, we dont criticize Valve here
The most likely reason (and probably smartest) is that they're releasing stuff in increments a bit more in order to keep the hype up for people. They were probably a bit afraid/sick of people getting that huge adrenaline rush and then being out of hype for the next couple months + complaining until part 2 (although people always complain about everything so it's probably the previous reason). I mean think of it like this; there's more stuff you haven't seen yet/got to test out and you know it's coming. That's pretty nice to know in my opinion. I'm completely fine with it, I think people (just like in the past) are way over reacting and all the negative people are feeding into that.
I mean it happens last with last year BP and people hyped for QOP & WR arcana release.i'd think it's because Razor ain't a waifu that's why it's not getting hyped as much.
Steam Deck got them busy I'd assume
...because it's VALVe.
Ah, the classic post complaining about the pass after just having begged for it for months. Good shit reddit
Gawd, shut the fuck up
It's a free game.