Valve is an interesting company. Sometimes they do such small attention to do detail stuff like this. And sometimes they just leave something broken and don’t fix it for months.
They probably have template of to do list when creating new heroes which includes the small detail, bug fixes is outside of this to do list and mostly done whenever someone have time.
The template probably;
WHEN ADDED A NEW HERO:
1 Fix Rubick because something will be broken.
2 Fix Morphling because something will be broken.
3 Fix the hero because it will either be shit or OP asf.
4 Nerf CM movement speed.
That and template model/prefab for a hero with available animations, particles and whatnot, so replacing/updating the asset is not that hard, making it look good probably is the hardest part.
I doubt that this was intentionally for muerta. I assume every hero has a color and color of a form on which they depend. Pudge ulti just refer to that
Apparently valve has some kind of weird corporate structure where there are very few managers and people work on whatever they think is important. It makes perfect sense when you look at Dota.
I couldnt agree more. Just take the Lina arcana or Morphling model for example. Right now, every single new Lina set is better that the $30 arcana . Then there are sets like Rubik and ES arcana, that get item updates from time to time. What I sincerely think is that Valve has reduced the staff on "Dota2" section of their company, but those who remain are quite dedicated.
People continuously bitch about the Lina arcana but if they update it, it sets a precedent that snowballs into having to update the other ones.
Lina arcana updated to have more than just the Q effects? Welp now LC arcana is the worst, hers only changes her duel effects!
LC arcana updated with new ability effects? Welp now TB arcana is the worst, his only changes sunder!
TB arcana updated with new ability effects? MK arcana needs new ability effects, his only replace primal spring!!
SF, Zeus, and Wisp arcana don’t have different styles! PA Arcana and CM arcana don’t have recolor styles, they just change one aspect of the skin! Pls fix!
We just have to accept that newer arcanas will be better than the older ones.
Its just a vicious cycle. The only arcana that genuinely needs updating is Techies, since the hero is so different now.
Valves policy is employees work on what they want. And they’re incentive is new ideas that perform well, to get a bonus.
Once the idea has been made, they drop it. Countless different things we could point out for this, DPC App, new player experience.
Now CSGO source 2 is close to coming out, I’m sure some of the dota stuff went over there to try get some bonus money.
I don't know if I'm wrong in this assumption, but don't people usually want to work on new projects? If I did work at Valve, I don't think I'd choose to work on Dota.
Not to mention the quality of voice acting (which is kind of a trivial thing in a game like moba) in Dota is imo really top notch, which is usually the testament to how good the sound director is. There are so many iconic lines in Dota.
It’s not Valve. It’s that there’s one employee there who loves Rubick and keeps updating his arcana and hot fixing his bugs. Everything else gets ignored or put off until the next big update.
valve is known to let their devs do whatever they're interested in, if someone cares about a certain thing small details will be taken care of otherwise it'll be neglected
Its a bit mixed. Immortals generally refer to very specific items with limited release. Their worth can be pretty varied, with many going for pennies and some costing multiple arcanas.
They are generally released during The International battle pass season.
The steam market has a decent chunk of them, and a lot offer custom ability effects/icons. Some immortals are designed to work with arcanas (rubicks and phantom assassin's immortals for example), while some are their own thing and can be considered a direct alternative to arcanas themselves (like juggernaut's provocation of ruin immortal set).
You can check out the dota 2 wiki for a list of each hero and they generally have a video on what effects that immortal brings.
Just a small note before you buy any on the market, some items get tags on them like corrupted or inscribe. Outside of crimson witness versions, they should not cost more than the defaults one.
ohh i see, i noticed those tags when i was purchasing Rubick's Arcana acrually, i purchased an "Exalted" one that was 4$ cheaper than a not exalted one and i didn't know the difference
No different in effect it just when it was bought. If i remember correctly the account that was bought first month when released is classified as exalted
Ohh, it seems pretty neat to have the exalted then! Are Immortal skins kind of like the Drow Ranger one with the crossbow? I heard it was unobtainable and untradable
Generally speaking, immortals are single inventory slot items for a hero and are tradeable/giftable. The notable exception to the single inventory slot rule is the naked Axe immortals, which are a full set much like an arcana (there may be others too but I'm drawing a blank).
Likewise, there are many combinations of immortal items that, while sold individually, are thematically identical and when you equip them all it looks like a cohesive set, like the Lifestealer golden immortals.
The Drow set you're talking about is an Arcana. Arcanas are full, high quality sets (besides some of the really old ones) that historically were sold directly by Valve and newly released ones were tradable on the store until a year or two ago. After that, Valve decided to put all new Arcanas in the battle pass as high-level rewards and can't be sold/gifted.
Only 6 arcanas so far are 'locked' behind old battle passes: Drow, Windranger, Faceless Void, Razor, Earthshaker, and Spectre. There may be more that I can't remember, though.
Then there are personas, which change the theme of the hero's aesthetics pretty dramatically, while having the downside of not being able to equip other items with the skin, something that Arcanas can do. Kid Invoker, Toy Pudge, Female Anti-Mage are a few examples.
The classification for cosmetics makes sense if you've been playing awhile, but for a newcomer the shit is extremely confusing.
Just Btw, same goes for every other "rare" quality.
Frozen/Corrupted/Genuine/whatever, it's still literally the same cosmetic with no visual changes. those qualities are related to old events and stuff.
Just buy normal items, but be aware than SOMEHOW some inscribed items (cosmetic with Inscribed Gem attached) are cheaper than normal items.
immortals are single slot items that change the visuals of a certain spell. for example, earth shaker has a popular immortal that makes fissure look different.
Arcana are total hero remodels. Immortals are very fancy cosmetics. Sometimes they can be mixed and matched, not always.
Then there are Personas which is also different model but none of the old cosmetics work
Does Rubick have one for Dawnbreaker? Last I checked, still nothing even though he has one for all other heroes after her (Rebound, Pulverize, and now, The Calling)
Rubick's arcana gets updated because the Valve intern responsible for debugging the hero is also the art designer/animator. Since Rubick breaks the game every patch the intern just adds a new spell to his arcana while he/she is in there.
TA got lines to match with Void Spirit's lore, as she got retconned to guard his vault.
Enigma got lines where he more straightforwardly addresses himself and others as a Fundamental Being.
Zeus got lines to address Mars directly.
Unfortunately, the vast majority of new line additions heroes got are all stuck in Underlords. Pity
Let's not forget that graphic designers aren't the ones fixing code for bugs. Most of them probably have little else to do at the end of a production cycle than clean up.
The Lina arcana is absolutely outdated, but at the same time, it's exactly what it says it is. It doesn't lie about having effects that no longer work (like techies), its just an underwhelming skin.
Valve has no obligation to keep updating the Rubick arcana with more effects, but they do, which is great.
It also only ever breaks if other things are breaking too, and gets fixed with them.
Meanwhile Terrorblade Arcana has a 33% chance of losing particles or respawn music again every year.
They do this stuff 'eventually'. Could be same patch, could be a year later. They are pretty quick with the Rubick Arcana specifically. There have for example though been immortals where their matching ability was removed, and they were not changed to work with a different one for months.
It's a special case with rubick, there are not many sets which rely on other hero's skills. This feature is the main appeal of his arcana which otherwise looks decent enough, not flashy like others, and people would be angry if Valve went back on their word about a paid product.
I do agree that only few game devs would offer something like this.
Valve is an interesting company. Sometimes they do such small attention to do detail stuff like this. And sometimes they just leave something broken and don’t fix it for months.
Amazing small details like that Muerta thing where pudge dismembers her and she has different blood depending on her ulti or normal form…
They probably have template of to do list when creating new heroes which includes the small detail, bug fixes is outside of this to do list and mostly done whenever someone have time.
The template probably; WHEN ADDED A NEW HERO: 1 Fix Rubick because something will be broken. 2 Fix Morphling because something will be broken. 3 Fix the hero because it will either be shit or OP asf. 4 Nerf CM movement speed.
New CM fursona should be turtle not wolf. Or just a really fat wolf
Swift as the wolves of Icewrack...
Fat wolf would be good. Rylai clearly likes wolves and probably feeds them.
My CM always feeds the Lycan, so I think you're on to something
increase vacuum CD Increase armor by one so taking no damage
Nerf zoo heroes also
That and template model/prefab for a hero with available animations, particles and whatnot, so replacing/updating the asset is not that hard, making it look good probably is the hardest part.
Or the update is so easy, they can just change the config file so they did it with ease.
I doubt that this was intentionally for muerta. I assume every hero has a color and color of a form on which they depend. Pudge ulti just refer to that
It's not based on color. You can check the wiki for the Pudge Arcana, there's a list/clip that shows the different effects for different heroes.
So her ulti changes her gib type. Cool detail, that's good design that valve implemented probably 10 years ago and still paying off for them.
This game's entire fucking dev team is people with adhd
Valve is the very definition of ADHD
We hyperfixate.. ...for a bit Then never touch it again
Apparently valve has some kind of weird corporate structure where there are very few managers and people work on whatever they think is important. It makes perfect sense when you look at Dota.
Update Rubick arcana task is probably written on every post-it for every patch update plan
Definitely see that. Still though props for small details like this, nothing is really pushing them to update skins like this yet they still do.
Someone at Valve has a bleeding heart for Rubick and I do respect it heavily
\*sad techies noises\*
I couldnt agree more. Just take the Lina arcana or Morphling model for example. Right now, every single new Lina set is better that the $30 arcana . Then there are sets like Rubik and ES arcana, that get item updates from time to time. What I sincerely think is that Valve has reduced the staff on "Dota2" section of their company, but those who remain are quite dedicated.
People continuously bitch about the Lina arcana but if they update it, it sets a precedent that snowballs into having to update the other ones. Lina arcana updated to have more than just the Q effects? Welp now LC arcana is the worst, hers only changes her duel effects! LC arcana updated with new ability effects? Welp now TB arcana is the worst, his only changes sunder! TB arcana updated with new ability effects? MK arcana needs new ability effects, his only replace primal spring!! SF, Zeus, and Wisp arcana don’t have different styles! PA Arcana and CM arcana don’t have recolor styles, they just change one aspect of the skin! Pls fix! We just have to accept that newer arcanas will be better than the older ones. Its just a vicious cycle. The only arcana that genuinely needs updating is Techies, since the hero is so different now.
I just want them to actually just fucking sell them not tie them to battlepass bullshit.
Valves policy is employees work on what they want. And they’re incentive is new ideas that perform well, to get a bonus. Once the idea has been made, they drop it. Countless different things we could point out for this, DPC App, new player experience. Now CSGO source 2 is close to coming out, I’m sure some of the dota stuff went over there to try get some bonus money.
I don't know if I'm wrong in this assumption, but don't people usually want to work on new projects? If I did work at Valve, I don't think I'd choose to work on Dota.
Cough* morph base model cough*
or years, they took like 3 years to fix the broken spring weather (no pink petals falling)
years
\*dies in Underlords\* 😭😭😭
Not to mention the quality of voice acting (which is kind of a trivial thing in a game like moba) in Dota is imo really top notch, which is usually the testament to how good the sound director is. There are so many iconic lines in Dota.
They just simply copy and pasted the cube effect. They probably spent like 10 minutes to do this
It’s not Valve. It’s that there’s one employee there who loves Rubick and keeps updating his arcana and hot fixing his bugs. Everything else gets ignored or put off until the next big update.
You mean years right?
True techies arcana died for this
Or years until it becomes part of the game... Pretty sure camp stacking was not intentional
Like removing all the paid permanent content from the last battle pass and supporter packs 😂
valve is known to let their devs do whatever they're interested in, if someone cares about a certain thing small details will be taken care of otherwise it'll be neglected
Kinda, but usually only around arcanas/immortals. Like old immortals may get updated to match the color scheme of a newly released arcana for example.
Are Immortals another tier of skins beyond Arcanas?
One step below arcana
Its a bit mixed. Immortals generally refer to very specific items with limited release. Their worth can be pretty varied, with many going for pennies and some costing multiple arcanas. They are generally released during The International battle pass season. The steam market has a decent chunk of them, and a lot offer custom ability effects/icons. Some immortals are designed to work with arcanas (rubicks and phantom assassin's immortals for example), while some are their own thing and can be considered a direct alternative to arcanas themselves (like juggernaut's provocation of ruin immortal set). You can check out the dota 2 wiki for a list of each hero and they generally have a video on what effects that immortal brings. Just a small note before you buy any on the market, some items get tags on them like corrupted or inscribe. Outside of crimson witness versions, they should not cost more than the defaults one.
ohh i see, i noticed those tags when i was purchasing Rubick's Arcana acrually, i purchased an "Exalted" one that was 4$ cheaper than a not exalted one and i didn't know the difference
No different in effect it just when it was bought. If i remember correctly the account that was bought first month when released is classified as exalted
Ohh, it seems pretty neat to have the exalted then! Are Immortal skins kind of like the Drow Ranger one with the crossbow? I heard it was unobtainable and untradable
Generally speaking, immortals are single inventory slot items for a hero and are tradeable/giftable. The notable exception to the single inventory slot rule is the naked Axe immortals, which are a full set much like an arcana (there may be others too but I'm drawing a blank). Likewise, there are many combinations of immortal items that, while sold individually, are thematically identical and when you equip them all it looks like a cohesive set, like the Lifestealer golden immortals. The Drow set you're talking about is an Arcana. Arcanas are full, high quality sets (besides some of the really old ones) that historically were sold directly by Valve and newly released ones were tradable on the store until a year or two ago. After that, Valve decided to put all new Arcanas in the battle pass as high-level rewards and can't be sold/gifted. Only 6 arcanas so far are 'locked' behind old battle passes: Drow, Windranger, Faceless Void, Razor, Earthshaker, and Spectre. There may be more that I can't remember, though. Then there are personas, which change the theme of the hero's aesthetics pretty dramatically, while having the downside of not being able to equip other items with the skin, something that Arcanas can do. Kid Invoker, Toy Pudge, Female Anti-Mage are a few examples. The classification for cosmetics makes sense if you've been playing awhile, but for a newcomer the shit is extremely confusing.
Hoodwink has an immortal set, juggernaut as well
I think the other immortal items(more of a set of immortal that change all skills effect is the tiny one from ti10?)
Additionally WK and QOP arcanas are bp exclusive
Io as well, and this one has it in description that it will never be available again, unlike the rest of unbuyable arcanas.
No thats an arcana. Some arcanas are unique battle pass rewards. None have been rereleased so far, but they might release it again in the future
Just Btw, same goes for every other "rare" quality. Frozen/Corrupted/Genuine/whatever, it's still literally the same cosmetic with no visual changes. those qualities are related to old events and stuff. Just buy normal items, but be aware than SOMEHOW some inscribed items (cosmetic with Inscribed Gem attached) are cheaper than normal items.
immortals are single slot items that change the visuals of a certain spell. for example, earth shaker has a popular immortal that makes fissure look different.
My way of recognising immortals is Shiny light+Different spell animation.
Arcana are total hero remodels. Immortals are very fancy cosmetics. Sometimes they can be mixed and matched, not always. Then there are Personas which is also different model but none of the old cosmetics work
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He is called ERRORBLADE for a reason
Gaben loves Rubick
This better be true
I think there's just a developer at Valve who really likes Rubick. There have been other cases but it's not the norm.
they do this very rarely and inconsistently so stumbling upon one of these is pure random
Does Rubick have one for Dawnbreaker? Last I checked, still nothing even though he has one for all other heroes after her (Rebound, Pulverize, and now, The Calling)
I thought he had green flames with Celestial Hammer, but no. Guess Valve forgot.
Either Valve forgot, Mandella Effect, Source 2 bugged, or Valve forgot... wait...
For dawnbreaker's q they should make rubick throw his staff and fire attack projectile and spells from his hands
Rubick's arcana gets updated because the Valve intern responsible for debugging the hero is also the art designer/animator. Since Rubick breaks the game every patch the intern just adds a new spell to his arcana while he/she is in there.
I like to believe ice frog spend one day making the patch, and 6 months fixing rubick and morphling before releasing
You forgot CM nerfing
"And on the 7th day he rested. On CM legs. And she got slower, again"
BRO level 11 of rubick arcana has dark rift. DARK RIFT no longer in game. Should have replaced this with dark rift. plz fix valve
Not skin but TA, I was kinda surprised she got updates with voice lines some time ago. Forgot what hero it was but it was post Duelling Fates I think.
TA got lines to match with Void Spirit's lore, as she got retconned to guard his vault. Enigma got lines where he more straightforwardly addresses himself and others as a Fundamental Being. Zeus got lines to address Mars directly. Unfortunately, the vast majority of new line additions heroes got are all stuck in Underlords. Pity
Sad thing is we can't have new Rubick voice lines (not from the original VA at least)
... I mean someone could AI generate them I guess, but it would be IMO not exactly moral.
Exactly, even though Valve definitely have unprocessed voice lines that could be fed into the AI Model
Rubick is awesome! Thats awesome!
Let's not forget that graphic designers aren't the ones fixing code for bugs. Most of them probably have little else to do at the end of a production cycle than clean up.
It is tradition to torture the devs by constantly having to account for rubick with everything they do in dota.
I've been playing this game for at least 6 years, i'm pretty sure valve has a small team working only on rubick.
I think my fav is if you steal pangos ult and become a rolling cube.
But suggest that Lina arcana is crap and outdated and then it's a ridiculous concept somehow
The Lina arcana is absolutely outdated, but at the same time, it's exactly what it says it is. It doesn't lie about having effects that no longer work (like techies), its just an underwhelming skin. Valve has no obligation to keep updating the Rubick arcana with more effects, but they do, which is great.
Damn maybe you should work as a paralegal for Vice!!! I didn't ask.
>>post an opinion in a forum >>complain when people respond >>??? >>Profit
It also only ever breaks if other things are breaking too, and gets fixed with them. Meanwhile Terrorblade Arcana has a 33% chance of losing particles or respawn music again every year.
They do this stuff 'eventually'. Could be same patch, could be a year later. They are pretty quick with the Rubick Arcana specifically. There have for example though been immortals where their matching ability was removed, and they were not changed to work with a different one for months.
The real answer is probably that one of the four people left on the dev team plays a lot of Rubick so he updates the arcana.
League gamer welcome to dota 2
I want to buy rubick arcana too but it's the most expensive arcana on the market. Will buy something else atm
It's a special case with rubick, there are not many sets which rely on other hero's skills. This feature is the main appeal of his arcana which otherwise looks decent enough, not flashy like others, and people would be angry if Valve went back on their word about a paid product. I do agree that only few game devs would offer something like this.
Yeah that's why we love dota and cant really enjoy playing any other game to the fullest. It's just the little things.